Speaker 1: W w E.
Speaker 2: World, Please welcome to the stage. The hosts of Nightcap.
Speaker 1: Three times Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Champ and NFL Hall of Famer Shennan Shark and Bengals
Speaker 2: rend the Fame hontery, Chad O Cho Singo Johnson.
Speaker 3: What's up w w E? He gonna sit there? No,
Speaker 3: you see here, you sit that he gonna sit in
Speaker 3: the middle.
Speaker 4: How y'all doing, y'all good?
Speaker 5: That's what's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: This is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: This is my first time being here, O, Joe and
Speaker 3: Uh as a wrestling fan my entire life. If somebody
Speaker 3: would have told me this is what wrestling was coming,
Speaker 3: was going to become, I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker 6: No, this is dope. Atmosphere has been awesome. The fans
Speaker 6: have been awesome. Being able to meet some of the rasters.
Speaker 5: That's what's the best part about this.
Speaker 6: And here hearing their journey and how they got here
Speaker 6: to what most cans were considered the finished product on
Speaker 6: why we're all fans of them has been really dope
Speaker 6: to experience.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. It's an unbelievable experience. I mean, they do
Speaker 3: an unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Job of the.
Speaker 3: Seven time World Champion, the WWE twenty seven Mania appearances,
Speaker 3: He's twenty five and two, he has twenty one straight
Speaker 3: WrestleMania victories.
Speaker 5: Harry is Undertaker, but we know him as Taker.
Speaker 1: What's upup?
Speaker 5: Man? Taker?
Speaker 3: You were in your your hold on twenty five and two,
Speaker 3: So you've been to twenty seven of these things, twenty
Speaker 3: one straight victories from the very first one till now.
Speaker 3: What is the biggest difference that you think in WrestleMania
Speaker 3: when you started as opposed to what it bills now?
Speaker 1: Man? Just the uh, just the spectacle. I mean, look
Speaker 1: out here. You look at all of these people.
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable. Man, it's electric.
Speaker 1: This this when I when I started at WrestleMania's seven,
Speaker 1: this did not this did not happen. This access, the
Speaker 1: the ability to come and and and meet superstars, take pictures.
Speaker 1: It was at a much more limited scale. Right, Just
Speaker 1: this part alone is just it blows me away. Every
Speaker 1: year when I come and do an autograph signing or
Speaker 1: pictures signing, it's incredible.
Speaker 5: It seems like it's getting bigger and bigger.
Speaker 3: And I think the thing is that I love most
Speaker 3: about what WWE has done is that it allowed the
Speaker 3: fans to have access. It gives you an opportunity to
Speaker 3: show your personality just outside of the ring, and it
Speaker 3: get an opportunity to meet you guys, because I don't
Speaker 3: know how much meet and greet you guys had when
Speaker 3: you first started this.
Speaker 1: Not very many. You know. We we got here and
Speaker 1: just kind of focused on well, most guys focused on
Speaker 1: on their magic match early on. You know, I focused
Speaker 1: on a lot of things. They didn't necessarily have the
Speaker 1: fans involved. But as we again, as we grew, man
Speaker 1: this became this is almost as important as Rustleania. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean this is this is an incredible
Speaker 1: opportunity for people to get really close to, you know,
Speaker 1: the people that they support.
Speaker 5: Help me understand this.
Speaker 3: You come, you create a character, you in the WWE
Speaker 3: creator character, How did they help you develop that character?
Speaker 3: How did you embrace that characters that Okay, I'm the Undertaker.
Speaker 3: This is what I need because when you think of Undertaker,
Speaker 3: you think all black, you think of a mortician, and you.
Speaker 5: Think of something cold and sinister.
Speaker 3: How did they help you to develop that character and
Speaker 3: how did you embrace it so well?
Speaker 1: I think it varies between talent and talent okay. For
Speaker 1: for me, I was presented, I was presented a look
Speaker 1: in the name. Okay, see this, this is what we
Speaker 1: think is. You know, they needed somebody big with zero personality,
Speaker 1: and there I walked through the door.
Speaker 5: But for me, once once I was.
Speaker 1: Given the the initial image and then told me, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: this is going to be based off of an old
Speaker 1: Western undertaker, and then the license kind of kind of
Speaker 1: started going off for me, So there isn't a real
Speaker 1: set pattern like some like. For me, I took the
Speaker 1: ball and started ran with it and started running with
Speaker 1: it and figuring this thing out. Uh there. You know,
Speaker 1: some guys come in and they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so they need a little bit more help and direction,
Speaker 1: and you know you have other guys that have already
Speaker 1: been here that kind of there's a it's amazing the
Speaker 1: amount of input that you get from from other wrestlers
Speaker 1: right that you know they're they're driving up and down
Speaker 1: the roads back then and say, I'll give you I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example. You know, I heard there was
Speaker 1: a time there where I carried people after I beat them,
Speaker 1: I put them in body bags right right, And everybody
Speaker 1: think that's just some sinister shit right, and of all
Speaker 1: people to give me that idea was the nicest guy
Speaker 1: in the world, which was really key Steamboat the Dragon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came up and he says, he goes, hey, you
Speaker 1: ever thought about this? And I was like, that's that's genius.
Speaker 1: So you know, uh, some guys they need help and
Speaker 1: and and that development. And then other guys just take
Speaker 1: that ball and you know, they just kind of go
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole and figure out, Okay, how am
Speaker 1: I going to make this my own? And that's the
Speaker 1: key to being success successful. You can you can have
Speaker 1: the greatest idea, the greatest look, but if you don't
Speaker 1: make it your own, these people are here, they're not
Speaker 1: going to buy it, right, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: invest in it.
Speaker 5: So you know, that's the key.
Speaker 6: When you when you look at when you look at
Speaker 6: the state of Wrastlings as great as it is now
Speaker 6: as as a product in general internationally globally, has your
Speaker 6: perspective change from a business aspect now that you're on
Speaker 6: the creative side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you you you always want to have your
Speaker 1: your your thumb on on what it is that's that's
Speaker 1: reaching your you know, and that becomes it becomes difficult.
Speaker 1: Like when you do get behind the scenes, you have
Speaker 1: to remember that you're not necessarily you know, you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily creating for yourself anymore, correct, So you're you're creating
Speaker 1: for the masses. So you have to not only be
Speaker 1: able to take Okay, well this is what I like. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that might be great, but that's only going to
Speaker 1: affect like twenty percent of.
Speaker 5: These people, right.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to get your fingers out
Speaker 1: there and make it a net and get that get
Speaker 1: everybody what everybody wants to enjoy. So it's a pretty
Speaker 1: difficult process to do.
Speaker 3: Three or six foot under podcast that platform. How has
Speaker 3: that allowed you to engage with your fan base on
Speaker 3: a different level than say, you know, you go and
Speaker 3: you know doing something like this, because they get an
Speaker 3: opportunity to see you in a totally different light than
Speaker 3: what they've ever seen you before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's taken me a while to embrace that
Speaker 1: because I was for so long, uh you know, I
Speaker 1: protected my character, right, there was nothing there was Undertaker,
Speaker 1: and there was nothing else.
Speaker 5: That's all that anybody ever.
Speaker 1: Got to see. And I think that that contributed to
Speaker 1: the success of it. But I think with the with
Speaker 1: with with the with the podcast and getting out there
Speaker 1: and hearing some of the stories that I've you know
Speaker 1: that I've that I've had with some of the guys,
Speaker 1: and if truth be told, I don't I don't like
Speaker 1: talking about wrestling.
Speaker 5: You like talking for what are you fishing? Hunting?
Speaker 1: What do you want to know?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 1: That's good, okay, But as far as like with the podcast,
Speaker 1: Like the best podcast episodes are when I got with
Speaker 1: my boys and we're talking about what we did after wrestling, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's what everybody wants to You can go on
Speaker 1: YouTube and watch all the wrestling matches you want, But
Speaker 1: what happened with me and the Godfather in a bar
Speaker 1: down the street? You know, That's that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I think kind of peaks this. These people's you know,
Speaker 1: they're their interests. Now they can they get plenty of wrestling.
Speaker 1: They want to, they want the juice.
Speaker 3: As a older wrestler that doesn't do it anymore. You
Speaker 3: adopted that you're helping and bringing along this generation of wrestlers.
Speaker 5: Uh oho.
Speaker 3: And now we played football and a lot of times
Speaker 3: we try to give back, We try to mentor the
Speaker 3: younger guys and try to tell them what to expect,
Speaker 3: how to go about their business. Be professional, be yourself,
Speaker 3: but be professional. Just remember one thing. The football team
Speaker 3: is a team. It's not always gonna be about you.
Speaker 3: What is for the best interest of the football team
Speaker 3: and how can we all win, not just you?
Speaker 5: Is that something some things that you try to share
Speaker 5: with these generations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, because as a talent, if you're fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to get on that wheel and then have that run right, Yes,
Speaker 1: And when I say run, something that's going on with
Speaker 1: with like Roman Reigns right now, he's on an incredible run. Yes,
Speaker 1: Cody Rose, all these guys are on a run. But
Speaker 1: it's not it's not necessarily always gonna be like that.
Speaker 1: If you're always always use it as now the wheel right,
Speaker 1: so you're here, that wheel's moving right. So there's a
Speaker 1: good chance, not necessarily all the time, but there's a
Speaker 1: good chance that it's gonna end up down here, right,
Speaker 1: And you have to be able to One you have
Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, what do I need to do
Speaker 1: to get back up there? And two, while I'm on
Speaker 1: my way, how can I help the product? How can
Speaker 1: I help the product? Because if the product gets better,
Speaker 1: that's gonna give everybody more opportunities.
Speaker 5: So you just you gotta, you gotta roll with it.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 5: You can never be content in this business.
Speaker 1: As soon as you're content, you're done, because there's always
Speaker 1: somebody coming along that's younger, faster, stronger, and more hungry.
Speaker 1: But as as as veterans, you have to you said,
Speaker 1: all right, okay.
Speaker 3: It's my time now, I'm gonna embrace it, but knowing
Speaker 3: that it might be someone else's time later, let me
Speaker 3: help them. And then when my time come back again,
Speaker 3: I'll be ready to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's the hard part is when that
Speaker 1: climb up, man, that climb up is awesome, yeah, because
Speaker 1: you feel it right, you know it, and then you
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And for you guys like you get that ring right.
Speaker 5: You're trying to stay there as long as you pop.
Speaker 1: Me, you scratch your flaw and you hang on to it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's important for the veterans to help those guys.
Speaker 6: And you know, being a veteran helping some of the
Speaker 6: young fighters now that are up and coming, you know,
Speaker 6: giving them the knowledge on what it takes to be great,
Speaker 6: what it takes to be consistent, having that structure, having
Speaker 6: that discipline. Everyone here is a fan of rassling. Everyone
Speaker 6: here has a pacific raster that they like and enjoy
Speaker 6: watching today.
Speaker 4: So for you, in today's.
Speaker 6: Rastling landscape, who is your favorite raster to watch?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I tell you, because because he's such an
Speaker 1: old school guy, I probably won't won't be received real well,
Speaker 1: but I love Gunther Okay, okay, I do. Absolutely. There's
Speaker 1: there's there's no flash.
Speaker 5: There's no flash.
Speaker 1: What you get is somebody going to there and he's
Speaker 1: gonna stomp your guts out. He's gonna chop you up,
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat you up, and you know, he flying
Speaker 1: around doing a bunch of silly stuff. He's in there
Speaker 1: and you I mean, he's just a serious character, and
Speaker 1: he's a throwback. He's a throwback to a different generation
Speaker 1: and it and it just lets you know that you know, old,
Speaker 1: what what is old can be new again.
Speaker 3: Is there anybody that in today's wrestling reminds you of Takr?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, uh no, not really. I mean, you know there
Speaker 1: was unfore, you know, there was Bray Bray Wyatt was
Speaker 1: coming along before he you know, before his unfortunate you know,
Speaker 1: demise of it, but it uh, you know, he he
Speaker 1: had that that aura, that that kind of other worldly
Speaker 1: type character, and I you know, it's obviously it's a
Speaker 1: shame what happened with with Bray because I think he
Speaker 1: had only begin to scratch the surface of how great
Speaker 1: he was going to be.
Speaker 5: You've taken it behind the scenes role.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken with Triple A, which is, if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, w w E purchased it. So so
Speaker 3: what what is your role entails which would Triple A?
Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't really I don't talk about it
Speaker 1: a whole lot, but I'm down there in a in
Speaker 1: a creative role, got an incredible team down there, and
Speaker 1: we are trying. Uh you know, Lucha libre is a
Speaker 1: is a wrestling style all to itself. Yes, and kind
Speaker 1: of going back to my last comment about old school
Speaker 1: and yes, like like like Gunther, it's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: that somebody like me is in it's doing creative for
Speaker 1: a Louta libre product, right, because those guys are incredible.
Speaker 1: They I mean, they will fly and do things like
Speaker 1: you just like, how in the world do they do that?
Speaker 5: But you know, we're just what we're.
Speaker 1: Trying to do down there and be involved is.
Speaker 5: To tell better stories, yes, be a little more.
Speaker 1: Physical and be true to to lout your libre and
Speaker 1: that's that's uh. And give them some a better production value.
Speaker 1: They've been doing things for a long time down there
Speaker 1: in a very simplistic way. So now we have that
Speaker 1: ww production machine that we're implementing. You know, we we
Speaker 1: We've got a long way to go, but I'm I
Speaker 1: couldn't be more happy with I couldn't be more happy
Speaker 1: with the success that we've had so far. We're again,
Speaker 1: we're just I tell people this all the time. What
Speaker 1: we're trying to do there is I'm trying to take
Speaker 1: a step back, like a little bit of a step
Speaker 1: back in wrestling, to take a step forward and a
Speaker 1: little bit of old school mixed with the new school.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we're going to have a very unique and interesting
Speaker 1: product that not only people in Mexico want to see,
Speaker 1: but all over the world.
Speaker 5: Assess it was.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me because when I grew up, I
Speaker 3: didn't know anything about storylines. I just thought two guys
Speaker 3: getting the ring and beat hell out of each other.
Speaker 3: But there are storylines? Does it? How long is a storyline.
Speaker 3: Is it just for that match or two matches or
Speaker 3: are they trying to build something for say a month,
Speaker 3: two month, three months?
Speaker 5: How did this work? It's up to them. Oh, it's
Speaker 5: like you can. You can.
Speaker 1: You can have this brilliant idea in your mind and like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I want to see I want to see wrestler A
Speaker 1: fight wrestler B. And you think this is going to
Speaker 1: be the greatest thing ever. And then you kind of
Speaker 1: start looking at when like, I would love to get
Speaker 1: this match all the way to WrestleMania. But then you
Speaker 1: you put it out there and sometimes it ain't as good.
Speaker 1: It's just like a it's just like a play call right,
Speaker 1: walk practice It works right, yes, but it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like but again, if your audience doesn't resonate or they
Speaker 1: don't get with it, then you know it's uh, I
Speaker 1: call it pissing up a rope. You ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: nothing but your hands wet.
Speaker 5: That's you know what.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 6: And obviously it's all about the fans obviously knowing and
Speaker 6: understanding what they want, always being two steps ahead, especially
Speaker 6: when it comes to creativity and storyline. When it comes
Speaker 6: to those that wrestle. It comes to those that have
Speaker 6: creative control on what the storylines are gonna be. Do
Speaker 6: you pay attention to what the fans say and what
Speaker 6: they want?
Speaker 5: Well, you you do.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot. There's there's a lot that goes
Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, because obviously they're not in the know
Speaker 1: of what the big the big picture is. And sometimes
Speaker 1: people get impatient and don't want to they don't want
Speaker 1: to wait right and and and that's part of the
Speaker 1: storytelling aspect. But you have to be able to have
Speaker 1: these beats in the story that keep them like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to captivate it. I want to see like
Speaker 1: every you know, back in the day and and you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the in the Monday night war like
Speaker 1: everybody was like we would go off with a cliffhanger
Speaker 1: and everybody like and we didn't have so we didn't
Speaker 1: have as much cover. You know, you couldn't just go
Speaker 1: to YouTube or whatever it up. You had to wait.
Speaker 1: You had to wait till the next Monday Night to
Speaker 1: see what was going to happen. So you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So so to answer your question, I mean you had
Speaker 1: to have you have to have good creative and it
Speaker 1: has to it has to resonate to a certain extent
Speaker 1: with your audience and you have to listen. But you
Speaker 1: can't let it dictate either, right, That's I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of a problem if you if if it solely
Speaker 1: dictates on that, then you you get you lose focus
Speaker 1: of what it is you're.
Speaker 5: Trying to do.
Speaker 3: Agents now revealed and uh recently that you gave him
Speaker 3: the gloves in your final match, the boneyard match during
Speaker 3: the pandemic.
Speaker 5: How did that come about?
Speaker 3: Because I guess in wrestling, like when you're done with it,
Speaker 3: you leave your boots in the sun of the ring,
Speaker 3: and so you knew this was this, This was it
Speaker 3: for Taker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no coming back from the boneyard. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: lose draw that that was That was definitely it for me.
Speaker 1: I got everything out of the sponge that I could
Speaker 1: possibly get. I wrung it up. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: always my WrestleMania opponents. I've just always you know, when
Speaker 1: the street came into play, and then just my part
Speaker 1: as WrestleMania, I always wanted to leave my my opponents
Speaker 1: was something that they were gonna remember that with. So
Speaker 1: at the conclusion, of the boneyard. People say, I'm crazy
Speaker 1: for it, but I took my the I gave the
Speaker 1: gloves that I wore in that match to to AJ
Speaker 1: styles and and he has them. He has AJ has
Speaker 1: the last pair of gloves that I ever that I
Speaker 1: ever used. So yeah, and and it and it means
Speaker 1: the world to him, and it was cool, and he said,
Speaker 1: and he gave me his. So I have his gloves
Speaker 1: that he you know, he fought in and he's got mine.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of a cool deal.
Speaker 1: I can look up on the shelf and like, you
Speaker 1: know what we tore We tore it up that night.
Speaker 3: So you knew going into that match plus twenty plus,
Speaker 3: two decades plus, you know, Yeah, this is it for me.
Speaker 3: This is the ride stops here, whether whether they wanted
Speaker 3: to stop or not. I'm getting off this ride. Yeah,
Speaker 3: your body beat up, Oh my gosh, Yeah, my body
Speaker 3: was beat up ten years prior.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it actually the the at that night in
Speaker 1: the boneyard, like I was, I was looking for one
Speaker 1: particular match that I could hang my hat on and
Speaker 1: walk away, like I could put my six shooters up
Speaker 1: and and and go home and stay. And it just happened.
Speaker 1: You know that that match was was filmed all it was.
Speaker 1: It started at about eight o'clock at night, and we
Speaker 1: finished that match at sometime at like five in the morning.
Speaker 1: And it was at about three in the morning when
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I was standing there and I was like this.
Speaker 1: I had a moment and I was like, I'm done right,
Speaker 1: Like there is no this is it. And it was
Speaker 1: a moment of clarity. And it wasn't any sorrow. There
Speaker 1: wasn't any like, man, I should I wish I'd got
Speaker 1: to do this. It was as clear as day. I
Speaker 1: knew that I'd got everything. The desire was still there, right,
Speaker 1: but I knew my body could not It just couldn't deliver.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to live on equity that I'd
Speaker 1: built through the next you know, the last thirty years.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a very gracious audience, but there's
Speaker 1: at a point you got to decide, like my legacy
Speaker 1: becomes involved in this and and I was already skirting that,
Speaker 1: you know, I.
Speaker 5: Was They deserve the best taker.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I would hate it always. It always would kill
Speaker 1: me to know, like a father like and I had
Speaker 1: a lot of them today in my in my in
Speaker 1: my signing today and my photos with their with their kids,
Speaker 1: and they had watched me as a kid and they
Speaker 1: hype me up, like to their kids, like, man, we're
Speaker 1: going to see the Undertaker. He is so awesome, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get there and you're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: he ain't quite what I remember, right. But so just
Speaker 1: just the thought of that it bothered me, and I
Speaker 1: just did. I didn't want to. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: end up in that. I didn't want to be a
Speaker 1: character or you know, of my former self. So I
Speaker 1: knew it was time. And you know, I got back.
Speaker 1: I got no regrets, and I got no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no regrets, no worries, And it was a moment of
Speaker 1: clarity and uh, I got I got to leave with
Speaker 1: the match that I wanted.
Speaker 4: Have you found something else to feel that?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 6: Think about as long as you've been wrestling, that's something
Speaker 6: that you, uh, that's you. You get up, You forced
Speaker 6: to want to work. It gives you inspiration, it gives
Speaker 6: you motivation. Like un uncle and I, football was all
Speaker 6: we had. That was my identity, It's all I knew.
Speaker 6: So every single day that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 6: And I loved it. What has filled that void now
Speaker 6: that you stop rasting that you can't wait to get
Speaker 6: up for it and you're excited for once again.
Speaker 5: I don't know that I have like just one thing.
Speaker 1: When you're focused, like when you to play in the NFL,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to. People just don't understand
Speaker 1: the amount that goes into that, Like they say, oh, well, man,
Speaker 1: you know there's o Jo Sinko on the sideline with
Speaker 1: this Hall of Fame jacket on, you know, cutting up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't just do that by by chance.
Speaker 5: You have to be great, yes, to be able to
Speaker 5: do those things.
Speaker 1: But what people don't see are you in June in
Speaker 1: July with your you know, where your boys going and
Speaker 1: working out in the in the heat, and all the
Speaker 1: effort and the work that goes into all that.
Speaker 5: So you know it.
Speaker 1: Is it does become your identity and everything, everything that
Speaker 1: you do is revolved around not only being on a team,
Speaker 1: but starting being great, winning super Bowls and the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing for my whole identity was involved
Speaker 1: was just being the undertaker. And I don't know that
Speaker 1: I you know, hindsight, being twenty two, I didn't I
Speaker 1: don't know that I built an exit strategy. I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to do it forever. Yes, like you
Speaker 1: know you're not, but just in your head you don't
Speaker 1: think about it. I said I'm gonna I'll do this forever,
Speaker 1: and then forever got here one day. So it took
Speaker 1: me a minute to to like, Okay, well now what
Speaker 1: you know? And I love like I mean, I love hunting,
Speaker 1: fishing and doing all that. But you know, you guys
Speaker 1: do a great job. I like podcasting. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it's it.
Speaker 5: I have my moments. It's a lot of work. It
Speaker 5: is a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, and you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know that i'll ever I don't know that i'll ever
Speaker 1: have and love that that thing that gets me going.
Speaker 3: The podcast for wrestling, you said something very interesting in that.
Speaker 3: Do you know people see us play the game, or
Speaker 3: play basketball, play baseball, everybody sees the destination. Nobody saw
Speaker 3: the journey. So that's that's the that's the hard part.
Speaker 3: The destination is is okay, yeah I'm here. How did
Speaker 3: how did he or she get there? That's the That's
Speaker 3: the very interesting part I heard you say on the
Speaker 3: podcast is that you. Uh, and maybe I'm paraphrasing, maybe
Speaker 3: I've misheard you, but you said, man, I wish we
Speaker 3: wouldn't tell all the secrets of how the sausage is made.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it too. I believe you know. Every
Speaker 1: everything is over, everything's talked about openly now, and I'm
Speaker 1: again I'm as guilty as anybody about it. But I
Speaker 1: think as a whole, for the sake of the for
Speaker 1: the business, there needs to be a look, there needs
Speaker 1: to be a stopping point, a little secrecy.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think you were like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just I could be wrong there. And and you know,
Speaker 1: in my day, obviously I came in the generation where
Speaker 1: you don't talk about the business outside of you just
Speaker 1: don't do it. People into business, yeah exactly, so obviously
Speaker 1: you know we're not. I just think they don't our audience,
Speaker 1: even though they think they might want to know.
Speaker 5: I think if there was a certain.
Speaker 1: Amount of secrecy being able to have that, I think
Speaker 1: it would be I think the product would be more fun. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: because if you already know what's going to happen, or
Speaker 1: if this is going to happen, then it's like Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wait for that part to happen, right,
Speaker 1: Like that was a great thing about Monday Nights. Again
Speaker 1: in the Attitude era, you had no clue what was
Speaker 1: going to happen, and you just again you had to
Speaker 1: you had to wait. I think there's just a there
Speaker 1: needs to be a little bit more protection of the business.
Speaker 1: And I only use that word because I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just the words we've always used.
Speaker 5: Who revealed that secret?
Speaker 3: Because for the longest time, my grandfather would put you
Speaker 3: out if you told him wrestling was fake, He'd put
Speaker 3: you out of the house. You could not tell him
Speaker 3: what And I thought it was real too for the
Speaker 3: longest time. Who was the first person that appeal the
Speaker 3: layer back is like X Y and.
Speaker 1: Z Well, I don't I don't know that there was
Speaker 1: just one person that you know, there was There was
Speaker 1: the time period where where where Vince went and and
Speaker 1: and he had to we were having to fight athletic
Speaker 1: commissions and pay an exorbitant amount of money to these
Speaker 1: athletic commissions for what right, So I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: like everybody knows what wrestling is, but I don't think
Speaker 1: you want it thrown in your face, right and and it.
Speaker 5: And it's okay. Everybody say, oh, wrestling is fake.
Speaker 1: Wrestling is not fake. It is a form of sports entertainment,
Speaker 1: and it's a specific form of sports entertainment. What we
Speaker 1: do is genuinely real for what it is that we do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if I'm breaking bones, tearing my a cl
Speaker 3: and achilles, that's real.
Speaker 1: Yes, But I got I got twenty surgeries that say
Speaker 1: it's his damn as real as it needs to be.
Speaker 3: I remember the person I don't know if you remember
Speaker 3: this taking oho, you remember what I think it was.
Speaker 3: Fox had a series where they had this guy that
Speaker 3: was revealing all the magic tricks, and so you remember that,
Speaker 3: and it was like, if we knew, come on, But
Speaker 3: I'm just like I don't even want to know. I
Speaker 3: just after the first out, like I don't want to
Speaker 3: watch anymore because I still want to have the illusion
Speaker 3: exactly that he's doing something that nobody else can do.
Speaker 1: That is a perfect analogy, and it's the same the
Speaker 1: same thing with with with wrestling. I just I think
Speaker 1: it's just better if you know.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to I don't want to
Speaker 1: know how the trick's done. I just don't. I want
Speaker 1: to be entertained. I want to think about how it's done, right.
Speaker 1: I just that's it. Just to me. It suspends everyone's
Speaker 1: sense of reality. And that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 1: brilliant analogy. It's really good.
Speaker 5: Is there a lot of father sons?
Speaker 3: Because we see in basketball father sons, we see football
Speaker 3: father sons, baseball father sons. Are there a lot of
Speaker 3: father sons in in in wrestling? Yes, there there is
Speaker 3: no Cody, I just no Cody.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, there there there's there's plenty. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I've wrestled dads and now I've wrestled their sons.
Speaker 5: I've been around.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, but yo, there's there's man, there's tons
Speaker 1: and there's more coming, right. I'm sure that seth and
Speaker 1: and Becky's kids will probably wrestle. Yeah, you got all
Speaker 1: the damn Samoans. You know they're sot. I have a
Speaker 1: daughter that's ate up with it.
Speaker 5: She yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's I think, yes, nepotism and in
Speaker 1: the wrestling world is gonna be uh Charlotte, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, yeah exactly. So, Yeah, it's a there's
Speaker 1: a long lineage of second generation, third general Randy Orton
Speaker 1: third generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Cody Rolls. I think he said dom Stereo.
Speaker 3: He thinks he's gonna be the next generational talent. He
Speaker 3: says his work ethic is unmatched. And we were talking
Speaker 3: to a lot We've talked to uh Naya and Lash
Speaker 3: and talking and even Charlotte said, you know, there are
Speaker 3: a lot of people just because you have the talent.
Speaker 3: You know, you're athletic, you can spend, you can jump
Speaker 3: and do all these things, that doesn't necessarily equate to
Speaker 3: you being a great wrestler.
Speaker 5: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now there's a lot of great athletes that try
Speaker 1: this and just scratch their head and are fuddled, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a world class athlete. Why can I not do
Speaker 1: this fake thing? There's so much to this. Yes, you
Speaker 1: do have to be athletic. Yes too, you have to
Speaker 1: have a different kind of mental toughness, and too you
Speaker 1: have to be able. Once again, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to connect. And just being a great athlete doesn't
Speaker 1: do it enough. I mean in football, basketball, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys absolutely that are just incredible, but for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, that team.
Speaker 5: Situation, it just it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, and it's same goes with wrestling. There's
Speaker 1: a you have to have that thing that connects. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that come along and you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of call them ham and eggers, their middle
Speaker 1: of the road guys. It's just because they can't they
Speaker 1: can't spark that extra interest and and and that's that's
Speaker 1: what makes wrestling so difficult, is to make to have
Speaker 1: people interested in what it is that you do.
Speaker 6: I mean, the funny thing when I think about it,
Speaker 6: just being a rastling fan over the years.
Speaker 4: It's an art.
Speaker 6: It's an art in itself, and everybody paints that picture differently.
Speaker 6: And when it comes to all the attributes and all
Speaker 6: the variables that makes a great wrestler, everybody doesn't have it.
Speaker 6: Sometimes there's an it factor. Like when it comes to football,
Speaker 6: you can look at somebody just based off looking at
Speaker 6: him and say, you know what he had to it
Speaker 6: actor he passes the eye test. But when it comes
Speaker 6: to playing a position of tight end or whether it's receiver,
Speaker 6: when it's time to get out there and the lights are.
Speaker 4: On, they don't show up. It's different. It's a different
Speaker 4: ball game.
Speaker 1: It is the same, it's the same in the in
Speaker 1: the wrestling world. Yeah, it's just some people. Some people
Speaker 1: have it and some don't. Man, And it's uh and
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Like you know, we were talking earlier about
Speaker 1: mentoring and all that different thing, and what's so crazy
Speaker 1: for a young wrestler, Like they'll come up to you
Speaker 1: and like, hey, take you know, I got this match
Speaker 1: with so and so. What will you watch my match
Speaker 1: and you know, give me some feedback And I'm like, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And then you'll also see him going like I think
Speaker 1: Sean Michaels is somewhere here right, So now he's got
Speaker 1: an Undertaker watching, He's got Shawn Michael's watching.
Speaker 5: You got maybe he's got Triple H watching.
Speaker 1: Now we're all three gonna watch that match, and we're
Speaker 1: all three gonna give.
Speaker 5: You different price.
Speaker 1: And it's all right, right, it's all different you because
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what works for you, right,
Speaker 1: and what worked for me may not work for you.
Speaker 5: It ain't working for Sean Michael, Sean Mae exactly.
Speaker 1: And that is what makes it's so difficult to be
Speaker 1: a top guy for WWE, because it's just it's just
Speaker 1: you got to have something that's different and that resonates
Speaker 1: again with your audience.
Speaker 5: But when you look at it, the promo is very important.
Speaker 3: You look at a guy like a Rick Flair, you
Speaker 3: look at a guy like a Dusty Roll, you look
Speaker 3: at a rock, you look at a stone cold. They
Speaker 3: can hold this microphone, look into that camera and convince
Speaker 3: millions and millions of people to tune in and watch
Speaker 3: me kick somebody. But you use like, Hey, I'm not
Speaker 3: supposed to have a personality. I'm a knight. I'm an
Speaker 3: I'm an old school Western undertaker. I just come in.
Speaker 3: I just Hey, this is the body that I delivered
Speaker 3: to you. Hey, that's it, That's all I had. How
Speaker 3: is it that some guys just have that god given ability? Hope,
Speaker 3: you and now we were best with the God's giving
Speaker 3: a bil to just be able to talk. Some people
Speaker 3: can work at it and get good at it. I
Speaker 3: think Muhammad al Lead, Rest your soul, he just had
Speaker 3: that god given ability that was just born in him.
Speaker 3: How do guys get if you're not as gifted as
Speaker 3: some How do you get better at it? Do you
Speaker 3: have to like practice like you do like football and basketball?
Speaker 3: Do you have to practice and practice until you get
Speaker 3: good at it?
Speaker 1: For reps, reps, reps. Man, I mean, how many how
Speaker 1: many routes have you got? You got somebody, how many
Speaker 1: routes have you run? And how many times if you
Speaker 1: figure out how to make that route bet better? It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's standing in front of a mirror.
Speaker 1: Standing in front of a mirror, Well, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something, brother, Yeah you know somebody might be doing that.
Speaker 1: Let me you know, it's yeah, I mean it just
Speaker 1: it's just time and time again until you figure out
Speaker 1: to one that you're so comfortable, you know, like somebody,
Speaker 1: I would have somebody come into the room and just
Speaker 1: throw something random out and then this is the way
Speaker 1: even before undertakers like this skip come give me a
Speaker 1: random topic and then try to riff on it and
Speaker 1: make it like oh yeah, that's that's normal. Like I
Speaker 1: can't I can't even come up with really an example,
Speaker 1: but just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.
Speaker 1: Getting to a point where if you do get stuck,
Speaker 1: how to just be into your way through it. And
Speaker 1: you know, again that's that's the hardest part. If I was,
Speaker 1: that's probably for me, like the biggest key. If I
Speaker 1: can give you a mic and you can go out
Speaker 1: there and you can captivate your audience. I can teach
Speaker 1: you to wrestle. I can teach you well enough. There's
Speaker 1: been great guys that drew a lot of money that
Speaker 1: could barely tie their shoes and it's not trip but
Speaker 1: put a microphone in their hand. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like I want I want to see that guy fight.
Speaker 5: I want to see what he's going to do that
Speaker 5: other guy? Is that all? Is that all a part
Speaker 5: of it? Also? So when you go to NXT or
Speaker 5: to come see you guys, is that all a part
Speaker 5: of it? Is just not ring work?
Speaker 3: Obviously you have to get in front of the camera
Speaker 3: and do other things and things of that nature. So
Speaker 3: is that a part of the schooling process that you
Speaker 3: have to go through and not just ring and how
Speaker 3: to come up for a rope or drive off a
Speaker 3: turnbuckle or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the actual n ring stuff is probably the
Speaker 1: easiest part. Okay. I mean, obviously there's there's guys that
Speaker 1: are so gifted that can do incredible moves and all that,
Speaker 1: but that to me watching somebody who's going to be great.
Speaker 1: The wrestling part of it is that's simple having this
Speaker 1: and being able to again keep them on me.
Speaker 5: After then Yep, that is the gift, right that.
Speaker 1: I mean, There's been a million guys like I'll tell
Speaker 1: you Rock. For instance, when Rod debuted in Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 1: I looked at you know, he's a you know he's
Speaker 1: a second general, third generation as well.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I remember him coming out and he had that
Speaker 1: ridiculous thing around him and he was right, He's gonna
Speaker 1: be right, and I think it was it was Godfather.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this guy who he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: make it man, and uh.
Speaker 5: I missed, I missed.
Speaker 1: But somewhere in that time period he he got a
Speaker 1: hold of the mike and then he separated himself. Like wow,
Speaker 1: this guy is really talented. But you have to yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can do it with the mic
Speaker 1: and you can make people, you got to you got
Speaker 1: to make people who love you, You got to make
Speaker 1: them hate you between and it doesn't matter. And I
Speaker 1: could care less. You can love him and you hate me,
Speaker 1: but you have to have a feeling. If you don't,
Speaker 1: if you don't feel, you're you're you're wasting your time.
Speaker 3: How do they determine whether it gonna be good or
Speaker 3: the heel, or do you determine that? How how'd that go?
Speaker 3: How did that happen? And then how did that flip?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times it's it's kind of trial
Speaker 1: and error. You know. Some people like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: looks you know, he looks like this, or he looks
Speaker 1: like that, and you kind of got you get kind
Speaker 1: of stereotyped into a role, and then you know, I
Speaker 1: get it's it's trial and error, Like, Okay, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not a you know, maybe he in a maybe he
Speaker 1: isn't a bad guy. So let's see what his tendencies are.
Speaker 1: And everybody usually has some type of tendency you pick
Speaker 1: up on really really quick, like, you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: like losing, he didn't like doing that. He's a babyface.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: And this guy he'll he'll you know, he'll put his
Speaker 1: thumb in your eyeball. This guy he's a little more edgy.
Speaker 1: So again and again, I remember back in the day
Speaker 1: when the Honky talk Man came in and they built
Speaker 1: Honky talk Man up like he was you know, he
Speaker 1: was going to be the biggest good guy that ever
Speaker 1: came down the pipe, and the audience absolutely just destroyed him.
Speaker 1: They could they they booed him so badly and he
Speaker 1: turned into an incredible, incredible, he'll under conn Hill champion.
Speaker 1: So again, a lot of it it relies on your audience,
Speaker 1: and that was not the plan. The plan was not
Speaker 1: to have, not for the honky talk man to be
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: He's supposed to be the good guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was going to be a good guy. And
Speaker 1: so you just have to Sometimes you can't fight it.
Speaker 1: You just got to go with it and make the
Speaker 1: most of it.
Speaker 3: Signature move how do you how do you get a
Speaker 3: signature move? I mean do you have to have a
Speaker 3: signature move? I mean some people have to figure four
Speaker 3: and some people have the sleeper hole or the.
Speaker 5: Pool Nelson Resky had to claw.
Speaker 3: How do you develop a signature move or do they say, okay,
Speaker 3: this is going to be your signature move.
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of guys that come in and they've
Speaker 1: already kind of got a move set and things that
Speaker 1: they've been doing.
Speaker 5: One you're hopefully.
Speaker 1: You're fortunate enough to be in a situation where you
Speaker 1: have to finishing right.
Speaker 5: You come in and they don't care.
Speaker 1: Well you you're gonna be in trouble. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you then you want to you gotta have something that
Speaker 1: kind of resonates with your with your character, right like
Speaker 1: obviously mine being the tombstone, right. You know, in my
Speaker 1: head envisioned, well, this old this old Undertaker was picking
Speaker 1: up the tombstone and he was you know, he was
Speaker 1: planting it at the at the grave. So it made sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just one. You gotta do something different,
Speaker 1: you know, and think about all the wrestlers doing all
Speaker 1: these different You have to have something that that is
Speaker 1: different and catches people like, oh man, you know, it
Speaker 1: has that that wild factor to it.
Speaker 3: So of all the of all the WrestleManias, if I said, okay, Jake,
Speaker 3: or give me your your mount rushmore WrestleManias, the matches,
Speaker 3: who would you say, is your four the four best
Speaker 3: WrestleMania Out of here we are with four forty two,
Speaker 3: now your four best if you could, if you could recall.
Speaker 1: Twice?
Speaker 5: Uh and and I'm definitely not one to so.
Speaker 1: WrestleMania twenty five Undertaker first, Shawn Michaels. Okay, if if
Speaker 1: I if I was going to show a young kid
Speaker 1: that's coming up in the business, what our business is
Speaker 1: supposed to be about. It's that match.
Speaker 5: That's that's the one.
Speaker 1: It encapsulates athleticism, story, character, years of feuding. I think
Speaker 1: it encapsulated all of those things into one match. What
Speaker 1: another one? Uh what you know, Hogan and Andre, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that was so significant.
Speaker 3: That was the past, that was the passing because uh Andre,
Speaker 3: really that was the he started. I remember Andre and
Speaker 3: Georgia Championship Wrestling. I remember seeing him in Savannah Civic
Speaker 3: Center and I saw him in by Dallia, Georgia. Back
Speaker 3: then a lot of times that you guys are I
Speaker 3: don't know if you were back way back then, Taker,
Speaker 3: but they was wrestling in high school gyms. They was
Speaker 3: wrestling really really small venues maybe one hundred people, maybe
Speaker 3: two hundred people would be if that many. And so
Speaker 3: he was like the old and here come Hogan.
Speaker 5: Right. And now, like I said, wrestling used to be
Speaker 5: very very regional.
Speaker 3: You had Georgia Championship Wrestling, you had Florida, you had
Speaker 3: mid Atlantic, you had the North Atlantic, you had the Midwest.
Speaker 3: And so now here was the combination and McMahon and
Speaker 3: what they were able to do now the w w
Speaker 3: FWWE now is that all this was merging together, and
Speaker 3: Andre the Giant was excuse me, Hogan was gonna be
Speaker 3: the guy, yes to move it forward.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that was the significance of their WrestleMania match.
Speaker 1: It was it was Andre moving aside because what you know,
Speaker 1: Andre was the first global superstar of a wrestling He went,
Speaker 1: he went from territory to territory, like he would be
Speaker 1: in this territory for a couple of days and then
Speaker 1: he would go.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was a global.
Speaker 1: Attraction, yes, and just incredible. And then again, so Vince
Speaker 1: has taken over and he's gone to cable television, and
Speaker 1: you know, Hogan was his guy. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't realize the significance of that match just for
Speaker 1: the sake of the industry, and Andre did. So that's
Speaker 1: why Andre did business. And because if Andre did want to,
Speaker 1: he didn't have to.
Speaker 3: You know what Hogan was uh and and Vince was saying,
Speaker 3: I think it was a documentary or something, and they
Speaker 3: were saying Andre could barely walk at that point in time.
Speaker 5: His body had had betrayed him.
Speaker 3: He's so big, he's five hundred pounds, he's some foot tall,
Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden his body has started
Speaker 3: to betray him.
Speaker 5: They brought him out.
Speaker 3: Of like a like a scaffolding her, drove him down
Speaker 3: to the ring and the guys getting the ring and
Speaker 3: they're going through it, and all of a sudden, he tells,
Speaker 3: he tells Hogan slam, which means okay, body slamming. Okay,
Speaker 3: now not a leg and and Hogan's like, already, okay,
Speaker 3: this is what he asked for. Boom boom, and the
Speaker 3: matches over.
Speaker 5: Yep, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize, like and I was talking to Lash
Speaker 3: and Nil yesterday's like sometimes you forget the sequence and
Speaker 3: you know, you guys and they're talking and you have
Speaker 3: a referee that has the producer now back then, but yes,
Speaker 3: you did so you so basically you had to memorize.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like an Easter speech. You had to
Speaker 5: memorize the Easter speech. Taker well sort of.
Speaker 1: So back in the day when when wrestling it was
Speaker 1: kind of at its purest art form, yes, it's everything
Speaker 1: was more ad libbed. Okay, right, okay, it was. It
Speaker 1: was kind of on the spot kind of a deal. Okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: TV came along and you had to hit brakes and
Speaker 1: the app live TV. So the product kind of changed then,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there there wasn't there wasn't anything really to
Speaker 1: remember back then. It was like whatever Andre wanted to
Speaker 1: do and uh and that was what and that was
Speaker 1: what Hogan was gonna do whatever Andre told him, and
Speaker 1: Andre knew that, like, you know, they were selling they
Speaker 1: were selling quality, not quantity. And when the times, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a problem that you have to be
Speaker 1: able to. You have to know when to when to
Speaker 1: go sometimes when to go home. You can go out
Speaker 1: there like, well I got I got six more moves
Speaker 1: that I haven't done yet. You know, you don't need
Speaker 1: to get the whole, you know, the whole hit record
Speaker 1: in there. You just got to get the key points.
Speaker 3: Take a look. When I was a kid, wrestling came
Speaker 3: on once a week. It came on Saturday nights. It
Speaker 3: came on really really late. What's so hard for me
Speaker 3: to fathom is that it comes on you might you
Speaker 3: ever to see it three nights a week, and the
Speaker 3: fans are still craving it just like we did when
Speaker 3: it only came on once a week.
Speaker 5: And you get an opportunity to see and you see
Speaker 5: raw and you see.
Speaker 3: Smack Down, and you get these manias and and and
Speaker 3: it's just it's.
Speaker 5: Still the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because the the amount of content that's
Speaker 1: out there is it's it's incredible.
Speaker 5: I I've always.
Speaker 1: And have for many years, like, man, are we over
Speaker 1: exposing ourselves? But that that comes from decisions. Yes, farther
Speaker 1: up to pay grade than what what what I'm doing?
Speaker 1: But you you have to again if you're not, you know,
Speaker 1: the crowds are full if you're not putting it out
Speaker 1: there and they want it, they want it, they want good,
Speaker 1: they want good wrestling.
Speaker 6: Now that I think about it too, being a wrestling
Speaker 6: fan for so long, watching it over the years, Uncle, myself,
Speaker 6: you being on the creative side, I want you to
Speaker 6: think about this now you have creative control. Uncle and
Speaker 6: I tag team partners. Who are we wrestling like right now?
Speaker 6: And we really want to make this We want to
Speaker 6: we want to make this come into fruition.
Speaker 4: Uncle and I want to wrestle.
Speaker 5: Okay, don't want to wrestle no one.
Speaker 4: Mass You want to live. We want to relive our
Speaker 4: childhood dream.
Speaker 3: I want to be Bobby brain Heenan. I want to
Speaker 3: be Paul Hayman. I want to be somebody like that you.
Speaker 5: Want to talk. You don't want to take no bump.
Speaker 1: I want to take you want to talk no bumps?
Speaker 7: Tag team? Who are you putting up against modern day?
Speaker 7: All right, now, that's what I'm saying. The tag teams
Speaker 7: are out there now. Hmmm, let me think. Let's see
Speaker 7: you got definitely definitely babyfaces.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, you we be good guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta be the heels.
Speaker 1: See we already got we already got dissension. Don't wrestle
Speaker 1: one match, you're already going out of it. I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna book. We're gonna book one on one loser leave.
Speaker 4: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 5: I want to text. I want to bull a Texas
Speaker 5: bull rope match.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. Those are fun that bull Rube's reel,
Speaker 1: believe me.
Speaker 3: But there used to be a lot of matches, you know,
Speaker 3: Texas Death match, and you had a steel cage match,
Speaker 3: and you had you know, uh, wrap the hands up
Speaker 3: in all kind of you guys have kind of gotten
Speaker 3: the whip.
Speaker 5: Are they still steel cage matches?
Speaker 1: So we occasionally they'll do a stell cage. I think
Speaker 1: we have war games, and I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: considered uh uh, you know, a cage match, but then
Speaker 1: you have You've got Hell in a cell and then
Speaker 1: you have what's the other one in February.
Speaker 5: Chamber, Yeah, Chamber Punchy. The bumps are real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so we you know, we have those
Speaker 1: themed matches, yes, and occasionally something will happen through the
Speaker 1: course of a of a story line where you know,
Speaker 1: you'll lock them up and it's kind of it's a
Speaker 1: different vibe these days, but uh, you know that used
Speaker 1: to be. That used to be the uh be all
Speaker 1: the end all ye on the steel cage. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get blood and you yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be uh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, nobody could believe like Rick Flair, nobody could beletely like.
Speaker 1: Dusley Dusty Flair. Yeah, hey yeah those are those are
Speaker 1: probably two of the best bleeders Wildfire, Tommy Rich, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good bleeder.
Speaker 5: The Fabulous free Birds. Do you do?
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, I think Raymond Sterio might be
Speaker 3: the only one that steal words a mask. You know,
Speaker 3: back then they used to have a lot of guys
Speaker 3: Mister Wrestling Number one and two, the Super Destroyers.
Speaker 5: There are a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: Uh uh uh yeah, I had had masks on you
Speaker 3: guys don't have guys with masks very much other than Mysterio,
Speaker 3: right you.
Speaker 1: Well, we've got we've got we've got Dragon Lee. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we got and hey, if you want mask guys, come
Speaker 1: down to Triple A.
Speaker 5: We got lots of mask brother, yes, yes, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the thing with with wearing a mask,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't really think about this is.
Speaker 5: You can't see their face. You can't see their face.
Speaker 1: Right, that might have been the most silly thing that
Speaker 1: I've said, but.
Speaker 5: But when you watch something when when when.
Speaker 1: You watch wrestling, you kind of key in on the face. Yes, face,
Speaker 1: the face tells the whole story. Yes, the face tell
Speaker 1: you whether you're happy, where you're sad, whether you're you're
Speaker 1: pissed off, whether you're hurt, whether you're.
Speaker 5: Happy to see the other guy hurt.
Speaker 1: So you lose a lot of storytelling ability when you
Speaker 1: wear a mask, and that's a lot people. You know,
Speaker 1: people don't think about that.
Speaker 5: I used to love when they try to take the
Speaker 5: mask off in the ring.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's uh yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: big business.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: South of Triple A. Man, you we got hey, we
Speaker 1: got a we got a huge mask coming up, a
Speaker 1: huge mask match coming up, Mask versus Mask. The El Grandees,
Speaker 1: You guys will
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys for much hair you The Undertaker,