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Speaker 1: Now your host, Nicole Hutchison, What.
Speaker 3: Up, Cowboys Nation? Welcome in the Girls Talk Boys Talk Off.
Speaker 4: Season of Edition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we can call it off season edition.
Speaker 3: Screw it all right? Presented by invisil Line. Nicole hedcheson
Speaker 3: here alongside Asia Warrison and Jess Navarez.
Speaker 4: How y'all doing, ladies?
Speaker 2: Were here? Good?
Speaker 4: Oh my god? Thank you Jazz right on time.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm a little sleepy.
Speaker 5: Ah, we're good. We're getting ready from the storm. Yeah,
Speaker 5: come literally bundle up.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm just not made for this kind of weather, So
Speaker 2: when it's cold, I'm just I just hate it, every
Speaker 2: second of it. Actually, I know one thing.
Speaker 4: We also hate the fact that the season's over so soon.
Speaker 2: I also hate that.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it real fast. We can keep it
Speaker 3: short and sweet in the first segment, because we do
Speaker 3: have to talk about it. The Washington Commanders came here
Speaker 3: in at and T Stadium and left with a win.
Speaker 3: So the Cowboys split the season. Split the matchup head
Speaker 3: to head series this year one to one.
Speaker 4: The Commanders take the win twenty three to nineteen. On Sunday,
Speaker 4: Thoughts about the game, I'll start with you, Jess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was. It was probably the most
Speaker 2: entertaining game of the day that day. That's for dang
Speaker 2: shirt literally coming down the last few seconds there. You know.
Speaker 2: Going into that game, I was interested to see a
Speaker 2: few things, specifically with the younger guys and get some
Speaker 2: questions answered that we all had, and surrounding Trey Lance specifically,
Speaker 2: so I'm glad we have more of a sample size
Speaker 2: to base off of, you know, the kind of quarterback
Speaker 2: he is and where improvement still lies. But overall, I mean,
Speaker 2: the guys didn't stop fighting, so I will say that
Speaker 2: the guys were still showing some fight. So I wish
Speaker 2: it would have been a want a win to cap
Speaker 2: off the season, but it is what it is. The
Speaker 2: season couldn't have ended soon enough. I just wanted everybody
Speaker 2: to get out of their healthy go into the off
Speaker 2: season and start working for next year.
Speaker 4: Really a second that sister.
Speaker 2: Take some time off first though, take some time off,
Speaker 2: enjoy their enjoy their personal life with their families who
Speaker 2: don't get to see them all year, and then get
Speaker 2: to work. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, in regard to the game, I thought that
Speaker 5: Dallas came out, they were aggressive. We saw some good
Speaker 5: things early and then in the second half of the game.
Speaker 5: Which we've seen with them is that they weren't able
Speaker 5: to continue that offensively and Washington was able to figure
Speaker 5: out some things offensively. The Cowboys defensive line gave them
Speaker 5: fits six sacts on the day. I mean, Michael Parsons
Speaker 5: had two in the first couple of possessions, so that
Speaker 5: just lets you know it was probably gonna be a
Speaker 5: long day. But Washington made adjustments, and after making those adjustments,
Speaker 5: Dallas took away to Terry McLaurin for a whole half
Speaker 5: like and then they came out in the second half.
Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury does what a good offensive coordinator did and
Speaker 5: found favorable matchups. So they just kind of chipped away
Speaker 5: at the Cowboys and then towards the end you saw
Speaker 5: it just breaking and that's just that's just a good ball.
Speaker 5: But it's just a great ball. By Jay and Daniels,
Speaker 5: a really good catch by Terry McLaurin, and you just
Speaker 5: can't play it any better.
Speaker 4: So for me, you look at the.
Speaker 5: Things that happened, the penalties and stuff like that that
Speaker 5: put them in position. It's just very, very representative of
Speaker 5: kind of what the season has been.
Speaker 3: Yep, almost there, almost there, the mistakes, the costly in
Speaker 3: the end, but I mean, it's just them shooting themselves
Speaker 3: in the foot. And let me go ahead and put
Speaker 3: this disclaimer out there because I know y'all probably look
Speaker 3: at me crazy on this podcast.
Speaker 4: Yes, No, I went to the dinners this morning talking about.
Speaker 2: So you were doing so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good, but it just felt weird, like by
Speaker 3: talking weird, so like it don't look it weird, but
Speaker 3: it is weird weird, Thank goodness. Okay, why do you
Speaker 3: have to feel like I had to put that disclaimer
Speaker 3: out there?
Speaker 5: But anyway, it's given the joke, it's given the joker.
Speaker 3: Why that's crazy, that's.
Speaker 5: I can't smirk, y'all so serious?
Speaker 4: So mean, Oh my, I'm joking, And that's how I founded.
Speaker 3: No, you don't.
Speaker 5: Look crazy at all.
Speaker 4: We just messed with you. I was trying to do
Speaker 4: my snork and I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Yourself.
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do working? It's not working.
Speaker 2: Not your eyes watering because you're trying.
Speaker 3: I can't do it and it's irritating me.
Speaker 2: All do it.
Speaker 3: You can do it. Back on track. Sorry that out there.
Speaker 3: I think it.
Speaker 4: It's more so just like the theme of the season,
Speaker 4: and we've talked about it so many times.
Speaker 3: Is that the mistakes backfired them every single time, whether
Speaker 3: it's in third quarter, final seconds as it did against Washington.
Speaker 3: But I liked the way that Trey Lance had a
Speaker 3: command of the offense. That was something that I wanted
Speaker 3: to see in a regular season game. We saw it
Speaker 3: in the preseason where he was obviously still trying to
Speaker 3: there was some nervousness preseason, but I feel like he
Speaker 3: was confident, And I think I mentioned it last week
Speaker 3: on the podcast, was that the guys were starting to
Speaker 3: instill that confidence in him, making sure that his.
Speaker 4: Mental was right going in. So I feel like he
Speaker 4: was good mentally.
Speaker 3: It was just them shooting themselves in the freaking foot
Speaker 3: every single time.
Speaker 2: Well, and when you put your quarterback behind the sticks constantly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just makes it ten times harder to come back,
Speaker 2: especially a quarterback who hadn't played a regular season game.
Speaker 2: And what was it like for one hundred and eighty days?
Speaker 2: Eight hundred forty Oh yeah, yeah, eight hundred and forty
Speaker 2: even more, But see him clearly tied to that, That's okay.
Speaker 2: But you know what I really enjoyed was seeing his
Speaker 2: connection with the younger receivers that I feel like he's
Speaker 2: been getting a lot of work in in those practice
Speaker 2: reps that we always talk about that are so limited
Speaker 2: and really numbers wise, it's maybe like eight reps per practice,
Speaker 2: if not per week that your third string quarterback is getting.
Speaker 2: And so it's been valuable for him to see Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush kind of move up into that one spot and
Speaker 2: get even more of those reps. And you can kind
Speaker 2: of see that because not only did he have the
Speaker 2: connection with the younger guys like Jonathan Mingo, but you
Speaker 2: saw that really with Jalen Tolbert, Jalen Brooks, Hunter Lipkey,
Speaker 2: Rico Daudele. He was definitely showing that confidence and to
Speaker 2: be fair, everybody was his receivers, everybody, his backs were
Speaker 2: showing confidence within him as well as the quarterback, and
Speaker 2: you could see that I will say something I did
Speaker 2: notice was the work was a little sloppy. I was
Speaker 2: just being very nitpicky again because we're there to evaluate
Speaker 2: the kind of job he did. But those quick short passes,
Speaker 2: I mean he was going one read and passing it
Speaker 2: down and just short passes. It was working. But I
Speaker 2: really hope now the conversation of Trey Lance not being
Speaker 2: a viable backup in this league can kind of start
Speaker 2: to silence. I'd like to see more of him. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that'll be here or somewhere else, but
Speaker 2: I do think what he showed was good to get
Speaker 2: on tape to be a viable backup in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you something.
Speaker 3: Do y'all feel like if Trey Lance would have started
Speaker 3: a couple of games prior to Week eighteen, that he
Speaker 3: would have showed something.
Speaker 4: Better than Cooper Rush? Yes, what do you have been
Speaker 4: the better option?
Speaker 5: Yes? I mean, with respect, I appreciate what Cooper Rush
Speaker 5: does for you.
Speaker 4: As an offense.
Speaker 5: He is one hundred percent the epitome of and I
Speaker 5: know it gets a negative connotation, but it's not a
Speaker 5: bad thing. He's a game manager. He is going to
Speaker 5: do He's gonna run that offense. He's not gonna do
Speaker 5: a lot of improvising. He's going to be on script.
Speaker 5: He's gonna be on Q and he's gonna make he's
Speaker 5: gonna move the offensive long along. Trey Lance is somebody
Speaker 5: that when when offenses looking with defenses look at him,
Speaker 5: they have to account for multiple things he can do.
Speaker 5: Now to just this point, I thought that the game
Speaker 5: plan favored him. They did a lot of things to
Speaker 5: cut the field in half. And what I mean by
Speaker 5: that is like rollouts, boots, waggles, things where he's on
Speaker 5: the move, because he does that well. He still is
Speaker 5: developing pocket presence touch because there were a couple of
Speaker 5: times there were some missed opportunities in that game in
Speaker 5: the red zone where he's missing guys or he's just
Speaker 5: putting too much on it and it's and it's hard.
Speaker 5: It's difficult as a guy.
Speaker 4: That has the.
Speaker 5: Arm talent that he has to gain control of the
Speaker 5: weapon that he has because the arm is just a cannon, right.
Speaker 5: So the things that I would hope he would continue
Speaker 5: to work on is going through his progressions like like
Speaker 5: we talked about, like he talked about Jess, and also
Speaker 5: to just delivering the ball more accurately, and that to
Speaker 5: your point, Nicole, takes time, and it takes repetition, it
Speaker 5: takes chemistry with the receivers he's playing with as well.
Speaker 5: But I do think we got to see that he
Speaker 5: can get better from practice, and if he can get
Speaker 5: better from practice, he should be able to get better from.
Speaker 4: Playing actual reps.
Speaker 5: And so for me, I walked away from it saying,
Speaker 5: this guy can be your backup next year. There's no
Speaker 5: reason why he can't be your backup next year. I mean,
Speaker 5: if he chooses to be, if they choose to bring
Speaker 5: him up, that's all up to them. What I'm saying
Speaker 5: is is that if he continues to grow and he
Speaker 5: continues to get you talk about training camp.
Speaker 4: If he's not splitting.
Speaker 5: Reps with Cooper Rush, what type of player are we
Speaker 5: gonna start seeing? And he is a he can do
Speaker 5: a lot of things that excite you. But also to
Speaker 5: one thing I noticed was how I felt like they
Speaker 5: looked faster. And what I mean by that, it's him
Speaker 5: getting people the ball on the move, getting Jaylen Tope
Speaker 5: with the ball on the move. The ball's not late,
Speaker 5: the ball's on time, so guys can get run after
Speaker 5: catch opportunities. I think that's some of what we got
Speaker 5: to see with him that we haven't gotten to see
Speaker 5: with Cooper Rush as much.
Speaker 4: So there was something I'm so sorry, No, you're okay.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, like your to answer your
Speaker 2: question of would he be the more viable option, I
Speaker 2: think it depends on what kind of offense you want
Speaker 2: it to run, A right right like because here's the
Speaker 2: thing too, this is such a domino effect of a
Speaker 2: question because the way I see it is, yes, he
Speaker 2: can be a viable backup with more practice, more work,
Speaker 2: more game time, reps preseason would be nice to see
Speaker 2: more of. But it's also going to depend on how
Speaker 2: Dak comes back from this injury, if he's going to
Speaker 2: be mobile still, if he's gonna be a little more immobile,
Speaker 2: more of a pocket quarterback, Because if you're going to
Speaker 2: run this offense with Trey Lance, you want him to
Speaker 2: use his mobility, you want him to use his legs,
Speaker 2: And truly, your backup quarterback has to replicate the game
Speaker 2: plan a little more watered down than what your starting
Speaker 2: quarterback is doing. I don't want it to have to
Speaker 2: limit trade using his legs less because of the game
Speaker 2: plan that would favor DAK. Now Cooper Rush is obviously,
Speaker 2: I think the more conservative pocket quarterback that you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily have to plan any kind of any kind of
Speaker 2: mobility with And truly like, we don't know what the
Speaker 2: surgery will do for Dak going forward, So I think
Speaker 2: it just one it depends on the coach's vision of
Speaker 2: what this offense is going to be, how much you
Speaker 2: want a mobile quarterback. But also I think what they
Speaker 2: really wanted to emphasize, and Trey could have done it
Speaker 2: as well, was the run game, specifically with Rico and
Speaker 2: amping that up. So I think if Trey was in
Speaker 2: you might have seen a little less of that a
Speaker 2: little bit more with him being mobile. But it's just
Speaker 2: such a tangled web of we don't knows and to
Speaker 2: be determined because you're how Cooper Rush and I have
Speaker 2: talked about the backup quarterback position is your backup quarterback
Speaker 2: has to emulate what your starting quarterback does in a
Speaker 2: little bit of a watered down position so that it's
Speaker 2: not so much of a change and you can change
Speaker 2: it on the dime when needed. Trey Lance, I just
Speaker 2: feel like if he wants to be a mobile quarterback,
Speaker 2: this might not be the system based on your veteran
Speaker 2: quarterback coming back from an injury like he did to
Speaker 2: have to cap his mobility and his potential in that
Speaker 2: aspect of his game.
Speaker 5: If Dak is capping his mobility, he's doing a disservice
Speaker 5: to his game. And I really hope that he takes
Speaker 5: the time to improve his flexibility, improve you know, some
Speaker 5: of those things, because he's always been kind of a
Speaker 5: stiff player. I mean, just being honest. His lower half
Speaker 5: has just always been kind of stiff. And that's why
Speaker 5: you see him really focus on his hips, open up
Speaker 5: his hips.
Speaker 2: We seen the.
Speaker 5: Dag dance a few years ago. That is for him
Speaker 5: to open up his hips because they're tight, like that's
Speaker 5: just a.
Speaker 2: Part of him.
Speaker 5: He's very strong, not very flexible. I'm hoping that he
Speaker 5: takes the time in the off season too. I'm really
Speaker 5: curious to see how he retools and rebuilds his body
Speaker 5: because his mobility is so important to what he does.
Speaker 5: And I mean, on the flip side of things, when
Speaker 5: you look at Marcus Mariota, what he did to you
Speaker 5: in that game, he I mean disrespectful, like what it
Speaker 5: was really it.
Speaker 4: Was, honestly, the Cowboys making them.
Speaker 5: Look well, and I think and I think that they
Speaker 5: were on their heels because you game plan for Jayde Daniels.
Speaker 5: You didn't game plan for Marcus Marioda and come out
Speaker 5: there and start doing all that run around like a
Speaker 5: little rabbit.
Speaker 2: Literally, he was justopping around.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, let me not y'all go do
Speaker 5: y'all say as a favorite, go look at Marcus Marioda
Speaker 5: playing with the Falcons last year and tell me that
Speaker 5: Trey Lance can't do that. I'm just being straight up
Speaker 5: with you. So for me, I agree with you. I
Speaker 5: agree with you that it does need to be some
Speaker 5: synergy and like how you do things. But I am
Speaker 5: like Dak needs to be mobile, maybe not as mobiles
Speaker 5: Trae LANs, because he's.
Speaker 2: Not the He's also a young you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He's not the athlete.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that Dak needs to just run all
Speaker 5: the time, but the r P O run action game,
Speaker 5: it's what has made him who he is and.
Speaker 4: That's when he was using his mobility. Yes, last year.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to Trey Lance though, because
Speaker 3: something that I also noticed was that where I didn't
Speaker 3: see it with Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: Was that if, for example, he threw a ball to.
Speaker 3: Brandon Cook's, I believe Cooks had dropped it, but he
Speaker 3: still went back to him. And that was multiple plays
Speaker 3: where he still saw that still trying to continue that
Speaker 3: trust or show that there were still trust between the.
Speaker 4: Quarterback and the receiver.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why Jaalen Tolbert had his best
Speaker 3: game in my opinion, Do y'all think Jalen Tolbert has
Speaker 3: his best game this season? Oh?
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, but he's just great and scrambled drill.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 5: One thing about Jaylen Tobert that I like about him,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure Dak appreciates about him, is that when
Speaker 5: plays break down, he has made plays in scrambled drill
Speaker 5: and quarterbacks love that. They love the guy that's gonna
Speaker 5: keep working for them, keep trying coming back to the ball.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's something that Jalen Tobert does well.
Speaker 5: It helped out Trey Lance when he was scrambling a
Speaker 5: couple times in his game, and obviously they were able
Speaker 5: to get some explosive of impositive place from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean statistically ninety eight yards, that's great that's
Speaker 2: great to see from JT. But also I feel like
Speaker 2: it was a product of his progression within the last
Speaker 2: month of you know him kind of. I don't want
Speaker 2: to say he was down on himself. I haven't had
Speaker 2: a conversation with him as of recent but there was
Speaker 2: a moment there where you kind of saw the confidence
Speaker 2: being shaken within the game time reps and within this
Speaker 2: last month, I feel like he has been a solid
Speaker 2: quarterback friendly player, obviously being impactful in the red zone
Speaker 2: and being a good red zone target for both Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush and well Trey Lance was trying. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's at the end of the day, like I just
Speaker 2: feel like JT's progression will just get better and better,
Speaker 2: and he has the work ethic to make him more coachable.
Speaker 2: I just wish, you know, the And this doesn't even
Speaker 2: just go for GT, but the development of these younger
Speaker 2: receivers tight ends back were a little bit more further
Speaker 2: along than where they are right now.
Speaker 3: We're y'all happy to see due action.
Speaker 5: I was ecstatic and pissed off, Yeah, because why because
Speaker 5: why you don't have like this team does not the
Speaker 5: offense doesn't have like juice speed. Yep, That's why when
Speaker 5: you see Turpin it feels different, like you can see
Speaker 5: the difference and when he hits the hole when they're
Speaker 5: using when they're using them out the backfield or giving
Speaker 5: him direct snaps and stuff. It's just it just feels
Speaker 5: different and duce bond like the way that he just
Speaker 5: hits the hole when he sees it. Just yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 5: it's frustrating to say the least, even with Hunter Lipkey,
Speaker 5: even getting to see Hunter Lipkey, who is a running back.
Speaker 5: I understand he does fullback things, he is a running back.
Speaker 5: The fact that like this stuff wasn't happening through the
Speaker 5: season is baffling to me. What's what? And I understand
Speaker 5: they had to count because of inies in the cornerback
Speaker 5: room and this played and stay inactives and stuff, but
Speaker 5: this running back room could have been so much more versatile,
Speaker 5: It could have been so much more difficult to plan for.
Speaker 5: And seeing them run the ball and the office some
Speaker 5: lives have gotten better, But seeing them run the ball,
Speaker 5: I was happy.
Speaker 4: It ticked me off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, I'm like, oh, exciting, But why did
Speaker 2: it take so long to see this? Because to me, yes,
Speaker 2: technically or playoff chances ended what two weeks ago. Very
Speaker 2: technically that's two more weeks he could have gotten reps
Speaker 2: if you felt like you were trying to play to
Speaker 2: win at that point. And yes, just make Rico your
Speaker 2: your bell cow, I think is what they called him.
Speaker 2: But I also don't get it because Cooper Rush is
Speaker 2: an experienced enough veteran backup quarterback that can handle those
Speaker 2: kind of packages. Yeah, that's I guess that's why it's
Speaker 2: so frustrating too, because it makes you think, what if
Speaker 2: would you even have seen that if Dak was still
Speaker 2: healthy and in don't. I don't know, but it's again
Speaker 2: under utilizing this talent that you have on the roster
Speaker 2: that might not be Like, why not at that point
Speaker 2: and especially throughout the game? Yes, I wanted to see
Speaker 2: more Rico, but also why not put Duce in interchangeably
Speaker 2: with Rico during this game? And to your point about
Speaker 2: Hunter Lifkey, I literally tweeted Hunter Lipkey sighting because it
Speaker 2: just felt like too long, too damn long since we
Speaker 2: had seen any kind of package, specifically for this versatile player.
Speaker 2: And he's a guy that at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 2: during training camp even we were all talking about seeing
Speaker 2: him get working and where was all that? Like, I
Speaker 2: understand your quarterback got injured, but I just feel like
Speaker 2: Cooper Rush hasn't has enough experience as a quarterback to
Speaker 2: implement those things into his game, and so I'm not
Speaker 2: sure the play calling was really in uh their favor
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that Hunter Luky only had twelve carries
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: For thirty eight.
Speaker 5: Years, crazy, he's been an extension of your offensive line.
Speaker 4: And that's it. And that's just.
Speaker 2: Like, there's just no reason for it.
Speaker 5: There's no reason why we couldn't have more opportunities. And
Speaker 5: I get it, don't get me wrong. I get Rico
Speaker 5: kind of started late, quote unquote in a way of
Speaker 5: being the starter. But what makes other teams good is
Speaker 5: that they have the committee. And the committee again is
Speaker 5: for rest and all that stuff, but it's also to
Speaker 5: change the picture. It's also to change what the defense
Speaker 5: has to do to defend you, because I'm telling you, you
Speaker 5: can see it on film like they didn't even know.
Speaker 5: They didn't even know when Deuce was like escaping, like
Speaker 5: when he was finishing runs because you can't see him
Speaker 5: sometimes and I'm just like you to make you laugh.
Speaker 2: On the broadcast when you were hearing the I think
Speaker 2: it's Mark Sanchez talk about him. It's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: his size, And I was like, boy, we're so past
Speaker 2: that conversation.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, we saw him do some things.
Speaker 2: You can utilize it to your advantage, to your point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we saw him do some things in past pro
Speaker 5: as well. You know something that people have, you know,
Speaker 5: ridiculed him a boud. He sacrificed his body multiple times
Speaker 5: in that game.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Next season.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, we're gonna put that the whole game
Speaker 3: to bed, right, and then we're gonna good night.
Speaker 4: At first, take our first break after the raak. We're
Speaker 4: gonna touch on Mike McCarthy.
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Speaker 2: Always always, always first on it with the insights and
Speaker 2: the really good comeback. Sometimes I'm like, oh, absolutely fun.
Speaker 3: He tweeted out that one day after the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 3: obviously they sought out permission to interview.
Speaker 4: Cowboys head coach.
Speaker 3: Well, that contract comes to an end soon, but current
Speaker 3: head coach still Michael McCarthy, uh to interview him still
Speaker 3: one day after that, so today they still have not
Speaker 3: heard a response. But again I think that we should
Speaker 3: note that we do not know any updates on whether
Speaker 3: or not McCarthy's agent is negotiating with the front office.
Speaker 4: Currently, we don't know anything.
Speaker 2: This is just the.
Speaker 4: Tweets that we see, so we have to.
Speaker 3: Talk about it. Yeah, just let me ask you something.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy back for another year. If he's not back,
Speaker 3: what are the coach out there? Do you feel y'all
Speaker 3: have confidence in coming in and let's say, establishing the
Speaker 3: same type of culture here.
Speaker 2: Is there anybody that Chelsea Damn Quinn, No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: That was a joke. I'm that little kid that's like
Speaker 2: with the microphone. He's like starts crying. That's me when
Speaker 2: I talk about this. No, if you're talking about this
Speaker 2: exact culture, yeah, probably not anybody I can think of
Speaker 2: at least that comes to mind. It If you wanted
Speaker 2: that culture to kind of continue in a way, you'd
Speaker 2: have to bring somebody up that's already on staff put them.
Speaker 2: Other than that, it would be a clean slate, I
Speaker 2: feel with the options out there that are available.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the first person that comes to mind
Speaker 5: is Mike Veriables the older school energy like. I think
Speaker 5: he would get you like McCarthy, not like McCarthy, but
Speaker 5: they might like him because of how he how he is,
Speaker 5: how he coaches. And I honestly, honestly, I don't have
Speaker 5: an idea of whoever it is, whoever it is is
Speaker 5: gonna have to encapsulate this locker room in a way
Speaker 5: that is hasn't been done yet because they haven't won
Speaker 5: a championship. I just think it's gonna be different. It's
Speaker 5: it's difficult because you have whoever comes in here has
Speaker 5: to really set the tone for it's us against the world.
Speaker 2: There's this team.
Speaker 5: We talk about how different this team than any other team.
Speaker 5: So the way that they prepare, the way they do things,
Speaker 5: it may not look like any other team, Like they
Speaker 5: might have to go harder, they may not get the
Speaker 5: same breaks because it's just not the way that the
Speaker 5: media talks about them. They're always in the fire, They're
Speaker 5: always it's never enough like they would he would have
Speaker 5: to they would have to reshape. But another thing too,
Speaker 5: you talk about the Pies respectfully, like this team has
Speaker 5: literally almost led the NFL and penalties since Michael Crothy
Speaker 5: has been the coach who comes in and fixed that
Speaker 5: discipline because it but it because it also in Jason Garrett,
Speaker 5: they were one of the highest penalized. Like I can't
Speaker 5: picture what coach comes in and fixes fixes that. Like
Speaker 5: those type of issues that you've been dealing with for
Speaker 5: in multiple years.
Speaker 2: You also think do you want a quick fix or
Speaker 2: do you want a long term fix? And then that
Speaker 2: also goes into your quarterback getting older, some of your
Speaker 2: veteran players possibly not being on the roster because you
Speaker 2: have twenty two free agents to worry about. There's so
Speaker 2: many unknowns right now that I feel like the first
Speaker 2: domino that needs to fall is figuring out who your
Speaker 2: head coaches please, and then you can figure out the
Speaker 2: rest of it, because if you really are cleaning everything,
Speaker 2: cleaning house, that a lot goes into that and a
Speaker 2: lot of time. I feel like, especially for this locker room,
Speaker 2: like you've said, that have created their own world and
Speaker 2: this is us against the world. They need time to
Speaker 2: mentally prepare for that, get on the same page with
Speaker 2: a new staff if that's what happens, and communicate and
Speaker 2: really build that relationship earlier, sooner rather than later. I guess.
Speaker 2: So for me, everything is in standstill until the decision
Speaker 2: is made because you cannot do anything else other than that,
Speaker 2: because even requiring free agents and going even through that
Speaker 2: and deciding who gets to stay and who potentially doesn't,
Speaker 2: you can't do that until you know what your system
Speaker 2: looks like under said head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you look around the NFL, I mean coaches have
Speaker 3: already lost their jobs. Yeah, you talked at the Jaguars
Speaker 3: they fired their head coach. The Patriots have fired their
Speaker 3: head coach. New Orleans Saints have fired their head Yeah.
Speaker 3: The list just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing that stressing me is again, like
Speaker 5: you said, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. However, those coaches, the
Speaker 5: coaches that you might won't, the good wins, the ben Jons,
Speaker 5: like these guys, they're interviewing right now and if you can't,
Speaker 5: you can't even you can't interview. And we kind of
Speaker 5: ran into something like this last year, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 5: is that dan Quinn was interviewing. We were one hundred
Speaker 5: percent knew that dan Quinn was probably on his way out.
Speaker 5: It was time he came here to rejuvenate his career.
Speaker 5: He did that, he got the whole head coaching job
Speaker 5: in Washington. Dallas ran into a very similar thing to
Speaker 5: where and I like what Zimmer did here. It worked out,
Speaker 5: but it ain't no different than it's like first come,
Speaker 5: first herve, Like, you're not interviewing the other coaches right
Speaker 5: now because you haven't made a decision on this coach,
Speaker 5: So you're you're you're stifling his his you know progress, Well,
Speaker 5: the progress is saw right now, I'll say that his
Speaker 5: progress isn't happening.
Speaker 4: But you also can't.
Speaker 5: Progress until you find out what you know, who's going
Speaker 5: to be the head coach. So it's just not it's
Speaker 5: not a good way to do things because I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: we're gonna be looking at draft, combine and all that stuff,
Speaker 5: and then it's gonna be free agency before we know it.
Speaker 5: Who's going to be the head coach to start planning
Speaker 5: out what things are going to look like, and then
Speaker 5: the players on a team, the assistant coaches, these guys
Speaker 5: also deserve to know what their lives are going to
Speaker 5: look like or if they're going to have to start
Speaker 5: preparing for a new scheme.
Speaker 2: Well, and I would imagine even like Dak coming back
Speaker 2: from this injury, you know who can't physically do a
Speaker 2: lot and it takes, you know, milestone by milestone to
Speaker 2: come back. All you really have is your playbook and
Speaker 2: your system to sit there and study and mentally prepare yourself.
Speaker 2: What does he have to study right now? Because what
Speaker 2: if it does not look the same? So for me too,
Speaker 2: if you want your quarterback to come in prepared post injury,
Speaker 2: you need to give him his material, his book, his
Speaker 2: his binder, if you will, of whatever the system is
Speaker 2: going to look like and what it requires out of him.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you something, y'all think Al Harris. Let's
Speaker 4: say Mike Zimmer decides that he sorry.
Speaker 3: Let's say the front office decides not to keep Mike
Speaker 3: Zimmer or Mike Zimmer decides not to stay here, uh
Speaker 3: to continue coaching as the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Do y'all think it's time for Al Harris to be
Speaker 4: the DC?
Speaker 2: It takes a lot to be a DC.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think the world of our Harris,
Speaker 5: so I want to be very careful, but I do
Speaker 5: understand that being a DC is very intricate, and I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's if he even feels like he's
Speaker 5: ready to take that on. It is a lot of responsibility,
Speaker 5: it's a lot to do. They moved him into what
Speaker 5: the assistant head coach position this year, which was dope.
Speaker 5: But I have no idea because we have not seen
Speaker 5: him in a coordinator capacity. Now, I will say the
Speaker 5: NFL is doing this thing where they're taking chances on
Speaker 5: play on coaches now, a lot of former players are
Speaker 5: becoming coaches and you're seeing success in different places. So
Speaker 5: for me, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. No idea,
Speaker 5: but it's an option. I suppose if you want to
Speaker 5: keep staying house, What about you, Jess?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like if you wanted to progress, somebody
Speaker 2: up it is time. And Al Harris obviously is so
Speaker 2: respected in that locker room and by his dB room,
Speaker 2: and his energy is very infectious. But what gets me
Speaker 2: is you look at a guy like Demo specifically, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of your third year players. That's three different
Speaker 2: systems every year you have been here. Talk about it,
Speaker 2: and if you want growth and development within your players,
Speaker 2: that year three jump is It's still important because you're
Speaker 2: talking future contracts coming up, long term deals in the
Speaker 2: works and in the talks. You're stifling that growth by
Speaker 2: continuously making these players learn new systems every single year,
Speaker 2: and that would be three years in a row, especially
Speaker 2: that rookie class that came in three years ago that
Speaker 2: would have to relearn another new system this year. And
Speaker 2: to be honest, I was really intrigued with what Mike
Speaker 2: Zimmer had said of you know, if I could go
Speaker 2: back and change it. I would do things my way.
Speaker 2: I feel like if he comes back, whether that be
Speaker 2: because he's offered the job back or because it's on
Speaker 2: his own terms, whatever the case is, it's only going
Speaker 2: to be better because of the lessons he did learn
Speaker 2: of what not to do. And also to the other
Speaker 2: point of that, you have Micah Parsons on this system
Speaker 2: that clearly he enjoys doing. I saw Demo tweet that
Speaker 2: he wanted Zim to stay. So for me, it's what
Speaker 2: do your players feel like they're going to get out
Speaker 2: of this and how they're going to grow. So if
Speaker 2: they had faith that El Harris, say Zim didn't return
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, that El Harris was your guy, If
Speaker 2: the players have faith that that could be the elevation
Speaker 2: for them and their growth. Sure, if al Harris feels
Speaker 2: like he's ready to do it, sure, no matter who
Speaker 2: it is. But my thing is, man, you have to
Speaker 2: build some kind of future here.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You have to build some future that tells you I'm
Speaker 2: here to stay. You don't have to worry about my
Speaker 2: job being on the line next year, because all it
Speaker 2: does is just create this anxiety that's already added to
Speaker 2: the thirty year anniversary, no super Bowl championship. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have a new coach every every season. What do
Speaker 2: you want? You know, how can you build a super
Speaker 2: Bowl winning program if you're just DC after DC after
Speaker 2: d C. And yes, it was Jan's time to go,
Speaker 2: but I'm I just want some stability. I agree, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure the guys do. And and here's the sorry soapbox.
Speaker 5: I got you, I got you, I got you. What
Speaker 5: you do And here's my thing is, if if you're
Speaker 5: gonna do what you're doing right now, if you're gonna
Speaker 5: be trying to figure out coordinators or whatever, yeah, at
Speaker 5: least have the talent to make show up for that,
Speaker 5: to make up for changing out, changing out, changing out,
Speaker 5: changing out, because that's what.
Speaker 4: That's what them them brown Oh my lord, we're in
Speaker 4: a soap box.
Speaker 5: That's what them green folks up there up east is doing.
Speaker 4: That's what they're doing.
Speaker 5: Like they brought in Fangio, they brought in Killing Moore
Speaker 5: and guess.
Speaker 2: What, it's hit.
Speaker 5: But it's hit because they have the talent.
Speaker 2: Well, and look how quickly other teams want Kellen as
Speaker 2: a head coach.
Speaker 4: It's like shocking, have mercy, Like if you're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: He gives stability and happen.
Speaker 3: Well, you heard from your players. They've spoken about how
Speaker 3: much they love Zimmer. They love his scheme. Jordan Lewis
Speaker 3: was very vocal about that in post game. So I
Speaker 3: think that there's no doubt about the fact that they
Speaker 3: love what he brought here.
Speaker 4: It is kind of last week sound like, who need
Speaker 4: a nap?
Speaker 3: We're not.
Speaker 4: And I understand.
Speaker 5: I under well, first of all, I totally forgot, and
Speaker 5: this is something again like we're talking about the coaching
Speaker 5: situation in their lives. I forgot selfishly my bad that
Speaker 5: Mike Simmer lost his son. Yeah, and I mean, come on,
Speaker 5: and he you know last week he was saying in
Speaker 5: his press or you could tell how emotional he was
Speaker 5: that he really felt like he wanted to honor his
Speaker 5: son come out and do this. But they also enjoyed
Speaker 5: to live there.
Speaker 2: They also, yes, they he's just got engaged to this
Speaker 2: is stressful. Yes, he did, this is stressful.
Speaker 4: This is a stressful occupation.
Speaker 5: So I also am saying I'm happy for him, like
Speaker 5: get this camera, engatulations, congratulation.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't even look at you
Speaker 2: because no season, my look, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Looking at me, Oh nugget Okay, But seriously, anyways, seriously,
Speaker 5: whatever he decides, I'm gonna be happy for him if
Speaker 5: he wants to come back here. I believe that my
Speaker 5: Zimmer system is relevant to what the NFL is today.
Speaker 4: He can do things.
Speaker 5: Hopefully the secondary is not completely decimated.
Speaker 2: Lord have mercy.
Speaker 5: But the way he disguises on the back end, he
Speaker 5: prioritizes to stop in the run. He's exotic with his
Speaker 5: fronts with it. He does so many different looks. He
Speaker 5: puts a lot of stress on defenses, and like that
Speaker 5: puts a lot of stress on offenses. I think what
Speaker 5: he does as a coordinator is relevant to today's NFL.
Speaker 5: Get him the players if he wants to stay here,
Speaker 5: or get somebody with a similar or get someone with
Speaker 5: a similar mindset. So to Jess's point, which is a
Speaker 5: fantastic point, that your players are not having to learn
Speaker 5: a whole new system again because you're gonna be going
Speaker 5: through another install again.
Speaker 2: God, and I just I can't something about Demo in
Speaker 2: this specific instance, because you're talking year three for him.
Speaker 2: He came off of season ending injury, learned a new system,
Speaker 2: looked phenomenal this season. Now another season ending injury that
Speaker 2: you know, reports were saying he would be back by
Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. And I can't say I did
Speaker 2: talk to him. Over the weekend. I hosted an event
Speaker 2: and he was there, and this man in his brace
Speaker 2: and everything, still wanted to talk to these fans, and
Speaker 2: all the fans were like, we need you back. Next
Speaker 2: to your man, He's like, I'll be there, don't like.
Speaker 2: He was so reassuring for them, and so for him.
Speaker 2: All we talked about was is you know, the little
Speaker 2: milestones he has to take right now in his in
Speaker 2: his rehab, and you know, it's little things you don't
Speaker 2: think of. Drive a car, walk a certain amount of steps,
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. And he is very
Speaker 2: positive and driven. Just like Demo looks in his football game,
Speaker 2: he looks in his recovery and rehab game ready to
Speaker 2: attack it. So I do believe him when he says
Speaker 2: he'll be back sooner rather than later. But to that point,
Speaker 2: I just can't stop thinking of Demo having to learn
Speaker 2: another mayor system may Marison. I mean, all these guys,
Speaker 2: your second and third year players specifically, are the impacted
Speaker 2: ones in this They just nugget.
Speaker 5: They want to mercy.
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Speaker 4: The Front Center. I'm sure let you finish.
Speaker 2: Girl, I know, like we knew that already though. Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you gonna go out there and play?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I think years. I think you could hang.
Speaker 4: I think I could, I think you could do hike.
Speaker 2: I believe in you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe myself.
Speaker 5: People don't be understanding how serious Tennessee is.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 2: It's so serious Nicole does. She does for everyone who doesn't.
Speaker 4: I used to coach him my free time.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. I feel like you'd be a good coach.
Speaker 2: Thanks girl, I do.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I feel like you would.
Speaker 4: All Right, we're gonna play a little over under. Let's
Speaker 4: go who over.
Speaker 3: Exceeded the expectations or under exceeded expectations this year?
Speaker 4: Brandon Kooks.
Speaker 5: Under.
Speaker 2: M hm wow, injury, simple as that under injury straight
Speaker 2: like that. Rock Coffman over.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like the confidence in the chirpiness. It was
Speaker 2: nice to see it waster.
Speaker 4: He's a cent too for your interior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bebby.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you something the way. Jonathan Allen ain't
Speaker 5: gonna want to deal with him. Jonathan Allen, I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna want to deal with him for more seasons because
Speaker 5: he just he's He's our Draymond Green.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's a good one. You need one.
Speaker 2: He's Draymond Green well and also too, like I just
Speaker 2: feel like watching him play now, it was such a
Speaker 2: close tie between him and Cooper Rush for a Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush bb my bad for the starting center position, but
Speaker 2: I do feel like there could be possibility for both
Speaker 2: of them to be in that line. Hopefully next year
Speaker 2: it's a good thing.
Speaker 5: Over.
Speaker 2: I mean I expected, I expected, I knew, I knew,
Speaker 2: but I feel like there was drop off when it
Speaker 2: was Cooper Rush coming in with adjustments. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: do feel like the last month it was back to
Speaker 2: the same old growth. So I'm gonna say that's what
Speaker 2: I expected from him this season. I didn't expect anything
Speaker 2: more or anything less because overall, I feel like the
Speaker 2: offense was still figuring itself out and didn't really give
Speaker 2: him his best assistant chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said over, under, over, And that's exactly why.
Speaker 3: Just because you saw him play well with Dak Cooper Rush,
Speaker 3: you didn't see him do so much to do so well,
Speaker 3: and then you saw obviously with Trey Lance having his
Speaker 3: best game of the year.
Speaker 2: Hard for me, I would say, is there like the middle.
Speaker 4: Like one under?
Speaker 2: I guess I would say, I guess.
Speaker 5: I would say, I'm gonna say under, and I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be fair because I'm a tough critic when
Speaker 5: it comes to Jayleen Tobert probably, but I'm gonna say
Speaker 5: under because I really.
Speaker 4: Expected for him, especially with.
Speaker 5: Brandon Cooks being out to really take charge of that
Speaker 5: wide receiver to spot. And don't get me wrong, to
Speaker 5: your point, there's been drop off and some guys like
Speaker 5: Jay Ferguson has has has really got the short end
Speaker 5: of the stick with Dak being out.
Speaker 4: Some guys need their quarterback.
Speaker 5: I know that CDs that want like CD's that one
Speaker 5: guy that can just play with anybody. Some guys can't.
Speaker 5: And I think Jaylen Tobert to your point, took some
Speaker 5: time to adjust to Cooper Rush how Cooper Rush delivers
Speaker 5: the ball. But you see the difference in how he
Speaker 5: looks when Trey Lance is throwing him the.
Speaker 2: Ball on the move, you know.
Speaker 5: So for me, I think I expected him for to
Speaker 5: really take that role and to be certain about that.
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna say under even though I do like
Speaker 5: the improvements he has made this year, I just expected
Speaker 5: a little more.
Speaker 2: Okay, last one, Chauncey over.
Speaker 5: My dude, my hot god, Yes, over over over over
Speaker 5: over over.
Speaker 4: I barely want to say over there.
Speaker 3: I think it's over because you had so many injuries
Speaker 3: and you weren't expecting him get to get this much time.
Speaker 5: But before training camp, in training camp, when I saw
Speaker 5: that Zimmer was coming in, I said, I was praying.
Speaker 5: I talked to my room about it and everything I
Speaker 5: asked him. I was like, Lord, please let Chauncy be
Speaker 5: able to play edge. The times I've spoken to Chauncey
Speaker 5: in the locker room, he's an edge. He was drafted
Speaker 5: to be an edge and to finally for I was
Speaker 5: hoping Zimmer.
Speaker 4: Will move him back to his correct position.
Speaker 5: He did, and we got to see him have the
Speaker 5: best season of his career five and a half sacks
Speaker 5: on the year.
Speaker 4: Just I'm very proud of him.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, very proud. I'm gonna I'm gonna say over
Speaker 2: because honestly, he was a name that wasn't expected to
Speaker 2: do much right and and he made a name for
Speaker 2: himself in the NFL to where what you know, when
Speaker 2: the opposing offense is talking about you and their press
Speaker 2: conferences and their OC's are naming you just point blank,
Speaker 2: you know you have made yourself a name. And he
Speaker 2: literally did that. So I wasn't expecting him to have
Speaker 2: as great of a season as he did, But we
Speaker 2: also didn't expect all the injuries. We didn't expect the
Speaker 2: season to be what it was. But overall, we also,
Speaker 2: to your point, didn't know where exactly he would be playing,
Speaker 2: because we didn't know how Zin would want to utilize him.
Speaker 2: So I really like didn't have much expectations for the
Speaker 2: defense overall other than Micah. But I'm glad Chauncey made
Speaker 2: a name for himself. So he has a lot of
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 5: He about to make some money.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's about somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I'll go make your money. Go make your money, Chancey,
Speaker 2: go make your money wherever it is here there, hopefully
Speaker 2: here not all right.
Speaker 4: Well, we gotta go.
Speaker 3: This has been fun like always for Ayham, Morrison, Jestin Ours.
Speaker 4: Nicole Hedgison.
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