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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: December twenty one. We are getting so close to Christmas

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Speaker 2: you could all most taste it. We will obviously have

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Speaker 2: a pod tomorrow and I think then we'll probably power

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Speaker 2: down until Wednesday, because I know, even though there's good

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Speaker 2: sports on Christmas Day with the NBA, Rob's not gonna

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Speaker 2: want to record. I'm not gonna want to record, you know.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably do some drinking with the family, board games,

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Speaker 2: all that fun Christmas Christmas stuff, and yeah, so I

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Speaker 2: think we'll come back Wednesday if that works. I didn't

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Speaker 2: even run it by the big bosses. I was just

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Speaker 2: calling an audible here, make it a decision. Listen. It

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Speaker 2: was a tough Wednesday for your boy. So, as you

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Speaker 2: guys know, and I'll be brief on this, something happened

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Speaker 2: Leg Championship game. I went lifting on Saturday, and you know,

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Speaker 2: rocket tank top. There's a lot of talent, shall we say,

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Speaker 2: put up some weight on incline and I ended up

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Speaker 2: having to stretch my back more than normal. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that didn't feel great. So I finish up the usual

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Speaker 2: workout routine and it didn't feel great. But of course

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning, Jay, we got to run. It's a great

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Speaker 2: tune up for the championship. So I do the run

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Speaker 2: and rarely does your boy get on the floor, you know,

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Speaker 2: and make a hustle play and pick up. Come on,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing that, but I felt like it was

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel good. I played another game. I was like,

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Speaker 2: in the championship. Was it myself didn't play great? And

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Speaker 2: then since last Monday, I've been I haven't been able

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Speaker 2: like crap. And I've never really had a long injury.

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Speaker 2: crutches back in Pennsylvania, and then I had the eye

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Speaker 2: So finally I'm like, I would wake up and I

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Speaker 2: can't really put my freaking socks on it. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like major pain in the lower back. So I

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Speaker 2: finally I got a buddy whose kid played sports with

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Speaker 2: So I went in and got an X ray Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: and ultimately they were like, not great, and it's not

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Speaker 2: the the L five vertebrae is starting to degenerate a

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Speaker 2: little bit. This happens to everyone. Just happens, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little earlier to athletic types. You know, take it easy,

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Speaker 2: power down for a month. And as soon as I

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Speaker 2: started two weeks ago, right, you've been feeling this sill.

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Speaker 2: Just give it another two weeks. And I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: healthy and I had to throw surgery in August. It's like,

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Speaker 2: what the hell I'm telling you guys, get into your forties,

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Speaker 2: get that colonoscophy, you get the health issues. Listen, if

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Speaker 2: you're in your thirties, live it up, folks. That's all

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Speaker 2: I gotta say. Speaking of living it up. First of all,

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Speaker 2: we'll do best bet for Raven. I'm sorry. Now, ravens

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Speaker 2: huge one. The playoff ramifications are it's a huge swing game.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to lose this if you're the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Saints were four and a half. I got Rams thinking

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Speaker 2: talk about that later. Maybe we'll touch on this Raven's

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Speaker 2: disrespect nonsense. But I need to start with something that happened. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think this happened late Tuesday. I didn't see it.

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Speaker 2: the voice of reason. Everything is in that gray area.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't go one way or the other. Shack will

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Speaker 2: that was kind of it, Like there was no massive pushback,

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Speaker 2: theory was, well, wor's Barkley weighing in on this? Oh, oh,

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Speaker 2: doesn't have adds much juice. I bet that Shack teed

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Speaker 2: haven't heard Rob's take on this. You guys know I'm

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Speaker 2: a massive curry honk. I got the selfie with him

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Speaker 2: he's not for everyone. He's a below the rim superstar

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Speaker 2: He won before Kevin Durant, He then recruited Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this, you know of media guys. Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's never hear any clutch shots. He just just doesn't

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Speaker 2: do clutch shots. Well, go look back at the Celtics

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Speaker 2: He's probably played conservatively fifteen hundred games. I'm just guessing

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Speaker 2: That's insanity, that's not that's silly. I mean Steph Curry

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Speaker 2: We've never seen the Steph Curry. I don't think we'll

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Speaker 2: see another one now. Guys like Kobe White can go

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Speaker 2: but it pales in comparison to Curry. Ray Allen had

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Speaker 2: just we've never seen this. Now, obviously the game has changed.

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Speaker 2: His volume is incredible, But there are some Steph Curry haters.

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Speaker 2: I think he's probably every single time I go to

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Speaker 2: an NBA game where the Worriors you're playing, what at

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Speaker 2: least one in ten, maybe two in ten, people are

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Speaker 2: cut being like, all right, they pushed back against Jaboy Curry,

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Speaker 2: and let's hear it, Rob.

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Speaker 1: Jason, there aren't many things I don't like about you.

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Speaker 1: I think you're generally a good dude. I like following

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Speaker 1: you on the gram aside from the shirtless post. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you've kind of reeled that in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that I don't like about you

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Speaker 1: in this space is that you've painted me as the

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry hater on the show. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's just the bitch too far, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm a hater. I just think that I'm so centrist

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Speaker 1: about Steph Curry and you are so infatuated with him

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Speaker 1: because he's spotted you at the gym when you were

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Speaker 1: doing the hammer curls in the front of the big mirror,

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Speaker 1: be on the Mount rushmore of NBA players. All of

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Speaker 1: that is true. The problem that I have with guys

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Speaker 1: way that Steph Curry makes you feel that you've become

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Speaker 1: blinded by what's actually in front of you by the resume. Right,

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Speaker 1: So Shack got this whole thing kicked off when he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's arguable that Steph Curry is you know,

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Speaker 1: time to have the conversation. Is he one of the

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Speaker 1: just saying no that the greatest player debate, the goat

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Speaker 1: anything else is reaching. It's Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Gravidual Jabbar.

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Speaker 1: Anyone else is not welcome into that conversation. So shout

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Speaker 1: out to Kenny for clearing that up. But the reason

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Speaker 1: why a guy like Shaq brings it up is in

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Speaker 1: the same way that you do. Is when we watch

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry play, he makes you feel almost like a

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Speaker 1: child again, the joyfulness that he plays with again, you

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Speaker 1: fact that he's below the rim, that he reminds you

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Speaker 1: of something that maybe you could have done if you

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Speaker 1: would have really worked on your craft long enough in

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Speaker 1: a different way that you know, not everyone's gonna grow

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Speaker 1: up to be six eighty two sixty like Lebron James

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Speaker 1: and have a forty inch vertical. Not everyone's going to

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Speaker 1: grow up to be uh. You know Shaquille O'Neal seven

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Speaker 1: to one, three point fifty that can bulldoze through anybody

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Speaker 1: and has the grace and power that you know you'd

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Speaker 1: only getting your finest automobiles like that. That's just not realistic.

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry looks like someone you might know. He looks

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Speaker 1: like someone you might have played with in your men's

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Speaker 1: reck basketball league. You know that he may have given

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Speaker 1: it to the Silver Foxes at least once Foxes or

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Speaker 1: the Gray Foxes. Excuse me, and I understand that. But

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Speaker 1: just because that stuff is true doesn't give you or

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Speaker 1: anyone else the right to put him ahead and above

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Speaker 1: of guys who just flat out have better resumes. Steph

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Speaker 1: top ten ish player of all time, and that's if

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Speaker 2: don't know, Rob, we'll call this. You're not a hater,

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Speaker 2: quickly do this. This Clipper story. So the Clippers last

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Speaker 2: And he rolls up with just one girl and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we have a girlfriend sidepiece. I don't know, so, you know,

424
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Speaker 2: she goes, We're all like us this NFL, NBA, it's

425
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Speaker 2: summer or he's not playing in the summer league. So

426
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Speaker 2: his girlfriend goes to eat or whatever or goes to

427
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Speaker 2: the bathroom. And I end up just saying, you know what,

428
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Speaker 2: come on, guys, I'm on TV. I don't mind going

429
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Speaker 2: over it. I go over talk to him. What's up, man,

430
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Speaker 2: how are you yo? Where'd you play at? And then

431
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Speaker 2: he says Virginia Tech? And I was like, oh shoot that.

432
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Speaker 2: So I went He's like, oh nice, oh blah blah.

433
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Speaker 2: So we talk and I realized when I'm talking to him,

434
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Speaker 2: I could under I finally put it together him. I

435
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: literally didn't know who it was, and I just put

436
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Speaker 2: it together in my head, Oh my gosh, this is

437
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: Cam Chancellor of the Seattle Seahawks. And he starts, you know,

438
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Speaker 2: we start talking about the draft. I admit that I'm

439
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: like a big draft nerd and blah blah blah. And

440
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: he's like, man, nobody knew what to do with me.

441
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: When I was coming out, you know, I was like

442
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: a hybrid. Is he a safety? Is he a linebacker?

443
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Speaker 2: Could we boke him up and put him on defensive end,

444
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: make him a tight end? What do we do it?

445
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: Nobody knew what to do with him. So he falls

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: in the draft and Camp Chancellor a really good player

447
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: in college. But again, a lot of teams want to

448
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: put you in a box. This is our ex this

449
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: is our why we can make him a z like

450
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Speaker 2: they did not know what to do with the dude.

451
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Speaker 2: I mean, they just they were clueless. So he drops

452
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Speaker 2: and drops and he's a fifth round pick. Well, Seattle,

453
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Speaker 2: which was at the time trying to create the league

454
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Speaker 2: in a boom, says, oh man, this guy's really good.

455
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Speaker 2: Holy cal Well, you know he doesn't totally have the

456
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Speaker 2: forty speed. You know what, what why don't why don't

457
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Speaker 2: we put him at safety? Okay? And you know, the rest,

458
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Speaker 2: of course is history. Like Camp chance one from being

459
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Speaker 2: like a special teams guy, cornerback, linebacker, they figure him out.

460
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Speaker 2: It's if Virginia Tech he was a safety but they

461
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Speaker 2: didn't know if anybody he could play safety in the league.

462
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Speaker 2: And camp Chuncer goes on to just be an unbelievable

463
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Speaker 2: inside the box safety, could play in the secondary, could

464
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Speaker 2: cover tight ends, could keep up with running back sort

465
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Speaker 2: of out of the backfield, and he ends up being

466
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Speaker 2: just an incredible all around talent, second team All Pro

467
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Speaker 2: a couple of times, just a really awesome player. And

468
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Speaker 2: my whole argument with Cam Chancellor is smart teams don't

469
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Speaker 2: see what you are, they see what you can be.

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Speaker 2: We can do this with him, And I think in

471
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Speaker 2: a discussion like Curry, I think you know, the Warriors

472
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Speaker 2: saw a lot of people saw Curry as out. They

473
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Speaker 2: couldn't guard anybody who's he gonna defend. He's so skinny,

474
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Speaker 2: he can't get through the line. No, no, we can

475
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Speaker 2: do this with him, and they dump Monte Ellis and

476
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Speaker 2: make Curry the guy. Seahawks put camp Chancellor at safety

477
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Speaker 2: and boom instantly. I mean, I think he was starting

478
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Speaker 2: as a rookie, but I mean he came into the

479
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Speaker 2: league and played a lot quickly and became a major factor.

480
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Speaker 2: And their secondary is one of the all time greats.

481
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Speaker 2: And I see some of that in myself. Of course,

482
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Speaker 2: you know, I'll never forget. When they were like recruiting

483
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Speaker 2: me to Fox, I was like, well, he's only done

484
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Speaker 2: radio for like a year. He's like an internet guy

485
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Speaker 2: talk sports. Does he have credibility? What do we do?

486
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Speaker 2: They didn't know what to do, so I would like

487
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Speaker 2: float around and do certain segments, and I was it

488
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Speaker 2: was just frustrating, and I felt it felt dumb. It's

489
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Speaker 2: like I can talk about anything guys like, but again,

490
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Speaker 2: you can't really sell them on it until you're in

491
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Speaker 2: the spot. So of course they don't know what to

492
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Speaker 2: do with me. Cowhard then sees, well, this guy's done this, this, this,

493
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Speaker 2: I've heard him. I brought him on the show. I

494
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Speaker 2: know what I know he can do this. And it

495
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Speaker 2: was still doubts, of course, And then of course cow

496
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Speaker 2: Herd does convince them let me be on the show.

497
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Speaker 2: And now here we are two a year and a

498
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Speaker 2: half in, and the show's setting record ratings practically every month,

499
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Speaker 2: like we're crushing off. The show's on fire, and like

500
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Speaker 2: I looked at the Clippers and I said, wait a minute,

501
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Speaker 2: you're telling me James Harden, Tyleru Kawhi, Leonard Paul George.

502
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna figure this out with guys like Terrence Man.

503
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Speaker 2: They didn't have to give up Man. Remember the Sixers

504
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: apparently wanted Terrence Man. We gotta have Terrence Man. They

505
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Speaker 2: didn't get him. Like Terrence Man's a good play He's

506
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Speaker 2: gonna be a rotational guy, a key rotational in the

507
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Speaker 2: playoffs for them, because he's, for my money, their best defender.

508
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Speaker 2: You don't want Paul George and Kawhi, who are elite defender.

509
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Speaker 2: I don't think you want them defending the opposing star

510
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Speaker 2: in the seven game series at the beginning. You know,

511
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Speaker 2: maybe you get to game five and it's like, all right, Kawhi,

512
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: it's time. It's you know, worn down. They're going to

513
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: be having a play close to eighty two games and

514
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Speaker 2: then defend. And no, I don't want to hear about

515
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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. Did that stop it? Jay Budd. These guys

516
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: are old, if injury prone. I think Man's valuable. I

517
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Speaker 2: think Norm Powells he showed I mean that guy's a

518
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Speaker 2: big time scorer. You talk about a guy like bones

519
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Speaker 2: hideland on the beds like I like this Clippers team,

520
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: and it just took a little longer than normal. Rob,

521
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Speaker 2: They're figuring it out. They're slowly but surely climbing the

522
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Speaker 2: standings in the West. While the Lakers were winning the

523
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: end season tournament, everybody was all excited. They're now struggling.

524
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Speaker 2: They lost to the Bulls last night. Oh would you

525
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: look at the NBA standings. We are roughly twenty seven,

526
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Speaker 2: it's more one third of the way through the season.

527
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Speaker 2: Oh and the Clippers are fourth, shucks, only three and

528
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: a half back of the Timberwolves, who nobody thinks he is

529
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Speaker 2: going to stay there. And oh, look at that point differential.

530
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Speaker 2: Paper clips have been blowing people out plus six plus

531
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Speaker 2: six point differential. That's better than the box. Now it's

532
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: not sixers level, but sixers have played a cupcake schedule.

533
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Speaker 2: But Rob, I look at these clips. I mean, you

534
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Speaker 2: don't want to go overboard. I'll just say this. If

535
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Speaker 2: the Horses are healthy, I think the floor for them

536
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: is the Western Conference finals the floor. And I don't

537
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Speaker 2: care who they're playing. I don't care if it's the

538
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Speaker 2: Nuggets in the second round. I don't gif it's the

539
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: Suns Lakers. I think their floor now that big three

540
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: have to be healthy, and that's hardened Kawhi and PG,

541
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Speaker 2: and I know that's been an issue, so that's why

542
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Speaker 2: I can't go overboard. But Rob, if I think their

543
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Speaker 2: floor is Western Conference finals, that's spicy.

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Speaker 1: That's spicy for a late December podcast. But I don't

545
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Speaker 1: totally disagree with you, because you know it took them

546
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Speaker 1: a while too or not while too, by a week

547
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Speaker 1: and a half two for them to kind of get

548
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Speaker 1: their bearings. And you would think that they go from

549
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: losing what was it, five or six in a rows

550
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: to not winning ninth straight, it must have been something dramatic. No,

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: it was just Russell Westbrook is now going to go

552
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: to the bench, and Russell Westbrook is only going to

553
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: play eighteen minutes a game. You go, that's the cleanest

554
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: way to make it so that we can satisfy the

555
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: star power on our roster. James Harden go back to

556
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Speaker 1: being James Harden. We don't want isoball, but we need

557
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Speaker 1: James Harden to be our point guard, Kawhi Leonard and

558
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Speaker 1: Paul George to be the finishers. And up until last night,

559
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Speaker 1: I know he had still a solid game. Seventeen and

560
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Speaker 1: eleven for James Harden, he didn't shoot it that well,

561
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: but entering that game against Dallas during their winning streak,

562
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: was averaging about eighteen and nine on forty eight percent

563
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Speaker 1: shooting from the field. But here's the best one, a

564
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: career low nineteen percent usage, drake Oh. James Harden was

565
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: up in the high thirties in Houston, right like him

566
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Speaker 1: and Giannis were competing to see who can set the

567
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Speaker 1: record for the highest usage rate in NBA history. On

568
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Speaker 1: top of that, you know, they have these great players.

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Speaker 1: They got Kawhi, they got Paul George some nights, they

570
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Speaker 1: have Westbrook. You mentioned Norman Pole had a good game

571
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Speaker 1: last night. So they have plenty of guys who can score,

572
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Speaker 1: plenty of guys who can do a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of guys, honestly, who need to be set up

574
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Speaker 1: by another player. Answered James Harden. That's what he's been doing.

575
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Speaker 1: He's been the point guard. He's been distributing. But on

576
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Speaker 1: the times when they need him to go vintage James Harden,

577
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Speaker 1: to go Houston, Harden, to go with the isolation, make

578
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Speaker 1: something happen, no help, no rotation, anything like that. He's

579
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Speaker 1: averaging a career high one point three to two points

580
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: per possession on isolation, making him the fourth best isolation

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Speaker 1: scorer in the NBA, behind only Luca Zion and Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 1: So this James Harden acquisition has been a dream come

583
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Speaker 1: true for the Clippers. They've been searching for a point

584
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: guard ever since the Kawhi Paul George Perring became together.

585
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook was a fine fit with them, if only

586
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: because he was like a legitimate point guard. James Harden

587
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: has been a huge upgrade. This team is absolutely dangerous

588
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: again if they can stay healthy. This guy is the limit.

589
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Speaker 2: So I was unaware of the hard numbers. What do

590
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Speaker 2: you think that as a testament to Like, if he

591
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: was an ISO guy in Philly, they could kind of

592
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: clog up the lane and say, okay, PJ Walker go

593
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: beat us? Or yeah, PJ Walker was a PJ. Tucker

594
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: was with the Sixers last year, right, Or will Tobias

595
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: Harris will live and die with that? That's fine, tyber Smax.

596
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: He was still emerging and then embeat. But now if

597
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: he goes ISO, you're not leaving Kawhi, are you? You're

598
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Speaker 2: not leaving Paul George. You sure as hell aren't leaving.

599
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Speaker 2: Norman Bowell, who had just been unbelievable from deep I had.

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Speaker 2: That's a thing I had not factored in, Like, you

601
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: can't really double off him, I guess if Zubac is in.

602
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Speaker 2: But Zubos is such a good rim runner man, like

603
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: he knows his role. That guy doesn't take bad shots.

604
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: It feels like yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is he doesn't really do it

606
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot when Zubatch is then

607
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: usually as the pick and roll action with him.

608
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: Right, So there's two things.

609
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Speaker 1: Number One, they go small a lot, probably even more

610
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: than I would like, but they go small a lot

611
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: where basically Kawhi Leonard is guarding their centers. But the

612
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: other one, and this might be the sneaky acquisition of

613
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: the short NBA season so far, getting Daniel Tice on

614
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: the buyout market for absolutely nothing. Just last night, he

615
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: only played sixteen minutes. Right, scores eleven points goes two

616
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: to two from d If he can hit that at

617
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: a respectable not even a high clip, just like mid

618
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: thirties thirty three thirty four percent, then he's another guy

619
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Speaker 1: that you can't help off of. So James Harden is

620
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: going to be able to get relatively easy, clean looks

621
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Speaker 1: against what should be the third or fourth best perimeter

622
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: defender on the opposing team. So this team is built

623
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Speaker 1: very well and again they're gonna be very very good

624
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: as long as they stay healthy.

625
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: To find out where Tye was. So he was in

626
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Indiana and last season and yeah when he got bought Okay,

627
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: he got bought out. Okay, there it is. And then

628
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: he goes to the cool because I thought he was

629
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Speaker 2: out of the NBA, But looks like that was a

630
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: little further back when he was playing for some team

631
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: in Germany and all over the planet. Listen, he's he's solid.

632
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: Now he's thirty one years old, which is older. But

633
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Speaker 2: you know these six six eight two fifty kind of

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Speaker 2: I don't like the Clippers. I'm just rooting, not just

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Speaker 2: Saints tonight from Sofi. Rob Are you going or no?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, definitely not.

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Speaker 1: I have no interest in watching Derek Carr versus Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford on a Thursday night in La traffic during a rainstorm.

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Speaker 2: It's it going to be raining again tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be raining the rest of this week.

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Speaker 1: I know they don't worry about that at SOFI because

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Speaker 1: they have the overhang, but I just no interesting driving

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Speaker 1: in La traffic and parking with the rain.

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Speaker 2: No. I'll just say this about this. Getting out of Sofi,

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's rough. After so far you get you

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Speaker 2: that way to track the way the traffic goes, which stinks.

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Speaker 2: But I am curious if you guys look at the

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Speaker 2: injury report, there was a big change late in the

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Speaker 2: week that kind of twisted things for the Saints, and

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Speaker 2: I think why some money came in on them because

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Speaker 2: Chris o'lave the wide receiver kind of their game breaker,

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00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: the guy that scares you down the field. He is

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Speaker 2: going to play clear from concussion protocol, which is huge

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Speaker 2: form my fantasy league, which I know you don't care about.

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Speaker 2: Let me go quick aside, rob fantasy question. This is

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Speaker 2: the tough one. So I sneak by in the Fox

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Speaker 2: League last week thanks to the immortal Nick Mullins and

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Speaker 2: the Raiders defense. This week, I'm in the Fox again.

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00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm playing to get the number one seed. There I'm

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 2: in deep trouble. Here are my quarterback options because CJ.

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Speaker 2: Strow was my guy, he's out. I've got Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 2: against Jacksonville. I've got Joe Flacco against Houston, and I

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00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: got Nick Mullins against Detroit. Do any of those wet

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Speaker 2: your beak? No? But he's got to be It's gotta

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Speaker 2: be one.

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Speaker 1: If I had a big one, i'd probably pick Flacco.

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Speaker 2: Interesting I had it as Flaco and then I looked

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Speaker 2: around and I was like, well, Baker Mayfield. Like, let's

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Speaker 2: say Jacksonville's scoring a lot, which is reasonable. Baker's gonna

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Speaker 2: be chucking the rest of the game, and sure, he's

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00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 2: probably good for two interceptions, but why is it reasonable

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Speaker 2: to expect him to throw some TVs. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: not like the Jags D is good so that I

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Speaker 2: think that call could decide to gain. The other thing

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Speaker 2: is last week, like I was really savvy with the defenses,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't look ahead to this week, and I'm

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Speaker 2: left with the Bears against Kyler Murray not ideal. I'm

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Speaker 2: definitely not taking the Saints defense tonight. It's out there,

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Speaker 2: but I just I cannot go against the Rams here

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Speaker 2: now here. The four and a half was the line.

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Speaker 2: I told you I bet it earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: It's come down to four. I'm surprised. I'm still shocked

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Speaker 2: that people came in and are betting the Saints here. Now.

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Speaker 2: The Rams have been an underdog a lot. They played

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Speaker 2: some really strong teams. They're about as healthy as they've been.

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Speaker 2: You know, no Cooper couple needs a report to two

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Speaker 2: two out well back from the concussion, like they're in

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Speaker 2: great shape. I just rob I can't Here's what I

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00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: can't get over. I didn't think the Rams are gonna

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00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: be good this year. And sure they looked overpowering against Washington,

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00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: taking a massive what twenty eight seven lead or whatever

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00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: it was. They let Washington come back in that game,

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00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: didn't put them away. Rams as underdogs have been great.

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00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: Stafford's gonna keep throwing to get to stay in the game.

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: Rams's favorites laying points again. I don't like the Saints defense.

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Speaker 2: Still know a Lottimore. There's just not a great anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't really care that the last two

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00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: weeks they shut down Tommy DeVito and Bryce Young. That

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00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: doesn't mean Jack squad to me. I don't. I mean

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00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Paul They got the cornerback, Paulson adebo is having a

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00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: great year, the kid from Stanford. But it's like, is

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00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: he going against Cup? Is he going against Nakua? I

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00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: don't really love anything about the Saints team. I think

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00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: the Rams win. I just I'm having a little trepidation

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00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: doubling down on my on my Rams minus four and

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00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: a half or it would be at four. Now where

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00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: are you at on this one?

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Speaker 1: I would lean Rams, And I'm probably a little bit

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Speaker 1: more confident in than you only because and you touched

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Speaker 1: on this, you know, briefly, we don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: of shape Chris Olive is going to be in, especially

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Speaker 1: given the fact that he is like the last receiver

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Speaker 1: standing in that room. You know, Michael Thomas was going

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00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,000
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00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: has been up and down. He's very inconsistent. That's his

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Speaker 1: style of play, and a lobby is really look like

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Speaker 1: I can count on the Rams defense isn't great, but

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Speaker 1: it's good enough where if we're only really concerned about

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Speaker 1: one guy, we can probably slow down that one guy,

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Speaker 1: especially when you factor in that Derek Carr is at

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Speaker 1: the controls. And this is historically the situation where Derek

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Speaker 1: Carr would come up small, standalone primetime game with something

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Speaker 1: to play for, because both of these teams are in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a playoff chase. The Saints might even

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Speaker 1: try to, you know, win that division outright, and so

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Speaker 1: this is historically a situation where Derek Carr becomes captain

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Speaker 1: checked down. So I expect a lot of passes to

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Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara in the backfield three four or five yards

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Speaker 1: a clip. I don't think that's gonna be enough though,

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Speaker 1: to keep up with Stafford cup Nkua and that Rams offense.

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Speaker 1: So I like the Rams even laying the points.

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Speaker 2: Now that's interesting because I look at the coaching mismatch Listen,

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Speaker 2: Dennis Allen has been brutal this year. I'm guessing he's

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00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: gonna play this extra conservatively. And McVeigh, we know is

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Speaker 2: great at getting out to lead. So now you're looking

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Speaker 2: at Derek Carr coming back on the road. We know

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Speaker 2: Carr hates pressure up the middle. He's a mobile ish quarterback,

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Speaker 2: but not super mobile, like this could be an Aaron

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Speaker 2: Donald game. We saw that ramcheck is out for the Saints.

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Speaker 2: Interior offensivelignment. Pretty good, pretty good player. I'm waiting to

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Speaker 2: see who if his backup is any good. But like

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Speaker 2: I cannot find it discernible edge for the Saints here.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't see where they have an advantage

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Speaker 2: other than the fact is the Rams tend to as favorites,

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00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: play down to their opposition, get too conservative and next

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Speaker 2: thing you know, it's a close game. But the Rams

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Speaker 2: have played a brutal schedule this year, and it's one

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Speaker 2: of those situations where I think the Rams are the

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Speaker 2: side here. Kyri that offense, Kyra Williams Nukua Cup Highbee's back,

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00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: he's playing at a higher level. I feel like this

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00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: offense should be able to have a lot of success

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Speaker 2: at home. I don't think there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 2: of Saint you know how the Rams games sometimes, as

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Speaker 2: Steve Hartman said yesterday, Rams and Chargers games tend to

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Speaker 2: be like forty sixty thirty five sixty five opposing team crowd.

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00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: There's no Saints traveling here for this, right.

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Speaker 1: No, not during Christmas week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah he did, Yeah, No, and it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. I just I don't see it happening. So

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00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: I'll go Rams twenty three Saints seventeen. All right. We

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Speaker 2: will be back tomorrow with Week sixteen. Gambling expert guy.

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Speaker 2: talk to you then