1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our guest producer, 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Max free Train Williams. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh, folks, it's been a stressful time. 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: We don't want to jinx anybody, but odds are hopefully 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: we'll all make it to three. As it's reckoned in. Uh, 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: these are current days. We wanted to wish you all, 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists, happy holidays. You know, for many 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: spiritually minded people, this is a tremendously important time. For 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: many more secular people, this is still a very important time. 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: You know. We're right to the finish line. We're closing 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: in on the home stretch of the marathon of Plot Twist. 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: That was two. So today we thought we would, as 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: we get too closer to wrapping up, we thought we 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: would explore something a a little different in honor of 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: our guest producer Max. Maybe a little bit of ridiculous 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: history here. Can you steal time from other people? Yes? 23 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Are we talking? Are we talking the countless meetings that 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: we have to go to? Or what about like wage theft? 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: That's another one. Yeah, also a bullet with that one. 26 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I think we could also say, um stealing time? How 27 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: who was it? Worrious notorious womanizer who also dabbled in physics, 28 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Albert Einstein once famously said, all you need to you 29 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: can prove time is relative. Uh, consider an hour spent 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: at a meeting versus an hour with a beautiful woman. 31 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but he did say something like that. Uh yeah, this, 32 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean these the questions, Okay, aside from allocation time, 33 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: wage theft, meetings that could have been emails, could you 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: actually take the some piece of the natural span of 35 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: a person's time alive? Uh? This sounds like maybe a 36 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: question for science fiction authors very Ray brad Berry, or 37 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: maybe a quantum physicist. But we're gonna find today these 38 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: questions are way older than a lot of people might assume, 39 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: and they go back to something that I personally, I 40 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: think we all love it on this show uh, something 41 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that seems normal for absolutely no reason. Here are the facts. 42 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: Talk about calendars. We all just accept it, right, we do, 43 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: because you grow up with it. You know what day 44 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: it is. It's one of the most grounding things for 45 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: your brain. I know what day it is, and then 46 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: the next one that comes after that is I know 47 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: what time it is. And a lot of our exploration 48 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: today comes directly from our conversations about the moon. Right 49 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: when we were looking at the moon and the calendars 50 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and how do people decide what day it is and 51 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: where we are in time? And mostly over the history 52 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: of time, it's been through looking up and figuring out 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: where the Earth is and where the moon is and 54 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: where the sun is in relation to other things. Right, um, 55 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: and then it just a really quick because we are 56 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: in the holiday season, we also have lovely advent calendars, 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: really countdown calendars. Gives you a delightful piece of chocolate 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: every day leading up to Christmas. And apparently advent calendars 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: are becoming quite a thing. Uh down other things like 60 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: your birth there or some other you know, a special day. 61 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, exactly, And it wasn't just any old folks 62 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: that were looking up into the heavens and saying, oh, 63 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: the things are moving, let's call this time and then track. 64 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: You know. The the movement thereof it was folks dating 65 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: back as far as the Gregorians, because they, I believe, 66 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: invented one of the very first calendars. Yeah yeah, even 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: before then. You know, the oldest mathematical device in known 68 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: human history are these very clever notched sticks, and they 69 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: were all about calculating time, calculating the passage of the moon, 70 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: creating what would become the lunar calendar, which so many 71 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: um religious uh schools of thought used today. The Gregorian calendar, 72 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: you nailed. It is the one that the majority of 73 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: the world uses. It's the it's the business calendar of 74 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: the world. So so it quite literally is like so 75 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: you may, let's say you grow up in hutter or 76 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, right, or you're in Um, you're in a 77 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: Muslim community in Thailand, then you probably are going to 78 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: use the Islamic calendar for a lot of stuff. But 79 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: then when it comes to communicating at your job other 80 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that, communicating internationally using the Gregorian calendar, and 81 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: you might be talking to someone who in their personal life, um, 82 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they practice judaism, and they use a 83 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: different calendar for for more of their personal life. So 84 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: this is a civic calendar. It's world civic calendar, the 85 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: way that for quite a while now English has been 86 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: considered the de facto business language of the world. But 87 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: pretty much everybody uses the Gregorian calendar now, not because 88 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: it's perfect, which it's not, not because it's convenient, which 89 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: it is not, just because it keeps things uniform, and 90 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: we owe all of that. The reason we're saying we're 91 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: recording Friday, December nine two is all thanks to a 92 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: guy named Greg H. Pope, Gregory the thirteen. He's the 93 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: dude who introduced this way back in in in fifteen 94 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: eighty two. You know, uh well, Ben, he's at least 95 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: the guy that said this is what it is now. 96 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, you're right. You're right. No credit where 97 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: it's due to Greg's team because they were doing the 98 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: real work. I hate it when people do that, So 99 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: shout out to all our fellow conspiracy realists who are 100 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: leapier babies, because you are living evidence about how imperfect 101 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: this calendar is. But still, you know, not to dunk 102 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: on it too hard. We haven't invented a calendar here 103 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: on stuff they don't want you to know yet. Uh so, 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: so you can say, despite its warts its wrinkles, the 105 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: Gregorian calendar allows us to anticipate and predict events with 106 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: a fair amount of consistency. I propose a calendar with 107 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: a three day work week. Vote for me. I propose 108 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: a post work economy. Star Trek Max. I don't I 109 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: know you're not on camera now, but I hope I 110 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: earned a fist pump with that one. This a bend 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Bucks based economy. Oh oh, this is actually this is 112 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: and the idea, it's utopian and concept. The idea is 113 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: that eventually, and we've talked about this in the past, 114 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: eventually human technology could arrive at some point where civilization 115 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: eliminates the problem of scarcity. Right, and really, as left 116 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: wing as it sounds to some people, is subjectively true. 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: The resources of the world as we record are adequate 118 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: enough to give the entirety of the eight billions something 119 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: people on the planet a pretty good quality of life. 120 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: It's it's all logistics, tradition, I don't know, traditions a problem. Right, 121 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: We've been doing the Gregorian calendar. We've been going hard 122 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: on the paint with this as a as a planet, 123 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: not since two, which is part of where our story 124 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: begins right in in fair Verona. But we're hitting some 125 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: really interesting here two and spanning human history not too 126 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: long ago. So people haven't always been using the Gregorian calendar. 127 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: And that's part of the pickle. Why why did did 128 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Greg wake up one day and just find himself in 129 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: a mood? Was he mad that it was Wednesday or something? No, 130 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: old Greg, who loves his Bailey's by the way, I 131 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: hope one of you. Um Well, Greg was trying to 132 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: fix a problem because the calendars that were in use 133 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: at the time we're doing some weird things. Mostly they were, 134 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: um they were moving the actual date that's supposed to 135 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: represent certain seasons certain times. It was moving further and 136 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: further away from the actual seasons that were supposed to 137 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: be represented because there were extra days. Yeah, time as 138 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: humans understood it was drifting. This is nuts, This is 139 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: crazy and correct, and it's one of those small mistakes 140 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: that expands it ripples, right, And so now all the sudden, 141 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are defining their lives through 142 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: the passage of time via these milestones, typically of religious celebrations. 143 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: They're saying, they're saying, hey, this is not happening what 144 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: it's supposed to. The equinox is all screwy. Now, why 145 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: is this It's due to the calendar they were using, 146 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: the Julian calendar, named in a burst of humility after 147 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: Julius Caesar, who back in the days of the Roman Pire, 148 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: like forty five BC or so, he said, it's real 149 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: if even the Roman Empire existed, if it really existed, 150 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: or if it was all the Russian ord Yeah, he says, uh. 151 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: He he does make a declaration, He does wake up 152 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: one day and say, no, this is what we're doing. Um. 153 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: The math in like him, you know, like most rulers, 154 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: he took a lot of credit for stuff that wasn't 155 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: his idea. No deing on the mathematicians and astronomers who 156 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: helped actually build the thing. They were very smart, they 157 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: were working with what they had. But just like you described, Matt, 158 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: they incorrectly assumed the average solar year. They said three 159 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and sixty five and one fourth days. That's fine, yeah, 160 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: but that four was off for the first century. It 161 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: was fun to be clear if for the first like, 162 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: while those people were alive they nailed it home. Uh. 163 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't until centuries later people were thinking out, oh so, uh, 164 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: Caesar made the Julian calendar via an edict. An edict 165 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: is the best way to think about it if you're 166 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: from the US, is it's like an executive order on steroids. 167 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, you can kill people if they don't do 168 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: the edict. It's like a like a proclamation, like you know, 169 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: this would be so, yes, yeah, just so. And that's 170 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: why for more than uh sixteen hundred years, this was 171 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: the main calendar of the Roman Empire, which was so 172 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: hot back in the day. And then when the Roman 173 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Empire fell and around the fifth century, people still went 174 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: with it because it was tradition. It was normalized, even 175 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: if you knew it was imperfect. And we have to 176 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: remember there was no concept of something like a global year, 177 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: no concept of something like a Greenwich mean time. You know, 178 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: in fact, the idea guessing of what the guessing of 179 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: what hour it was could vary within as little as 180 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: ten miles town to town. There weren't even clocks, uh 181 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: that that would function, uh to that level of sophistication. 182 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: You know, we did do a ridiculous history about something 183 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: on these lines about how it was the train systems 184 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: that caused standardization of time, you know, between towns, because 185 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: otherwise they couldn't depend reliably depend on when things would 186 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: arrive or no, when to expect things. Yeah, and that 187 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: was that was a solid episode. And it's indicative of 188 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: this this larger problem. So if we fast forward, Okay, 189 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: Roman Empire has done Julius Caesar had a heck of 190 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: a time while he was walking around, but it didn't 191 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: end well for him. And uh, now that the Roman 192 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Empire is gone, it's divided and you know it balkanized 193 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: is basically. Uh, then what we see is that the 194 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: New Year Day one, whatever you want to call the thing, 195 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: starts to gradually sneak around. You know, it's moving to 196 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: and fro. It's starting to coincide with Christian festivals because 197 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: they're the dominant religion of that region at the time. Right, 198 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: Sorry Zeus, you know, sorry, Odin et cetera. Good hustle. Uh. 199 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: And then Christmas Day for quite a while was the 200 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: beginning of the new year for many countries. So not 201 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: January one. That's pagan stuff. That's nonsensical as far as 202 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: these folks are concerned. The day Jesus Christ is born 203 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: is the day you start the year with in their mind, 204 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: which makes sense. But that's only the first problem. Right, 205 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: We've already got this drift, and it's not scientifically based anymore. 206 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: It's politically and spiritually based because I mean, the day 207 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: Christmas falls on on this calendar was kind of a 208 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: remixed pagan holiday anyway, right, Just so yeah, and then, uh, 209 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: that's you describe this first problem, But that's not the 210 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: whole it's not the whole bag here. What's the what's 211 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: the second problem? Oh? Yeah, So the second problem is 212 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: related to the first problem, and it's what we talked 213 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: about already. So with that calculation of three sixty five 214 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: point to five days, there's a leap year every four 215 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: years according to the Julian calendar, and the actual number 216 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: of average days in a solar solar year is sixty 217 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: five point two four something something something something. And as 218 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: that date is going off, the date of the spring 219 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: equinox is starting to drift. And it's really important because 220 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: that spring equinox date is matched up or supposed to 221 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: be matched up, uh, to calculate Easter. And again we're 222 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: talking about how important this is in the religious power structures. 223 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: The fact that Easter seems to not be occurring on 224 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: Easter anymore is a problem. Mm hmmm. Yeah, the whole 225 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: concept time again. It's drifting and the human system of 226 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: accounting for the passage of days is no longer in 227 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: sync with the natural passage of time, right, the stuff 228 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: that would happen whether or not humans were around to 229 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: see it. This reminds me of Okay, so you guys 230 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: remember the recent kerfuffle about daylight saving time. The reason, 231 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always felt pretty kerfuffily to me, I 232 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: think people kind of are annoyed by it. What's the 233 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: what is there a specific thing that happened recently? It's 234 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: on the way out. Oh think god, Yeah, that's that's 235 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: I know that. That's the best news I've heard all day. Yeah. Yeah, 236 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: this year, the at least in the United States, I 237 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: think there's a march. The Senate said daylight saving time 238 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: will be permanent. That's how they phrase it. In three 239 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: So there, you just don't have to move your clock anymore. 240 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: But the time zone thing is always been been a 241 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: weird conversation for a lot of people, and a similar example, 242 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: a more recent example of the problem with the calendar 243 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: would be in time zones, especially in the country of China. 244 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: China is huge. As one time zone it's set to Beijing. 245 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: That makes stuff super trippy if you live out west, 246 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: because you still have to pretend that it's ted am, 247 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when it's the middle of 248 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: the night for you. There's a really interesting thing that 249 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: happens with seasons as well that I think is matched 250 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: up to this, the perception, I don't know if you 251 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: guys feel this, the perception that the seasons are moving, 252 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: like are shifting a little bit, like it's it's winter 253 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: later into the year now, or it's warmer earlier, and 254 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: that kind of thing where it feels as though that's happening, 255 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: and it becomes a very difficult um I think to 256 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: grapple with because you're in my mind at least I'm 257 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: thinking about this and the calendar shift or just the 258 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: drift that occurs no matter which calendar you're using, and 259 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: the you know, potential effects of of global climate change, 260 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: and like where do those two things meet. And I 261 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: wonder if there was ever anything that was happening in 262 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: the past where climate was maybe shifting a little bit 263 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: at the same time that the calendar was shifting and 264 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: everybody was just like, what days it? Yeah, where it 265 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: feels like we're all Robin Williams and Jumanji sometimes, you know, uh, 266 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: just bursting out into into the modern world with no uh, 267 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: no way to contrast things from the previous day. So 268 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: this makes sense, Like if you are if you are 269 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: Pope Greg, this makes sense. This is a good idea, 270 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: and the original reform are actually messed with time. What 271 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: Greg and his crew did was saying, all right, Thursday, 272 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: October four two, we'll do that as normal, and tomorrow 273 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Friday October. Everybody's good with that, right, 274 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: And everybody said, yeah, I mean, you're the pope, don't 275 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: torture me. Well leaves the people that the pope had 276 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: influence over right, right, right, Catholic countries whose rulers were 277 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: not in conflict with Greg at the time. That's a 278 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: really good point. So that's the issue. You can't like 279 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: everything back then. You can't make these changes overnight. The 280 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: word about the change travels at the speed of a 281 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: horse or a ship or someone literally running as fast 282 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: as they can through the woods. Maybe a messenger crow. 283 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: That would be cool. Yeah, And what we're saying is 284 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: this slow process. Initially, Catholic countries in Europe. Uh, they 285 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: they went aboard with this, of course, because the Pope said, 286 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: and their overseas possessions or territories also got word out 287 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: that that was the new calendar. So imagine you're an 288 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: overseas possession and the dreds some guy shows up on 289 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: a boat and says, you know, okay, everybody, it's what day? 290 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Do you think it is? Wrong? It's Tuesday? Now. That's 291 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: so crazy. It would have to be a declaration to 292 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: whatever entity was in charge of that area. Right. I'm 293 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: gonna go find the thane, right or the yarl and sorry, 294 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm playing way too much sky rim Uh. We go 295 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: find the town, the person who runs this town and 296 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: tell them quietly listen, I have something from the Pope. 297 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: It's very important. This is gonna get tricky. Canna need 298 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: you to convince all these people it's a different day now, 299 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: you got this, right, I gotta go back to the 300 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: tepricorn trade just like seven or eight more townships. I 301 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: need to inform, right, right, uh, and then get out 302 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: of town before someone tries to burn me at the state. Yeah, 303 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: and this is this is the thing. So people start 304 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: calling this the improved calendar and over. It takes about 305 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: three hundred years for Protestant and Eastern Orthodox countries to 306 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: start moving to this. I was not aware of this. Greece, 307 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: the modern country of Greece, was the last country in 308 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Europe to adopt the Gregorian calendar for civil purposes. They 309 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't do it until nineteen twenty three. Wow, it really does. 310 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Maybe wonder what that switchover was like. Um, you just 311 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: gotta imagine a lot of people would just be fed 312 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: up and upset about the concept, Like what the heck? 313 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: Who said? Who? Who's this guy? Whoever the charge? Who 314 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: this guy to say what day it is? I mean, 315 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: dere be anchor, I think, or at least frustration. Oh sure. 316 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine in the age of ubiquitous information, where 317 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: everybody seems to be looking for something to have a 318 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: conflict about, it would I don't know if it would fly. 319 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: It would be a war. It would be a calendar war. 320 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Think about all the moms whose kid's birthdays fall within 321 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: those dates that disappeared. Yeah, I was thinking that too, 322 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: And all right, so yeah, and same as it ever was, right, 323 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: same as it ever was back when this s which 324 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: happens from Julian too Grigoryan people over the next few 325 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: centuries start trying to be as specific as they can. 326 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: They know not everybody's on board. So you'll see when 327 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: they're dating stuff in manuscripts, they'll use both dates and 328 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: they'll call one the old style and won the new style. 329 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: And it was controversial as more communities adopted it. In fact, 330 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: according to one popular legend, a lot of people saw 331 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: this as a conspiracy, a papist possibly Antichrist related um 332 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: cabal of people working in secret. Uh. They thought, especially 333 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty two, that the powers that be were 334 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: literally physically robbing them of time, taking days away from 335 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: their lives, just like a vampire sucking blood. I love 336 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: it because the implication there is that time is finite 337 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: and that it is something that can be robbed as 338 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: a resource, not just re routed, you know, or described differently. 339 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get into all of this and 340 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: just a bit, yes, and perhaps before we do, we 341 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: should take some time for a word from our sponsors. 342 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Okay, So that was a 343 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: lot about calendars. I think the three of us just 344 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: think it's weird. It's weird that everybody accepts it, right, 345 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: Like how future stories will look back on on neckties 346 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: and say why were they doing that? Not to mention, like, 347 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: you know, fashion, any calendar is the idea of like 348 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: having a dog wearing a suit, you know, or something 349 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: more risque, like a beefcake calendar with sexy men dressed 350 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: up in in fire outfits or whatever it might be. 351 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: Where did that come from? That's a that's a story 352 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: for another day. But yeah, calendars as a concept and 353 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: his physical objects very true bend down the way, you know, 354 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: and a more sufficiently developed civilization. I think people might 355 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: look at them very oddly. Yeah, I mean, and they 356 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: were looking at the modly back in the seventeen hundreds. 357 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: This conspiracy begins in Britain's House of Lords and shout 358 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: out to guest producer Max for asking us about a 359 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: stuff they want you to know, beefcake calendar. Um My 360 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: p nine X is going pretty crazy, so I should 361 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: be ready. Uh is that a euphemism? It's a it's 362 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: an exercise thing I'm doing. I don't know if I'm 363 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep with it. It's a high intensity I thought 364 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: it was a military spy plane or a euphemism for 365 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: like a cyber penis. Correct, thank you, you said what 366 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: everyone else has said. So so uh. Britain's House of Lords, 367 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: the high muckety MUCKs there, they knew there was a 368 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: problem because they hadn't adopted the Gregorian calendar and it 369 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: had bit more in a century. On their side of 370 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: the English Channel, the date was February seventeen fifty but 371 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: for like the rest of Europe, most of the rest 372 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: of Europe, it was already seventeen fifty one. They were 373 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: streets behind. Kind you know. But unless you think that's 374 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: a full calendar year that they're behind, it's just uh, 375 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, I guess it's just the date 376 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: that has decided to be the first of the year, right, yes, yeah, 377 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: just so yeah yeah uh. And Britain had a bad 378 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: taste in its mouth about Catholicism in general. So, for instance, 379 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: if it doesn't really matter what kind of ideas the 380 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: Catholic Church may have proposed, if Britain's leaders knew what 381 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: was coming from the Catholic Church, they would be incredibly 382 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: skeptical from the jump because they were Protestant Land they 383 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: had never followed Greg's idea, and it had been a 384 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine years. Uh the House of Lords, 385 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: Uh it thinks in large part to a guy named 386 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Lord Chesterfield. They said, okay, let's put this difference aside, 387 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, just for a second, and we're going to 388 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: convert to the new style of calendars. And and businesses 389 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: in this area had already been doing that old style 390 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: new style thing just so they could work with other 391 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: businesses like across the channel and for trade and so on. Uh. 392 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: But they faced the same problem old Greg faced. They 393 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: had to get past that discrepancy Matt, they don't. They 394 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: had to figure out when the new year was. They 395 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: had to figure out which days go where. And because 396 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: they were, you know, somewhat arrogant, very well to do 397 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: British dudes, they just decided to pick something and go 398 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: with it. There was no Chesterfield, the cat that invented cigarettes. 399 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Basically that's Chesterfields is certainly like a fancy brand of 400 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: of of of tobacco product was named after this. This 401 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: gentleman is real name Philip Dormer Stan Hope, but they 402 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: call him that. They call him the earl. I'm I'm 403 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: not sure on his uh, his affiliation with tobacco. But 404 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: as we'll see, he was also known for being really funny. 405 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: So wrong it was named after a county in Virginia. Well, 406 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: that county in Virginia, we might have been named after him. True. 407 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: So so there we go. We got there. So let's 408 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: go back to this this New year idea. So New 409 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: Year's was occurring on March twenty in UH in Britain, UH, 410 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: and they would have to make a switch. This would 411 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: affect all sorts of stuff, you know, not just birthdays, 412 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: not just holidays. This would affect business contracts, this would 413 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: affect when people get paid. This it's a domino effect 414 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: as well, because calendar builds on itself. So they had 415 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: a lot to consider. And after they considered all this, 416 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: sky Lord Usterfield, he's running point on this bill in 417 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: the House of Lords, and they said, here's what we're 418 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: gonna do. We're just gonna skip eleven days. We're gonna 419 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: find eleven days in a row, and we're gonna say 420 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: those days. Uh. And so they said, all right, September two, 421 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: seventeen fifty two, gonna do that day is normal. And 422 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: the next day is going to be September seventeen fifty two. 423 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's cool, right, Yeah, that makes sense. It's a little 424 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: time warp action, you know, for posterity. Yeah, let's do 425 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: the time work for eleven days. So the problem is 426 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: that the House of Lords, like any legislative congressional body, 427 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of thrives on clicks and uh, debate and disagreement. 428 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: So the Tory Party, which is way more conservative then 429 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: do keep in mind, folks conservative for the seventeen hundreds, 430 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: they say this is a terrible idea. They're mad about 431 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: that New Years thing you were talking about, Matt. They 432 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: they said, um, this is They were like, okay, they 433 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: have valid points. It was going to mess up a 434 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff for the average person in the economy. 435 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: But they were also kind of leaning into this sort 436 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: of war on Christmas, like culture war sort of thing, 437 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: and they had these protests and their banner was this 438 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: give us how eleven days back. People liked it, people 439 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: like the slogan who have absconded with mine eleven days 440 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: return them to me post haste and forthwith and the 441 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Whig Party, their political opponents, tried to tried to have 442 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: their own pr their own marketing spin, but it was 443 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: it was much less catchy. It was kind of toothless. 444 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I'm biasing. It's all against it. 445 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: But it was a new style, the True Style. It's 446 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: the choice of a new generation. Yeah, it's like a 447 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: new coke. You know. I went over super well too. 448 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I think people like also the new style of the 449 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: True Style. It didn't have an exclamation point. I don't 450 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: know why that matters to me. More political slogans but 451 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: give us our eleven days back is sort of this, 452 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: like the crowd goes with you. People shake their fists 453 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: and they go yeah, verily speaking of a week and 454 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: misplaced slogans. I don't know if you guys saw this, 455 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: but around Atlanta, where we just had an election, there 456 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: were these signs, uh that at first I thought were 457 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: some sort of snarky, nihilistic admonition of democracy, and it 458 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: just said democracy is an act, which to be makes 459 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: me think like democracy is a fraud. You know, it's 460 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: a phony, it's an act. But then it says early 461 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: voting begins on blah blah blah blah, you know, like 462 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: democracy is an action, like you know, voting. But man, 463 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: sometimes things can read very poorly if you're not if 464 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: you don't give them the thought there they deserve. Yeah, 465 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: I agreed, agreed, And this is where this is where 466 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: we find some crazy stuff going on. As the story goes, 467 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: many average residents of Britain agreed with the Tory Party, 468 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: the more conservative party. According to the story, tons of 469 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: people got together, They formed throngs of furious mobs and 470 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: went through a series of riots across England on the 471 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: night of September two. You will not take our eleven 472 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: days in this papist plot. Papist being you know, the 473 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: rude word, uh for Catholics. That that and like Catholic 474 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists would use. And not to say that the 475 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Catholic Church hasn't been at the heart of a bunch 476 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: of very real, very proven conspiracies, no question. I just 477 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: have to say I love the idea of time riots 478 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: uist so that it would be a great eighties nineties movie, 479 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, bring Van Damn back, Bring time Cop back 480 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: for the time riots. He's got he's got a a 481 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: out those time rioters. Well, you know, and it's weird 482 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: because you already kind of mentioned it. In all, there 483 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: are only two publications that we even know about any 484 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: of this from. And according to them, these riots had 485 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: a lot to do, or at least in some large part, 486 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: had to do with that concept of stealing wages. Right 487 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: time equals money. You're taking my potential wages away from me, 488 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: right Yeah. And they felt the government had been compromised. 489 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: That feeling in general is something that a lot of 490 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: people can agree with in the modern day, regardless of 491 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: who your government is now, unless it's Singapore. Um. So 492 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: the they said this was either demonic anti Christian stuff 493 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: or at the very least, they're trying to swindle the 494 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: working class out of much needed wages. This would be 495 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: almost two weeks worth of income. Uh. And this had 496 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: heavy implications for daily life. All the festivals you love 497 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: have drifted through time by more than a week, the 498 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: Saints Days as well. And hey, on a personal level, 499 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: what about your birthday? What about your romantic partner's birthday? Huh? 500 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: What if her or his birthday was on like September five? 501 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: What are you supposed to do? But like, is this 502 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: much ado about nothing? I mean, are they really robbing 503 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: people's wages? Aren't they just resetting things? And just kind 504 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: of standardizing. There's no actual time being cut out. It's 505 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: not like you take a pay cut for that gap, 506 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: right you just the week just resets. I am asking, 507 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: I just I'm wondering if you if you work right 508 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: an hourly shift or something, and there you know, every 509 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: day you get paid a certain amount. If eleven days 510 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: are wiped off the calendar, that's eleven days worth of 511 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: wages that you won't make that year right over that 512 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: calendar year, over the calendar year for this because the 513 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: reset requires a little snip snip, and then it resets 514 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: and then you have their back to normal, but it 515 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: takes a full year. Well, the yeah, because the calendar, 516 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: remember is the business counsel, which like, uh, do you 517 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: are you paying? What kind of payment are you making 518 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: on your house or you know, on whatever other things 519 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: that you owe. Lenders delivery contracts consider being in the 520 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: agricultural industry, right So do they do not consider these 521 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: things or do they do not care because they're such 522 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: a bubble and they don't think about the working class. 523 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: They did consider them, and they had, you know, a 524 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: series of band aids that have repercussions that continue today. 525 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: Without getting to the weeds too much, One of the 526 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: big problems they were confronted with, just like Pope greg 527 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: was that the majority of the population was functionally illiterate. 528 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, uh, possessing the power of literacy, which is 529 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: an amazing power, was at this time kind of like 530 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: um being able to work with a very a specific, 531 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: high foluting kind of code, a programming language. A lot 532 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: of people just couldn't do it right. They were not 533 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: presented with the opportunities. I'm sorry, most people are brilliant. 534 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: If they were given the opportunity to acquire literacy, they would, 535 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: But now it's it's a problem that's so niche to 536 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: the pope hundred seventy years ago, so niche to the 537 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: House of Lords, that trying to explain it to the 538 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: public is already a huge obstacle. So they literally many 539 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: people did, as far as we can guess, literally think 540 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: the government was physically taking eleven days from their lives, 541 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: sending them almost two weeks too early to their graves. 542 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: But you know, eventually, the thing about this story is 543 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: it's really light on how those riots panned out. We 544 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: are left to conclude that order prevailed, the riots were squashed. Um, 545 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: those in power gave some like band aid solutions, and 546 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: as always, the working class figured it out for themselves. 547 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: Fast forward a few more centuries and boom, everybody's on 548 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: the same calendar. Friday, December night, two thousand twenty two. 549 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: If that is those riots ever happened at all? Well, 550 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know did they? Right? Are we dealing with 551 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: some revisionist history? Here? Is this more in the realm 552 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: of lore and legend than actual facts? That's right? This 553 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: is this is weird. I have to ask, had you 554 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: guys ever heard of this story before we started like 555 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: digging into time riots? Well, yeah, my grandmama used to 556 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: tell me about it whilst sitting atop her knee at 557 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: night times. Yes, yeah, back when knees were made legal 558 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: again correct riots? Yes, yes, one time when I was 559 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: at a when these big gas stations, you know, I 560 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: was in the back where all the trucks are, and 561 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: there was this flash of light and this key, huge 562 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: naked dude just like popped out of nowhere and he 563 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: mentioned something about a time riot and then left and 564 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: that's all I remember. The Lorchesterfield. That guy is yoked. 565 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: Pope Greg was all about working out He's the event. 566 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: P ninety X is uh is the exercise regiment created 567 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: by Pope Gregory? Uh? And and what else was? What 568 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: else was Pope greg responsible for? I don't know. It 569 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: just feels more approachable to call him Greg, you know 570 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, early on to this episode, 571 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: I slightly boneheadedly dropped, Oh it was the Gregorians. Uh, 572 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, and there were Gregorians, the monks you know, 573 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: with the chant and they were followers of a Pope 574 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: Greg just not this Pope Greg. Yeah, they liked the 575 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: first Pope Greg. But maybe it's because they hadn't heard 576 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: about Greg thirteen, you know what I mean? Greg thirteen. Also, 577 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of bed In ten. That's a different Okay, 578 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: they had the laser watch control device. It was a 579 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: time control guy too. I think that's right. They're everywhere, 580 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: They're everywhere. So so matt Um, a nude, absolutely ripped 581 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: guy appears in a flash of light at the truck stop. Yeah, 582 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: there's a big circle like that was cut out of 583 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: the asphalte. It's a terminator kind of situation. Uh so 584 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: you made it out right? Yeah? Only only faith is 585 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: what we make. He needed my clothes and my sunglasses. 586 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you get in situations your clothes. This is 587 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,479 Speaker 1: so silly. I'm sorry, guys, but no, Ben, I hadn't 588 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: heard about this, And honestly, this feels like an extremely 589 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: obscure thing because it's not. It doesn't pop out in 590 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: any of the history books that I remember reading. You know, 591 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: that's weird that you say that, because I have her 592 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: and seen this story before. Reported um with a lot 593 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: of certitude, like whole England so crazy, they had a 594 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: lot of riots. But did you hear about this one? Uh? 595 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: You may have heard it. But the truth of the 596 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: matter is, as far as we can tell, the story 597 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: of the seventy fifty two riots is more likely than 598 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: not a work of fiction, or at the very least, 599 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: it's been so crazily embellished over time that it's now 600 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: on the level of like a lifetime movie that's quote 601 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: inspired by a true story or something. You know, one 602 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: of those pseudo documentaries on Netflix has said it. Because 603 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: it all goes down to sources, like you pointed out, Matt, 604 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: believe it or not, fully conspiracy realists. All of the 605 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: claims about these riots are based on two sources, one 606 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: of the well two point five. One of them is 607 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: a painting and an engraving. And the other is kid, 608 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: you not a seventy hundreds version of Mad magazine? Wait, 609 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: like like equivalent? Yeah, okay, got it? Yeah, Alfred Newman, Matt, 610 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: you put it beautifully off air when you said um, 611 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: you said, man, what's gonna happen? In future historians find 612 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: The Onion? Oh yeah, like I guess it would be 613 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: a paper version of The Onion, or maybe just in 614 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: an old digital archive somewhere, they will be perplexed, like, 615 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: what in the hell was going on here? It's a 616 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: weird society, and depending, you know, more and more stuff 617 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: from The Onion is becoming true, just like the Simpsons. 618 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 1: But yeah, this looks look about a satirical source. So 619 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: this is true. It makes it even harder to parts 620 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: because they'll be like, oh, this seems kind of right 621 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: based on other data that we've uncovered. These are these 622 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: comical headlines? Don't seem that comical? Yeah? They great? So uh, 623 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: this satirical journal called the World was written by none 624 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: other than Lord Chesterfield himself. That's right, the same guy 625 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: who introduced the bill fancied himself a bit of a 626 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: fabulous did he fancy himself a bit of a fabulous 627 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: whould later write to his son. Uh, and this is 628 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: This excerpt is often also presented as evidence about the riots. 629 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: But I think if we do a read of it, 630 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: we can we can see how that's a little off 631 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: the mark. Every numerous assembly is a mob. Let the 632 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: individuals who compose it be what they will. MAYA sense 633 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: is never to be talked to a mob. Their passions, 634 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: their sentiments, their senses, and their seeming interests alone are 635 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: to be applied to understanding. Have they collectively none? Ah, 636 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: so the mob doesn't have any let's parse this out. 637 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: They have no understanding. Uh, they are inflamed by passion 638 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: and can't be reasoned with. Uh. Mere sense is not 639 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: to be talked to a mob. No, I won't listen 640 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: to reason or sense. Then he kind of describes what 641 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: a mob is. Every numerous assembly is a mob. He 642 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: doesn't really give a number a cut off. What doth 643 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: the mob create? And then uh, yeah, let the individuals 644 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: who compose it be what they so? Like? You know, 645 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: it's a hive mind. At this point, individuals, opinions and 646 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: and attitudes no to go out the window because everyone 647 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: just joins the hive mind. It makes me question, like 648 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: this because this is this is something that Lord Chesterfield 649 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: wrote to his son. This is not inside the world this. Yeah, 650 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: this is presented as kind of secondary evidence, but really 651 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: what I can find is only the idea of a 652 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: mob mob mentality in general. It doesn't seem as though 653 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: he is specifically alluding to some kind of mob or 654 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: riot around seventeen fifty two. So you have to be 655 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: careful when you see this stuff kind of trotted out 656 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: like a like a quotation that supports the argument, right, 657 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: like taking the taking a part out of a bad 658 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: movie review that makes it seem not that bad. Yeah, 659 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 1: and and and and displaying it, you know, out of condest. 660 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: So wait, this guy wrote a journal and called it 661 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, he's very humble, dude. Yeah, basically he's 662 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,919 Speaker 1: like writing a satirical magazine, but it's really just his journal. Yeah, 663 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: to me, this is more conceptual. He's talking about just 664 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: kind of broad strokes what a mob is, what a 665 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: mob mentality is. He isn't referring to anything in particular 666 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: unless there's other stuff that I don't have. That's what 667 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's like about mob mentality that could be applied. 668 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: That's what I mean when I say he's talking about 669 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: mob mentality that could be applied to Parliament as easily 670 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: as it could to the streets of London. Because I 671 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: think you should be noted. We're looking at Britannic, uh, 672 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 1: where they've got an article title did a calendar change 673 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: cause riots in England? And in it they have an 674 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: excerpt from the world that is supposedly referring to these 675 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: time riots. But if you read it, and I recommend 676 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: you do read it because it's kind of if we 677 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: set it out loud to you, it might be very 678 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: hard to pass through. Uh. It appears to just mention 679 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: that people were upset about this change. It doesn't seem 680 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: to mention anything about a riot. There's a quote that 681 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: says making no doubt that fires would be kindled again 682 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: in Smithfield before the conclusion of the year fires, Like, 683 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: is this metaphoric? Metaphorical? Yeah, it's not talking about actual fire. Well, 684 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Like, I read that and my 685 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: mind immediately goes to they're talking about you know, people 686 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: they're rioting and setting things on fire. But I think 687 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: they're talking about like the fires of some sentiment being rekindled. Yeah, 688 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: I have that quote later in the notes, because it's 689 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: it's sort of a vague threat before we get to 690 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: that one. Let's let's talk a little bit about that 691 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: second piece of evidence. And this is where people got 692 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: misled pretty often. There is a painting and an engraving 693 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: based on the painting called an Election Entertainment, made by 694 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: a guy named William Hogarth in seventeen fifty five. William 695 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: Hogarth very talented, is kind of like a New York 696 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: Times cartoonist for his day, and his painting is often 697 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: touted as you can find it easily just Hogarth Election 698 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: Entertainment h O G a r t h. Is painting 699 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: is often called like a depiction of maybe the aftermath 700 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: of the riots or things leading to the riots. The 701 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,720 Speaker 1: ideas people are giving depositions or accounts of what went down. 702 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: But the trouble is that's not what the painting is about. 703 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: It's based on a number of arguments that Parliament had 704 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: one day and they talked about a bunch of different issues. 705 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: One of them have and to be the calendar, And 706 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: there's no other contemporary evidence that it happened. Think about 707 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: how well documented so much other stuff was in England 708 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds English or pedantic everything. So if 709 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: there never was a riot, how did what appear to 710 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: be extremely niche political jokes daily show kind of things 711 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: become fact? Uh? Some of it is all all in 712 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: the way these things are interpreted. I like that you 713 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: mentioned um Britannica as well, because, uh, up until at 714 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: least nineteen seventy six, the Encyclopedia Britannica was reporting these 715 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 1: riots as fact. So you can't really believe blame people 716 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: for believing the story. I mean, for Pete's sake or 717 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: Greg's sake, it shows up in an encyclopedia. But was 718 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: there a political agenda or purpose and been proliferating these 719 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: kind of overblown claims like on one side of the 720 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: divide or other, like, yeah, there are riots there, therefore 721 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the working class are trash, like you 722 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It was there a reason that 723 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: maybe this was circulated, perhaps by the powers that be 724 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: to uh cast in a bad light, you know, the 725 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: folks who disagreed with them. Yeah, it's a good question. 726 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: It seems like maybe some things were just lost in 727 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: translation over time, because even Yale professors were circulating this, uh, 728 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: particularly Ronald Paulson Ine he published a book all about 729 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: Hogarth and he kind of captions this infamous painting by 730 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: saying that it is about the Oxfordshire people rioting to 731 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: preserve the eleven days the government stole from them by 732 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: changing the calendar. But regardless, we know people really weren't happy. 733 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: We outlined the real reasons they weren't happy. Uh. And 734 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 1: there are weird threats made on record. They were like 735 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: threats of riots, but I would say they're severely British stuff, 736 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: no offense. There are friends across the pond or severely 737 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: posh British stuff. This stuff, like you had mentioned earlier, 738 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: Matt Faz would be kindled again in Smithfield. That is 739 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: a reference to a London market space that was known 740 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: for being assaries, for being the scene of a popular 741 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: uprising in the medieval era. So there they were. There 742 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: were definitely tories who were like threatening, that's something something 743 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: bad was going to happen. Maybe they would assemble some folks, 744 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: but it didn't really seem to happen. People blame the 745 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: Jewish community and they blamed the Catholic Church, and they 746 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: did not try to overthrow the government. Uh. I gotta ask. 747 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't there be more evidence if those riots 748 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: really happened? Yes, there would I I'm tempted to say 749 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: so too. I mean, this is what we see. Three 750 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: conspiracies of play. The first one, it's a lovable, accidental conspiracy, 751 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: the best of intentions. People corroborate his story, turning myth 752 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: into fact. Second, I would argue moving the calendars for 753 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: sure a conspiracy Pope, Greg, Like we pointed out, he 754 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: didn't take some public poll, didn't tally the results. He 755 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: didn't say what days are good for you to lose? Right? Yeah, 756 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: that's why they pay him the big bucks, gonna make 757 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: the hard calls. If we could be back back t 758 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: ock to that a little bit, what what what what 759 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: was his ultimate gain here or the gain of of 760 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: of you know, him and his his cronies, uh Greg 761 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: or chest Yeah, just for this whole like calendar surgery. 762 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:49,919 Speaker 1: It makes religious occasions and events in Catholicism gibe with 763 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be seasonally like, and makes them 764 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 1: like signposts and and more markers of time needs to 765 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,800 Speaker 1: be in spring like, got that pointed out right? Uh? 766 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: And Easter again a big deal? Oh yeah, Easter is 767 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: a huge deal. Guys. Isn't it weird to think that 768 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:16,760 Speaker 1: we still call it October? Oct October? That's always always 769 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: Why isn't it the eighth month? November the ninth month? 770 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: What about? What about Thursday? December is the tenth month? 771 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: You're totally right. I never thought about that in order 772 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: thought about that. And also, how come the United States 773 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 1: is still the only place in the world that that 774 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: uses the Imperial system of measurements? Okay, well, well one up. 775 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's speaking of standardizing. It doesn't seem 776 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: like it's something that we give too many hoots about 777 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: here in the States. Oh no. And and this is 778 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: it's a weird game to try to get people on 779 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: the same page about anything. Uh. And I would say, honestly, 780 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: maybe this is a good spot end as we're all 781 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: going towards the end of this year, right, which either 782 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: isn't gonna happen till March they have already happened as 783 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: you're hearing this, maybe on the way, you know what 784 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Depending on which calendar you personally follow. The 785 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: calendar itself, the human calendar is kind of a conspiracy. 786 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: It's one everyone participates in you know, Max and the 787 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: Chat proposed a stuff that it wants you to know, 788 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: beefcake calendar, which all for this, Yeah you did. I 789 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: propose were taking a step further and just invent an 790 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: entirely new calendar and just pitch it, you know, to 791 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,280 Speaker 1: the powers that be. I think we could probably improve 792 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: this is the current situation. What do y'all think? Yeah, 793 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,320 Speaker 1: and we'll just have pictures of meat pies, various meat pies. 794 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: That's what I meant by beefcakes exactly. Well, the I 795 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,720 Speaker 1: I certainly have some feedback to the revolutionaries in France 796 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: who tried their own calendar. I think they cut themselves 797 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 1: off at the neck there maybe, but there. Yeah, there's 798 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: definitely improved is to be made in the way civic calendars. Now. 799 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with religious calendars at all. 800 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,440 Speaker 1: That's that's all the other bag of badgers. But I 801 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: thought we could do a good civic calendar, because again, 802 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: it's just a conspiracy. It's just humans being great pattern recognizers, 803 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: putting this sort of anthrocentric frame of reference around a 804 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: series of processes on Earth and in the heavens that 805 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,240 Speaker 1: began long before humans. Wherever here and we'll continue long 806 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: after they are gone. And we do we do have, 807 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,319 Speaker 1: you know, examples of different types of calendars, don't we like? Uh, 808 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: doesn't the Chinese calendar different? Doesn't It rely on like 809 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: the lunar cycles more than our Gregorian calendars about like 810 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: lunar New Year. Correct? A lot of the old calendars 811 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,799 Speaker 1: were based on the moon. Check out our episode on 812 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: is the Moon Messing with Me? Uh? Yeah? And that 813 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,839 Speaker 1: goes with religious calendars, um, many of which are are 814 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: still in use today. And you can also see related 815 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: conversation in different horoscopes or is odiac systems of the world, 816 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: which I find endlessly fascinated. Yeah, modern day China does 817 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: use the Gregorian calendar like us, you know, again for 818 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: seeking up business purposes, but their religious holiday is like 819 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: Chinese New Year and then Lantern Festival and all of 820 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: that stuff is governed by the Chinese calendar, which is 821 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 1: a lunar solar, so that depending on both the sun 822 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: and the moon. But whatever day you wanted to be, 823 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 1: you know, for yourself, go out there, make it make 824 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 1: it that day, you know what I mean, make it 825 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: make it that year. We believe in you you could 826 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: do it. We've got more weird stuff coming before the Again, 827 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: I argue relatively arbitrary end of this calendar year. Uh, 828 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: we hope that, we hope that you're having a great one, 829 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: and we can't wait to hear your take. Have you 830 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: invented your own calendar? Love to love to hear it? Um. Also, 831 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you all saw right into my 832 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: evening a little old humorous Harry sent us another batch 833 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: of puns. 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