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Speaker 1: biggest like leaps of improvement when I have like the

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Speaker 1: least amount of like downtime due to injuries or setbacks

439
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Speaker 1: and I can just like put stack months and months

440
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Speaker 1: on top of each other. I like see huge improvements

441
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Speaker 1: when I can do that.

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Speaker 2: Aside from consistency, would you say just the drive to

443
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Speaker 2: run faster or like implementing faster running is also super important?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean training wise, Yeah, I think like

445
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Speaker 1: implementing I really benefit from tempo work and long runs.

446
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Speaker 1: But then also keeping with doing faster stuff on the

447
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Speaker 1: track too. It's funny because as I've gotten like in

448
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Speaker 1: doing high your mileage, I've actually gone faster and it

449
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of goes against what like I believed before. But

450
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Speaker 1: my like ten kPr and I did like a six

451
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Speaker 1: mile tempo or six mile time trial leading into the

452
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Speaker 1: Olympic trials, and it was like on par with my

453
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Speaker 1: ten k, Like my two fastest times over that distance

454
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Speaker 1: both came in the middle of marathon build ups. So

455
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Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't make sense, but I think

456
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Speaker 1: it actually does for me because I benefit a lot

457
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Speaker 1: from doing high mileage and some people are different. Some

458
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Speaker 1: people benefit from doing less mileage but more quality work

459
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Speaker 1: on the track. And I think it really depends on

460
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Speaker 1: the person. But for me getting faster it comes with

461
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Speaker 1: getting aerobically stronger, so it yeah, it depends.

462
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Speaker 2: Though, And you mentioned aerobically stronger, So are you regularly

463
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Speaker 2: supplementing the running that you're doing with any other sort

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Speaker 2: of cardioactivity.

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Speaker 1: I get asked that question a lot too, and no,

466
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Speaker 1: I don't like supplement unless unless I'm coming back off

467
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Speaker 1: an injury or I'm like slowly building my mileage back

468
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Speaker 1: up after break then I might supplement a bit, But

469
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Speaker 1: for me, cross training is something I just use when,

470
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Speaker 1: like if I have to like skip an evening run,

471
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Speaker 1: if I have a little niggl or something, I might

472
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Speaker 1: like implement it then, but sometimes I just let my

473
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Speaker 1: body rest. Like every once in a while in a marathon,

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Speaker 1: bill if I just take like an evening run off

475
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Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, something feels a little off, I'm

476
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Speaker 1: just gonna go, like get a massage and I'll probably find.

477
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow and.

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Speaker 1: And like making that callum being a little flexible, I

479
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Speaker 1: think is also the key to longevity. I think I'm

480
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Speaker 1: actually pretty good at that. A lot of assistance owners

481
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Speaker 1: we get very set and like this is what I'm

482
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Speaker 1: supposed to do today, and this is what I have

483
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Speaker 1: written down the piece of paper. My coach gives me

484
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Speaker 1: a piece of paper with my schedule on it. But

485
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Speaker 1: I've been pretty good. If I have something pop up,

486
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Speaker 1: I can push a work out back at day or

487
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Speaker 1: I can like give an evening run a miss and

488
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Speaker 1: either hop on the olliptico or aquajug or even just

489
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Speaker 1: take that evening run off or something. I think that's

490
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Speaker 1: been pretty key for me.

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Speaker 2: And it's so it sounds like being flexible is an

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Speaker 2: integral part of your training. I mean, has it all

493
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Speaker 2: always been something that felt attainable to you to be

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Speaker 2: this flexible, or was there another time in your career

495
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Speaker 2: so far where you didn't really allow yourself this flexibility

496
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Speaker 2: and were more rigid with what you had going on.

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Speaker 1: I think that's also a good question. I think I'm

498
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Speaker 1: more flexible now because I don't have like a whole

499
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Speaker 1: team that like is depending on each other. It's just

500
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Speaker 1: me and my husband for the most part. Molly and

501
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Speaker 1: I sync up every once in a while, but we

502
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Speaker 1: more often than not are not like right now, She's

503
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Speaker 1: in Providence and I'm in Arizona, so we're not training together.

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Speaker 1: So for me and I don't always push workouts off

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Speaker 1: a day, but I'm just not afraid to do that

506
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Speaker 1: if I need to, and it's not a big deal

507
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Speaker 1: and it's just me working out because I'm not letting

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Speaker 1: anyone down, Like I'm not. No one's like depending on

509
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Speaker 1: me at the workout to like pull them along. So

510
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Speaker 1: it definitely is easier now than it would have been

511
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Speaker 1: like in college when I had a whole team and

512
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Speaker 1: that her workout day was on a Tuesday or something.

513
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Speaker 1: I can't just push it off because that's not what

514
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Speaker 1: the team's doing. So there's pros and cons to having

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Speaker 1: a team and being more individual. And there are some

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Speaker 1: days I like, would love to have other people to

517
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Speaker 1: run with and train with. And then there are days

518
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I guess it is nice, it can

519
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Speaker 1: be flexible, and I have some autonomy, but pros and

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Speaker 1: cons of each I guess.

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Speaker 1: So I think the biggest thing for me is I

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good chiropractor here in Phoenix, and he's

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Speaker 1: pretty good at like looking at me and seeing what

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Speaker 1: my weaknesses are. So I'll do a bit of strength work,

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Speaker 1: like two to three times a week, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: see him probably once every week or every other week,

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Speaker 1: just for like adjustments and like bodywork. I respond really

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Speaker 1: well to like active release therapy, and I think just

563
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Speaker 1: rest recovery, strength, like staying on top of sleep and

564
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Speaker 1: eating while all those little things there's no like special secret,

565
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Speaker 1: it's all. It's just that I think my career has

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Speaker 1: benefited from seeing like how Mollie has. Like I watching

567
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Speaker 1: Mollie's career because she's seven years older than me when

568
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Speaker 1: I came out of college. I could watch her and

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Speaker 1: see how she trained and how she rested and how

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Speaker 1: she handled everything. And so I feel like I kind

571
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Speaker 1: of had a leg up on everyone because I got

572
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Speaker 1: to watch her to do it. So all these little

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Speaker 1: things they add up. But I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: made sense. It kind of a little bit off there.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, it definitely made sense. I mean, it's so

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Speaker 2: clear that Mollie has been such you know a mentor

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Speaker 2: and an inspiration for you. I mean, has she not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's interesting. We were talking about this on

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Speaker 1: the run the other day. It kind of just was

580
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Speaker 1: assumed that she was the mentor. But I never, like,

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Speaker 1: there was never this conversation when I came out of college, like,

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Speaker 1: oh well you mentored me. Like I just like jumped

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Speaker 1: in and started running with her. I would do some

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Speaker 1: of her workouts, and then we got to the point

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Speaker 1: where like we could push each other in workouts. We

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Speaker 1: do tempos apart, we don't do those together, but when

587
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Speaker 1: we're training on the track, we'll do like track workouts together,

588
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Speaker 1: longer intervals together, and like regular runs. So so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been really helpful to observe her. And she told me,

590
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Speaker 1: she's like, when I came out of college, I had

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Speaker 1: all these women around that I could watch, and like,

592
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Speaker 1: she's like, you just had me. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're pretty good. So it's worked out well.

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Speaker 2: So it's worked out well. The name of the podcast

595
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Speaker 2: is Hurdle. We all go through different moments in life

596
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Speaker 2: that might feel like failures are just really big exactly hurdles.

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Speaker 2: When you think about your career so far as a

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Speaker 2: professional athlete. What are some of the biggest hurdles that

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Speaker 2: stand out to you?

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Speaker 1: Some of the biggest hurdles. It's funny sometimes the biggest hurdles,

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Speaker 1: like at the time they feel like these massive hurdles,

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Speaker 1: and looking back they seem smaller. But I'd say, going

603
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Speaker 1: through that little funk in college where I thought I

604
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Speaker 1: lost my interest in the sport for a bit, that

605
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Speaker 1: was a hurdle at the time. I feel like right now,

606
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Speaker 1: honestly going through a bit of a hurdle. My last

607
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Speaker 1: race wasn't It was not great to say the least,

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Speaker 1: and there aren't really races going on right now, but

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Speaker 1: we're still like making the best of kind of a

610
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Speaker 1: not so great situation this year, and I do, like

611
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: genuinely believe I'm going to come out of this and

612
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: be stronger and there will be race opportunities soon. But

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Speaker 1: I'd say right now is actually a bit of a hurdle.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know what the biggest one

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Speaker 1: would be, but there are definitely lots of like like

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Speaker 1: injury hurdles or like getting sick at the wrong time hurdles,

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Speaker 1: just like things just don't work out hurdles.

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Speaker 2: But we all have them, last race being the marathon trial.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was my last one.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

622
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Speaker 2: I was down in Atlanta watching It was a crazy

623
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Speaker 2: day from everything from the wind and the weather to

624
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Speaker 2: obviously that course. Going into that race, where was your

625
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: head at what were you envisioning for yourself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going into that race, I was pretty excited. And

627
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to be so careful of how

628
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Speaker 1: we talk about this because sometimes it comes off like

629
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Speaker 1: I'm making excuses or something like us distance running is

630
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Speaker 1: just like taking off right now. It was always going

631
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: to be a really hard team to make. But I

632
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: went into the trials pretty confident. I that was the

633
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Speaker 1: fittest I've ever been going, just off workouts and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But the race itself didn't go well. And at the

635
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Speaker 1: end of the day, it's the race. It's not the workouts,

636
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: it's not the time trial, it's not the stuff you

637
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: post on Instagram that matters. So I think coming out

638
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: of it was a little tough because we had some

639
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: ideas maybe what went wrong, but like, I've never had

640
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: a race that just went that poorly that I couldn't say, oh, well,

641
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Speaker 1: I was sick. That's why I went bad or oh,

642
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I was injured that whole build up, That's why I

643
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Speaker 1: went bad. Like I like was kind of at a loss,

644
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: and we're like, well, maybe I raced and peaked a

645
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: little too much like the twelve months prior. Maybe I

646
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Speaker 1: do think, like I'm not. Like it was an extremely

647
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Speaker 1: hilly course and we all were definitely had to like

648
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: everyone was in the same boat. We all had to

649
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Speaker 1: run it. But I've never run a course that hilly before,

650
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Speaker 1: and I thought I'd be fine because I remember in

651
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Speaker 1: the build up everyone just kept talking about the hills

652
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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I've run well at like

653
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Speaker 1: New York Half, like Pittsburgh ten Miler, Like I keptn

654
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: like listing off races I run well at that we're hilly,

655
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: and then I like made this mistake. I went up

656
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: like when I'm looked up the elevation profiles of those courses,

657
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, people call those hilly,

658
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: and I think, like I could have done like New

659
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: York Half twice. It would have been like a little

660
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: over half as hilly as a marathon trial. So it

661
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: was definitely a different type of course. So maybe that

662
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: was it. Maybe I was like tired going like I

663
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: was tired going into the buildup from all the races

664
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: I did the year before, but I still like, I

665
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: feel like I was able to get pretty fit and

666
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: like I rested well and took care of myself. So

667
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was like some of those races

668
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm not sure what happened. I'd like

669
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: to move on from it, but we don't have anything

670
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: right now to move on to. So we're just trying

671
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: to figure out things like how I can come out

672
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: of the stronger, how I can maybe like add years

673
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: onto my career and make my body last longer, and

674
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, I get ready for when opportunities do your rise,

675
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: which there will be some eventually. So yeah, that was

676
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of a mouthful.

677
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: Do you think that it's been hard for you to

678
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: kind of get past that because there hasn't been like

679
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: one big moment for you to kind of be like, look,

680
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing so good now.

681
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. Yeah. I think I'm someone that I'm actually

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: pretty good at moving on from things. But I move

683
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: on by putting them behind me and moving on to

684
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: the next thing. And there just was nothing to move

685
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: on to, and so I kind of like like almost

686
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: any interview I've done since then, and it's been eight months,

687
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: it comes up because there's been nothing that has happened.

688
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: So I don't like blame people for asking that, but

689
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: there's just there haven't been really many opportunities. So I

690
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: have Valencia Half in December, which I'm so looking forward to,

691
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: just to like race again, and I hope it goes

692
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: really well. But even if it's not like my best

693
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: day ever, I'm so excited to get back out there

694
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: because like that's how I move on from things. I

695
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: just like, go on to the next race, go on

696
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: to the next challenge. In our sport, there's usually always

697
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: something just around the corner, So that's how I bounce

698
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: back usually, but it's definitely been tricky because there's just

699
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: nothing to bounce back to you right now.

700
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is that although there might not be,

701
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, racis in the conventional sense like the getting

702
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: past it and like the next challenge or the next

703
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: thing that you can do. Like I guess I would

704
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: sit here and say that that's kind of like up

705
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: to you as well, like in that like you have

706
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: an opportunity to like set some sort of other benchmark

707
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: for yourself, so to speak. I mean we talked about

708
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: the virtual New York marathons that we both ran, and

709
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: I mean I was scared shitless to go out there

710
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: and do this without like closed roads and like water

711
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: stations and god like just so many things. But like

712
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: I went out there and took that challenge in a

713
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: way that like I don't think I would have maybe

714
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: even done without like that presented difference of an opportunity,

715
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. So I don't know. I

716
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: mean I say that to you almost to like kind

717
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: of challenge you outside the Valencia half of like what

718
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: it is that you can do just.

719
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: You Yeah, no, actually I think that makes sense. I

720
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: think with the absence of races right now, I'm definitely

721
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: less like I'm willing to try like new things, and

722
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm less afraid of, like oh I just like of

723
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: getting injured or something going wrong, because like, well if

724
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: it does, like I have so much time right now

725
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: and I'm able to kind of like play around and see,

726
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: like is there anything else I can be doing to

727
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: help improve me as a runner. And I've tried a

728
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: couple of things that didn't work out, Like I tried

729
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: running on trails for like a week, which is a disaster.

730
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: But then for the most part, I've actually like I've

731
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: been able to like work on a lot of weaknesses

732
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: that I found, and I feel actually really good now,

733
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: And it's almost weird. I didn't realize like how tired

734
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I was running until I had this like long stretch

735
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: of like able to take like a long break which

736
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: I normally don't get and like like do some strength

737
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: stuff in the gym, like work on some weaknesses, and

738
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: how I'm like most of my runs, I'm like, I

739
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: feel pretty good now. I didn't realize how like much

740
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: I was shuffling, but for now, like how tired maybe

741
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I was. So I think, like there have been silver

742
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: linings to all of this. I'm just hoping that the

743
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: races do come soon, but I know there are bigger

744
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: things going on in the world right now. So we're

745
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: still very lucky, me and my husband, like, given everything

746
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: that's going on.

747
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: And you mentioned when I asked you about some of

748
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: the hurdles that you faced in your career a fair

749
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: amount of injury. Talk to me about that. How have

750
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: you managed to stay positive and push forward when you

751
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: have dealt with injuries in the past.

752
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I've been running for so long

753
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: now I actually feel like I'm pretty durable almost everywhere.

754
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: But I have one week spot and it's kind of

755
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: just been the one thing that keeps popping up in

756
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: my career. But the lucky thing is because it's only

757
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: one week spot, I get to learn every time that

758
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: it does get irritated or do you have an issue

759
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: with it? And now I've gotten pretty good at like

760
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: knowing like what my body's telling me what like like

761
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: if I feel any pain or anything, like I see

762
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: it as feedback. Now I don't panic, and like I

763
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: don't know if this is making sense, But because I

764
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of have the one same injury that I have

765
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: just have to manage, I've learned a lot about like

766
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: how you can still run like really well, but also

767
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like listen to your body, not panic if something's not

768
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: going well, what kind of treatment I need, And like

769
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I think it'd be harder if I had like a

770
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: stress pructure in my foot one day and then like

771
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: a few months later, like tend to night is somewhere else.

772
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: Like for me, it's just one thing, so I just

773
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: have to like stay on top of it. And I

774
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: keep getting better and better at it because I've just

775
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: been running and this is my one body. So I've

776
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: been trying to figure things out for the last few years,

777
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: and I'm getting better at it. I don't know if

778
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

779
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: This is so cryptic, like you're not going to tell me, well,

780
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: I don't know when to.

781
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: Talk about it, but yeah, no, I just like I

782
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: just yeah, my kneed is sometimes slurs up and it's

783
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: like just part of like my that's just like it's

784
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: not a big deal anymore. It used to be I'd

785
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: be like, why do I have ten and ice on

786
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: my patilla? Again? Like what, like what's going on? It?

787
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: Like started in college and I miss like I remember

788
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: like a month or two for it, and now I

789
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: give it flares up of like I don't know, maybe

790
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: two days I cross train and then I see you

791
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: like my chiropractor and we get things under control, Like

792
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: they're like.

793
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Is not I'm curious? Is not like necessarily naming it either.

794
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: I feel like it would be one of two things,

795
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: and it's like I don't want to give away what

796
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: my problem is, but then two is it kind of

797
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: like if I don't talk about it, then maybe I'm

798
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: not talking it into existence.

799
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: It's the second one, so like cause it's interesting, I

800
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: don't actually like a lot of runners love being really

801
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: open on social media about injuries and setbacks and stuff.

802
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: But for me, I think it's because I'm more of

803
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: an introvert. I just don't like talking about like any

804
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: problems that I have. And it's not because I don't

805
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: think anyone else whenever they talk about setbacks or like

806
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: sickness or injury, like I'm always like like in their corner, like,

807
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I feel for you. That's like, thank

808
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: you for sharing this with people. I think people need

809
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: to see it. But when it comes to me, like

810
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: I like, for some reason feel like I'm a bird

811
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: in one if I like talk about things, but then two,

812
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just like because it takes energy

813
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: for me to manage things and just like stay on

814
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: top of things, it just takes even more energy to

815
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: talk about it. So I talked about any like injuries

816
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: or not even injuries, just any like tweaks or things

817
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: that aren't feeling great. I talk about them with like

818
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: five people, like for maybe three I talk about them

819
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: with my husband, my coach, and my caropractor. And that's

820
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: about it. And that's just how I like, I kind

821
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of think I can keep a cool head with a

822
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: lot of this. I think if I just were to

823
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: constantly talk about things that were aching or tired or sore,

824
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: like for me, that just be a little too draining.

825
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: So that's just, yeah, that's just how I handle it.

826
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: It's not that I'm trying to be secreted. It's just

827
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like a like a what do you call it.

828
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: A certain It's like a protective method.

829
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a boundary or something. I said, But it's

830
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: probably good to talk about it more.

831
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I feel you, and I like you

832
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: are the person that gets to establish your boundaries. It's

833
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: actually this totally brings me back to a conversation I

834
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: had with an old therapist where at the time very

835
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: different situation, but very appable to what we're going here.

836
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: She and I were discussing money and how much I

837
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: could literally afford to pay her, and I gave her

838
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: where I was and what I had, and then I said,

839
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: after I mentioned that, like, I know, you're a contractor

840
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: and you work hourly, and you could find someone else

841
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: that could come in here and pay you more money,

842
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And she said to me, like,

843
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: you don't get to decide what I do with your boundaries.

844
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: Like you told me the boundary, and now like I

845
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: can tell you what I'm going to do with that,

846
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: Like you don't get to decide how people deal with that.

847
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: So like, if your boundary, so to speak, is that

848
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: you don't really like to get into or deal with

849
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: what happens you get to something about yours, then like

850
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: I have to respect that about you. And that's just

851
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: how it is. Although I cannot guarantee you now that

852
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: you probably I know the hurdle community, they're gonna be

853
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: like I've totally been there. They're going to message you,

854
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: and they're support you. They won't plague you with like

855
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: tons of questions too.

856
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: It's my like weird little quirk, I think, but it

857
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: really does help me because I feel like I can

858
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: have a day where like maybe I go for an

859
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: evening run and I feel like, like, I don't know,

860
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: maybe my hip's a little tight or something, or my

861
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: knee is like just a little extra tite that day.

862
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: And I think because I don't constantly talk about it,

863
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: that's how it's easy for me to manage because I'm like,

864
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: I'll probably be fine tomorrow, and if it's not fine tomorrow,

865
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: I'll just go get treatment. Then i'll be finding like

866
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: two days. But if I were to constantly talk about

867
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: it probably make me like worry about it and make

868
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: it feel like it's a bigger deal than it is.

869
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, when you're running one hundred, one hundred

870
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: and fifteen miles a week, you're always going to feel

871
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: some things that are a little off. Like it's just like,

872
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: especially as a professional athlete, and so it's sometimes hard

873
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: to like explain that and so like for me, just

874
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: like it's how i do my job. And it sounds

875
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: like I'm being secretive and I don't mean to be

876
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: another thing I like don't mean to be secretive about,

877
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: but like people always ask me about like workout splits,

878
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: and that's another thing I don't like to share. And

879
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm like, oh, I don't want people

880
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to like know how like faster or slow my workout is.

881
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: It's like I want my races to speak for me.

882
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: I want my like for me. It's a boundary to

883
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: like keep like my intervals and my tempos like kind

884
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: of private because at the end of the day, like

885
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how good my workouts were going and

886
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: the Olympic trials build up the race and go well

887
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: or how I wanted. So at the end of the

888
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: day of the race is what matters. And I don't

889
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: want to ever like forget that and get too caught

890
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: up or ever sound like I'm bragging about a workout either.

891
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: That's like an issue I have. That's just like totally,

892
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do have these like weird things. Sometimes

893
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: people are like, you're being secretive and like, well, I

894
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: don't mean to be, but.

895
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to gang up on you. M No,

896
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't. But I mean, well what you're saying though,

897
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: like is so it's not just you in that Like

898
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: there's a reason why I don't go on to Strava

899
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: and see like ninety nine percent of professional athlete's Like

900
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: you're not the only professional athlete that's not like sharing

901
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: all of their stuff. And that's just because, like what

902
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: you said, this is your job, and you know, we

903
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: each have to be able to go about and perform

904
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: in whatever it is that we're doing with our lives

905
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: in the best way possible, and sometimes you've got to

906
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: again with the boundaries, like set your own perimeter on

907
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: what you're trying to get done and how you can

908
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: do it in the best way possible exactly.

909
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: And some people are different, Like I think some people

910
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: do like handle things better when they can talk things

911
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: out with their friends or with like a community of people,

912
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: and that, like I think really helps them. And I

913
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: think it just really like comes down to the person

914
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: and what your needs are and what. Yeah, it's very individual,

915
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: but it's interesting, yeah, yeah.

916
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: And I mean this obviously kind of translates over to

917
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: the concept of social media over there. I mean it

918
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: really is for many an opportunity or an outlet to

919
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: kind of dive into those deeper topics. But I know

920
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: for you, I mean, you're not like the kind of

921
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: person that's putting out lengthy, lengthy, lengthy captions all the time.

922
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: So do you think about that when it comes to

923
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: your audience and what you're sharing over there?

924
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: So social media is so interesting to me. I to

925
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: be totally honest, until this past year, I really just

926
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: wasn't like that into it. I feel like just so weird,

927
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: like talking about myself and like posting things about myself.

928
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: But then when like I think when the pandemic hit

929
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: and there were no races, I was like, well, like

930
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: part of me is like, well, I have extra free time,

931
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: and like what's something productive I can be doing right

932
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: now apart from like working on my body and trying

933
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: to figure out any weaknesses. And one thing I really

934
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: liked doing actually was like reaching out a bit more

935
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: and like sharing things I've learned in this sport. And

936
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: I kind of played around with what I shared on

937
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: social media at the start of this pandemic because like

938
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Speaker 1: everyone was posting so many pictures at first, so I

939
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: was like, I guess I'll do that, but I found

940
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: it like so unfulfilling. So so recently what I've been

941
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: doing is like I've really enjoyed just sharing like like

942
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: either advice on like uh, like the mental side of training.

943
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: I've done a few like videos about that, or I'll

944
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: share like core videos that are like very like pertinent

945
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: for runners that aren't necessarily going to get you like

946
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: that six pack everyone wants. It's more like what's going

947
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: to keep me from getting injured? Like that's the purpose

948
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: of core for me, is like what's going to keep

949
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: my like spine and pul is stable and what's going

950
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: to get me to fire my glute and so like

951
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: things like that I didn't learn for years, and I'm like, well,

952
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: I've like done so I've been in the sport for

953
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: so long and I feel like I do have some

954
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot. I'd like to share some of it.

955
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: So I feel like I've been sharing a bit more

956
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff and that, like and I've

957
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: had like conversations with people and I think that's been

958
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of cool, which I never really tried, like reaching

959
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: out on social media before, and now I'm definitely making

960
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: more of an effort. But I'm still someone new at it.

961
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: So I remember the first time I posted a video,

962
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: it took me all day to figure out how to

963
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: post it, and I'd just like having to call my sister.

964
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, can you do that? Like I don't know

965
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: how to do this so sorit. I'm so new to it,

966
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to figure out what it is I

967
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: like sharing because I do want to share some stuff

968
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: and like have some yeah, like dialogue.

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Speaker 2: the mental side of running, obviously now more than ever,

996
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: probably when you are doing more of your training alone.

997
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned like being in and out of sync with

998
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Speaker 2: Molly and other training partners. For you with the mental

999
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: side of things during this pandemic, what are some of

1000
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 2: the like foundations or the things that you've been going

1001
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: back to to keep at it when there haven't been

1002
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Speaker 2: races on the table.

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Speaker 1: So I think sometimes it's overwhelming when you start to

1004
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: think too far ahead, like oh no, when am I

1005
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: going to race next? When is my next opportunity to

1006
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: push myself going to be? So it kind of just

1007
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: goes back to the simple I know it's cliche, but

1008
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: taking it like one day at a time, one workout

1009
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: at a time, like one mile at a time. And

1010
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: I remember talking about like when you're having a tough workout,

1011
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: how do you get through that? And for me, it's

1012
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: like a bit of a mindfulness technique. I'll actually like

1013
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: do it while I'm running. If I have like I

1014
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: don't know, like eight by a k on the track

1015
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: or something and I'm like two k in and I'm

1016
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: like really tired and I have six more reps to go.

1017
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Instead of like thinking ahead and being like, oh no,

1018
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling tired now, how am I going to

1019
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: feel in seven or eight, I like will pull myself

1020
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: back and be like, well, I'll like figure that out

1021
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: when I get there, like right now and you're on

1022
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Rep three, let's get through Rep three and like like

1023
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: one rep out of time, you get through the workout

1024
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: and like oftentimes I'll get through it and it'll go

1025
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: really well. And I didn't think it was going to

1026
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: at the start. So I'm kind of treating the pandemic

1027
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm like one day at a time,

1028
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: one like week at a time, one month at a time,

1029
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: Like I really do you believe we're gonna have opportunities

1030
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: to push ourselves? I have one. Hopefully it works out

1031
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: in December and Valencia, and if not, I do think

1032
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: like we've been in this long enough now we're learning

1033
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: how to put on some events safely so that we

1034
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: can get racism and like I'm optimistic about a vaccine,

1035
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But just honestly, like not thinking too

1036
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: far ahead right now, I think is pretty important because

1037
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: everything's like so uncertain, so up in the air.

1038
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: I think that we can definitely both agree that running

1039
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: for us teaches us so much more about life than

1040
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: just running. You mentioned that takeaway taking things one day

1041
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: at a time. But when you think about running and

1042
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: what it's taught you, what do you really kind of

1043
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 2: circle back on.

1044
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: It's taught me a lot, But I'd say marathon training

1045
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: taught me that I'm really tough. Like I said before

1046
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: that like if there was any ever doubt in my mind,

1047
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: like oh I'm not tough or I could be tough,

1048
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: or I feel like marathon training just squash that, I

1049
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: was like, No, that was like my first marathon build

1050
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: up was so tough physically but also mentally. I had

1051
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: some like other stuff going on at the time of

1052
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: that build up, and so I found it actually more

1053
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: of like a mentally like stressful time, and I feel

1054
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: like I was able to still get through it and

1055
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: like have a good first marathon experience, and I remember

1056
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: after that, I was like, I feel like I had

1057
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: this like new like found confidence or I'm like I'm tough,

1058
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Like that was hard.

1059
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: That was hard. I can do hard things, I know well,

1060
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: I think I keep I go back to that too,

1061
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: like I can do hard things. I can do that.

1062
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: I didn't come this far to only come this far exactly,

1063
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: God spitting out so many like positive mantras just to

1064
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: in the run, keep you in the run, and then

1065
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: after the run, you're like I am God like insert

1066
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Speaker 2: like I'm Beyonce for all.

1067
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: I love Beyonce. Yeah, and anytime like I remember like

1068
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: uncertain about something or like oh what if, like I

1069
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know my like I don't achieve my next goal

1070
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: or something doesn't work out, I'm like, no matter what happens,

1071
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: I feel like like a lot of runners were just

1072
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: innately very hard workers, like we're always gonna land on

1073
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: our feet. Things are just gonna like just know how

1074
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: to work hard, we know how. We're just driven people,

1075
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: it seems for the most part. So yeah, I always

1076
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: come back to that and like you're tough, You're tougher

1077
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: than you things sometimes, but yeah, you're.

1078
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Speaker 2: Tougher than you think. So then right now, aside from

1079
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Speaker 2: the pending race in Valencia, what are you excited about.

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00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that. I'm really really excited just to

1081
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: race again. I miss it so much, so I'm excited

1082
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: for that opportunity. And then I think in twenty twenty one,

1083
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: I do think we're going to have like track races

1084
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: happening that I can happen and do hopefully and push myself.

1085
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: And then the Olympic Trials is what I'm preparing for

1086
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: right now in the ten k, so that's still a

1087
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: ways off, but I'm just excited for that. I feel

1088
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: like the marathon trials definitely didn't go how I wanted

1089
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: it to go, but I feel like that was like,

1090
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: in my head, probably my worst, like worst case scenario,

1091
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: having to drop out of a race. I've never done

1092
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: that before, and I feel like sometimes when you've had

1093
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: such a bad experience, you're like you bounce back, and

1094
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: me like, I feel like I have nothing to lose

1095
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: now because the thing I feared happening most already happened,

1096
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fine, I survived. I'm going to keep

1097
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: pushing and I'm going to keep like trying. Eventually if

1098
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: you just like keep showing up, I guess this does

1099
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: says or just like the rule of numbers, like something

1100
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: will eventually work out. So I'm gonna keep working hard

1101
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: in the meantime, and I'm optimistic things there will be opportunities.

1102
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: We talked about how it was hard to move on

1103
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: from that because there weren't other races. But how did you,

1104
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: like was it the support of friends or your husband,

1105
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: Like how did you kind of move past that earlier

1106
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: this year? Because for again, like you didn't come that

1107
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: far to only come that far, you worked so hard

1108
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: to get there, and then like I think so many

1109
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: people really struggle with when things kind of go off

1110
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: the rails, like getting past it.

1111
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like for me, like how I move on from

1112
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: Like I can put bad races behind me, but I

1113
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: put them behind me, like I said, by moving on,

1114
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: And because there was nothing, it kind of forced me

1115
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: to sit with it, like I felt a little stuck.

1116
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: And I my husband is just like the like most

1117
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: laid back irishman and he always has like the best perspective,

1118
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: and he could tell I was off for like a

1119
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: few weeks. But like I like I just didn't want

1120
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I just wanted to train. Then

1121
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: everything got canceled, and I just remember one day, like

1122
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: we were in the kitchen making breakfast and he's like,

1123
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: are you okay. I'm like, yeah, fine, why And he's like,

1124
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: you're like gonna break that whisk. You're like whisking the

1125
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: eggs so aggressively, like you seem like you're holding onto something.

1126
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: And I do think like just having him and just

1127
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: like his like kind of like he always like having

1128
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: such good perspective always like brings me back and be like, Okay,

1129
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: well that race didn't go well, but I have all

1130
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: this other stuff like that is going well, and like

1131
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: start seeing all these positives after talking to him. And

1132
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: my best friend also is someone I talked to a bit.

1133
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: She's someone I ran with in college. But apart from them,

1134
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: I probably didn't talk to too many people about it. I'm

1135
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: definitely more like private of a person, so but talking

1136
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: to them was good. That was helpful.

1137
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: When you look back on, you know, your professional career

1138
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: so far, what would you say has been some of

1139
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: the best advice that you've received?

1140
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: So best advice coming out of college as a professional.

1141
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: I remember, like my coach Ray Tracy sat me down

1142
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: in his office and one piece of advice he gave me,

1143
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: which I like, wouldn't have expected this out of everything.

1144
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: He was like, this is your going to be your career,

1145
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: your livelihood, Like I highly recommend you'd like obviously you

1146
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: take it seriously, but don't be afraid to like invest

1147
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: in yourself. And I thought that was such like such

1148
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: good advice because I've taken it to heart and either

1149
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: investing time and figuring out what my body needs or

1150
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: financially like obviously living within my means, like investing in

1151
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: like body work, things like that. I feel like has

1152
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: like really paid off in my career, especially because I've

1153
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: had like this one knee issue that's like popped up

1154
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: a lot. I've been able to figure it out because

1155
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't afraid to do that, and I think sometimes

1156
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: people like might be a little bit and I like

1157
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: from the bat, wasn't afraid to do that. After Ray

1158
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: had that conversation with me and then Molly, I remember

1159
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: the start line of London telling me take it one

1160
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: bottle station at a time, referring to the marathon, and

1161
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was really good advice for marathon so

1162
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: whenever someone asked me for marathon advice, and like break

1163
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: it up into five k's, one bottle station at a time,

1164
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: only focus on the bottle ahead. So two best pieces

1165
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: of advice, i'd say, if we're from the two of them.

1166
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: I actually love that, and I think that it's interesting

1167
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: that no matter how long it's been, no matter no

1168
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: matter how long it's been, we always go back to

1169
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: like these token nuggets and advice for each race, like

1170
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: going forward. Someone one's told me to go back to calm.

1171
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh.

1172
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 2: I like that, and I think about that in every

1173
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: race ever since. I had this, like one meeting at

1174
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: a macho place on Broadway and twenty eighth Street. Like

1175
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: I always think to myself when I like want to

1176
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 2: cry and I'm at mile twenty one if I'm running

1177
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: a marathon, like go back to calm, Like you can

1178
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: do this, go back to Colm. I like that that.

1179
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: I love that idea that you said about of the bottles,

1180
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 2: because that's so applicable. I mean, we were talking about

1181
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: life and how you like don't want to think too

1182
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 2: far ahead. It's like, let's just focus on the now

1183
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: and get through this and then we can move on

1184
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: to the next.

1185
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: It was so helpful in that race too. The reason

1186
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: she gave me that advice was like ten minutes before

1187
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: the start, I tripped and I like actually like pretty badly,

1188
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: being like my like good knee and my ankle, and

1189
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I like went through this

1190
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: entire marathon build up and now like I think I

1191
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: messed it up ten minutes before the start, and she

1192
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: could tell I was really nervous, and she like didn't

1193
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: know why though, so she was like she thought I

1194
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: was just nervous for the race itself. So she gave

1195
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: me that advice. But it actually was so helpful in

1196
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: the race because starting off actually didn't feel very good.

1197
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: I felt like I had maybe like a bit of

1198
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: a hitch of my step after falling, and it was

1199
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: just a little like out of sorts. And I was like, Okay, well,

1200
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: you're a mile too, you still have like twenty four

1201
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: months to go. Let's just focus on like the one

1202
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: mile you're in, focus on the like five k you're in,

1203
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: which is Mollie said to do. And like, actually, by

1204
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: the time I got to the halfway point, I felt fine.

1205
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: So like it was good advice because I could have

1206
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: easially psyched myself out, But yeah, I think that advice

1207
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: on the starting line was really good. And afterwards she

1208
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: was like, I just thought you were like really nervous,

1209
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: like just for the marathon. I was like, oh no,

1210
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I was just nervous. I wasn't going to be able

1211
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: to finish or something. But it like shook me a

1212
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: little bit, But yeah, that helped a lot at the time.

1213
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: How do you let go of the anxiety that surrounds

1214
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: the things that we can't control? Because you just like

1215
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: listed off a bunch of things that you had no

1216
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: control over, but you were able eventually to let them

1217
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: go and focus quote unquote on that one bottle at

1218
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: a time method. So how what would you offer someone

1219
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 2: who has a problem of just like freaking out about

1220
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 2: the stuff that they can't control.

1221
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: A lot of runners do you struggle with that, especially

1222
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: for a marathon, because you only like you don't have

1223
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: like a backup marathon, like you trained for three months

1224
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: and then if like the weather's bad or you get

1225
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: sick the week of or something, it can be very

1226
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: stressful because there's not like another opportunity like two weeks later.

1227
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: But I think, honestly, just like anytime you start to

1228
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: psych yourself out and start worrying about things you can't control.

1229
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: I sometimes write things down and if it's out of

1230
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: my control, I just crossed off the list of like

1231
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: something I'm concerned with, Like, well, I have no control

1232
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: over that. Let's focus on the things I do have

1233
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: control over. And at the end of the day, like,

1234
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: some races are like things will fall together better than others.

1235
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: But if you just keep showing up to like race

1236
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: after race, you're going to like hit some and some

1237
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: of them are going to turn out and some of

1238
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: them are going to be like as good as others.

1239
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: So I feel like not stressing or trying not to

1240
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: stress as much as you can about those things by

1241
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: just remembering, like it's not all on this one race.

1242
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: I've got like like years of running ahead of me.

1243
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes just putting things of perspective helps.

1244
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: And I think like understanding that even when these hiccups come,

1245
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: and they will come because they come for everyone, that

1246
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: even when these hurdles comes, it's really understanding that both

1247
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: the good moments and the bad moment moments have things

1248
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: to teach you exactly.

1249
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can walk away from every race with something

1250
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: you've learned from it. That's actually one thing I had

1251
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: a sports say coach a couple of years ago that

1252
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: helped me Roshiemageton and Dumas, and she always told me

1253
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: to do a review after every race, even the good ones.

1254
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: There's always something you can take away, either something you

1255
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: did really well but you want to remember, or something

1256
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: that like you didn't do well and you just want

1257
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: to write it down. There's always some sort of takeaway.

1258
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: So going in to next year, you mentioned the ten

1259
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: k on the track, how are you feeling about that

1260
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: and how does your training for that differentiate from what

1261
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: you were putting together for the marathon.

1262
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am really excited for that, and I

1263
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: do think marathon training kind of helped me learn what

1264
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: my body responds well to you, because we were kind

1265
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: of shocked when I ran like a ten kPr by

1266
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: like a ton in the middle of a marathon built

1267
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: up last year, and then after like the London Marathon,

1268
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: I went back to ten k training for the track

1269
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: and I didn't actually feel as good. I felt like

1270
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: less strong and just like I didn't feel quite as good.

1271
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: And it was because we like took out tempo like

1272
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot of tempos, I only had one every few weeks,

1273
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: and longer runs weren't like the same quality. So after

1274
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of like playing around with it a bit, I

1275
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: feel like we've learned like my body responds well to

1276
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: certain training, and so going into the ten K, I'll

1277
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: probably still keep like tempos and quality long runs as

1278
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: like a good like backbone to my training, along with

1279
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: track work, assuming I can get on a track ahead,

1280
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: but just keep the mileage lower, like I won't run

1281
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty mile weeks.

1282
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: But that was something I went to have learned if

1283
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the marathon build ups. So yeah, it's interesting.

1284
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: When you talk about tempos, what do tempos often look

1285
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: like for you? Because I know they can be defined

1286
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: very differently.

1287
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: So for me, it's just a sustain effort where I

1288
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: feel like I'm pushing myself, but I'm not like going anaerobic.

1289
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like a hard, controlled effort. But I

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Speaker 1: always should feel at the end of the tempo that

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Speaker 1: I could have kept going longer, So I never rased

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Speaker 1: my tempos. I'm pretty good at knowing what effort if

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Speaker 1: my coach tells me to run a certain pace and

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Speaker 1: know what that effort feels like. But like I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fit, Like I'm not someone that will

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Speaker 1: ever RaSE my tempos or race my workouts. I'm really

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Speaker 1: good at like like pushing myself pretty hard, and our

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Speaker 1: workouts are I think, pretty challenging. But a tempo for

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Speaker 1: me isn't something you should be like totally gassed at

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Speaker 1: the end. Like if I wanted to run another mile

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Speaker 1: at that pace, I should like be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: So for me, they're like eight to ten miles. When

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Speaker 1: I'm marathon training, I'll do more like ten mile ones

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Speaker 1: right now, probably more like eight. Occasionally I did one

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Speaker 1: twelve mile one in my build up, but that's the

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Speaker 1: longest I've gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I interviewed an expert once and the

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Speaker 2: term that he used for tempo running is that it

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Speaker 2: should be comfortably hard. So if you had if you

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Speaker 2: have five zones that you could run in, like if

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Speaker 2: we're talking about heart rate zones, like you should be

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Speaker 2: in between three and four and never crossing from four

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Speaker 2: to five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to explain it. I actually

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Speaker 1: look at my heart rate after and it's always like

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Speaker 1: it's always the same, like every single tempo, maybe like

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Speaker 1: a couple like feeds from it off, but not too different.

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Speaker 2: Not too different. And I definitely also think like, obviously

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Speaker 2: you're a very experienced athlete. You have access to really

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Speaker 2: great coaching, and I'm sure like when you were younger,

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Speaker 2: you know, before we were excelling in college and everything,

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Speaker 2: that you weren't completely dialed in and knowing like what

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Speaker 2: your heart rate zones are, like even incorporating things like these,

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Speaker 2: like different types of running. So I think like it's

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Speaker 2: fun even for you know, the hobby jogger as I

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Speaker 2: like to call it, to familiarize yourself with what these

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Speaker 2: kinds of runs are and like play around with adding

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Speaker 2: them every once in a while into your training.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think switching this up is how you

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Speaker 1: keep this sport fund. So if you haven't done like

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Speaker 1: a temple run before, try that, or try like mixing

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Speaker 1: up your workouts but doing a heart rate I never

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Speaker 1: like go off heart rate heart rate while I'm working out,

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Speaker 1: but afterwards, I like look back on it, and I

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Speaker 1: like find it super interesting and so fascinating to look at.

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Speaker 2: Super interesting. Okay, I have one more question for you,

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Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to give yourself a

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Speaker 2: piece of advice at one of your biggest hurdle moments.

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Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do it to you. We're going to go back

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Speaker 2: to the marathon trials. If you have an opportunity right

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Speaker 2: now to offer yourself one piece of advice the day

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Speaker 2: after the marathon trials, what do you tell yourself at

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Speaker 2: that hurdle.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, I guess because it's still like recent enough,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen how things played out after. But what

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Speaker 1: I'm telling myself right now and probably at the time,

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Speaker 1: is like, like I truly believe that, like if I

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Speaker 1: just keep working hard and like keep like training and

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Speaker 1: pushing myself. Yet, like that race didn go how I

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Speaker 1: wanted it to go, but I really do believe, like

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have more opportunities in my future and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna, like I keep saying this, I say this

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Speaker 1: to my husband all the time, but we work so

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Speaker 1: hard no matter what happens, we'll always land on our feet,

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Speaker 1: and so I do believe that, like things will work out,

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Speaker 1: things will be fine. Yeah, it was a bad day,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, that's life. So I'm optimistic for

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Speaker 1: future performances.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today, I am,

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Speaker 2: I really really really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me,

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Speaker 2: of course, how can the hurdlers keep up with you?

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Speaker 2: Give me the details.

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Speaker 1: So my Instagram is M underscore Assistant Underscore and that's

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Speaker 1: what I probably use the most, and then my Twitter's

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Speaker 1: am underscore assistant, but I'm definitely more like. Instagram is

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Speaker 1: my like social media outlet that I use the most.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I am over at Emily a

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Speaker 2: Body at Hurdle podcast. Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys

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Speaker 2: next time