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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics. They'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. This podcast is presented by

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Speaker 1: Yetti Built for the wild. Wildfires they can be bad

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Speaker 1: news for a forest, but honestly, they can be great

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Speaker 1: news for elk and deer. The abundance of new growth

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Speaker 1: and feed can increase populations and provide some incredible hunting. Now,

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Speaker 1: they might look like the face of the moon at first,

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Speaker 1: but that new growth is really a super protein shake

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Speaker 1: the animals love. I've spent the majority of my time

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Speaker 1: hunting various burns. While it sounds simple find a burn hunted,

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Speaker 1: there's a formula to finding productive burns and low hitting

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Speaker 1: the animals within that area. That's the wind, where and

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Speaker 1: how that makes the difference. One of my favorite hunts

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Speaker 1: On a trip that almost didn't happen. One of my

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Speaker 1: best friends, Josh, happened to draw a really good late

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Speaker 1: season elk hunt in Northeastern Nevada. Now, I was guiding

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Speaker 1: for most of the elk season in Montana and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: I'm constantly checking in, how's your elkhount going? You know,

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing? What aren't you seeing? As soon

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Speaker 1: as you would get service, he would call and he

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Speaker 1: had hunted a couple of weeks pretty hard, had a

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Speaker 1: few encounters, but it was just one of those years.

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Speaker 1: It was just tough hunting. I happened to just finish

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Speaker 1: There's a few days left in the season, but he

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Speaker 1: I told him, look, man, you've only got a couple

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Speaker 1: run down there and give you a hand. I've been

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Speaker 1: entire season. I called another friend who had told me

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Speaker 1: about a recent fire in there that year. I asked

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Speaker 1: Josh if he checked it out. He's like, well, I've

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, that's where I want to hunt.

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Speaker 1: There's just a good thing about some of these fresh

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Speaker 1: and I just thought, that's what's gonna draw the Elkin.

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Speaker 1: I jump in my truck. I've got it all loaded up,

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Speaker 1: my stuff that I've been traveling around for. Oh when

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Speaker 1: all right, man, I'll hop in with you. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: didn't grab my boots. And I'm not even sure I

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Speaker 1: don't know what was going on, but it's late November

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Speaker 1: living in. Now, I've hunted a lot of burns in

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, elk and deer really fringe animals.

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Speaker 1: do is they create more fringe habitat while producing higher

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Speaker 1: quality forage, especially in highly timbered areas. Actually remember reading

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Speaker 1: positive effect on elk populations for at least ten years,

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Speaker 1: over sevent It's because cows take as much energy to

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Speaker 1: So if you have about ten times the amount of

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Speaker 1: more nutrients to grow better an ours, So over the

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Speaker 1: an area burn doesn't mean that there will be elk

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Speaker 1: By early, I mean fire season would be let's start

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Speaker 1: in the spring and then runs through summer late fall.

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Speaker 1: So was it early in the spring, was it early

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Speaker 1: the summer, like August or September, I generally will pass

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Speaker 1: While it might look barren from what it used to

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Speaker 1: be the elk and deer know that it's loaded with nutrients.

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Speaker 1: I would say that a burn is most effective three

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Speaker 1: to five years after the initial burn, and probably peaking

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Speaker 1: it the best. It hits its apex around seven years.

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Speaker 1: That's the max benefit because the animals and the populations

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Speaker 1: have had time to grow, they have had time to

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Speaker 1: build up. You'll get better age classes out of it,

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Speaker 1: Plus the area will have kind of stabilized after the burn,

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Speaker 1: regularly and have built up to higher populations. When I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for good burns, I generally like to pull out

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Speaker 1: my Onyx map, pull up the fire layers, and the

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Speaker 1: look for those burns in the three to seven year

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Speaker 1: looking at a new area to check out. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the where the type of range that was burned,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a state, but was it winter range or

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Speaker 1: summer range? For overall burn use, it's better to find

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Speaker 1: an area that has had a fire on a winter

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Speaker 1: range as opposed to a summer range. Now, studies show

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Speaker 1: Food is more important during the winter months and shelter

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Speaker 1: is often more important in the summer. Elk will use

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Speaker 1: Thank you keep sending me everything that you're sending me.

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Speaker 1: It's just awesome to see and I appreciate it. Okay,

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