WEBVTT - Walking and Silence 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:06.600 Today's episode of Ephemeral features the track Deathless by musician 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.239 Nathaniel Kraus. Here the full piece at Nathaniel Krauss dot 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.720 band camp, dot com, links and more on our website 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:25.160 Ephemeral dot show. Ephemeral is production of my Heart three 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:32.800 D audio for fell Exposure. Listen with that phones. This 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.360 is our second episode based on my conversation with explorer 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.120 and author Arling Cogan. If you miss it, Part one 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.680 will give you more backstory about earls life as an explorer. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.400 I've just done a lot of interviews. Are like, I 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.360 feel like you've done probably a tremendous amount of interviews 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:53.280 in your life. I have never counted. Ah, yeah, you 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.440 know when silence came out, and also walking came out 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.320 and philosophy for polar explorers. So I did honor something 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.040 too is probably, but recently not so many. I guess 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.959 I'm late to the party that that I happened. Congratulations. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.640 Earling spent his young adulthood engaged in record setting expeditions, 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.600 sailing around the world, climbing on everest, hiking to the 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.320 North and South Poles on foot the ladder completely alone. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.240 Then I kind of changed my life and became a 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.560 family man. I'm still a family man, but I think 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.520 it's a season of every thing. And I keep on 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.640 doing old doors and keep on doing expeditions, but with 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.679 a lower profile, and I really enjoy writing books. In 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.960 After we put out the episode Sounds of Silence, on 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.000 the work of composer John Cage, a friend gave me 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:48.360 a copy of EARLINGOK Silence in the Age of Noise. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.240 This is probably the trickiest question I give you all day, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:58.520 But what what is silence? Silence is to me more 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.800 like an idea in the sense that before I start 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.320 to write about silence, and also before I walked alone 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.280 to the self pole, almost in total silence, I thought 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.600 about silence as the opposite to sounds. But of course 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.760 sounds you can measure in decibels, while silence you can't 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.560 really measure. So to me, silence is kind of the 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.000 opposite of noise. And then I think about noise. Obviously 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.600 it sounds, but it's also all kinds of distractions you 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.280 have through today, that the telephone is beeping, a car 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.720 is passing, a radio is running, and of course also 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.720 you're like man made lights. During the nights, you can't 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.680 see the starry night and all this is noise to me, 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:50.080 and silence is about yourself. It's about your inner core. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.680 It's about getting to know yourself. And this silence, inner 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.280 silence is there all the time waiting for you to 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:04.680 explore it. We're living in the age of noise. So 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.200 much is about noise. So much is about forgetting yourself, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.720 and about living through other people, living through your telephone, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.280 living through a TV series, living through games, etcetera. You 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.760 keep on telling yourself all this kind of small day 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.760 to day lives and half truths. Silence is about the opposite, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.919 is about getting to know of yourself, and of course 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.840 to get to know yourself. That has been said for 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.400 thousands of years. That's one of the most important things 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.920 you can do to live a rich life. And I 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.960 think every idea that has survived for more than one 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:44.920 thousand years you should take seriously. In the book, Earling 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:50.240 sides a lot of great sources on silence, including artists, philosophers, scientists, 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.280 and poets, but maybe the most important research came from 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:59.760 personal experience. You know, my best background is that I 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.280 walked by myself to the South Pole for fifty days 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.880 and nights with no radio contact in total silence into 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.320 this huge last white nothingness which is Antarctica to the 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:17.280 South Pole. As the first doing it Solow. That expedition 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.160 taught my great lesson of silence, because you know, when 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.239 they walked down there and you don't talk to anyone, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.320 and you kind of stopped thinking. Because as soon as 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.080 you start to think too much, you think about the 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.240 past or the future. That's kind of noise too. So 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.640 it's starting to experiencing the world. Experiencing yourself is getting 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.400 to noviorself better. When I started out, I felt that 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.200 everything was white and everything was flat all the way 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.839 to the horizon. But as the hours and days and 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.920 weeks passed by and you kind of start to see 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.080 that it wasn't totally white after all. It was a 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.080 little bit bluish, reddish, greenish, even pinkish in the snow 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.840 and the eyes. And it wasn't flat either. It was 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.720 kind of different structures on the ice. So then I 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.200 start to wonder if Antarctic I was changing, But of 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.080 course Antarctica remained the same. I was the one who 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.599 had changed. That experience really taught me a great lesson 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.160 on silence. And as the pulvert Emi, the Dickinson wrote 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.520 the brain is wider than the sky, and by that 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:29.080 expedition I very well understood what she meant. And then 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.600 I became a father of three girls, and I had 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.920 to start to get a proper job, and my life 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.680 became all about noise afterwards. So this combination about doing 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.240 outdoors and living a busy life, like most of the 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:49.200 people maybe really feel for writing on silence. And also 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.520 then I sat on to read great philosophers on silence, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.400 and also some you know, some great authors who have 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.920 already written about silence. But the problem with the philosopher 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.560 is that you know, hardly any philosophers actually write about silence. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.160 One of the first things you read learn at college 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.440 studying philosophy is that nothing comes from nothing. Ex and 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.880 he'll he'll fit. You know, it's easy to think about 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:19.120 silence as nothing, and then nothing comes from nothing. I 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.560 was just surprised to see how few philosophers actually had 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:30.800 bordered thinking about silence. Why do human brains up for chaos? 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.760 Why does it seem like all of us are just 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.520 our brains are just destined for chaos sometimes, you know, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.880 to me, it was a surprise because when I sat 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.920 down to write about silence. You know, I thought about 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.479 myself and everybody else that in the mind that you 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.000 didn't have too much chaloes. But starting to think further 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.359 about it, I think we all have these chales in 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.080 our head almost all the time. The importance of silence 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.359 is sometimes to get order or all these chaos being 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.719 present in our own life, to experience not to think 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.280 too much. Also, in the scilence, you're kind of seeking opportunities, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.960 So silence is also kind of opposite all these chaos 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.040 that goes on in our minds all the time. Demo 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:19.040 technology is certainly a great disturber, but I think it's 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.800 important to think about in a time before all this technology. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.320 Three fifty years ago, seventy years ago, this French philosopher 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.040 Blessed Pascal wrote this book where he claimed that no 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.240 man is able to sit by himself for fifteen minutes 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:43.560 in silence doing nothing. Of course, when he wrote this 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.200 in the six and fourties, it was already a big 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.119 problem that we have chaos in our minds. Of course, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:54.080 today with the smartphone and all this other technology, the 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.840 problem has become so much more massive. So back to 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:03.080 Pascal again, instead of doing nothing, we start to do something, 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.280 and I think that's the origin of course not all, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.960 but most other problems. If I managed to kind of 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:17.160 sometimes just be quiet, be still listening to ourselves, not 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.360 exploring yourself in the world while looking into a screen, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:25.000 but kind of look up, I think we can find 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.080 much more peace, and you can find much more low 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.200 I think, and you will live a more meaningful life. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.800 So it's not about being anti technology. It's more like 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:42.240 learning how to relate to technology, because you know, it's 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.000 almost insane if you think about the way we're living 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.800 relating to technology. When they walk the streets and they 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.720 see grown men grabbing the telephones to the air like 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.600 there should be teddy bears and totally focused on that telephone. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.199 To me, it's absolutely insane. I don't know what kind 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.319 of vertically I love to use in the program for 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.320 the kind of you know, you mind get absolutely fucked up. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.280 You see home, you're googling something, you find what is 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.400 searching for Twenty minutes later, half novelater, you're still googling. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.920 Some of the brightest people on Earth, working day and night, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:20.240 extremely well paid to get too addicted to all this absolution. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.880 But you know, in many ways it is absolutely terrible. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.240 One of the things that I really appreciate about your 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.920 writing is that you insert yourself so much into it, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.440 Like you talk about those things as being problematic, but 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.720 also like participating yourself in them, like as just like 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.240 another member of you know, of the human race in 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.120 this modern era. And that's how I feel, man. I mean, like, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.960 you know, I'm big on the mindfulness and disconnecting and 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.840 getting out in the silence, but I also am doing this. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.840 I do the same thing. I get in on the phone. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.839 I feel like I talked on the phone for eight 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.680 hours yesterday or something. You probably did. You know, I 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.839 wouldn't like to write a book and give everybody advice 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.480 about how to live and look at me because I'm 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.600 such a great person, because you know, I'm also getting 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.360 hooked on this technology. And that's also why I thought 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.480 I had that message to tell, because I lived through it. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.000 I always had my phone with me somehow, or I 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.080 tempted to have my phone with me all the time. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.440 Maybe the biggest mistake of doing the world today is 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.160 to avoid nature, to think that we're kind of above nature, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.559 that we don't need nature, that we don't need to 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.040 listen to nature. I think that's the main reason for 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.800 people feeling restless, why they feel insulated, why they feel lonely, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:47.400 quite also why people feel depressed, because we avoid nature 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.080 almost happens. I've always been a walking species. We have 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.680 always been exploring the world by walking, by feeling, by touching, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.000 by smellling, listening, see in and that has defined us 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.040 as a species. While today we're the first generation who 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.360 just sit on over arsis and exploring the world looking 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.640 down into a screen. And of course this is doing 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.880 something to our mental health. I just read in the 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:21.240 paper somewhere that people like average spent four hours every 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:25.000 day on social media, and other people, of course spent 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.240 four hours every day on looking at TV on what 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.840 don't you do both? But let's say you spend four 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.640 hours every day doing this kind of media, that adds 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.880 up to a hundred and twenty thousand hours of your life, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.000 about thirteen years day and night plus minus. When you 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.560 are as well as me, you start to go to 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.720 six eighty ninety birthdays. In more ways, and Sweden we 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.959 have this problem which goes all this so comic in 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:01.959 the shunty at shall believe it. All these days amounts 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.440 and years that passed by, came and went I didn't 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.719 really understand that was life. Do you know? It's a 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.920 little bit sad because somehow people start to fair, not 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.000 on the death, but maybe even more to start to 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.680 fair late in life that I'll kind of missed alt 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:25.480 on this huge opportunity to have a great life. But 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.200 do not despair. How does one find silence in the noise? 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:38.440 Maybe try taking a walk? What does it mean to 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.160 live in the present moment? I think it's an idea 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.640 that we're all familiar with, but like, what does that 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.400 look like? Like? How how does one achieve such a thing? 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.720 You can achieve it by almost any means. First of all, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.400 I think in general the present hurts, just like Pascal 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.040 I mentioned earlier on the present hurts, and that's why 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.360 we try to avoid it. And the opposite to the presence. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.840 Of course, it's the future on the past, and every 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.280 time you think, as I said, you're thinking about the 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.680 future on the past. The present has to be about 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.920 experiencing the moment there and then I can do it 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.240 in nature. But you know, it's also about shutting out 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:27.400 the world and experiencing your own silence or you're inner silence. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.600 Whenever you run, could food, have sex, study, chat work, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.240 think of the idea, read or dance, and you know, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.120 I love it. That's when you can be really in 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.280 the present moment. And of course if you make low 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.120 and you're not in the present moment, of course you 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.760 all experienced that, but it's not so interesting to make 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.880 low if you're not in the present moment. I think 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:59.640 it's different in early published walking one step at a time. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.040 I think walking is quite often about silence. Of course, 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.520 you can walk with people and talk, or you know, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.040 use your phone or listening to music. But sometimes I 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.000 would try to walk without holding anything in my hands 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.839 and not having anything in my ears, and then it 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.800 is very much about silence. You have it in the 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.160 English language, just like you have it in the Norwegian 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.520 language and in sun script. That when you move you're 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:37.960 being moved motion, emotion. So this is something you find 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.520 in almost any language, at least as I know about. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:46.960 So this walking is doing something to your mind. The 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.800 reason Socrates was walking all the time was not because 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.120 you wanted to become fit. It was because you want 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.720 to meet people and they want to think better, like 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.720 a Steve Jobs. Definitely a huge and very important innovator 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.000 and businessman, and of course he walked all the time too. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.480 And also, of course I think a great thing with 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.040 walking is that get all to the house, to get 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.720 away from a family, get away from your friends. You 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.280 can have a break and you can decide your own 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.320 speed and hopefully you can see the starry night or 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.240 the sunrise, or you can listen to the birds, are 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:29.960 listening to a river, or you're just footsteps, and all 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.560 this is about getting closer to yourself. I think it's 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.960 definitely plaform of meditation, and I think meditation in general, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.600 and yoga and mindfulness, all these are to me great ideas. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.240 But one of the reasons I wrote those two books 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.520 was because I felt you can definitely experience great meditation 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:55.080 and also deeper in a silence without using any techniques, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.600 for instance, just by walking. That's cheap and it's always 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.800 availble bull like I flew from all Slaughter Sri Lanka 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.400 to be on this retreat. It was either there that 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.040 it was a vegan, it was your goa all the time. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.080 It was quite silent, peaceful, and it was great. And 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.400 when I came home after twelve days or something to Norway, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.320 I was very happy. But then I started to wonder, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.000 did that we all have to travel half the world 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:30.480 to experience this kind of emotion. Um uh yeah, I 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.760 haven't come back to Sri Lanka. I kind of very 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:39.760 interesting when you mentioned that you personally maybe use working 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.200 as one of your primary modes of meditation. Maybe that's 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.600 a little culturally determined, right, Like if you had been 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.520 born somewhere else, grown up somewhere else, that maybe it 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.680 would be a different approach. Absolutely, it's interesting to see 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.440 in theres of walking. It's like I grew up in Norway, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.080 they close to nature. We didn't have a car. My 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:04.600 father insisted that cars and TV and motor boats and 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.199 a few other things very diseases in the world. So 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.560 we walked quite a bit, so of course I was 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.359 kind of ingrained in my life. One of the most 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.160 difficult cool questions I had as a father was my daughters, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.080 all three daughters. They always asked me, why do you 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.480 have to walk when it's faster to drive? And I fact, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.360 that's a very good question. And that's also another reason 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.240 I wrote the book, because you know, some of the 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.960 best and obvious things in life are not that easier 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.360 to explain. When I wrote about walking, I just studied 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.960 walking cultures in different places, and interestingly, like in Bombay 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.680 in India, you see poor people walking all the time. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.320 Rich people they are having cars and even helicopters to 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.080 get around, And of course in a norn Europe you 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.920 see that it's the opposite. It's quite often the privilege 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.200 of walking because they have the time and all. So 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.399 you can quite often the live in nicer neighborhoods, so 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.840 closer to the forest, so it's kind of more natural 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:12.280 to walk. But walking is something also deeply democratic because 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.560 everybody can do it. When you read about the big 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.560 revolutions in history or the world, at least the ones 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.199 I've read about, they have usually started by people walking 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.760 the streets. And of course this is something politicians quite 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.399 often are kind of worried about, because if sufficient of 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:35.040 people walking the streets, they become very, very powerful. And 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:39.320 also walking is a bit an artistic in the sense 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.280 that as long as you're driving, you will kind of 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.240 get from a to B in a particular speed and 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.920 you will follow the rules. Or you take the metro, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.240 or you take the channel, you take the bus, and 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.640 it's all kind of regulated by the government. But then 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.240 by walking, you can walk very we like you don't 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.480 have to follow the tracks of the form all the 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.840 trump and you can have your own speed, you can 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:09.760 do details, and you can stop whenever you please. You 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.960 mentioned politicians, right, like, certainly here in the US, I 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.960 think of it at least like a certain national out 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.440 of politicians, Like they come up in black cars, they're 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.520 surrounded by people, they're sort of swooping out of place, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.480 and then they leave out. You don't really see your 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.280 representatives walking around with the people, And I guess it's 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.800 different in doorway. Yeah, I think that's a very valid 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.679 point because you know, one problem is, of course that 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.920 you never see your own politicians. Good afternoon, everybody, quiet weekend. 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.080 But I think it's a even bigger problem that politicians 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.080 never see you. I'm not commenting, so they kind of 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.639 absolutely separated from their own citizens. And of course, you 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.320 know this makes sense due to security and blah blah blah, 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.640 but also think it's kind of lacking willingness to meet 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.080 people because it's quite comfortable to move around and not 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.920 having to relate to the people. Today, it has become 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.520 a democratic problem in many parts of the world that 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.080 the people who are supposed to help you to sort 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.800 of two problems and support you and be your best 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:16.600 representative in the government. Then no, the true statistics and 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.919 by reading and studying and advisors, but they are absolutely 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.680 no cue who you are as you said in Norway. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.120 Fortunately it's better. It's not perfect hair either, but here 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.320 you can actually see the Prime Minister shopping milk in 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.320 the evening on the way back home from her office. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.440 It's it's quite sweet. And of course with five point 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.639 five in the people, it's much much easier. But I 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.240 think it's very important for everybody to walk the streets 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:46.080 and get to know your fellow citizens and see what 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:51.360 it looked like. It's important to keep in mind that 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.840 it was not we who invented the possibility to walk 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.320 on two legs. It was the possibility to walk onto 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:04.800 legs who invented manity. And then eventually, due to evolution, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.960 we can walk on two legs. We're able to move 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:14.560 much longer distances, able to hunt fish, move around covering 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.960 huge distances. Then, all the time that we went off 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.679 from Eastern Africa, it has always been about walking, about 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:30.200 doing something physical to survive and to prosper for over civilization. 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:34.480 Of course, the developmental languages has been very important, Farming 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.880 has been very important, and walking has been very important 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:43.880 to make us into who they are today. So many 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.240 people talk all the time about the search in the hurry. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.480 It's there has so much to do, blah blah blah 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.960 blah blah. But of course, if you're going to watch 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.080 a lot of TV and social media, it feels like 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.359 you have a lot to do, but you know you 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.280 really have time to spend fire ten minutes extra walking. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.399 In general, it's a huge misunderstanding like this that you 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:06.760 have to drive all the time to save time. Time 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.840 is extended when you move slowly, and opposite, if you 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.320 drive quickly from A to B, you don't hardly experience anything, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.359 either in a chunnel or on the surface, but still 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.320 have to watch the light. You have to be careful, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:25.000 and although it goes quicker, nothing is happening, and then 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:29.480 it feels like time moves really quickly. However, when you 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.359 move slowly from A to B and suddenly you start 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:39.040 to see people, you start to see how people addressed. 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.240 If in a city you start to see shops, what 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.320 the houses are looking like, you start to get the smells, 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:50.560 you hear all the sounds, and then because so many 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:55.560 small things are happening, time is expanding and you feel 0:22:55.600 --> 0:23:00.200 that you have experienced something, and life get richer than 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.159 kind of a ten second can feel like internity, I 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:05.879 can have the kind of also the same experience in 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.399 my own living room if we're reading a great book 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.919 or thinking of listening to music, and they had this 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.720 kind of feeling that like time is just expanding. But 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:19.240 then again, if you're kind of doing the same things 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.600 every day, harder and a variety, you hardly see anything 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.359 one day that you didn't see the day before or 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:32.479 experienced more less exacted same things, then time moves very quickly. 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.479 Um Like people said to me like, oh, you know, 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:41.000 in years ago, time so quickly. And also I'm sixty. 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.320 You can hard to tell them that, you know, I 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:49.040 feel that life is long. Time moves slowly. I don't 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:56.359 want to move in the slower You've got a great quote. 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:57.960 I think this is one of yours. You call lots 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.119 of billion people obviously to this one. Letting your body 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:05.840 travel at the same speed as your soul. Yeah, it's 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.680 a quote from me, but the idea is not original. 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.320 I think many people have felt the same and talked 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:15.800 about the same. If you move too quickly, your spirit, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.560 your soul is just lagging behind you. That's also what 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.439 I mean, like you're not experiencing so much, you're not 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.720 diggesting your what you're seeing, what you're kind of going through, 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:31.639 because you've gone too fast. Another big misunderstanding today is 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.239 like things are just going to happen quickly. You're going 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.160 to have a quick fix, You're going to go from 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:41.840 one mood to another fast. While I'll find it when 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:45.399 I'm out in a nature that I'm just becoming a 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:50.119 part of everything which is surrounding me. Every now and 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.680 then when the wind is blowing, you kind of feel 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:55.000 is a part of you. You know, if you see 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.720 a bird which somehow you know has a broken leg 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:02.000 going or whatever kind of painful for you too. We 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.560 need to respect nature, and we need to learn from nature, 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.520 and we need to listen to nature, because nature has 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.160 a lot to tell us about where we come from, 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.359 where we are, and also quite a bit about what's 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.720 going to happen next. And of course when you walk 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.240 in the cities or do an over hike in the force, 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.240 part of every something fantastic is happening, but like small 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:31.200 details are going on all the time. I have kind 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.920 of fun or found interesting sometimes to look at people 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:42.840 how they walk. Quite often by looking how they move forward, 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.119