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Speaker 2: NFL topics, but first my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 2: So one of the reasons you should be a nice

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Speaker 2: guy or a nice woman is because if you work

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Speaker 2: at a company long enough, mini the people you work

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Speaker 2: with will splinter off. They'll leave, they'll move to another department,

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Speaker 2: they'll move to a rival, they'll move cross town, they'll leave.

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Speaker 2: And so companies more than ever are fluid. Employees more

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Speaker 2: than ever are mobile, and so your reputation will travel.

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Speaker 2: My dad used to say all the time, be nice

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Speaker 2: to people. Lubricate society, because at some point your career

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Speaker 2: will be decided by rooms. You're not in you know people,

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Speaker 2: management will vote on you, owners will discuss you. And

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Speaker 2: so Kyler Murray is viewed recently as being dysfunctional. But

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Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury, he was his coach. Cliff Left has all

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Speaker 2: sorts of info on Kyler Murray. Steve Kime GM left

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Speaker 2: has all sorts of info. Kim also had a staff.

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Speaker 2: Kingsbury had a staff. Look at the people over the

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Speaker 2: last three years that have been with the card executives, coaches, players,

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Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald that are now gone, and when people ask

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Speaker 2: all those people about the Cardinals, they ask about one

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Speaker 2: person in particular, Kyler Murray. So I defended Kyler Murray

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Speaker 2: pretty righteously. For his first three years, he kept getting better.

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Speaker 2: He threw a beautiful football. He reminded me of a

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Speaker 2: smaller Russell Wilson, who I think is a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: And it's a dysfunctional organization starting with ownership, so tough division,

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Speaker 2: weird ownership. I kind of defended him. I said, I'd

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Speaker 2: sign him. You're trapped. You got to have a guy.

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting this offseason, as the Cardinals once again

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Speaker 2: have blown up their coaching staff and made changes in

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Speaker 2: the front office, It's amazing when I went to UFC,

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Speaker 2: sports function that involved anybody in the NFL, how many

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Speaker 2: people are talking about Kyler Murray and it's not good.

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Speaker 2: So I always say, new information equals new opinion. If

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Speaker 2: you were on a flight and you got new information

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Speaker 2: takes an X ray, your son, your daughter gets new information,

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Speaker 2: on the new X ray? Fans Earl is so beholden

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Speaker 2: to you said this a year ago. Yeah, no, shit,

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Speaker 2: information changes. So my feeling on Kyler Murray today is

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Speaker 2: different than a year ago. There is so much information

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Speaker 2: now that has left that building that it's just incredible. Scouts, coaches, executives,

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Speaker 2: people in this sport talk and they talk about Kyler

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Speaker 2: Murray and I have a hard time with indifference. It's

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Speaker 2: Ben Simmons. It doesn't matter how good you are if

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Speaker 2: you don't love it, if you have to be prodded

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Speaker 2: You can have so many flaws. I can't live with indifference.

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Speaker 2: I can deal with ego, I can deal with soft.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do with indifference. So Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 2: But I think of all the quarterbacks in the league,

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Speaker 2: That's not pressure. Justin Fields is different because he shows

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Speaker 2: There's no pressure in Jacksonville. He got to the playoffs

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love's been given a contract that's very team friendly.

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Speaker 2: I asked Jimmy Johnson years ago about leadership and what

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Speaker 2: the fourth round. Dan Mullen once told me, the former

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Speaker 2: tangibles and Dez Bryant who Basically, the Cowboys had to

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that explains Dak Prescott's mental toughness.

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Speaker 2: He's dealt with injuries, He's dealt with criticism, he dealt

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott has always been his very strongest in those moments.

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Speaker 2: He's not an elite arm talent.

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Speaker 2: He's athletic, but not super. His arm's fine, it's not special.

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Speaker 2: But he dealt with des Bryant and the neediness and

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Speaker 2: as they should have. It's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 2: watch Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs. Now, Stephan Diggs, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, is a better player than Dez Bryant and

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Speaker 2: tight end free agency, they went out and got another

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Speaker 2: This is where leadership will come in with Josh Allen. No,

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Speaker 2: Josh is a better athlete than Dak Prescott, bigger arm,

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Speaker 2: aaaa plus AA. But leadership is Deck's strength. And when

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Speaker 2: you can be a great player and a great talent

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Speaker 2: and a great leader Mahomes or Burrow, that's when you separate.

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Speaker 2: To this point, we know Josh Allen is a great athlete.

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Speaker 2: This will be the leadership year. Dealing with Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 2: in this drama and at some point Tom Brady went

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Speaker 2: But they didn't just walk in and say Randy's gone.

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Speaker 2: It's not the way it works. Tom was too powerful.

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Speaker 2: Even though he and Belichick weren't close, you know they

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Speaker 2: step back in talent. The best Patriot teams were not

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Speaker 2: the ones with Moss. It was the teams where you

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Speaker 2: margins are too tight for drama. The noisiest team every

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Speaker 2: off season is one of the more disappointing teams every

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Speaker 2: off season. So I'm really interested to watch Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: this year. First time real drama, A real talented but

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Speaker 2: and stuff. And I said to you, I said, just

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00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: be patient. We'll work together. I said, I respect you.

430
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: You like the right stuff. You're not overly dramatic, you

431
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: have a sense of humor. I'm like, you probably don't

432
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: remember this call, but I do. I remember we had

433
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: a gravel driveway, and so it was probably ten years

434
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: because it took us a year to fix it and

435
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: all the gravel would get stuck in our time. So

436
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: we made it, you know, Cement. And I said to you,

437
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: I said, you're gonna this thing's gonna work. Like all

438
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: these bloggers most full of shit, they don't break any stories.

439
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: And I had gone to my ESPN bosses and I said,

440
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: whoever runs the big lead, he's actually breaking stories. He's

441
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 2: not just aggregating stuff like he breaks stories. Do you

442
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: remember me telling you, and this is probably ten or

443
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: eleven years ago, that we were going to work together.

444
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: I can, I say, I vaguely recall that, Colin. I

445
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: know we would have conversations from time to time about

446
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: the industry, the business, which way it was headed. Could

447
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: you could already see kind of the tea leaves were shifting.

448
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: Things were moving kind of quickly but also slowly, the

449
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: same way cables erosion is happening now. You could kind

450
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: of see how blogs, which had kind of disrupted newspapers

451
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: and sports, all of a sudden, blogs start to get

452
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: phased out as social media pops up. And I could

453
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: kind of see like, Okay, we're making money on the

454
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: big lead. Things are going well, but yeah, I need

455
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: to start thinking about what's next for me, what's next

456
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: in my career? And when you mentioned TV, I was like, well, geez,

457
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: I didn't go to college for that. You know, Am

458
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: I going to be prepared? And I think you. I

459
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: recall you telling me, hey man, you've got nothing to

460
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: worry about. Just be yourself. And that's kind of been

461
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: a lot of the advice you've given me. Just be yourself.

462
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: You do your homework, you're well researched, be ready when

463
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: your numbers called. You know, I feel like that pinch

464
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: hitter in the dugout, waiting for that opportunity and then

465
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: the coach says, all right, get on deck, you're up

466
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: to bet. And you always got to be ready.

467
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: So the New York Times disbanded their sports department. You

468
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: and I talk a lot off the air. It's probably

469
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: our primary discussion off the air is either rumors in

470
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: sports or rumors in our industry. So when they bought

471
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: the Athletic, it was, you know, it was they showed

472
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: their hand. It wasn't going to be the New York

473
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Times Sports department. The Athletic was going to become the

474
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: sports department. I think everybody in the industry sort of

475
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: knew that. I always looked at The New York Times

476
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Sports as sort of people a little precious. If you

477
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: cover bad minton, I'm not going to take you seriously.

478
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: They did didn't really like appear to like sports, So

479
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: you know, for a global newspaper, maybe that works.

480
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: But again, I.

481
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: Think I can think Tyler Kepner did great work with baseball.

482
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I read a lot of him. But I could also

483
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: think you could see this coming from one hundred miles away.

484
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: They they have sports writers that like write once a month.

485
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: It's a grinder's world. There's lots of people in our

486
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: business who are good, they're just infrequent contributors. And as

487
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: somebody that now owns a company, I need daily or

488
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: bi weekly work. Were you shocked by the Times move, No,

489
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: not at all.

490
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: Like you said, there's these feature writers that was like

491
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: the golden position in newspapers. Right, like how you would

492
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: write for Sports Illustrated. You'd like one piece, it would

493
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: take you a month to write it. That would be

494
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: your story. And it was like, that's a plumb job.

495
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: Who would Who wouldn't want to work like that? But

496
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: you could see The New York Times was kind of

497
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: trying to zig when the industry's zagging, like, hey, you

498
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: want to read about the NBA, that's all over the internet, radio, TV.

499
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: We're going to give you all the tennis you can handle.

500
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: We're going to back up the brinkstruck and unload on

501
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: golf and like you said, badminton, and we're going to

502
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: go for kind of these peculiar stories maybe about table

503
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: tennis or what have you. And yeah, they would do

504
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: great investigative work. But again, it's not the kind of

505
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: thing Colin where it's just sustainable where you write one

506
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: story even a week like that just doesn't work. I mean,

507
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: think about it. You when you do the Herd, you've

508
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: got to lead every hour with heavy, strong takes to

509
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: keep the sports fans coming, and you got to do

510
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: that five days a week. Like this idea that writers

511
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: and journalists could work once a week, once a month,

512
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: that's just that's archaic. That stuff does not exist anymore.

513
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: And you know, you see where this is headed, like

514
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: this is the New York Times, you know, the one

515
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: newspaper subscription that's worked. They just said no to their

516
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: sports section. It's over. So you got to start thinking

517
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: about where this goes in five years and ten years,

518
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: and it's not a pretty place. Obviously.

519
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: It's almost like a liberal idealistic tunnel on Skipper figure

520
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: this out at dizone. There's plenty of quotes on the

521
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: internet where John made some you know, some purchases when

522
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: he was at his zone and he figured out touching

523
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: all the bases is irrelevant. You got to go after

524
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: the big stories. It's all anybody talks about, and John Skipper,

525
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't have them in front of me acknowledge that

526
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: is sometimes you know, I think sometimes left leaning journalists

527
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: feel like they want to touch all the bases and

528
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: cover the people that don't get love. It's over. Like

529
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: the athletic. I go for NFL, NBA playoff takes UFC.

530
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's very few things. In fact, I don't

531
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: even go to the athletic for UFC. I go to

532
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: him for NFL, college football, NBA sometimes, you know, I

533
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: have places I go for UFC. I mean, I basically

534
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: have four sports. I love NFL, NBA, college football, and UFC.

535
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: I'll pay whatever it takes to get it. And then

536
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't really count the United States men's national team.

537
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: That's like, you know, that's sort of a that's our team.

538
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: And then I like college basketball and I like baseball,

539
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to pay big money for him.

540
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: If they're there all watch I'll discussed infrequently, but I

541
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: do think there's sometimes in the journalism world there's this

542
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: sense we're going to cover all the bases and it

543
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You've got to cover. You were at the

544
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: big lead. You didn't I remember this. You didn't waste

545
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot of time trying to appease everybody. Take me

546
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: to your thought process on creating a blog that you

547
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: sold for seven figures.

548
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: Well, when you try to please everybody, you please nobody,

549
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: because nobody's going to be happy with your work. I'll

550
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: never forget Colin. I would wake up before school every

551
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: morning in around six o'clock on the East Coast. My

552
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: dad would be leaving for work. He'd pick up the

553
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: Washington Post from the driveway and I'd say, Dad, you know,

554
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: peel me out the sports section, and I would look

555
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: at the sports section and read about what happened in

556
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: sports the night before, Like that's how we used to

557
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: get news. Okay, Now you wake up, your alarm to

558
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: wake up is probably on your phone, and instantly you've

559
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: got a run down of what happened that matters. And

560
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: I know there's NHL purists who believe, like, oh man,

561
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: the NHL draft was crazy. I'm sure it was, but

562
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: the number of people who care about that does not

563
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: matter to me. Running a website, people want to know

564
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: what's going on in the NBA, NFL, college football, and

565
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: then they want the other stuff like Britney Spears versus

566
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: Victor Wambinyama, wackiness like that. They love those wacky stories

567
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: that anyone can relate to. Listen, I played tennis myself.

568
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: I entering a tournament later this month. I can't tell

569
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: you the last story I read about tennis. Okay. I

570
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 3: don't play a lot of golf. I know a lot

571
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: of friends who play golf. They don't read golf, Like,

572
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: there is not really a lot of compelling stories in

573
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: those granular sports. You've really got it as you told

574
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: me once when I got a radio show on Fox

575
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: Sports Radio, play the hits. That was like your number

576
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: one thing. Play the hits. You could lead with Aaron

577
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Rodgers one day, Cowboys the next day. Play the big stories.

578
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 3: People care about that deeply. As much as I I

579
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: want to bag on the Houston Texans, you know I

580
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: can't open a show with that here. You know on

581
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: my podcast, I wasn't blogging much about the inferior teams

582
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: in the NFL. You got to give the people what

583
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: they want.

584
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: You've also always had an eye and I've always loved it,

585
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: but you've had an eye for gambling. You're very good

586
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: at it. And you know, again, I try not to

587
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: be precious the there's a you know, a sense that

588
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: you know gambling. Be very careful about gambling. People can

589
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: get hooked. The average bet when I worked with FanDuel,

590
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: the average bet was four dollars. Ninety nine percent of

591
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: the people are not betting what they can't handle. Are

592
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: there people that can't handle that responsibility? Yes, thirty million

593
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Americans are obese. There are people that can't handle bagels.

594
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: There are people that can't handle alcohol. The disturbance rate

595
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: or distortion rate for gambling is one percent. It's six

596
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 2: percent for alcohol. Lots of people can struggle with alcohol,

597
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: not that many people, you know, the stories are anecdotal.

598
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: There are people to get lost in it. Overwhelmingly people

599
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: at four or five bucks. That's what they gamble. So

600
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: I want to go to your over unders in the

601
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: NFL because you and I are aligned on almost everything.

602
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 2: The one thing or not you hate the Rams, now

603
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: I worry about because I have friends that work with

604
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: them about being a Homer. But I've got friends all

605
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: over the Chargers, and I'm always reluctant to embrace the Chargers.

606
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: But I do think it's a head coach quarterback league,

607
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: and I think there's four positions you got to get right,

608
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: head coach, quarterback, somebody in your front five defensively, and

609
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: a big time weapon, and I think the Rams have

610
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: all of that. I also think they're incredibly young on defense,

611
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: but that's about Kansas City last year was young on defense.

612
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: If you have an elite defender up front, you can

613
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: be really young in your back seven. Because we talked

614
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: about this with Webbin Yama. Offense is refinement. Defense is

615
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: blowing shit up. Defense is about fast speed, can you

616
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: disturb the offense, young defenses. The Jets have all sorts

617
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: of young players. They're fast. If they get injured, they

618
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: get healthier faster. So I think the Rams tend to

619
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 2: be better than people think. What is your and again, coach, quarterback, weapon,

620
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: defensive linemen like you get those four right? You can

621
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: have flaws everywhere. What is your primary concern with the Rams? Well,

622
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: they're clearly top heavy.

623
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: But I do want to let me prefaces by saying

624
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: I'm a big Rams fan now that I move to

625
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: LA Like, Yeah, I like them, I root for them.

626
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: I go to some Rams games. I know people who

627
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: are friends with Stafford in vacation with him. I listen.

628
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: I like the Rams. I've rooted for Stafford. I like

629
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: Cooper cup Colin. This team is Honestly, the Rams are

630
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: closer to being in the Caleb Williams Sweepstakes than the playoffs.

631
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: That's the reality. I had someone how I've been saying

632
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: on your show, give me their defensive depth chart. I

633
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: don't know anybody other than Aaron Donald. They have. They

634
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: drafted I believe fourteen rookies and they signed twenty four

635
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: undrafted players thirty eight. I don't know how many are

636
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: going to make the roster. But Colin, you look at

637
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: that to depth chart, too deep chart on the defense,

638
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 3: and it is one of the worst in the league.

639
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: They are super top heavy with Stafford, who, by the way,

640
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: had a major elbow thing. And I'm just saying, like

641
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: I said on your show, that there's a world where

642
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald maybe gets traded. Like if I'm McVeigh and

643
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: I was close to retirement, what would you want to do?

644
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: Keep going with this old crew, or all of a

645
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: sudden you start out, you know, two and five, one

646
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: and four. It's like, ooh, I don't know what we

647
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: have here. And when I'm looking at over unders, I

648
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: bet the schedule. I think that under on the Rams

649
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: is one of the best bets on the board currently.

650
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: I see it at six and a half. Colin, I

651
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: know you like the Rams. You know lesson you need

652
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: all these guys like you are way off market. Now, listen,

653
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: that's not the worst thing in the world. Last year

654
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: at this time, nobody had the Eagles winning the Super

655
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: Bowl or going to the Super Bowl, you know, so

656
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 3: you know, maybe the Rams exceed expectations. But at six

657
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: and a half, it just tells me man that schedule,

658
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: the age on this team, you know they could be

659
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: in a lot of shootouts and being on the wrong

660
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: end of a lot of them.

661
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Okay, you're most interesting over You have the Ravens over

662
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: nine and a half. My concern is of their top

663
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: nine players, eight have an injury history. Of the Steelers

664
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: top nine players, none do.

665
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: TJ.

666
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: Watt was banged up last year. But when TJ Watt's healthy,

667
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: the Steelers win seventy five percent of their games. But

668
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: you have them as an over Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Deshaun

669
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: Watson should be better. There will be an argument by Thanksgiving.

670
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: It may be one of the best divisions, if not

671
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: the best division in football. So where do you get

672
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: ten plus wins for the Ravens. So I look at

673
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: this usually, you know macro sense, it's NFC overs AFC unders.

674
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: That's pretty much how I would lean because the AFC

675
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: is so incredibly stacked. Why I look at the Ravens, Colin,

676
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: You know, I know we've made fun of not Deshaun Watson,

677
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, right, Lamar Jackson last few years has been hurt.

678
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: But what's funny is with him healthy despite how bad

679
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: the supporting cast has been They've been a first place

680
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: team in November, and all of a sudden, Lamar Jackson

681
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: goes down and the kind of the bottom falls out,

682
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: injuries to the offensive line, injuries to the defense, defense

683
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: getting old. I like the reinvigoration. Offensive coordinator. Munket comes

684
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: from Georgia, and some people have broke down on YouTube

685
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: some stuff that he used to do spread offense even

686
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: with Stetson Bennett. Okay, I know they had a defense

687
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: that carried him to two Natties, but Stetson Bennet's do

688
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: some interesting things in the pocket, a lot of pre

689
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: snap movement that you know, the analytics guys loves. And

690
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: there's a world where Lamar Jackson is in play if

691
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: he's healthy for an MVP award. He's got the best

692
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: supporting cast and skill position he's ever had. And you know,

693
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: I think this was in a movie or something, but

694
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, always bet on Harball because both Harball brothers

695
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: have done a lot of winning and John Harball is

696
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: just a winning coach man. This guy knows what to do.

697
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: So I would lean on the Ravens nine and a half.

698
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: So one other bet you have that's interesting. You have

699
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: the Texans under six and a half. And so I

700
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: have a friend who kind of deals in the world

701
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks college and pro and he's not judgmental. He

702
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: travels around, he sees a lot of them, and he

703
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: was recently at an event where C. J. Stroud was

704
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: at the event Texans rookie quarterback, and his takeaway was,

705
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: I don't get it, like I didn't see the juice.

706
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: He's quiet, he doesn't jump out as a leader. He

707
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 2: throws a nice catchable ball. Ohio State has never had

708
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: a great NFL quarterback. And my argument's always been j

709
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: MA because it's always been is that in the SEC,

710
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: there's six or seven teams with NFL bodies everywhere, but

711
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten outside of Michigan, every team Ohio

712
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: State plays is significantly less talented. And you're just it's

713
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: an easy college life for quarterbacks. As good as a

714
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Georgia quarterback is or an LSU quarterback is, they're facing

715
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: NFL defensive bodies every Saturday, big stadiums, loud, lubricated. It

716
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how good your offensive line is. Two is

717
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: getting banged up. Jalen Hurts at Alabama, You're going to

718
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: get hit in the SEC and Ohio State's offensive lines

719
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: five star. Ohio States receivers five star. It's an easy

720
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: life and it's not a great place to prep for

721
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: the NFL. And so when my friend told me this,

722
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: he said, I just and he's very bright and he

723
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: knows this stuff. He's like, I just don't see it.

724
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: What is your best guess? On CJ. Stroud? We both

725
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: admit Bryce his size is a concern. He's probably the

726
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: number one guy. There's a lot of back and forth

727
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: on Justin Fields. There's a lot of back and forth

728
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: on CJ. Stroud. Generally there'll be a quarterback that we

729
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: all sort of go, yeah, he's the best guy. Caleb Williams.

730
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: Next year, he's the best guy. Luck Trevor Lawrence, right, Like,

731
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: there's a guy Burrow. You thought he was better than

732
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I did, but he's gonna be fine. CJ. Stroud's in

733
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: that justin Fields category, the Sam Darnold category. Like people

734
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: are taking sides. What side are you on?

735
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on the side of The Texans are probably

736
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: a four win team. Colin. They were an abject disaster

737
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 3: last year and now you have a rookie quarterback. As

738
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: you said from Ohio State, which hasn't produced any great ones.

739
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: By the way, two years ago, Stroud, you probably had

740
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: a better receiving cast at Ohio State than he will

741
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: this year. Remember Olave Wilson Harrison like, he doesn't have

742
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: those guys in the NFL. Now, rookie head coach who

743
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: is a defensive head coach, and you go on rants

744
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: probably weekly about how defensive head coaches that's not your

745
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 3: jam in the NFL. First time play caller, I believe

746
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: that is so much newness. And this is the second

747
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: straight year in free agency where they just go and

748
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: they just get guys. There's no like, ooh, that's a

749
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: great buy, that's a great bargain, what value. You don't

750
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 3: hear any of that With the Texans free agent moves,

751
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: the GM in trouble. This franchise is just I don't

752
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: see it. This is definitely an under six and a

753
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: half for me. I actually feel they're in the basement

754
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: in the division. It's not that hot of a take,

755
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: but I think the Indianapolis Colts with Shane Steichen, offensive guy,

756
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: will finish ahead of the Texans.

757
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: All Right.

758
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: We sent him to the Summer League, and as usual,

759
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: he crushed it Jason timp coops tonight. I thought Wemby's

760
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: first performance was a lot of jitters. I mean, the

761
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: idea at nineteen of going into a foreign country and

762
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: be the star attraction against you know, guys who are

763
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: literally trying to make the league and are fighting for

764
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: their survival and roster spot. You know, he knows he's

765
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: already gonna make the team, so I thought it was

766
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: kind of predictable that he would struggle. It was choppy,

767
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, though, when I watched them today,

768
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, his size is just so impactful. There's just

769
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: there's just no way around it. He's gonna He's gonna

770
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: have twenty five point nights. So let's let's start with

771
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: the difference. You saw Jason game one, Game two. What

772
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: jumped out to you?

773
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 5: This is so funny To me, that news cycle was

774
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 5: objectively hilarious. It's like, Okay, here's this guy who already

775
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 5: has been good against pros in France, who already was

776
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 5: great against the G League night team, like destroyed them

777
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 5: in two games in America a few months back, in

778
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 5: like one game in Summer League, and everyone was rewriting

779
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 5: whether or not this prospect was worth all of the hype,

780
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 5: and then big shock he comes out with twenty seven

781
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: and twelve with three blocks. Today, the big thing that

782
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: stood out to me was just process. Like, honestly, I

783
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 5: would I looked over at Carson and Logan our nerd

784
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 5: Sash guys right before the game, and I'm like, I

785
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 5: wonder if they're gonna play basketball or just throw him

786
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 5: the bat or just throw them the ball, let him

787
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: play ISO pickup ball. And that's what they did in

788
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 5: that first game. For several possessions, He's just standing on

789
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: the wing dribbling like he's Kevin Durant against Kai Jones.

790
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: And that's literally the hardest way to play basketball. And

791
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 5: you know, I kind of did a little thing on

792
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: my show today. Every young player has a floor in

793
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: a ceiling, and their floor is mainly based on what

794
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 5: they're already great at, and then their ceiling is based

795
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 5: on whether or not they can address their weaknesses. He

796
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: has things that he's great at. He's the greatest combination

797
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: of height and length and coordination of any center that

798
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: we've ever seen. He's already got great defensive instincts and

799
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: a good amount of offensive polish. So if you play

800
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: easy basketball with him, he will excel. There was a

801
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 5: sequence at the end of this game where he set

802
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 5: a ball screen, there was a switch, he flashed to

803
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 5: the middle of the floor. They threw him the ball

804
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 5: and he just quick shot a little turnaround fade away

805
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 5: over his right shoulder to make it to get it

806
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: back to four. Very next possession, guy drives along the

807
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 5: left side, the rim protector gets occupied. He just relocates

808
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 5: to the left wing and takes a wide open catch

809
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: and shoot three, and he makes it to get it

810
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: back to one. I'm like, this is what it's gonna

811
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 5: look like in San Antonio real basketball, where he has

812
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: an opportunity to demonstrate what he's great at. And I'm

813
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 5: not surprised at all that he popped in that setting.

814
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: I thought all of the reaction to Game one was

815
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: really misplays, disrespectful to what he's already accomplished as a pro,

816
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 5: and just it was predictable.

817
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: That he would it bounce back the way he did today.

818
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the game one. In Game two, there was

819
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: a moment where somebody ripped the ball out of his hands,

820
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: and I do think like if somebody said to me, like,

821
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: what's the one glaring weakness, I would say weakness. He's nineteen, Like,

822
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: you know, guys are you know he put the ball

823
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: up a couple times and guys just grab it and

824
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: pulled it out of his hands. And it's like, yeah,

825
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: you can tell he need. You know, when you start

826
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: looking at these veteran NBA guys, they look like they've

827
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: been in a professional weight room for seven years. Like

828
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: it's just a different definition. So if you told me like,

829
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: I could see them building a schedule and saying and

830
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: I thought I said this with Okac, they should do

831
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: it for chet Holmegron fifty eight games. Just take some

832
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: road trips off, stay home, lift weights for four days

833
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: instead of that two team road trip to say, you know, Houston, Orlando,

834
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: stay home, eat, work out, try to make as many

835
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: home games as you can right and have a limited

836
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: road schedule. Not that you don't need to go on

837
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: the road, but there'll be times. I just want him

838
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: to stay home, sleep, eat, lift and play fifty eight games.

839
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: And I feel that way with Wemby. It's like, obviously

840
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: he has his motors running. I mean, when you know,

841
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: when you were nineteen, you could polish off two turkey

842
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: sandwich is glass of milk, two cookies hour later, you're

843
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: starting right like that's who he is. He's nineteen, He's

844
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: going to burn seven calories, and it's like the only

845
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: thing I look at. I think he just needs to

846
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: get stronger. He just needs he needs just nights off,

847
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: because you know, I've talked to NBA guys about this.

848
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: You start burdening calories when you're nineteen, twenty twenty one

849
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: to twenty two. It's hard to keep weight on if

850
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: you're playing forty at night in this because these guys,

851
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys Jason, especially college guys, didn't

852
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: play any defense in college matchup zones, and you kind

853
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: of regard a space. It's the first time you've had

854
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: to guard a guy, so like it is a whole

855
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: different ballgame. So I just think, I think he's just

856
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: gonna get a little bit stronger. But there were a

857
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: couple when you need those back to back dunks, there

858
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: are these moments of like he's just gonna get some

859
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Like there's you could you know when a players great

860
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: when you perfectly defend them and they score like length

861
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: is undefeated, like it just wins all the time. If

862
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: Durant's six ' eight he's not the same player. He's

863
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: just really really good. So and I thought, I will

864
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: tell you this, he's a really gracious kid, like I

865
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: think he's really grateful for it, and I think it matters,

866
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: like I don't see any I thin. He's just really,

867
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, very grateful for it. I don't know. I

868
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: think he's got the perfect you know, I'm gonna throw

869
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: a through really quickly. So Popovich got Lucky Robinson Duncan

870
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: like the nicest guys in the world. Right. Then he

871
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: gets Kawhi, who's difficult, right, and he leaves and he

872
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: says to himself, I'm not doing that. Wemby has got

873
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: an old school grateful personality, a little bit the old school, right,

874
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: And the foreign players, as we've discussed, come into the

875
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: country and they're very appreciative. It's new. All visitors are

876
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: more polite, right you go overseas I do or more polite.

877
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: I think he's been waiting for the next you know,

878
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: just happened to be an international player. I think they're

879
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: gonna do really well. I think this is going to

880
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: be Popovich just third run to you.

881
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

882
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 5: I mean the beauty of having a personality like that

883
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: at a position like that. If you think about duncan is,

884
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 5: it makes it really easy to bring different types of

885
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: volatile ball handlers around him, because not only is he unassuming,

886
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 5: he is your foundational piece. He's the guy that you

887
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 5: build your entire defense around. On offense, he's the guy

888
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 5: that's going to pick and pop to the top of

889
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 5: the to the key, or to beat switches with smaller guys,

890
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 5: he'll bury him in the post. But he actually needs

891
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: a primary ball handler. And so when you have a

892
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 5: guy like that who also has a great attitude, it's

893
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 5: going to make it really easy to find players that

894
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 5: want to play with him. I really like the point

895
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 5: you made about putting on weight, because I've never thought

896
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 5: of it thought about it that way in terms of

897
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 5: cutting back his playing time as a vehicle with which

898
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 5: to put on muscle, because it is so difficult to

899
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 5: maintain weight at alone gain weight during a basketball season.

900
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 5: Every year I'd play, I'd go into the season at

901
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: like two twenty seven, twenty nine, and I come out

902
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 5: of the season like two seventeen, two nineteen, because like you,

903
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 5: just all you're doing is playing and playing and sweating

904
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 5: and playing and working out and going to class and

905
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: you just don't ever have an opportunity to do what

906
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: it takes to keep the weight on until you get

907
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 5: to the offseason. So I like that idea of kind

908
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: of like minimizing his workload as an opportunity to put

909
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 5: on weight and to help avoid injuries. But you know,

910
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 5: it's funny because the ceiling with him is completely ridiculous, right,

911
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: the crazy high level shot making, the one legged three

912
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 5: point shot that he takes from the top of the

913
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: key that he actually made quite a bit when he

914
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 5: was in Europe, all the stuff that he can do defensively.

915
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 5: But overnight he's going to be really good in ways

916
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 5: that impact winning. In terms of rim protection. He closed

917
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 5: out a ton of possessions at the end of that game,

918
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: just snatching defensive rebounds over the top of everybody getting

919
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 5: to the foul and he shot twelve free throws tonight

920
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: just because when he reaches to shoot over the top

921
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 5: of people, they go for the ball and they get

922
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: four armed because they're just not close to where he is. Right.

923
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: But here's the thing. He's not gonna win Rookie of

924
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: the Year most likely because it's gonna be someone like

925
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 5: Scoot Henderson, someone that's gonna put up a ton of

926
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 5: numbers that's going to pop earlier in their career with

927
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 5: the way that their skill set goes. He's gonna be

928
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 5: the kind of guy that all your long people are

929
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 5: going to be looking for opportunities to minimize what he's doing.

930
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: This is the dude that five to ten years from

931
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 5: now has the potential to be both the best offensive

932
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 5: player in the league and the best defensive player in

933
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 5: the league. That is the ultimate ceiling there, but that

934
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 5: will take time. He's not someone that's necessarily going to

935
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: pop statistically early on, and so I hope people I

936
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 5: hope people treat him with that level of fairness. But

937
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 5: as far as Popovich goes, and I don't know if

938
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 5: you saw, there's kind of a caveat there where like

939
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 5: he may not actually stay on and coach that whole

940
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 5: time because he's also the president of basketball operations. So

941
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: they might work something out where they phase him out,

942
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 5: but then maybe he can pick the successor at that point.

943
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 5: But because of his specific personality and his skill set,

944
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 5: they're going to be able to find pieces to surround

945
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 5: him with. People are going to want to play with

946
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 5: this guy. I think the Spurs are going to be

947
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: relevant for the next decade.

948
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: So I mean one of the coaches that's clearly on

949
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: the hot seat is Brandon Staley with the Chargers, no question,

950
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: if they don't make the playoffs, defensive coach, third year

951
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: wasting justin Herbert's career, it'll be the only elite quarterback

952
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: in the league that's not like growing.

953
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: Right.

954
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: So my takeaway is if they don't make the playoffs

955
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: and in the AFC, you got to win those close

956
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: games Chargers, which historically you haven't, right, you just can't

957
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: give away games when you outplay teams. If they fire

958
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley, I think they'll make the Calder Lincoln Riley.

959
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: But what saves USC is that he makes over ten

960
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: million a year and that he'd want fifteen because he

961
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: can stay at USC as long as he wants. And

962
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore would get the job because the

963
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: spanosy is historically don't spend on coaches. You could give

964
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: Kellen four and a half, you know, four and a half,

965
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: five and a half, six and a half, But I

966
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: think the two coaches because you can't go from defensive

967
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: coach the defensive coach. If no, you'd have to go offense.

968
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: And my guess is the people in LA would say

969
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: take Lincoln Bruin fans will certainly screamed at, but I

970
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: think but I think Kellen Moore would be next in line.

971
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: So to me, Brandon Staley has the most heat on

972
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: him in the league. Is there a second?

973
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know, I think Jerry shown

974
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: to be a little more patient in fairness Mike for

975
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: two years that they have been successful and it's not

976
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: like they're going up against the bar where it's NFC

977
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: championship or bust. Right, they haven't been in one in

978
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: two and a half decades. I would say, you know

979
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: that it feels like the Tomlin and the Harbaugh feel

980
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: a little bit untouchable. I saw a story today and

981
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this over the last

982
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: several months. It's unique because this guy's and six Super Bowls,

983
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: but there is a weird elephant in the room. Pressure

984
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: on Bill. I think there was tangible pressure of him

985
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: being aggressive and stealing his offensive coordinator from his good

986
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: friend Nick Saban. Obviously they have a relationship, but you

987
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: know Nick doesn't love losing offensive coordinators all the time,

988
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: like he fights to keep those guys. They usually go

989
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: on to be head coaches, not another offensive coordinator. I

990
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: guess Brian dabol did it too, But I think there's

991
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: enough smoke where there is no one's acting like Belichick's

992
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: the village idiot. But isn't there just a time where

993
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: every coach, well, usually it doesn't go like Popovich where

994
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: you just don't win for seven eight years and kind

995
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: of get to survive. Usually during that period it ends,

996
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't care how many championships you have in the

997
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: history of sports, and how are they going to be

998
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: that good relative to the AFC Colin.

999
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: And also, if you read Ian O'Connor's book on Belichick

1000
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: or Jeff Benedict's, when you start reading these books, it's

1001
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: pretty clear that the Craft family, Robert Steven somebody has

1002
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: been at least one of the sources for some of

1003
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: the Belichick criticism. So it's they, You know, Bill, My

1004
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: wife used to say this, he was an HR for

1005
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: a long time. She said nobody, and it's not true,

1006
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: but she said, very rarely in her career when she

1007
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: fired somebody. Were they surprised? Right now? Now, we just

1008
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: had some horrible media layoffs, but very rarely as a

1009
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: coach fired and everybody goes, WHOA. When Belichick he's always

1010
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: had kind of a you know, he's short with people.

1011
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 2: He can be sort of condescending right media certainly for sure.

1012
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: Obviously he didn't get along great with Brady. No dinners

1013
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: together in twenty some years, so it wasn't great. But

1014
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: for the Crafts or somebody in their circle, there's a

1015
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: lot of inside information critical of Bill and those books.

1016
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: It had to come somebody in that family or near it.

1017
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: I think they would first go to him and talk

1018
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: about a consulting, seven figure consulting role. But fourth place

1019
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: is fourth place. And I think the minute he went

1020
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator to offensive coordinator, he sort of laid the

1021
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: groundwork because what happened is he not only made the

1022
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 2: offense worse. It's a little bit of a speed bump

1023
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: for mac Jones, and reportedly Benvollen said this week that

1024
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: mac Jones and his family have forged a relationship with

1025
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: the Crafts so smart, so they're hearing things, They're hearing

1026
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: the frustration. I don't think it's outrageous after the year,

1027
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: if Bill steps down and there's a backdoor deal of

1028
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: some monetary noteworthy monetary value.

1029
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: I just don't see in the AFC. I mean, they

1030
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: would have to have the number one defense in the league.

1031
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: They would have to just be an incredible special teams team.

1032
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: Now granted they've been good in those units, but I'm

1033
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: talking the cream of the crop, because just look at

1034
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: their offensive personnel.

1035
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: It's not explosive enough.

1036
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: And you can't just go nineteen eighty seven, you know,

1037
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: try to run for twenty eight hundred yards in this

1038
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: leak current league, especially in the division there in which

1039
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: can all score points, right, have explosive quarterbacks.

1040
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: That's the other thing when.

1041
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: You're an owner or you know, and the fans, you

1042
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: get to see the Miami Dolphins offense and Josh Allen

1043
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: and now Aaron Rodgers. That's six games right that your

1044
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: watching start to finish and you kind of really know.

1045
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: And they've had a front row seat now in Josh

1046
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Allen kicking their ass for a little while, and now

1047
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: with Tua being more explosive, or even if Mike White

1048
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: has to play the amount of talent they have on offense,

1049
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: they're going to score points in Miami. So I'm with you.

1050
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: I think he has I think trouble is ahead. You

1051
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: know it doesn't make him like he's got stupid overnight

1052
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: or now he's an idiot, And I think other teams

1053
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: would be very interested. But that also be interesting, right

1054
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: a guy over seventy very stuck in his ways. He

1055
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: was used to making a lot of coin. I mean

1056
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: someone just giving him four years eighty million dollars.

1057
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: It used to be that Belichick would work young front

1058
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: offices and poorly owned and run franchises like he did

1059
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: a lot of deals with Cleveland, you know, Buffalo.

1060
00:58:58,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: The fact that he re signed DeVante Parker, who is

1062
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: last in the league three years in a row at separation,

1063
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: the fact that they signed Juju Smith Schuster. The Chiefs

1064
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: worked the Patriots. The Chiefs got the value in the ring,

1065
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: didn't have to pay Juju. So the Chiefs now are

1066
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: working the Patriots. People are working the Patriots. It used

1067
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: to be New England work the other teams. So by

1068
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: signing Devonte Parker and not having really a high end

1069
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: tight end, what does it do? It makes Mac Jones

1070
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: less crucial. This team can win one way. Now, run

1071
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: game in defense, that's it. There is no because Ma's

1072
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: not an offscript player. So what it does is it

1073
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: forces I mean, Devonte Parker can only be schemed open.

1074
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't get open. So what it does it forces

1075
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: mac Jones to be incredibly coachable. I mean, who in

1076
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: the world in this league on offensive coach would re

1077
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: sign the Vontae Parker for three years none.

1078
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: It's insane. It's insane.

1079
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 2: It really forces mac Jones to play Bill's way. That's

1080
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: what it feels like to me. I mean, Juju Smith

1081
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: Schuster kind of a slot guy, doesn't really separate. DeVante

1082
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: doesn't separate. By the way, what do they do in

1083
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: the draft? Two kickers, three guards. Again, speed Deficiency's offense

1084
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 2: never addressed them. They went three defensive players first, three guards,

1085
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: two kickers, didn't go to receiver until the end. So again,

1086
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: he's creating a team that can win in Bill's worldview,

1087
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: not Max, not where. Remember when Brady and Randy Moss

1088
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: really lit the world up. That's kind of the beginning

1089
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: of where Bill lost his leverage. It wasn't in the

1090
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: super Bowl. It was like, oh, Tom's the greatest quarterback ever,

1091
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 2: literally shattered records. That's when Tom started doing more commercials,

1092
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: was more comfortable speaking out, And I think that's coin

1093
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: of the tipping point. Where Bill felt I'm not going

1094
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: to do that again. I'm not going to make a

1095
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: guy and then lose control

1096
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: The volume