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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Nol. They call me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: in spirit with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: At the very end of eighteen and what a year

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Speaker 1: it's been, you know, to conspiracy stuff, it's the end

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Speaker 1: we went to twice a week. Was that this year

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Speaker 1: probably because there are a few that we could update.

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Speaker 1: A fewer timeless like the Burnets episode I stand by.

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Speaker 1: But I shouldn't say win an internet argument because we

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Speaker 1: also have episodes on why you can't win an argument online?

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's also a great one. So let's

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Speaker 1: did was about ghost lights. You remember that one o

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Speaker 1: it's all coming back to you know, I want something

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Speaker 1: important for us to say that this is not a

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Speaker 1: what that thing is what law enforcement are using jed

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Speaker 1: match to find these killers in these cold cases. So

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Speaker 1: it is a third party, but it's it's a user

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Speaker 1: based third party system. It's not coming directly from the

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Speaker 1: ancestry websites. You know. I always thought when I was

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Speaker 1: reading about this, I always thought it was g E

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Speaker 1: D Match initially, and I thought maybe it was some

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Speaker 1: sort of dating service. It's just it's, uh, I forget,

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Speaker 1: what is a genetic something match? Yes, And there's this

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Speaker 1: guy we ended up talking to. His name is Paul Holes,

436
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Speaker 1: and he's kind of well known in this sphere because

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Speaker 1: he and several other people were the guys who actually

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Speaker 1: I guess they caught They caught the Golden State killer

439
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Speaker 1: because they discovered through forensic genealogy that they had they

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Speaker 1: got this guy who hit all these markers. And again,

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Speaker 1: as we said before, they didn't have his DNA on

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Speaker 1: file with the genealogy sites. They had his cousins and

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Speaker 1: his extended family, but they ended up catching him. But

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Speaker 1: this Paul Holes guy like tells you this whole story

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Speaker 1: about how difficult that was, that process of narrowing down. Uh,

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00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: because there's so many stink in humans. As we said,

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Speaker 1: should we check up again or just we'll just check

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Speaker 1: up at the end. Let's save it for the un

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Speaker 1: Let's see how far we ok. Let's see how many

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Speaker 1: more people are born and how many more people remain alive. Also,

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Speaker 1: we didn't mention when we checked last time, over one

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Speaker 1: hundred and seven thousand people died today, at least today

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Speaker 1: today as well today, So far pour one out one thousand?

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Speaker 1: How many over one seven and thousand? Lets pour one

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Speaker 1: and seven thousand out. It's bad for the economy. It's

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Speaker 1: bad for the environment too. There was another speaking of

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Speaker 1: death and expiration. There was another person who met an

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Speaker 1: untimely end quite recently this year, and they died in

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Speaker 1: a way that was not familiar to most of the

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Speaker 1: mainstream public, is safe to say, but very familiar to

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Speaker 1: you and to everyone listening to this show. There was

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Speaker 1: a murder at North Sentinel Island, and I can remember

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Speaker 1: how long ago was it that we first examined North

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Speaker 1: Centinel Islands. Maybe started his video, I think first, and

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Speaker 1: then we did an audio episode on it. North Centinel Island,

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Speaker 1: just for the quick and dirty gist of it is

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Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny place off the coast of India, the

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Speaker 1: Bay of Bengal, and four thousands and thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: of years they the population of this island has lived

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Speaker 1: alone with relatively little human contact. Uh. In the age

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Speaker 1: of European expansion, some people were actually stolen by Europeans,

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Speaker 1: um several of them died, a few of them in return.

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Speaker 1: But even before then, and ever since then, four hundreds

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Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of years, the people of North

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Speaker 1: Central Island have violently attacked without exception, every person who

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Speaker 1: tries to contact them or get on shore. I say,

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Speaker 1: that guy had it coming. That's right, Yeah, he knew.

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Speaker 1: And for for a while, uh, for several years after

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Speaker 1: we did this episode, it might have been something that

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Speaker 1: your fellow listeners relegated to the category of neat but irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: Until that is, uh, until that is, one individual felt

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Speaker 1: spiritually called to contact the people of North Centinel Island

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Speaker 1: despite all of the warnings, and despite them he took

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Speaker 1: multiple trips who went there three times. Alan Chow was

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Speaker 1: twenty six years old at the time. I felt like

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Speaker 1: it was his mission in life to convert the people

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Speaker 1: on the isolated North Sentinel Island community to his spiritual

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Speaker 1: belief system, in his case, was Christianity. Everybody warned him,

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Speaker 1: everybody told him not to do it. He did not listen.

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Speaker 1: He uh, he saw himself as a missionary, you know,

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Speaker 1: he saw himself as someone who's willing to risk their

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Speaker 1: lives for the greater good. And he did. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure where the greater good comes into play, but

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Speaker 1: I was being a little callous at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show, okay, had it kind of No one deserves

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Speaker 1: to die, but you you, you are punished for being stupid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and not listening to people listening. He didn't speak any

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Speaker 1: of the related local languages. Also, look, people can't really

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Speaker 1: communicate with of North centinl Island. We don't understand their lights, right,

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Speaker 1: which is I didn't know a lot about this until

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Speaker 1: I started reading up on the story. I was not

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Speaker 1: really aware of this community, let alone the fact that

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Speaker 1: they have some kind of hybridized, like you know, isolated

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Speaker 1: language like the gulla or something like that. Like it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but that even is allowed to exist. Yeah, allowed is

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Speaker 1: a strong word, but I mean you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: That doesn't it seem like we usually swoop in and

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Speaker 1: wipe stuff like that off the map? Like how how

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Speaker 1: how are we just not why? Why we at just

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Speaker 1: mean the species? Yeah exactly, Like how how do we

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Speaker 1: have a problem with that? Well, because they were so

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Speaker 1: isolated and they were so difficult to get to. Also,

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Speaker 1: because let's be candid, there were not any valuable natural resources,

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Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, probably no no need to build a

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Speaker 1: parking lot there, like a resort. Not enough land for

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Speaker 1: a resort, right, right, it's only twenty miles I think

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Speaker 1: twenty miles across, and maybe a hundred people are in

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Speaker 1: this group there, living the way that all of our

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Speaker 1: common ancestors did thousands and thousands of years ago. But

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Speaker 1: they are picking up some technologies from things that wash ashore,

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Speaker 1: like they're taking shipwrecks or you know, the belongings of

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Speaker 1: their victims and crafting metal implements and stuff. So so

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Speaker 1: progress continues. It's just a different pace there, and they've

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Speaker 1: been isolated for so long that John Alan Chow, despite

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Speaker 1: his intentions, may well have sealed their fate after thousands

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Speaker 1: of years of existing in virtual isolation when they killed him.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you, people don't deserve to die,

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Speaker 1: but there are consequences to ignoring what everyone tells you

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Speaker 1: not to do. When they killed him, they took his

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Speaker 1: body and people were still trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: to retrieve his body. One of the big concerns being

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Speaker 1: that this guy has modern vaccinations to diseases and may

533
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Speaker 1: well carry things that would be you know, just a

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Speaker 1: passing infection for most of the rest of the world,

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Speaker 1: you know, a head cold or something, or a relatively

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Speaker 1: benign virus, not benign, but you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: a non fatal virus. But for this population, this is

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Speaker 1: a death sentence. They just the same thing that happened

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Speaker 1: when Europeans first came to the America's This this wave

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Speaker 1: of plague and disease proceeds outward. So the question is

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Speaker 1: will the people of North Sentinel Islands be around next year,

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Speaker 1: because if if something breaks out, the population is so

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Speaker 1: um homogeneous by this point. It's kind of It's similar

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Speaker 1: to the way the gross Michelle Banana when extinct so

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Speaker 1: quickly due to a virus and due to the fact

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Speaker 1: that bananas were essentially clones of each other. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying these people are clones. I'm just saying there's not

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Speaker 1: there's not the kind of genetic variety that we would

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Speaker 1: need to have a reasonable chance of expecting these people

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Speaker 1: to live. Not a lot of outside interaction in that

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Speaker 1: gene pool, You're absolutely correct. And the way they live

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Speaker 1: or they appear to and seem to live and move

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Speaker 1: together on the island um pretty closely. If if one

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Speaker 1: person gets sick, You're right, Ben, it's that's a death

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Speaker 1: sentence for everybody. That's scary, and it may well result

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Speaker 1: in intervention from the modern world. You know what, if

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Speaker 1: there's enough of an international or academic stinct raise and

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Speaker 1: we send in a group of people like in special

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Speaker 1: forces from the Indian Army, let's save the sentinel ease

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Speaker 1: and then can you imatch how nightmarish that would be?

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Speaker 1: Have you considered the distinct possibility of this guy's like

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Speaker 1: youth group compatriots might go back and seek revenge. That's

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00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: a good question. I don't know if they do it

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Speaker 1: for vengeance but maybe they might double down, right, do

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Speaker 1: you think they would? I don't think. It doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like anybody felt a strongly about this as this loan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope we didn't hear our show and then get inspired.

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00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: Surely not, surely not watch our video or something, hopefully not.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we collectively did a a clear enough job of

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Speaker 1: establishing the reasons why one should not go there. But

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not you agree with John alan

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Speaker 1: Chow's aims or his mission, we can say that every

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Speaker 1: loss of life is a tragedy, and our thoughts go

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Speaker 1: out to his surviving relatives, his friends, and his family.

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Speaker 1: On a lighter note, uh, you guys ready, you guys

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Speaker 1: ready to get light on a Yeah, on a lighter note,

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Speaker 1: we'll find out what impression that was. After a word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor. It wasn't man, all right, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: It wasn't it. It was just me. It like it

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Speaker 1: was just you. Was that like Paully Walnuts is Barack Obama?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought you were going for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Gene Simmons. It was, of course it was

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Speaker 1: your flawless that what it was. So what we decided

584
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Speaker 1: to do with this part of the episode. It's over

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00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: the break. We said we we were going to do

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00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: it up to date and an up to date look

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00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: at the Mueller reports or the Mueller investigation, which as

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00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: we speak is ongoing and probably will be ongoing for

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Speaker 1: a while. But you keep getting so many dribs and

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Speaker 1: drabs of news about this that in our notes, all

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00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: it says is, let's google the Mueller Report right now.

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00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: That's right, and we're all going to take different sources.

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00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: So I call Fox News, Okay, I will I will

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Speaker 1: go with um. I will definitely not to Fox News.

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Speaker 1: I will go with um. What's a good the hill

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Speaker 1: is that one? Sure? Somebody takes like a British newspaper.

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00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: I'll do economists about that. Yeah, I'm gonna do the

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Speaker 1: National Review perfect, all right. So if we're looking at

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00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: the economists after these, the British have such a such

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00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: a talent for snarky titles and this sort of reporting.

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Speaker 1: This this Economist article is published three days ago and

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00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: it is titled Mueller. She wrote, Uh, so much of

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Speaker 1: the Mueller report is already public. What does it say?

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00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's true? What they point out here. This

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00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: was from December eight, that there are hundreds of pages

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Speaker 1: from the office from Mueller's office that have already been published.

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00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: And this investigation has been running for eighty one weeks

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Speaker 1: and counting. So you're going to hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: you'll hear a lot of noise about this from both

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Speaker 1: sides of the political divide in the United States. One

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Speaker 1: thing that's curious to me about it is that everyone

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Speaker 1: agrees there's some sort of conspiracy or cover up. Everyone agrees,

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Speaker 1: not the National Review. The National Review may be arguing

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Speaker 1: that it's a conspiracy on the part of the deep state. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there you go, it's a conspiracy. So if people are more,

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Speaker 1: what what does National Review have? What's they're taking, Well,

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Speaker 1: they say Republicans must reject Russia hoax conspiracies and examine

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Speaker 1: the evidence. But that was the second one I put

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Speaker 1: up the first for the first one simply states Mueller

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Speaker 1: has nothing. Wow. So maybe the idea here is that

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Speaker 1: this investigation is an excuse to persecute the executive administration. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the conspiracy theory that they say needs to

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Speaker 1: be put to rest. Is the Trump Russia investigation. Um

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00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: has been an attempt by Hillary Clinton's people um in

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Speaker 1: the government, in the federal government to intervene in the election.

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Speaker 1: Quoting the rest of this part, uh to quote intervene

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Speaker 1: in the election to help Clinton. To continue this quote

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Speaker 1: for a second. Everything that has followed is thus the

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Speaker 1: fruit of a poisonous tree of efforts to entrap or

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Speaker 1: ensnare innocent, unsuspecting Trump campaign officials or Trump allies with

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Speaker 1: a prosecutor bent on manufacturing process crimes through various perjury

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Speaker 1: traps and other nefarious means. Ah, perjury trap. That's an

633
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: interesting term, and we have we all heard perjury trap before.

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Speaker 1: The idea is that you're forcing someone. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a new version of gotcha journalism or interviewing. Your

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Speaker 1: forcing someone to testify with the intent of pushing them

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Speaker 1: in a situation where they must perjure themselves. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's a legit thing. It's a it's a type of

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Speaker 1: prosecutorial misconduct. But for most people who hear that phrase

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Speaker 1: unattached to this investigation, it sounds like there's a very

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Speaker 1: easy way to avoid a perjury trap. It is to

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Speaker 1: tell the truth in a court of law. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what if you did something wrong. It's like calling Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like calling shoplifting a shoplifting trap.

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Speaker 1: There's an easy way not to fall into that trap.

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Speaker 1: Just don't shop, you know, they called the shop would

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Speaker 1: be the shoplifting trap. Been looking at all this pretty

648
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Speaker 1: stuff in here? How could I not steal it? I

649
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Speaker 1: can't help myself. The whole thing is so I like

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Speaker 1: that idea. I think it's interesting the argument that the

651
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Speaker 1: Mueller investigation is being um maintained or powered by the

652
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Speaker 1: deep state too. What to take the heat off the

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Speaker 1: Clinton investigation? Is that investigations over? Though? Yeah, well not

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Speaker 1: in some people's minds, right. The National Review seems bonkers,

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Speaker 1: you guys. I just I didn't know what this was,

656
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Speaker 1: to be honest, and it seems we should probably pick

657
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Speaker 1: a different third choice because you've got Fox News and

658
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Speaker 1: you had what did you have? The economists? Economists seems

659
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Speaker 1: pretty relatively level headed and unbiased. I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: This kind of piles on a little bit from Fox News.

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Speaker 1: Just it's one of the top stories that's just really fast.

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Speaker 1: Headline is false statement charges abound in Mueller probe in

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Speaker 1: contrast to Hillary Clinton case. So in this case, uh,

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Speaker 1: they're discussing how basically Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump we're

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Speaker 1: being investigated for some of the same things. Um, and

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Speaker 1: then they're saying they're pilot with exactly what you were

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Speaker 1: saying about perjury the USC one zero zero one, making

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Speaker 1: false statements to FBI agents. UM. It sounds kind of

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Speaker 1: like the perjury trap thing. But it's it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: talking about the contrast in the case against Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: I guess through the email investigation UM with false charges.

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Speaker 1: It says, uh, not a single person interviewed during Hay

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's investigation was hit with false statement charges. Although

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Speaker 1: what is it? Five out of the six campaign associates

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Speaker 1: in UM in the Trump campaign have been charged with

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Speaker 1: that what is it? USC one zero one? So it

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Speaker 1: is an interesting idea comparing Hillary Clinton's email investigation to

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Speaker 1: this current Mueller probe. But it does, UM doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: equivalent to me. But so the implication then is that

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Speaker 1: the two cases are being treated differently. Yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: guess the longstanding government officials and people working within the

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Speaker 1: FBI and other associations that are closer to the Clintons

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Speaker 1: are going after Trump. Oh yeah, we should make that

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Speaker 1: definition clear. So when you hear people talk about the

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Speaker 1: deep state. What they're typically talking about nowadays is going

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Speaker 1: to be called a more con servative or right wing

687
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. But what the deep statement before that. It's

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Speaker 1: important to remember this term was maybe resurrected or popularized

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Speaker 1: in this current administration, but what the deep state actually

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Speaker 1: describes is a web of tremendously influential and unelected, long

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Speaker 1: serving members of things like the military or things like

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Speaker 1: the Yeah yeah, yeah. So now it's being used as pejorative,

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Speaker 1: like a term of abuse for the opposition, right, there

694
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Speaker 1: was always a there was always something like a deep state.

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Speaker 1: You need to look no further than the CIA's activities

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Speaker 1: or interventions and foreign governments to realize that. But the

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Speaker 1: part where it becomes a little more conspiratorial is the

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Speaker 1: assumption that all these actors work together, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, because it's it's it's real tough to get

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Speaker 1: intelligence agencies to share information with each other, even when

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Speaker 1: they're friendly. If you're if you're rated on your ability

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Speaker 1: to collect and keep secrets, you're not in the business

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Speaker 1: of sharing those secrets. That's a really good point. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's that's where we're at. Now, let's maybe

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Speaker 1: look at the other side. Okay, so on the other side,

706
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Speaker 1: we should say the economist is a little bit more

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Speaker 1: it's it's conservative for the UK, so it would probably

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Speaker 1: passes more centrist here in the United States. But and

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Speaker 1: the economist, uh, and more so in left wing media publications.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear you'll hear people say, I think we already

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Speaker 1: use this phrase that the Mueller investigation is a nail

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Speaker 1: in the coffin of the presidency right and may lead

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Speaker 1: to impeachment. You'll hear people compare this a lot to

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Speaker 1: the Watergate investigation. However, Nixon resigned. Nixon resigned, He was

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Speaker 1: not He probably would have been forced out of office,

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Speaker 1: but he he fell on his sword first. And while

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Speaker 1: you can make some very very interesting parallels, these are

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Speaker 1: these are two different cases. UM. The people who the

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Speaker 1: people who believe that the investigation is going to lead

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Speaker 1: to um indictments for the president, the currently serving president

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Speaker 1: of the US, are pointing to evidence of this through

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Speaker 1: close reading of different deals that have been made like

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Speaker 1: MANA Fort Cohen and so on. One thing, one thing

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Speaker 1: that seems pretty certain is that the investigation is going

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Speaker 1: to continue, despite some people calling for it to be canceled,

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Speaker 1: right or to be uh, I guess canceled the is

727
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: the wrong word. It's not a TV show. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: how it's seen by certain parties. Um. You you make

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Speaker 1: a really great point here because I'm just gonna hit

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Speaker 1: you with this NPR headline that came out on December.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what you're saying. Ben the Russia investigations Colin.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the end is in sight, maybe it isn't. That's

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Speaker 1: because I actually heard some some commentators recently talking about

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Speaker 1: how because of some clues, the context clues that have

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Speaker 1: been dropped in some of these documents and some of

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Speaker 1: the redacted pieces, that they feel like it's winding down.

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Speaker 1: But then you hear just as many people saying like,

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Speaker 1: now this is not the end is not in sight?

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Speaker 1: Like who's individual one? That's a mystery, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly right. And the President of the U S himself

741
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Speaker 1: has already answered written questions that were submitted from the

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Speaker 1: Mueller office, and people don't know what those questions were,

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Speaker 1: and they don't know what the answers to those questions were.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the stuff that people are saying

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Speaker 1: is speculative and it's guesswork. That doesn't mean that it's

746
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Speaker 1: immediately invalid. It just means that it none. None of

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Speaker 1: this stuff has been made public that exchange at least,

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Speaker 1: and the economists argues that there's a possibility that some

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Speaker 1: of the answers from the Executive Office contradict what the

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Speaker 1: Mueller team knows now. And I'll quote the economist here.

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Speaker 1: It's not us to make that clear. We'll do a

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Speaker 1: British voice. One thing from hundreds of pages of indictments

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Speaker 1: is that two people around the president Lloyd frequently and easily,

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Speaker 1: even under oath, is a management criche that culture at

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Speaker 1: de Tulp. That was true at a Trump campaign too,

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Speaker 1: good guys, But that's I mean, I want to make

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Speaker 1: it clear that we're we're quoting the economists here, and

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Speaker 1: they go on to say that even if the president

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Speaker 1: had provably lied under oath, the Department of Justice, the

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Speaker 1: d o G guidelines caution against indicting a sitting pre it.

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Speaker 1: Some people on the other side say that you can't

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Speaker 1: do that, right and these are people who are high

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Speaker 1: up in the court system as well. So that is

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Speaker 1: a developing story, and we don't know the answer for it.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, if you're listening to this show

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Speaker 1: and you decide to take a page from our book

767
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: and you say, let me google the Muller investigation right

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00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: now and see what happens, you are going to find

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Speaker 1: new information. Probably you are also going to find different

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Speaker 1: things because depending on the search engine you use, you

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Speaker 1: are going to be shown news sources with which certain

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Speaker 1: algorithms believe you already agree. Yeah, And even if you're

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Speaker 1: reading something like a single source like NPR, you will find,

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Speaker 1: as I just did, to competing articles which exists, which

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Speaker 1: we're both published December. One of them says Trump declares

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Speaker 1: he's cleared from Mueller investigation. The next one says latest

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Speaker 1: in Mueller's probe is damning for Trump. So it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just what do you believe? Man? And again it's

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Speaker 1: it's strange because everybody agrees that there is something amiss,

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Speaker 1: you know, just not what speaking things that are amiss. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Remember when those three thousand Google employees signed a petition

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Speaker 1: protesting Google's involvement with the d O D. Yeah, Project Maven,

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Speaker 1: which sounds like the reason It reminds me of Project Runway,

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Speaker 1: Like I would watch a show that was Project Runway

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Speaker 1: but for drones, and you know, like you had a

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Speaker 1: team that had to build a drone. I would watch it.

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Speaker 1: I watched the original Project Runway. Is that like battle Bots? Similar,

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Speaker 1: but they would have to they would have to maybe

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Speaker 1: not necessarily fight one another every time. Some battle bots

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Speaker 1: they only fight other bots. They would they would fight models.

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Speaker 1: They would fly around, they they would fight models. There

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Speaker 1: we go, they would fight models. They would run different missions,

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Speaker 1: so they would probably like race, they would try to

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Speaker 1: sneak into places. Um, there might be a talent portion

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Speaker 1: of the event where they have to do some like

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Speaker 1: cute tricks. I don't know. Producers, just right to us

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Speaker 1: fun with it, yeah, and give us our perceptage, right please?

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Speaker 1: Oh so, what's going on with Project Maven right now?

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Speaker 1: I was doing a little googling to see the protests

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Speaker 1: and everything, but I'm not seeing a ton of movement

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Speaker 1: at least. Um, it looks like a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: said they were taking a stand as the protests were

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Speaker 1: really heating up, and that was right around Thanksgiving. It

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Speaker 1: looks like, um, there was even some protesting in China.

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Speaker 1: It was taking place rights Well, we know that as

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Speaker 1: of June, Google plans not to quote renew its contract.

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Speaker 1: But there's something else that happened more recently. Uh, Google

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Speaker 1: is apparently losing its mind trying to prevent leaks. Now

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Speaker 1: there's let me find the Reddit story. I see something

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Speaker 1: here from the New York Post and I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: read this. It says q leakers. Ex Google worker says

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Speaker 1: company focusing on anti leak efforts. Yep, that's the one.

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Speaker 1: That's the one, and that broke just a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago. And now stopping leaks has become managements quote

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Speaker 1: number one priority. So rather than having transparent conversations or

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Speaker 1: accountability with the public, Google, the company that once upon

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Speaker 1: a time promised to not be evil, is now making

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Speaker 1: sure that they've clamped down and no word gets out.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of people, especially the more cynical amongst us,

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Speaker 1: that is absolutely not a surprise. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: when all those internal docs got released recently about Facebook

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Speaker 1: and it turns out that, yeah, they're in it for

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Speaker 1: the money. It's not again. That's like that's like watching

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Speaker 1: Friday the thirteen and saying, oh, that Jason Voorhees is

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Speaker 1: the killer. You're probably going to be right and our

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Speaker 1: is it? Is it performative? Is it theatrical to act surprise?

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Speaker 1: To some degree? It is, I would argue, you know

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Speaker 1: what feels a little theatrical in like the best way. Ever.

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Speaker 1: What's that Ben's badass sunglasses that he's wearing in the

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Speaker 1: studio right now, especially since I can see his computer

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Speaker 1: scheme infected in each of them and it looks like

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Speaker 1: he has like robot eyes. Seriously, it's really cool. Thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been weird lately. Uh. Speaking of weird, is

834
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Speaker 1: also the Pentagon secret UFO program. We have an update

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Speaker 1: on that, so we had We had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with Jeremy Corbell a while back, the documentarian and filmmaker

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Speaker 1: who worked with people involved in the Pentagon secret UFO program.

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Speaker 1: Which sounds nuts and bananas right. It sounds like that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of breakfast dish it would be. But it

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Speaker 1: turns out that is completely true. The Pentagon had a

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Speaker 1: long running, uh secret UFO program. They poured millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars into it, I think like one or something. And

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest announcements that came out about this

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Speaker 1: that Jeremy Corbell hipped us to as well, was that

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Speaker 1: Bigelow Airspace, who had participated hand in hand with the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon and this investigation, had claimed to not only observed

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Speaker 1: credible reports of unidentified flying objects, but they had further

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Speaker 1: claimed that they captured some of these objects or equipment

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Speaker 1: or pieces of gear, and that these were being held

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Speaker 1: in a Bigelow owned warehouse. And to triple down on this,

851
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: they said several of these artifacts were these pieces of

852
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: material were probably metal, but they were an unknown, never

853
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: before encountered alien alloy and people could not identify it.

854
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: So we got some updates from some experts, some metallurgists,

855
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: and some other people in the know about material science.

856
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the experts are particularly doubtful about

857
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: the unknown alloy. Claims unknown alloy. It's hard to say.

858
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: It's a rural juror. I'm glad I got it right first.

859
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: So at Times reporter named Ralph blumenthal Um told MSNBC quote,

860
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: they have, as we reported in the paper, some material

861
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: from these objects that is being studied so that scientists

862
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: can find what accounts for their amazing properties, this technology

863
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: of these objects, whatever they are. Uh. And then whenever

864
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: asked what materials they were Bloomenthal said that he didn't know,

865
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: but that they it was being studied and that it

866
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: was some kind of compound that they did not recognize.

867
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: So not a hell of a lot of new information there, Yeah,

868
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Later they followed up with people like

869
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Richard Sockleban, uh it's a tough name to say as well,

870
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: who is a retired chemist and a member of the

871
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: American Chemical Society's panels, and he said it's impossible for

872
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: there to be an unknown alien alloy because alloys are

873
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: mixtures of different kinds of elemental metals, and they're extremely common.

874
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: In fact, according to Dr Scleban, they're more common on

875
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Earth than pure elemental metals are, and we understand them

876
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: very well. Brass is an alloy, so as steel. Even

877
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: the most naturally occurring gold on Earth is an alloy

878
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: of gold and other metals like silver or copper. And

879
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: may Nieman, the professor Oregon State University Department of Chemistry,

880
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: follows on to say there are databases of all known

881
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: phases of metal, including alloys. So their argument here is

882
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: that first off, they're heavily implying that this is being

883
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: marketed to just sell interest or get clicks and it's

884
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: not you know, UFO metal or a uh, flying saucer metal,

885
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: and they go into detail. You can find them going

886
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: into detail explaining how easy it is to test this stuff.

887
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: They're all very standard techniques and research labs, says Nieman.

888
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: So if we had such mysterious metals, you could take

889
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: it to any university where research is done. They could

890
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: tell you what all the elements are and something about

891
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: the crystalline phase within a few hours. So they're implying

892
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: that if this stuff is still mysterious and we still

893
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it is or what these amazing properties are,

894
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: then it's simply because no one is testing it. Aha,

895
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: it's just sitting somewhere. Well. Um, this, this Scientific American

896
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: article has the best quote, especially when applied to this show,

897
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: that I've seen in a long time. So I'm gonna

898
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: read it to you. It's from Saclobun or Sachel ban As.

899
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to refer to him as sachelban just because

900
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I enjoy saying it that way. Um. He says, quote,

901
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: there's not as many mysteries in science as people like

902
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: to think. It's not like we know everything. We don't

903
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: know everything, but most things we know enough about to

904
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: know what we don't know. Brilliant. Yeah, he thought that through.

905
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: I like that quote. I still have to say, guys,

906
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm hoping beyond hope. I'm I'm I'm holding steadfast to

907
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: the optimism that there will be something credible, legitimate, improvable found,

908
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, not just not just video footage of mysterious

909
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: lights or objects in the sky, but a physical thing.

910
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: You know. My my money is on it probably being

911
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: suppressed for meant technology, That's what a lot of these

912
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: reports end up being. How cool would it be? How

913
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: cool would it be if it was if it was

914
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: something from somewhere else? I would lose my mind. Would

915
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: you still come into work, you guys if it was

916
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: proven that we've been visited since nine by an extra

917
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: terrestrial species and they're in fact in control of all

918
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: world governments. Maybe not the next day, but would you

919
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: still just go to work? I would? Yeah? Be fun.

920
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I could. It'd be great for the show.

921
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: It might might rob us of some of the mystery. Yeah,

922
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: we could interview, you know, if they all went public.

923
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Didn't imagine we could interview an extra terrestrial and the

924
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: person who was saying, yeah, I knew about this the

925
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: whole time. I'm sorry I couldn't tell you. So we'd

926
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: have like crossfire, but with the extra terrestrials and the

927
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: humans and then maybe I mean members of my family.

928
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: That might be some revelatory stuff when they say, yeah,

929
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: that's what I was, that's what I was doing, you

930
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Maybe members of your families too,

931
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: Maybe members of your family, maybe you listeners, Maybe you

932
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: have some mempho to drop, feel free to do so,

933
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: we'll do a quick teaser for something that, um we

934
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: had talked about off air. That's that's very dark. We

935
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: won't do too much on it because we're going to

936
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: do this in an upcoming episode very soon early. And

937
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: that's the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Jeffrey Epstein is by some

938
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: accounts a multimillionaire, by other accounts of billionaire, and for

939
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: years there have been rumors swarming around his his home

940
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: in Florida concerning his sexual proclivities. He, according to the

941
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: stories and according to the allegations, is a serial abuser

942
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: of children. And not only that, is he a serial

943
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: abuser of children, But the allegations are that, or at

944
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: least the rumors are that he may assist others in

945
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: their attempt to also abuse children, right current President Donald Trump,

946
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: former President William Clinton, among many, many, many others. Here's

947
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: the thing. He did eventually go to court for this,

948
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: and some people who refused to be silent or paid

949
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: off because he settled out a court often um. In

950
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: two thousand five, he was accused of sexually assaulting a

951
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: teenage girl at his home in Palm Beach. Law enforcement

952
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: expanded the investigation to other assaults, including at his private

953
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: island in the US Virgin Islands. Yes, he has a

954
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: private island. Yes, he has a private island. And the

955
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: thing that happened where an ordinary person would probably be

956
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: under the jail for this, Epstein was able to get

957
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: a non prosecution agreement. He had to spend just over

958
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: a year in county jail, kind of he stayed in

959
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: a vacant wing of the jail by himself, and then

960
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: he was released on a work release program for twelve

961
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: hours a day, six days a week to go hang

962
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: out at his private office. And did we mention who

963
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: his lawyers were? We did not that we should mention

964
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: that who are they? A guy named Alan Dershwitz and

965
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: someone you might recognize from the Clinton the Clinton early days,

966
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: the first Clinton prosecutor, Kenneth W. Star. Kenneth Star heard

967
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: of those guys. Yeah, a huge, huge lawyers go. It

968
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: should go without saying that this sort of investing or

969
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: this sort of deal is anomalous to say the least.

970
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: So this non prosecution agreement is sealed, we can't read it,

971
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: and it grants federal immunity to Epstein and four named

972
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: accomplices and also to quote any unnamed potential co conspirators.

973
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: So that means that despite the fact that other victims

974
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: or alleged victims have come forward and said this happened

975
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: to me, this is real and it wasn't just Epstein,

976
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: it was his buddies and now name their names. Even

977
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: if they can prove it, according to this agreement, if

978
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: it holds up, they cannot be federally prosecuted. Wow, it's

979
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: a dark, dark thing, but we are going to dive

980
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: into it in a future episode. This is the end

981
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: of the year as we know it. What better way

982
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: to do a few predictions? You know? How do you

983
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: guys feel fine about the end of the year as

984
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: we know it? Um? Yeah, I mean, I'm ready for

985
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: it's what's one of those years that's kind of in between,

986
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: what feels like in between one of the big ones,

987
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: because we're about to be in I know. But time

988
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: is an illusion, my friend. Time is a flat circle.

989
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: It's a flat illusion. It's not even three D, just

990
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: a star, and we're just dust floating around it, you know,

991
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: dust in the wind, in the cosmic rays. So we

992
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: can't make a few predictions here, right Uh. First off,

993
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: the Mueller investigations can continue. There will probably be some

994
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: blowback from there. It's in your best interest and the

995
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: best interest of everyone, you know, to keep an eye

996
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: on genetic experimentation. The watershed moment has begun very soon,

997
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 1: very soon, Gaddic, gadic incason, we're going to see things

998
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: similar to Gadica yet. But also we'll see burgeoning effects

999
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: of economic inequality global scale. You know, can you imagine

1000
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: your children dying from disease because you did not have

1001
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: the money to get the right sort of snip snip

1002
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: in your genetic code. Climate concerns we didn't even address.

1003
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: That is a huge report that's been released about that

1004
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: numerous animals will go extinct in the wild What are

1005
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: the big questions is whether we are edging towards a

1006
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: full on war, like a hot war, not an information war,

1007
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: not a propaganda war. You may want to do a

1008
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: hot take on the impending hot war. Okay, uh no,

1009
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: it's happening, I know, but that's just me reacting to

1010
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: actually happening. I mean, man, just like the stuff that's

1011
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: going on with China right now, and like the trade

1012
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: wars and um, you know, actively like we've we've we've

1013
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: detained the daughter of the giant Chinese telecom company. That's

1014
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: just the kind of thing that you see look back

1015
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: in history as like a kind of an Archduke Frans

1016
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: Ferdinand type moment, you know. I mean, I'm not trying

1017
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: to be alarmist, but it really does feel like some

1018
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: of the things that are going on right now could

1019
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: just like all of a sudden, it's like, you know,

1020
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: full on chaos. Yeah. Well, war is changing too. If

1021
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about hot takes, there's going to be they're

1022
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: going to be um contained events, you know what I mean.

1023
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: There's still utter chaos in Syria and Russia and the

1024
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: US and Western Powers. They're still fighting there right But

1025
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: I think now that it's so much easier to control

1026
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of national and international media. There could be

1027
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: a war going on that people aren't aware of. There

1028
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: could be an invisible war with extraterrestrials. So we will

1029
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 1: continue making this show until until we can't until Paul

1030
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: refuses to edit anymore because we keep making dirty jokes

1031
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: then asking him to edit them out. So you've got

1032
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: so much dirt on us Mission control. We want to

1033
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: hear your predictions as always, Thank you for listening. What

1034
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: do you think will happen in twenty nineteen and the

1035
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: world of conspiracies, cover ups and other fringe events just

1036
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Speaker 1: off the side of the stage of the American mainstream

1037
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: or the international mainstream, and you could talk with your

1038
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: fellow listeners the most important part of this show on

1039
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: our Facebook page. Here's where it gets crazy. If you

1040
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, give us a call. We

1041
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: are are one eight three three st d w y T.

1042
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: Leave a message and you will get on the show

1043
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: at some point. Hopefully, can it happen. That's a lot

1044
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: of caveats, just because there's so many messages we have

1045
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: to go through something. How about this make your message

1046
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: really shine? Yeah? And then you'll be on the show.

1047
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Speaker 1: There you go, and no copyright please, so don't play

1048
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: any music or anything in the background. We had a

1049
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: couple of those. Really yeah, uh, we can't play that.

1050
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Speaker 1: Just so you know, that's right. It's a good way

1051
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: to get yourself excluded, that's right. If you don't want

1052
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: to do any of that stuff, send us a good

1053
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: old fashioned email. We are conspiracy at how stuff works

1054
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: dot com. And by the way, we're just checking in

1055
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: back over at world ometers dot info and ten thou

1056
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: people were born while we've been recording this episode. Ten

1057
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Speaker 1: tho human beings. So congratulations World, there you go. Pour

1058
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Speaker 1: one out for