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Speaker 1: Out podcast, Another week more football talk. I think we

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Speaker 1: are three weeks in four days officially away from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft because the draft starts on a Thursday, so

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Speaker 1: we've got three full weeks and then four days. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's right around the corner. We can't quite taste

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Speaker 1: I was watching Path through the Draft a little earlier

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Speaker 1: with with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's an exciting time of year. Uh, some stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: I think something was Zion the Duke basketball player. Just

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Speaker 1: the way we talk about them on social media, something

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Speaker 1: I used to do in scouting circles and I've tried

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Speaker 1: the Odell Beckham uh press conference today. Let's call it

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Speaker 1: what it is. The Browns are kind of rock stars

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Speaker 1: does that mean? You know, I've been apart not as

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Speaker 1: that I'm selling is just you know, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: if you're a good salesperson, just worry about selling. Don't

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Speaker 1: I'm going through it right now. I hopefully I get

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Speaker 1: of other players now, I'm like top ten locks, anyone

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Speaker 1: that wants to work you out, you'd be kind of

426
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Speaker 1: stupid to not work out. And I think when you're

427
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: gonna read about these guys coming on top thirty visits

428
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: sometimes to get a better feel for him. Sometimes it's

429
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: a smoke screen. Sometimes it's just you know, maybe a

430
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: coach wants to meet with the guy, maybe you know

431
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: a certain position coach or the head coach has a

432
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: question about the guy, and they just haven't spent enough

433
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Speaker 1: time with him. So I think there are various reasons

434
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna read why these teams are meeting with

435
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Speaker 1: these players. It's not like if you run Company X,

436
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: you can interview a guy all day long. The next day,

437
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: take him after the dinner, do whatever you want. There

438
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: are no rules, like there are some rules with this

439
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: stuff that are just industry protocol that you have to follow.

440
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: That can make this stuff a little complicated. And sometimes

441
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Speaker 1: I remember in Philly when we would bring potential first

442
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Speaker 1: round guys, we would have him talk with the owner,

443
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lourie wanted to meet him when they would come

444
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: on their top thirty visits. Now, if you bring in

445
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Speaker 1: a guy that you you like a lot, maybe that's

446
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Speaker 1: a third, fourth, fifth rounder, You're not only bring in

447
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: first rounders in those thirty visits. You'll bring in some

448
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: mid round guys. You'll bring in some guys that you

449
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: think might drop because the character concerns you want to

450
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: talk to the owners, not meeting with all those guys.

451
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you have a pretty you know, certain

452
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Speaker 1: probably teams and we had a pretty consistent operation. You

453
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: go to, you go to the position coach, you go

454
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: the head coach, you meet with the GM, you meet

455
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: with the doctors, you meet with the trainers. You know,

456
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: you just go on a pretty consistent cycle. Most teams

457
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. Some of these new teams, I

458
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: would say when I say new teams, new coaching staffs

459
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: can be at a little bit of a disadvantage though

460
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: they're kind of going on what they used to do

461
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: with their old head coach. Now in a lot of

462
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: these situations, the GM is still intact. Maybe they have

463
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: different ideas, but it can be kind of complicated because

464
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: you only have so much time to really get a

465
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: feel for these guys, and a lot of it is

466
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: based on asking other people. You don't get to spend

467
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: that much time, like to me and be crazy if

468
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: you really like the player and you were drafting really high,

469
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: to not you bring him in on top thirty visit,

470
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: but you'd also probably you know, especially there were any

471
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: questions with anything on him, if he was a pristine

472
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: character guy, and you had no questions, Like, you know,

473
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think there aren't that many prospects that

474
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: are like that, but you know, it's probably like last year,

475
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Speaker 1: like a quinnin you know, Quentin Nelson or ro Kuwan Smith.

476
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: Last year's crop, there were less questions on some of

477
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: the top players. It was just like kind of can't

478
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: miss type guys Sa Kwan Barkley. Now we didn't know

479
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: exactly where they were gonna go, but Kwan high character

480
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: guy produced. You know, we had known enough about Sa

481
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Kwan and I didn't need to spend that much time.

482
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Speaker 1: But a lot of guys in this draft, like Rashaan

483
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: Gary Montes Sweat, just a lot of guys you're still

484
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: trying to feel out. I would bring into my facility

485
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: and I would also go visit. You'd want to spend

486
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: as much time as humanly possible around the person because

487
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: we all know on an interview for the most part,

488
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Speaker 1: and you see this at the combine, if you only

489
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Speaker 1: get a fifteen minute spot with the guy, or even

490
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: if you go to their pro day and take them

491
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: out to dinner the night before, they're gonna be on

492
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Speaker 1: their best behavior. Like it's not, they're gonna be pretty

493
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: locked in. But if I get multiple days with the guy,

494
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: maybe I get a little bit truer insight into the

495
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: guy's character. Now, maybe I don't, because at the end

496
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: of the day, you can con people and you're still

497
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: deal with humans. It's it's very difficult. That's why hiring

498
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL and in any industry is is really difficult,

499
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: and it's why companies and teams and people miss on

500
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: other people all the time. You can't. There's like so

501
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: much you can measure, even in football, like I can't,

502
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: and there's a huge unknown. I'd say the biggest unknown

503
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Speaker 1: in football is that in the draft, if I draft

504
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Speaker 1: you in the top couple rounds, obviously, if I draft

505
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Speaker 1: you in the first round, I'm giving you an astronomical

506
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Speaker 1: amount of money. Even if I draft you in the

507
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Speaker 1: second round, I'm still giving you probably a seven figure bonus,

508
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: and your minimum salary is five six seven grand. You're

509
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: just base salary. Imagine you out of college doing whatever,

510
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: going to work for Wells Fargo or some tech company

511
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: and they immediately gave you a seven figure bonus, and

512
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: this is being a second rounder, and you still make

513
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: six hundred grand year one at one years old. I

514
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: guess you never know how people are going to react

515
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: to money. And that was a question we'd often talk

516
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: about in scouting rooms. I heard scouts talk about all

517
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: the time. It's one of the truly great unknowns that's

518
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: impossible to quantify. And I think what makes the draft

519
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: grade is every team on Thursday Night coming up in

520
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks is gonna be fired up for

521
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: their pick for the most part, and half the guys

522
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: are gonna turn out to be good players for whatever reasons.

523
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Speaker 1: And that's why I think we're so fascinated with the

524
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Speaker 1: draft because every year the same ship happens. Yet every

525
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: year we think like this is gonna be the year

526
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: my team nails it, and then they miss and then

527
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: you're furious, and it's just the cycle never ends. Okay,

528
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: let's bang out some questions for the Middlecoff mail bag.

529
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: Easiest way to get hold of me every week at

530
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff on Instagram. You slide up in those d

531
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Speaker 1: m s and I will answer your questions. I'm gonna

532
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fly through a bunch because I got a lot.

533
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers seems to be highly touted by the media

534
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: despite his age and some setbacks in two thousand eighteen.

535
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: As a Vikings fan, I've consistently paid attention to his

536
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: armed athletic ability every year, and I feel like he's

537
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: mistakenly being thrown into the top five conversation, how many

538
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do you have in front of him? Brady and

539
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: based on last year, I mean, Mahomes was better. Rogers

540
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: still pretty special. He did not have a great season.

541
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Weird ship was happening. McCarthy was a dead man walking

542
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: the whole year. He got hurt in the first game.

543
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I know. His stats actually at the end of the

544
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: year didn't look that terrible. He was not the same.

545
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: One big issue I've had with Rogers is forever because

546
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: of his elite arm strength. He was able to get

547
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: away with off platform throws because he could just he

548
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: was so accurate, and his feet weren't set well. His

549
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: fundamentals are shitty now. He was always the opposite of

550
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Brady and and Peyton and guys like that. He was

551
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: much more of kind of an ad libber, which he

552
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: could pull off. Same with Ben back in the day.

553
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: You know, Ben would run around Rogers really kind of

554
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: a a different version. But like Russell Wilson, like a

555
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: lot of his big time plays, doesn't necessarily come from

556
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: within the pocket. Well, your feet aren't usually set, and

557
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: last year, for the first time, he wasn't hitting plays

558
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: when his feet weren't consistently set in and outside the pocket,

559
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: and it killed him. Can this young coach who has

560
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: been an offensive coordinator for one year coach him up

561
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: and get him right, because I still think he's has

562
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: a great arm. But I'm with you, his his arm

563
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: strength is by no means, you know, as good as

564
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: it once was, but it's still pretty damn good. Like

565
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: it's still more than good enough to kick ass and

566
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: take names. I think this year is a big year

567
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: for him and just the franchise. They're paying him a

568
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: astronomical amount of money that he earned. I had no

569
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: problem with contract they gave him, But when you do

570
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: pay a guy that much cash, you need him to

571
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: be great, like you need him to be awesome, and

572
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: he just wasn't last year. What happens if Robbie Gold

573
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: doesn't sign his franchise tag, then, like Levian Bell, he

574
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: just won't play. I mean, he's either going to sign

575
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: it or not sign it. I mean, at this point,

576
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do not sign his franchise tag. I'm sorry,

577
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: but come on, your Robbie gold bro like, I just

578
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: all right, sign your franchise tag. You're a kicker. This

579
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: is it's April whatever, just sign your franchise tag. I

580
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: think he'll end up signing it now. Maybe he wants

581
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: like a two year deal, and I'd be fine with

582
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the Niners given him, you know, two years eight million,

583
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: how about two years nine million, four and a half

584
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: a year. I'd be good with that. But I also

585
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: think the franchise when you're a kicker, is a pretty

586
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: sign of you know, big sign of respect. Whenever it's

587
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: given out. That means a team views you as a

588
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: really good kicker. It also means they don't have anyone

589
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: else to pay. But to me, it does show that, like,

590
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: come on, man, we we view you in high regard.

591
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Here we're offering you. I think this number, I have

592
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: to google it, but I think it's like four and

593
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: a half million dollars. So I again, I do think

594
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: he's coming off two really good years. He wants I

595
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know, a long term deal, he's an older player,

596
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: but two years maybe two years ten million. I do that,

597
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: then I doesn't have anyone else to pay. I give

598
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: him two years ten million. It's like Robby, I'm not

599
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: giving you like three years twenty million. Still Robby Gold.

600
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're good, You're fine, but you're you're not

601
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: making or breaking us. Now, he might break you if

602
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: you're good. But if the team is not good, which

603
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: they think they're gonna be good. But if you are good,

604
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: usually need a good kicker. Could you rank the best

605
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: young edge rushers in the NFL today? That's a good question,

606
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: you know. I think if mackindonald are right on the

607
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: cusp of not being young guys anymore, you'd have to

608
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: put Joey Boso right there. You'd have to put Miles

609
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: Garrett right there. I mean, those are the two guys

610
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: that jump out. Chubb's coming off of what twelve or

611
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: thirteen sacks as a rookie shop, I mean, he'd have

612
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: to be right there. It looked like the Eagles a

613
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: couple of years ago with Derek Barnett was gonna be

614
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: a really good player. He got hurt last year. I

615
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: think he still has a good chance. Frank Clark is

616
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: still pretty young. He's a really good player. Uh, Deforge

617
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: a little older, Chris Jones a younger player. I mean

618
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: he's a badass. I guess he's not an edge player though,

619
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: trying to think of the three four outside linebackers. Floyd

620
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: with the with the Bears is pretty good player the

621
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys obviously, I think Lawrence a little older now he's

622
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: probably so, you know, I haven't watched Vic Beasley that much.

623
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I know he had a productive year a couple of

624
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: years ago. Really athletic speed rusher. Chandler Jones older, Uh,

625
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Washington Rinskins don't have anyone. Yeah, I mean I think

626
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: there's that group of of Chubb would be third, I

627
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: mean Bosa and uh, who am I forgetting? And Garrett

628
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty awesome. I'm probably forgetting someone. But just

629
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: just off the top of my head, just kind of

630
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: rapping here into a mic because literally it's what I

631
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: do talking to Mike. But that's a pretty good group.

632
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Boss is pretty sweet. When healthy, Chubb looks

633
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: like a dominant figure. And yeah, Frank Clark, there's there's

634
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: just a lot of good edge dressers in the NFL.

635
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: It looks like Harold Landry, the kid from Boston College

636
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: with the Titans. Is gonna be a really good player.

637
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: They drafted him last year in the second round. The

638
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Niners don't have anybody. Raiders definitely don't have anybody. Steelers.

639
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, JJ's brother is pretty good young player, t J. Watt.

640
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: T J Watts good trying to think of the teams

641
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: and like lead the league in sacks chiefs. I mean

642
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: they had older players, They had interior guys. There are

643
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: a lot of good interior past rushers right now too.

644
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: When I was in the NFL, you know, like the

645
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: early two thousand and ten, twos, eleven, twelve, she does

646
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: their team, there were it was a lot harder to find.

647
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: Like a lot of good interior guys came in the

648
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: league since then. You know, Fletcher was really young then,

649
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: he was not what he is now than Aaron Donald

650
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: came in the league to force Buckner came into the league,

651
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: Chris Jones came into the league. Just a lot of

652
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: sweet defensive tackles. McCoy was really young back then, came

653
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and I just kind of kicked ass

654
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: and taking names. I think we talked about how he

655
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Rose's Howie Roseman the most progressive thinking GM in the league.

656
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed with the moves the last two years

657
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: this offseason, especially related the trades contract terms. I feel

658
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: like he's trying to write a book on how to

659
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: transition a team from the steed rookie quarterback contract to

660
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: when you spend more to support him to the post

661
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: rookie contract. I agree that there they're still in the

662
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: sweet spot because you have to pay Wins this year, though,

663
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I think how he just knowing the way how he thinks.

664
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Being around him, you would love to pay Wins right

665
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: now if you could get him on like a five year,

666
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar, seventy million dollar guaranteed type deal, so

667
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: basically the Jimmy Garoppolo type contract where you get him cheaper.

668
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: But I think if you're Wins, you're like, screw that,

669
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back in m v P form and

670
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: just ask for stupid money. So I doubt a deal

671
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: gets done. I think he just let it play out.

672
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: You're not gonna let him go. But yeah, I mean,

673
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: how he's how he's as good as it gets. He's

674
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: as to me, he's one of the most unique people

675
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: I've ever been around, because he combines just super super aggressive.

676
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: That's he's just going seven ninety miles an hour with

677
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: being super smart like me, I hang my hat and

678
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: just aggression. I'm just gonna be very aggressive, very aggressive,

679
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: very persistent. But I'm not like Ivy league level mind.

680
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: He's just really really sharp and he's like the best

681
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: of both worlds. Now, he went to Fordham, Actually he

682
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: went to Florida. He went to He was actually Jed

683
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Fish's roommate in college. Who's now, what's Jed Fish is doing? Now?

684
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback coach for the for the Ramps. Think

685
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy. Two guys didn't play in a

686
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: in a dorm room together that ended up going on.

687
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: One guy became a Super Bowl winning GM and the

688
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: other guys had a pretty good career as a coach.

689
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Who shows you how small the world is. But yeah,

690
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: how he's just underrated. Part about how he too, And

691
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: I think back when the Chip Kelly kind of cut

692
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: him off at his legs that he didn't get enough respect.

693
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: And I saw this firsthand. He's been in the league

694
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: now like twenty years. You know what's he his early forties.

695
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: He's been the league since he was like twenty two.

696
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Or twenty three years old, so we've seen every player

697
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and unlike I think a lot of

698
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: stack guys. And I get he's a stat guy, but

699
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: he's also like a you know, a contract guy. But

700
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: he also watches a lot of tape, and he knows

701
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, and he does a lot of

702
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: character background information. So he I always thought he kind

703
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: of got undervalued in the scouting stuff because he did

704
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: work at it. He watched a lot of guys, he

705
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: liked being active and calling about those guys and digging

706
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: on dirt about those guys, and then he factored in

707
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: he was so good at matching up what their potential

708
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: contract would be with their production. Yeah, he's just he's

709
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: just a very very unique individual. Uh. I follow the

710
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: league really closely, and I don't think there's anyone quite

711
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: like him in the NFL. And just on a similar note,

712
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: like Bill, I I don't think there's anything when quite

713
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick. They're just certain people in the league

714
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: that are just unique and it gives them, you know,

715
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: an advantage. And I think how he is taking advantage

716
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: of these last three or four years, I mean ever

717
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: since they fired Chip, which you know, Chipped one of

718
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: the most overrated pro coaches. I think he's a good coach.

719
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: I think he's a good coach, not a great coach.

720
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: And I also think he's overrated now in college, as

721
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: I've said before, because what he does is no longer

722
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: a point of difference. Everyone goes fast, like Chip, what

723
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: are you doing? Gif? Certainly than everyone else. Everyone runs

724
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: the spread, everyone goes no huddle, everyone goes really fast.

725
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do different? Can you can you change?

726
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: Can you adapt? You're just gonna do the same thing

727
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over again? And Hill

728
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: His answer is, yeah, we're gonna keep doing the same

729
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: thing over and over again. And well, it's like, that's

730
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: probably why you won three games at u C. L

731
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: a hey John Quickpackers question with the team addressing the

732
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: edge rusher, safety and offensive line and free agency, what

733
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: would the ideal picks be at twelve and thirty? Well,

734
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: I think they definitely could use another skill guy. Now

735
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a skill guy gonna be

736
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: there at twelve, so you probably look defense. Could d

737
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Oliver fall there, could Devin White will be off the board?

738
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Could Devin Bush be there? The linebacker from Michigan. I

739
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: think they need a playmaking, speed defensive guy, whether that's

740
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman or whether that's a linebacker. And the

741
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: good thing in this draft, Uh, with Devin White out,

742
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: the board will be Devon Bush and then just maybe

743
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: a defensive end. Right. Uh they run a four they

744
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: run a three four defense. I guess with Mike Petton

745
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: off top my hand. Yeah, Uh, their defensive line is

746
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: not great. Clark kid from U C l A Is good,

747
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: but they could just use more explosion up front. So

748
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: I would say you can never have enough defensive lineman.

749
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: If one of the sweet linebackers falls there, you could

750
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: easily do that. And at thirty, I think you could

751
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: justify taking a wide receiver to put next to with

752
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: the I was number eighty three. I can't say his

753
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: name to me. He's a solid, rotational guy. Devonte is

754
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: a legit alpha. And then you get why not drafting

755
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: to Keel Harry or Keim Butler or a J. Brown,

756
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: a guy like that, and throw like you're all in

757
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, So why wouldn't you want to load up?

758
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: You just cut Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson's gone. You know,

759
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: you basically got Davonte and eight three. I like eighty three.

760
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Maybe take a tight end, but I would go skill

761
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: guy at thirty. How do you feel about Xavier Rose

762
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: and Mike Zimmer kind of going at it the last

763
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: couple of days, especially the trader rumors going around. You know,

764
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: I've been saying this for a while about Zimmer, like

765
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: that old school kind of parcels the in just crushed guys.

766
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if that works in two thousand nine. Yeah,

767
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: they paid him a lot of money and I guess

768
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: he I get he had a bad year last year,

769
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: but I just don't know if that's the way to

770
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: approach it. I mean, that is Zimmer's deal, but I

771
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: don't know, man. I mean, they're not going to trade him.

772
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: They drafted him high, they paid him. He is a

773
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: good player. Can you just talked to him off the media?

774
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Now you say Xavier Rose and Mike Zimmer, I don't

775
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: know all the details on this. If Xavier started it,

776
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: then I got no problem, Like if he said something

777
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: first and then Zimmer responded, Because I saw Zimmer's quote

778
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: at the owner's meeting, which again I thought was unnecessary. Now,

779
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: if Xavier basically clapped back to what Mike Zimmer said.

780
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't blame him because I would have to, like you,

781
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: just the old school asshole move through the media to

782
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: me is just sometimes it's unnecessary now just I don't know,

783
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: text him right, just tell him to come to your

784
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: office when he's in town. Talked to him. Where do

785
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: you think Gronk ranks some months all time tight ends? Also,

786
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: now that he's gone, who's the guy at tight end

787
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: in the league? In my opinion, Gronk's the best tight

788
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: end I've ever seen. Now, I didn't see Bivaro really

789
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: with the Giants. Tony Gonzalez was pretty special, but he

790
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily a blocker. If you remember all those years,

791
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: forget the guy's name, the biggest dude they had in

792
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Kansas City, they always had a blocking tight end. I

793
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: would say Tony Gonzalez the best pass catching tight end ever.

794
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: To me, Gronk's the best overall tight end ever. So

795
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: I I have Gronk one, I'd have Tony Gonzalez too,

796
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: And I know Tony's career was longer, but let's call

797
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: it what it is. And this is not all Tony's fault.

798
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: It's not really Tony's fault at all. But Gronk just

799
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: played on some of the most memorable teams of my life, Like,

800
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean in just anyone's football watching life. Like he

801
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: was a part of one of the greatest dynasties we've

802
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: ever seen, and he made some of the biggest plays.

803
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: I read the staff last week that his playoff numbers

804
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: his He played sixteen playoff games, so he basically play

805
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: a regular season worth the playoff games and eighty one

806
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: catches in twelve touchdowns and over eleven hundred yards. So

807
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: he's the greatest playoff tight end ever. Again some of that,

808
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, he just happened to be drafted by the Patriots,

809
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: but I'd go him one. I'd go Gates too. You know,

810
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. Kellyn Winslow Jr's the Ozzy Newsoms.

811
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are special in my lifetime. Uh,

812
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates is pretty freaking awesome. I mean, he's a

813
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer, And I think if you

814
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: had to go guys in the league right now, Kelsey

815
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: and Earths are the two best pass catching tight ends.

816
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: They're basically uncoverable. No one can cover them. It looks

817
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: like and I tried to pump the brakes around where

818
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: I live last year on George Kittle, but ship, he

819
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: had an incredible season and he's closer to Gronk and

820
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: he's the best blocking tight end not named Gronkowski in

821
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the league. He's a beast and he's a freak athlete,

822
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: and he's just like a guy's guy. You see him

823
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: on like barstool slamming beers. But he's pretty good. I

824
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: think when he got Earth's you got you know, Kelsey

825
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: probably be one urge to just because those guys are

826
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: basically enormous slot receivers. Kelsey, Kelsey's an okay blockers can't

827
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: block at all. We're kindles the most complete tight end.

828
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: So I think that's a pretty good, pretty good trio.

829
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: And the guy that Stephen as guy Hunter Henry before

830
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: he got hurt, right, I thought he was pretty sweet.

831
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: So if he can come back of what he was,

832
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: he's a pretty badass tight end. What do you think

833
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: an ideal Raiders draft looks like for the first three rounders.

834
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: I think the best defensive lineman on the board, So

835
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: whether that's probably gonna be Quinn and Williams or Josh Allen.

836
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Just take one of those two guys, whoever you like

837
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: the most, and really probably only one of the two

838
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: of them is gonna be off the board if Kyler

839
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: and Bosa go one. And then with your two picks,

840
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: I think take a skill guy, whether that's a wide

841
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: receiver or a tight end. Probably with Jared Cook leaving

842
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: would be more likely a tight end. And then I

843
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 1: think you'd go several directions. I think you could draft

844
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: a corner. I think you could draft another defensive lineman

845
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: if somehow one of the linebackers were to fall, that's

846
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: pretty unrealistic. I corner would definitely be one of the

847
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Speaker 1: two positions I would take in the twenties. Then you

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Speaker 1: get a young corner to go with Gary on Conley,

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Speaker 1: you got Carl Joseph, you signed LaMarcus Joyner. All of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you go, damn, I got you know, Byron Murphy,

851
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Speaker 1: Gary on Conley, Karl Joseph, and LaMarcus Joyner. That's a

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Speaker 1: decent backfield. Now you could also say, let's take Quinny

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Speaker 1: Williams and then let's draft another defensive lineman in the

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Speaker 1: twenties and take you know, one of the two tight

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Speaker 1: ends from Iowa. I wouldn't hate that either. Good thing

856
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Speaker 1: is when you've got three first round picks, which I

857
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Speaker 1: don't know this, someone have to fact check this on me,

858
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Speaker 1: but might be a record for they might have the

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Speaker 1: record for most picks in the top thirty five and

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Speaker 1: draft history going into a draft. I mean, they got

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Speaker 1: four picks in the top thirty five, so draft good players.

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Speaker 1: It's in fairness to the Raiders if they have a

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Speaker 1: really good draft, just be as they have so many

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Speaker 1: freaking high picks. It's not crazy to think that they

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Speaker 1: could be competitive in two thousand nineteen. It's hard because

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Speaker 1: the division is really good, but I I you could

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Speaker 1: definitely say, well, what if they get Quinnin Williams, Greedy

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Speaker 1: Williams and Noah Fant and two of those guys are

869
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Speaker 1: like all rookie performers, and then they draft you know,

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Speaker 1: a running back could pick thirty five, that's really good.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, damn boy, yeah, they could bounce back.

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Speaker 1: Got a mail back question for you. Let's say that

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't draft Kyler Murray first overall, where does

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Speaker 1: he get drafted and what other teams would be interested?

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Speaker 1: My problem with this hypothetical is I think it's borderline

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Speaker 1: impossible for them not to get drafted. And if they

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Speaker 1: didn't take him, let's say they traded back. I think

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Speaker 1: he's going number one overall. I think the Raiders would

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Speaker 1: come up and get him. I think the Jacksonville jack

880
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I guess they drafted fulls. Probably not. The Dolphins would

881
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: be crazy not to the the Giants. I know they

882
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: hate small quarterbacks, but maybe. Yeah, you're right. I mean

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Speaker 1: my problem with is hypothetical because you're right the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the Giants, there were some teams, but they're a little

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Speaker 1: farther down. I just think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna take them. What if it What

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Speaker 1: if Belichick came up from thirty two to one and

888
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Speaker 1: got out the right pretty sweet. That did not happen either.

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Speaker 1: For the mail bag, John loves your analysis perspective. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know me too well. Now that we got out

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00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: of the way, the concerned about p I rules, I've

892
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: heard no one talk about this. With the league moving

893
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: toward offense, we see that what I fear is dangerous

894
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: is that we will see star receivers get the calls

895
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: more often like NBA players at the end of games,

896
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: Like if we see a play with Julio or O'Dell,

897
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: do we really think they're gonna get favored late in games.

898
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm for an adjustment with these penalties, but this is

899
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: too extreme. Thanks for your time. The difference is if

900
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: you're watching Steph Courier James Harden and they get fat

901
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: out and there's a no call or there is a

902
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: foul call, you can't challenge that. In the NBA, that

903
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: either the call or the no call stands. In the NFL,

904
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: if Julio blatantly pushes off, let's say, and catches a

905
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: touchdown fifty yards to win the game, and you're the

906
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: opposing coach and you challenge it. If if the video

907
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 1: evidence is there, they're gonna have to change the call,

908
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: assuming you have a challenge in your pocket. Now, I

909
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: don't think there's one thing that's interesting and someone DM

910
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: me about this. I know Colin and different people are

911
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: freaking out, like about the past interference on Hail Mary.

912
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: I thought there are no challenges within two minutes. It

913
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Speaker 1: has to go to the booth. So I'm not a

914
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Speaker 1: big rules expert, so I don't know if you can

915
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: like wait for the booth to review past interference. That's

916
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a little complicated. I'm I don't I don't

917
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: have enough information. That might just be kind of learning

918
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: on the fly how that all works. But I I

919
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily gonna matter, like Julio or Dell

920
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: if the plays the play, if there's blatant pass interference,

921
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Speaker 1: whether it's Josh Norman, whether it's Richard Sherman, whether it's O'Dell,

922
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: whether it's Julio, I don't think it's gonna matter because

923
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be blatant on the TV screen, especially

924
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: on like a Sunday or Monday night game. We're all

925
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: gonna be watching, so it's gonna be hard to Now.

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Speaker 1: I think you could probably argue that there have been

927
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Speaker 1: a lot of calls that we've all been watching, that

928
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Speaker 1: we're overturned or upheld, that we go what. So I

929
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: guess you never know. That's what makes this kind of fun.

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00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: I guess, John Longtimes Browns fan, what do you think

931
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: is realistic outlook for them this season? I talked about

932
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier, but let's see it, And

933
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: what's your take on all this hype, especially from people

934
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Speaker 1: like John Hardball with his comments about Cleveland being the

935
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: team to beat in the NFC North. Do you think

936
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Speaker 1: it's sincere from Hardball or just trying to distract. I

937
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: think it's probably a combination of both. I think there's

938
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Speaker 1: a little gamesmanshipped from him. I mean, he's a hardball,

939
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: But I also think it's he's not being disingenuous. You go,

940
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: how many good players they have? I don't know, Dell Baker,

941
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb Jarvis, Myles Garrett, Uh, who am I missing?

942
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: They just got Denzel Award, Like, they got really good players,

943
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: and I think on paper their top If you think

944
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Baker is gonna keep getting better and be a really

945
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: good player, their team on paper is absolutely stacked. If

946
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Speaker 1: Baker becomes a consistent top ten quarterback, how are they

947
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: not gonna have one of the best offenses in the league. Right.

948
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's a little bit of hype.

949
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Speaker 1: But I also think the league just I've been in league,

950
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, draft rooms and GM's offices. They just have rosters.

951
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: They they're looking at players on every team. They know

952
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: what teams look good and what teams don't. So I

953
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: I think they're I don't think he's being disingenuous. Now,

954
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: he may be messing with them a little bit, trying

955
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: to get them to read their own press clippings, but

956
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: I think if he went, you know what, the Arizona

957
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: Cardinals are the team to beat in the NFC West.

958
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: People like John Harriball, what are you talking about? But

959
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: when he goes to, yeah, the Browns team to beat

960
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: in this division? Is that the right thing to say?

961
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: You could argue, like John, they've had two winning season

962
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: thirty years. But on paper, right, they're better than the

963
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: They're better than uh Lamar Jackson Led Ravens. I'll promise

964
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: you that they're better in the Bengals. The argument would

965
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: be the Steelers and their culture and if they can

966
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: bounce back, but probably better in the Steelers. I know

967
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: Levian didn't play, but they lost Antonio Brown last time

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00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: I checked Antonio and fifteen touchdowns last year, not like

969
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: five or six, fifteen, So that fifteen is now gone.

970
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: That's a pretty big hole to make up for. So yeah,

971
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: I think they're the team to beat on paper. Now

972
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: foot it's football, so anything could happen on the field,

973
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: but on paper, I think it's fair to say. If

974
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: you assume Baker's gonna keep up as high level of play.

975
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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Thanks for shooting me your d m

976
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: s on Instagram, open book here, fire me, reach out

977
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: whenever you want. Talk to you later the this week, godspeed,

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Speaker 1: peace out, see you