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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>She sat on the top step and I looked out

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<v Speaker 2>that window got my husband. By the time I got

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<v Speaker 2>my husband to look out the window, she was gone

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<v Speaker 2>and we looked out the front. We never did find

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<v Speaker 2>her sere again.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Karen Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Karen Smith, and I saw my Terce

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<v Speaker 2>richardson the last day that she was seen by anyone

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<v Speaker 2>that has come forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The Smith's house is at the bottom of Cold Canyon Road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the tennis courthouse in Montanito. Karen had been reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>to let me come over. Her husband, Bill, was the

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<v Speaker 1>TV reporter who'd called the cops about a prowler in

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<v Speaker 1>the yard and what turned out to be the last

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed sighting of my trees. He passed away a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, and she wasn't feeling her best.

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<v Speaker 2>I found cheese, bad hips, bad shoulder. I'm a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>She walked me around the side of the house to

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<v Speaker 1>the back and we sat down on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>white plastic chairs. The patio was strewn with dark feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably the vultures, the Turkey vultures that like to land

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<v Speaker 2>on my tennis court lights and leave me a gift

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<v Speaker 2>every time they take off. Well, that's very The tennis

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<v Speaker 2>court has all these white blotches right below the lights.

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<v Speaker 2>They liked to open their wings in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>dry them.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond the patio was a large dusty yard with a

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<v Speaker 1>sun bleached plastic play structure left over from her son's childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>There were some railroad ties serving as steps. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>Karen saw my trees around six thirty am on the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of her disappearance. And it was Karen, even though

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<v Speaker 1>her husband Bill, talking to the cops, described the scene

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<v Speaker 1>as if he'd been the one to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one that talked to the sheriffs. Mostly. I

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<v Speaker 2>was being quiet, and he was a news reporter for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years, so he took control of the discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe they just assumed because my son said the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, No, Dad saw her, and I go, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it was me. I'm the one that saw her. She

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting on the top step here or in the back,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was unusual because nobody really comes on the property,

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<v Speaker 2>even though we don't have any offenses in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But I looked down and I said, are

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<v Speaker 2>you all right? And she said, I'm just resting, And

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<v Speaker 2>I said okay, And then I left went to get

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<v Speaker 2>my husband, and by the time I got to the

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<v Speaker 2>other bathroom window, she was gone. And then I looked

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<v Speaker 2>out the front window of the dining room to see

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<v Speaker 2>if she went one way or the other there never

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<v Speaker 2>did see her.

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<v Speaker 1>At the edge of the yard, beyond some dried out

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<v Speaker 1>century plants, I noticed a trail. What does the backyard

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<v Speaker 1>open out to just into the neighborhood, just.

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<v Speaker 2>To another property, other properties, And people walk the horse

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<v Speaker 2>trail which is above and over and down and they

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<v Speaker 2>go to a cul de sac on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, what's that cul desac?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, it's Malibu Meadows Road, is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's over there. It's wide open too, just like

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<v Speaker 2>most of these properties.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. So there's a horse trail that leads from

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<v Speaker 1>there to here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's a horse trail. It comes up over and

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<v Speaker 2>it goes around and down into the street right above

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<v Speaker 2>the side of those trees.

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<v Speaker 1>Riders can come along the trail, cross Cold Canyon Road

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<v Speaker 1>and connect to the Backbone Trail, a sixty seven mile

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<v Speaker 1>long trail that runs all through the Santa Mona the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>The Backbone passes by the mouth of Dark Canyon, the

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<v Speaker 1>canyon where my Trees's remains were ultimately found. And she

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely alone when you spotted her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, she was all by herself and non threatening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I remember. That's it. Yeah, I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>had more information than I was so upset that I

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<v Speaker 2>just let her go like that, knowing what happened later

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, she unfortunately made her demise. I always

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<v Speaker 2>shook my head thinking, I wonder, I just don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, and I always wish I had done more,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the time there was nothing more to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her about that other story, the one the

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<v Speaker 1>Montanito lifer told in the video where he claimed My

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<v Speaker 1>Trees had been at the front door of the Smith's

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<v Speaker 1>house earlier in the morning, shouting. Karen said she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about that. She did say I could check

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<v Speaker 1>out the trail well. I followed it to where it started,

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<v Speaker 1>in a grove of mature oak trees in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of Montanito. I looked around. There was no sign to

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<v Speaker 1>mark the trail. In broad daylight, it was barely visible,

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<v Speaker 1>just a faint impression in the dust, mostly obscured by

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<v Speaker 1>fallen leaves. How had my Trees made her way here

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<v Speaker 1>all the way from Lost Hill Station in the dark?

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<v Speaker 1>And where had she gone? I'm Dana Goodyear and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Lost Hills episode four, Hopscotch. My Terse went missing

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<v Speaker 1>early on a Thursday morning. On Friday night, her mother

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<v Speaker 1>called my Terce's mentor, doctor Ronda Hampton.

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<v Speaker 3>I was driving home from work. I remember it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was yesterday, and her mom called and said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, has my Riese reached out to you? I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen her, So on my drive home, I'm telling

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<v Speaker 3>her no, you know, we were going to have lunch

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<v Speaker 3>on Monday, but I haven't talked to her since then.

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<v Speaker 3>And then mom proceeded to tell me how she had

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<v Speaker 3>been at the restaurant and acting, you know, strangely, and

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<v Speaker 3>that she had been arrested and released.

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<v Speaker 1>My Terce had been released approximately forty three hours earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one had heard from her, and besides the

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<v Speaker 1>sighting at the Smiths, there'd been no other reports of

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<v Speaker 1>anyone seeing her. Her girlfriend, Desiree Black finds this odd.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that it would be just kind of missing

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<v Speaker 4>the point if we didn't acknowledge the fact that she

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<v Speaker 4>was a young black, single female in Malibu, calabassies somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>where wasn't exactly made for us, somewhere where she should

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<v Speaker 4>have stuck out. Somebody should have seen her. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that is one of the pieces to the story

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<v Speaker 4>that's kind of still astonishing to me that nobody saw her,

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<v Speaker 4>because those just being facts, the fact that she was young, attractive,

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<v Speaker 4>black female alone alone. If someone saw her, they would

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<v Speaker 4>have remembered that. In Calabasas, she would have been hard

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<v Speaker 4>to miss, and that makes people a target.

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<v Speaker 1>Latisa had filed a missing persons report at Lost Hills

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<v Speaker 1>station the day she disappeared. Deputies took it as a

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<v Speaker 1>courtesy because my Terce being a resident of the city

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<v Speaker 1>of la it was really an LAPD case. When the

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<v Speaker 1>deputy at Lost Hills told Latis that someone matching my

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa's description had been seen in Montanito early Thursday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Latisa had driven out there, but no one else seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be looking for her daughter, and she felt that

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<v Speaker 1>crucial time was being lost.

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<v Speaker 3>And Mom called me because she said she did not

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<v Speaker 3>know what to do because they were not searching for

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<v Speaker 3>her and there was no plan search, and she asked

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<v Speaker 3>if I would contact the detective on the case to

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<v Speaker 3>plead for help.

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<v Speaker 1>The detective was Kristen Merrill with the LAPD Missing Persons Unit.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Hampton says detective Merrill told her LAPD Missing Persons

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have funds to mount a search. There would need

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<v Speaker 1>to be a compelling reason to search for my trees.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to the LAPD Missing Person's website, this

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<v Speaker 1>is all spelled out quote. Since being a missing person

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<v Speaker 1>is not a crime, police are given a very limited

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<v Speaker 1>role while conducting these types of investigations. As a general rule,

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<v Speaker 1>all people have a right to be left alone and

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<v Speaker 1>police intrusion into their lives must be minimal. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say that where foul play is suspected or

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<v Speaker 1>the person is otherwise endangered, the police will investigate.

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<v Speaker 3>So when it started looking like they weren't going to search,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, of course, my anxiety is rising, and you

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<v Speaker 3>just say whatever it is you can say to get

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<v Speaker 3>the help that you need.

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<v Speaker 1>She shared some background on my Teres's mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>the details about her behavior at Jeffrey's.

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<v Speaker 3>So then I just start quoting the law. If she

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<v Speaker 3>was at the restaurant, saying she was from Mars, if

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<v Speaker 3>she was saying she was there to avenge the death

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<v Speaker 3>of Michael Jackson. You know, the people, the patrons in

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<v Speaker 3>the restaurant were saying she was acting strange. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>why wasn't she fifty one to fifty. So after about

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<v Speaker 3>an hour and a half of talking to the detective,

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<v Speaker 3>they did agree to do a search. So they agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to do the search on Saturday, and at that they

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<v Speaker 3>weren't going to start that search until ten o'clock in

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<v Speaker 3>the morning, So that's a lot of time that went by.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't sleep, obviously, and I had never been to Malibu,

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<v Speaker 3>and so somewhere around five o'clock in the morning, I

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<v Speaker 3>called my girlfriend and asked her, could have you ever

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<v Speaker 3>been to Malibu? And can you come out with me?

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<v Speaker 3>She's another therapist who worked in my office, so we

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<v Speaker 3>both had clients that day, we shut the practice down

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<v Speaker 3>and drove out to Malibu.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next several days, doctor Hampton, along with members

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<v Speaker 1>of my Teresa's family and other supporters, kept returning to malibill.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really know where to go.

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<v Speaker 3>We were frantic passing out flyers, you know, at Pepperdine

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<v Speaker 3>on Pacific clas Highway in calabasas anywhere we can think of.

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<v Speaker 3>We stayed on Pacific Close Highway passing out flyers until

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<v Speaker 3>about midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembers taking flyers to the Ralph Supermarket on PCH.

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<v Speaker 3>And then on the side of that Ralph so there's

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<v Speaker 3>like a homeless encampment kind of like on this hill.

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<v Speaker 3>So we walked up there just to search, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe she ended up there or something, right, And so

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<v Speaker 3>as we're searching, we saw this group of homeless men

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<v Speaker 3>and we kind of just stopped and hey, we're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for this person. And then one of the men he

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<v Speaker 3>sits up and says, look, the police don't care about her.

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<v Speaker 3>The law enforcement doesn't care about her because she's un here,

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<v Speaker 3>and you guys just need to get over it. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was my first kind of in my face, like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh wait, this is a race component to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, doctor Hampton had reason to believe that the

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's department didn't care except maybe about itself.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we came home, you know, retired, turn on

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<v Speaker 3>the TV and Steve Whitmore, who was the spokesperson from

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<v Speaker 3>LASD is putting this twist on the story that was unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 3>where he was kind of indicating that my Ruse was

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<v Speaker 3>perfectly fine. Nothing was wrong with her. She's an adult.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted to leave, so we had to let her leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Hampton was shocked. This was not only untrue, she thought,

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<v Speaker 1>but entirely beside the point. They needed to find my

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<v Speaker 1>Trese now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>My Teresa's friends and family were passing out flyers on

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Coast Highway. Law enforcement was searching too.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm retired Sergeant tow we Right, and at the time

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<v Speaker 5>of this investigation, I was in charge of Malibu Search

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<v Speaker 5>and Rescue at Malibu Lost Hills Sheriff Station.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Sergeant Wright back when I was working on

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<v Speaker 1>the first season of Lost Hills. He's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who helped solve the murder of Tristan Boudett, the

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<v Speaker 1>scientist who was shot and killed in twenty eighteen while

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<v Speaker 1>camping with his young daughters in Malibu Creek State Park.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Wright tracked the killer, a drifter named Anthony Rauda,

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<v Speaker 1>to his encampment in the hills behind Lost Hills Station,

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<v Speaker 1>where he was ultimately arrested with the murder weapon. In

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of twenty twenty three, Rauda was found guilty

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<v Speaker 1>and sentenced to one hundred and nineteen years to life

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. He's appealing his conviction. Over his career, Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Wright searched for hundreds of lost and missing people in

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<v Speaker 1>the Santa Monica Mountains. The LAPD didn't know the area,

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<v Speaker 1>but Malibu sarch and Rescue did. On September nineteenth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, two days after my Trees disappeared, Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Wright conducted a search. He started at the Smith's house

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<v Speaker 1>where my Trees was last seen, rather than at Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Hill Station where she'd been released.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically what I call a hopscotch. We basically start a

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<v Speaker 5>search for missing persons at the last known location where

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<v Speaker 5>somebody's seen. To start it before that just consumes unnecessary time.

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<v Speaker 1>That day, Sergeant Wright was working with a certified man

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<v Speaker 1>tracker who found an important clue.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the one that found footprints going They were basically

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<v Speaker 5>in the side yard I would call that the southwest

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<v Speaker 5>side of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>The footprints were clearly directional. They found them entering the

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's property from the back by way of the trail

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<v Speaker 1>and exiting at the front, and they were identif fiable.

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<v Speaker 1>They had the waffle pattern unique to vans. They'd soon

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<v Speaker 1>learn my trese was wearing vans when she left Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Hill Station, and her shoe size matched the prints found

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<v Speaker 1>at the smith's. It wasn't much, but the tracks told

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<v Speaker 1>a story, or a fragment of one.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, when you're looking at footprints, an expert can tell

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<v Speaker 5>whether somebody's walking or running. It's usually pretty easy to

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<v Speaker 5>tell a running individual because the print goes down into

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<v Speaker 5>the ground different.

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<v Speaker 1>The tracker measured each footfall at first entering the backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>my trees had been walking. There was a consistent fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>inch gap between the toe of one print and the

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<v Speaker 1>heel of the next, but the prints leading from the

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<v Speaker 1>backyard to the front should pronounced toe digs, and the

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<v Speaker 1>stride was much longer twenty six inches between footfalls.

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<v Speaker 5>They indicated running motion to the front of the house

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<v Speaker 5>to the driveway area, so we assumed she was seen

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<v Speaker 5>in the backyard and that she ran alongside the house

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<v Speaker 5>out to the front, out of the driveway on to

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<v Speaker 5>Cole Canyon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Wright and the tracker found a few more footprints

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<v Speaker 1>in the dirt at the front of the house, but

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't tell which way my trees had gone. The

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<v Speaker 1>footprints stopped, but a team of dogs that was also

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<v Speaker 1>working that day picked up my trees as sent and

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<v Speaker 1>led their handlers to the neighboring house. That house, set

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<v Speaker 1>back from the road and surrounded by trees, belongs to

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<v Speaker 1>a family called the After Goods. Sergeant Wright obtained permission

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<v Speaker 1>to search it.

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<v Speaker 5>I made sure that we looked in the type of

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<v Speaker 5>places where somebody could be hiding or secreted, such as closets,

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<v Speaker 5>rooms under the stairs, things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if anyone in either house was ever considered

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect in my Teresa's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't use the term suspect at that point. We

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<v Speaker 5>were just looking at a missing person. At the time,

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<v Speaker 5>we were thinking, well, maybe Matries was wondering from house

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<v Speaker 5>to house.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the After Goods, my Teresa's scent went cold.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I don't recall if it petered out at that

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<v Speaker 5>house's door or if it went a little further, but

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<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure it petered out before we got to

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<v Speaker 5>what I would call the bridge over Dark Canyon Creek

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<v Speaker 5>on Co Canyon. I'm sure it didn't go past that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I've heard rumors of people saying things about

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<v Speaker 5>the scent all over the place. I am not aware

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<v Speaker 5>of any other scent that was worked or located during

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<v Speaker 5>the search.

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<v Speaker 1>He remembers checking the sand on the banks of Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Creek for signs that my rise had followed the creek

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<v Speaker 1>up into Dark Canyon.

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<v Speaker 5>And I got out of the vehicle and I looked

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<v Speaker 5>in that area. It was an area where the creek

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<v Speaker 5>flattened out, and it was there was quite a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of sand there, and I looked for footprints at that time,

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<v Speaker 5>and I did not see any footprints none whatsoever. So

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't have any reason to believe that she had

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<v Speaker 5>walked up there, at least from that direction, from that

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<v Speaker 5>entryway into Dark Canyan.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of the first search, my Teres had

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<v Speaker 1>only been missing for two days. Law enforcement was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman who might be lost or disoriented. They

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for a missing person. They weren't looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a victim. They weren't thinking about suspects. But three days later,

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<v Speaker 1>on September twenty, second LAPD Missing Persons handed the case

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<v Speaker 1>over to a pair of LAPD Robbery homicide detectives, Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Knowles and Steve Agucci, Sheriff's Department, which was assisting the

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<v Speaker 1>laped investigation also assigned a full time team of homicide detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of tips to investigate My Trees.

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<v Speaker 1>While being nowhere, was suddenly seemingly everywhere. She was at

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<v Speaker 1>the Ralphs in Malibu in a silver sports car. She

0:19:28.996 --> 0:19:33.076
<v Speaker 1>was in carmel Or, Santa Monica, Topanga, a Kinko's in

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<v Speaker 1>Culver City on a train, headed for the airport in

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<v Speaker 1>pink slippers, talking to herself. These were phantoms. None of

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<v Speaker 1>them turned out to be My trees. Back in Montanito, though,

0:19:45.876 --> 0:19:49.356
<v Speaker 1>neighbors were starting to get scared. They didn't think My

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<v Speaker 1>Trees had gone far. They'd started to believe that My

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<v Speaker 1>Trees was in and around Montanito well past the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of September seventeenth, hiding or being hidden, possibly for days

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<v Speaker 1>before she died. There's not much to Montanito, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few hundred homes clustered in the foothills of the Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Mountains under a canopy of oaks. People there claim

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<v Speaker 1>it was the winter camp of the Schumash Indians and

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<v Speaker 1>that it has mystical protection. Fires may rage all around,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, but Montanito never burns. There are no sidewalks

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<v Speaker 1>or street lamps. Intentionally, it's an official dark sky community,

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<v Speaker 1>a haven for nocturnal animals, a place where you can

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<v Speaker 1>see the stars. You get morning frost and Montanito in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon. The peaks block out the sun. The stark

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<v Speaker 1>nature is all there in the place names Cold Canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Creek, Dark Cainion. The residents are private and circumspect,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't love talking to law enforcement. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>been a place for alternative lifestyles, swingers, potheads, cowgirls and

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<v Speaker 1>pornographers alongside the doctors and lawyers and shobaz folks and

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<v Speaker 1>people who just want to raise their kids where they

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<v Speaker 1>can play barefoot in a creek. My Teresa's vanishing threatened

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<v Speaker 1>an essential myth about Montanito, a story about its safety,

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<v Speaker 1>its special bubble of protection. Now it seemed like a

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<v Speaker 1>place where bad things could happen. Or maybe bad things

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<v Speaker 1>had always happened there, and now people were noticing. In

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<v Speaker 1>the days after my Teresa's disappearance, there were a number

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<v Speaker 1>of disturbances reported in the neighborhood. Many of them involved

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<v Speaker 1>a woman seemingly in distress. One neighbor reported hearing a

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<v Speaker 1>woman babbling in an unfinished house across from the Smiths,

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<v Speaker 1>in an area known as the Triangle. There were multiple

0:22:18.076 --> 0:22:21.036
<v Speaker 1>reports of a woman's screaming near Dark Creek, where it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down from Dark Canyon into the neighborhood. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary about the case made by local filmmaker Chip Croft,

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<v Speaker 1>residents heard a woman's scream two times around eleven PM,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few days after my Trese disappeared. The second scream,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the witnesses said, was cut short. Some speculated

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the screamer's throat had been slit. Recently, Haley and

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<v Speaker 1>I met up with a woman named Emma Schultz who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Montanito back in two thousand and nine. She

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<v Speaker 1>remembers seeing police cars at the Smith's house on the

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<v Speaker 1>morning that my Terse went missing. She'd been driving her

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<v Speaker 1>kids to school. It was the deputies responding to Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's call about a prowler, the last official sighting of

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<v Speaker 1>my Trees.

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<v Speaker 6>I knew when she was last seen, so I knew

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<v Speaker 6>where she was.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembered seeing an unfamiliar white car parked near the

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's house on Cold Canyon Road right around the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the disappearance. She thought it could be significant.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe somebody picked her up, maybe she called somebody. Maybe

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<v Speaker 6>she did get to a phone and called somebody, and

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<v Speaker 6>somehow they ended up here and lost.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I was just thinking there could have been any story.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, in your head, you make up all these stories.

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<v Speaker 1>She called the phone number on a bulletin she'd seen

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<v Speaker 1>about my trees and talked to doctor Ronda Hampton.

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<v Speaker 6>I called, and I said, I know you were missing

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<v Speaker 6>my trees, and I don't know what the police have

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<v Speaker 6>told you, but I and this may mean nothing or

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<v Speaker 6>may mean something, but there was a white car that's

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<v Speaker 6>parked where my treece was last seen. And they said,

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<v Speaker 6>well where is that? And I said, well, what do

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<v Speaker 6>you mean? It was where the police interviewed the couple

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<v Speaker 6>that last saw her. And she said, I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>where that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocked, she figured everyone in my Teresa's inner circle would

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<v Speaker 1>have had the address of the last place she'd been seen.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I told Rohnda to come out. I'll walk

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<v Speaker 6>you to where she was last seen. You can understand

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<v Speaker 6>where you know that their daughter was last scene alive.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I told them, you know, feel free also

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<v Speaker 6>to walk around and put flyers out and shared with them,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what the community was about. I think they

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<v Speaker 6>were surprised how far it was and how woulded it was.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that was surprising to them, and how dark

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<v Speaker 6>it would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma agreed to drive us around Montonito too. We left

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot of the Saddle Peak Lodge, the only

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<v Speaker 1>public building in the community, and followed Cold Canyon Road

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<v Speaker 1>into a network of narrow streets.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, your brain kind of goes crazy when you

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<v Speaker 6>think someone just went missing right around the corner and

0:25:03.436 --> 0:25:06.476
<v Speaker 6>she was last seen like right there and never seen again.

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<v Speaker 6>And again, this is a small, very kind of closed,

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<v Speaker 6>tight community, and you don't you don't kind of drive

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<v Speaker 6>in here if you don't know somebody. You don't wander

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<v Speaker 6>your way in here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a real tight community.

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<v Speaker 6>You can see, and it has a little kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, little ling ding ming ming ming ming Ming.

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<v Speaker 5>Was that deliverance.

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<v Speaker 6>So here's the little creek in here. But you can

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<v Speaker 6>see it's very kind of You don't drive in here

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<v Speaker 6>unless you need to be in here, and everyone kind

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<v Speaker 6>of looks at you when you drive by your car.

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<v Speaker 6>Off you haven't been living here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a lot of people keeping a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of information instead of just sharing it and finding someone.

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<v Speaker 1>She turned up a street that dead ended into the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>We got out of the car and stooded a trailhead.

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<v Speaker 1>If you followed that trail, you'd hit the Backbone Trail.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the properties in this part of Montanito

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<v Speaker 1>basically border the wilderness. This was another place where there

0:26:19.276 --> 0:26:23.796
<v Speaker 1>was a possible, though unsubstantiated sighting of my trees. A

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<v Speaker 1>housekeeper had reported seeing a black woman near the Backbone Trail.

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<v Speaker 6>And as you can see here, you're surrounded by mountains,

0:26:32.396 --> 0:26:35.636
<v Speaker 6>but then there's this low area here and it's a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of hiking trails. It's a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 6>horses in this community.

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<v Speaker 1>The riders were very involved with the effort to find

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<v Speaker 1>my trees.

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<v Speaker 6>She said, I know the horse riders in the community

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<v Speaker 6>went out all the time looking for her.

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<v Speaker 7>That I do know.

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<v Speaker 6>That was very organized, and we did a lot of

0:26:57.196 --> 0:27:00.596
<v Speaker 6>trail walks and everyone was always there's a community board,

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<v Speaker 6>everyone talking about, you know, going out and looking for her.

0:27:04.676 --> 0:27:06.796
<v Speaker 6>I think the neighborhood was very supportive of trying to

0:27:06.796 --> 0:27:08.716
<v Speaker 6>help find my trees. I mean, the community was very

0:27:08.916 --> 0:27:11.476
<v Speaker 6>you else, they wanted her found it's scary, you know.

0:27:11.636 --> 0:27:14.196
<v Speaker 6>I think that's something you always I'll think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Ronda Hampton began to make herself a presence in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's like, we're going to do this big

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<v Speaker 3>search in Montanito. And at the time, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of black folks, you know, kind of going

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<v Speaker 3>in there.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, they couldn't just show up and search. They

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<v Speaker 1>needed Emma to help fanesse it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've always been thankful that she did that because

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first because there was mention of her race.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that you know, black people don't live out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Black people don't come out here, and no one straight

0:27:47.236 --> 0:27:49.156
<v Speaker 3>out said don't come here, but you were very clear

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<v Speaker 3>that it was not a place that black people were

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>She found Montanito to be a peculiar place.

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<v Speaker 3>Any information that we would get from people was very

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<v Speaker 3>like everybody was afraid to talk, so lots of information

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<v Speaker 3>was just kind of given.

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<v Speaker 7>Like on the sly, did you have the feeling when

0:28:09.396 --> 0:28:13.076
<v Speaker 7>you were dealing with people in Montanito like they wanted

0:28:13.076 --> 0:28:15.396
<v Speaker 7>to tell you something but they couldn't tell you something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, definitely, it was a general feeling right and even

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<v Speaker 3>rather or not it was about my trees or not,

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<v Speaker 3>like something was going on in that area and people

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't want to talk. Part of it is, and

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<v Speaker 3>I heard from one person they're just afraid of law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>So and I don't know if that's still true, but

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<v Speaker 3>back then they were afraid of law enforcement because what

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<v Speaker 3>it was explained to me is like we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of nowhere. They are the only source of protection

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<v Speaker 3>that we have. This story by this time had broke

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<v Speaker 3>on the news and law enforcement did not look good.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not really in a position to talk because these

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<v Speaker 3>are the people that they have to rely on to

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<v Speaker 3>protect them and because you know, it's such in the middle,

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<v Speaker 3>it is so secluded.

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<v Speaker 1>She passed out flyers showing my Teresa's booking photo and

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<v Speaker 1>a close up of the tattoo of Chinese characters at

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<v Speaker 1>the nape of her neck. Hikers, trail bikers, horseback riders

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<v Speaker 1>and helpers want to The flyer said, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>searching the trails, hills and back roads in the Montanito

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<v Speaker 1>region where she was last seen.

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<v Speaker 3>I was never really guided and I still am not

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<v Speaker 3>guided by my intuition on things, so even if I

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<v Speaker 3>say this is what I think, I'm always considering every possibility.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't mind doing searches wherever. We need to

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<v Speaker 3>do those searches. So if there was a tip, then

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<v Speaker 3>let's organize a party to go search. To me, if

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<v Speaker 3>there was like a half a percent that she's still alive,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna search everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Her brain became a repository for names, addresses, clues, and theories. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>she uploaded a lot of that information to the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>a public data dump that anyone interested in the case

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<v Speaker 1>can use. But while my treuse was missing, doctor Hampton

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<v Speaker 1>became invested in a rumor. She heard about my trees

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<v Speaker 1>being held hostage somewhere in the Santa Monica Mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>So guy says, you know, there's some white supremacists. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the word that they use. There's some white supremacist and

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<v Speaker 3>word on the suite is that they're holding her somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>in the canyon area.

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<v Speaker 1>According to law enforcement documents, Malibu Search and Rescue conducted

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<v Speaker 1>numerous searches quote in response to a claim that Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson was being held by white supremacists in Malibu Quo.

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<v Speaker 1>During that time period. Some of the volunteers working with

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Hampton found what appeared to be corroborating evidence. They

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<v Speaker 1>were searching off Payuma Road, the winding road that takes

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<v Speaker 1>you high up into the mountains over Montanito. They came

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<v Speaker 1>across a culvert. It was freshly tagged with a large

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<v Speaker 1>graffiti style mural. If the footprints in the smith's yard

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<v Speaker 1>had been just the fragment of a story, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a full scale narrative and it seemed like a confession

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<v Speaker 1>to a crime. Next time on Lost Hills.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirteen African American women with afros who were nude and

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<v Speaker 3>in very graphic, sexually provocative positions. One of the images

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<v Speaker 3>was of a woman who was painted blue, kneeling on

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<v Speaker 3>all fours on our bodox area. She had a symbol

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<v Speaker 3>the letters LA, and she had a marijuana joint out

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<v Speaker 3>of her mouth. That's what makes us think that it's

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<v Speaker 3>possibly that the person is trying to talk about my

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<v Speaker 3>trees in terms of the fact that she was in LA.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next in episode five.

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<v Speaker 4>So Close.

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Hills is written and hosted by Me Dana Goodyear.

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