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Speaker 1: Trigger warning.

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Speaker 2: This episode discusses sexual abuse. Viewer discretion is advised. If

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Speaker 2: you or someone you know is experiencing sexual abuse, please

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Speaker 2: call the National Sexual Assault Hotline at one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this episode of Keep It Positive. Sweetie.

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Speaker 1: I'm CHRISTOPHINEE. Hazlet, and today.

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Speaker 3: I have with me none other than Nonah Jonesnonah girl,

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: To have you.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, Oh my gosh. The first time I ever saw

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Speaker 3: you with the Changed Church last year you preached and

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Speaker 3: I was just like, man, this woman is powerful. Just

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Speaker 3: to hear a snippet of your story, I was just like,

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Speaker 3: oh my goodness. So when they tell me we were

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Speaker 3: having you on.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. I'm so exciting. Your

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Speaker 1: energy is just lovely.

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Speaker 5: I'm just glad to be here and in the fact

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Speaker 5: that we have so much in common, girl, trying to

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Speaker 5: get these natural.

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Speaker 4: Ashes to get it together.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I like to start with a quote or a song,

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Speaker 3: and when I think of you, I think of the

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Speaker 3: Scripture two Corinthians twelve nine. My grace is sufficient for

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Speaker 3: these m for my strength is made perfect in weakness,

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Speaker 3: most gladly. Therefore, I will rather glory in my infirmities,

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Speaker 3: that the power Christ may rest upon me. And we'll

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Speaker 3: get to why I think of you.

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Speaker 1: When I when I read this scripture later on.

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Speaker 3: But yes, so let's talk about Nona Nnah. You are

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Speaker 3: a rare combination of preacher, business executive, author, and entrepreneur.

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Speaker 3: You serve as chief Content and Partnerships Officer of You Version,

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Speaker 3: which I.

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Speaker 1: Wake up to every morning. That's crazy to know that

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Speaker 1: you're behind that. I was like, this is so cool.

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Speaker 3: Yes, leading a global team, and you have served as

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Speaker 3: the head of Global Faith Partnerships at Meta, and you

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Speaker 3: serve on the boards of Christianity Today magazine.

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Speaker 1: Glue. Is it that pronounced it right right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, a tech company that is building a first of

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Speaker 3: its kind platform to connect the entire ecosystem, serving and building.

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Speaker 1: The body of Christ. Yeah. Wow, that is amazing.

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Speaker 4: God is good.

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Speaker 1: He is so good.

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Speaker 3: So just tell me a little bit about young knowing

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Speaker 3: the like, where did you come from? We wanna know

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Speaker 3: all the things you know.

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Speaker 5: It's funny when you gave that scripture at the beginning

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Speaker 5: about God's strength being made perfect in weakness. Like I

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Speaker 5: think people walk into the successful chapter that your life

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Speaker 5: is on and they just assume that's the whole story.

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Speaker 1: MM.

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Speaker 5: So looking at me now, it's like, oh, she musta

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Speaker 5: had a great upbringing. All this stuff, well, well mm.

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Speaker 5: I was born to a mom who didn't even want

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Speaker 5: been married for like thirteen years when she got pregnant

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Speaker 5: to make matters worse, halfway through her pregnancy, she started

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Speaker 5: And that's why every time I even share my story,

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Speaker 5: weren't at a church going family. I didn't know anything

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Speaker 5: At the age of eleven, I tried again and that

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Speaker 5: And I will never forget My home life was so

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Speaker 5: And I remember when I heard that, I was like, well,

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Speaker 5: And if God is a father to the fatherless, well

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Speaker 5: And that put me on the path to learning more

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Speaker 5: Became a Christian at the age of twelve, and the

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Speaker 5: So that is the million dollar question because what I

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Speaker 5: like we'll celebrate twenty years in June, which is awesome,

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Speaker 5: But there were seasons in my marriage where my husband

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Speaker 5: But I thank God for victory.

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Speaker 4: I thank God victory is possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true.

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Speaker 3: In that moment, and during that time when you were

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Speaker 3: even with your husband, was there a moment where you said,

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Speaker 3: I need to seek help.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking because I know a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: I've heard people say I got Jesus, I don't need therapy.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no. A therapy is a gift that

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Speaker 5: God has given to us because it is a tool

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it took a while.

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Speaker 5: Though it took a while for me to seek therapy

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Speaker 1: So I've forgiven her.

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Speaker 5: She did out of her hurt, her own ignorance, her

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Speaker 3: life until either you had a good foundation, yes, or.

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Speaker 1: A bad one. Then you're like, wait a minute, I

444
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Speaker 1: gotta rethink some things, you know what.

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Speaker 5: It's like you said something at the very beginning of

446
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Speaker 5: your comment that I think is important, which is you

447
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Speaker 5: had never heard of mother womb. Never because we assume

448
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Speaker 5: that's impossible, right like, because our our mother, like that's

449
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Speaker 5: our source of light, right Like, we would not be

450
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Speaker 5: here had it not been for our mother. And so

451
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Speaker 5: the idea that that primary caregiver would wound us, it's

452
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Speaker 5: like almost inconceivable. But because it's inconceivable, I believe it

453
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Speaker 5: is so damaging, like father wands, Yes, they're damaging. Absolutely,

454
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Speaker 5: this idea that our father's like, oh you're not my child, Yeah,

455
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Speaker 5: that's damaging. But when your mother's she didn't want to

456
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Speaker 5: have chooses somebody else over you, when you're when you're

457
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Speaker 5: not good enough for your mother, like there is something

458
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Speaker 5: that happens there that is damaging.

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Speaker 4: I did a therapy session in December where I went.

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Speaker 5: Up to Ohio. It was like this three day sole

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Speaker 5: care intensive really.

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Speaker 3: Powerful, and that sounds so good.

463
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Speaker 5: The psychologist didn't exercise where he took me back in

464
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Speaker 5: my mind's eye to an experience that happened to me.

465
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Speaker 4: When my mom. I was nine years old.

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Speaker 5: My mom and her boyfriend were arguing about something in

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Speaker 5: the living room. I didn't know what it was because

468
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Speaker 5: I was in my room reading. She called me out

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Speaker 5: to the living room and asked me a question. I

470
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Speaker 5: didn't have contact for the question, so I just answered it. Apparently,

471
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Speaker 5: I guess I answered it when her boyfriend did, I

472
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Speaker 5: don't know. She lunged at me started strangling me. I

473
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Speaker 5: started to lose consciousness. I don't even remember how it stopped,

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Speaker 5: but I remember getting up, running into my room, going

475
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Speaker 5: into the closet. I locked my bedroom door, I closed

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Speaker 5: the closet door. I remember sitting on a pile of

477
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Speaker 5: dirty clothes next to the hamper, crying myself to sleep. Psychologist,

478
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Speaker 5: I had not thought about that experience in decades. He

479
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Speaker 5: didn't exercise. Took me back to that moment, and what

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Speaker 5: I realized is that was the moment. That was literally

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Speaker 5: the moment when I became an entirely different person, because

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Speaker 5: that nine year old self, it's almost like I locked

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Speaker 5: her away because I was like, I can't be you,

484
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Speaker 5: I can't be vulnerable, I can't trust anybody. And so

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Speaker 5: there was a part of me, like that part of

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Speaker 5: me that was able to just trust and be vulnerable,

487
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Speaker 5: that was in that closet still, and he had to

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Speaker 5: take me back to that, and he helped me realize

489
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Speaker 5: that wound was still there still. Everybody's like, oh, you're

490
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Speaker 5: so strong, you know, you're just unflappable. You can be

491
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Speaker 5: in conflict, high conflict situations and you're the coolest person

492
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Speaker 5: in the room. Well, it's because that nine year old

493
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Speaker 5: self was locked away. That part of me that was

494
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Speaker 5: vulnerable and free was locked away, and I didn't know it.

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Speaker 5: In the hands of my mom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the person.

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Speaker 4: Who gave me life, not to take my life.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there's no way to experience that and and be

499
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Speaker 5: the same. No, it's not after that, But I never

500
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Speaker 5: I never connected the dots m and anything changed I

501
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Speaker 5: just thought life went on. Oh no, life doesn't go

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Speaker 5: on after things like that.

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Speaker 1: Mm mm, it doesn't need change.

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Speaker 3: You do. And it's crazy you said that he took

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Speaker 3: you back. That's the same thing my therapist did when

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Speaker 3: we started just trying to break down, like why I

507
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Speaker 3: am the way I am and figuring out where these

508
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Speaker 3: behaviors come from. And as I started to unpack it,

509
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Speaker 3: like it goes all the way back to childhood, and

510
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my goodness, and the things that

511
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Speaker 3: we remember that we've suppressed, they come back so vividly,

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Speaker 3: like you remember every instance. And it's like sometimes the

513
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Speaker 3: people who did it don't remember.

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Speaker 1: They're like they're like oblivious.

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Speaker 4: To me, and they blame you for it, like why

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Speaker 4: are you bringing that up?

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Speaker 5: I didn't do that?

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Speaker 1: Literally what you talk about? What would you say it?

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Speaker 3: Like, Okay, I'm crazy and you're like, why would I

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Speaker 3: make this up?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yes, that's so true.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. So through all of that, Nonna, what

523
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Speaker 3: led you to ministry? Because you are the founder of

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Speaker 3: Nona Jones Ministry, you and your husband lead the Open

525
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Speaker 3: Door Church. What led you to, like I know at

526
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Speaker 3: the age of eleven, is when you got into church

527
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Speaker 3: and you started studying for yourself. But what made you say,

528
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Speaker 3: I want to dive deeper and spread this to the world.

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Speaker 5: Well, what was funny is it was never my plan wow,

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Speaker 5: to like be a preacher, travel.

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Speaker 1: Any of that.

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Speaker 5: What essentially happened was so at the age of seventeen,

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Speaker 5: I was licensed into ministry. That was the service that

534
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Speaker 5: my mom came and brought a boyfriend to. I knew

535
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Speaker 5: that I had a call to teach, Like I knew

536
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Speaker 5: I had a call to.

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Speaker 4: Teach the Bible.

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Speaker 5: I loved that, and so at the age of seventeen,

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Speaker 5: I got licensed in the ministry. Now I thought I

540
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Speaker 5: would just maybe teach like youth Bible studies, or maybe

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Speaker 5: like once a year maybe preach for the church or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But fast forward to I think this was maybe twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: So I'm working for the company formally known as Facebook,

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Speaker 5: and as the head of faith Partnerships. I would get

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Speaker 5: invited to speak at like church conferences, like church technology conferences,

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Speaker 5: and I would go and I would speak about how

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Speaker 5: to use technology for ministry. But the thing about me

548
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Speaker 5: is I only know one way to talk in those

549
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Speaker 5: settings because I am a preacher, and so I would

550
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Speaker 5: literally be like and the technology, the algorithm sat like

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Speaker 5: some people would be in there, like.

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Speaker 1: Right, technology, Yes, so.

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Speaker 5: I would have so pastor would be in the audience.

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Speaker 5: Like different churches, and so people like, We'll start just

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Speaker 5: inviting me to speak at like conferences or even speaking

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Speaker 5: at their weekend service or something like you need to

557
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Speaker 5: come to church, like okay, And so I just kind

558
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Speaker 5: of did it, and then I just started to get

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Speaker 5: more and more invitations to do that. But again it

560
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Speaker 5: was never my thought. As a matter of fact, at

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Speaker 5: my own church. I really wasn't even speaking at my

562
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Speaker 5: own church because at that point I was on a

563
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Speaker 5: corporate track. I was senior executive and different companies and things,

564
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Speaker 5: and so I wasn't around here like you know, I'm

565
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Speaker 5: gonna preach and i'ma God just started to open the doors.

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Speaker 5: And even now I look if I'm amazed, I'm like, Lord,

567
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Speaker 5: what is this? But one thing God told me, and

568
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Speaker 5: this was at the end of twenty twenty three, so

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Speaker 5: I'm still on the team at you version, but God

570
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Speaker 5: actually had me step down from my role because he said,

571
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Speaker 5: I have called you to be a light in dark places.

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Speaker 5: He said, the Bible app is a light and lip places.

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Speaker 5: I have called you to be a light in dark places.

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Speaker 5: And it's suddenly all means sense where it was like,

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Speaker 5: oh wait, So all this time I've been in leadership

576
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Speaker 5: in these companies where I've been bringing the witness of

577
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Speaker 5: Jesus into boardrooms, I've been bringing the witness of Jesus

578
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Speaker 5: into spaces where he not he would not normally be,

579
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Speaker 5: And it's like, oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: It's like, so I.

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Speaker 5: Am literally bringing the witness of Jesus in places where

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Speaker 5: people don't expect him to be. That's the calling all

583
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: my life, and so I love that I get to

584
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Speaker 5: preach and teach and do all these things, and at

585
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Speaker 5: the same time, I'm also bringing the witness of Jesus

586
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Speaker 5: into the workplace, into business conferences, into leadership spaces.

587
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Speaker 4: I'm speaking at a conference tomorrow.

588
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: In Texas, which is like a group of like business women,

589
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: executive women, entrepreneurs, where I'm going to be talking about

590
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Speaker 5: the light and the hope of Jesus. You know, I'm

591
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Speaker 5: going to be talking about business strategy and all that.

592
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Speaker 1: But I love how you can I love this ex Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So that's how it happened.

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Speaker 5: The algorithm algorithm yes, you need to post this time.

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Speaker 1: Next time.

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Speaker 4: If we turn to Instagram, yes, girl, yes we need.

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Speaker 1: That is too funny. Oh my goodness. Well one of

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Speaker 1: your mini titles.

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Speaker 3: You're an author and you have written three other books,

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Speaker 3: killing comparison, success from the inside Out and from social

601
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Speaker 3: Media to ministry the globally acclaimed God to digital discipleship

602
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Speaker 3: for churches. At the top of the year, everyone is

603
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Speaker 3: trying to clear their slate, and they have all these

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Speaker 3: different goals that they want to do.

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Speaker 1: These three books.

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Speaker 3: I would recommend everybody's really for sure, But can you

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Speaker 3: tell why each of the books will be helpful for

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Speaker 3: their twenty twenty four sure?

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Speaker 4: So successful me inside Out?

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Speaker 5: I wrote that that's my memoirk So, I'm just sharing

611
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Speaker 5: my story who I am, how I became.

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Speaker 4: Who I am? So I talk about the trauma.

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Speaker 5: I talk about the role that forgiveness has played because

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Speaker 5: the really what kind of catalyzed that book is I

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Speaker 5: At the time, I was working in politics, really and yep,

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Speaker 5: I was leading.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of commons. I worked on the hill.

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Speaker 1: That was my first job for the Senate. Yeah we

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Speaker 1: got we got a whole, Yeah we got a girl. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As you're talking like.

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Speaker 5: I was at I was at This was under the

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Speaker 5: Obama administration. I was at a White House function and

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Speaker 5: there's all these like influential people there, and I remember

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Speaker 5: I was I was in the room and the President

626
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Speaker 5: first lady were over there, and I was looking at

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Speaker 5: all these people, and I had this thought. I was like,

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Speaker 5: I should feel like I've arrived, but I should feel

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Speaker 5: like like full. I feel empty. And I was like,

630
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Speaker 5: if this is all there is, Lord, is this all

631
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Speaker 5: there is? A success is just being in a room

632
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Speaker 5: where everyone knows of you, but nobody knows you. And

633
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Speaker 5: so I went back to my hotel room that night

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Speaker 5: I prayed. And that's where success from the inside out

635
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 5: came from, because I opened up the Bible and I

636
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: went to Joshua chapter one, and the Book of Deuteronomy

637
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Speaker 5: ends where Moses dies.

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Speaker 1: I literally just finished rhym this morning promise.

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Speaker 5: You come on spirits, come on now, dwell. It's one

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Speaker 5: of my favorite book Joshua one. What happens is, so

641
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Speaker 5: Moses dies, Joshua becomes the leader of the children. Real

642
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: God basically pulls Joshua to the side to give him

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Speaker 5: some instruction for how to lead them in a way

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Speaker 5: that would be successful.

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00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: And then Joshua one to eight.

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Speaker 5: God tells Joshua, he says, meditate in the law day

647
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Speaker 5: and night. Observe to do all that is written in it.

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00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: Then you will make your way prosperous and you will

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Speaker 5: have good success. When I read that, the idea of

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Speaker 5: good success was so paradoxical to me because we think

651
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 5: success is good by definition, yes, right, yes, But what

652
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 5: God helped me to realize is there is a success

653
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Speaker 5: that isn't good because you can talk about it, check

654
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Speaker 5: all the boxes and be overwhelmed, be depressed, isolated, right, No, seriously,

655
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Speaker 5: but like everybody's looking at you.

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Speaker 4: And they're like, that's what I want.

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Speaker 1: You don't want this what you tell me days you

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Speaker 1: see the anxious.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I am so like I had to literally

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Speaker 3: tell even this morning, breathe, thank you Guy for this breath,

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Speaker 3: thank you God for this day, not asking for anything,

662
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Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you, and then like just

663
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: get dived in the word. And when I say so

664
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: much peace came over me. I was like, okay, yes,

665
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: and literally God was telling Joshua, yeah at the end

666
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: of dude around me going into it.

667
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, my goodness. Okay, this is what

668
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: I have to do.

669
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: There is a success that isn't good. But when God

670
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: said meditating the law, do what it says, he said,

671
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: you will make your way prosperous and you will have

672
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 5: good success. So the idea that if you do what

673
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 5: the word of God says, that you won't even have

674
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 5: to be like Lord, I hope that you'll favor this,

675
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 5: you'll make.

676
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: Your way prosperous because that becomes the guardrail.

677
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 5: And so I rode success from the inside out because

678
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: I was like Lord, I want good success. Yeah, and

679
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: I realized success begins within, like there is nothing you

680
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: can accumulate around you. Yeah, that will fill a deficit

681
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: within you. Yeah, and so you can have all the

682
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 5: stuff mm hm, cards glo.

683
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel anything as soon as you buy it

684
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: two days listen.

685
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: It's true though, And.

686
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 5: And you know, having worked for the world's largest social

687
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 5: media company, I do have to say this. We end

688
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: up comparing our reality to other people's fiction, like.

689
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: Say that again. I just called it, and then it

690
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: hit me. We compare to.

691
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 5: Other people's fiction, like people make these posts that they're

692
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 5: just so happy and everything's so great and so then

693
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: we look at that and we're like, that's what I want.

694
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 5: What you don't realize is they are depressed. They are

695
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 5: stressed out.

696
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: Girl.

697
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 5: I remember one time there was a girl, this was

698
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 5: years ago. I used to follow her account. I admired

699
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 5: her because she was always like fashion, she was doing

700
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: the thing, and so somehow I got in touch with

701
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 5: her one day because she was always wearing like the

702
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: high fashion expensive.

703
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

704
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: I got in touch with her because I was doing

705
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 5: a conference. I wanted her to speak at it. This

706
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 5: girl was like, oh, you know, I'd love to do it.

707
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 5: But I actually got a victied from my apartment and

708
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: I'm staying with a friend. That morning, she had posted

709
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 5: a picture of herself showing the red bottom hills, the

710
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: Chanel badness, that and the other, and I it's like,

711
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 5: it's like.

712
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: The veil fell from my eyes.

713
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: I said, oh wait, people can post what isn't even.

714
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: Real, honey. People will post in fake houses.

715
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: We learn a lot, not abb Airbnb with a mattress

716
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: on the floor.

717
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, but you was just in Milan. The math

718
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: is not mathing and.

719
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: You literally are looking like, oh my god, I want

720
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: her life. She is living a life, not knowing she's

721
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: sleeping on the floor.

722
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 5: I want a situation where cause you know how people

723
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: slide into u DM a situation the way now, God

724
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: one of the people sliding from a DMS, and I

725
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 5: am one of those people. I might look I'm married,

726
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: Like I don't get that right. But he started to

727
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 5: talk about his wife, how he was leaving his wife,

728
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: and it like pequed my interest because I was like really,

729
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: I was like, well why.

730
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 4: I was like why.

731
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 5: He was like, wait, no, she's just I'm just not

732
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 5: happy and things just started working out or whatever. And

733
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 5: I was like interesting. I was like, well, have you

734
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: talked to her about the problems? And he said he

735
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 5: had and they but they weren't going to therapy because whatever.

736
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: At the same time that he's saying this, he's posting

737
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 5: woman crushed Wednesday of her Yes, And so I'm sitting

738
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 5: here and I'm just like, the reason why I bring

739
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: that up is because again, we feel this pressure to

740
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 5: live up to a line we do.

741
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: It's like no, no, so success begins with it.

742
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I remember this so good.

743
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 5: No killing comparison came out of a similar situation where

744
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: one day this was back in twenty twenty, I had

745
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 5: a full calendar of speaking engagements, you know, two books

746
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: coming out, and everything got canceled, of course because of

747
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 5: the pandemic, right, And I went on to Instagram one

748
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: day and this was when everything was canceled. All my

749
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 5: events were canceled. Went on to Instagram and a friend

750
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: of mine made a post that she was speaking at

751
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 5: this huge virtual women's conference. There's will be tens of

752
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: thousands of women. And I saw the posts and I

753
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, that sounds really cool. Why scroll down

754
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: a little bit more. There was another friend who said

755
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: that she would be also speaking at this huge virtual

756
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 5: one's conference, and I was like okay, scrolling down a

757
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 5: little more, there was another friend speaking at it. Oh wow,

758
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 5: and another friend.

759
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, everybody speaking of this, but be

760
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: why am I not there? Did you hear me?

761
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 5: So I started clicking on their profile because I was like, well,

762
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: how many followers they have a comparison to me?

763
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

764
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: Like I started to click on their websites. Where else

765
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: are they speaking at in comparison to me? I want

766
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: to know why I wasn't invited.

767
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: I was like, at my business and get off my

768
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 3: street and get off my couch actually, cause I don't

769
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: like you attacking me like this, cause I'm guilty.

770
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I am guilty. God, I don't like my business. Though.

771
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to know.

772
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 5: I was like, why was she invited? Why was I

773
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 5: not invited? Why was I overlooked?

774
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: As I was.

775
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 5: Asking all these why questions, I heard the Holy Spirit say, Nonah,

776
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 5: why does it matter?

777
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Why does it matter? I'm guilty. I'm just being honest.

778
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I've done that. How she get that way?

779
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: What house?

780
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: It was like, Lord, but I it doesn't matter, it

781
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.

782
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: And then he says, look look around, why does it matter?

783
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: Right, you're right, But but that idea of toxic comparison

784
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 5: where I see somebody else's win as my loss, I

785
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 5: see somebody else's success is my failure.

786
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: God helped me to see.

787
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: In that season that I was insecure and if you

788
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: would have told me back then in twenty twenty that.

789
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 5: I was like, no, ma'am, I said, do you see

790
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: what I've done, what I've accomplished? Do you see what

791
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 5: I have? And God was like, you can be the

792
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: most handsome, the most beautiful, the most popular, the most wealthy.

793
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: You can be the most powerful person.

794
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: On earth and still be insecure. Yeah, because security is

795
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: not a function of your self esteem. It's a question

796
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 5: of what your identity is secured to, that.

797
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: Is it.

798
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 5: And if it's secure to anything that is subject to

799
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 5: other people's approval, opinions, evaluation, or assessment, you'll be insecure

800
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 5: because people's opinions change.

801
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: Like the current of the sea.

802
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: You are so my lord, you are on my street,

803
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: as PD says, you have.

804
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: My business you came from.

805
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: But that's so good, and that's so true because so

806
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: often it doesn't matter who you are, it's just human

807
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: nature too. At some point kind of be like, well,

808
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: how is that happening for them and not for me?

809
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: You know?

810
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: And I have to check myself and I and I

811
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: always remind myself God has blessed me beyond measure and

812
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: everything I've asked for.

813
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: He's like literally blow my mind.

814
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: And when I've allowed him to leave me and just

815
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: take the l the lead, it's more than I could.

816
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: Have ever imagined, you know.

817
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: And I always try to be cognizant in a way

818
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: to make sure that that comparison doesn't turn into jealousy

819
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: and envy, because that's when it gets dangerous. Yeah, Yeah,

820
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: that's when it gets dangerous.

821
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 5: Well, and it if it's it's one of those things

822
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: where we have to guard against it. Like there's never

823
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: gonna be a point where you're just gonna be like

824
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: I'm getting so happy for everybody that has more than me.

825
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 4: It's so great, Like you're never gonna be there.

826
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 5: But what I had to learn to do, and I

827
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 5: kind of outlined the process in Killing Comparison, is I've

828
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 5: had to learn to celebrate other success. Yes, like actually celebrated.

829
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 5: The through line in that book is you know, we

830
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 5: all know about Saul and David, Yes, right, how Saul

831
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 5: was jealous of David and all that, But there's actually

832
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: a third person in that story that never gets talked

833
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 5: about MM.

834
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: And that Saw's son Jonathan. Oh wow, sol King of Israel.

835
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: David, this young shepherd boy Jonathan is next in line

836
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: to be king. What we know is that Saul's jealousy

837
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: of David was triggered because when they both returned to

838
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 5: town from a battle, the people were like, Saul has

839
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 5: slain his thousands and David his tens of thousands, and

840
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: so it says from that moment on Saw eyed David.

841
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: He became jealous. Jonathan overhears the exact same song, like

842
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 5: he's in the exact same vicinity instead of as the

843
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 5: next in line to be king, him becoming jealous of David.

844
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 5: He walks over to David, gives him his weapons and

845
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 5: his robe. This is the guy who's next in line

846
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: to be King Herry. The people celebrate this guy. He

847
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: becomes David's best friend, his champion, his defender. Yeah, but

848
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 5: what I realized is that although not a lot of

849
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: said about Jonathan, Jonathan knew God for real. Like if

850
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: you read First Samuel fourteen and six, I think it

851
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: is he goes and fights a contingent of Philistines by himself,

852
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 5: and he says this. He says, nothing can hinder the

853
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: Lord from saving, whether by many or by few. So

854
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: he wasn't intimidated by people celebration of David, and he

855
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 5: celebrated them too. He's like, go forth, because if God

856
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 5: is for you, who can be against you? And we

857
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 5: have to have that mentality.

858
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it is so true.

859
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: One thing that I tell all my friends, like when

860
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: you see something happening for someone else's platform, especially like

861
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: if like say we're friends, we're friends now and I

862
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: see something amazing happening for you. I'm in your neighborhood.

863
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 3: You know it sounds like the past. Ever we both

864
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: got the he ain't gonna pass me by.

865
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: No, you know what I'm saying. You right there, I

866
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: know if you got it, it's coming next to me.

867
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, I'm asking God for it may not

868
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: look the same, but a lot of times in friendships

869
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: we can be like, h right, you think she thinks

870
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: all that?

871
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 5: You think she all that.

872
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing.

873
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 5: So I look at it like when I see someone succeeding. Yes,

874
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: I see that as a receipt for what's possible for me.

875
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: Amen, that's It's a word she got Okay, so it's possible.

876
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: For her.

877
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 5: And who I don't lose anything. True story. Two weeks

878
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 5: before Killing Comparison was supposed to come out. This was

879
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, a friend of mine was releasing

880
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 5: a book. She was on all the major news outlets,

881
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 5: Today's show, Good Morning America, in SNBC, all these things.

882
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Speaker 5: People were talking about her book all over social media,

883
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 5: and the enemy started to say, see anybody gonna buy

884
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: your book, nobody's gonna have you on their programs. Look

885
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 5: at she getting on the shond. Don't nobody care about you?

886
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: This, that, and the other.

887
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: I went over to my computer. I went to Amazon.

888
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: I bought her book. Yes, I went over.

889
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: To my bed.

890
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: I pulled a pillow off the bed.

891
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: I melt on it. I prayed in arnest for her.

892
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 5: I said, God, bless her. I want you to exceed

893
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 5: her expectations below her mind. Take this message to the

894
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: far corners of the earth. I got up off the pillow.

895
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: I texted her, my sister, I am so excited for

896
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 5: what God is doing. I am praying for you. I

897
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 5: am rooting for you. When I hit send on that message,

898
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: I said, take that devil, because.

899
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: You are not over here.

900
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: Thinking that somehow her Win is my loss, Like there's

901
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 5: only so much attention that can be given to something.

902
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 5: I was like, if God is for me, I know

903
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 5: that I will be fine. Two days later, my publisher

904
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Speaker 5: reaches out.

905
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 4: And was like, oh, yeah, good morning America.

906
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 5: It's an interview Jesus.

907
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: And what God told me in.

908
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 5: That moment is he said, this is not about you.

909
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 5: This is about you understanding that if I can trust you,

910
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 5: there is no limit to where I will take you.

911
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: You heard at the door that that that.

912
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 5: If I can trust you, I can trust you, there's

913
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 5: no limits where I will take you.

914
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: Oh you are blessing my soul this morn. My goodness, Oh,

915
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: my goodness. We talk about social media and how we're

916
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: always comparing ourselves, but we also share a lot on

917
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: social media. You share your family, your fitness, your health, regimen, skincare,

918
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: all the things. Something that I struggle with is, you know,

919
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: opening up more on social media. I'm super private. I

920
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: try to give them just enough, just a taste to

921
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: make that to make them feel.

922
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: Like they're a part of my world. Just a teasphone.

923
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: That's why we had a teasphone, not a full table,

924
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: just a little bit.

925
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: But what would be some of your advice just to

926
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: kind of help manage that and balance that, because it

927
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: can be such a cold world with the comments and

928
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 3: people having an opinion about everything, and you're just trying

929
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: to share your light and just inspire people through your life.

930
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm trying to do.

931
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: Even from I post my workouts and I post what

932
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm eating, just so I can see, oh she's eating healthy.

933
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Let me let me put this cheese wrger down and

934
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: go get us something you know, but how do you

935
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: manage that?

936
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: And what kind of advice would you give for me

937
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: and other young women who are on social media and

938
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: want to share more but are a little reluctant.

939
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think you're being wise. First of all,

940
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 5: you're being very wise because you're being intentional about what

941
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: you're sharing, like you're trying to inspire people, which I

942
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: think is beautiful. Yes, people are people on social media,

943
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 5: all right?

944
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: Do you?

945
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 5: Of course? Girl, let me not post a clip of

946
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 5: me preaching, because here come the first Timothy's.

947
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: I suffer not.

948
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 5: Woman to preach like, y'all, this is my like, my platform.

949
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Why are you here?

950
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 5: You know what I do? But anyway, Yeah, people are

951
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: people everywhere, and so you're gonna have some people who

952
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 5: are like, oh she thinks she is that.

953
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: It's like whatever. I think just having having a heart

954
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 4: to inspire is great.

955
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: One of the things that God has convicted me about

956
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: is what I'm posting. Where is the glory going? So okay,

957
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 5: when I post this, is the glory.

958
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: Coming to me? Or is it going to God?

959
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 5: Perfect example, I forget which book it was, I might've

960
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 5: been killing comparison, my publisher told me that it got

961
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: put in target, which is apparent really hard for like spiritual.

962
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Books, whatever.

963
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: And so I made a post about it, and like

964
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 5: ten minutes after I've made that post, God said take

965
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 5: it down. And I was like why And God said,

966
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 5: because your heart was to draw attention to yourself, like

967
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Speaker 5: look at me as opposed to what I had done.

968
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

969
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 5: And so I would give that as just a principle

970
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 5: the heart, like the heart.

971
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: Posture matters.

972
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 5: And so the question is, what's the goal is to

973
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 5: inspire other people? And here's a reality. Some people are

974
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 5: going to have a problem about what you do, right

975
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 5: because that's their heart. Like social media, I think social

976
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 5: media exposes insecurity, but it's not the source of it.

977
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 5: Because two people can look at your posts working out.

978
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 5: One person could be like I'm going to the gym,

979
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 5: another person like, oh she thinks she's fine.

980
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I mean work like it's always something.

981
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say to have that heart, the heart

982
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: to inspire, the heart, to encourage, and just guard it

983
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 5: because that platform is a ministry. Yes, there are people

984
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: who are watching, there are people who will read into things,

985
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: and so yeah, I would say, don't don't share it all,

986
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 5: don't share it all.

987
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: But you're doing fine, Okay.

988
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: I think now that I have you here, something that

989
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: I struggle with just as an actor. And I've talked

990
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: to PD and passive Shmik about this, just being an

991
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: actor and the characters that I portray and who I

992
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: am in real life, and then wondering if I do

993
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: struggle with wondering if acting and the characters that I

994
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: play are pleasing in God's eyes or if he's judging

995
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: me for the character that I'm playing and who I am,

996
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: or if it's the same thing. And You're like, you

997
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't even be doing that because you're my child. And

998
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: then a part of me is like, but that's like

999
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: I'm portraying something that really happens, you.

1000
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. And I don't know if I'm making.

1001
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: Any excuse, but I'm like, really, I struggle with that,

1002
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: and you know, my family is super supportive, but also struggling,

1003
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: like God is just pleasing in your eyes and when

1004
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: the right thing, and so I just want to get

1005
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: some insight on it.

1006
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: How do you feel?

1007
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 5: So this may be controversial, but the way that I've

1008
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 5: learned to live my life is that when I have

1009
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 5: the question.

1010
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: That is the answer.

1011
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

1012
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: The question, it's because there is something on the inside

1013
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 5: of me. That's like, that's where the question comes from.

1014
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: Because if there's alignment, don't even have a question. It's

1015
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 5: like we're good. So it's something to just lean into.

1016
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, okay, I have this question. There's something

1017
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: there is there a change I need to make. Is

1018
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 5: there something that I need to tweak, like so that

1019
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: I can be in alignment?

1020
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: Because once the question is answered.

1021
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: You will have perfect pieces.

1022
00:49:52,600 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so good, I know the Lord, Like

1023
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: it's like I feel like it's like like you bless

1024
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: me with my dream and what I wanted to do.

1025
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: But now it's like as I'm on this walk and

1026
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 3: trying to I really I'm trying to bring people people

1027
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: closer to God. You know, in the dark place, you know,

1028
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 3: social media is a dark place. Acting is in Hollywood

1029
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: is a dark place, you know.

1030
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: But that's where I think also discermin is. It's like, Lord,

1031
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 5: that's where I said, what's a tweak? I can think

1032
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 5: because you darkness, we are called to be light in

1033
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 5: dark places, Like I think many times we get so

1034
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 5: comfortable in light.

1035
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but light don't need light, don't darkness.

1036
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: So it's like, all right, Lord, how do I how

1037
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: do I carry light into this dark place so that

1038
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: it's not extinguished? What do I need to do again?

1039
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 5: Is there a tweak I need to make? Is there

1040
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 5: a change I need to make? How do I make

1041
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: sure that I am set apart so that people are

1042
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 5: drawn to me? So I'm not common, I'm not familiar,

1043
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 5: I'm not just another one of those. It's like, oh no,

1044
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 5: we need to go talk to Crystal because like you

1045
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: can tell the difference. Yeah, I'm figuring out what that is,

1046
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: and the discernment of God will will make it clear.

1047
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1048
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 6: I Because the other thing is that there would the

1049
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 6: platform that you received as an actor afforded you this ministry.

1050
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Wow, you're right because I'm bringing everybody.

1051
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's kind of what we were talking about.

1052
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: Who was on the couch pretty big when she was here.

1053
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: I said, I see that God is bringing like a

1054
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: lot of people that he has like risen to a

1055
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: high platform back to Jesus. Like it's almost like he's like,

1056
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use you for this. You're gonna this is

1057
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: what we're gonna use to get to bring people to

1058
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: me and like they're denouncing what they were, Like, who's

1059
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: the big singer Latin singer, rapper that just gave his

1060
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: life to Christ and he's not singing anymore.

1061
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: Daddy Yankee, daddy Yankee. Like I see things.

1062
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: Like that, saw her witchcraft and that stuff, and she's

1063
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: she's team Jesus now amazing.

1064
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: But it happens because of intention.

1065
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 5: Like I think that's why this conversation is good, because

1066
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 5: it's like, all right, Lord, you've given me this platform

1067
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 5: to be a witness for you.

1068
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, why you do it? That's our words.

1069
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 5: Because what happened is I've seen this happen too. This

1070
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 5: maybe controversial as well. We pray for things, we're like

1071
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: I just want to I want to give God the glory.

1072
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 5: Then we get the platform and we become darkness.

1073
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: Yes, oh no, no, that happens.

1074
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 7: Also start worshiping the platform more than they do.

1075
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: The provider on the plat platform.

1076
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 5: That's like, how do I keep the platform? It's like, well,

1077
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: if it's his, it's for you to keep.

1078
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: I was literally making my bed this morning and I

1079
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: don't that's because I had just finished reading, so like

1080
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit was talking to me and guy said,

1081
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: you continue to talk to me and talk about me

1082
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 3: and spread my word, and I would draw all men

1083
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: noneto and I.

1084
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: Would put my pillow. I said. I was like, if

1085
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: anybody dies telling her to be like, is she okay?

1086
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Like y'all literally like yelled. I was like, ooh, okay.

1087
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: I felt that because sometimes you feel like okay, I

1088
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: gotta keep this like cool. I gotta make it cool

1089
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: so people will still want to, you know, tune in.

1090
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: How can I still be me and praise Jesus at

1091
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: the same time. And it's like, you know, I'm I'm

1092
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: just being honest and transparent. Like I struggle with that

1093
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: because there are things I'm working on my mouth, I curse,

1094
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: you know. I was doing a live with my friend

1095
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 3: the other day, and you know how like when you're

1096
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: with your friends, like you might get another piece of

1097
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: side that you might get on here. And she was like,

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Speaker 3: should delict that? I said yeah, because I was saying

1099
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: bro niggas a lot. I was like, that is not

1100
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: of God, and I was like listen. I said, that's

1101
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: why I didn't collaborate with you, because I said that

1102
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: is not on brand and I need to work on it.

1103
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: And so let me work on how I talk to

1104
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: my friends too, you know, so that like it's not

1105
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: a switch, you know, just being turned a fan, But

1106
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: I do, I struggle with it, and and I do.

1107
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: I know my heart pasture is for God and I

1108
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: want to give him the glory and but being caught

1109
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: up in two worlds trying to find that balance. But

1110
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: that was good in Aura, that acting created this platform

1111
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: to give him the glory.

1112
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that this is the case for you,

1113
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 2: right because only you and God know what your acting

1114
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: journey is meant to be. But I think that in general,

1115
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: sometimes we're so attached to what but you made me

1116
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: an actor.

1117
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 7: You think that that is the destination?

1118
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for some that just might be a part.

1119
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: Of the journey, right, Like there might be just somebody

1120
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: that God says, I'm going to make you an actor

1121
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: so that you're on the number one cable television drama

1122
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: every week, so that millions of people come to you,

1123
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 2: and then when they come to you, all they see

1124
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: is a light of me.

1125
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: That that is so relevant because.

1126
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 5: I think, like I just said that God told me

1127
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 5: that I need to step away from the day to

1128
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 5: day at uversion because he called me to be a

1129
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 5: light in dark places. I got asked, So in a

1130
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: few weeks I'll be at the Black Enterprise Women of

1131
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 5: Power som Right, this is a business it's business women,

1132
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 5: women of Power, and they've asked me to preach a message, right.

1133
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 4: Why because I'm a business woman.

1134
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 5: Yes, Like they're not asking me because I'm a preacher.

1135
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 5: I'm a business woman who happens to be a preacher.

1136
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: Right.

1137
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 5: And so that platform created the opportunity to bring the

1138
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: witness of Jesus into that space. So I totally agree

1139
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 5: with you.

1140
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: I totally agree with you.

1141
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: There is something that God has done in that platform

1142
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 5: that he wants to use for his glory. Yes, and

1143
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 5: now it's just about discernment and be like, all right, Lord,

1144
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 5: how do I how do I do this? Yeah?

1145
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: We're in church Ard now, we're doing forty days a

1146
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: fast and we're in seek season. And it's funny because

1147
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: Pastor there has been clue were pre on Monday on

1148
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: Sunday and one of the part was one of the

1149
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 3: things he told us to do was to make sure

1150
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: that we let squads that are not for us die

1151
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: like the circle that you have around you. So he

1152
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: was like if somebody tried to come in and they

1153
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: not talking about what you're talking about telling Moses.

1154
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: Did like we're going where we going? You can't go,

1155
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: you know.

1156
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: So every time my friends would say somebody, she was

1157
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: like girl, because someone say, I said, girl, Moses is dead.

1158
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: I was like, they can't come where we're going. And

1159
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: it was crazy.

1160
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: We left church and my brother's in the car and

1161
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: he said, my keys. He said he had told one

1162
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: of his friends all the things that he was fasting from,

1163
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: and she was like, you're doing all that, Like that's

1164
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 3: a lot, Like you're giving up, you're doing too much.

1165
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, what you're fasting for? Between

1166
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: you and God?

1167
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: And I was like I said and he was like,

1168
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: you know what, You're right because I started second guessing

1169
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: what God had told me to give up, and I said,

1170
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: you can't do that. Literally, as we're having the conversation

1171
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: of our directors from the studio caused me. And he's

1172
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: known for writing really dark films and he's like, Chris Cross,

1173
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: that's what he caused me. What you're doing And I

1174
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 3: was like, nothing much, I said. Just leaving church, I said,

1175
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: he said, what do you what are y'all doing. I said,

1176
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: we're actually starting a fast today. He said, ooh, I

1177
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: need to do it with y'all. He said, God has

1178
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: been tugging at me. And he was like, I'm telling you,

1179
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 3: he said, I've had the worst week. He said, I'm

1180
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: so glad I called you. So what y'all giving up?

1181
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: And I said, well, whatever God puts on your heart.

1182
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm gonna do it with y'all.

1183
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: Send me the devotional I'm gonna do it. And I

1184
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: said that's the type of people you need in your squad,

1185
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: like people that are like instant.

1186
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 4: Like, ooh, I want to do it with you, not yes, you.

1187
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: Doing too much?

1188
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: See, And it was like and he literally mark he said,

1189
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: oh my God, he said the way God just like

1190
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: literally like affirmed what we were talking about.

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: In the middle of the conversation. We both looked up

1192
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: and said, oh, that's how.

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00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 5: You do it.

1194
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 7: You are bringing God into it.

1195
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: That was an I missed it. I missed it.

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 7: Wow.

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: There was another moment where I brought.

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Speaker 2: This a studio executive calling you and you're having a

1199
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: conversation about God and you're having a conversation about what

1200
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: God called you into and you are now having one

1201
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: individual fast because of a conversation that you had when

1202
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: he was calling you about something, because.

1203
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: He knows how God's going to work through that. Who

1204
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 5: knows what God's going to do. But because you stepped

1205
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 5: into that moment and you were not ashamed, because you

1206
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 5: could have easily been like.

1207
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we just a head and on.

1208
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: This is what we're doing.

1209
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: What we're doing.

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, yeah I've been having and I will say this,

1211
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 5: you know this.

1212
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: I'm not in Hollywood, but it's like, there's so much pain.

1213
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of wealth, there's a lot of notoriety.

1214
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much pain.

1215
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and people are trying.

1216
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 5: To fix that pain with things that will not fix it,

1217
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 5: whether it's drugs, excess whatever. You have the answer that, yeah,

1218
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: that's Jesus, Like you have the answer that everybody is

1219
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 5: looking for you.

1220
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: Yes.

1221
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 5: So God is literally sending you out as an emissary,

1222
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 5: as an ambassador, and the key is to represent him. Well,

1223
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 5: it's like what I want to represent you? Well, I

1224
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 5: don't want people to be like she's a christ Like.

1225
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1226
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 5: I want people to like, oh yeah, no, that she's

1227
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 5: she's a Christian.

1228
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: She's a follower of Jesus.

1229
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: Yes, that's the goals, Like, God give me wisdom.

1230
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: In these spaces. That was thank you do y'all really

1231
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: just like gave me so much peace and I know

1232
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: what I need to do. Yeah, I got it, you knew.

1233
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 5: I already knew. Yeah, so tell me what you think

1234
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 5: about why because you know, because you know, because you

1235
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 5: already know.

1236
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Speaker 1: That is so funny.

1237
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: I was having a conversation with someone else and I

1238
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: want to pick your brain by this as well.

1239
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: This is just like turned into like a open table talk.

1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 3: So I was actually having this conversation with Deval about

1241
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: different religions and as a Christian not judging people for

1242
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: what they believe in. And I had made a comment

1243
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: I said I dated a Muslim when I was in college,

1244
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: and my parents were like, you should not be unequally yoked.

1245
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: They started quoting scripture and I was young.

1246
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 3: I was like, oh whatever, But that was the one

1247
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: man probably to this day that like loved me the

1248
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: most and that I just felt so loved by. Right

1249
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 3: And when people ask me like, who is the one

1250
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: that you feel like just loved you the most, and

1251
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: I was like, it was Godhood. He was Muslim, and

1252
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: we didn't like when the conversation came up about having kids,

1253
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 3: It's like, are we gonna raise our kids Christians or Muslim?

1254
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: This is where the unequally yoke comes in and.

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: It's like like I didn't want to deal with it,

1256
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: so we ended up breaking up.

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: But just an amazing human being.

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01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: And when I started looking at different religions, I realized

1259
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: that most it's all I feel like it was put

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01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: in place for some type of structure in different regions,

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01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: but also the common goals to treat people right and

1262
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: most of them. And so I don't judge people for

1263
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 3: what they believe in. But I know what I believe in.

1264
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: I proclaim the name of Jesus Christ. I believe he

1265
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: died for our sins and roast and the dead. I

1266
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: believe all those things. But am I wrong for like

1267
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: as Christians? Like, cause some people are like very condemning,

1268
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: like you shouldn't like believe in. I just feel like

1269
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: what you believe in, what you believe in, that's not

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Speaker 3: my business. How do you feel about that?

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01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I believe that our job is to be

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 5: a witness for Jesus. Yeah, And so what that means

1273
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 5: is if we get into conversations and mind you, when

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Speaker 5: I was the head of faith Partnerships at META, I

1275
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 5: mean I'm working with like Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims, shoes, like Christians,

1276
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: and so my respect for every person is at a

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Speaker 5: human level. And when we would have conversations about belief,

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 5: like I'm I'm unashamed to say that I'm a believer.

1279
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 5: I'm a follower of Jesus. This is the gospel. This

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01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 5: is why I believe it. It is not my responsibility to

1281
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 5: convience someone yes that my faith is the faith. It's

1282
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 5: simply my responsibility to be a reflection right of who

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 5: Jesus is in the earth. I have had people of

1284
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 5: other faiths choose to follow Jesus after seeing a message

1285
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 5: that I preached or something like that. Not because I

1286
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 5: was like you're wrong and you're going to hell if

1287
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: you don't believe this. No, No, I'm just here to be

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Speaker 5: a witness and the Holy Spirit does the work.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, that's the endcause I wanted to make sure

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Speaker 3: I had the because when I said that, I was like, hope,

1291
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Speaker 3: I'm not offending anybody, Did I say that, right? Because

1292
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: you start thinking like we're talking about other religions, and

1293
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: I just don't judge anybody for what they believe. And

1294
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: I know what I believe, and I love that. You

1295
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: don't force anybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to. You need to believe in God

1297
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Speaker 1: doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: I have examples, like literal examples of people in other

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Speaker 5: parts of the world, Muslim majority countries where we're like missionaries,

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 5: can't even get into these spaces to proclaim the gospel

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01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 5: of Jesus, where people are becoming Christians because they are

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Speaker 5: being visited in their dreams. Wow, by Jesus.

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Speaker 4: I have stories like that.

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Speaker 5: There's a story of a woman I forget which part

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Speaker 5: of she might have been in India, living in a

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01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 5: country where literally you will be murdered. We think we

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 5: get persecution because people disagree with us here.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, you become a Christian, you die.

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01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 5: So this woman, she was visiting her dreams by Jesus,

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Speaker 5: accepts Jesus as the lord of her life. She has

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Speaker 5: to go to Egypt, where her sister is another Muslim

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Speaker 5: majority country. Yes, she has to go out of her

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Speaker 5: country to another country to find a church, just to

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Speaker 5: worship with people. She already was saved but she had

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Speaker 5: never been in a community.

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Speaker 1: Of Christians, and that's important, yes.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why I'm like, I don't think it's

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Speaker 5: my responsibility to badger people into the faith. I just

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Speaker 5: need to be a witness and be unashamed of the Gospel.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's a problem too sometimes with Christians

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: and people who are struggling whether to believe or not,

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Speaker 3: is that we don't live. We're not a good witness,

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Speaker 3: and we're like, you know, people are like, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to have nothing to do with y'all got going onocrites,

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Speaker 3: Like they don't want to be a part of it,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I feel like people like us are

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Speaker 3: making people see that, no, this is a great community

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Speaker 3: to be a part of.

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Speaker 1: I want to be on team Jesus.

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Speaker 5: And I will say this, I have found that the

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Speaker 5: most judgmental people tend to be the people that have

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Speaker 5: the most to hide, the people who are.

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Speaker 8: Like they are on your on your topic of you know,

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Speaker 8: the comment that you said then about you know, your

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Speaker 8: ex being Muslim and that then, h what.

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Speaker 7: Are your thoughts on if she would have married that.

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Speaker 1: Muslim as a Christian woman, as a Christian woman, because

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Speaker 1: do you see that.

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Speaker 3: I know there are people Christians and Muslims that get married,

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Speaker 3: but how is that word?

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Speaker 7: I know. I went to my former church when I

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Speaker 7: was in New York.

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Speaker 2: One of the pastors married a Jewish woman and she

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Speaker 2: ended up converting.

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Speaker 7: And so when I hear things like that, I often think.

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Speaker 2: About first Peter, yeah, one one through six, right, where

1347
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: it's like wives, by the way of your example, right,

1348
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: let your husbands be saved. Essentially, I'm paraphrasing right, and so,

1349
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Speaker 2: but is it even okay right to enter into a

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Speaker 2: marriage as Christians with someone of a completely different belief.

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Speaker 5: It's it's hard, and it's hard because you have to

1352
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 5: almost imagine putting yourself in his shoes. Let's just say

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01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: that he's like, I love you. In the back of

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 5: his mind, he's like, you're gonna be muscled, and that's

1355
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Speaker 5: what convert. It's okay, we love each other.

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Speaker 4: It'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: She'll convert.

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Speaker 1: And so that's that's she's thinking the same thing. I

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: can get him to convert.

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Speaker 5: Now. The way that I approach marriage, and this is

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Speaker 5: even outside of religion, it's just in general, is you

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 5: have to be able to accept the person as they

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 5: are when those bowels are exchanged without any expectation of oh,

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 5: well they're gonna change this, They're gonna change that to

1365
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 5: change this, because what you do is you set yourself

1366
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 5: up for disappointment.

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Speaker 3: Which is why the Bible probably says you shouldn't be

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01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 3: unequally you because they already knows the problem it's going

1369
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: to create.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and them listen, I will.

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 5: Tell you it is it is more likely that the

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Speaker 5: person won't change than that they will. Yeah. What the

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01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 5: probability is higher that they won't because you married them, right,

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01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 5: So it's like, apparently I'm good enough for you to marry,

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01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 5: so why would I need to change?

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Speaker 4: So that that would be the challenge. It It is hard.

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Speaker 4: It can happen.

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01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 5: It can happen, but you have to basically take religion

1379
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 5: off the table. But you can't even just talk about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's hard.

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Speaker 4: That's a big conversation to not have it, is it?

1382
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Speaker 1: Really?

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01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 5: You pray five times a day, right, you have your

1384
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 5: seasons of the year that you have certain things you

1385
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 5: have and your family is Muslim too.

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Speaker 4: And now they're looking aside, I have me because I'm

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Speaker 4: not doing the whole. Yeah, it's just it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: My other one is.

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Speaker 2: Speak, going back to the topic of judgment and things

1391
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: like that, how do we find the balance between not

1392
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: being judgmental and allowing others to, through our example, come

1393
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: to Jesus and see Jesus.

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 7: Versus still having to speak truth, which.

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Speaker 2: Is a big thing right now, right we were, you know,

1396
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: offline talking about a lot of what's happening even on

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: the pulpit right now. And so, and I know I've

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01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 2: heard other pastors literally preach on stage against what's happening

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Speaker 2: on other pulpits, which I'm.

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Speaker 7: Like, yes, that needs to happen, Like we.

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: Continue to sweep things under the rug. And so what

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: is the balance between the judgment and the speaking and

1403
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: truth speaking?

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.

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01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 5: This is a good question because we are absolutely called

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 5: to be bearers of truth and at the exact same time,

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: into the exact same degree, bearers of love. And what

1408
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 5: typically is missing is love. Like we are all about

1409
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 5: the truth. We'll get up there and we'll preach against

1410
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 5: what's happening at somebody's church.

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01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: We haven't reached.

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01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 5: Out to them, we haven't made a call, we haven't

1413
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 5: done any of that. And it's it's really a question

1414
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 5: of motive. So my prayer every day is Lord, let

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01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 5: the words of my mouth and the meditations of my

1416
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 5: heart be acceptable in your sight. It's the it's the

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01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 5: why Am I telling you this because I want to

1418
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 5: be right? Or am I telling you this because I

1419
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 5: love you so much that.

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Speaker 3: I want you to do There's a huge difference, and

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 3: and and people pick up on that.

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01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 5: It's like, so basically there's a difference between condemnation and conviction.

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Speaker 5: In the absence of love, truth is condemnation. But when

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 5: we add love to truth, it's conviction because because the

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 5: thing is, it's like, Okay, what you're doing is not God's.

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01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: Best for you.

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01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's very simple, like I love you so much

1428
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,799
Speaker 5: that I want God for you, and this isn't God's

1429
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 5: best for you. So I think that's the difference. It's

1430
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 5: just the love. It's like I want I wanna see reconciliation,

1431
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 5: I wanna see restoration.

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 4: This isn't about you're wrong, You're going to hell?

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01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: You know ga?

1434
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 5: This is ooh you know what, This isn't God's best. Yeah,

1435
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 5: let's talk about how to make sure that God's best yeah,

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01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 5: is evident in your life.

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 4: And I love you that.

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I love that. Yeah, that's good. So I

1439
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: wanna talk about when you said that you were saved

1440
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:37,879
Speaker 1: at the age.

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01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 3: Of eleven MM, but when you went home you were

1442
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: still being abused as a child. How did you come

1443
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: to understand this is the God that I'm growing to love,

1444
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: but this is what's happening at home and cause sometimes

1445
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 3: that would like make people lose faith? Yeah, how did

1446
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: you s keep your faith during that time?

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01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 5: I was blessed to be able to be in community

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 5: MM with the church. So so my mom did not

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 5: go to church with me, but like either my friend's

1450
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 5: mom would pick me up and take me to church

1451
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 5: or to the youth Bible studies, or the youth pastor

1452
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 5: would pick me up and his family would take me

1453
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 5: to church. And I truly believe that was my lifeline.

1454
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 5: Like I looked forward to Wednesday nights because I would

1455
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 5: be in community.

1456
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 4: I knew that people would care, they would love me.

1457
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 5: I would have dinner, we would laugh, we would tell

1458
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 5: jokes and play games, and then on the drive home,

1459
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 5: my heart would just drop almost like here we go.

1460
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 5: You know, I never knew what I was going to

1461
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 5: walk into. My mom would be going off who knew

1462
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 5: what would be happening. But that was my lifeline.

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm a big.

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01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 5: Believer in community. Like when we're experiencing pain, sometimes we

1465
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 5: will isolate ourselves and we'll be like, well, you know,

1466
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 5: I don't want people, all of them my business. It's like,

1467
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 5: this isn't about that. God said it is not good

1468
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 5: for man to be alone. He didn't say it's impossible.

1469
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 5: He says not good. And so that's that was the

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 5: lifeline for me. It's being in a community and people

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 5: who loved me, and that made the difference, made it bearable.

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Speaker 3: Good communities very important and the people you have around

1473
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: you are so important.

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: I guess thank you for sharing that, O cour Yeah.

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01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 3: All right, guys, so it is time for my favorite

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: part of the show, Positive Outcomes, where you guys write

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01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 3: in and me and Nona are going to give you advice. Hi, Crystal,

1478
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: I don't know where to find my joy. I don't

1479
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 3: know the last time I had it or where I

1480
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 3: lost it. I'm looking back to see if it was

1481
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: a decade ago, two decades, or I just never had it.

1482
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm turning thirty soon and I have no real true friends,

1483
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 3: but I have been friends too many I give, I help,

1484
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: I shelter, and I know I'm blessed. I find myself

1485
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 3: at an empty well, and when it fills up, even

1486
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 3: just a drop, I pour into others so much that

1487
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: starts to anger me. I can't say no, I can't

1488
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 3: not help others, but I'm drying out. I can say

1489
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 3: that when the will is at least halfway full, I'm happy.

1490
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: Why because I get to pour more and more. However,

1491
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: when it's slow, I'm feeling back empty again. I know

1492
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 3: I'm blessed. They say joy comes in the mom but

1493
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 3: I can't find it. I'm single because I'm scared of

1494
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 3: being used again, and I'm not as confident as I

1495
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 3: used to be.

1496
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 1: I stay home and work.

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 3: I don't do anything outside of that, and I need

1498
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 3: to find my joy. Can you please give me some

1499
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 3: advice because I can't seem to get out of my

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Speaker 3: own way.

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: Well, we just talked about.

1502
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 3: When people are feeling down, they like to isolate themselves,

1503
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 3: and that's you stay at home and you work.

1504
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: No, No, I do wanna get.

1505
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 3: This into you because you are the expert mm finding joy.

1506
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm the experts, but but I

1507
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 5: do have some thoughts. So it's it sounds like not

1508
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 5: you know, knowing the person. Yeah, it sounds like there

1509
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 5: is almost this sense of vicarious validation in taking care

1510
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 5: of other people. Mm, it's and what it what it

1511
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 5: really is when we get our sense of validation from

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01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 5: taking care of other people, it's that we want to

1513
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 5: be needed by other things. And so when you kind

1514
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 5: of click into that, the question is what made you

1515
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 5: feel that you are replaceable, that you are worthy of

1516
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 5: being discarded? Like what actually happened that made you think

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 5: that unless I do this, I don't matter, like I'm

1518
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 5: not needed. I think that there needs to be some

1519
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 5: excavation of that, because that is one of those that's

1520
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 5: like a heart setting, which is if I don't do this,

1521
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 5: then I'm irrelevant, when in fact, we know that before

1522
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 5: you were formed in the womb, we know that God

1523
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 5: decided you were necessary for creation. So that's not something

1524
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 5: that I think another person's need of you can validate.

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 5: That's really a decision that we have to make, is

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Speaker 5: that I actually have worth, regardless of whether people feel

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Speaker 5: like they need me or not. I would suggest, before

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 5: running into a fire to save somebody, allow them to

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 5: just smolder for a minute, because what that does is

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Speaker 5: that helps you to see whether or not they actually

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Speaker 5: are your friend. Sometimes when we show up immediately when

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Speaker 5: somebody says they need us, it's almost like they become

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 5: used to us and like what we provide, but they're

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Speaker 5: not necessarily our friend. And so just listening to how

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Speaker 5: she described it, it sounds like she's there for everybody else,

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Speaker 5: but they're not there for her. So she's being used.

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Speaker 4: And as long as you.

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Speaker 5: Don't see the work that you have, you will let

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Speaker 5: people use you. And so I would say that there's

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Speaker 5: some foundational heart work that has to take place. It's like,

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Speaker 5: why do I believe that unless somebody needs me, I

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 5: don't matter. Those are some questions I would have her

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 5: ask person to really get.

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Speaker 4: To the root what's going on?

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Speaker 1: That is so good. Thank you for that.

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 3: You blessed me in that too. You said something I appreciate.

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Speaker 3: I hope that helped you. The next we're going to

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: do what I'm going through and what I'm growing through,

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01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 3: and I guess we can touch on what I expressed

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 3: I am going through growing closer to God and also

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to balance my career in

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01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: my walk. So that's what I got the answer today, sir,

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01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: what are you going through and growing through?

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Speaker 4: I think I am.

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01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 5: Well. What I've been going through and what I'm coming

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01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 5: out of is as God has really blessed the ministry

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01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 5: that I have. The enemy has been like attacking my

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01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 5: marriage in very interesting ways. And this is not something

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01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 5: we talk about, which is why I want to talk

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 5: about it. Planting thoughts and seeds and imaginations my husband

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01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 5: and not on a weekly basis have to literally sit

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 5: down and talk about, Okay, what are the thoughts, what

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01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 5: are the imaginations, what are the resentments, what are the

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Speaker 5: things like? Because on a weekly basis, it's almost like

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01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 5: and we see it like there's so many scandals happening

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01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 5: and all these things happening because people get out there

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01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 5: and there's resentments in their marriage that are not dealt with.

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Speaker 5: There's all types of things that are not dealt with.

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 5: And so we sit down on a weekly basis like,

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 5: all right, what thoughts is he going to be planning

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01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 5: in your head about me? What resentments are you holding?

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: Vice versa?

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Speaker 5: So that's going to be continual, Like I know that

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 5: like as we as a lord continues to do, what

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 5: he's doing in large in my territory. I know there's

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01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 5: a target on my back. The enemy would love nothing

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 5: more than to create drama and chaos. So going through

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 5: that's just going to be repetitive. I know that growing

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 5: through is I am in a season of surrender truly.

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01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 5: You know, when I stepped off the team at U

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 5: version at the end of January of this year, I

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01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 5: stepped into new role, which is global ambassador. So I'm

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01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 5: like representing them, but I'm not doing the day to day.

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 5: That wasn't my desire. Like I loved what I was doing.

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01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 5: I loved the team I was leading.

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: I loved all that.

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01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 5: God called me away and told me that that's what

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Speaker 5: he wanted. And even though I didn't understand it, as

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 5: soon as I.

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Speaker 4: Said yes, I felt peace.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 4: It's like I was like, I don't I don't want

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Speaker 4: to do that.

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01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 5: I don't get that on it, and I just had

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 5: this anxiety and it's just like I was just anxious.

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 4: As soon as I said yes, I had peace.

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01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 5: And so I'm learning surrender. Like if that's why I said,

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 5: the question is the answer, That's what I'm learning the

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 5: fact that I have this question that is the answer,

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Speaker 5: and so I'm just like, all right, father, I'm gonna

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 5: surrender whatever you choose to do wherever you call me.

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01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 5: If you say no to this thing that I have

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01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 5: my heart set on, the answer is no.

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: If you say yes to this thing, I don't want

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 4: to do the answers. Yes, that's what I'm growing through.

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 1: That's so good. All right.

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Speaker 3: We're going to end the show with keep it blank, sweetie,

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01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 3: And for this one, I'm going to say I'm gonna

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01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 3: take the it out and say, keep that discernment, sweetie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because uh yeah, what is your feeling the blaker?

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Speaker 5: Keep it blake, sweet oh man, I would say, keep

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01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,919
Speaker 5: it fun, sweetie.

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01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that we just keep it fun.

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 5: Sweet to be too serious sometimes we do keep it fun.

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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 5: Enjoy life.

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01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 3: I love this shorter than I love it no, Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much. Thank you guys. I hope you enjoyed

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 3: this episode. If you want to write into our open

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,920
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Speaker 5: not Nora. I am not Nora Jones, even though if

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Speaker 5: you look me up in Google, I will.

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 4: Have her net worth.

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Speaker 5: I am not a Grammy Award singer songwriter at Nona,

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Speaker 5: no Nora or Nonah Jones dot com.

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, in the meantime in between time, you

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01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 3: know what to do. Keep it positt sweeties, See y'all

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 4: Father, We're so grateful to be here this morning.

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Speaker 5: God. We just thank you for the gift of life,

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 5: the miracle of life, recognizing that there were many people

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Speaker 5: who laid down last night God with a full agendic day, Father,

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Speaker 5: and they did not wake up. So we just thank

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Speaker 5: you Lord for the gift of life. I'm grateful for

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Speaker 5: this moment, Father, that we are gathered here to have

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Speaker 5: this conversation. I pray that you will lead it, and

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Speaker 5: I pray for everyone who will watch it.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 5: May they receive encouragement, Father, May they even have answers

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 5: to questions that they've had in their heart. Maybe they've

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 5: been wrestling with insecurity, maybe they've been wrestling with discouragement

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Speaker 5: and doubt. Father. I pray that they would receive those answers, Lord,

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Speaker 5: and that their hearts will be turned toward You. I

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Speaker 5: also pray God for this entire team, God recording it,

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Speaker 5: God editing it.

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Speaker 4: I pray God that you will bless the work of.

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01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 5: Their hands and their hearts and continue to favor this

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01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 5: podcast because it's a ministry. Guys, it is a ministry.

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Speaker 1: I pray it.

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Speaker 5: We'll go forth in your name. We pray