Speaker 1: Warning! Today's episode contains spoilers for the year 2000's X-Men.
Speaker 1: Formerly a Fox Studios production. Be warned.
Speaker 2: Don't give up on them, Eric.
Speaker 1: What would you have me do, Charles? I've heard these
Speaker 1: arguments before.
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Mankind has evolved since then.
Speaker 1: Yes. Into us. Are you sneaking around in here, Charles?
Speaker 1: Whatever are you looking for? I'm looking for hope. I
Speaker 1: will bring you hope, old friend. And I ask only
Speaker 1: one thing in return. Don't get in my way. We
Speaker 1: are the future, Charles.
Speaker 3: Not them.
Speaker 2: They don't look about that.
Speaker 3: Hello!
Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion.
Speaker 2: And I'm Rosie Knight.
Speaker 1: And welcome back to X-Ray Vision, the podcast where we
Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and spot culture.
Speaker 1: We're bringing you three episodes a week, plus news this week.
Speaker 2: Plus news on Saturdays.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we will be starting today recapping the list
Speaker 3: of 14 films and one movie that Disney released that
Speaker 3: you have to watch. before Doomsday, so you don't have to,
Speaker 3: or so you can, and you can listen along. So
Speaker 3: what we're going to do is we are going to
Speaker 3: give you the hits of what happened in the era
Speaker 3: the movie was released.
Speaker 2: Why did it matter?
Speaker 3: What's a fact you might not know about it? How
Speaker 3: much money did it make? Then, of course, we're going
Speaker 3: to recap it. And then we're going to tell you
Speaker 3: where we think it will fit in to Doomsday and
Speaker 3: why Disney included it on their list.
Speaker 2: But first.
Speaker 1: Let's hit you with some facts, some quick facts of X-Men,
Speaker 1: which came out in the year 2000. Rosie, can you
Speaker 1: cast your mind back nearly 30 years to the year 2000? Crazy.
Speaker 1: I remember when they were casting this movie. It was
Speaker 1: a big deal at the time. Reading the news and
Speaker 1: the rumors in Wizard Magazine and Entertainment Weekly. Let's start here.
Speaker 1: Glenn Danzig as Wolverine.
Speaker 2: That was crazy in 1995.
Speaker 1: Glenn Danzig as Wolverine started as a magazine bit in
Speaker 1: Wizard Magazine, January 1995. Casting column proposed him, quote, Wolverine,
Speaker 1: the most unshaven hero in comics, would be brought to
Speaker 1: life by brooding rock star Glenn Danzig. Months later, 20th
Speaker 1: Century Fox was actually courting him for the part with
Speaker 1: the script still unfinished. But this was very early on.
Speaker 1: Bryan Singer had not been hired yet. And honestly, thank
Speaker 1: God we moved in a different direction.
Speaker 2: Yes, not the right choice. But those wizard castings were hilarious.
Speaker 1: In 2017, LA Weekly asked Danzig about X-Men and about
Speaker 1: the rumors. And he said, you know, he was asked, like,
Speaker 1: what would it have been like if you were in
Speaker 1: it and not Hugh Jackman as Wolverine? Danzig said, quote,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been as gay. adding, quote, it was terrible. So,
Speaker 1: Glenn Danzig, we're glad we've moved on from Glenn Danzig.
Speaker 3: That was a wild, wild thing to say, like, especially
Speaker 3: for a movie that's pretty straight.
Speaker 2: For an X-Men story, Glenn Danzig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a really wild but fun time to
Speaker 3: be an X-Men fan. I mean, so much happened, Jason,
Speaker 3: before this movie even came out. Oh, yeah, well, then
Speaker 3: he wasn't, Glenn wasn't the only.
Speaker 2: One who passed because Joss Whedon also wrote a draft.
Speaker 3: And Fox threw all of it out and then invited
Speaker 3: him to a read through without telling him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Drama behind the scenes on this movie at every step.
Speaker 3: The writer is shit in the movies was his summary.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: One line survived intact. It's me.
Speaker 3: Prove it.
Speaker 2: You're a dick.
Speaker 3: He also owns up to the toad line, which he
Speaker 3: wrote as a throwaway and blames the delivery. Halle Berry
Speaker 3: said she, oh, excuse me.
Speaker 2: I hate this man.
Speaker 3: In the AV club in 2001, only a year later,
Speaker 3: September 15th, September 5th, 2001.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Different time. Uh, he said, Halle Berry said it like
Speaker 2: she was Desdemona.
Speaker 1: Oh, do you know what?
Speaker 2: Like the Shakespeare? How about you just leave Halle Berry
Speaker 2: out of this?
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Don't you blame her for that line.
Speaker 1: I will say that it's me. Prove it. You're a
Speaker 1: dick line, which is when, um, Scott and Jean are
Speaker 1: worried that Logan might be Mystique, which is very funny
Speaker 1: and does read as very great.
Speaker 2: Great delivery and very pre-MCU.
Speaker 1: The movie was a huge hit, surprising hit, and it
Speaker 1: nearly killed Marvel, although Marvel had its own problems. Bill Jemis,
Speaker 1: describing his first six months as Marvel president, said, quote,
Speaker 1: We were right in the middle of the release of
Speaker 1: the first X-Men movie, which was the spectacular box office success.
Speaker 1: The movie was for 20-year-olds, and the toys were for 10-year-olds,
Speaker 1: and the toys didn't sell. So we had a movie
Speaker 1: success and a god-awful financial failure, and we were broke. Like,
Speaker 1: can't make payroll broke. The company would go to bankruptcy
Speaker 1: right around that time.
Speaker 3: If you didn't know why that was, guys, it's because
Speaker 3: they licensed the rights for the movies to different studios.
Speaker 3: Because at the time, Marvel was owned by Toy Biz,
Speaker 3: Ike Palmutter and Avi Arad's company. And they thought, well,
Speaker 3: we'll make money off the toys. But as they said,
Speaker 3: that didn't really work for them. And yeah, this was
Speaker 3: the craziest time at Marvel post the boom. Fox then,
Speaker 3: this is actually something that I think is like another
Speaker 3: really big precast. So they marketed the film. by basically
Speaker 3: running a fake political campaign. Mutantwatch.com played it completely straight,
Speaker 3: invented press stories, polls, books, all of it behind Robert Kelly,
Speaker 3: Senator Robert Kelly. And they recruited visitors into the genetically
Speaker 3: pure patriot brigade where they were asked to email in
Speaker 3: the names of their mutant friends.
Speaker 2: Very bleak.
Speaker 3: 240,234 people gave up an address thanks to marketing sherpa
Speaker 3: for that one. I want to say, Everyone gives The
Speaker 3: Dark Knight a lot of credit for that ARG kind
Speaker 3: of Joker marketing, but this was really like one of
Speaker 3: those earliest kind of viral marketing moments on the internet.
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman was not the original Wolverine. This is, of course,
Speaker 1: famous lore. He was hired into the movie when it
Speaker 1: was already underway. Doug Ray Scott was cast and was
Speaker 1: playing Wolverine. The movie was shooting, but because Mission Impossible
Speaker 1: 2 went over... He couldn't continue in the role. Ian
Speaker 1: McKellen has released his diaries from that period and from
Speaker 1: other periods of his career. And he wrote on November 10th, 1999, quote,
Speaker 1: now we have been filming for four weeks, continuing to
Speaker 1: describe that a new actor has appeared on the scene.
Speaker 1: And it was Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman's qualifications for the
Speaker 1: most feral character of Marvel Comics was a year of
Speaker 1: singing Oh, What a Beautiful Morning. He had just finished
Speaker 1: playing Curly in Trevor Nunn's production of Oklahoma at the
Speaker 1: Royal National Theater, and he got an Oliver nomination for it.
Speaker 3: Grant Morrison's Our Fave and Frank Quietly's New X-Men pitch
Speaker 3: document credits the film with the X-Team's costume change in
Speaker 3: the comics.
Speaker 2: The movie had it almost right.
Speaker 3: Then argues for yellow paneling, if only to avoid the
Speaker 3: dull black leather look of every film superhero, specifying pop art,
Speaker 3: they glow yellow, the kind cyclists and bikers wear to
Speaker 3: be seen. He also wrote that X-Men had become a
Speaker 3: watchword for undiluted geekery before the movie gave us another
Speaker 3: electroshock jolt.
Speaker 2: That it did.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the recap after this. And we're back. X-Men,
Speaker 1: year 2000. I could not have been more excited for
Speaker 1: this movie. And its opening fulfilled every hope that I had. Poland, 1944.
Speaker 1: It's raining at the concentration camp. People are being sorted
Speaker 1: into groups. Adults separated from children. A boy is separated
Speaker 1: from his parents. He cries out. He's reaching for them, screaming, crying.
Speaker 1: Guards come. They're trying to wrestle him back into his line.
Speaker 1: And then the iron gate separating him from his parents
Speaker 1: starts to like buckle and groan and brah. And the
Speaker 1: guards can't hold him back. But then finally a rifle
Speaker 1: butt to the boy's head knocks him out, makes it
Speaker 1: all stop. And then we get a shot of the
Speaker 1: gate and it's just wrecked. Honestly, to this day, maybe
Speaker 1: the best. character introduction in a superhero film.
Speaker 2: Literally, I would totally agree with you, Jason.
Speaker 3: It is something that at the time felt so rooted
Speaker 3: in real history and the horrors of what had happened
Speaker 3: and something that, you know, 26 years later feels horribly
Speaker 3: timely right now. It is stunning and it establishes Magneto
Speaker 3: and his wants and his needs and his, what drives him,
Speaker 3: his trauma and so well and what he has seen
Speaker 3: and what he wants to stop at any cost it
Speaker 3: is just unbelievably fucking cathartic and great as soon as
Speaker 3: I watched it I was just like wow yeah this
Speaker 3: is like that's a sale on how to get someone
Speaker 3: in on a cold open.
Speaker 1: We get Charles Xavier's narration explaining that mutation is the
Speaker 1: key to our evolution and the process is usually very
Speaker 1: slow but that every few hundred millennia there is a
Speaker 1: massive leap forward and we open on on a bedroom
Speaker 1: in Meridian, Mississippi, present day for, so the year 1999,
Speaker 1: a girl, a young girl named Marie is in her
Speaker 1: bedroom with her boyfriend, David. They're getting ready for a
Speaker 1: road trip. She's very excited about it. They're going to
Speaker 1: go up to Niagara Falls, the Canadian Rockies, and then
Speaker 1: up from there across Canada, I guess, to Anchorage, Alaska,
Speaker 1: and they kiss, and his eyes roll back, he passes out,
Speaker 1: starts to convulse, and she is horrified. We have another
Speaker 1: voice over this scene, the voice of Jean Grey, saying
Speaker 1: that mutations tend to manifest at puberty, often during stressful
Speaker 1: or sometimes exciting situations, and we cut to Jean at
Speaker 1: a Senate hearing, She's testifying against the Mutant Registration Act,
Speaker 1: and Senator Robert Kelly does not believe any of this shit.
Speaker 1: He's like, mutants are dangerous. Shouldn't we keep track of them?
Speaker 1: Gene says, we don't need to do that. We don't
Speaker 1: need to treat them like dangerous weapons. Kelly says, well,
Speaker 1: we license people to drive. Gene says, yeah, but we
Speaker 1: don't license them to live. Kelly then produces a list
Speaker 1: of identified mutants in the United States, and what they
Speaker 1: can do, including a girl in Illinois who can walk
Speaker 1: through walls, Kitty Pryde.
Speaker 2: Kitty Pryde.
Speaker 1: What if she walks into a bank vault? What if
Speaker 1: she goes to the White House? He says. And he
Speaker 1: adds that there are rumors of mutants who can control
Speaker 1: your mind and make you do what they want. And
Speaker 1: he closes by saying, mutants are real. Mutants are among us.
Speaker 1: We must know who they are. We must know what
Speaker 1: they could do. Who is watching in the gallery? Of course,
Speaker 1: Professor Charles Xavier is watching, as is The now grown-up
Speaker 1: Eric Lencher, all grown-up, white-haired, looking great. Immaculate. They look beautiful.
Speaker 1: They meet in the corridor afterwards, and they do the
Speaker 1: scene from our cold open in which Charles is basically like, hey,
Speaker 1: give the humans a chance. They'll come around. This is
Speaker 1: such a great scene. And this movie, here's my two
Speaker 1: critiques of this movie watching today.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: It feels dated in how Logan focused it is. It's
Speaker 1: so Wolverine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a different time.
Speaker 1: It was a different time. Wolverine was clearly the biggest
Speaker 1: star of the X-Men. And two, if we did this today,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, let's make it three hours and we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it. We can really give
Speaker 1: everybody their own moment.
Speaker 2: But I do have to say, I want.
Speaker 3: To shout out, I was thinking about this so much
Speaker 3: as I rewatched these, John Wright and Kevin Stitt are
Speaker 3: the editors on this. The editing in this movie is
Speaker 3: unbelievable because if you're really thinking about a movie that's
Speaker 3: not three hours, that doesn't have all that time, that's
Speaker 3: not an MC, this is so pre the MCU, that
Speaker 3: hasn't been the slow build in of different characters. This
Speaker 3: opening like 20 minutes of just introducing different mutants and
Speaker 3: where they are with the voiceover, it works so well
Speaker 3: as a exposition download for people who aren't as familiar
Speaker 3: while also kind of just hitting the big beats for
Speaker 3: people who are. It's really smartly done.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. You know, at the time I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: I just wish there was more time for everybody else.
Speaker 1: But to your point, it really, really well put together felt. Um,
Speaker 1: we go up to Alberta, Canada. There's a cage fighting bar.
Speaker 1: The current house champ at the bar is a guy
Speaker 1: with weird kind of like, I don't know. How would
Speaker 1: we describe Wolverine's hairstyle? I had never seen anything like
Speaker 1: that before. Obviously Star Fox is the only other guy
Speaker 1: that I've never seen look like that.
Speaker 3: If you have, I would, how I would describe it
Speaker 3: to someone, cause this is a podcast and we obviously
Speaker 3: can't show you a picture. It's like if you saw
Speaker 3: like a rockabilly who had the two tubes that were
Speaker 3: kind of like as part of his pompadour, but he
Speaker 3: unrolled them. So each one looked like a devil's horn,
Speaker 3: but they kind of came together like a love heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker 3: And I absolutely love that in this movie where they
Speaker 3: make everything so grounded to a point right it's not
Speaker 3: like Tom King lanterns like grim and gritty true detective
Speaker 3: but it is like real world no crazy spandex suits
Speaker 3: where we've got militarized costumes there's a political landscape set
Speaker 3: around our powers it's so funny that the one thing
Speaker 3: they committed to was his hair always had to be
Speaker 3: in that style.
Speaker 2: In the first movie because it really.
Speaker 3: Is no matter what happens to him his hair stays magical.
Speaker 1: Yes Well, Wolverine's just beating the shit out of everybody. Everyone.
Speaker 1: They punch him and their hands break. A guy who
Speaker 1: has apparently been losing a lot of money betting against
Speaker 1: Wolverine all night confronts him and basically accuses him of
Speaker 1: being a mutant. Wolverine pops his adamantium claws at the
Speaker 1: guy's fucking neck.
Speaker 2: Proving it. Proving it.
Speaker 1: And then he gets thrown out of the bar at
Speaker 1: shotgun point. He goes to his camper and he finds Rogue.
Speaker 1: Marie hiding out there. They have a brief argument. She
Speaker 1: saved his life during the fight. That's like an important
Speaker 1: thing is like, she basically, the guy, well, the guy
Speaker 1: has a knife. She thinks she saved his life. Right.
Speaker 2: She's like, look out.
Speaker 3: So she thinks she has a, like, she's not just
Speaker 3: like stowing away. She's like, Hey, you owe me, you know?
Speaker 3: And that kind of sets up the notion of, of
Speaker 3: their relationship, even though he knows he would have probably survived.
Speaker 1: So he lets her hitch a ride. They talk, About stuff.
Speaker 1: They talk about his dog tags. He tells her that
Speaker 1: his claws hurt his hands every time they come out.
Speaker 2: Crazy drop. That changed it. Jason, do the description.
Speaker 3: I'll be rogue.
Speaker 2: Does it hurt?
Speaker 1: Every time.
Speaker 3: When they said that in the cinema, like we were
Speaker 3: saying that shit for years after in the playground.
Speaker 1: Crazy. So he introduces himself as Logan and just then
Speaker 1: a tree falls across the highway and Wolverine, Logan goes
Speaker 1: out to investigate. He sniffs the air. He smells something
Speaker 1: really bad and weird. And then he gets like, boom, hit, bang,
Speaker 1: baseball bat style by a tree trunk held by a
Speaker 1: large man dressed caveman style and animal skins and long
Speaker 1: hair and claws of his own. This is Sabretooth. But
Speaker 1: before Sabretooth can like grab Rogue.
Speaker 2: who.
Speaker 1: Is in the camper that is catching fire at this
Speaker 1: very moment. There's like the wind picks up and the
Speaker 1: fog drops and storm and Cyclops are there and Cyclops
Speaker 1: shoots an optic blast, which scares, Sabretooth immediately just chickens out.
Speaker 2: He's like, nope.
Speaker 1: Logan wakes up on the exam table at the X
Speaker 1: mansion in Westchester County, New York. And Charles is like, hello.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello, Logan. Good to see you. I'd like to introduce
Speaker 1: you to my friends. This is Storm. This is Aurora Monroe,
Speaker 1: otherwise known as Storm. This is Scott, otherwise known as Cyclops.
Speaker 1: And this is Jean, who has no codename.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have a codename. She's not Marvel Girl. She's not,
Speaker 2: you know, she's not. We call her Jean. She's just Jean.
Speaker 2: She's just Jean Grey because I'm trying to keep her powers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then Logan drops his sick zinger. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then, yeah, Logan's like, what are you? Who are you?
Speaker 3: Wheels?
Speaker 1: Which is very funny.
Speaker 2: This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Then he grabs Scott by the lapels and is like,
Speaker 1: get out of my way. I love this. moment because
Speaker 1: scott is also like not worried about it he's just
Speaker 1: kind of like he looks at the professor like you
Speaker 1: want me to fuck this guy up or no yeah
Speaker 1: xavier lets him go wolverine kind of like is about
Speaker 1: to head for the exits but then xavier stops him
Speaker 1: by saying how long has it been logan 15 years
Speaker 1: no memory no history roaming around from place to place
Speaker 1: place just you know wanting to know the truth about
Speaker 1: yourself charles promises logan let me show you around the
Speaker 1: school And then give us 48 hours to figure out
Speaker 1: why Magneto wants you. And then I will help you
Speaker 1: find out about your past. Let's take the tour. They
Speaker 1: take the tour. He shows them the classrooms where Rogue
Speaker 1: is currently turning Bobby Drake straight.
Speaker 2: That's her power, the power of Anna Paquin. What can
Speaker 2: you do? What can you do?
Speaker 1: They go to the Blackbird hangar. He shows them the hangar.
Speaker 1: They go to the fucking riding stables.
Speaker 2: Why do they have those?
Speaker 1: They go to Cerebro. All the while, he's giving him
Speaker 1: the history of... Me and my boyfriend. Me and my boyfriend, Magneto.
Speaker 1: He helped me build this place and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: We go to Senator Kelly. Senator Kelly is in his helicopter,
Speaker 1: and he's making phone calls. He's whipping votes for the
Speaker 1: Mutant Registration Act. Well, you're a gun registration guy. You
Speaker 1: should be for this, this, and that, and the other. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: his assistant, Henry Gyrick... is watching him from across the
Speaker 1: helicopter and, you know, they make some small talk. Kelly
Speaker 1: looks out the window and he's like, why the fuck
Speaker 1: are we over the open ocean? And boom, he looks back.
Speaker 1: Henry Gyrick is Mystique. Mystique, like, chokes him Who wrote this?
Speaker 1: Like a foot fetish?
Speaker 2: I'm saying. No, no, no. Look. Wait, hold on.
Speaker 1: Mystique grabs him with her feet around his neck, holds
Speaker 1: him there, then does like a pat, pat, pat, pat, pat,
Speaker 1: gives him like a one, two, three, four with the
Speaker 1: heels and the face and knocks him out and then
Speaker 1: pilots the helicopter alongside Toad. This was like very feisty.
Speaker 3: Jason, there's a lot of stuff in this movie which,
Speaker 3: you know, is suspect when you watch it as an adult,
Speaker 3: or at least heavily fetishized.
Speaker 2: Yes, lots of feet and lots of mystique.
Speaker 3: I will say one thing I do love on re-watching
Speaker 3: these is, despite the inevitable... like crazy fetish and the
Speaker 3: mystique stuff is especially like, whoa, sexy. I love how
Speaker 3: they also like never afraid to make her really scary.
Speaker 3: Like she always has the terrifying yellow eyes. They're like,
Speaker 3: if you want to have sex with this monster and
Speaker 3: her feet, she's a monster.
Speaker 2: Like she still looks fucked up.
Speaker 1: Her hands, her nails, like her hands are kind of
Speaker 1: like weird.
Speaker 2: Like scaled.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Back at the mansion, Logan has begun flirting with
Speaker 1: Jean as she's pressing like, probes to his hairy, muscled
Speaker 1: chest to do an MRI scan on his metal skeleton.
Speaker 1: And we get our first look at his metal skeleton.
Speaker 1: Gene is like, well, he survived this process because he
Speaker 1: has an incredible healing factor. He's basically unkillable. And also,
Speaker 1: he could be any age. We have no idea. He's
Speaker 1: probably older than Professor. We just simply don't know. We
Speaker 1: go back to the Brotherhood base. Kelly is in his
Speaker 1: weird little I don't know, like almost like a Gandalfian
Speaker 1: prison at the hands of Sour Man type thing. It's
Speaker 1: very old school for sure. He watches Toad eat a bird,
Speaker 1: which makes him pretty sick. Magneto comes over, introduces himself.
Speaker 1: We learn that Henry Garrick has been dead for many
Speaker 1: months now. And Mag gives Kelly his like, kind of
Speaker 1: quick version of his mutant supremacist ideology is like, we're
Speaker 1: better than you. You're insects. You, you know, you've evolved
Speaker 1: into us. And the fact that you think that you're
Speaker 1: going to control us is actually fucking crazy. Come over.
Speaker 1: He like pulls him over in a metal chair, get
Speaker 1: into position so that he can test his weird machine
Speaker 1: on him. And the machine has like two control panels
Speaker 1: that Magneto places his hands on. And that part of it,
Speaker 1: the control panel is, section is like inside two rotating
Speaker 1: wheels cool set piece he goes inside he powers it
Speaker 1: up you can tell it's really taking a lot of
Speaker 1: Magneto's power he's like and he powers up the device
Speaker 1: such that it emits this like bubble of white mucousy
Speaker 1: energy that envelops Kelly and we find out what it
Speaker 1: does later back at the school Logan's still fucking with
Speaker 1: Jean just always around her sniffing her finding a reason
Speaker 1: to be around her he's like you know why don't
Speaker 1: you read my memories so she uh she's like okay
Speaker 1: she places her hands on the sides of his head
Speaker 1: and she gets these flashes of bad weapon x stuff
Speaker 1: you know laboratory and bubbling green water and like a
Speaker 1: man with a weird visor She gasps. Almost erotically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's very like, I can't believe he's gone.
Speaker 1: Through so much. He's so traumatized.
Speaker 2: He's so tough and vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. And just then, Scott is in the doorway.
Speaker 1: And he and Logan, she, Jean is like, I got
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, sorry, guys. Leave me to it.
Speaker 1: And he and Scott have a little spat about whose
Speaker 1: girl it is and this, that, and the other. That night.
Speaker 1: Logan has a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
Speaker 1: Further images of the lab and the terrible experiments that
Speaker 1: he underwent. He's, like, groaning, gasping, and barking. This cracks
Speaker 1: me up.
Speaker 2: He's like, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.
Speaker 3: Literally, like, Charles Xavier's going around putting fucking mind memory
Speaker 3: blocks on everyone's powers, but he doesn't just watch Jean
Speaker 3: Grey just going into this man's mind when they're having
Speaker 3: a little flirtation.
Speaker 2: Like, come on. This is about to cause a class
Speaker 2: action lawsuit. What is Charles doing?
Speaker 1: What is he doing?
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Rogue hears, I guess, from the hallway, Logan barking and
Speaker 1: shit in his sleep.
Speaker 2: And she's like, better go in there. Yeah, gotta go
Speaker 2: check on him.
Speaker 1: She comes over, like, goes to his, gets on his
Speaker 1: bed and is like, Logan, Logan, wake up. Logan, not realizing,
Speaker 1: you know, not understanding what's going on and really in
Speaker 1: the grips of this absolutely terrible nightmare, wakes up, pops
Speaker 1: his claws and stabs Rogue clear through the chest.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: Claws coming out of her back. And he's like, oh
Speaker 1: my God, help, help, help. Rogue instinctively reaches out, grabs
Speaker 1: his face, steals his healing factor and heals herself. And
Speaker 1: then everybody comes in. They see Rogue with her fucking
Speaker 1: nightie torn off.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sitting on Logan's bed. Logan passed out on the ground.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm so sorry. She's very embarrassed. She runs away. Okay, wait.
Speaker 2: I got to just stop us here for a second
Speaker 2: because I need to say something.
Speaker 3: If your child was stabbed through the chest at Xavier's
Speaker 3: school for gifted youngsters, you can call X-Ray Vision and
Speaker 3: get fucking help. Jason, how is every child not getting
Speaker 3: pulled out of school after this random hobo is let
Speaker 3: into the school?
Speaker 2: They don't tell the parents, right?
Speaker 1: It's very clear that Charles is like, listen, it's almost like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen the clip of
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier, who is an MMA fighter, talking to Khabib.
Speaker 1: who is this fighter from Dagestan who is like telling
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier, your son, if you want your son to
Speaker 1: be high level wrestler, send him two, three years to Dagestan.
Speaker 1: Forget about it. This is like the Charles Xavier program.
Speaker 2: No questions. Sign the NDA. If they come back with
Speaker 2: no arm, it's fine. Two, three years Dagestan and don't.
Speaker 1: Worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's like three knives through the chest. It's okay.
Speaker 3: They can steal someone else's healing powers. That's why he's
Speaker 3: always picking up orphans.
Speaker 2: This motherfucker's worse than Batman.
Speaker 1: Back at the Brotherhood base, Kelly realizes his body is
Speaker 1: turning into this rubbery, gelatinous material. He presses himself through
Speaker 1: his prison bar's falls into the ocean waters below, and escapes.
Speaker 1: The next day, and Sabretooth.
Speaker 2: Is like, not the smartest guy, by the way, to
Speaker 2: be in charge. Dude, why did they have him as
Speaker 2: the god?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's useless.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the next day, he washes up on shore
Speaker 1: in this kind of like jellyfish kind of form, looking
Speaker 1: really gross, kids running from him. At the X-Mansion, Mystique,
Speaker 1: disguised as Bobby, sits next to Rogue on a bench
Speaker 1: and is like, God, you know, everybody's really mad at you.
Speaker 1: You really fucked up. Everybody's talking shit about you. And
Speaker 1: by the way, the professor hates you now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to say Sean Ashmore ate that shit up
Speaker 3: because every single time I watch this, I'm like, how
Speaker 3: could he say this to her?
Speaker 2: Why is he saying this to her?
Speaker 3: And I always forget it's Mystique.
Speaker 2: He sells the shit out of that scene. It's really mean.
Speaker 2: And you totally get why she runs away.
Speaker 1: She runs away. Xavier realizes she's gone. He couldn't feel
Speaker 1: like Logan having an, massive nightmare and stabbing her through
Speaker 1: the chest. But he immediately is like, he just kind
Speaker 1: of like looks and he's like, she's gone. And then
Speaker 1: he goes to Cerebro to find her. Logan follows him.
Speaker 1: Xavier admits that, you know, I've been trying to find
Speaker 1: Magneto with this thing for months, but I can't because
Speaker 1: Magneto knows how Cerebro works because he helped me build it.
Speaker 1: Logan asks Jean if she's ever used Cerebro and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't have enough control. Charles finds Rogue. She's at
Speaker 1: the train station, which you think they could have just
Speaker 1: gone there.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Don't even get me started.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the most obvious place to check first?
Speaker 2: For a child, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. Logan goes and sits with Rogue on the train.
Speaker 1: They have a heart-to-heart and both apologize to each other
Speaker 1: about everything that happened. She's like, the professor's mad at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, where'd you hear that? Meanwhile, at the same time,
Speaker 1: Mystique is still slithering around the mansion as Bobby. Okay.
Speaker 1: She turns into the professor, gets access to Cerebro, and
Speaker 1: puts some kind of weird goo in it and sabotages it.
Speaker 1: Logan tells Rogue, listen, whatever you want to do, I
Speaker 1: support you. If you want to run, go ahead. I
Speaker 1: support you. If you want to stay, I think you
Speaker 1: should stay. And this is really well done because it's
Speaker 1: like we kind of realize before them that actually the
Speaker 1: school is exactly what they need. They need to be
Speaker 1: around people like them. And Logan realizes it in that moment,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what? I think you should
Speaker 1: stay there, because I think Charles Xavier is on the
Speaker 1: up and up, and I think you should be around.
Speaker 1: Then the Brotherhood attacks. Sabretooth chokes Storm at the ticket counter.
Speaker 1: Toad steals Cyclops's ruby quartz glasses, with which he cannot
Speaker 1: control his powers, and he blasts the roof off the
Speaker 1: train station.
Speaker 3: Which feels like design flaw. Just, like, make them unstealable.
Speaker 3: They should be strapped on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be glued to your head, to be honest. Like,
Speaker 2: it's fucking prosthetics. Like, come on, my guy. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But that allows Storm to call down the lightning, frying
Speaker 1: Sabretooth really bad. But he's, like, not hurt that badly. Anyway, meanwhile, Magneto, like,
Speaker 1: in an incredible set-piece design of his powers, peels the
Speaker 1: train like a banana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like a sardine kin just like.
Speaker 1: Flies in, easily discards Logan because his body's full of metal.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, look at you, fucking tough guy, and
Speaker 1: then just flings him away.
Speaker 3: And they do the little nod to the crucifixion because
Speaker 3: he's in like the Jesus pose and they have him
Speaker 3: kind of thrown through the train.
Speaker 1: Stretching his claws out. And then he like. hits Rogue
Speaker 1: with like a little tranq dart and that's it. Captures her.
Speaker 3: Gotta say, again, strategy wise, Magneto, I don't think you're
Speaker 3: winning the mutants over by drugging them and doing this.
Speaker 2: It's like, I feel like you could convince them just
Speaker 2: with a little talk.
Speaker 1: I completely agree.
Speaker 2: Your argument's pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's walking out with Sabertooth and Toad carrying Rogue in
Speaker 1: a bag. But he realizes that there's cops all around now.
Speaker 1: Cops have obviously been called. And he just like easily
Speaker 1: T2 style like fucks them up. Like dropping cars on them,
Speaker 1: ripping their guns out of their hand, the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Doing like bullet, crazy bullet tricks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing. But before he can go too far,
Speaker 1: Charles takes over Sabretooth and Toad and then grabs Magneto
Speaker 1: with Sabretooth's hand around his neck. And there's like a
Speaker 1: brief negotiation. He's like, you know, he begins to have
Speaker 1: Toad walk away with Rogue. And then he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: stop this, blah, blah, blah, blah, that same old argument.
Speaker 1: But then Magneto's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to shoot
Speaker 1: this fucking cop with this bullet. You can't stop all
Speaker 1: these bullets from hitting the cops.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Charles is like, well, I guess I gotta let him go.
Speaker 1: And so he lets them.
Speaker 2: Walk to the helicopter.
Speaker 3: Don't negotiate with terrorists, Charles Xavier, even when they're your boyfriend. Especially,
Speaker 3: that could have gone a different way.
Speaker 2: That was a very soft choice.
Speaker 1: Very soft by Charles.
Speaker 2: Very soft. Too soft, one could argue. Like Magneto.
Speaker 1: They fly off in Kelly's helicopter. Kelly makes his way
Speaker 1: to the X-Mansion. Jean examines him and reports that he's
Speaker 1: been mutated somehow. But the mutation is very unstable and
Speaker 1: his cells are breaking down and he's going to die.
Speaker 1: And they realize kind of now what Magneto's plan is.
Speaker 1: Kelly has this conversation, quite heartfelt conversation with Storm as
Speaker 1: she's tending to him.
Speaker 3: I love this scene on rewatch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where he's like, do you hate humans? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes I do. And he's like, why? And she says, well,
Speaker 1: I suppose like I'm afraid of them. And he tells her, well,
Speaker 1: it looks like you're going to have one less person
Speaker 1: to be afraid of. And then he turns to watery goon.
Speaker 3: In like a David Cronenberg-esque horror scene I remember when
Speaker 3: I watched that as like I guess I was 12
Speaker 3: when this movie came out so I really remember that
Speaker 3: scene sticking with me and even when I rewatched it
Speaker 3: this time it goes on for a couple of seconds
Speaker 3: longer than I think the MCU would do it like
Speaker 3: you see his face kind of falling and his mouth
Speaker 3: opening before he pops and Storm just runs out of
Speaker 3: there like Usain Bolt like she's like fuck this shit
Speaker 3: and she's just like out So funny.
Speaker 1: Logan kind of figures out the rest. The machine that
Speaker 1: Magneto built runs on Magneto's power, but because it nearly
Speaker 1: killed him, he's going to use Rogue to steal his
Speaker 1: power so that she can run it. Real coward shit.
Speaker 1: Xavier goes back to Cerebro to kind of pinpoint where
Speaker 1: they might be, but of course, whatever Mystique did to Cerebro...
Speaker 1: was very effective and he collapses. So he'll be comatose
Speaker 1: for the active part of the mission.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 3: And I just want to say, this is a sequence
Speaker 3: that sums up what I think this movie does really
Speaker 3: well when it comes to efficiency.
Speaker 2: Because you're right, Jason, there's some characters who I wish
Speaker 2: we'd get more time with.
Speaker 3: Yes, for sure. But what they don't waste time with it,
Speaker 3: they never have to do like a five minute scene
Speaker 3: about how the machine works. It's all done in like
Speaker 3: a couple of sentences. Why did the goo work? Because
Speaker 3: it fucking worked. And Magneto and Mystique are two steps ahead.
Speaker 3: Like the plausible deniability- that they build into the storytelling
Speaker 3: where you just.
Speaker 2: Absolutely believe it.
Speaker 3: I was really thinking like, I'm so fucking impressed they
Speaker 3: didn't do a, what's the machine? Who made it?
Speaker 2: How does it work? Because that's such a big part
Speaker 2: of storytelling now.
Speaker 3: So it was very fun here to just see them
Speaker 3: believe in the audience and let this kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not really a MacGuffin because they're not chasing it,
Speaker 3: but it's also like, you don't need to know much
Speaker 3: about it. It's just the mutant machine. I thought that
Speaker 3: worked so well.
Speaker 1: Jean fixes Cerebro and then uses it to find Rogue
Speaker 1: and Mag, but of course, it takes a lot out
Speaker 1: of her. We learn that they're at the Statue of
Speaker 1: Liberty where there's a UN summit going on one mile away.
Speaker 1: And so it seems like Magneto's plan is to turn
Speaker 1: all these international dignitaries into mutants.
Speaker 3: Sick.
Speaker 1: The X-Men head to the island for the big showdown.
Speaker 1: Magneto has placed the machine all the way at the
Speaker 1: top of the Statue of Liberty. And there are several
Speaker 1: fun fights, including Wolverine versus Mystique, which ends when he
Speaker 1: stabs her in the guts. And Storm frying Toad, delivering
Speaker 1: that line, that Desmodona-ish line in which, you know what
Speaker 1: happens when a frog is struck by lightning? Same thing
Speaker 1: that happens to everything else.
Speaker 2: Sick!
Speaker 1: The X-Men make their way to the top of the statue,
Speaker 1: but then Magneto wraps everybody up in the copper from
Speaker 1: the skin of the statue.
Speaker 2: They should have seen that coming.
Speaker 1: Should have seen that coming. Positions Logan like with his
Speaker 1: claw knuckles pointed at his own chest and positions Scott
Speaker 1: looking at Jean without his visor so that if he
Speaker 1: opens up his eyes, he'll kill her.
Speaker 2: And then- Maggio's so crazy for that one.
Speaker 1: So crazy for that one. And then Aurora can't really
Speaker 1: do anything because it's like a very small room. He
Speaker 1: goes up to the machine. He gets Rogue over there.
Speaker 1: They're about to start the whole thing. In desperation, Logan
Speaker 1: pops his claws into his own chest, and he should
Speaker 1: have just done this immediately. Takes a second, but he
Speaker 1: does heal up. The X-Men get free by, you know,
Speaker 1: Gene floats Scott's visor in front of his face, and
Speaker 1: then he opens his eyes and manages to knock Sabretooth
Speaker 1: out of the way. Logan has a showdown with Sabretooth
Speaker 1: on the top of the of the Statue of Liberty,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: You can really tell that was like an important comic
Speaker 3: book rivalry for them to build it.
Speaker 1: Huge rivalry.
Speaker 3: Because it's such a big, big part of this movie
Speaker 3: in a way that does not necessarily represent who Sabretooth
Speaker 3: is if you move him away from Wolverine.
Speaker 1: It's really the core of the showdown. Yeah. Magneto steals
Speaker 1: Rogue's power and then puts her in the machine and
Speaker 1: so the machine is spinning up and Magneto is weakened,
Speaker 1: but he's not like fully out of it. Logan defeats
Speaker 1: Sabretooth and is like, okay, what do I do? What
Speaker 1: do we do? What do we do? They figure it out,
Speaker 1: Storm floats Wolverine up to the machine with Gene steadying him.
Speaker 2: Like a little baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Logan jumps down into the machine and he pops
Speaker 1: his claws and he's going to smash it. But then
Speaker 1: Magneto is still in it. He's very weak, but he's
Speaker 1: still in it. And so he's holding Logan's claws back
Speaker 1: and Cyclops is like, I can shoot him. And Gene
Speaker 1: is like, no, you'll hit the machine. And Cyclops is like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm taking the shot. Takes the shot, hits Magneto,
Speaker 1: but also the machine breaks into a million pieces.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: The energies of the machine has turned Rogue's hair white,
Speaker 1: which was delightful. Incredible moment in the theater.
Speaker 2: It also works.
Speaker 3: A lot of times, like later on in this franchise,
Speaker 3: they try and give moments like, why is Charles Xavier bald?
Speaker 2: And it doesn't work and it becomes a meme.
Speaker 3: But this works so well because Rogue won at Anna
Speaker 3: Paquin's Amazing.
Speaker 2: She's coming off an Oscar. And also, it just feels earned.
Speaker 2: She's gone through so much. They were using her powers.
Speaker 2: Now she has the iconic hair. Boom.
Speaker 3: Great moment in the theater. Great moment when you rewatch it.
Speaker 3: So fun.
Speaker 1: The energy bubble that was like moving towards Ellis Island
Speaker 1: and the UN dignitaries stops, but Rogue is like out
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe she's dead. Who knows? Logan takes her
Speaker 1: glove off and touches her hand to his face and
Speaker 1: lets her steal his powers so that she heals again.
Speaker 1: We flash forward to the mansion now. Logan is like,
Speaker 1: fucking king shit in the mansion.
Speaker 2: Everything went well. Everybody's alive.
Speaker 1: Gene wants to fuck him. Cyclops is impressed.
Speaker 3: Rogue is like, Unfortunately, also wants to fuck him, which
Speaker 3: is the unfortunate subtext of.
Speaker 2: This entire movie, thanks to the director.
Speaker 3: There is a moment on the train where they play
Speaker 3: a romantic moment when they catch each other's eyes.
Speaker 2: Like, we know what you were doing. But anyway, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, she goes into his bedroom and gets on
Speaker 1: his bed. Literally.
Speaker 3: Anyway. In her, like, sexy nightgown.
Speaker 1: But anyway.
Speaker 2: The good thing is Logan's heart belongs to another, as
Speaker 2: we know.
Speaker 1: He wants Jean, but he realizes he can't really have her.
Speaker 1: And anyway, Charles told him about Alkali Lake, where he'll
Speaker 1: find some answers. So he's heading there and he leaves. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: in the plastic prison, which houses Magneto now, Charles and
Speaker 1: Magneto are in there playing chess. talking about philosophy and
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Most toxic situationship these two ever.
Speaker 3: They just like flirt by putting each other in jail
Speaker 3: or in fucking wheelchair.
Speaker 2: Like, come on, guys.
Speaker 1: This is so bad. It will get even more toxic
Speaker 1: in the second movie.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: But let's take a quick break. And when we come back,
Speaker 1: we will talk about why do we think this movie
Speaker 1: is included in the Doomsday Study list?
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And we're back. Fun movie. I still love it. It
Speaker 1: moves at such a quick pace.
Speaker 3: I loved it on every I you know, this is
Speaker 3: a movie I've rewatched so many times, definitely in the deep,
Speaker 3: deep double figures at this point. So I would say like,
Speaker 3: I definitely have taken a break from it in recent years.
Speaker 3: Like I probably only watch it once a year or something,
Speaker 3: which for me is not that much for a rewatch.
Speaker 3: But I felt like watching it this time, I was
Speaker 3: just really charmed by it. Looked great on the TV,
Speaker 3: super fun, great character work. Like we know that we're
Speaker 3: going to get another X-Men. So maybe that's why I'm
Speaker 3: feeling so nostalgic about this because this Before, when you
Speaker 3: only have one, you critique it a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh, we wanted this. We want to see this.
Speaker 3: Well, now we get this one and we get another one,
Speaker 3: which can give us hope for something different. So we
Speaker 3: just get to enjoy this one. So yeah, it looks great.
Speaker 3: The set pieces are incredible. But you know what really
Speaker 3: stood out to me? It's that character work. The first
Speaker 3: two acts where they build Logan and they build Rogue
Speaker 3: and they build Jean and even just like Rogue getting
Speaker 3: a crush on Bobby. By the time you get to
Speaker 3: the set pieces, you just care about the characters so much.
Speaker 3: And the set pieces are amazing, but you really want
Speaker 3: to live in the school and be a part of
Speaker 3: the team. And I think that is the most, that's
Speaker 3: the thing that made us want to read the original comics,
Speaker 3: you know, whether it was the Stanley Jack Kirby stuff
Speaker 3: or the Lemween, Dave Cockrum, like whatever, Chris Claremont, whoever
Speaker 3: it was. you want to be on the team and
Speaker 3: this movie makes you feel that even when they're up
Speaker 3: against the most terrifying, scary moments and villains.
Speaker 1: So what do you think it is that is important
Speaker 1: about X-Men that is on this list? Obviously there is
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, Charles Xavier and Magneto are
Speaker 1: in the trailer. So we understand that they will be there.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest connection, obviously. But anything else besides just like,
Speaker 1: know who these people are.
Speaker 2: I think that it is a big.
Speaker 3: Charles and Magneto are going to be there, so watch
Speaker 3: this movie. But on re-watching it, I was thinking about.
Speaker 1: And Cyclops.
Speaker 2: And Cyclops. We also, you know, we don't... It's a
Speaker 2: Marvel kind of.
Speaker 3: comeback movie you know so we don't know.
Speaker 2: Who else we could see pop up like we.
Speaker 3: Know that kelsey will be in it he's not in
Speaker 3: this movie you know we could even see halle berry
Speaker 3: it's a multiversal world you never know right but i
Speaker 3: actually really think that this is in there to reprime
Speaker 3: the audience for the kind of hated and feared mentality
Speaker 3: that the x-men bring and i think we've started to
Speaker 3: get that again in brand new day we've seen it
Speaker 3: with that jean gray I think rewatching this, it's basically
Speaker 3: rewatching the mythos of the X-Men. Understand who these people
Speaker 3: are as a roadmap for where the MCU is going
Speaker 3: to go. And also, I'm assuming that the relationship between
Speaker 3: Magneto and Charles is going to be key to whatever
Speaker 3: happens in Doomsday because they have a very similar mentality
Speaker 3: and relationship to Reed and Doom. So I think they're
Speaker 3: going to echo some stuff there. And I really do
Speaker 3: think it's a primer pick, but I love that it's
Speaker 3: the first pick.
Speaker 1: Me too. I agree with you. I think like looking,
Speaker 1: it is notable to me that the X3, Dark Phoenix,
Speaker 1: which the last, excuse me, X-Men The Last Stand.
Speaker 2: Or as we call it, X3.
Speaker 1: And also Days of Future Past and any of the
Speaker 1: other X-Men movies are not here. This tells me that
Speaker 1: we're going to be firmly in the world of these
Speaker 1: first X movies, the characters that existed then, the kind
Speaker 1: of more, the tighter circle of X characters. And I
Speaker 1: think I agree with you. I, this leaves me wondering
Speaker 1: if we're going to have an Illuminati and if that Illuminati,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Charles Xavier in the comics, I should add. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the Illuminati is, in the comics is a collection
Speaker 1: of the most powerful men.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Male heroes. We got to have the conversation. It's a
Speaker 1: collection of the most powerful male heroes in the 616.
Speaker 1: And so it's Black Panther, T'Challa, Charles Xavier, Tony, Captain
Speaker 1: America is there because of his leadership expertise, but everybody
Speaker 1: kind of is like, this guy's too much of a
Speaker 1: Boy Scout. We don't know if we trust him. Black Bolt,
Speaker 1: who else was on there?
Speaker 3: I think that there's been loads of different teams. The
Speaker 3: original Illuminati, I think Chachala actually might have turned them
Speaker 3: down at first because he was like, I don't know
Speaker 3: about this. Sounds kind of sus to me, but I would.
Speaker 1: Say that- No, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Black Bolt, Namor.
Speaker 3: Yeah so it was T'Challa wanted to turn them down
Speaker 3: but we've obviously seen a version of that in Multiverse
Speaker 3: of Madness but it was not as you mentioned it
Speaker 3: was not like a comics accurate version they all got
Speaker 3: killed off so I think it would be really interesting
Speaker 3: to see Charles and Reed potentially have put the starting
Speaker 3: seeds in place when Doom.
Speaker 2: Appears that would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think that If there is an Illuminati, it's clearly
Speaker 1: not an MCU 616 group. This is an alternate dimensional
Speaker 1: group of figures, which might include... I mean, we did
Speaker 1: see Hank McCoy, right, at the end of the Marvels.
Speaker 1: And we know that Kelsey Grammer is in this movie, right?
Speaker 3: And so is Mystique as well. And Mystique from the
Speaker 3: Fox universe. So there is going to be this different...
Speaker 3: universes appearing in our Marvel space.
Speaker 1: So it might be that there is this, already this
Speaker 1: alternate dimensional group that's trying to stop incursions and that
Speaker 1: that group includes Charles Xavier and potentially others, but potentially
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier of this timeline.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot, actually, and I think it
Speaker 3: does make sense that there would maybe be a narrative
Speaker 3: hook like that, especially because isn't the joke amongst all
Speaker 3: of us is like Patrick Stewart's Charles Xavier's always dying.
Speaker 2: Dead again, baby.
Speaker 3: But he's also the thread. Like 26 years is enough
Speaker 3: that we grew up with it. And now people our
Speaker 3: age as kids grew up with it. You know, like,
Speaker 3: so having Patrick Stewart potentially as that and kind of
Speaker 3: as that connection.
Speaker 2: Would be very clever.
Speaker 3: I would be interested to see how many new teams
Speaker 3: they are going to introduce because it does feel to
Speaker 3: me with Battle Worlds, like we could really be getting
Speaker 3: a lot of these kind of subgroups. And I mean,
Speaker 3: in that case, the team ups would be unbelievable. Jason,
Speaker 3: we know that Magneto and Charles are going to be
Speaker 3: in the movie along with Mystique. We've talked a lot
Speaker 3: about our feelings that old Mag and old Charles might
Speaker 3: not last that long. What do you think about Rebecca
Speaker 3: Romain Mystique? Because I feel like she's got legs, potentially.
Speaker 3: I don't... You think it's going to be a Days
Speaker 3: of Future Past opening massacre of the original X-Men?
Speaker 2: How do you see it go?
Speaker 1: I think that is a possibility. But I also think
Speaker 1: on rewatch, you know, it's very interesting to me that
Speaker 1: Eric's kind of ideology from this movie, which is like
Speaker 1: that we are strong and therefore we should win. And
Speaker 1: if the weaker, much more populous society, the humans, attack us,
Speaker 1: then we should destroy them. And I almost feel like,
Speaker 1: isn't that exactly what Doom is doing? Which makes me
Speaker 1: wonder if.
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's true, actually.
Speaker 1: Which makes me wonder if there isn't some connection between
Speaker 1: Doom and Magneto that is more than... just Magneto dying
Speaker 1: in the first five minutes of the movie.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that because I think in the case
Speaker 3: of Doomsday specifically, you could be onto something very interesting
Speaker 3: because we know that this version of Doom, and we've
Speaker 3: had me complain about it, so I'm going to try
Speaker 3: and be positive.
Speaker 2: But what we do know about it is they've.
Speaker 3: Decided it seems like during an incursion or because of
Speaker 3: the events of Endgame, I'm assuming it could have been
Speaker 3: any of the events. I don't actually think it's all
Speaker 3: going to be tied together. To Captain America, I think
Speaker 3: it's all the Avengers who were involved in moving the
Speaker 3: time stones. That led to Doom losing his family. What
Speaker 3: is the number one driver of Eric? It's losing his family,
Speaker 3: seeing the horrors of the Holocaust. So Eric and Doom could,
Speaker 3: in that way, find an alignment. Especially would be interesting
Speaker 3: if Eric has feelings about mutants versus mutates, which we
Speaker 3: know they kind of are.
Speaker 1: That's a good, you know, because here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think it would be not very effective and also kind
Speaker 1: of not the way Marvel does things to introduce Dr.
Speaker 3: Doom.
Speaker 1: He's just powerful. He appears on the scene. He's beating
Speaker 1: the shit out of everybody. Think about like the way they,
Speaker 1: we got a lot of Thanos's backstory and what turned
Speaker 1: into Thanos and how he became himself. I almost wonder
Speaker 1: if Doom is, watching what happened to the X-Men or
Speaker 1: talking to Magneto is part of the evolution of Doom deciding,
Speaker 1: you know what? Let me just run it. Let me
Speaker 1: take over. None of these heroes... Magneto, in a sense,
Speaker 1: was right. The strong should destroy the weak if the
Speaker 1: weak threaten the strong. If I have the power to...
Speaker 1: stop incursions by either destroying worlds or kind of forcing
Speaker 1: them together, then that's what I should do.
Speaker 3: And....
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, I think there has to be, right?
Speaker 1: We have to get some Doom backstory in this movie
Speaker 1: or else it kind of doesn't work. Oh, definitely.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 3: If you look at the last trailer and how heavy
Speaker 3: on Sue Storm it was, I'm also interested, this is
Speaker 3: kind of connecting again to why this is there. Do
Speaker 3: you think in the world of the Fantastic Four, that
Speaker 3: there are mutants like do you think this is going
Speaker 3: to be right I feel like this is going to
Speaker 3: be something that maybe the rest maybe the rest of
Speaker 3: the universe has a bit more of an understanding and
Speaker 3: an acceptance of I'll be interested to see Jason is
Speaker 3: there anything from this movie on rewatch like a little
Speaker 3: moment or anything where you were like okay I really
Speaker 3: want to see them come back to that or will
Speaker 3: we finally like is Kitty Pryde going to come back
Speaker 3: like is this actually we're watching the whole movie thinking
Speaker 3: it's a big picture but it's actually a nod to
Speaker 3: this like do you think there's something like that that
Speaker 3: we could get I mean.
Speaker 1: We'll say more when we do our X2 of course
Speaker 1: coverage but the striking thing about both of those this
Speaker 1: movie and X2 is how Logan centric they are which
Speaker 1: makes me feel like this it might be a I
Speaker 1: think you phrased it as a pretty chonky cameo I
Speaker 1: think we may see like a big big blowout last
Speaker 1: hurrah I think so Jackman as Wolverine in this film
Speaker 1: because I think if you knew nothing else except that
Speaker 1: these two films were on the list for prep to
Speaker 1: doomsday one pretty obvious takeaway might be Wolverine will be
Speaker 1: in this because he's like the main character.
Speaker 3: Of the movie actually that's such a good point Jason
Speaker 3: it's kind of the the trees hiding in the leaves
Speaker 3: or whatever because it's like Yeah, we're talking about all
Speaker 3: the other X-Men. We're talking about Charles, talking about Magneto.
Speaker 3: But in the 90s, as we've talked about a million
Speaker 3: times in the lead up to this movie, Wolverine's in
Speaker 3: over 200 comics. It gets to the point where they
Speaker 3: have to.
Speaker 1: Kill him off.
Speaker 2: He's so popular. And actually, you are so right.
Speaker 3: If you really are just watching these movies and you
Speaker 3: don't really know who any of these characters are, you're
Speaker 3: going to be like, well, obviously that guy with the
Speaker 3: brown hair and the claws is going to be in
Speaker 3: it because he's the main character. And I will say,
Speaker 3: at D23, I'm not sure if this was something they
Speaker 3: ended up releasing on YouTube, but I'm sure somebody filmed it.
Speaker 3: Before they showed the new Doomsday trailer, they did a
Speaker 3: bit where they had Hugh Jackman in a house kind
Speaker 3: of recording and they had Ryan Reynolds off screen like
Speaker 3: he was Deadpool trying to get them both in the movie.
Speaker 3: And Feige didn't say that they would be in the movie.
Speaker 3: In fact, they kind of afterwards were like, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not going to see everyone, guys. Like, sorry.
Speaker 2: But it obviously felt.
Speaker 3: Like a nod to the fact that they haven't acknowledged
Speaker 3: that those guys are not in the movie yet. And
Speaker 3: Jackman did a big bit where he was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't get a chair, like da-da-da-da-da.
Speaker 2: So who knows?
Speaker 1: He'll be in it. He's definitely in it. He must be.
Speaker 1: Any other, I mean, you know what that makes me
Speaker 1: think of, although this is a Messiah War bit. Let's go. Deadpool,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole, we're not going to go into it,
Speaker 1: but part of that is like it's a mission throughout
Speaker 1: different time periods streams and they send Deadpool into like
Speaker 1: a thousand years into the future to wait for the
Speaker 1: rest of the team to catch up in normal time.
Speaker 1: And Deadpool's like been in this like vault eating his
Speaker 1: own body because it regenerates for like centuries. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, I do wonder if there's not something of
Speaker 1: that stealing that if Deadpool is in this.
Speaker 2: That's actually really smart.
Speaker 3: Like they can utilize Deadpool. And like when, you know,
Speaker 3: the post credit scene could be like, you, you pop
Speaker 3: open the vault in a bank in the fucking battle worlds.
Speaker 3: And this motherfucker is just still there eating his toe
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: That's like, what's his plan?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I definitely think they could lean into it.
Speaker 3: I also just need to know the tone of the movie.
Speaker 2: Cause this movie is very serious. Jason X one is
Speaker 2: very serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very melodramatic.
Speaker 3: It very much fits in with what we're seeing of
Speaker 3: doomsday so far, but how does say a dead Paul
Speaker 3: fit into that? Like, does it have to be really bleak? Um,
Speaker 3: does he get, you know, his mouth sewn up? Do
Speaker 3: they do some kind of silly riff to the old though?
Speaker 3: I guess you would put extra in, in that case.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but what I do know is I'm
Speaker 3: very excited. And revisiting this was like, wow.
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts about elements from this film that might
Speaker 1: be important to doomsday?
Speaker 3: I think that the thing I really do want to
Speaker 3: see them do, because we haven't got on our Charles
Speaker 3: and Magneto yet, is I hope that whatever happens, something
Speaker 3: that just strikes me throughout this as much as we
Speaker 3: make jokes, you know, they're obviously like so toxic. But
Speaker 3: like that friendship and seeing the way that despite all
Speaker 3: their differences and putting each other in jail and shit,
Speaker 3: them like still being able to have the philosophical conversation
Speaker 3: over chess is, is so important to who they are
Speaker 3: and what they mean to the X-Men.
Speaker 2: I want to see them get that moment.
Speaker 3: I also want to know if our next generation of
Speaker 3: X-Men are going to interact with them or see them.
Speaker 3: That's the stuff I don't know. How many incursions are happening?
Speaker 3: Where are we going to see them? Is the X-Mansion
Speaker 3: getting thrown into somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Also, Jason, Aaron just put a great note in here.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a world.
Speaker 3: where part of the reason that this is included is
Speaker 3: because now we have the mutant inhibitor collar technology from
Speaker 3: fucking Peter Parker, that dumbass. Do you think that there's
Speaker 3: a world where they're introducing us to kind of making
Speaker 3: mutant technology, making more mutants, creating a weapon that creates mutants?
Speaker 3: Do you think it could be something like that in Doomsday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I will say that the fact that
Speaker 1: it's an X2 weapon Again, not any of the other
Speaker 1: X-Men movies. And these movies are keenly focused on a
Speaker 1: battle of ideologies. I do think when we get Secret
Speaker 1: Wars and Battleworld, one of these areas of the Battleworld,
Speaker 1: like in the comics, is going to be mutants win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has to be. Like Magneto rules. Like it's going
Speaker 1: to be House of M type thing.
Speaker 3: And in that way, what this movie could simply be
Speaker 3: here for, aside from the get to know these characters,
Speaker 3: establishing those ideologies again. Hey, if you don't know what
Speaker 3: Magneto's mutant supremacy is, you wouldn't understand why this world matters.
Speaker 3: But now you've watched this movie, you know exactly who
Speaker 3: Magnus is, you know exactly what it looks like, and
Speaker 3: you know why the humans are in chains.
Speaker 2: This is so fun, Jason. I can't believe we get
Speaker 2: to rewatch.
Speaker 3: All of these.
Speaker 1: Well, up next in this series will be X2 from 2003.
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