Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're all just thinking about
Speaker 1: what we were doing in January of two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and six.
Speaker 1: That was the last time the Washington Commanders, the Washington franchise,
Speaker 1: won a playoff game, and they've done it again. I'm
Speaker 1: here in the Chris Westling podcast studio for the first
Speaker 1: time since Tuesday, when these fires changed a lot of
Speaker 1: our lives here in Los Angeles, and I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be talking football tonight with three of my friends. Patrick
Speaker 1: Claybonn in the studio with me, Nick Shook as always
Speaker 1: on remote from Cleveland, and for the first time ever. Yes,
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra coming at you in the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 3: Welcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have it beautiful place.
Speaker 1: It is a really nice studio, and I know you
Speaker 1: spent the day here just grinding on the computer and
Speaker 1: you're up here for a family wedding, and it's great
Speaker 1: to see him, my friend.
Speaker 4: It's great to be here.
Speaker 5: It's an interesting time to be out, yeah for you,
Speaker 5: but you know, life goes on.
Speaker 2: It is an interesting time.
Speaker 1: We'll put a button in that we'll see if I
Speaker 1: get stopped after I enter the evacuation zone. After curfew tonight,
Speaker 1: but it is great to talk about these games.
Speaker 2: Patrick. We were adding up.
Speaker 1: We have fifty years of NFL experience, NFL employee experience
Speaker 1: between the four of us tonight, So I think we'll
Speaker 1: be able to make sense of this insane Washington.
Speaker 6: Yes, the survivors is what we are, and we'll celebrate
Speaker 6: the teams that did and look back at some teams
Speaker 6: that had some chances but did not.
Speaker 1: Okay, no more for play Let's go to Tampa Bay where, yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Hear from Brim Weinstein at least one more time this season.
Speaker 3: You could act for a.
Speaker 7: Better script with this one here from thirty seven. In
Speaker 7: the left pass more, Tyler rots the snapper Trustway will
Speaker 7: hold Zane Gonzales lookie to send Washington into the divisional round.
Speaker 7: Step good, hold down, kicked on its way.
Speaker 2: It is good.
Speaker 8: The cardiac commanders or the clutch commander day do it again.
Speaker 2: We'll see you in Detroit.
Speaker 6: Can't say the talks to the second the playoff.
Speaker 1: I love it, London Fletcher, he announces like he plays man.
Speaker 2: What a game.
Speaker 1: Commander's Buccaneers saving frankly a two.
Speaker 2: Games slate where we just didn't have enough close games.
Speaker 2: We had a lot of good stories.
Speaker 1: We set up some great games next week, but we
Speaker 1: needed a juicy game and this was it. Jamie Daniels
Speaker 1: does what he does, which is win the game in
Speaker 1: the final seconds with a late drive that included a
Speaker 1: screen pass that for a brief second I thought was
Speaker 1: gonna be a game changing interception by Yaya Diab but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was a completion, like so many of
Speaker 1: his passes, right on the money, and the Commanders get
Speaker 1: it done.
Speaker 2: So much to talk about here, Shookie.
Speaker 1: Let's start by giving the rookie his flowers, but before
Speaker 1: diving into what went wrong for the Bucks, who had
Speaker 1: a tricky fourth quarter. This is a wagon of an offense,
Speaker 1: and for the Commanders to hold them to twenty points,
Speaker 1: a lot needed to happen, self inflicted wounds and some
Speaker 1: good plays by the Commanders defense. But ultimately, on a
Speaker 1: night where Jaden Daniels throws for two touchdowns, he throws
Speaker 1: the ball thirty five times, he runs it thirteen times.
Speaker 1: Not that effect of a couple of touchdowns doesn't make
Speaker 1: any big mistakes. He does it again, and he is
Speaker 1: the first rookie to win a road playoff game since
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson did it back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: It is difficult to do.
Speaker 9: Yeah, also in that group, Mark Sanchez, but that story
Speaker 9: is different this you know, it was about the big
Speaker 9: plays in key moments for Jane Daniels. Yeah, the rushing
Speaker 9: wasn't very effective, but when they needed a first down late,
Speaker 9: he was the guy who was able to kind of
Speaker 9: feel out the defense and then hit the edge and
Speaker 9: dive across the line to gain for a key first down.
Speaker 9: He was the guy who was able to bounce back
Speaker 9: from failing and turning it over on downs on what
Speaker 9: probably should have been pass interference in the end zone
Speaker 9: but wasn't called. They get a second opportunity down there,
Speaker 9: and they find a way to convert throws a nice
Speaker 9: pass over the middle amid the rush and everything else.
Speaker 9: That is the type of moxie and experience and composure
Speaker 9: that you get from a veteran, not from a rookie.
Speaker 9: And it fits this season. You know, they ran a
Speaker 9: little montage of all the last second wins they've had
Speaker 9: this season, and there's Dangles making a play, and there's
Speaker 9: Daniels making a play, and then he made another play
Speaker 9: tonight in the key spot to tie the game and
Speaker 9: get them down the field for that eventual game winning
Speaker 9: field goal the doint for the win, which was just
Speaker 9: perfect for this team that has done it so many times.
Speaker 9: But they wouldn't be here without him, and he rose
Speaker 9: to the occasion, right.
Speaker 1: You put it really well that he does play like
Speaker 1: a veteran, and I think all the way back, I
Speaker 1: always like to think about how the games start. The
Speaker 1: very first third down of the game, they dialed up
Speaker 1: the perfect blitz Patra and they get a hit on
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels and he just stands in there and hits
Speaker 1: a dime and a great catch by Terry McLaurin, and
Speaker 1: they had that seventeen play drive, And there is something
Speaker 1: about him. Elijah Knsy almost had him down on that
Speaker 1: final drive where they could have forced the longer field
Speaker 1: goal or maybe not even a field goal and had
Speaker 1: more time, and he just gets out of the way.
Speaker 1: So many times tonight and so many times this season
Speaker 1: it felt like the other defense had the perfect play
Speaker 1: called and he just finds a way to beat it.
Speaker 5: He he must be one of the most frustrating quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to play against because of that fact that you're right
Speaker 5: there Klaiza Kansy literally played flag football with his towel
Speaker 5: and then he kept it and kept running with the towel,
Speaker 5: which I thought was pretty funny. And then, like so
Speaker 5: many times during the game, you're like, oh, they're gonna
Speaker 5: get him on and there's gonna sack him, but he
Speaker 5: slides to his left and then finds Terry mccorn slides
Speaker 5: to his right. Diami Brown's going off this game like
Speaker 5: he can get.
Speaker 2: Out of the pocket.
Speaker 5: He's slippery and you have to be worry of his
Speaker 5: his feet even if he though he didn't have a
Speaker 5: lot of yards today, he slipped out of tackles and
Speaker 5: he kept plays alive and extending plays against the defense.
Speaker 5: With a secondary that's battered, it makes all the difference
Speaker 5: in the world.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the huge Dammi Brown game, and including that big
Speaker 6: catch on that final drive where it was Jayden's feet
Speaker 6: that had the Bucks defense so concerned, where it was
Speaker 6: a double spy, as Colin pointed it out on the call,
Speaker 6: their two guys end zone in the middle of the
Speaker 6: field watching Jayden Daniels allowing Theammy Brown to come free
Speaker 6: on this backside dig that was also kind of throwing
Speaker 6: past the defenders ear hole, by the way, on an
Speaker 6: offense that was eight to fifteen on third down, and
Speaker 6: then you have to factor in that they went for
Speaker 6: it and got it three times on fourth down throughout
Speaker 6: the game, which is how this wagon of a Tampa
Speaker 6: Bay offense only ends up with forty four offensive plays.
Speaker 3: Greg Because they they that tom.
Speaker 6: Of possession was thirty five minutes to twenty four minutes
Speaker 6: in favor of the Commanders, they couldn't get back on
Speaker 6: the field, and when they did, they have to take
Speaker 6: advantage of those opportunities. And Baker had had a boot
Speaker 6: for the ages. Yes, that really cost me.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. And I am biased. I like
Speaker 1: this buccaneer offense. I thought it was a wagon. I
Speaker 1: liked watching it. But this was the perfect way to
Speaker 1: beat them, especially with a flawed defense, which I think
Speaker 1: we can say Washington have. It's a team that despite
Speaker 1: not really having a running game for a while, Brian Robinson.
Speaker 2: Goes ten for sixteen today, run the ball just can't right.
Speaker 1: Eckeler adds a little juice because he's good in the
Speaker 1: receiving game, and he made a couple plays, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't any better. And yet because of Jayden's threat, Like
Speaker 1: you think of the play to Diami Brown which set
Speaker 1: up an earlier score where he steps up and the
Speaker 1: two defenders kind of step up to him as he's
Speaker 1: approaching the line of scrimmage and he hits them deep.
Speaker 1: You think about just the small margins for error that
Speaker 1: he had. You mentioned earlier, the fourth down played to McLaurin,
Speaker 1: which gave the Commanders the lead in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Let's listen to that fourth.
Speaker 3: And two at the five ten minutes to go fourth quarter.
Speaker 7: Daniels in the gun at quarto has left three wide
Speaker 7: receivers to the right, Cherry's to the left. Here's the
Speaker 7: step Daniels to throw for it, backpedaling into the end zone. Touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 7: pa Fine to seventeen clutch.
Speaker 3: Playing the lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that touchdown comes after the first major mistake
Speaker 1: from the Buccaneers in the fourth quarter. It was a
Speaker 1: fumble on a handoff between Baker and Jalen McMillan, and you,
Speaker 1: Kevin and Patrick, I mean and Patrick, you guys are
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like do we know like what
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 3: It was McMillan the whole way, Okay, I can't believe
Speaker 3: he tried to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't believe he tried to make that handoff
Speaker 5: happen because it just didn't look right.
Speaker 4: He put it in his hip.
Speaker 5: That's why I was I thought it was going to
Speaker 5: be a fake and a pitch to bucket going the
Speaker 5: other way. But but Bowl said after the game, as
Speaker 5: Patrick said that it was supposed to be as sweet like.
Speaker 4: It just looked off And.
Speaker 5: I don't know why Baker didn't aboord that because it
Speaker 5: wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: He ended up tying for the league lead in fumbles.
Speaker 1: Didn't like lose a ton, but he had a ton
Speaker 1: of fumbles and they couldn't do much. The first three
Speaker 1: drives of the game. They only got three points out
Speaker 1: of him, while Washington is just holding onto the ball
Speaker 1: and you're just waiting for this game to kind of
Speaker 1: wake up. And they get the ball under two minutes
Speaker 1: to go, and they get a touchdown to go into halftime.
Speaker 1: They get a touchdown the first time they have the
Speaker 1: ball the second half, and you think, okay, it's going.
Speaker 1: They barely got any possessions in this game, only seven,
Speaker 1: So their next drive was that fumble, and it's just
Speaker 1: crazy shook to think that This Buccaneer season, which was
Speaker 1: led by a top five offense, ends on a failed
Speaker 1: handoff on one drive, and then the next drive they
Speaker 1: have a third and a foot just outside the ten
Speaker 1: yard line, and that was a some sort of botch
Speaker 1: snap situation where him and the center are not on
Speaker 1: the same page. Graham Barton snaps it the rest of
Speaker 1: the offensive line and Baker seemed totally surprised. They lose
Speaker 1: a couple of yards on the play and decide to
Speaker 1: kick a field goal.
Speaker 2: What a what a.
Speaker 1: Weird and brutal way, I guess I would say for
Speaker 1: a season to end.
Speaker 9: It was the worst possible time for the basic fundamentals
Speaker 9: to break down. That fumble on the handoff to McMillan,
Speaker 9: that's a snap count thing like that's all about timing
Speaker 9: and the Jets sweep. You have to snap the ball,
Speaker 9: turn around in time to hand it to him, put
Speaker 9: him in his stomach, and he didn't put it in
Speaker 9: his stomach because the snap came too late. Then the
Speaker 9: snap comes too early on that play and half of
Speaker 9: Washington defense is in the backfield and they failed to
Speaker 9: convert in a huge spot, have to settle for three,
Speaker 9: which then gives Washington the opportunity to go down and
Speaker 9: kick the field goal. It was it was so uncharacteristic
Speaker 9: of this team. But also this game was uncharacteristic of
Speaker 9: the Buccaneers for the same reason that you guys just mentioned,
Speaker 9: which is the time of possession difference. You know, they
Speaker 9: went tempo for a lot of that touchdown drive in
Speaker 9: the third quarter, and they had Washington on skates. They
Speaker 9: had no way to react, no idea what to do,
Speaker 9: and they went right down the field and scored. And
Speaker 9: I thought, they don't really do that that often, yet
Speaker 9: they feel the need to do it now to gain
Speaker 9: an advantage. It's like they were always grasping for small advantages,
Speaker 9: as if they knew we were only going to have
Speaker 9: so many opportunities. And then in the fourth quarter win
Speaker 9: those opportunities arrive, they botched them. And then you see
Speaker 9: their expression on the sideline when they realized their season
Speaker 9: is officially over, and they're just stunned because they realized,
Speaker 9: we just let it slip through our hands.
Speaker 10: This is so unlike us.
Speaker 9: I can't believe it's over already when it was right
Speaker 9: there for the take.
Speaker 1: Right And I can almost hear what commanders fans are
Speaker 1: thinking right now. If London Fletcher is out there, he's
Speaker 1: a big NFL Daily guy, and he's like, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: but we had to go win the game. It's true,
Speaker 1: there was a sense of inevitability. And yet when you
Speaker 1: look at it, that field goal that they kicked a
Speaker 1: tie was with four pin forty left of the game,
Speaker 1: with three timeouts. That takes an awesome professional quarterback and
Speaker 1: offense to be able to end the game with the ball,
Speaker 1: and it takes a lot of confidence that the Bucks
Speaker 1: defense was not gonna come through. And it wasn't a
Speaker 1: great Bucks defense this year, and I think today they
Speaker 1: were hurt by a couple injuries. Jamel Dean go out
Speaker 1: in this game, Zion mccollin was in and out at
Speaker 1: various points, and their replacements, what was that guy Gino
Speaker 1: Josh Hayes. Ye, Josh Hayes was weirdly in the crosshairs
Speaker 1: of a couple of big games this year when he
Speaker 1: came in as an injury replacement. Unfortunately, that was a
Speaker 1: big factor to it, But that was part of it
Speaker 1: that I just felt like the team's offenses had the
Speaker 1: big advantages tonight, which is why I ask you Patrick
Speaker 1: claibn my fourth down, Maven, should they have gone for
Speaker 1: fourth and three down twenty to seventeen under five minutes
Speaker 1: to go in the red zone after that messed up
Speaker 1: third in a foot.
Speaker 6: Absolutely with the benefit of hindsight. According according to Nexten stats, Yes,
Speaker 6: Todd Bowles was perfect on fourth down on his decisions.
Speaker 3: Okay today, that one the fourth and seventh.
Speaker 6: In the with in the first it was a field
Speaker 6: goal by zero point zero four percent. That was very close.
Speaker 6: It was a full two point five percent to kick
Speaker 6: that last field.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you you're down three, obviously you you your chance
Speaker 1: of losing the game if you don't pick that up
Speaker 1: is high. The one the one thing you would say
Speaker 1: is those numbers aren't about the matchup that you're in.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like if you go to the
Speaker 1: rule of like what you don't the other team doesn't
Speaker 1: want you to do. The Buccaneers offense ultimately had a
Speaker 1: huge edge on Washington's defense, and I think vice versa
Speaker 1: was true.
Speaker 2: Like Dan Campbell's going for that saying.
Speaker 6: Other than snapping the ball in the fourth quarter, the
Speaker 6: Bucks had a huge advantage on all of.
Speaker 1: Them, right, right, But you gotta take your chance you
Speaker 1: got to go with the.
Speaker 6: The They just had third in the foot right, and
Speaker 6: it was Todd for that.
Speaker 5: Though that's not who he is. That's not who he is. Though,
Speaker 5: that's not who Todd Bowles is.
Speaker 1: It's a great point you saying that dan Quinn would
Speaker 1: have gone for it, because dan Quinn went for fourth
Speaker 1: down for the touchdown twice in the fourth quarter of
Speaker 1: this game. The first time it doesn't work. It's funny
Speaker 1: how you end up remembering these games because Jane Daniels
Speaker 1: did play really well, Shookie, but that that sequence right
Speaker 1: near the goal line before Baker Mayfield fumbled the ball
Speaker 1: was his worst sequence of the game. He chooses not
Speaker 1: to throw, he just gets a little hesitant on a
Speaker 1: wide open touchdown on first down, he throws what should
Speaker 1: have been an interception potentially on third down.
Speaker 2: Was that Levante who had Jones is playing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, big moment a snap in the regular season on defense.
Speaker 1: Literally dan Quinn's guy for the Commanders. That wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been a revenge game. It just would have been Hey, Dan,
Speaker 1: remember me back in the NFC, Remember when uh that
Speaker 1: that podcaster Greg Rosenthal wrote five hundred words about me?
Speaker 1: And who was the other line background a team at
Speaker 1: halftime of Falcons Patriots, and I've told that story.
Speaker 10: About seventeen Rodrick Campbell.
Speaker 1: Deveandre Campbell, and then then they never used that word.
Speaker 1: It's just like we would have remembered. We would have
Speaker 1: remembered it much. Definitely he threw an incompletion on fourth down,
Speaker 1: but ultimately it didn't happen. There will be Bulls discussion
Speaker 1: after this one shook. What do you think I've been
Speaker 1: floating the idea that it's possible, depending on how the
Speaker 1: end of the season went, like if they didn't make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, for instance, that they would get rid of
Speaker 1: balls to prevent Liam Cohen from leaving. If you were
Speaker 1: going to create a scenario where after making the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that could possibly happen.
Speaker 2: This is pretty close to it, like a.
Speaker 1: Frustrating close loss where people aren't happy with the game management,
Speaker 1: even though I don't think the game management in the
Speaker 1: timeout usage was was that close to like his worst
Speaker 1: game in that in that realm, Like it's not a
Speaker 1: strength of his but tonight I think you're picking knits
Speaker 1: a little too much.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's kind of hard because playoffs, it's sometimes
Speaker 9: it can just be a weird thing like Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 9: had a couple of terrible play calling sequences in the
Speaker 9: red zone when they got down there in the second half,
Speaker 9: and yet they come away victorious. So we all forget that.
Speaker 9: We remember this because Todd Bowles defense didn't stand up
Speaker 9: and get a stop late in the game. But if
Speaker 9: we think about the season in total, think about what
Speaker 9: these Buccaneers have been through. They lost their two top
Speaker 9: receivers for a significant portion of the season, and yet
Speaker 9: they still managed to finish strong, win the NFC South,
Speaker 9: make the playoffs, have a home game, and be in
Speaker 9: a position to win.
Speaker 10: Ultimately, they fell short.
Speaker 9: Everybody wants to kill Todd Bowles for his clock management
Speaker 9: issues before the end of the first half, it ends
Speaker 9: up working out perfectly for them because of the playmaking
Speaker 9: of the Buccaneers and so like he's been in the
Speaker 9: crosshairs for a while. My question is, like, where do
Speaker 9: you want to go as a franchise because you've been
Speaker 9: this team that since Tom Brady was on your team,
Speaker 9: and you had that title window that was there and closing,
Speaker 9: and you went and got one and you felt like
Speaker 9: you maybe could have tried to get another one.
Speaker 10: He never did.
Speaker 9: You've kind of just been trying to find a way
Speaker 9: to keep it afloat right and stay competitive. You lucked
Speaker 9: out when you got Baker Mayfield, and he thrived with
Speaker 9: Dave Canalis and now with Liam Cohen. If it comes
Speaker 9: down to whether you keep Liam Cohen versus Todd Bowles,
Speaker 9: you keep Liam Cohen, and you can point to all
Speaker 9: these issues in the past with Todd Bowles, But I
Speaker 9: just don't know if you get that much better without
Speaker 9: Todd Bowles. Who else is out there that's going to
Speaker 9: elevate you to the point that you think you're supposed
Speaker 9: to be when in reality maybe it's a combination of
Speaker 9: coaching and personal And they still won the division, they
Speaker 9: still were really close to winning a playoff game. It's
Speaker 9: kind of a high standard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, considering we just outlined the difference in this game, right,
Speaker 6: the ball goes past Yaya Dabi's thumb by a fraction
Speaker 6: of an inch, the kick two inches one way, it's
Speaker 6: bouncing back. Maybe they're still playing the game while we're
Speaker 6: having a discussion. Who knows Kelijah Canty grabs a flag
Speaker 6: Baker's fumble. If you're hiring and firing decisions come down
Speaker 6: to those moments, then you don't have a process at all.
Speaker 6: Everything is just vibes. And I don't think that's a
Speaker 6: good way to operate a football franchise. And I'm sure
Speaker 6: people are frustrated by the outcomes, Okay, Like I just
Speaker 6: I don't see a reason to. But it's fire everybody
Speaker 6: you know saw McDermott almost got fired according to folks
Speaker 6: earlier this year, Like who cares.
Speaker 1: Best case is that you return the coaching staff next year.
Speaker 1: But Patrick, if if you're in a situation where you
Speaker 1: have intel, the Jaguars are gonna make Liam Cohen you're
Speaker 1: you're their head coach. I think it's a serious consideration
Speaker 1: because I think they had a special season offensively, and
Speaker 1: he was an excellent play caller, and that combination of
Speaker 1: play caller and quarterback, to me is the most valuable
Speaker 1: thing that you can have.
Speaker 2: And so it's a discussion, I believe.
Speaker 4: But they already did that with Dirk Cutter. It didn't
Speaker 4: work out for him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, And how often are good play callers good
Speaker 9: head coaches. It's like fifty like North Turner, you want
Speaker 9: to have North Turner as your head coach?
Speaker 10: I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: It was a you know, maybe maybe folks were saying
Speaker 6: last year it's like, all we gotta we gotta keep
Speaker 6: Canalis in there, Let's get get rid of Todd Bowles.
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily make sense to me.
Speaker 6: There's there's a lot of talented people who can orchestrate
Speaker 6: an off if they have the pieces. Jayla McMillan is
Speaker 6: going to be better next year. Mike Evans is still producing.
Speaker 6: Baker's maybe not going to lead the league in turnovers
Speaker 6: next year. That's a that's a slight on the offense
Speaker 6: at least fumbles.
Speaker 1: Offensive line is awesome, katea and is sneaky good. Bucky
Speaker 1: Irving ran really well. They need to fix the d tonight,
Speaker 1: although when they didn't pick up that third and a foot,
Speaker 1: was that after the run that Bucky Irving stopped his feet.
Speaker 1: We're watching in the in the film room with MJD.
Speaker 1: And and he was absolutely right. I love watching the
Speaker 1: games with MJD because he has such a good feel
Speaker 1: of what the running backs do in a in a
Speaker 1: giving situation. And yeah, on that first down, it's that
Speaker 1: it's that counterplay that Chris Collinsworth was talking about, where
Speaker 1: the blockers and it's just beautiful, and Bucky's been Bucky
Speaker 1: Irving has been amazing, running all night and he gets
Speaker 1: to the edge and to your point about small margins,
Speaker 1: and Latimore comes up to kind of force him to
Speaker 1: the inside, and Irving does what, to someone like MGD
Speaker 1: is a cardinal sin of a running back. I mean,
Speaker 1: you are running forward with all the momentum in the world.
Speaker 1: This is a situation where momentum does exist, and there's
Speaker 1: two defenders coming up and he just chops his feet
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and he just completely stops.
Speaker 2: And it was that set up the third and a foot.
Speaker 1: And I'm not getting on Bucky Irving or saying that
Speaker 1: he is at fault for that, but it is those
Speaker 1: like little small margins in a playoff game where when
Speaker 1: they're watching the tape tomorrow, they're all gonna think the
Speaker 1: same thing that maybe nineteen times out of ten, if
Speaker 1: you put Bucky Irving there in that situation with that
Speaker 1: much room and a full head of steam, he picks
Speaker 1: up a yard and then it's a totally different game
Speaker 1: and we're having different conversations. It's just crazy, these playoff games.
Speaker 1: That's why you love him though, because everything is so magnified.
Speaker 6: The play before the center was the only person on
Speaker 6: his own individual snapcount. There was the Baker Mayfield like
Speaker 6: fake run to Bucky Irving.
Speaker 1: Right before, so Bucky Irving was first down and then
Speaker 1: Baker was second.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, if you're gonna fire Todd Bowles for that,
Speaker 6: go for it. I think that would be a bad move.
Speaker 1: Our friend Ali Connelly, who I believe is going to
Speaker 1: join me on on a show this week, We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the hirings and the firings
Speaker 1: around the league. He really thought it sounded like they
Speaker 1: had a sneak called that that Baker bailed out of
Speaker 1: because of what he saw. He changed, you know, the
Speaker 1: signal on that, and he changed his cadence up a little,
Speaker 1: and everyone was on the same page of what Baker.
Speaker 1: And this is just watching the tape, You're not for sure,
Speaker 1: but he believes everyone was on the same page of
Speaker 1: how he changed did up except for Barton clearly. And
Speaker 1: that's how it ends. But man, this Commander's ride just
Speaker 1: keeps going. They are the story of the season, absolutely fun,
Speaker 1: and they will be heading to Detroit next weekend. That
Speaker 1: is one matchup in the NFC let's go to Philadelphia
Speaker 1: to determine what the other one was gonna be.
Speaker 11: Tack it down to the yard, Hurts takes the football
Speaker 11: he is gonna throw. He does in the flat, the
Speaker 11: nice catch by Goddard, the breaks the tackler cus the
Speaker 11: five touchdown Godard.
Speaker 3: Piece he piece him.
Speaker 8: He catches his simple Claire up Patton up into the
Speaker 8: flat mel and the quarterback is there and he just
Speaker 8: piece molds him, pushes him in the face, not once
Speaker 8: once and into the in zone.
Speaker 3: That's Dallas Goddard.
Speaker 1: That is Dallas Gotter, and then that is Meryl Reeves
Speaker 1: Mike quick on WIP when that play was happening and
Speaker 1: he stiff armed him for about twenty straight yards and
Speaker 1: got that third stiff arm in. I leaped up because
Speaker 1: I was like, we finally got a highlight a game
Speaker 1: that's just like not much was happening, and I felt
Speaker 1: like I knew who was gonna win, and probably by
Speaker 1: a couple scores, and that is what happened. Just it
Speaker 1: wasn't happening, and Dallas Goddard showed up for us when
Speaker 1: we needed it.
Speaker 2: Twenty two to ten.
Speaker 1: Eagles win a game in a way that I feel
Speaker 1: like they've won a lot of games where at the
Speaker 1: end of it people say, ah, that wasn't really like
Speaker 1: a great performance by the Eagles. That was the B
Speaker 1: minus Eagles and they still won easy. But is it
Speaker 1: really the B minus Eagles when that's what they do.
Speaker 1: They don't make mistakes on offense, and they're just an
Speaker 1: awesome defense that just squeezes the life out of you.
Speaker 1: It happened to Jordan Love today and ultimately this defense
Speaker 1: is the biggest reason why they are gonna be tough
Speaker 1: to beat in the NFC.
Speaker 5: They don't give up anything easy. There was nothing easy
Speaker 5: for Jordan Love all day. Those quick outs, the quick slants,
Speaker 5: nothing came easy. There's always guys in his face I
Speaker 5: haven't seen and we can get into the injuries on
Speaker 5: the offensive line, but like Zach Tom was getting worked over. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we've never seen him get worked over in a very
Speaker 5: long time. But the Eagles defense just won this game.
Speaker 5: And this is how they played. This is how they
Speaker 5: played all year. They played to their opponent and they're
Speaker 5: a defensive team. I don't know why we expect them
Speaker 5: to be some offensive juggernaut when they haven't shown that
Speaker 5: all year. They're big runs by Saquon Barkley and their defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the potential for a big run by Saquon
Speaker 1: Barkley at the very end of the game, he decides
Speaker 1: to just slide down I think after only what seventeen
Speaker 1: yards or so.
Speaker 2: Hell, let's listen to that call.
Speaker 1: I'm curious how they handled what should have been a
Speaker 1: game ending celebrat Tory touchdown by Saquon hit a pistol.
Speaker 11: Again, it goes to Barkley and again he's at the
Speaker 11: FORTI and he falls down.
Speaker 3: He could have techned that home.
Speaker 10: He was out in front of the world.
Speaker 3: He could have techned that to this look.
Speaker 11: But he said, I will do the genuinely thing. I
Speaker 11: will fall down and run.
Speaker 3: Off the clock.
Speaker 8: You know, he picked up seventeen yards, but he's beyond
Speaker 8: the entire defense.
Speaker 3: Do is just keep right because you can't catch this guy.
Speaker 11: But he said, I'll fly down and saved suth for
Speaker 11: next week.
Speaker 1: Oh that was great, especially on the TV copy where
Speaker 1: they just show a beaming Howie Roseman on the sideline
Speaker 1: and yes, a Saquon said on the after the game,
Speaker 1: his teammates said, you could have gone further though, you
Speaker 1: could have just ran for a while and then slot
Speaker 1: like slid down. But now he's saving his mile age
Speaker 1: and he did look fresh in this game. His very
Speaker 1: first carry was bad ass, but the Packers defense was
Speaker 1: up for It was hard earned yards all day for
Speaker 1: Saque and that's why it took so long for the
Speaker 1: game to really be over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they crowded the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: I thought coverage was good in toil because we saw
Speaker 6: that Dallas Goddard touchdown which got things going. Jalen hurts
Speaker 6: that twenty eight yards passing or before that drive, then
Speaker 6: he hits DeVante Smith for twenty eight yards. It hits
Speaker 6: Davante again for nine yards, and then Dallas Goddard Stiff's
Speaker 6: Valentine all the way into the end zone for that score,
Speaker 6: where they started to get some production there from the
Speaker 6: passing game. But you worried about the Eagles there for
Speaker 6: a while because he went I believe a couple of
Speaker 6: possessions without a completion, and they really couldn't do anything
Speaker 6: on offense. The defense carried this team for significant portions
Speaker 6: of the first.
Speaker 4: Almost two full quarters without a completion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at one point, at one point he had had
Speaker 1: his last completion, like with five minutes left in the
Speaker 1: first quarter and we were mid to late third quarter.
Speaker 1: I think it was seven straight incompletions and maybe even
Speaker 1: jumped up after that when when I rode.
Speaker 5: Dropbacks, I think seven incompletions and he got sacked twice
Speaker 5: and he scrambled for a negative yard.
Speaker 1: And yet they were never really in trouble in this
Speaker 1: game because of the defense and because Jordan Love threw
Speaker 1: three interceptions. And look, Schook, we're gonna have some annoying
Speaker 1: discourses about quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I guess that's just what happens in the offseason.
Speaker 1: And Justin Herbert is on the AFC side, and I
Speaker 1: think Jordan Love is going to be on the NFC side.
Speaker 1: And it was an uneven game and an uneven season
Speaker 1: for Love, and.
Speaker 2: This kind of typified it.
Speaker 1: And you give him some asterix though, because Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 1: goes out with a concussion at one point, Jayden Reid
Speaker 1: then goes out in the second half, that there was
Speaker 1: a lot going on in this game injury wise for
Speaker 1: Green Bay and they just were not ready to stand
Speaker 1: up to it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, concussion suffered on a ball to the end zone too.
Speaker 9: Like considering situation, you know, just another loss in a
Speaker 9: terrible spot. He also didn't have Christian Watson in this
Speaker 9: game to begin with because of his knee injury, So yeah, they're.
Speaker 10: Not operating with a full cover.
Speaker 9: But you want to talk about typifying his season, I mean,
Speaker 9: this is a guy who suffered an injury to his
Speaker 9: knee in Week one and missed a couple of games.
Speaker 9: It just felt like he never was afforded really an
Speaker 9: opportunity to get on track. He had some great moments
Speaker 9: this season. That Saints game, that blow out win in
Speaker 9: primetime was one of them. But when we went into
Speaker 9: this season coming off of that, you know, incredible back
Speaker 9: half that he had last year at going into the
Speaker 9: playoffs and what they did in the playoffs, you expected
Speaker 9: more and maybe we shouldn't have expected as much once
Speaker 9: we saw him getting hurt in Week one and it
Speaker 9: ends in anker. Now he's not the only Packers quarterback
Speaker 9: that ends up being a legend in Green Bay that's
Speaker 9: had a clunker of a playoff game. Farm did it,
Speaker 9: Rogers did it. Like it's nobody's perfect. It's just that
Speaker 9: for this team, it was all too fitting for how
Speaker 9: they've looked in the last couple of weeks. And against
Speaker 9: the defense like this, you can't afford to make these mistakes,
Speaker 9: even if the score is still close, because Philly's offense
Speaker 9: can't get it going. You just can't afford to make
Speaker 9: these mistakes. So that's what they're gonna come away with
Speaker 9: a sour taste in their mouth and some questions about him.
Speaker 9: But I think if any franchise is going to stay
Speaker 9: the course, it's the Packers with Jordan Love. It's just
Speaker 9: one of those experiences that he's gonna have to learn from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I think the panic button should not be
Speaker 1: being pressed in Green Bay. It's one advantage of us
Speaker 1: where we're just not fit. Like you're laughing, and I
Speaker 1: even purposely sent a tweet out about it afterwards. It's like,
Speaker 1: this team is really young, they're in a great situation.
Speaker 1: They won two more games than they did a year ago.
Speaker 1: Their point differential actually went up by eighty ninety points
Speaker 1: a year ago. But I just knew, and then I
Speaker 1: started seeing it like Packers fans who want Lafleur fired.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, and like I mean that that's.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, but like, but just like making this out to
Speaker 1: be some huge disappointment, and Love is a total bust.
Speaker 1: It's like Love had an eight week stretch here where
Speaker 1: he was averaging nine adjusted yards per attempt. Multiple things
Speaker 1: can be true, though, and he wasn't fighting with a
Speaker 1: full deck. He also did not play well today. The
Speaker 1: first interception was just an overthrow. One throw really sticks
Speaker 1: out to me. A fourth down to Malik Heath where
Speaker 1: he just he just missed the throw, and that is
Speaker 1: something that happens with Jordan Love. He just kind of
Speaker 1: misses throws in a way you don't totally want.
Speaker 6: But you also see the other side of that where
Speaker 6: there was the throw down the sideline to Malik Heath. Yes,
Speaker 6: with pressure in his face, he goes up and gets
Speaker 6: that ball away from I believe it was Red Blankenship,
Speaker 6: a great back shoulder throat. They had spots where you've
Speaker 6: seen that those outs to Romeo Dobbs on the goal
Speaker 6: line where when that's Malik Heath right, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a tough.
Speaker 6: Completion for the Packers and and Elton Jenkins going down.
Speaker 6: That was a big part of this game. Keishawn Nixon
Speaker 6: absolutely recovered that fumble. I yes, no idea how that
Speaker 6: was not a clear recovery, but he's laying on the
Speaker 6: ground being touched by a defender holding a football with
Speaker 6: two hands.
Speaker 4: There's I was confused of how they never gave that
Speaker 4: a bear.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so their explanation the panic button situation for Green
Speaker 6: Bay was preposterous.
Speaker 3: A very good Eagles team on the road. What are
Speaker 3: we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about the fumble on the very opening kickoff.
Speaker 1: The Eagles recover it, massive hit. Good job by Oron Burks,
Speaker 1: Who's going to have a big role down the stretch
Speaker 1: here for the Eagles. Unfortunately, Nakobe Dean left with what
Speaker 1: looked like a serious knee injury, was carted off, and
Speaker 1: Oron Burks ended up mostly stepping in for him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: three plays later, after a Saquon run, a couple of runs,
Speaker 1: a nice one, Jalen Hurts drops back to pass and
Speaker 1: you know he still might be in that pocket. I
Speaker 1: don't think we have that highlight, but it was just
Speaker 1: amazing to me how long he was just sitting back there.
Speaker 1: It was a reminder, like, man, this offensive line, not
Speaker 1: that they were perfect tonight, but they should have a
Speaker 1: better passing game considering he gets such great pass protection
Speaker 1: in the receivers at the half.
Speaker 4: It's it's he.
Speaker 5: He looks like he's overthinking and like he started out hot,
Speaker 5: he started out six for six and then he can't
Speaker 5: hit the broadside of the barn. And I have an
Speaker 5: issue with whether it's Kellen Moore, whether it's Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 5: They don't give him enough easy throws or maybe he
Speaker 5: just doesn't take them. Because here when they started getting
Speaker 5: the quick to DeVante Smith and that got got heard.
Speaker 3: Where was that?
Speaker 5: For a quarter and a half they got it going
Speaker 5: and then they scored a touchdown in four plays. Boom
Speaker 5: boom boom boom boom. Quick outs, quick quick slants. They
Speaker 5: just don't I don't feel like they give him enough
Speaker 5: easy reads or he's not taking them right off the bat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he holds it, usually good things that happen.
Speaker 1: He's such an interesting player because he's so good at
Speaker 1: what he does well. Even as a runner, it's very similar.
Speaker 1: It's like he is almost as good as any running
Speaker 1: back in the league. And I'm even rowing Lamar in
Speaker 1: this at just downhill runs, like in terms of downhill
Speaker 1: power as a quarterback and he just has to kind
Speaker 1: of move to the side or you know, run over
Speaker 1: a guy. And when he's decisive, he's as good as anyone.
Speaker 1: And yet when he starts going horizontal, the play's over. Yes,
Speaker 1: like it's he it never works out. Well, he's such
Speaker 1: a fascinating player. Are you concerned at all? I guess
Speaker 1: shook that on a day where they end up going
Speaker 1: plus four in the turnover margin, And yes, that that
Speaker 1: one touchdown that they had, which which stood for a while,
Speaker 1: was off, you know, a very short drive.
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that?
Speaker 1: You know, they only get twenty two points up, They
Speaker 1: didn't get three hundred yards. They only hit two third
Speaker 1: downs in this game, sixteen first downs overall, like it was.
Speaker 2: It was not a great offensive performance overall.
Speaker 10: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 9: It's funny because when they get that turnover and then
Speaker 9: they score in like three plays, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 9: here they go.
Speaker 10: They're off to the races.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 10: I know they had a short field, but they may
Speaker 10: look relatively easy.
Speaker 9: I think he held the ball for six points seventy
Speaker 9: five seconds before that touchdown pass did Johan Dotson, and
Speaker 9: then they just disappeared like we just described. I would
Speaker 9: be more concerned against a lesser team, but Green Bays
Speaker 9: defense has been sneaky effective, and they found their way through.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's perfect that they scored their
Speaker 9: their longest touchdown pass of a low scoring game was
Speaker 9: on a swing pass to a tight end who then
Speaker 9: just runs over a guy for a touchdown. Like that
Speaker 9: would just that fit the day for them. They're gonna
Speaker 9: run into more challenges, but I think this often still
Speaker 9: starts a Saquon and if that is rolling early, then
Speaker 9: it opens everything else up. I also think you saw
Speaker 9: a little bit of the russ. Jalen hadn't played in
Speaker 9: a few weeks. Saquon didn't play in week eighteen. I
Speaker 9: think that had something to do with it as well.
Speaker 9: So maybe they have some things to correct on the
Speaker 9: tape before they go into next week. I'm not panicking again.
Speaker 9: Don't leave the case on the panic button here. The
Speaker 9: Eagles one, they're moving on.
Speaker 1: It's fine how they win. But yes, yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of how they win. I mean, but they were so
Speaker 1: quiet on offense.
Speaker 3: A J.
Speaker 1: Brown olands up with one catch for ten yards and
Speaker 1: mostly makes news for just reading a book on the side.
Speaker 1: I mean, shout out to book Sky. You know I'm
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky. I'm checking out the book content there.
Speaker 1: I sent out some books to Graham content of my
Speaker 1: top ten favorite reads. So I just love you know.
Speaker 1: AJ Brown on the sideline reading this book.
Speaker 2: So AJ Brown, well, we're figuring that out.
Speaker 5: He he's a little frustrated, obviously he hadn't seen too
Speaker 5: many balls that he's going to read a little passage here.
Speaker 12: I haven't seen too many people read books, but I've
Speaker 12: seen a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Eat a hot dog Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 3: Certainly not in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That's that's cool, calm and collective.
Speaker 1: I was like worried for Tom's kids, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I haven't seen too many people read a book,
Speaker 1: but it was on brand. A. J. Brown did tweet
Speaker 1: about it after the game, and he gave a shout
Speaker 1: out to the book Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy, and
Speaker 1: he said the game's ninety percent mental, ten percent physical,
Speaker 1: brings it to every game.
Speaker 6: I read some excerpts, okay, and I will say there's
Speaker 6: some in that audio that we heard. Marshall Mather's lyrics
Speaker 6: for Lose Yourself are a little more impactful than the
Speaker 6: words that I read.
Speaker 3: Wow, which is why I will be dropping for you.
Speaker 6: I will be dropping my book subterranean winning coming out.
Speaker 6: If any NFL players would like to hear my thoughts
Speaker 6: on success in the highest levels of competition.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean one thing I noticed when he's flipping
Speaker 1: an open and you can see it on the tweet too,
Speaker 1: that was dog eared, it's underlined, It's highlighted.
Speaker 4: Highlighted and underlined the same passages. Interesting move.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love it.
Speaker 1: I want to normalize just breaking out a book in
Speaker 1: any situation. The funniest thing about it was I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe people were like this is crazy. Not in it,
Speaker 1: it's it's different behavior, but the idea that people are
Speaker 1: saying this was somehow divash behavior or that it was
Speaker 1: like distracted. I was like, this man is trying to
Speaker 1: center himself so that he can do his best for
Speaker 1: the team. So it works for AJ. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's what is helping to create this season, he.
Speaker 5: Said, he brings it every week though. I have a
Speaker 5: hard time believing nobody had ever seen it before. Though,
Speaker 5: because even the beat where they were like, we've never
Speaker 5: seen this, How was it never caught before?
Speaker 6: They asked herts about it in the post game, he said, yeah,
Speaker 6: I've seen him. I've seen him open it. I haven't
Speaker 6: seen him reading it.
Speaker 9: Oh, it's like Lebron He's always reading the first page
Speaker 9: of a book in the locker.
Speaker 6: Perhaps, and I'm team book. I just you know, Greg's
Speaker 6: got some great lists of books. We can get some
Speaker 6: folks some books. The self help genre is a little overdone. Yeah,
Speaker 6: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I hate to criticize something I haven't really tried, so
Speaker 1: it does okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would help me to each there.
Speaker 3: We know one thing.
Speaker 5: A J.
Speaker 9: Brown's poems were not sweaty, his knees were not weak,
Speaker 9: and his arms were not heavy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Look, Philadelphia love this team, and I and I do
Speaker 1: want to just before we go, sort of member of
Speaker 1: all the football we watched this weekend, and there's been
Speaker 1: some ugly football. It kind of reminds me a Week
Speaker 1: one and two when everyone's like, oh his offense gone again?
Speaker 1: Is defense taking over? And then that went away offense
Speaker 1: was great? Then you know, for most of the season,
Speaker 1: defense is back. And I really did think watching these games,
Speaker 1: specifically the Texans and then specifically the Eagles today, like
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith that sack on Tom for instance, the way
Speaker 1: Dean and Bond were bouncing off of each other. Zach
Speaker 1: Bond's interception just everything Zach Bond does, just if you
Speaker 1: just watch him all game, it's really fun.
Speaker 2: The interception by Slay was that's beautful. That's a great play.
Speaker 3: That's what I've seen all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And Quinjon Mitchell, I think he was thrown
Speaker 2: at six times.
Speaker 1: He gave up ten yards. He had that long PI
Speaker 1: that was me embellishment in my voice. Which was one
Speaker 1: of Jordan Love's worst throws. It landed about twenty yards
Speaker 1: out of bounds, Like that was uncatchable to me. And
Speaker 1: Jalen Harder was an absolute beast. They were physical as hell, Shookie, Like,
Speaker 1: this is one of the better defenses that we've seen.
Speaker 1: I always say it's so hard for a defense to
Speaker 1: be really difference making in the NFL. They are the
Speaker 1: best defense in the NFL. I feel like that's safe
Speaker 1: to say, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And it actually is what's given me great confidence
Speaker 9: in their chances to make the Super Bowl in these playoffs.
Speaker 9: Like I know we're talking Lions, I know we're talking
Speaker 9: vikings On, talking Eagles. Because of that defense, playing simple,
Speaker 9: they can have a game like this against anybody that
Speaker 9: they play and I think they're gonna be a challenge
Speaker 9: for whoever they run into as long as they're still
Speaker 9: you know, eligible to play and haven't been eliminated.
Speaker 2: Right, And we don't know who they're gonna play.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be against the Monday Night football winner, and
Speaker 1: they will be playing on Sunday, So it'll be a
Speaker 1: shorter week for whoever wins on Monday Night, but you know,
Speaker 1: not the shortest week possible if they had to try
Speaker 1: to turn it around on Saturday. But they they get
Speaker 1: another home game. Shout out to Josh Jacobs for a
Speaker 1: great performance all season long. That near touchdown he had
Speaker 1: was awesome and then he cashes it in right after that.
Speaker 1: He just had a great season, but a frustrating end
Speaker 1: for the Packers. I have not seen this video, so
Speaker 1: I am hoping it delivers. It is Matt Lafleur knocking
Speaker 1: over a Gatorade bottle on the podium after the game.
Speaker 2: Like I said, they played mostly some coverage the entire game, so.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just.
Speaker 6: Right now, nice, that's about that's about par for the
Speaker 6: night right there.
Speaker 3: So he did knocket over it just it just fell
Speaker 3: over on its own.
Speaker 12: Appears too so I didn't have like a time code
Speaker 12: for that happening. So I watched the whole conference, and
Speaker 12: I'm watching that bottle the whole time, just shake, shake, shake,
Speaker 12: I'm waiting for it to happen. And that's the back
Speaker 12: end of like a forty five second answer where he's
Speaker 12: like in deep, like what went, and it's just he
Speaker 12: and and right after you can hear the pr pers
Speaker 12: like two more, let's get out of here.
Speaker 3: I made of tom stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was a coffee mug.
Speaker 1: I watched part of that press conference to Eric, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't find like a an easy clip or that
Speaker 1: would be perfect because it was just him speaking. And
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to coaches, just him speaking
Speaker 1: off the dome for like five minutes, opening statement, uninterrupted
Speaker 1: and just feeling it, just feeling the loss, so upset, frustrated,
Speaker 1: everything possible, the end of a tough season, but a
Speaker 1: good season overall for the Packers ends around though before
Speaker 1: last season, let's take a quick break. We have one
Speaker 1: AFC game to talk about on Sunday. We hit the
Speaker 1: two on Saturday. Yeah, if you're if you're wondering, how
Speaker 1: come uh, how come you guys aren't talking those Saturday games.
Speaker 2: We already did a podcast on that.
Speaker 1: Go check out the podcast with me and Bill Barnwell
Speaker 1: that we taped Saturday night. After the break, we will
Speaker 1: head to Buffalo.
Speaker 13: Pre receivers to the right, one to the left, and
Speaker 13: now Ty Johnson retreats to the backfield.
Speaker 3: Here's the snap. He's gonna go.
Speaker 2: Back to pass Alan rolling out to his right.
Speaker 3: Looking for somebody open.
Speaker 13: Nobody is has to throw it to the end zone
Speaker 13: for Ty Johnson, who makes a sliding catching the end.
Speaker 2: Zone for a touchdown. Well, who would have expected that?
Speaker 3: Talk about stretching the playout to.
Speaker 2: The last possible second.
Speaker 13: A twenty four yard touchdown strike from Allen to Ty
Speaker 13: Johnson and with that touchdown pass, Josh Allen passes Hall
Speaker 13: of Famer Jim Kelly for the most touchdowns in team
Speaker 13: history in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Wow, good nugget there by Chris Brown on w g R.
Speaker 1: Bills would roll after that another touchdown pass to go
Speaker 1: break that record some more. Curtis samuel I had a
Speaker 1: fifty five yard touchdown early in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: It was off to the races.
Speaker 1: Bills win thirty one to seven in a game that
Speaker 1: the Broncos led seven to nothing, that the only trail
Speaker 1: that halftime ten to seven. I thought this thing might
Speaker 1: go down to the wire and it didn't. Why didn't it, Patrick, Well, we.
Speaker 3: Just saw that that was the highest leverage play of
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 6: It's fourth and one at that point, and we talked
Speaker 6: about Jalen Hurts having six point seven five seconds, same
Speaker 6: number for Josh Allen on that play, except the difference
Speaker 6: is the ball travels forty three yards in the air
Speaker 6: Josh Allen off his back fractions of an inch, fractions
Speaker 6: of a second from Todd Johnson's leg being out of bounds,
Speaker 6: where if I like, the game plan for Vance Joseph
Speaker 6: was to make Buffalo drive, make them earn it, not
Speaker 6: give up the big plays, and get something from the offense,
Speaker 6: and they got that early, but it was just too
Speaker 6: much to overcome. They didn't hit their high leverage plays.
Speaker 6: They had will Let's miss a field goal right at
Speaker 6: the end of the first half. And it's just one
Speaker 6: of those things where it was discussed on the call
Speaker 6: of the game. You're an underdog on the road and
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to have everything go right, and eventually
Speaker 6: those things just I didn't right, especially the passing game
Speaker 6: for the Broncos, which was kind of janky and segmented
Speaker 6: after that second half started right.
Speaker 2: The Bills are such a different team this year.
Speaker 1: I know they've won in the wildcard round sometimes buy
Speaker 1: a lot before, and yet I think this game really
Speaker 1: showed how much more mature they are as a team,
Speaker 1: just like they can beat you any sort of way.
Speaker 1: And I was really impressed Kevin how early they were
Speaker 1: so patient with the running game. Fans Joseph was saying, like,
Speaker 1: beat us this way. The Bills are like, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: put our six offensive linemen out there. The run to
Speaker 1: pass ratio in the end was forty four runs twenty
Speaker 1: eight passes, which is like, okay, it was a laugher.
Speaker 2: You must have got out of control late.
Speaker 1: No, there was twenty two runs twelve passes early and
Speaker 1: they kept sticking with it, and more importantly, they can
Speaker 1: do it really well against a good defense.
Speaker 5: Well, it made the Broncos adjust their defense because they
Speaker 5: kept pounding it and Allen was like, are you gonna
Speaker 5: play two shell? I'm just gonna keep handing up. They
Speaker 5: had one hundred and twenty eight yards rushing at halftime.
Speaker 5: Josh Allen had sixty nine yards passing in the second half.
Speaker 5: He flipped it because then the Broncos were like, we
Speaker 5: got to bring some blitzes. And then Josh burned him
Speaker 5: with four deep shots, two of them for touchdowns, and
Speaker 5: he he ended up with two hundred and seventy two
Speaker 5: totally passing yards. So you do the mass two hundred
Speaker 5: yards on the second half because they just got those
Speaker 5: openings because they were patient early. And if he's such
Speaker 5: a more mature quarterback this year than in any other year,
Speaker 5: it's not just the not taking sacks and not just
Speaker 5: the avoiding bad turnovers. It's him understanding like, Okay, you're
Speaker 5: gonna do this to me, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna force it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna just hand the ball off to James Cook
Speaker 5: and we're gonna run for one hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I mean.
Speaker 1: Even the sack that he did take in the red
Speaker 1: zone before they kicked the field goal of the seven
Speaker 1: to three, that was one play. As he was stepping up,
Speaker 1: I had visions of like bad Josh Allen plays in
Speaker 1: my mind for a second, like, oh, how is this
Speaker 1: gonna go They've got him totally surrounded and you could
Speaker 1: see for a second and then he just took the sack.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be the guy who's like rewarding.
Speaker 1: The guy for you know, at a boy, you took
Speaker 1: a sack like you devoided the negative play. But for
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I think this performance Nick did show a lot.
Speaker 1: And you gotta love a team that goes out there
Speaker 1: and they put six offensive linemen on the field on
Speaker 1: almost a quarter of their snaps. They led the league
Speaker 1: in doing this during the season, and they did it
Speaker 1: way more in this game than they usually do. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Allen ends up with forty six, but Ty Johnson goes
Speaker 1: nine for forty four. They put him in for a
Speaker 1: drive and they're electric and Cook gets one twenty and one.
Speaker 1: It's just a crazy combination to have all of those
Speaker 1: guys and Josh Allen running the ball.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's indicative of this entire Bills season. I think
Speaker 9: because they went into the offseason they lost to Fon
Speaker 9: Diggs via trade and they had to kind of reformulate
Speaker 9: who they were and all the questions came, who are
Speaker 9: they going to throw it to? Well, they didn't really
Speaker 9: need to figure out who they were going to throw
Speaker 9: it to. They were just going to change who they
Speaker 9: were and not be so aggressive. Instead, take what defenses
Speaker 9: give them, be aggressive when those opportunities arose, but don't
Speaker 9: force it. Just like you said, that's how you end
Speaker 9: up winning the time of possession battle forty one minutes
Speaker 9: and forty three seconds to eighteen seven. Sure, you're gonna
Speaker 9: make us work for it. Guess what you're not going
Speaker 9: to see the football. The Broncos end of this game
Speaker 9: with eight possessions, four in each half, and if you're
Speaker 9: not capitalizing on all of those, the Bills are just
Speaker 9: going to squeeze you to death. They're gonna squeeze you
Speaker 9: into submission like a bowl constrictor, and it's going to
Speaker 9: look like a laugher when it really kind of wasn't
Speaker 9: that case until probably after that touchdown pass to Ti
Speaker 9: Johnson we just talked about it. I mean, that's a
Speaker 9: play that takes the life out of an opponent when
Speaker 9: you're playing well enough to keep it close and then
Speaker 9: they hit a fourth down like that, and that displays
Speaker 9: the maturity that you just spoke of. This is a
Speaker 9: Bills team that understands the goal ahead and the task
Speaker 9: at hand, which is win this game and get the next.
Speaker 9: You don't have to be flashy to do it, just
Speaker 9: win the game and move on. And then they end
Speaker 9: up being flashy as a result.
Speaker 1: They had eight different players have at least two targets
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 2: One player had six. That's Khalioshakir caught all of them.
Speaker 1: Everyone else had either two or three, and you were like,
Speaker 1: who are you gonna throw it to? The answer is
Speaker 1: mostly not Amari Cooper, who is fifth on the team
Speaker 1: in snaps at wide receiver. Patrick isn't that crazy.
Speaker 6: And one of those two catches was like a screen
Speaker 6: ball where it's like, this is not what you get
Speaker 6: Amari Cooper for it.
Speaker 1: He ran eleven routes and the snaps are distributed pretty
Speaker 1: evenly where it's not like a huge gap between one
Speaker 1: and five. But he is fifth, and it's lower than
Speaker 1: the two tight ends too, so technically it's like seventh
Speaker 1: among possible pets catchers and it's fine, And it kind
Speaker 1: of was a sneaky one sided game. I guess it's
Speaker 1: not that sneaky the way the second half played out,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't believe this stat that I saw from
Speaker 1: Jay Skersky of I believe the Buffalo News the yardage
Speaker 1: differential in this game four seventy one to two twenty four.
Speaker 1: That's a two hundred and forty seven yard differential. That
Speaker 1: was the biggest in any playoff game since Cam Newton
Speaker 1: started a game against the Arizona Cardinals. Right, And I
Speaker 1: want you guys to guess who was the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals in this game. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: give you guys so much money.
Speaker 3: Chilton wasn't.
Speaker 10: This wasn't the NFC championship game.
Speaker 2: This is this is I believe the wild card or
Speaker 2: divisional round, that.
Speaker 4: One where they had leg gone like through the three quarter.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, and why it's a tough answer, that's
Speaker 1: that's not right. He was I think their backup that year.
Speaker 1: It was Ryan Linley And it was, Yes, the worst.
Speaker 2: It was the worst.
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't they throw?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the worst performance I've ever seen by
Speaker 1: any playoff team.
Speaker 2: It was I don't know what that yardage one was,
Speaker 2: but it was like off.
Speaker 6: It was absolutely looking across at Thomas Davis and Luke King,
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 2: It was troubling.
Speaker 3: Josh Norman.
Speaker 1: It was a game that was over with it about
Speaker 1: like six minutes, which you just don't see too often.
Speaker 1: This one gave us a lot more entertainment, in part
Speaker 1: because the Broncos offense had a great first drive. Bo
Speaker 1: Nicks rips a third and long on his very first
Speaker 1: you know, third down of the game, first throw of
Speaker 1: the game, and then has a beautiful touchdown pass and
Speaker 1: the rest of the game, I felt like there was
Speaker 1: a couple of drops in there.
Speaker 2: I don't think bo Nicks played that bad.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times where he didn't see
Speaker 1: the field well and maybe panicked a bit, But I
Speaker 1: felt like it was kind of a full team just
Speaker 1: we're not good enough versus like a bad Bonicks game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was the Courtland Sutton drop.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think doom to drive the drive at the
Speaker 6: end of the first half where there was a twelve
Speaker 6: yard Bonnicks scrambled and he hit Courtland Sutton I believe,
Speaker 6: for twenty one yards before Lutz missed the field goal.
Speaker 3: Just in spots.
Speaker 6: But then when the opposition is the juggernaut that's handled
Speaker 6: them all off a lot running the ball the way
Speaker 6: they did, they just had to execute better, and it
Speaker 6: just it felt like there was something missing a running
Speaker 6: game all season.
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, they can't run the ball.
Speaker 5: I felt like the Bills and McDermott knew exactly who
Speaker 5: they were going at and they were gonna make Bonix
Speaker 5: get try to get to his second and third read
Speaker 5: and knew he couldn't do it under pressure. He did
Speaker 5: not play well. This was like, I think, the most
Speaker 5: he's been pressured in a game all season, and he
Speaker 5: just didn't play well. I don't think he played poorly,
Speaker 5: because like you said, there was those drops, but he
Speaker 5: couldn't execute at a level that I think in two
Speaker 5: or three years he will be able to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were it was all. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of just misses.
Speaker 1: Now he had a couple just missed an interception, so
Speaker 1: it could have gone the other way too, but just
Speaker 1: a pass off.
Speaker 2: Here or there. They didn't get the running game going
Speaker 2: all year.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton just talked about how look, we couldn't we
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything on third down and we couldn't win
Speaker 1: their first downs at all. They were living in like
Speaker 1: second in four all year. And you wonder if the Broncos,
Speaker 1: who have a really good defense but they're so light
Speaker 1: that then you might want to add like a little
Speaker 1: bit of size, Greg Russo, von Miller, Matt Malano played
Speaker 1: almost every snap, so some good signs I think for
Speaker 1: the Bills defense. Who uh oh boy, Like, let's get going, Shuky,
Speaker 1: we got we got it. This is one of the
Speaker 1: better divisional round games I can remember. I guess it's
Speaker 1: too early. We shouldn't already be previewing next week. Actually,
Speaker 1: let's hear from Sean McDermott before we hear from Nick
Speaker 1: Schuck talking about next week.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean this is what this is what everyone's
Speaker 14: been waiting for, right, So it'll be it'll be a
Speaker 14: nice week and everyone will be looking forward to it.
Speaker 14: And you know they're a great football team, right, I
Speaker 14: mean the they handled us pretty good the first go around,
Speaker 14: and you know they're they're certainly playing well, well coached.
Speaker 14: John's want to won a super Bowl and comes from
Speaker 14: great pedigree. So it'll be a big challenge for.
Speaker 1: We don't need to preview the game next week. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Shuk, Like, how do you see this?
Speaker 1: Like the discourse is going to be annoying, but how
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna be very annoying? But how
Speaker 1: do you think like they set themselves up kind of
Speaker 1: where they are now maybe versus where they were early
Speaker 1: in the season.
Speaker 9: The Bill's best chance of victory is to follow the
Speaker 9: same approach that they had today. The question is can
Speaker 9: you run the ball as effectively against the defense that
Speaker 9: has more weight to it? That is probably coming You know,
Speaker 9: they're coming together really well in Baltimore down the.
Speaker 10: Back half of the season.
Speaker 9: Zach Or has really figured out how to use this
Speaker 9: defense to his advantage. And at what point when you
Speaker 9: have to shift to ask Josh Allen to make plays?
Speaker 9: You know, at what point in the game does that arrive?
Speaker 10: Is it early? Is it often?
Speaker 9: Because if it's early and often, then you're gonna be
Speaker 9: in a hell of a battle if you can't lean
Speaker 9: on the run game early.
Speaker 10: But it's gonna be quite a matchup.
Speaker 9: And we already know what Baltimore's offense, which looks like
Speaker 9: one of the best units in the league, can do.
Speaker 9: Obviously we'll spend all week talking about it, but it's
Speaker 9: gonna be a great game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like for them that Milano was able to play
Speaker 1: more snaps and on third down. I like that Vaughn
Speaker 1: had two of the team's three quick pressures, but there
Speaker 1: are five pressures overall, and yeah, I had a couple
Speaker 1: quick ones, so he's coming around at the long time.
Speaker 1: I also think their short yardage package has now past
Speaker 1: the Eagles as the best short yardage, don't you think,
Speaker 1: because they do the Josh Allen push and that's never
Speaker 1: stopped ever. But they also mix in the like on
Speaker 1: the third and one where they knew they had the
Speaker 1: fourth and one to go to, where he kind of
Speaker 1: boots out and it's defended perfectly and he makes you
Speaker 1: miss on the edge in a way.
Speaker 2: Maybe Jalen hurts. Probably they can do they can do
Speaker 2: anything in those short yardages.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, snapping the ball to Josh, I think is
Speaker 6: always going to help. I do know a Rams team
Speaker 6: over across the street that had success against the Josh
Speaker 6: Allen quarterback sneak fair, especially late fair. I'm not going
Speaker 6: to put them on the level of the Eagles in
Speaker 6: that situation because I think it's fundamentally different the way
Speaker 6: they approach it. I mean, the Eagles were able to
Speaker 6: to run a trick playoff of it just because of
Speaker 6: the certainty right today that that they were going to
Speaker 6: get it on fourth down. I don't know that the
Speaker 6: Bills necessarily have that luxury, and and and with the
Speaker 6: the game and the stakes and the abilities of the team,
Speaker 6: I don't how many fourth downs are we going to see?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's fair. How are How are you feeling?
Speaker 3: Patrick?
Speaker 1: I was hoping because that's the Sunday afternoon game, it's
Speaker 1: the last one. It's Tony Romo, it's Jim Nance, It's
Speaker 1: it's the entree of this weekend. And so generally we
Speaker 1: would be here in the in the office, like are
Speaker 1: you going to watch it in the theater with us,
Speaker 1: with all us common folks.
Speaker 6: Primarily I will be watching the football game by myself. Okay,
Speaker 6: I will be I will be loud. There will be
Speaker 6: a lot of swear words one way or the other.
Speaker 9: M M.
Speaker 6: Probably won't be looking at Twitter. I'll be pacing back
Speaker 6: and forth and yelling obscenities at the screen. So I'll
Speaker 6: keep it, keep it.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel for you because it having been
Speaker 1: there with the pay you don't want the game.
Speaker 2: You want the game to be on Saturday.
Speaker 1: If you're doing like a Sunday night show, you want
Speaker 1: like the twenty four hours to kind of like calm
Speaker 1: down your emotions. Maybe good or bad from it, you know,
Speaker 1: just you don't want to be raw coming into the
Speaker 1: studio after a loss.
Speaker 2: But the listeners hopefully will like it if that happened.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean everybody, anybody that puts up with me anyway,
Speaker 6: you know, I appreciate it regardless. But it's yeah, during
Speaker 6: is tough. It's tough to be around. I mean, having
Speaker 6: to listen to to Herbie is enough.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, last night was was not great. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to Let's listen to Sean McDermott again. I want to
Speaker 1: hear him talk about that Ty Johnson touchdown, which really
Speaker 1: was the biggest play of the game in an incredible
Speaker 1: play by Johnson.
Speaker 14: What I saw, well, probably like you on the on
Speaker 14: Ties touchdown, I was going, oh, come on, come on,
Speaker 14: oh yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, that was yes, his yeah, his version of
Speaker 1: that exactly. Great job by the Bills and a great
Speaker 1: season for the Broncos considering what people thought about that
Speaker 1: team coming into the season. I know our friend Cynthia
Speaker 1: Frielan had that as her favorite over under the year
Speaker 1: as an over five and a half.
Speaker 2: But good for her, you know, but that was five
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, they shed some veteran dous on defense,
Speaker 5: and this defense was still good. That's a credit Defanse
Speaker 5: Joseph for sure.
Speaker 1: I think they have a really solid foundation to build
Speaker 1: from because they have a great play caller, an offensive
Speaker 1: line that is clearly coached well and they can tweak
Speaker 1: if they need to, and plenty of talent on defense,
Speaker 1: maybe the defensive player of the year. They're gonna need
Speaker 1: to get better because the schedule is going to get harder.
Speaker 1: You know, they really didn't beat any good teams this year.
Speaker 1: They've kind of made it through the whole season without
Speaker 1: basically beating a good team that was trying to win.
Speaker 1: So they need to get better, but they can't get better.
Speaker 1: That division suddenly looks very good. Okay, that's it for
Speaker 1: the games we have the schedule. I haven't gone through
Speaker 1: them all in a row yet, so we will be starting. Yes,
Speaker 1: Houston Tech's and love that Saturday afternoon window. Now they're
Speaker 1: almost undefeated, six and two and west ofvis but that's
Speaker 1: only wild Card weekend.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 1: The magic doesn't work on Saturday afternoon, and that's when
Speaker 1: they'll be in Arrowhead.
Speaker 2: That is the ESPN Troy Aikman Game.
Speaker 1: That night is the Fox game Tom Brady back in
Speaker 1: our Lives, Lions and Commanders, expect a lot of points
Speaker 1: there Sunday morning, or rather after noon. Now they got
Speaker 1: the noon Pacific three pm start. You have the winner
Speaker 1: of Rams Vikings who will be heading to Philadelphia surely
Speaker 1: as an underdog, and then yes, Ravens and Bills as
Speaker 1: the capper starting at six point thirty eastern.
Speaker 2: Ooh, it's gotta be fun. My favorite week D of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: And yet I can't feel like we can look forward
Speaker 1: that much, Nick, because we have a Monday night recap
Speaker 1: to do tomorrow night. I'm looking forward to that as well.
Speaker 1: Before we get out it feels a little off topic.
Speaker 1: But the New England Patriots hired ahead. Oh how about that?
Speaker 1: As the person Nick that resembles Mike Rabel most physically
Speaker 1: on the show, I'll let you go first. Talk me
Speaker 1: out of this being like a vaguely annoying higher because
Speaker 1: it just feels like more of the same, going back
Speaker 1: to the same, well, no fresh ideas, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on an island here among Patriots
Speaker 1: fans who are generally loving this.
Speaker 9: I'm also the person who grew up like five minutes fromhere.
Speaker 9: Mike Rable went to high school.
Speaker 2: But that's there, you go. It is he.
Speaker 9: It's like what you were going for with Gerrod Mayo,
Speaker 9: except he has proven head coaching experience, has earned an
Speaker 9: AFC's top seed before with the Tennessee Titans, He's won
Speaker 9: the division. He's at least got a track record of
Speaker 9: doing it and being able to handle it, which, unfortunately,
Speaker 9: in Girod Mayo's first season, we kind of learned that
Speaker 9: he just was inexperienced at being a head coach and
Speaker 9: having to deal with the media or whatever else might
Speaker 9: be the ups and downs of coaching a bad team.
Speaker 9: And Rabel I don't think is going to come in
Speaker 9: and transform this team because this is a personnel thing,
Speaker 9: but I think it brings them the stability and familiarity
Speaker 9: that they're seeking.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 9: Is the whole Patriot Way thing going to re emerge here? No,
Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to. But at least he
Speaker 9: understands the franchise and knows how to win.
Speaker 10: They just need to improve the roster to really see
Speaker 10: that through.
Speaker 9: I mean, his whole Tennessee tenure got blown up when
Speaker 9: Aj Brown got traded and his whole issue with John
Speaker 9: Robinson back then, So I don't hold that against him,
Speaker 9: but it felt like the most obvious higher we were
Speaker 9: going to see in this cycle.
Speaker 10: So at least it's out of the way.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the Patriot Way, Patrick Claiban, Oh.
Speaker 6: The Patriot Way is the reason that Mike Rabel is
Speaker 6: the head coach. The Patriot Way had nothing to do
Speaker 6: with anything. It's a myth. The Patriots had good players, and.
Speaker 3: It isn't it.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, to Patrick's credit, always says there is no such.
Speaker 6: Thing like Mike Rabel stepped up to the microphone, he answered,
Speaker 6: he didn't do a Belichick impersonation. He wasn't weird that
Speaker 6: there weren't like scoldings over what the media was wearing,
Speaker 6: like one former coach, that there wasn't any of the
Speaker 6: weird Josh McDaniel's tenure. Mike Rabel was Mike Rabel, And
Speaker 6: so I think this isn't a step backwards. It's actually
Speaker 6: a step forward to what the Patriots probably could have been,
Speaker 6: you know, for that's fair.
Speaker 1: And if dealing with the media was a weakness for Mayo,
Speaker 1: if anything, I feel like Rabel's too cozy with the media.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of the thing that annoys me.
Speaker 10: In Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, can you be too cozy with the
Speaker 3: media there.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like it's that's fair, they'll support him if
Speaker 2: that's the case.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's we've seen how can go.
Speaker 1: It's more the media that that annoys me when they
Speaker 1: play favorites. Like there's just always those coaches that play
Speaker 1: the media game behind the scenes and it's just so transparent.
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher was was the king at it. Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: is a strong guy at it, certainly, and Rabel is
Speaker 1: that guy. But doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Certainly
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's a bad coach. I think they were
Speaker 1: very good on the details. The thing that I worry
Speaker 1: about is you always want I would like to have
Speaker 1: a coach with a clear schematic advantage that he brings
Speaker 1: to the table something defining. Now we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches that are really succeeding that aren't in the
Speaker 1: play caller model, like John Harbaugh and Dan Campbell, And
Speaker 1: so that's a fair point. Even Mike Tomlin, in a way,
Speaker 1: maybe his best juice is running the entire organization. Although
Speaker 1: I think Mike Tomlin kind of combines both, which is
Speaker 1: what you want. Mike Rabel, I don't really know, Like
Speaker 1: his defenses were up and down.
Speaker 2: It's stunk.
Speaker 1: When I was a coordinator in Houston, some of his
Speaker 1: offenses were great and efficient with Tannehill, But he also
Speaker 1: hired Tim Kelly and Todd Downing as his last two
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, so that I don't know what you're getting.
Speaker 1: But in terms of running an entire organization, kind of
Speaker 1: being a little more detail oriented in terms of game
Speaker 1: management and stuff like that, you're the players and the coaches.
Speaker 1: I feel like he'll raise the floor quite a bit
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question that he's going to
Speaker 5: bring a more just the mentality that he brought. I
Speaker 5: just thought the drowd mail from the start just dropped
Speaker 5: the ball with some of the comments he's making in
Speaker 5: the preseason, and then it just kept going downhill from there,
Speaker 5: and I think.
Speaker 4: That's where they're trying to look.
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting that three days they fired Mayo,
Speaker 5: three days after Rabel interviewed with the Jets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, this was just little Jeb there right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this was to go there.
Speaker 1: This was all choreographed, which is frustrating. I think if
Speaker 1: you want the Rooney Roll to be respected, if even
Speaker 1: as a Patriots fan, like you want them to consider
Speaker 1: all possible options, like a Ben Johnson even like I
Speaker 1: think Ben Johnson was like a sham interview, Like it's
Speaker 1: just which is too, Like it was just from the
Speaker 1: reporting that was there, and it's from really strong people,
Speaker 1: Greg Badard, Tom Kurrn. They were saying things like ninety
Speaker 1: plus percent the whole time. They were saying that literally
Speaker 1: before any of this was happening, So it was always
Speaker 1: happening and maybe maybe it'll be good, it'll definitely it
Speaker 1: just should definitely help their twenty twenty five like win
Speaker 1: loss record, which is the idea. Maybe I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: whiny about it. I want to see what the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator is. If it winds up being Josh McDaniels, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be happy.
Speaker 3: Let's get Josh McDaniels back in there, get the gang
Speaker 3: back together. Greg, what's Bill?
Speaker 4: What's Patricia doing?
Speaker 2: The only he's down with Bill? Right, That's what I think.
Speaker 3: So thank you, that's gonna go great.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is too and yeah, do you already hear
Speaker 1: that he's bringing in his GM candidate that isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: gonna be the GM because Elliott Wolf will still be there,
Speaker 1: but maybe he'll be over Elliott Wolf.
Speaker 2: And so this is that was a problem for Vrabel
Speaker 2: back there.
Speaker 1: And I don't want all this like palace intrigue and
Speaker 1: source offs and.
Speaker 3: All of that, but palace intrigue in New England.
Speaker 1: And exactly before we go and uh, yeah, we appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone and listened to two shows with us this weekend.
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Speaker 1: I know. I love I love La And it's such
Speaker 1: a big place it's hard to put your arms around it,
Speaker 1: and yet it can feel almost small in a situation
Speaker 1: like this. And everywhere I go here I see a
Speaker 1: lot of like lines to donate around me because I'm
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, which is you know, right next to
Speaker 1: the Palisades there and a lot of people trying to
Speaker 1: help and coming together as a community. And yeah, I liked,
Speaker 1: you know how, shout out to Mexico for sending up
Speaker 1: a bunch of virus fighters. Like I saw him, I
Speaker 1: saw him go by. I was like, there we go
Speaker 1: like we're we're getting it. We're getting it done like
Speaker 1: and uh, as we move forward into this week, we
Speaker 1: can just only hope that that it continues to get
Speaker 1: better and everyone stay safe and uh yeah, we're.
Speaker 2: Just we're just hoping for the best. It's it's all
Speaker 2: we can do.
Speaker 1: And and Shook, I'll be back with you on Monday night.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 5: Patra, thanks for having me stop and by this, I'm
Speaker 5: natural ye just fly out just for this silver.
Speaker 2: Silver fox here. Look well we're.
Speaker 1: Down to only one game left and wild card weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, football is back. Give us a good one,
Speaker 2: Bikings and Rams.