WEBVTT - SARAH JESSICA PARKER IS BACK! 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.959 you a Charlotte? Guess who's here? 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:11.440 Are you shooting now? Yeah? 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.440 This is how it goes. I know it's pajake. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.280 It's just nice. It's a sooth kind entry. Yeah, it's 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:21.480 very nice. It's very Christian. 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.880 If you can't tell by her voice, Sarah Jessica here, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.880 I'm here. I know you can't tell. It is Joy 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.400 as I told her when she walked in. Thank God 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.120 we have this so that I can see her face 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.040 to face. It is wonderful and I have been I 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.320 literally have so many things to talk to you about 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.600 that I don't even know where to begin, because I 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.880 have been fully steeped in season three and season four, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.800 which I know that you don't watch, but I need 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.440 to represent to you the unbelievable brilliance. And I'm not 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:57.040 I'm not, I'm not kidding. It is I cannot believe 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.960 that we made the show that we made. Wow, That's 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:00.680 that's how I feel. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:01.440 Wow. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.080 It floors me. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:03.720 Really. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.720 I had Julian and Elisa on yesterday because we got 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.000 to my mother board myself, which was their first episode. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.679 The amazing TV job. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.080 I mean to think now, as you've already stated, and 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.760 I can just emphasize again how little I recall, which 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.480 at this point might be purposeful. But I do recall 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.000 a lot about my mother board myself, because I think 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.160 a large number of us didn't even know what a 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.240 motherboard was. And so there was that, which is just 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:41.600 understanding motherboard. But also tech serve featured prominently, which is gone, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:47.080 which is so sad. And that was the episode. Is 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.000 that Cynthia's mother? Yeah? Wow, yes, yeah, I can't believe 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.080 that was their freshman script. Real. Yeah, it was such 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:01.600 a you know, such a declaration of know here we are, Yes, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:07.680 we're hugely talented, and they just had it felt so 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.840 right that they had been given that. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.000 I was so smart about that. We talked through that 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.360 process a little bit, like how did they come He 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.320 had had it on the whiteboard as Miranda's mother will die, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.919 which was a huge departure fresh We had not at 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:28.200 that point done anything Familion then, right, And as Astuf 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.200 who came earlier today was saying, the whole episode is 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.200 about grief, right, because you lose your writing, which is 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.160 your identity, you know, to a huge extent. And also 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.560 a little bit earlier in the season in my mind, 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.760 and Michael Patrick's coming next week. He told me, I know, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:46.639 I can't. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:47.320 Wait Los Angeles. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.800 Yeah, yeah, I can't wait. I saw him when he 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.880 got honored for the Human Rights Council whatever it is. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.440 It was amazing, like just the you know, he put 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.240 a clip together. It was so incredible, and of course 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.520 I cried and I was, you know, my Craig. But 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.079 it's just so incredible to have been part of all 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.800 of it, you know, and just doing things because we 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:16.720 wanted to do them, I know, not really realizing the 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.239 history and the repercussions and the connectedness and the. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:30.880 Chatter and the peripheral feelings. I think that wasn't a 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:37.240 singularly unique time, but relative to the ways in which 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.160 we live now and experience and absorb culture, it was. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:50.520 It feels like it was, you know, almost like a 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.640 new born baby. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:53.480 There was so. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:04:02.040 Little cynicism about about work and you know, reception, and 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.440 I think so, you know, lots of television shows had 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.920 come and gone, great shows, lesser successful. Meeting shows had success, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.760 they had disappointment, they failed. They were monumental and consequential. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:21.680 But I think what was unique was that HBO to 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:29.000 your point. Didn't care about reference. They were just doing 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.960 what they wanted to do. So if there was any 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.400 reason to be rational about choices, well don't do that, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.080 because this show didn't have luck when they did that, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.000 or there was a really strong reaction, or there was controversy. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.479 That just wasn't the way they made decisions. And that 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.880 kind of ego filtered down to the shows, which was 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.640 if you could afford it, for the most part, go 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.800 ahead and do it amazing, Like if you can get 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.839 that inside our budget every now and then you had 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.599 to beg for rain, you know. Yeah, But I think 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.680 that was just a massive advantage of the times in 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:10.039 which we lived, and that time at HBO where absolutely 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:15.640 it was new enough to be almost reckless. Yeah, and 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.480 there was like a decadence to making television. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.520 Yeah, And like it's hard to even really fathom the 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.599 differences now, which you know, I don't even know. That 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.479 would be a different podcast. But I'm so happy that 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.760 we were able to create in that. But I also 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.560 feel like the choices that were made and you were 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.520 a huge part of that. And I wanted to talk 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.080 a little bit about that because one thing that I 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.160 do notice and I was aware of this at the time, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.080 but not fully right because I was just in it 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.800 and trying to do the best I could do and 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.000 trying to wear the shoes and blah blah blah, you know, 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.359 trying to stay awake when I had to or whatever. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.960 Your credit, you know, is at the point where it's changing, right, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.640 Like now we're co executive producer and originally it was consultant. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.320 What was that like and what was your thinking about 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.239 being part of the decisions. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:14.760 So when I met initially with Darren in ninety six, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.520 ninety seven, right, because we shot the pilot in ninety seven, correct. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.320 I think so, And it was on the idea, Yes, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:22.840 So I. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:27.040 Met with him and we met at Eli's, I think 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.560 that version of say Bars on the Upper East Side 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.320 on Madison, which was a very and continues to be 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.840 a very fancy but maybe some might argue the greatest 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.080 egg sil at in New York City. And I was 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.240 very happy to meet him there, understanding that typically that 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.520 lunch is going to be paid for, you know, if 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.320 you're invited, And we talked and talked about this show 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.560 and this idea and this pilot, and he said to me, then, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.599 and you know, you should produce the show at that 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.200 first meeting, and I said, I I don't know how 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.440 to produce a show. And he said, how long have 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.240 you been on sets? How many years have you been 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.479 on sets? And you know, I sort of thought about 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.320 a number, and he said, you know how to produce. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.160 You just you just weren't paying attention. You just weren't 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.560 thinking I should be watching for this reason. You were 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.160 simply watching. I'm putting words in his mouth, but that 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.400 that was the essence of the conversation. And I was, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.760 you know, hesitant, because I felt ill equipped and I 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.280 didn't want to walk on a set in a position 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.040 of an authority in title or any reason without feeling 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.520 like I, you know, had the street credit. And he said, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.280 why don't you just be a consultant the first year? 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.520 Just be a consultant, go to meetings, listen and learn, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:47.760 which was so wise and such good counsel and also 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.760 just I think enormously generous, because it did, in many 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.480 ways offer me a second career, like it paralleled the 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.880 work of an of my life as an actor, but 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.480 that allowed me to learn something else, which I think 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.560 is invaluable, whether or not I chose to do anything 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.040 with it. But what I discovered is I love producing, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.960 and I thought producing was really also just simply about math, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.960 which I had, you know, basically failed. Like as a student, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.760 I tested very poorly in math. I panicked over math. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.440 Math tests very poorly on my PSATs as if I 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.080 never entered a classroom in my life. That's how I tested. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.680 And of course what I came to learn also is 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:37.160 that producing is people. It's people, people, people, people people. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.959 And you can learn budget, you can learn union laws, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.280 you can learn you know, over time, golden time, you 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:49.360 can learn wages, but how you handle that information is 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:54.480 far more important than balancing the checkbook in a way, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.840 if you're a responsible person anyway that makes sense. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.960 Yes, very much so. So I didn't know any of this. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.000 It's super, super fascinating. So in the beginning, the consultant 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.080 was something that was Darren's idea, and you were kind 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.000 of like, Okay, I don't want to overstep my budor. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.199 But then as time went on, how did it become 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:14.840 a larger and larger part. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:20.360 I think what happened is when Michael took over season two. Correct, Yeah, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.880 there's always like this mysteries that we make that up, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:30.559 and he and I just had a kind of affinity 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:36.600 for one another. And I think because he was assuming 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:44.880 a really important, critical role and I was kind of 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.520 changing the way I was interpreting my job outside of acting, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:54.640 we sort of there was this a kind of alignment, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.000 and I think we felt we needed each other. Yeah, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.479 And therefore my work as a producer became more important 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:12.000 because our collaboration felt so necessary and important, And I 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.000 think he was looking for someone to talk about ideas 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:23.360 and feelings and scripts and pictures and colors, and I 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.880 was looking to learn more about his work and how 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.920 I could be a good and helpful partner and co 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.400 producer or whatever I was called at that point. And 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.160 so I think the more you listen and learn, and 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.280 the more you're able to be a good collaborator and 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.240 hear people who've done it longer, no more, the better 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:53.800 partner you are. And so I think that season two 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:58.000 we just started understanding our roles more clearly, if that 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.440 makes sense, and you're just much more more invested. The 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:07.120 more responsibility you have two people to a company, to 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:15.200 a partnership, the more important those choices in those conversations become. Right. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.960 The thing for me that's interesting in terms of observing it, right. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.199 I think I've talked about this before. I don't know 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.120 if I've talked to you about it, but I remember 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.719 so clearly the pilot. I don't know if you remember this, 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.760 when we go to the Chinese restaurant. It was like 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.040 our first group scene, basically. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:31.800 I do remember that. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.960 And this is when you still had to talk to 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.320 the camera, and it was super stressful and it was 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.320 very strange because you had to take yourself out of 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.960 the scene and talk to a mystery person in the camera, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.880 but you were talking to yourself, right, And I'm sitting 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.520 there and I'm just all like, whoah oh. That's my 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.120 general feeling at all times, and obviously very nervous also usually. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.720 And I remember a conversation that you had with Darren 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.120 about the talking to the camera, and I thought you 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.320 were completely because I knew he was an actor. How 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.160 would I even do that. Yeah, it's a very strange 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.400 thing for me, right, And we've talked about that before. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.760 But what I remember being so impactful for me was 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.520 how you spoke to Darren because you you know, he 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.520 was in charge and I had only ever known him 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.559 in the Other World network world of Melrose and whatnot. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:23.160 And it's not like he was, you know, autocrat or anything, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.320 but he was like, I want you to do this, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.960 like let's try this, you know whatever. And you were 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.800 just very calm and talking to but you were you 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.560 were so calm, but you were very clear in a 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.760 way that I hadn't really seen other actors do at 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.520 that point, because I had not been like our creation 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.480 was different, you know, it was different from the beginning, right, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.120 And and you had it back and forth with him, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.520 and I was like, yes, she's right, because it was wacky, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.920 you know what he was asking. And sometimes Darren would 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:53.880 just have an idea. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.120 You know, like which is good and welcome, of course, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:57.480 of course, but sometimes it. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.480 Would be strange, like I remember one time later on 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.600 maybe in is one, you're looking through a window at 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.000 shoes and suddenly like basically an emoji appears on the screen. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.720 Is that right? 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.160 Yeah? And you're just like, wait, what's happening? And do 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:11.960 you remember how they used to do like split screens 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.800 when we were on the phone or whatever. Yes, and 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.120 then they'd move like Brady Bunch, yes, just like wait wait, yes, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.640 that was him trying stuff out right. Well, there's nothing 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.880 wrong with that, But it's also like you're just like, wait, wait, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.360 what what's going on? Are like Sparkly Star is going 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.280 to show actually what is happening? Which brings me to 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.760 one thing I'm gonna ask you about in a second. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.840 But the thing that I love, and that really the 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.000 reason that I still think about it, is that I 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.120 loved the way that you spoke to him from a 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.120 place of like calm, power, not power power, of like 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.080 it will be my way. And he wasn't saying that 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.679 to you either. It was I'm in my skin and 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.959 this is how it feels, and this is what I'm 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.480 worried about. I'm worried that it's taking me away from 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.839 the group scene, which is really important, and from the instincts, 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.040 there was nothing more important if you think about our trajectory, right. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:04.320 Yeah, I think that if he had not in our 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:13.600 initial meeting, if he'd not been so hospitable to me, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.440 just in general, but also the ways in which he 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.920 he felt like I could and should do this part, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.400 I probably would not have had the courage to share 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.800 with him when something didn't feel good right. And I think, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.720 in particular to talking to the camera, for me, felt 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.560 really problematic because I think, as I said at the time, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.200 it's extremely hard to do well. And as you know, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.560 I repeated, my husband did it in a movie, and 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.720 he did it extremely well, and it felt like a 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:52.080 kind of device that suited that movie so perfectly. And 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:57.160 I don't have to go into all that, but if 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.880 the thrust of our show, as I understood it at 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.320 that time, were these kinds of intimacies and conversation and 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.080 the necessity of these friendships, and the fact that it 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:18.560 was a column, if the human exchange weren't so important, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.360 and maybe if we were a three camera show, you 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 could have felt like a kind of buoyancy around that 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.760 that would be funny, and maybe the audience could start 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.960 getting involved with it and you could like almost like 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.880 score it with music and like you could do a 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.480 whole thing with it. But to be a single camera 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.920 show at that point, darkly lit like cinematic, it felt 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.880 like the Sesame Street, like one of these things is 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.280 not like the other. It didn't. So I think my 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.760 argument at the time was, I think it's hurting what 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.640 you're really trying to do, which is the thing that 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.240 matters most to you. And I don't think I'm doing 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.640 it well, which is also problematic. It's not going to 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.080 be good. I think it's going to hurt the show. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.880 Right, and you were one right in my opinion. But 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.200 what I loved about it was that you you were 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.080 fully invested from the get go, and I don't think 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.000 you know another way to be right. I only barely 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.800 met you that day, you know what I mean, But 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.360 like that's just who you are, which is a beautiful thing. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.360 And what also, I feel like as time went on 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.440 and your title grew, and basically what you're saying is 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.120 that Darren kind of planted the seed and then you 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.680 and Michael had this kind of meeting of the minds 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:45.400 and souls, right, and flowed from that. I was thinking 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 about this too as I'm watching in my mind what 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.240 I think I had done, because I watched these shows 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.200 as though I have never seen them lately, Like I'm 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.560 just like, I don't remember the Almos. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.320 Will ever have a courage to do that? 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.800 I hope and I pray that you will. Like I'm 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.880 so happy that you never get sick, and I don't 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.840 want you to ever get sick. But let's say sometime 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.120 you pick up a virus or whatever. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:06.640 I never do you know what I mean? 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.040 This would be an excellent way to feel better. I 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.040 think because having the distance now that we have, because 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.080 I always watched it right away when we got it 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.000 because it was so exciting, right and remember we used 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.600 to get the vhs and they weren't always complete. There 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.600 might be a card or music or whatever, you know 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.879 what I mean, Right so now, And I thought I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.359 knew a lot, and I do in some ways. But 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.120 like I was trying to get ready to come here 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.080 yesterday and I was doing my makeup while I was 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.480 watching my mother board myself and Sirjisca. It floored me 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.240 and I cried my makeup off. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.680 Wow it wow is so good. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:52.840 It is so like beautifully crafted and created and acted 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.120 and all of the things. But also it's about loss, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:18:01.840 and we're little babies. Yeah we don't really know it's present. Yeah, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.760 And that made me just so moved, you know. Yeah, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.480 Like it's hard, but it's also great, I'm saying. And 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.080 I kind of just don't know how we did it, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.720 Like I mean, it's just this miracle that everyone came 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:20.600 together and were able to create a situation which I 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.960 think you and Michael through your partnership it bled down 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.280 right that everyone was included, you know, like in the storytelling, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.679 like Julian and Melissa, who were so young, could just 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:31.840 walk in and write that scrip. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.040 You can't believe it, right? And that was their memories 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.159 or do you not want to spend time talking about that? 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.920 No? No, their memories are great because what their memory? 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.240 They're so adorable and funny. And how old were they? 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.040 I mean I should have asked them because I didn't 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.640 ask them. In their twenties, yeah, carally young and they 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.720 had been go out in La meeting. They had a 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.080 pilot and their agent told them to go meet Darren 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:54.640 Start the next morning. They were like, no, sorry, we've 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.240 got a flight, and he was like, you're going to 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.639 change your flight and you might have to sleep on 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.159 so much floor, So they had to sleep on their 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.240 friend's floor. They were a little cats, do you know 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.159 what I mean? But they're also so adorably rounded in 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.119 themselves that they were No, and then Darren and then 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.400 they came to the writer's room and then Michael did 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:17.120 his magic, you know, like cultivating them and giving them 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.160 the confidence. But also they told me a funny story 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.280 that he would pop his head in their office door 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.600 and be like you're fired, just to keep everyone on 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:26.240 their toes. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.359 And they had the office at Silver Cup. I remember 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.240 their offices. I think they were upstairs above. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.840 Yes, Michael, Yes, above the floor where we would do 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:41.960 it most like the second mezzanine, weird floor. Then sometimes 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.560 you'd get off and you'd be like, wait where am I? 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:44.920 Yeah, they were straight up there. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.200 And they also talked a lot about Jenny and Cindy 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.040 and the kind of female bond and that they were 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.040 there first and they were kind of senior to them 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.280 and really helped them. And it's so beautiful to her 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.480 about it's incredible. And soon we'll have a maybe Harris 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.879 and we'll have listed chill getting to them. It's so 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.400 much fun to think back on and. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.680 Just Amy will be super interesting because she was there 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:08.680 really from the beginning. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.840 You know, I don't think i'll say this to herb 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.840 but I remember her carrying Darren suitcase. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.760 Oh yeah, she was his assistant. Yeah, like it's amazing, 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.800 it is amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's really And now she's 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.159 a showrunner and impressive. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.159 Yeah, sons. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.159 One of the things you know, you talk about, you 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:33.800 know a kind of when you talk about the work 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.480 being good, which is so nice to hear. I remember 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.840 the church, I remember obviously tech serve. I remember wrapping 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:51.520 the computer in a scarf for something. Yes, I think 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:52.680 it is Becky and Baker in. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.000 That episode the Sisters, the first time we see her. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.399 Yes, so you know, and I think we've discussed this before, 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.760 but it bears repeating. It's not as if it was, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.359 you know, completely free of any complexity, but it was 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.320 so happy. Like I think of being in that church 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.199 for countless hours, and all the background players that were 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:19.600 there all day long, and just the kind of working environment. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.240 It was funny and fun and the crew was always 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.080 laughing and working the hardest of everybody, you know. Yes, 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.280 and big equipment in those days, bigger, those big, big, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.919 huge lights, big cameras with film and real film, and 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.080 loading magazines of film and carding them from far away 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.520 to a shoot, you know, to a location that we 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:48.760 couldn't have the trucks nearby. And just the kind of collegiality, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.920 the kind of fraternity and sorority that surrounded it. I 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:56.080 think helped a huge amount because and it's not that 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.600 great work can't happen when people are unhappy and there's 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.639 lots of examples of that too, but I prefer the former, 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.720 of course, you know, so part of me isn't even 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.240 surprised that you're experiencing it that way because we liked 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:15.840 doing it, Yes, like we really loved the table reads. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.280 You know. If something didn't feel right, we tried to 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.480 talk about it and see if it could adjust it right, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.719 make it feel more right or more correct, and then 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.440 be told the reasons that we're wrong, you know, which 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.879 I tend to believe, you know. Yeah, but there was 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:39.239 a real kind of youthful energy. Yes. I don't mean 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.480 that spiritually even, I mean like sincerely from people from 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:46.399 all ages. Yeah, you know, useful energy from sixty year 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.400 olds to twenty year olds, you know, and that includes 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.280 cast crew and everybody in between. Yes, for sure. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.200 I mean there's so many things that I think of 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.600 when I'm watching it, and because I talk about it 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.600 and my phone algorithm shows me things. I saw this 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.520 at door picture and I was going to try to 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.959 print it out, but I forgot. You know, the white 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.600 dress when you break up with Big in front of 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:11.400