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Speaker 3: Indeed, we do lots to get to this morning.

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Speaker 2: So we've got the very latest with regard to the

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Speaker 2: investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassin. We're also going to break

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Speaker 2: down this fight between Candice Owens and Bill Ackman over

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Speaker 2: whether or not pressure was applied to Charlie Kirk towards

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Speaker 2: the end of his life with regard to Israel. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to there. Also, we don't want

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Speaker 2: to miss other news that is breaking the world. Trump

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Speaker 2: blew up another Venezuela boat yesterday as we seemingly even

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Speaker 2: closer to a regime change operation there.

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Speaker 3: He also apparently.

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Speaker 2: Had a heads up about that Israeli strike on Qatar

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Speaker 2: and they're denying it, but Israeli official leak to Barack

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Speaker 2: Revide and it is very likely, as we said on

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Speaker 2: regard to that, So we'll break that down for you.

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Speaker 2: This also happens as the Gaza City ground invasion has gone.

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Speaker 3: So lots to get to there.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to take a look at We didn't

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Speaker 2: get to this yesterday because we talked too much. Today

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Speaker 2: we will get to it. So I'm picking up some

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Speaker 2: new endorsers. And actually we had some news as well,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo now trying to distance himself from his previous

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Speaker 3: And I've got a monologue today.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be taking a look at the rise

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Speaker 2: of the Black Pill killers, so putting together some of

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Speaker 2: the recent school shootings and what we know about Tyler

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Speaker 2: that we now are going to be dealing with, which

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Speaker 1: Frankly, I'm looking forward to that. Thank you everybody. He's

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Speaker 1: been supporting the show really a lot and crazy times

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Speaker 1: like this. So let's go ahead and get as Crystal

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Speaker 1: said to the Cash Patel latest clown show that we

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Speaker 1: have seen on display. It's absolutely shocking, honestly to you

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Speaker 1: it not only was he not the top law enforcement

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Speaker 1: can all be used at trial. Should Tyler Robinson contest

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Speaker 1: his innocence at trial, defense lawyers and others potentially taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of all of the misstatements and some of the

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Speaker 1: latest from Attorney gent from sorry, the FBI director Cash

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Speaker 1: Pattel in a Fox News interview yesterday which was totally

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Speaker 4: Listen, all right, FBI directed Cash Ptel joins us, Now,

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine it's the director. How busy you've been

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Speaker 4: especially Schoey Kirk isn't just an impactful person, he's your friend,

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Speaker 4: So I understand that. But having said that, people are

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us the latest?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's so good to be with you, and you're

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a first statement that we have here

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Speaker 1: Remember also, the official narrative is about driving in changing clothes.

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Speaker 1: Remember about that screwdriver, the fact that it was then

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Speaker 1: highly relevant. Another reason why that initial thing about the

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Speaker 1: For you know, the idea is that you were a change,

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Speaker 3: Just on the screwdriver.

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Speaker 2: So what cash Hotel is saying there's a screwdriver was

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Speaker 3: So was it disassembled?

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Speaker 2: And then if the screwdrivers on the roof, but the

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Speaker 2: So that's those are some of the some of the pieces,

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Speaker 2: you know, that raise question marks that the government's going

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Speaker 2: to have to fill in of exactly, Okay, what was

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Speaker 2: good defense attorney is going to be asking these same

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Speaker 2: I said this yesterday, but I really like go and

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Speaker 2: this is done and how an effective defense attorney can

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Speaker 2: pick apart a government's narrative to your point about the

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Speaker 2: personal relationship. You know, another thing that they'll be arguing

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Speaker 2: is that this was politicized from the beginning. From the beginning,

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Speaker 2: they wanted to pin this on Tyler Robinson. They were

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Speaker 2: looking to do it. That even the open discussion here

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Speaker 2: not a yes or no, it's his DNA or not.

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Speaker 2: It's a probabilistic question. So even things like that can

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Speaker 2: a court of law. Now, I suspect that they probably

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Speaker 2: the question. It's also an indication just that Cash doesn't

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Speaker 2: As we discussed yesterday, he is under fire and the

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Speaker 1: Two separate things. First of all, Tyler Robinson's potential defense.

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Speaker 1: He's not cooperating with authorities. Dan Bongino said that he's

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Speaker 1: And that's especially why this is important here with cash

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Speaker 1: Tyler Robson allegedly confessed that he had murdered Charlie Kirk. However,

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Speaker 2: Am I possible to even discern what he's actually saying.

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Speaker 1: We'll play it here, not to show you, We'll play

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Speaker 5: Listen the written note. We believe what did exist, and

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Speaker 5: we have evidence to show what was in that note,

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Speaker 5: which is and I'm going to summarize basically saying, the

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Speaker 5: That note was written before the shooting. Evidence of ex

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Speaker 5: existence we now have learned existed before the shooting was

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Speaker 5: in the location in the suspect and partner's home. But

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Speaker 5: we have since learned that the note, even though it

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Speaker 5: and we have confirmed what the that note says because

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Speaker 1: Our aggressive interview posture at the FBI, interview with whom?

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Speaker 1: Where was the note? Who? What are you saying? Did

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Speaker 1: you conduct an interview with the trans boyfriend, with the roommate,

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Speaker 1: with members of the discord, Where did these messages come?

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Speaker 1: From how was such note you know, given for and

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Speaker 1: you're putting this forward before any of the charging documents.

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Speaker 1: News for Nobody asked you to go on Fox News

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Speaker 1: The reason why this is very confusing is remember Discord

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I mean when I was scrolling yesterday on Twitter, practically

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Speaker 3: This is the real killer.

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Speaker 2: I mean like one hundred different theories that I saw.

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Speaker 2: discussion about that note, not from Tyler, but from some

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Speaker 2: the note. That's the best that I can figure out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. We need to see the charging documents.

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Speaker 1: People need to stop going on on Twitter and Fox

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Speaker 3: That he's actual going on Fox News because of Trump.

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Speaker 2: He one's Trump to see him on there and Trump

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Speaker 1: And Steve Bannon reacted exactly to this. A huge portion

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Speaker 7: I'm told that the reason that the video and what

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Speaker 7: it is just too fuzzy. I don't know, but the

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Speaker 7: So clearly that has not been refuted by the authorities.

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Speaker 7: This is why this morning first off over the weekend,

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Speaker 7: it's accurate, but I don't understand the doorbelly and I

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Speaker 7: got the car wasn't impounded. You haven't rolled up any

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Speaker 1: There you go, I think raising some legitimate questions here.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up here. This is something that was

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Speaker 1: If you're not in any core of law.

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Speaker 3: Just don't say anything.

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Speaker 1: Go exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you you know, if you watch the governor,

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Speaker 2: some things that aren't true, but he's getting his information

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Speaker 3: The end of the day, he'll get ask questions. Veru.

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Speaker 1: Get into that. For the integrity investment.

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Speaker 2: But what Cash Mitel is doing is not disclosure. Sure,

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Speaker 3: They haven't recovered the bullet we're talking.

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Speaker 2: About, specifically the bullet, the single shot that murdered Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: of this eventually.

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Speaker 3: I hope we do.

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Speaker 2: So far, the evidence has actually been presented is hardly convincing.

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Speaker 3: This I think was put out.

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Speaker 2: Before Discord did confirm that there were these messages not

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Speaker 2: planning the shooting, but apparently confessing to the shooting. So

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Speaker 2: in any case, that's the picture as best as we

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Speaker 2: have at right now.

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Speaker 1: That's all we can really present to you. The reason

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Speaker 1: why again that we've said that, why the questions and

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Speaker 1: all that. For example, if we think back to the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, if you think about Oliver Stone and actually

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Speaker 1: a really emergence of the anti war left in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, it was always underrated how much the Kennedy assassination.

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Speaker 1: I'm not comparing the two. What I'm saying is that

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Speaker 1: it was a clear through line that Stone has always

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Speaker 1: drawn from that assassination and kind of the age of

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Speaker 1: innocence ending to the eventual military adventurism of what ended

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Speaker 1: up happening in Vietnam. Nine to eleven remains the same. Look.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it took years, years into the war in

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Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan for the secret pages about Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 1: to be released from the nine to eleven Commission. The

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven Commission report itself as a joke. I mean,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows that, and then no, no one's saying Israel

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Speaker 1: did it. Okay, what we're saying is there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of sketchy shit that remains completely unanswered around that entire thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember last year new video from nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight of a Saudi embassy worker casing out the

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Speaker 1: US capital that gets released. It takes twenty three years

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Speaker 1: for that to get released. The point is that it's

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Speaker 1: going to lead to extraordinary action. I would hope that

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Speaker 1: one of the things that actually happens is that all

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Speaker 1: of the information gets released, so at the very least

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Speaker 1: then all Americans can judge these things for themselves. And

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Speaker 1: instead it's the opposite, where we have law enforcement in competence,

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Speaker 1: total incompetence at the very top, lots of questions that

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Speaker 1: remain unanswered, and now the claim that are basically being

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Speaker 1: used here by members of the at the highest level

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Speaker 1: of the United States government are acting in extraordinary ways

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Speaker 1: that even after nine to eleven they did not dream

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Speaker 1: of doing. And so here is the latest. Pam Bondi,

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Speaker 1: the United States Attorney General, the top lawyer for the

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Speaker 1: United States government, now saying that there will be quote

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Speaker 1: free speech, then there's hate speech and there's no place

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Speaker 1: for that, and that we will be going after quote

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Speaker 1: hate speech. I mean, you know the jokes right themselves.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there

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Speaker 8: is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to

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Speaker 8: Charlie in our society.

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Speaker 9: Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups

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Speaker 9: who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people?

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Speaker 9: So we show them that some action is better than

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Speaker 9: no action.

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Speaker 8: We will absolutely target you, go after you if you

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Speaker 8: are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, and that's across

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Speaker 8: the aisle.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is so if you you'll fire crowded.

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Speaker 1: This is woke. I mean that's to you to borrow

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Speaker 1: Gavin's attack when he's like you sound woke, That's that's woke.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what like BLM liberals said for the entirety

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Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one. They're like, well,

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Speaker 1: there's a difference between free speech and speech. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: like missipment, We're you are exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Coming from word attorney gener the United States staved Miller's

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Speaker 2: wife's podcast on a state media.

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Speaker 1: And I want to emphasize That's why it's ten times worse,

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Speaker 1: because there's actually a big difference between some shit lib

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Speaker 1: on Twitter saying that free speech does not give you

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Speaker 1: a license to hate speech and whatever. This is where

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Speaker 1: the top again, top lawyer, Attorney General of the United

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Speaker 1: States of America, who can direct the FBI and has

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Speaker 1: vast resources at her fingertips saying that effectively, we need

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Speaker 1: some sort of hate speech enforcement. And so I can

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Speaker 1: make all the jokes about being a lib and being

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Speaker 1: woke and all of that, but I will turn to

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Speaker 1: the words of Charlie Kirk. Let's put this up here

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Quote. Hate speech does not exist legally

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Speaker 1: in America. There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech.

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Speaker 1: All of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep

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Speaker 1: America free. And that's exactly it. And the very fact

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Speaker 1: that she uttered those words just demonstrates the level of

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Speaker 1: hysteria hypocrisy of all of these people who allegedly were

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Speaker 1: so par cluck through the woker. I mean, I was

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Speaker 1: too okay, let's be honest, but you know, now, I

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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people signed up for this,

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Speaker 1: and you know, look, I've been relatively heartened there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives and others who have spoken out against this,

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Speaker 1: But the point actually is they want her to rein

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Speaker 1: it in just by saying hate speech. No, guys, the

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Speaker 1: entire point is that from the beginning, the posture has

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Speaker 1: basically been to be a liberal wet dream post January

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Speaker 1: six do you remember how many segments we did on

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Speaker 1: our show after January sixth, when, for example, there was

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Speaker 1: an elite you know, effort to try and crack signal messages.

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Speaker 1: They destroyed parlor unjust completely, unfairly and unjustly destroyed that.

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Speaker 1: They banned Trump from Twitter. They wanted to designate Republicans

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Speaker 1: like including J Sixers and others as states or as

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorists so they could use Patriot Act designations against them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we fought like hell against all of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: All of this is part of the same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they wanted hate speech laws at that time, they wanted

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Speaker 1: mass censorship, and they got some of it to a

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Speaker 1: certain extent. They wanted to use the full force of

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Speaker 1: the government to basically enact the law against half of

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Speaker 1: the country. And now after revolting against that, talking about

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Speaker 1: its unconstitutionality, about how bad it is we are right back,

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Speaker 1: literally right back to where the liberals started on this

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Speaker 1: entire thing. It's just so ironic. It fits though, with

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Speaker 1: a lot of this pattern. And yeah, yeah, sort.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would just say, in fairness to us,

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Speaker 2: I think we always recognize that many of the people

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Speaker 2: on the right who were claiming to be such free

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Speaker 2: speech warriors always had a tremendous ones. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: we always brought up the example of BDS for example,

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Speaker 2: we talked about remember Mike Lindall launching his social media platform,

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Speaker 2: being like, it's free speech, but no cursing, no this,

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Speaker 2: no that, no whatever. And so you know, I think

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Speaker 2: I don't think we were so pollyanna to believe that

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Speaker 2: most of these actors were actually principled and genuine in

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Speaker 2: their concern and over free speech. But it is it

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Speaker 2: is wild, like it is wild to see for example,

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Speaker 2: the Twitter files. What were the Twitter files about? It

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Speaker 2: was all about the government using sort of like soft coercion,

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Speaker 2: where they do, let's have a meeting and talk about

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Speaker 2: these things. Let me here's an email of some people

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Speaker 2: like you need to let me Why don't you take

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Speaker 2: a look at these sorts of people. Okay, that we

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Speaker 2: objected to. You could go back and watch the tape

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Speaker 2: about the way we objected to that. Even you know,

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Speaker 2: on issues where like you know, COVID, denihalism, things that

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Speaker 2: I oppose, but I listen. They shouldn't be You shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have the government saying what you can say and what

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Speaker 2: you can't say and putting pressure on these social media

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Speaker 2: companies and they know what the deal is because the

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Speaker 2: government can come down hard on you, and they've got

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Speaker 2: these anti trust investigations.

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 2: This is so much worse because it's the attorney general,

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Speaker 2: it's the president of the United States, it's Steven Miller.

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Speaker 2: This conversation right here is happening on Steven Miller's wife's

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Speaker 2: podcast State Media. Similar sentiments expressed from you know, the

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Speaker 2: Steven Miller on j with JD Van hosting Charlie Kirk's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: So this and you have an administration with a track

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Speaker 2: record of crushing civil liberties, of being incredibly heavy handed

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Speaker 2: in their ability to try to crush descent. So it

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Speaker 2: is you know, the like the worst of the woke

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Speaker 2: era on steroids, and it is it's just crazy to

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Speaker 2: see the like the very same language being recycled. We've

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Speaker 2: talked about this too with regard to like the crushing

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Speaker 2: of pro Palestine descent. You know, all of the people

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Speaker 2: who were you know, against the safe spaces for college

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Speaker 2: students suddenly like, oh my god, the microaggressions, like we

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Speaker 2: need you know, their their their safety words are literal violence,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So all of that language was

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Speaker 2: repurposed in terms of crushing pro Palestine descent. And now

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Speaker 2: you see them talking about consequence culture again the exact

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Speaker 2: language that was used by liberals during the peak of

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Speaker 2: you know, like woke cancel culture. And now you see

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Speaker 2: this again, the exact same language that some and like

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Speaker 2: you know, liberal professor or whatever would have used about

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Speaker 2: hate speech being different from free speech. Charlie Kirk's message

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Speaker 2: and Charlie Kirk also, by the way, wasn't consistent on

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Speaker 2: this in life, but his tweet is one hundred percent correct. Listen,

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Speaker 2: we can have a discussion, as we did yesterday about

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Speaker 2: where to draw the lines in terms of acceptable society

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Speaker 2: and what conflicts with your job and what private companies

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Speaker 2: are going to do, etc. We had that conversation, you

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Speaker 2: can watch it yesterday. But when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: government enforcement. The First Amendment is about protecting specifically offensive speech,

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Speaker 2: because it's not controversial if you're saying just like hugs

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Speaker 2: and kisses in love all around. When it matters is

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Speaker 2: when you're saying something that is provocative, that is controversial,

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Speaker 2: that is potentially offensive, that threatens or offends those in power.

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Speaker 2: That's when the First Amendment matters. That we, I think

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Speaker 2: have tried to be pretty consistent in the way that

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Speaker 2: we've applied that.

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Speaker 3: Across the board.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I have tried a lot, and I've always felt

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Speaker 1: as if it was a bit of a joke. But

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Speaker 1: it's especially egg on the face for anybody who spoke

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Speaker 1: out about this and then is not doing so when

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Speaker 1: the top attorney general, lawyer, person with immense power to

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Speaker 1: ruin any of our lives says this stuff publicly, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, it was ten times worse later on.

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Speaker 1: It's not as if she awt backtracked all that much,

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Speaker 1: because literally hours later she appeared on Fox News to

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Speaker 1: demand that people office depot workers, I think workers who

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Speaker 1: refuse to print posters with Charlie picture for a vigil.

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Speaker 1: She basically said, we can prosecute you for that. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 3: That's horrific.

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Speaker 8: It's free speech that you shouldn't be employed anywhere if

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Speaker 8: you're going to say that, and employers you have an

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Speaker 8: obligation to get rid of people. You need to look

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Speaker 8: at people who are saying horrible things and they shouldn't

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Speaker 8: be working with you. Businesses cannot discriminate. If you want

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Speaker 8: to go in and print posters with Charlie's pictures on

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Speaker 8: them for a vigil, you have to let them do that.

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Speaker 8: We can prosecute you for that. Meet Dylan right now

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Speaker 8: in our civil rights looking at that. Immediately that office

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Speaker 8: depot had done that. We're looking at that.

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Speaker 1: Have to print the poster, No you don't. Actually. Also,

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Speaker 1: OFFICETIPO fired those people, which they're you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's their right to do. Is a civil rights complaint.

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Speaker 1: Now you have to print the poster.

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Speaker 3: Again, we're going to prosecute you.

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Speaker 1: I will not take a lecture. I will not stand

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Speaker 1: for this. After watching I think correctly, and we've debated

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Speaker 1: it before. It's like the masterpiece cake thing. Oh, you

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Speaker 1: gotta bake the cake for the gay couple. No you don't, actually,

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Speaker 1: and they did the exact same thing. They filed a

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Speaker 1: civil rights complaint. Complete bullshit. Any private business has the

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Speaker 1: right to basically do whatever they want as long as

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Speaker 1: they are not specifically discriminating based upon the code of

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Speaker 1: that civil rights are not. We can all debate the

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Speaker 1: gay thing in particular, but if you held the position,

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Speaker 1: which I absolutely one percent do, that the guy did

654
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Speaker 1: not have to do a goddamn thing for those people,

655
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Speaker 1: I would hold the exact same position here. And it's

656
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Speaker 1: especially galling when the Attorney General it's basically saying they're

657
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Speaker 1: going to use the civil rights code to go after

658
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Speaker 1: to employees for saying that they would they did not

659
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Speaker 1: want to print that poster. Now here's the thing. It's

660
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Speaker 1: very different if the company says you violated company policy

661
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Speaker 1: by refusing to do this, that's actually one thing, and fine,

662
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Speaker 1: you could be fired for that. Of course, if you

663
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Speaker 1: have internal protocol of we don't we have a standard

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Speaker 1: the only things that we won't print are this, this,

665
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Speaker 1: and this. You violated that because you brought your personal

666
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Speaker 1: feelings into our workplace. Get out of here. I don't

667
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Speaker 1: know a problem with that. I don't think anybody really should.

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Speaker 1: But for the Attorney General to basically say We're going

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Speaker 1: to open a civil rights investigation against you for refusing

670
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Speaker 1: to do this. That is completely out of bounds. You

671
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Speaker 1: are literally coming in and telling these businesses and employees

672
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Speaker 1: what you know, type of political activity they can or

673
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Speaker 1: cannot refuse to do. It's preposterous to the nth degree.

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Speaker 1: And this fits with the pattern of this of this administration.

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Speaker 1: We'll recall, you take local and small incidents and you

676
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Speaker 1: blow them up into the most ludicrous prosecution by the

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Speaker 1: federal government. They opened an investigation when some girl at

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Speaker 1: a Florida university, you know, approached, yelled at, and touched

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Speaker 1: a guy who was wearing an IDF T shirt in

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00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: the gym. Florida expelled her. Okay, fine, whatever, Maybe she

681
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Speaker 1: violated the student code of conduct. Not an expert or

682
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Speaker 1: whatever on that. That's a local matter. They opened a

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Speaker 1: civil rights investigation into that. I've talked about the coffee

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Speaker 1: shop case previously, where again there was some coffee shop

685
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Speaker 1: and Los Angeles and some shit happened. They were pro

686
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Speaker 1: Palestine or whatever, and some people who were there claimed

687
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Speaker 1: that somebody said something nasty to them about being Jewish.

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Speaker 1: I don't support that. I think that's egregious. Behavior. That's

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Speaker 1: a local matter for Los Angeles PD and for the

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Speaker 1: state of California. It is not a matter for the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General and civil rights investigator. And it's the same

692
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: thing with this is the department. You know, I've talked

693
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Speaker 1: about how the Department of Anti Racism has become the

694
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Speaker 1: Department of Anti Semitism under this administration. Now it will

695
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: be the Department of policing everybody in the entire world.

696
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Speaker 1: If you don't do how we want you to act,

697
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Speaker 1: we're going to open up a civil rights investigation and

698
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: a prosecution against you. It is I can't. I really,

699
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm so viscerally angry about it because it's for me,

700
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: it's the hypocrisy. You can't because for the Libs, they

701
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: always believe this stuff, okay, and they were pretty open

702
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: about it. Nobody lied to you. By the way, they

703
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Speaker 1: lost the election in part, I think because of that,

704
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Speaker 1: and I think that's a good thing. I think a

705
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: lot of people stood up and said, no, we're not

706
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Speaker 1: dealing with this bullshit anymore. But then to run against

707
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Speaker 1: it and immediately less than nine months or whatever into

708
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Speaker 1: the nine months into the administration to be to repeating

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine if Obama or any of

710
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Speaker 1: these other people announced this even masterpiece, let's say it,

711
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Speaker 1: that was a Colorado state case. It wasn't federal, it

712
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: wasn't federal, it didn't involve areck Holder. That would have

713
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Speaker 1: been a whole other ballgame in my opinion. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I'm so infuriated. It shows

715
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Speaker 1: I've never believed Richard in Amias theory. Also, by the way,

716
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: about elite human capital more, he's right. I mean, you

717
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: have a bunch of literal creakdness idiots who just mindlessly

718
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: repeat mantras about Trump and then they find themselves in

719
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: these positions of immense power and look at the consequences,

720
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: no consistency. It would be a joke. Again. If they

721
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Speaker 1: didn't have literal prosecutorial authority, they could destroy this crystal

722
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: if they wanted. They can destroy any of you. By

723
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Speaker 1: the way, at least we are I media. We have money, okay,

724
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Speaker 1: we can, we have insurance and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're a normal ass office depot employee. You're fucked if

726
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Speaker 1: they come against you. Yeah, even if you win, who cares.

727
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Speaker 1: If you have a million dollars in legal.

728
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Speaker 2: Bills, Well, That's exactly right, because even if yeah, even

729
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: if the case is spurious and it gets thrown out, ultimately,

730
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Speaker 2: meanwhile you have the whole force of the federal government

731
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Speaker 2: and they're you know, legal apparatus coming after you. And

732
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: if you're a regular person, like your financial and your

733
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Speaker 2: life in general are going to.

734
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Speaker 1: Be destroyed, destroyed. Yeah, United States of America versus SO

735
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Speaker 1: and so for refusing to print a poster, if they

736
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Speaker 1: investigate you, do you guys have any ideas how much

737
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: these types of lawyers costs. I'm talking about one thousand,

738
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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars per hour for expertise in First Amendment law.

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Speaker 2: I'm not hoting the way life is up, in the

740
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Speaker 2: way that your docs, the way you're put on blasts

741
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Speaker 2: that you know, suddenly you are a public figure, whether

742
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: you want it to be or not because you refuse

743
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Speaker 2: to print a poster. You know, and by the way,

744
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, fans are not a protected class of people,

745
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: you know, to fly under civil rights law. Let's be

746
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: clear about that too. But the fact that it's ridiculous

747
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: does not matter. And also, look, the Supreme Court has

748
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: also given them basically everything that they've wanted they're on

749
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: a string of victories through the buy and large through

750
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Speaker 2: the shadow docket, where they'd give no reasoning or rationale

751
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: for their decisions. But clearly John Roberts either agrees with

752
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: the direction or has decided that he doesn't want to

753
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: provoke a conflict with this administration and so has basically

754
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: decided to back down and give them everything that they want.

755
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Speaker 2: So even if on its face you feel like the

756
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Speaker 2: case has no merit, it doesn't now necessarily mean that

757
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: they're not going to win, and it certainly doesn't mean

758
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Speaker 2: that they're not going to destroy your life in the process.

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Speaker 2: So no, it's I mean, it truly is wild to see.

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Speaker 2: And your point about the way that the emma of

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: this administration is to use some small incident or to

762
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Speaker 2: invent an incident and blow it up and use it

763
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Speaker 2: as an excuse for a power grab and a crackdown

764
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Speaker 2: is spot on. I mean, look at LA like LA

765
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Speaker 2: had protests. Yes, there was some violence. Did you need

766
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Speaker 2: to send in not only the National Guard, thousands of them,

767
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Speaker 2: but the but active duty Marines for that? No, you

768
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Speaker 2: did it here in DC. Big balls get smugged. Next

769
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Speaker 2: thing you know, you've got National Guard you've got m

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Speaker 2: raps at Union Station. You've I mean, even we're going

771
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Speaker 2: to talk about Venezuela. I mean it's kind of a

772
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Speaker 2: similar thing, Like they're inventing the idea that these boats

773
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Speaker 2: that are coming are drug traffickers.

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Speaker 3: Very little of the drugs.

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Speaker 2: That come into this country come from Venezuela, as you

776
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Speaker 2: know Sager actually laid out last time that we covered this.

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Speaker 2: So this this is their emo. Think of the way

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Speaker 2: they've gone after universities right Colombia had protests, it was

779
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Speaker 2: you know, there was there was a thing so basically

780
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Speaker 2: took over that university, destroyed their Middle Eastern Studies department

781
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Speaker 2: or you know, stripping them of funding, like forcing them to.

782
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Speaker 3: Fire professors, et cetera. This is what they do.

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Speaker 2: Another significant thing that happened yesterday, which they're clearly trying

784
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Speaker 2: to use Charlie Kirk's murder to paint a portrait of

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Speaker 2: every left wing organization, is basically like violent and out

786
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Speaker 2: for blood, and we're going to use the excuse of

787
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Speaker 2: this for a mass crackdown. And Steven Miller laid this

788
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Speaker 2: out explicitly when I was talking to Jade Vance on

789
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Speaker 2: what was Charlie Kirks's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this.

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Speaker 10: Walk me through at a high level, like what you

792
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Speaker 10: and I have been working on, what the whole administration

793
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Speaker 10: has been working on, to try to.

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Speaker 1: Make sure that we don't reward and promote this craziness.

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Speaker 11: So it's an excellent question. I've said this before, but

796
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Speaker 11: there's repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me was

797
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Speaker 11: I think it was just the day before we lost him,

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Speaker 11: which is that we need to have an organized strategy

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Speaker 11: to go after the left wing organizations that are promoting

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Speaker 11: violence in this country. And I will write those words

801
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Speaker 11: onto my heart and I will carry them out. We

802
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Speaker 11: are going to channel all of the anger that we

803
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Speaker 11: have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination

804
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Speaker 11: to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. With the God

805
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Speaker 11: is my witness, we are going to use every resource

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Speaker 11: we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and

807
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Speaker 11: throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these

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Speaker 11: networks and make Americas safe again for the American people.

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Speaker 11: It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.

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Speaker 1: Also, by the way, Attorney General Pam Bondi has now

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Speaker 1: tried to clarify her remarks. I think this fits all together.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up here on the screen, just to

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Speaker 1: show you the legal ease that is all happening. She says.

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Speaker 1: Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence

815
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Speaker 1: is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a crime.

816
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Speaker 1: Far too long, we've watched the radical left normalized threats

817
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Speaker 1: all for assassination's cheer on political violence. That era is over.

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Speaker 1: Under eighteen Usc. Eight seven and five C is a

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Speaker 1: federal crime to quote transmit any communication containing any threat

820
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Speaker 1: to kidnap any person, or any threat to injure the

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Speaker 1: person or other. Likewise, eighteen Usc. Eight seven six and

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Speaker 1: eighteen Usc. One one five make it a felony to

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Speaker 1: threatn public officials, members of Congress, or their families. Free

824
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Speaker 1: speech protects ideas, debate, even descent, but it does not

825
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Speaker 1: and will never protect violence. It is clear that this

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Speaker 1: violent rhetoric is designed to silence others from first voicing

827
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Speaker 1: conservative ideals. We will never be silenced, not our families,

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Speaker 1: our freedoms, never for Charlie's legacy will not be erased

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Speaker 1: by fear or intimidation, but to be very very clear

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Speaker 1: here she is still using the line hate speech. There

831
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Speaker 1: is no such thing legally as hate speech, as Charlie

832
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Speaker 1: himself laid out, and what she's talking about there the

833
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Speaker 1: extremely narrow definition under those crimes which they lay out

834
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Speaker 1: any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or

835
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Speaker 1: any threat to injure the person or another. Even in

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Speaker 1: the egregious examples which we showed everybody yesterday where people

837
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Speaker 1: said I'm happy that he's dead, that does not fall

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Speaker 1: under that definition. That is a conversation instead for employers,

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Speaker 1: for society, for all of us, and Isaah said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I said, many of those people I think should absolutely

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Speaker 1: be fired. However, however, it is not the role of

842
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: the government here in any way to be bringing cases

843
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: against them and be telling people it's specifically employees suing

844
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Speaker 1: them for civil rights investigation. One of the things, you know,

845
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Speaker 1: this great irony. Charlie himself spoke at length. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of liberals have attacked him about this, about

847
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Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act and specifically about the overreach and

848
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Speaker 1: basically the new constitution that was invented after nineteen sixty

849
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Speaker 1: four of an entire new realm of case law which

850
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Speaker 1: delves with discrimination and hate speech and going after people

851
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Speaker 1: for violating this or that. This is exactly the type

852
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Speaker 1: of overreach which led him and me and many other

853
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: people to a similar conclusion that look, at the very least,

854
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: we have to grapple with the fact that this entire

855
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: new code of social law began to exist and as

856
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: since morphed from originally what we thought would be the

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Speaker 1: endpoint of Ibrahem's Kenny thought into now department of Anti Racism.

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Speaker 1: You know stuff you talked earlier about the universities. I

859
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: have no love for the universities Columbia, Screw you, Harvard,

860
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: screw you. Why not because you're anti Semitic. It's because

861
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: you're bilking people. In my opinion, your culture and all

862
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: of that has done nothing for the elites of this country.

863
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: If anything, it's turned them ten times worse. You're much

864
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Speaker 1: more socially destructive than in some stumbass protests or whatever

865
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Speaker 1: about Palestine. How should we destroy them if we wanted to?

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Speaker 1: What would that even look like? It would be destroying

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Speaker 1: their endowment, hedge fund operations, and you know, the rise

868
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Speaker 1: of the Dei administrator and all of that which is

869
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: bilking the American taxpayer and putting these people horrifically in

870
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Speaker 1: That applies completely across the board. All of us can

871
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Speaker 1: have an argument about that one way or the other,

872
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: but the point is not that has anything with the

873
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Speaker 1: goddamn Middle Eastern Studies Department, and that is what upsets

874
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Speaker 1: me the most.

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Speaker 2: It also gets to they want they don't want to

876
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Speaker 2: get rid of the de Yeah, they want you want.

877
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Speaker 1: To d Israel? Yeah, yeah, diversity equity in Israel? Okay,

878
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not for that. Okay. I saw this

879
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: shit coming from a mile away. Ever since October seventh,

880
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: that's the first time that they turn on cancel culture.

881
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: And this gets to a bigger theory. I forgive me

882
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: because this stuff gets deep into conservative thought. If you

883
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Speaker 1: go back to some of my original involvement in the

884
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Speaker 1: conservative movement, there was this debate between libertarians and national conservatives.

885
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: It was about this idea of using state power for ends.

886
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: I still believe that as a principle, and I'll give

887
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Speaker 1: you an example when I talk about China and I

888
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: talk about industrial policy, intelligent policy, which is used specifically

889
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: to engineer what I think are good ends, tax policy,

890
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: and others. Because the alternative is where we are right now,

891
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Speaker 1: where we already effectively have state industrial policy for the

892
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: stupidest industries like hedge funds and all this others, we

893
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: might as well use it for more productive ends and

894
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: specifically socially, what I think we could all arrive to.

895
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: Let's say, we should prioritize the American family. We should

896
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Speaker 1: prioritize being able to build a house. We should prioritize

897
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Speaker 1: having great business and products which are built here in

898
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Speaker 1: the United States of America. What they have done, and

899
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Speaker 1: what I find so viscerally betrayed on, is they have

900
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Speaker 1: instead said that we must engineer state power to use

901
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Speaker 1: for our not even coalitional interests, but for the interest

902
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Speaker 1: of a foreign government here in the case of Israel

903
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Speaker 1: and now in particular, to actually go after fellow citizens.

904
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Speaker 1: And that's the preposterous nature. It's also the perversion of

905
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Speaker 1: the idea. So I'm not a libertarian, and I still

906
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Speaker 1: believe in the ability of the state to actually use

907
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Speaker 1: tax policy, industrial policy to have intelligence, as we did

908
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Speaker 1: in the lead up to World War Two. But this

909
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: right here, this is the worst of us. It's exactly

910
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Speaker 1: what happened after.

911
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Speaker 2: Nine elevee and the part of it that that speaks

912
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: to the sense of betrayal. Is how much more difficult

913
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: will it be to make the argument against.

914
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Speaker 1: The Libertarians are going to win now? Can you guys

915
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Speaker 1: understand that that's what pisses me off? The Libertarians will win.

916
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: Do you know how many Americans now are going to

917
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: say fuck tariffs? I did an event yesterday with Chris

918
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Speaker 1: Murphy and I asked him. I said, hey, Senator, you

919
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: know he's much more neoliberals. So I was like, hey,

920
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about tariffs now? Because

921
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Speaker 1: from my perspective, I've watched the neoliberals, they're all in

922
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Speaker 1: on tariffs or attacks. All tariffs are back. They're right

923
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Speaker 1: back to twenty ten thought. And he's like, well, we

924
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Speaker 1: can say tariff. He didn't answer my question at all,

925
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Speaker 1: dodged it completely, and I was like, oh no. I

926
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: was like, hey, DEM's come back. I don't know how

927
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Speaker 1: they'll ever be able to do a tariff again.

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Speaker 2: Even on anti trust policy, because if you have a

929
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Speaker 2: government that you have a semblance of like either political

930
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Speaker 2: neutrality or the policy is going to be used to,

931
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Speaker 2: you know, create American jobs and make sure they're good

932
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Speaker 2: paying and whatever, then you can feel comfortable having a

933
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Speaker 2: strong anti trust department that's not going to be just

934
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Speaker 2: like weaponizing that as a threat to coerce like cultural

935
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Speaker 2: ends or like to you know, make sure you're towing

936
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Speaker 2: the line on Israel. But in fact, what we have is,

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Speaker 2: you know, an administration that is using every weapon that

938
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Speaker 2: they have to coerce on Israel to make sure that

939
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Speaker 2: their cultural policy is pursued, to make sure that these

940
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Speaker 2: businesses are like paying appropriate tribute to Trump. I mean,

941
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Speaker 2: that's what a lot of it is for is just

942
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: like what is it? What's in it for me? There's

943
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Speaker 2: a big corruption scandal with regard to the UAE that

944
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Speaker 2: the New York Times wrote yesterday that we're going to

945
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Speaker 2: try to get to this week. But you know, that

946
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: STAPs the confidence out of the ability for the government

947
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Speaker 2: to truly be an actor on behalf of the American

948
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Speaker 2: people versus in the interests of these particular groups. And

949
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Speaker 2: it is a good segue into the next conversation about

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Speaker 2: Israel because while like Stephen Miller there he's not only

951
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Speaker 2: talking about left wing groups that are pro Palestine.

952
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Speaker 3: We know that that will be a lot of where

953
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Speaker 3: the hammer, I mean.

954
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Speaker 2: The Democratic Party in general, the left certainly have been

955
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Speaker 2: the fiercest and the earliest advocates for Palestine. So if

956
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Speaker 2: you are marshaling the federal government to crush left wing descent,

957
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Speaker 2: crush left wing groups, just by the nature of what

958
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Speaker 2: you're doing, you are going to be having a dispropation

959
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Speaker 2: of proportionate impact on the pro Palestine conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll even focus on that. I mean, one

961
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Speaker 1: of the things that JD floated in his speech yesterday

962
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Speaker 1: was like the tax status of the Open Society Foundation.

963
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, listen, you're not going to see

964
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Speaker 1: any crocodile tears from me about the Open Society Foundation.

965
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Speaker 1: But the point about law is to say, what is

966
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Speaker 1: to say, actually a lot of these nonprofits are basically

967
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: political money laundering by the billionaire class, right, But instead

968
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Speaker 1: it becomes like, oh, these are and by the way, look, yes,

969
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: it's true many of these left wing billionaires have funded

970
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: the stupidest shit possible. But the claim that was originally

971
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: made actually about the Nation magazine does not appear to

972
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Speaker 1: be correct. And so this also gets to this fantasy,

973
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Speaker 1: which I have said so many times here. There is

974
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Speaker 1: a fantasy that people think that this is organized in

975
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Speaker 1: the same way that the Weather Underground or the KKK was.

976
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: I wish it were so it would be ten times

977
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: easier to disrupt and destroy. It would be so much easier.

978
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Speaker 1: The Weather Underground was twenty five different freaks. Prosecute three,

979
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Speaker 1: get a few non prosecution agreements or whatever. With the

980
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: rest they get plead guilty. A couple of them fled

981
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: the country and were basically silent. I think for like

982
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Speaker 1: twenty five years it disappeared. No, we're dealing with something

983
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: ten times worse, which is this not you're doing your

984
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: monologue on nihilism and black belt. That is people sitting

985
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: at home getting addicted to pornography, weed, to like every

986
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: degenerate impulse that the internet can serve you, and then

987
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: taking it out in extreme fortunate forces and assassinating Charlie

988
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,240
Speaker 1: Kirk and or, in the case of the Thomas Matthew Crooks,

989
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: these school shooting. That's the actual societal problem that we

990
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: have to deal with. Yeah, I wish there were an

991
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: easy governments, but I wish.

992
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: I could take that disaffected men with no sense of

993
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Speaker 2: meaning or purpose, desperately trying to make their lives matter.

994
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about, and it is an epidemic,

995
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: and it is not going to be easily solved because

996
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: is there anything on the horizon that you see that's

997
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: going to create like a pathway to sense of like

998
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: hope and prosperity and meaning and purpose for any of

999
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: these any of these young men, whatever the you know,

1000
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: ideological valence they hold. No, there's nothing on that horizon,

1001
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: and then the accelerant of those Internet spaces is only

1002
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: going to become more and more twisted.

1003
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Speaker 3: So that's part of why the landscape is so dark.

1004
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Speaker 1: Let's segue to the Israel part here around Charlie. There's

1005
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Speaker 1: been a huge just up right now, very lately after

1006
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's assassination. I want to be clear at the

1007
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: top that some of it is absolutely unhinged, people just

1008
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: outright saying shit like Israel killed Charlie Kirk. There's not

1009
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Speaker 1: a single scrap of evidence to support that. What I

1010
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: think is a legitimate conversation which we're all about to have,

1011
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: is about the role that Charlie played in the conservative movement,

1012
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: the questions he was beginning to ask about Israel. He

1013
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: was unambiguously pro Israel. Let's be very clear He also

1014
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: was unambiguously against like Grouper's and quote Jew hate, as

1015
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: he even told me in the segment that we did

1016
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Speaker 1: a few weeks before that he was murdered. I want

1017
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: to be clear though, that what has happened since, in

1018
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: my opinion, is disgusting, is that the Israeli government. I'm

1019
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: not going to denigrate pro Israeli forces here in America.

1020
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: They have a right to do so, because there's a

1021
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of evidence before that, but the Israeli government itself,

1022
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanyahu, has had a concerted effort to clean Charlie

1023
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: as one of his own and to basically use his

1024
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Speaker 1: death for the political support of his country in our country.

1025
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: That is what I find absolutely objectionable. And it goes deeper.

1026
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: This flared up and honestly a pretty crazy moment here

1027
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Speaker 1: with Tucker Carlson, who was invited to the White House

1028
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: for part of the tribute segment with JD. Vance on

1029
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Charlie kirkshow Tucker called out Baby Netanyahu specifically and many

1030
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Speaker 1: of the donors who pressured Charlie kirk to actually stop

1031
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: to keep towing the line on Israel. Here's what Tucker

1032
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: had to say that was the question if you were

1033
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: good faith, you're on his team.

1034
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 10: That is exactly right, and good faith is the measure.

1035
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 10: And I, you know, I just have to say, I

1036
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 10: think now is exactly the wrong time to appropriate the

1037
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 10: memory of someone and the emotion that comes with that,

1038
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 10: the really intense emotion that all of us feel, and

1039
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 10: his murder and use it for your own parochial ends.

1040
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 10: Like he stood for this, But I don't think it's

1041
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 10: helpful for people to jump in, particularly foreign heads of state,

1042
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 10: to say this is what you know, he lived for

1043
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 10: my cause or whatever. That's disgusting. Actually, don't do that.

1044
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 10: Turns everybody off. You don't help your own cause by

1045
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 10: doing that. And it's also literally untrue. Did worry me

1046
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 10: because I think your description is perfect. He's one of

1047
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 10: the very few who took that message and stood by it,

1048
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 10: I mean, right to the very end. This cannot get bigger.

1049
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 10: We don't want another regime change war. But man, some

1050
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 10: of the people who send money to Turning Point, his

1051
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 10: donors were very tough on him, so tough on him

1052
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 10: that I could feel it.

1053
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Speaker 1: You know.

1054
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 10: I talked to him a lot in the last few months,

1055
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 10: and he was under enormous stressure.

1056
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Speaker 1: He never bent, he never became better. He kept his

1057
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Speaker 1: integrity to the very end, to the very end, very

1058
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: politically sensitive, I think for the Vice President to have

1059
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: Tucker there saying specifically about bb Tantaya, who's basically claiming

1060
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk's legacy, and to bring up this donor piece.

1061
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: Let's stick with the donor piece, because this is now

1062
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: exploded into a lot of accusations. Things are flying around here.

1063
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: So there's an allegation now that's been made by the

1064
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Speaker 1: Gray Zone and by Candace Owens specifically about Bill Ackman

1065
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: and a recent conference in August in which Ackman gathered

1066
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of influencers, conservative influencers. By Ackman's account,

1067
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Speaker 1: there were approximately people with nearly one hundred million followers

1068
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Speaker 1: that were in the room. There were a bunch of

1069
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: different events and conversations that were had at this gathering

1070
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Speaker 1: at a at Ackman's residence, I believe in the Hampton's

1071
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Speaker 1: in New York. He gathered them all together for like

1072
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: this confab to kind of talk about. One of the

1073
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: things that they talked about was Israel. There is an

1074
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Speaker 1: allegation now from the Gray Zone from Candace Owens that

1075
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Speaker 1: Charlie was berated and lectured about Tucker Carlson's previous presence

1076
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Speaker 1: at the Students for Actions summit previously and about some

1077
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Speaker 1: of the dissidant things that Charlie had said about the

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Speaker 1: state of Israel and about specifically US support for Israel.

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Speaker 1: So here's what Candace laid out in her show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: In the Hamptons. And he had more than one event,

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Speaker 12: but he had essentially what was staged. An intervention was

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Speaker 12: staged by Bill Ackman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts

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Speaker 12: about Israel or a no, no, this is not the

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Speaker 12: route that you should be going on. And Charlie was

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Speaker 12: surrounded by his friends quote unquote friends. Bill Ackman was

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Speaker 12: very upset and threats were made. I know it went

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Speaker 12: down this way. I'm waiting for one of them to

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Speaker 12: go on record and to say that it didn't go

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Speaker 12: down this way. It was at this time that bb

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Speaker 12: Net and Yahoo was called and Charlie was invited to Israel.

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Speaker 12: This was an under duress situation, I would say, because

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Speaker 12: I've been in these situations before. It felt like a threat,

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Speaker 12: like not like hey, come here and we can educate

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Speaker 12: you because you're my friend. More like this is your

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Speaker 12: last chance.

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Speaker 1: That's how it felt to me.

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Speaker 12: I can't speak tell it felt Charlie.

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Speaker 1: And I know that Charlie was offered a ton of.

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Speaker 12: Money in this moment, A ton of money maybe would

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Speaker 12: fund it, you know, Charlie said no to BB Okay,

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Speaker 12: Bill Lackman, if you would like to dispute that, I

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Speaker 12: would love to hear what you say happened, because our

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Speaker 12: sources and what we have it's solid.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 12: There were conversations that took place, messages that were sent

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Speaker 12: at that time, and they are solid. But I also

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Speaker 12: went out to two other people who were at this meeting,

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Speaker 12: and nobody is willing to go on record. They're all

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Speaker 12: messaging each other trying to figure out a coordinated response

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Speaker 12: to say that no, this was all quite cordial. But

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Speaker 12: no one wants to go on recket and describe it

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Speaker 12: as cordial because they know someone's leaking, because someone's got

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Speaker 12: a guilty conscience about what happened at the Hamptons. I

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Speaker 12: am inviting you, guys, I will give you my platform

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Speaker 12: actually to come clear matters up and tell us what

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Speaker 12: really happens, because you know, I think Charlie was definitely

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Speaker 12: on the brink of changing some of his perspectives.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's from Candace. I want to be very

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Speaker 1: clear here that Bill Ackman is disputing a lot of this,

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Speaker 1: has put this up here on the screen. Here's what

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Speaker 1: Ackman had to say. He said that this afternoon Candas

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Speaker 1: Owen slandered me, accusing of staging an intervention. He lays

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Speaker 1: out specifically everything that I did about the conference, about

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Speaker 1: the gathering that happened. What he says is that he

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Speaker 1: had an initial zoom with Charlie. The agenda for the

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Speaker 1: meeting that he took place in was the economic future

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Speaker 1: of America, the cultural landscape of dating and marriage, the

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Speaker 1: convergence of East and West, mom Donnie, the new threat

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Speaker 1: to America, and what we see actually again with the

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Speaker 1: what we see with Bill Ackman's tweet broadly is he's

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Speaker 1: disputing that there was any sort of confrontation, intervention and

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Speaker 1: all of that. I will also note that Charlie's former

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Speaker 1: producer has said that he does not believe that the

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Speaker 1: account is accurate. I have that if you want, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So this is from former producer Andrew Colvitt. I've been

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Speaker 2: asked about the Bill Ackman event more than a few

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Speaker 2: times now, so I asked our staff who were traveling

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Speaker 2: with Charlie to find out what's true what's not. And

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Speaker 2: his team was with him one hundred percent of the

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Speaker 2: time when he wasn't in his hotel room. Here's what

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Speaker 2: they told me.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on BB

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Speaker 2: never gave him a list of Charlie's offenses against Israel.

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Speaker 2: There was concern raised about having Tucker at sas. We

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Speaker 2: don't believe this came from Bill, and Charlie's reply was

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Speaker 2: quote honestly, of people telling me not to have Tucker

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Speaker 2: makes me want to have Tucker, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: lock him in for Amfest two. Charlie personally told me

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Speaker 2: he had a very cordial relationship with Bill and the

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Speaker 2: event was productive.

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Speaker 3: Those are the facts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so he does confirm there was some sort of

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Speaker 2: something said about upset expressed over Tucker being at this

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Speaker 2: previous turning points of that.

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Speaker 1: It fits also with there was a podcast that was

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Speaker 1: recorded with Megan Kelly right around this time where Charlie said,

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Speaker 1: effectively something to effect I feel like I can criticize

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Speaker 1: my own government with more ease than I can fit

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Speaker 1: in the Israeli g What.

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Speaker 3: He said is actually I misquoted this the other day.

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Speaker 2: What he said is that he feels like Israelis can

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Speaker 2: criticize the Israeli government more than he can, and that

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Speaker 2: that was crazy to him. That yeah, that it is

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Speaker 2: accurate that you know, he felt this constrained. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing is like, I don't know what happened in

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Speaker 2: the Hamptons. There's a couple of things I will say.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to these type of like billionaire donors,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't normally, like the pressure doesn't have to be

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Speaker 2: so overt. Charlie is a sophisticated actor in this.

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Speaker 1: Space, absolutely, and by the way he acknowledged so much

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Speaker 1: of this public right, A.

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Speaker 2: Big part of his role is fundraising and donor maintenance.

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Speaker 2: As the head of a large organization that receives a

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Speaker 2: lot of like wealthy, high net worth individual backing, that

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Speaker 2: is a large part of what he would be doing.

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Speaker 2: So you don't need them to yell at you to

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Speaker 2: know what they want you to do. You don't need

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Speaker 2: like direct over blackmail, threats, et cetera. You know, this

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Speaker 2: could have. There could be much more subtle indication of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, if Tucker isn't at the next event, then

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Speaker 2: I think I have some donors I could bring in.

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Speaker 2: I think I have some money that could go. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying that's the

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Speaker 2: way these typical these things typically work because everyone knows

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Speaker 2: the game. You don't need if you're Charlie Kirk, you're

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Speaker 2: smart person. You don't need anyone to blatantly tell you

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Speaker 2: we want you to be towing the line one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: You think he doesn't know that. Of course he knew that.

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Speaker 2: Of course he knew that. And then, to your point, Sager,

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Speaker 2: some like a good bit of this was out in public.

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Speaker 2: Laura Lumer was going after Charlie Kirk aggressively. She's now

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Speaker 2: since I think, deleted a bunch of her tweets over this.

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Speaker 2: But if you put B seven up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: Laura Lumer was attacking him. There were tons of pro

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Speaker 2: Israel conservatives who were going after him for hosting not

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Speaker 2: only Tucker but Dave Smith for a debate on Zionism.

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Speaker 2: There she said, I don't ever want to hear Charlie

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Speaker 2: kirk Kling he is pro Trump. Ever again, after this weekend,

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Speaker 2: I'd say he's revealed himself as a political opportunitist.

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Speaker 3: Opportunists.

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Speaker 2: I've had front row seat to witness the mental gymnastics

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Speaker 2: these last and years. Lately, Charlie's decided to behave like

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Speaker 2: a Charlatan, claiming to be tro Trump one day while

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Speaker 2: he stabs Trump in the back the next. There was

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Speaker 2: a lot of upset about the Dave Smith debate and

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Speaker 2: about Tucker being at that event specifically, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of that was public. So do I have zero doubt

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Speaker 2: that he was feeling a squeeze and we discussed this

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Speaker 2: previously as well. You know, even before he's killing, he

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Speaker 2: was feeling a squeeze. Between My primary role is to

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Speaker 2: back up this administration. If you doubt that that's the case,

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Speaker 2: just see you know, Jade Vance taking over the Vice

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Speaker 2: President of the United States, taking over his podcast. You know,

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Speaker 2: after he's killed, his primary role is to back up

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Speaker 2: this administration. However, since he's supposed to be a voice

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Speaker 2: for these young people, and you see organically, young people

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Speaker 2: across the board, including young Republicans, saying what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: How is this America. First, he was feeling very pressured

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Speaker 2: between the support of the administry, the need to keep

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Speaker 2: his donors on board, and being able to keep his

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Speaker 2: you know, young base from fleeing to other influencers like

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Speaker 2: a Nick Fuentes or like a Canvas Owens. He was

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Speaker 2: obviously feeling that pressure and trying to figure out how

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Speaker 2: to navigate that space. So that's why he had you on.

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Speaker 2: That's why he allowed Tucker and Dave Smith to be

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Speaker 2: at his event. He wasn't going to say it, but

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Speaker 2: you know, so he's sort of creating plausible deniability for himself,

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Speaker 2: but he would let these other people in to say it.

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Speaker 2: That's why he had that youth focused group on Israel again,

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Speaker 2: which we covered, which again was a way for him

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Speaker 2: to He's not going to be the one to say it,

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Speaker 2: but at least he's allowing these voices to be out

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Speaker 2: there and be given representation on his platform.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, very well said. And that is that's why

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Speaker 1: I started the way that we did. Is that a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is being thrown around and always reel killed. Listen.

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Speaker 1: The controversy to me is the way that the bb

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Speaker 1: NET and Yahoo government is trying to claim at Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: and I want to be very clear to the extent

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Speaker 1: that they did. He appeared on Fox News twice at

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Speaker 1: almost any immediate aftermath of Charlie's death to celebrate him

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Speaker 1: as a great friend of Israel. Nobody asked you, by

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Speaker 1: the way, you could have just said, our condolence are

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Speaker 1: to the family, and instead it was all about how

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Speaker 1: he was a great warrior for Beabie's cause. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to that.

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Speaker 13: He was a defender of our common to dear Christian civilization.

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Speaker 13: He was unbelievably excited to walk at the footsteps of

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Speaker 13: Jesus here. He valued our bond, the bond between America

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Speaker 13: and Israel. He you know, he did so many things

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Speaker 13: to defend free speech. He had his truth, he stood

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Speaker 13: up for it. But he said you can come and

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Speaker 13: debate me. He invited that debate. He certainly didn't invite

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Speaker 13: the violence, the harble violence that tried to silence him.

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Speaker 13: And you know, this is a worldwide problem. The people

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Speaker 13: on the you know, the extremes, the Islamists, the radical Islamists,

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Speaker 13: and their union with the ultra progressives. They often speak

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Speaker 13: about human rights, they speak about free speech, but they

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Speaker 13: use violence to try to dig down their enemies. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean this was like a NonStop literally it was.

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Speaker 1: And Yahoo, Benavie, these are ministers of these really government.

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Speaker 2: And we also tried to start before we knew anything

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Speaker 2: about anything that was killers was an Islamist right, like

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Speaker 2: just trying to will that into being because it serves

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Speaker 2: his ends of making people hate Muslims more. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just like I want people to really take a

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Speaker 2: second imagine it was literally any other foreign head of.

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Speaker 1: State, totally how bizarre.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's bizarre, it's inappropriate, it's uncouth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just growth too.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen people do this with other, you know,

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Speaker 2: figures who have passed away. I've actually seen people do

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Speaker 2: this with regard to like Michael Brooks, you know, who

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Speaker 2: obviously is like a much less famous famous figure who

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Speaker 2: died prematurely, and people will take himself, well, Michael Brooks

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: would have said this about X or he thought this

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Speaker 2: about why, and if you aren't just going based on

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Speaker 2: like literally what he said, I find it very just.

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Speaker 2: It's so it's really gross and uncomfortable when people take

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Speaker 2: a deceased figure and try to use them and weaponize

1283
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: them for their own political costs, let alone when it's

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Speaker 2: a head of state who is perpetrating a genocide using

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Speaker 2: our taxpayer dollars and you know, manipulating our government.

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Speaker 3: I mean not that Trump.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't have his own agency in all of this as well,

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: but it's so sick and unseemly, especially and that's why

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Speaker 2: this piece about like the tensions that we're playing out

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Speaker 2: within Charlie who you know, you were saying, I think

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Speaker 2: this is the right, like you should look at Charlie

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Speaker 2: as sort of like like a politician trying to manage

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Speaker 2: these various coalitions, right, and so some of this was

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Speaker 2: bubbling to the surface, and for you to dishonestly claim

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Speaker 2: that there was no tension there, that he was just

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Speaker 2: a defender one hundred percent of everything you're doing, including

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Speaker 2: especially your war on Iran, which he was very public

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Speaker 2: about a pose. You know, it's just incredibly gross and

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Speaker 2: dishonest and should be absolutely you know, anyone of good

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Speaker 2: faith should say this is wildly in approse.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is what I really want to bring this to.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think that the controversy is about,

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Speaker 1: is that after look, he was the best to do it.

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Speaker 1: He was the coalitional manager, he was the person able

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Speaker 1: to be with the pro Israel forces and the skeptical

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Speaker 1: Israel forces. Something like that's not going to be seen again.

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Speaker 1: And that's why to me, the scandal and to the

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Speaker 1: extent that there should be debate afterwards, it should be

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Speaker 1: about the people who are quote trying to claim his legacy.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm I would you know, I'm not part of

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Speaker 1: the institutional writer any of these people. I'm just an observer.

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Speaker 1: But that's why people are attacking Candice and Tucker and

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Speaker 1: saying it's disgusting the way that they're trying to use

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Speaker 1: his legacy for their political ends. Look at what you

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Speaker 1: are doing. The Israeli Prime Minister is on television saying

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Speaker 1: he was one of us. Yeah, guys, that is the

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Speaker 1: most blatant example of trying to appropriate his death for

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Speaker 1: their domestic political war aims to It's sick. And it's

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Speaker 1: like the people who object to that are the Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're the troublemakers. It's unbelievable really to watch. Also, I

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Speaker 1: want everybody to flag that Bill Ackman just openly admits

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Speaker 1: to a confab of gathering one hundred million people, oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: influencers with collectively over one hundred million followers. Everyone sit

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Speaker 1: with that, and everyone sit with that in particular, and

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Speaker 1: who you're getting your news from, and if they're not

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Speaker 1: very explicit about the stuff that they take money from

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Speaker 1: and who they don't. All right, we are on record

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Speaker 1: of exactly every dollar that comes to this company. Not

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Speaker 1: one of it comes from some bill ackman. Neither of

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Speaker 1: us are going on in trips except in free flights.

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Speaker 1: You know, when people invite me and oh, I'll cover

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Speaker 1: your travel. No, no you won't. If I want to go,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go on my own dime. Specifically to

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Speaker 1: avoid this type of stuff, and I admit it. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's sometimes embarss. We talked about billions. I'll be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know them before. I'll tell you that. You know,

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Speaker 1: you think that's to my benefit, You think that it's not.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't you know, lead to conspiracy theory and all that.

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Speaker 1: I say it anyways, specifically to avoid types of conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest. So if people are doing this type of

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Speaker 1: bullshit and they're not disclosing it, you should not trust

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Speaker 1: them for one second. So please please sit with that,

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Speaker 1: because it's not just about Israel. There's a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on behind the scenes. And yet the

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Speaker 1: people who are not being honest with you, they rely

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Speaker 1: on not asking questions