Speaker 1: In today's episode Ticket of the Draft Podcast, we have
Speaker 1: something near and dear to my heart, and that's the
Speaker 1: udfas man which one of these guys are going to
Speaker 1: be the commanders of tomorrow. I can't wait to tell
Speaker 1: you about each and every one of them.
Speaker 2: It all starts right now. Welcome to the Tickets Draft Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Jess Guy, Jason and as
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Speaker 1: Northwest Stadium, and Jason Man, what's here. We've done the draft,
Speaker 1: We've gone through all of our stuff, but we haven't
Speaker 1: gone through all of our stuff because we still have
Speaker 1: the undrafted free agents to talk about and discuss. And
Speaker 1: initially when I first started watching, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this group doesn't seem like it's as
Speaker 1: exciting as the group was last year. You know, you
Speaker 1: got Tyler Owens, you got coolson Yankov, guys that were
Speaker 1: like Ben Nickel, guys with these crazy, freaky athletic profiles.
Speaker 1: But the more that I've gone through this, the more
Speaker 1: guys I've watched, the more I've been impressed with, I'd
Speaker 1: say seventy five percent of the free agent class, eighty
Speaker 1: percent of the free agent class as guys that I
Speaker 1: think have a shot to make waves and maybe make
Speaker 1: the roster.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of these guys are developmental and it's
Speaker 1: up to evaluate for agents. But I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's becoming a more and more compelling group the more
Speaker 1: I watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, you love to get right into it, right.
Speaker 3: We're talking about udfa's today. It's our last episode, man,
Speaker 3: it is our last episode, last episode of the season.
Speaker 3: So it's sad, little tier. But yeah, no, what you're
Speaker 3: saying is exactly right. When you first look at these
Speaker 3: udfa's this year, it doesn't seem like last year's as
Speaker 3: far as like I don't I don't want to say talent,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 1: Like there was some freaky dude like Tyler Tyler Owens,
Speaker 1: like I think he broke or it was close to
Speaker 1: breaking the broad jump record at the combine, you know,
Speaker 1: like Coolson Yankov for his size, heyway, he had hit
Speaker 1: like a ten Ris ben Nicol. We talked about him
Speaker 1: like he killed the the Big ten pro day, like
Speaker 1: it just there was a it was a different kind
Speaker 1: of timber for that group. And maybe that's a you know,
Speaker 1: reflection of the draft class. But this group, again on paper,
Speaker 1: none of those kind of freaky athletic dudes. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of guys that actually have pretty freaky one or
Speaker 1: two guys freaky athletic profiles. But on the whole, I
Speaker 1: think you're looking at kind of guys that are here
Speaker 1: because of the film as opposed to maybe some of
Speaker 1: those testing numbers.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited to talk about a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely. Also,
Speaker 2: you know this is also a.
Speaker 3: I think it's a it speaks to the draft last
Speaker 3: year compared to this year. I mean, remember last year
Speaker 3: there were so many in that one, two, and three tier, yeah,
Speaker 3: that we didn't have this year. So you'll see more
Speaker 3: udfas that have more of the thing Like a lot
Speaker 3: of the guys that were udafa's last year could have
Speaker 3: been maybe six or seventh rounders of this year. Does
Speaker 3: that make sense to how deep much that draft, how
Speaker 3: big that draft class was with prospects, They're just a
Speaker 3: lot of them all at once. Like you hear about
Speaker 3: deeper prospect classes versus less at certain positions, and if
Speaker 3: it's those primary positions, and a lot get pushed back.
Speaker 3: So last year there were so many quarterbacks that came
Speaker 3: off the board, so many wide receivers that come off
Speaker 3: the board, that it pushes guys out of the draft
Speaker 3: that maybe maybe Tyler Owens is drafted this year if
Speaker 3: he's in this class. It's that sort of thing. But
Speaker 3: that being said, you're exactly right, Like it looks like
Speaker 3: the U at thefa's that they took last year were
Speaker 3: measurable kind of freaks. Like it was like this athletic
Speaker 3: guy that we can get in that you know, God
Speaker 3: only makes so many of them, Let's see how what
Speaker 3: we can do to put it together and make them
Speaker 3: good football players. Where this year it looks more like,
Speaker 3: let's get guys with attitude that ad quite honestly had
Speaker 3: a tough road, Like it looks like they're looking for
Speaker 3: character traits here and they have good tape. Right, It's
Speaker 3: really interesting that these guys didn't get drafted a lot
Speaker 3: of them because they have good tape, they have good film.
Speaker 3: Now it may not have been this past year at college,
Speaker 3: it may be years ago. There may be an injury
Speaker 3: that's in there, there may be like little things like that,
Speaker 3: but when they are on the football field, they flash yeah,
Speaker 3: which is what you want from a UDFA.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's exactly right. And I think
Speaker 2: you just wanted.
Speaker 1: Up Like the way I look at Udfa's, I look
Speaker 1: at them the same way that I look at later
Speaker 1: on draft picks, is you want a guy that can
Speaker 1: come in and have a shot to make your team, right,
Speaker 1: just have a shot. And so like you know, I've
Speaker 1: been I've observed when I mostly when I played Udfa's
Speaker 1: coming in and you're like, no way this guy makes
Speaker 1: that team, Like there's no role for him in this organization.
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing about this group of
Speaker 1: guys is when you watch them all, really all of them,
Speaker 1: you kind of say to yourself, like, there there is
Speaker 1: a there's a path for them to make it. You know,
Speaker 1: some of it's injury related for other guys in the team, yep,
Speaker 1: But a lot of them I think have the ability to.
Speaker 2: Play some good football.
Speaker 1: And so I'm excited to talk about the group because
Speaker 1: it does feel, again the more the more I watched
Speaker 1: it like an extension of the draft class. And that
Speaker 1: some of these guys are going to end up making
Speaker 1: and maybe making the roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really enjoy doing this podcast with you, like this
Speaker 3: specific episode, because you're an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 2: Drafted free agent, so these.
Speaker 3: Guys, as you said last week, I have a special
Speaker 3: place in your heart. But I get to ask you
Speaker 3: questions about like what it takes for this guy to
Speaker 3: make the team, and like you got the answers man
Speaker 3: ten years in the NFL, Like you did it, and
Speaker 3: like you got to be a little lucky, you got
Speaker 3: to be a little good, right, So real quickly, but
Speaker 3: before we get into this, can you like give me
Speaker 3: a summary of how you made the cut? You got
Speaker 3: brought in, you didn't get drafted, you got brought in,
Speaker 3: what was that like? And then once you were here
Speaker 3: what was that like? And then how did you make
Speaker 3: the team?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I think the thing that I would kind of
Speaker 1: give every you know, late round draft pick or u'dfa
Speaker 1: kind of just point this out. I think it's better
Speaker 1: to be undrafted if you're going to be drafted in
Speaker 1: the sixth or seventh round, Like, it's better to be
Speaker 1: undrafted because I get to pick the situation. I go
Speaker 1: to so you know, the draft ended in twenty ten
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there and a bunch of teams
Speaker 1: were calling me, like the Dollar Cowboys, the Chargers, the
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers at the time, and the Washington Commanders, Redskins,
Speaker 1: and basically like I had a good relationship with the
Speaker 1: tight end coach. He coached me in college. I played
Speaker 1: with his son for four years at UCLA, and he
Speaker 1: had come back and been like an assistant, like GA
Speaker 1: quality control guy to help out Rick new heisl who
Speaker 1: was the head coach, and he had just taken the
Speaker 1: job with the Redskins at the time, and so I
Speaker 1: knew him really well. And then my agent did a
Speaker 1: great job of going through all the depth charts and saying,
Speaker 1: you know, they've got Chris Cooley, they've got Fred Davis,
Speaker 1: but everybody else is a free agent that they've brought
Speaker 1: in to break the team. So even though you're undrafted,
Speaker 1: you'll have a good shot to compete with those guys
Speaker 1: and fight for that third tight end spot.
Speaker 3: Right, because most teams keep three tight ends right.
Speaker 2: Three ends, in some cases four like Baltimore.
Speaker 1: There's exceptions to every rule some teams keep too, but
Speaker 1: mostly I'd say the mean and the mean is three.
Speaker 3: Can I also like Chris Cooley and Fred Davis, they
Speaker 3: did specific things. You're a little you're different than them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you not only do you have a chance to
Speaker 3: make that the tight end spot, you're bringing something that
Speaker 3: they don't have. Yeah, or maybe they have it, but
Speaker 3: you know, your specialty is something different than there.
Speaker 1: And both those guys are like really tremendous football players.
Speaker 1: And I was very lucky to have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: learn from both those guys, you know, in different ways, right,
Speaker 1: but yeah, a little different. But again, like when you're
Speaker 1: that third tight end, you're not competing with those guys.
Speaker 1: And I let din't look at it like I was
Speaker 1: competing with them. I looked at it more like I
Speaker 1: was competing with the fifth linebacker, the sixth safety, because
Speaker 1: you're thinking about special team spots and allocations and like
Speaker 1: how do you stack up with those guys, and like.
Speaker 2: Can you develop a role on offense?
Speaker 1: Because really, if you're the third tight end, like for
Speaker 1: the team, it doesn't really matter because they'll easily put
Speaker 1: up six offensive linemen in there and say, hey, we
Speaker 1: don't need the third tight end this week, right for
Speaker 1: even for depth purposes. So that was kind of my philosophy.
Speaker 1: And again like I made it because of my relationship
Speaker 1: with the coach. That was one element is I knew
Speaker 1: he was going to give me a fair shot, which
Speaker 1: as a UDFA is really all you can ask for.
Speaker 1: I just want a fair shot. Then I think the
Speaker 1: other element too is like come in. And you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this little a little bit on the
Speaker 1: Command Center podcast with Fred and Santana, and Fred said
Speaker 1: the word consistency, and I do think that's a big element.
Speaker 1: Is I just treated it like it was a job,
Speaker 1: like it was my nine to five, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven, Like this is all I care about
Speaker 1: is making this football team. So how quickly can I
Speaker 1: learn the offense? How quickly can I show my mastery
Speaker 1: of the offense, and how quickly can I develop my
Speaker 1: technical acumen you know, like my footwork, my hand placement,
Speaker 1: all those different things. And that was that took a
Speaker 1: little bit of juice to took a little time for
Speaker 1: me to get there. But like I said, my titand
Speaker 1: coach believed in me. I had the right kind of
Speaker 1: work ethic mindset. You know, there was a couple of injuries.
Speaker 1: You know, Sean Ryan was the tight end who was
Speaker 1: ahead of me. He got hurt during OTA's and so
Speaker 1: they ended up cutting him. I ended up making it.
Speaker 1: Lee Vickers didn't have a great preseason. He's really good
Speaker 1: friend of mine, but didn't have a great preseason. I
Speaker 1: ended up making it over him, so just and they
Speaker 1: even drafted a guy that same year too, So just
Speaker 1: kind of fell the a little lucky, little good. But
Speaker 1: again I had to produce, Like I remember my one
Speaker 1: of my favorites stories about my rookie year. It's not
Speaker 1: a crazy story, but one of my things was like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish to every single football, like, no matter
Speaker 1: where it is, I'm only getting like six reps of practice,
Speaker 1: Like that ball could be an eighty yard touchdown. Like
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and finish in the shot next
Speaker 1: to that guy because at some point they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: who's this guy in every single shot?
Speaker 2: Right? And so pro Chris Samuels, he was.
Speaker 1: Like helping out with the offensive line and there was
Speaker 1: a play where I was running like a backside corner
Speaker 1: and they threw it I think it was to I
Speaker 1: think it was to Terrence Austin.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: In the flat to the side, he ran a little bit,
Speaker 1: he fumbled the ball and I don't know how I
Speaker 1: got over there, but I managed to get all the
Speaker 1: way over there and recover the fumble in the drill,
Speaker 1: and Chris came up to me as like, and he's
Speaker 1: told me since that, He's like, that's when I knew
Speaker 1: you were gonna you had a shot. Is because you
Speaker 1: were just like that locked in and it takes those
Speaker 1: because it's you know, I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: catch ten passes a day. I'm not Santana Moss, I'm
Speaker 1: not Fred Davis, I'm not Chris Cooley.
Speaker 2: I was gonna.
Speaker 1: I had to find ways to make myself noticed. So
Speaker 1: making sure that when the opportunity came, I was ready,
Speaker 1: like through study and preparation and then also just doing
Speaker 1: anything to just be like, who's that guy, Like, what's
Speaker 1: he doing over there?
Speaker 2: And doing the most? Yeah, doing the most, doing the
Speaker 2: most for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, So that's your advice for these guys.
Speaker 2: Do the most. Let's do the most.
Speaker 3: Be a little lucky, be a little good, do the most.
Speaker 3: I love I love your NFL story about like, seriously,
Speaker 3: every time you bring up like your stories about the NFL,
Speaker 3: how you got there, how you played through it, like
Speaker 3: the things you've gone through. Like it's just different hearing
Speaker 3: it from you, because there's this weird thing that we
Speaker 3: do as fans where we think we can do certain
Speaker 3: things and we definitely can't.
Speaker 2: Write.
Speaker 3: Like I'll preface that, like everybody that's in the NFL
Speaker 3: was like the best that their high school has ever
Speaker 3: seen before life Like that's don't you still hold your
Speaker 3: high school sack record or record? And then you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: Logan pulls in the third played in is like yeah,
Speaker 3: well he's also like the best as high school has
Speaker 3: ever seen. And so everybody that gets to that one
Speaker 3: percent the NFL is a tremendous athlete. But fans, including myself,
Speaker 3: I don't always view it that way. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: just hustle. Well just like oh he we like to
Speaker 3: do this a lot. He's either good or he's bad. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: And I guess the reason I like hearing your stories
Speaker 3: is because it makes me feel like I understand it,
Speaker 3: because it makes me feel like, yeah, just hustle, just
Speaker 3: like if it weren't for my knee, I could have
Speaker 3: done it like you.
Speaker 2: Hear that all the time.
Speaker 3: Weren't for that knee injury, I could have been in
Speaker 3: the NFL. Now that's not true. That's the caveat. That's
Speaker 3: not true, but.
Speaker 2: It is like, but.
Speaker 3: Fans get I relate to what you're talking about. Just grind,
Speaker 3: just hustle, because you're not born with this crazy gift.
Speaker 3: We're not, and we just work. We just hustle and
Speaker 3: like good things will come from it. Now, you were
Speaker 3: born with a crazy athletic gift. As much as you
Speaker 3: may not say it, but how big are you?
Speaker 2: About six or five? About two seventy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, five six and way too many LB's for what
Speaker 3: five to six should be. There's no chance I'm ever
Speaker 3: playing a professional sport. But I do understand the notion
Speaker 3: of work hard, grind hard, the underdog story, right. So
Speaker 3: I just love hearing you.
Speaker 2: No, that's that makes me happy because it is.
Speaker 1: I don't always appreciate it because you know, I get
Speaker 1: to do stuff with Fred and Santana and be Mitch
Speaker 1: and you know London Fletcher, guys who are borderline Hall
Speaker 1: of famer. So my story is not as you know,
Speaker 1: it's different than theirs, and so it's.
Speaker 3: More relatable even though you're still an NFL athlete that's
Speaker 3: a one percent echelon athlete. That is like you're you're
Speaker 3: crazy athletic.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, but like your Josh Connerly challenge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just watching you, I'm like my hamstring hurts.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, it was definitely the Camra angle. You did
Speaker 2: a great job film in that. For me.
Speaker 1: I got multiple comments about the gasp at the end
Speaker 1: and how that really added to the aura of the video.
Speaker 3: Well, the gas was in and what you did it
Speaker 3: was my hands free. Oh all right, let's get into
Speaker 3: the udfas I'm done, done, done.
Speaker 1: Slawilkere all right, So I guess we'll start just go
Speaker 1: straight down the list.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, let's do it. Man.
Speaker 3: I'll defer to you because you've watched these guys wing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll start with Timothy McKay Gardens. He stay
Speaker 1: and he first popped on my radar at the Shrine Bowl,
Speaker 1: and he was a guy that when you watch one
Speaker 1: on ones like was the kind of low key dominant right,
Speaker 1: he just like had a great feel for the pass.
Speaker 1: Pro like he's going against like C. J. West, who
Speaker 1: was a drafted player and kind of locked them down.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So he has got thirty four in an eighth inch arms,
Speaker 1: he's got pretty good movement skills, like for a guy
Speaker 1: of his size, I will say the one thing that
Speaker 1: sticks out to me is he's still I feel like,
Speaker 1: developing in his like core midsection area. So like sometimes
Speaker 1: when he gets a bull rush, it's hard for him
Speaker 1: to like fully sit it, or like when he's in
Speaker 1: a double team combination, like his shoulder gets turned. But
Speaker 1: I think you see an athlete with the length and
Speaker 1: feeling pass protection that could be at some point a
Speaker 1: rotational guard, maybe a swing guard. And you know, given
Speaker 1: the right kind of ecosystem and environment, maybe he's you know,
Speaker 1: he starts a couple of games for you, so's he's
Speaker 1: definitely And I got to say this about all these
Speaker 1: guys that are all developmental, they've all got a warts
Speaker 1: their game. Like I think he tore his peck at
Speaker 1: his prote doing bench press, you know, so he might
Speaker 1: not be ready to go until August or September. But
Speaker 1: an interesting guy, a guy that I think from an
Speaker 1: offensive line standpoint, has a lot of things you like,
Speaker 1: a lot of things you're searching for and especially if
Speaker 1: you can play that guard spot or play center, like
Speaker 1: I think it's a good fit for the team.
Speaker 3: So it's depth, right, Like you're trying to get some
Speaker 3: depth here of a guy like you said that's developmental,
Speaker 3: can learn behind a Sam Cosmi, right, can add that
Speaker 3: depth to where like you're growing and if there's injuries
Speaker 3: or you need to step into a role, you got
Speaker 3: someone there that, hopefully for the next couple of years,
Speaker 3: can fill a void. And who knows, Like you said,
Speaker 3: there's all potential here. Maybe he can become a starter
Speaker 3: over time. Because here's the thing about him, Like again
Speaker 3: we talked about tape, so I saw him, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't watching for him, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I was watching for anything right.
Speaker 3: Also from Inzay State, so I have seen him play
Speaker 3: and at six four, three twelve or three fifteen, only
Speaker 3: four sacks allowed in thirty eight games that he played.
Speaker 3: That's pretty nign good. And last year in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four he had zero QB hits. So there's something there, right,
Speaker 3: there's good tape there. So maybe the torn peck is
Speaker 3: what has them fall a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think he's a draftable player.
Speaker 1: I think so like I think that in the injury
Speaker 1: is probably something that pushed him down a little bit.
Speaker 2: And how much does guard matter?
Speaker 3: Because in the draft there's such a value for tackle
Speaker 3: that you're are you more willing to take a chance
Speaker 3: on a less polished tackle because maybe with that and
Speaker 3: tackles so premium, then I'll take a good guard.
Speaker 1: I just think it's this is just my personal draft philosophy.
Speaker 1: I think it's just so hard to find a starting
Speaker 1: caliber tackle. Like a good example this is Jalen Travis.
Speaker 1: We talked about him a lot on Tick to the
Speaker 1: draft throughout the process, like is he there right now?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But the thing that makes him so enticing, like his
Speaker 1: film is probably not too much different than Timothy McKay.
Speaker 1: Like it's probably not in terms of like the wins
Speaker 1: the losses. It's it's kind of in the same bucket.
Speaker 1: There's some good, some bad, but it's just there's only
Speaker 1: a couple guys on planet Earth who can play right
Speaker 1: or left tackle in the NFL, Like there's just and
Speaker 1: you know, some people say, oh, there's sixty four. I
Speaker 1: don't even think there's sixty four guys. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of teams are like, man, we need to upgrade
Speaker 1: tackle at guard for whatever reason. I think because the
Speaker 1: body type is more universal, like the heights not as important.
Speaker 1: The crazy arm length isn't important, So you get guys
Speaker 1: who like Timothy six Foards, a big guy, but not
Speaker 1: six seven like Jaalen Travis.
Speaker 2: He's three point fifteen.
Speaker 1: Jalen Travis is three forty, right, Like, it's just a
Speaker 1: different style of body and so I think that I
Speaker 1: think this is a good football player. I think, like
Speaker 1: I said, there's some mid sections, some waist spending that
Speaker 1: needs to be cleaned up. But when you look at him, say, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but in two years, do we
Speaker 1: have a guy that could be the swing guard for us?
Speaker 1: Like that's pretty encouraging, and I think he's got that
Speaker 1: in him. It's just about this is where the stuff
Speaker 1: that I talked about with my story and stuff that
Speaker 1: I've observed with other UDA phase is how much are
Speaker 1: you willing to grind and how much can you get
Speaker 1: better your own year?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also yeah, teams like to do the thing
Speaker 3: where it's we're okay with tackles, failing at tackle and
Speaker 3: then we'll push him in the guard. A lot of
Speaker 3: teams are happy to do that, and so that hurts
Speaker 3: guys that are just guards because you're a guard in college,
Speaker 3: but all these tackles are going to go before you
Speaker 3: because okay, you need a tackle or you want to
Speaker 3: upgrade a tackle. That's a premium position. And then if
Speaker 3: they fail, we'll just move you on the guard. So
Speaker 3: it kind of it just devalues the position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he played tackle a little bit in college
Speaker 1: to play a little bit of guard. He reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of like Jalen Rivers, the guy from
Speaker 1: Miami to guard.
Speaker 2: Tackle for Miami.
Speaker 1: The thing that differentiates them in my opinion is they
Speaker 1: they're very similar players actually, but Jalen Rivers is just
Speaker 1: a powerhouse.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just very strong.
Speaker 1: I think the like I said, the core, the lack
Speaker 1: of like elite play strength shows up with McKay. But
Speaker 1: again that's what Chad Engelhart and the strength to up
Speaker 1: here is for, like, get those guys nice and big
Speaker 1: and strong, and you know, we'll see what happens because again,
Speaker 1: the stuff that you can't coach is there.
Speaker 2: I think you're around a five to one forty.
Speaker 1: He's got good arm length, thirty four, like thirty four
Speaker 1: out of eighth is great arm length, so interesting kind
Speaker 1: of developmental guy for sure.
Speaker 3: Well let's stay on the line, but move to the
Speaker 3: other side of the ball. And that's Ricky Barber. Yes,
Speaker 3: not Ricky Bobby, as Fred almost says every single time,
Speaker 3: defensive tackle from Central Florida, Florida. But like Ricky Bobby,
Speaker 3: he does like to go fast. He gets off the
Speaker 3: line really quick. He's six three, two ninety five and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four yearl was an All Big twelve honorable mention.
Speaker 2: Tell me about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's a guy that reminds me of they
Speaker 1: kind of a type at defensive tackle specifically, like they
Speaker 1: like guys that are kind of saw it off and
Speaker 1: just really explosive like Powell I think was.
Speaker 2: His name from last year. Yeah, very explosively. And he's
Speaker 2: still he's still in the building. He's still in the roster.
Speaker 1: And so you know, like I went to the Beast
Speaker 1: and looked up high So he's listed at sixty three.
Speaker 1: He's actually six to one and like right around no
Speaker 1: School I pulled up for this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like so, I'm just saying, like the
Speaker 1: he's he's a short squatty, really explosive guy through the hips,
Speaker 1: and he's got long arms, Like yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that about a lot of guys, but
Speaker 1: they do a good job of finding guys that have trade.
Speaker 1: So like for a guy who's six's one, he's got
Speaker 1: thirty three and a quarter inch arms, and you feel
Speaker 1: that when you watch the film, like he explodes out
Speaker 1: of his stance. He snaps his hands on people. You
Speaker 1: see guys head snap back. Just with his arm length
Speaker 1: and his explosiveness. He is built kind of like what
Speaker 1: you assume a pastors are looks like six one five.
Speaker 1: He is a run stopping kind of master, right, so
Speaker 1: he knows like again we talked about the hand placement.
Speaker 1: He can sit guards down. He knows how to play
Speaker 1: across double teams. He knows how to like when we
Speaker 1: get a puller, I know how to ref at the run.
Speaker 1: He's got good feet enough to do that. As a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Again, he'll win with power because he's so
Speaker 1: snappy on the initial get off. But he's not like
Speaker 1: an elite linear athlete, like he ran a five to two.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, like his numbers aren't great, but that
Speaker 1: initial snap the initial hand strength, the initial like grip
Speaker 1: and kind of rip and kind of get to an edge.
Speaker 1: There's something there, right, And again he's not a perfect prospect.
Speaker 1: He's not a great pass rusher. But if you're looking
Speaker 1: for guy that, hey, we need a body in here
Speaker 1: to like stop the run, I think his developer like
Speaker 1: hell yeah, Like I think this is a guy that
Speaker 1: like fits that mold.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He's like a guy that understands how to work the pads.
Speaker 1: What I mean by work the pants to get my
Speaker 1: hands on the pads, turn, push, pull, And I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's ever going to be a lead pass rusher,
Speaker 1: but he is a really good run defender. And if
Speaker 1: you're trying to then think about this for an UDFA,
Speaker 1: you're trying to find something that gets him on the field,
Speaker 1: and that is his superpower. And if you can show
Speaker 1: that to be a superpower, I think he might end
Speaker 1: up mess around and kind of being that six to
Speaker 1: seventh rotational guy.
Speaker 3: All right, let's move one level back on defense and
Speaker 3: let's do the linebackers next.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna jump around a little bit here on
Speaker 2: the sheet.
Speaker 3: Let's start with Cam Arnold from Boston College linebacker. I
Speaker 3: have his team measurements here, so they could be a
Speaker 3: little off, like you said, but six one, two nine,
Speaker 3: he was a team captain, only played seven games, Like
Speaker 3: this is going to be a theme that's here. There's
Speaker 3: an injury that stopped him in twenty twenty four. In
Speaker 3: those seven games, so he had forty tackles and an
Speaker 3: interception of force fumble.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about him.
Speaker 3: He ran a four five eight forty that's ninety one
Speaker 3: percentile this year for linebackers, and he had a thirty
Speaker 3: eight inch vert which is ninety three percentile. So explosive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he makes his home if he's
Speaker 1: going to make the team as a special teams guy.
Speaker 2: Like that's the vibe you get.
Speaker 1: He's a little stiff for a modern linebacker, kind of
Speaker 1: like the high school like I want to go downhill,
Speaker 1: I want to hit stuff, I want to run sideline
Speaker 1: a sideline, but moving forward when he's got a backpedal,
Speaker 1: not great, really stiff, But I will say he does
Speaker 1: show a good instinct for the ball, like he identifies
Speaker 1: route concepts really well.
Speaker 2: He communicated.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's a very smart football player, and
Speaker 1: he does flash quite a bit, so again he gets
Speaker 1: stuck on Blox with something we talked about with Pooh,
Speaker 1: remember the linebacker.
Speaker 2: From all Yes, Like, oh, I remember, yeah, one of
Speaker 2: his favorites. Kind of a little bit of that to him.
Speaker 1: Not ideal length, but a guy that can run, a
Speaker 1: guy that's physical, a guy that's smart. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: the linebacker room seems really crowded all of a sudden
Speaker 1: with the addition of like Caane Madrono and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I like them, and I think
Speaker 1: he adds value as a teams player potentially, so interesting
Speaker 1: kind of developmental role, kind of piece, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean with.
Speaker 3: These linebackers that they're bringing in, like you said special
Speaker 3: teams and how Caine is built kind of like a
Speaker 3: safety linebacker hybrid, Like do you think that their linebacker
Speaker 3: is Like when we say linebacker, we think London Fletcher,
Speaker 3: we think Bobby Wagner, like you think that traditional build,
Speaker 3: And like this defense looks like it's moving more towards
Speaker 3: like this hybrid. They're just calling it linebacker now and
Speaker 3: that's great for special teams and situational things. Is that
Speaker 3: do you feel like it's moving that way?
Speaker 1: I think so, But I think instead of thinking of
Speaker 1: like cam Arnold, he's a little bit different. He's like
Speaker 1: kind of he's six foot six to one on the
Speaker 1: BC's six foot like everyone's adding an inch or taking
Speaker 1: away an inch. He's about two thirty so kind of
Speaker 1: a shorter, squatty build kind of Khalie Hudson a little
Speaker 1: bit kind of reminds.
Speaker 2: Me of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, think about your your your Dominique Campton's,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, your cave Madrono's, your Tyler Owens,
Speaker 1: Like those are the body types that I think they want.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: The reason I say special teams is because he feels
Speaker 1: like a hammer head special teams linebacker. Right, they could
Speaker 1: come in in a situation and play for you on
Speaker 1: defense if you need. But like he just screams linebacker
Speaker 1: the way he runs the football, like how he takes on.
Speaker 3: Blocks like more Jordan mcgeeish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Jordan McGee's even you know Jordan gee
Speaker 1: sixty three, he's again.
Speaker 3: He's bigger, yeah, Like he's very clearly linebacker.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is this is a linebacker. Linebacker, linebacker.
Speaker 1: And so to me, like the stiffness is a little
Speaker 1: bit concerning, but the top end speed is exciting. The
Speaker 1: vertical is exciting because that shows up that explosive. This
Speaker 1: shows up and it just about now like where does
Speaker 1: it fit? And it to me it fits right away
Speaker 1: on teams.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about another linebacker, one of your
Speaker 3: brethren from UCLA. I'm gonna do my best to get
Speaker 3: his name right. You can tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Is it Ali Kho?
Speaker 2: I think that's right. I might look up the pronunciation.
Speaker 3: It could be Caho, but I'm pretty sure it's Ali
Speaker 3: ca Hoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah Kho. He's a linebacker from UCLA. He's sixty three.
Speaker 1: I think he's about two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 1: He ran a four or five oh you know, so
Speaker 1: fast forty. He's got long arms for a linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's got thirty two and three quarters inch arms,
Speaker 1: so like kind of fits that prototypical mold. He was
Speaker 1: a five star recruit coming out of high school, went
Speaker 1: to Alabama and transferred UCLA. He was a tough guy
Speaker 1: to watch because he's in this defense with Caane Drona.
Speaker 2: We talked about what a good athlete is.
Speaker 1: He's in the defense with Swassenger, the guy that went
Speaker 1: thirty third overall to Cleveland and Olidasion, and those guys
Speaker 1: like just pop off the screen from like a movement
Speaker 1: standpoint and a physicality standpoint. So he's kind of the
Speaker 1: fourth guy, you know, the fourth element and even their
Speaker 1: defensive line. At some guys that got drafted this year,
Speaker 1: the nose guard got drafted, the five technique got drafted.
Speaker 1: So you say that had a bunch of guys come
Speaker 1: off the field. So he was kind of behind those
Speaker 1: guys in terms of rotation. So there'd be games where
Speaker 1: he wouldn't play at all, he'd play fifteen snaps. And
Speaker 1: so what I do see as a guy that has
Speaker 1: the length and the athleticism to play linebacker the NFL level,
Speaker 1: he hasn't done it at college yet. He hasn't really
Speaker 1: found his home yet, And I think this feels like
Speaker 1: an upside swing, right.
Speaker 2: Ken Norton Junior recruited him.
Speaker 1: Ken Norton Junior knows him, and that relationship is obviously
Speaker 1: one of the reasons he's here. But the length, the size,
Speaker 1: that's all there. You see him when he goes downhill
Speaker 1: to like take on blocks and stuff. He's instinctive downhill.
Speaker 1: He's still got to work on kind of keeping his
Speaker 1: and using his length of keeping.
Speaker 2: His leverage coverage.
Speaker 1: Just got a little bit of work to do, but
Speaker 1: it makes sense because he hasn't played a lot, but
Speaker 1: the athlete is there, and so this is one of
Speaker 1: those ones that feels like, if I was betting on
Speaker 1: a guy to make a practice squad, it may be him,
Speaker 1: right because as much as I like cam Arnold's film,
Speaker 1: I think the ceiling for Ali is significantly higher just
Speaker 1: because just from a measurement standpoint and a movement standpoint.
Speaker 1: So that's the one I would kind of point to
Speaker 1: and say, like, if there's a guy that's going to
Speaker 1: develop in the mold of linebacker that they seem to
Speaker 1: be more comfortable with. It's taller, longer, a little bit leaner,
Speaker 1: but guys that can run. He can run, and then
Speaker 1: they kind of develop that skill set to fit the defense.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing with him.
Speaker 3: He sounds like a commander in the sense that his
Speaker 3: journey to the NFL was not easy. Like you said,
Speaker 3: he was at Alabama, could not find a home there
Speaker 3: for three seasons, but was a special team's demon there.
Speaker 3: So what is that?
Speaker 2: How does that speak to being a.
Speaker 3: Commander like staying ready, Like even when he gets in
Speaker 3: the games on special teams, he wants to be a starter.
Speaker 3: I'm sure being a five star recruit, he probably thought
Speaker 3: he was coming in and you'd get playing time and
Speaker 3: he doesn't. But he's ready and he's set to go
Speaker 3: on special teams, not quitting, not giving up. Goes to UCLA,
Speaker 3: does the same sort of thing. So like the mentality, right,
Speaker 3: I love football. I'm a grinder. I can be on
Speaker 3: the sideline waiting my turn, and when I get my turn,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna flash. I'm going to do what I need
Speaker 3: to do. And those are guys that you want, right like,
Speaker 3: especially when they have what you were talking about, the measurables,
Speaker 3: and there are things that are there that like if
Speaker 3: we get you more time, if we train you up,
Speaker 3: coach you up a little bit more, we might have
Speaker 3: something special here. It might be a diamond and rough
Speaker 3: that's what you're looking for with you definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then that's exactly right, And it feels like a
Speaker 1: perfect guy to take a swing on. And so that's
Speaker 1: why not a lot of production, not a lot of
Speaker 1: games played, but the relationship with Ken Norton Junior, like
Speaker 1: I empathize with that, I had a relationship with my
Speaker 1: college to college I had and coach he was here,
Speaker 1: And if there's someone in the building who trusts you,
Speaker 1: you're going to get an opportunity. Yeah, And whether it's
Speaker 1: teams or defense, Like, he's an interesting guy to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on for.
Speaker 3: All Right, moving back one more level in the defense,
Speaker 3: We're going to go to the safety zet are on
Speaker 3: the list here. Let's start with Trey Rucker. Trey Rucker,
Speaker 3: the safety out of Oklahoma State. I have him a
Speaker 3: six foot maybe he's going to be five.
Speaker 2: Eleven, yeah, one.
Speaker 3: In twenty and twenty four last season, he had eighty
Speaker 3: four tackles, fifty four of them were solo, which led
Speaker 3: the team for a safety two interceptions. He had a
Speaker 3: game versus Arkansas where he had seventeen tackles. Seventeen tackles
Speaker 3: in one game. That was a record for the school
Speaker 3: for a single game.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you kind of took the words right
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Like when you watch the film,
Speaker 1: he is an excellent tackler, and I mean excellent in
Speaker 1: the sense that like not only is he very confident
Speaker 1: in the collision portion of the tackle, but he takes
Speaker 1: really good angles and he's very urgent to the tackle.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of like Mustafa from
Speaker 1: Wake Forest from last year, very downhill as a safety,
Speaker 1: understands where to fit and is not afraid to make
Speaker 1: the tackle. And to me, of all the guys I watched,
Speaker 1: this is going to sound crazy, was probably the most
Speaker 1: Mandare commander in terms of just the tackle, the urgency
Speaker 1: to get downhill. You know, not the best thing coverage,
Speaker 1: not the best athlete, but when I think of what
Speaker 1: they value its safety and what they value in the defense,
Speaker 1: it's tackling, and this guy does it probably better than
Speaker 1: anybody in the draft class.
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy sounds like he's built for special teams.
Speaker 3: So the way that we do kickoffs now, the good
Speaker 3: angles to good tackling put them one there. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: and he could he could be very solid for you.
Speaker 3: I think that's how he's going to make this team
Speaker 3: is just being a demon on the kickoffs.
Speaker 1: And it definitely shows up with when you watch him
Speaker 1: in the defense, like again, seventeen tackles against Arkansas, like
Speaker 1: he's a man. I like watching defensive players who show
Speaker 1: a tremendous urgency to tackle the ball. Carrier and he's
Speaker 1: running by guys on his own team like he's I
Speaker 1: like him a lot, you know, again, like is the
Speaker 1: athletic ceiling there? I have no idea he didn't run
Speaker 1: a forty like we look, try to look it up.
Speaker 1: Not there, But the energy, the jews, the tackling. I
Speaker 1: really really like the player.
Speaker 3: The next safety on the list is also I think
Speaker 3: one of your favorites on this list with guys I
Speaker 3: like evaluating is Robert McDaniel Bobby mcdee, the safety from
Speaker 3: Jackson State. Fred talks a lot about him on the
Speaker 3: Command Center podcast that's going to come out tomorrow. We
Speaker 3: go through some of these guys, but I want you
Speaker 3: to tell me why you like him so much. He's interesting,
Speaker 3: he's interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting guy.
Speaker 1: And again, like he's playing at Jackson State, so not
Speaker 1: the best level of competition. Like the game I watched
Speaker 1: was against Alabama State, you know, so Alabama State they
Speaker 1: run like kind of what I would have kind to
Speaker 1: like a high school offense.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: He's safety by trade, but he plays like the star
Speaker 1: overhang player. So there's times where he's like guarding a
Speaker 1: receiver and then in the same series, depending on the
Speaker 1: front he's like lined up over the tight end, like
Speaker 1: taking on pulling tackles and like chinning offensive linemen and
Speaker 1: using and the thing is like some guys really shy
Speaker 1: away from that safeties and stuff, but he uses his
Speaker 1: link so well. He's got just over thirty two in
Speaker 1: j arms, So for safety, that's very good, shitting offensive
Speaker 1: lineman shedding using his hands. And then I haven't seen
Speaker 1: this yet, but I talked to a scout about him
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, I actually saw him play
Speaker 1: in the box like basically linebacker, which he does in
Speaker 1: that system. And then he played outside corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this sounds like the best player when I was
Speaker 3: in my high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't remember his name.
Speaker 3: I wish I could shout him out, but what he
Speaker 3: would do he played running back on offense, and then
Speaker 3: he'd switch over and he was safety corner if we
Speaker 3: were getting burnt by a wide receiver on the other team.
Speaker 3: And then every now and then he was like the
Speaker 3: Michael Parson's like I'm gonna rush the passer and get
Speaker 3: a sack or be a linebacker.
Speaker 2: Guess what else he was?
Speaker 3: He was our kicker really, Yeah, so he just the
Speaker 3: term athlete, right, He just you're the best player by far,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna put you everywhere. And that's what this
Speaker 3: guy kind of feels like. I mean, not to that
Speaker 3: crazy high school extent, but he's just all over the place.
Speaker 1: And he's interesting because he's there are some issues with
Speaker 1: his game. You can tell his soul, say learning, but
Speaker 1: kind of there's times where it's like, who am I
Speaker 1: supposed to cover?
Speaker 2: Oh? This guy? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's kind of working through some stuff. And again, the
Speaker 1: level of competition is a big deal. But in terms
Speaker 1: of like what I think they want when we talked
Speaker 1: about kind of the longer, taller, more angular tweeter type
Speaker 1: positions like Caine's a good example of that. Dominic Campton
Speaker 1: is a good example of that. Ben Nichols, Tyler Owens,
Speaker 1: like everybody they brought in.
Speaker 2: He fits.
Speaker 1: It's like, here's your Coppyn copy of those guys. And
Speaker 1: the coverage ability is excellent, right and the stuff against
Speaker 1: the run is excellent at that level of competition. Can
Speaker 1: he grow and can he develop that at this level?
Speaker 1: I think will be really interesting. So that's that's something
Speaker 1: that I think is is compelling about him.
Speaker 3: All right, let's move to the outside corners Carlin Vigers
Speaker 3: will start their cornerback from Louisiana Row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Louisiana in Roe.
Speaker 1: And he looks apart man of like a Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: traditional corner. He's got kind of looks a little bit
Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman. He's got the dreads, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got Anywhere's number one. He's sixty too, hes two hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: They ran and the game I watched was them versus Texas,
Speaker 1: and so obviously there's Isaiah Bond, There's Matthew Golden. You know,
Speaker 1: there's Gunner Helm the tight end, and he in cover
Speaker 1: three just has a really good feel for keeping things
Speaker 1: in front of him, reading out concepts and man coverage.
Speaker 1: You feel his size, you feel his strength, you feel
Speaker 1: his length. Yeah, I mean, he looked like an NFL ballplayer.
Speaker 1: And so after watching that, I was a little surprised
Speaker 1: that he wasn't drafted. But apparently that was one of
Speaker 1: his better games from the year. And so sometimes when
Speaker 1: you watch a guy's better game, you tend to have
Speaker 1: an inflated perspective of what he can be. With the
Speaker 1: Udia FANM fine with that because ultimately, like that's what
Speaker 1: he should be right, he should like that's the best
Speaker 1: version of what he can be. And so I think
Speaker 1: there's some stuff in terms of urgency with you know,
Speaker 1: getting the tackles, physicality. In terms of tackling, I think
Speaker 1: he can do it. But a guy that I was
Speaker 1: really impressed with. Obviously, the two safeties are guys that
Speaker 1: I really really like. But in terms of guys that
Speaker 1: could potentially make an impact this year, he's got to
Speaker 1: be on the short list. Like again, I like the
Speaker 1: play style of Trey Rucker. I like the play style
Speaker 1: of Robert McDaniel. I like the flexibility that they bring.
Speaker 1: But Carlyn Viggers feels like the guy that has the
Speaker 1: best shot to make the team in year one, whereas
Speaker 1: those other guys feel a little bit more developmental.
Speaker 3: All right, And now to the other corner. Fentral Cyprus
Speaker 3: cornerback from Florida State. Going back to that theme. An
Speaker 3: injury in twenty twenty four, he only played nine games.
Speaker 3: In those nine games, twenty seven tackles, five pass breakups.
Speaker 3: But here is what I want to tell you about him.
Speaker 3: Santana Moss actually led me onto this in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: He was at Virginia, which he had thirteen pass breakups
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty three he was
Speaker 3: at Florida State. Maybe in Florida State seven pass breakups
Speaker 3: in the nine games that he played last year five
Speaker 3: pass breakupst Why do you keep throwing the ball to
Speaker 3: this indeed? Right like he is there to make plays
Speaker 3: on the ball. Now, only one interception in this college
Speaker 3: clear career. So he's not getting the ball, he's not
Speaker 3: taking it away. Maybe he just doesn't have that as
Speaker 3: Fred says, you either have it or you don't. Maybe
Speaker 3: he just doesn't have it. But he's right there, he's
Speaker 3: making plays on the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think he's really interesting because of the
Speaker 1: athletic profile. He's six foot one hundred and eighty two pounds.
Speaker 1: You're in a four to four to three thirty eight
Speaker 1: in vertical ten to three broad six' eight four to three.
Speaker 1: Cone that's, excellent and so you're looking at a plus.
Speaker 1: Athlete he's a six year football. Player jason just talked
Speaker 1: about his. Production you feel his, length you feel his
Speaker 1: ability to match. Concepts, again he plays At Florida. State
Speaker 1: they play a ton a ton of man, coverage which
Speaker 1: to me is extremely important to my.
Speaker 2: Evaluation you, know.
Speaker 1: We talked about that on Our ticket to The draft
Speaker 1: episode With fred where we did, cornerbacks LIKE i want
Speaker 1: corners who can play man and can, tackle AND i
Speaker 1: think he does those things at an extremely high. LEVEL
Speaker 1: i Think Carlin viggers maybe has a slightly higher, ceiling
Speaker 1: but in terms of athletic, ceiling compete in toughness Like
Speaker 1: Fentral cyprus is an impressive football. Player, again the nine
Speaker 1: games is probably one of the reasons he doesn't get.
Speaker 1: Drafted but both the corners are, good both the safeties are,
Speaker 1: good good football. Players and again WHEN i say, GOOD
Speaker 1: i got a criticism THAT i say that too often about.
Speaker 1: PLAYERS i think if you see them for what their role,
Speaker 1: Is i'm not expecting these guys to come in and
Speaker 1: be starters day. One my expectation would be much. Different
Speaker 1: if you said we Drafted Carlin viggers in the sixth
Speaker 1: round to be a starting Corner i'm, like, man we're
Speaker 1: gonna be in a lot of trouble because he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of way to go in terms of. Development
Speaker 1: but DO i see a path where all four of
Speaker 1: these secondary players could develop into that?
Speaker 2: Role like, AGAIN i don't feel quite as as.
Speaker 1: Impassionate about the, linebackers for, Example but those four secondary,
Speaker 1: PLAYERS i think they fit a type of. PLAYER i
Speaker 1: think they fit a skill, set AND i think they
Speaker 1: have a mentality that seems to resonate with that that
Speaker 1: that infamous term you talked, About jason of being a.
Speaker 2: Commander all, right let's go to the other side of the.
Speaker 3: BALL i Think rome is done, here, Right i'm as
Speaker 3: saying a wide, receivers, right reide, receivers all.
Speaker 2: Right so we have two of.
Speaker 3: Them let's Do Jacoby jones wide receiver From Central, florida
Speaker 3: not the Other Jacoby, jones, right that played in THE
Speaker 3: nfl for a. While so Another jacoby sixth one by the,
Speaker 3: way six to, one not six three two twenty. Eight
Speaker 3: who knows that's? Right but, uh last year twenty two,
Speaker 3: receptions three hundred and twenty seven, yards two. Touchdowns so
Speaker 3: didn't see a lot of action as far as a.
Speaker 3: Receiver but why are we bringing them in? Here what
Speaker 3: did you see from?
Speaker 1: Him, yeah he's one of the more interesting ones to.
Speaker 1: ME i Just i'm curious to see what the staff
Speaker 1: does with him because he is, big like he looks
Speaker 1: like a running back when he's got the ball in his,
Speaker 1: hands AND i, thought, well maybe you, know he played
Speaker 1: a little bit of running. Back, no that wasn't really
Speaker 1: in his. PAST i think he catches the football. Fine
Speaker 1: he's not a g. Athlete he's not super. EXPLOSIVE i
Speaker 1: think he ran a four to six eight at the.
Speaker 1: Combine so there's a little bit of you, know stuff
Speaker 1: going on. There in terms of what is his athletic,
Speaker 1: CEILING i have no, idea BUT i like the. COMPETITOR
Speaker 1: i like what he does with the ball after the.
Speaker 1: Catch in the game against SHOOT byu thought he looked.
Speaker 2: Like a VERY.
Speaker 1: I wan't say, dominant but very competent football. Player and,
Speaker 1: again the production is, very very, low and so it's
Speaker 1: hard to kind of extrapolate off of. That but interesting guy,
Speaker 1: again Because i'm NOT i don't, know, like is he
Speaker 1: fast enough to play? Teams is he long enough and
Speaker 1: fast enough to play? RECEIVER i don't. Know he's a
Speaker 1: guy That i'm curious to see how he progresses over
Speaker 1: the course of the.
Speaker 3: Summer, yeah, absolutely all. Right the last ONE i want
Speaker 3: to talk about is actually one of my favorite ones
Speaker 3: THAT i, watched and It's Joe Corey, brooks wide receiver From.
Speaker 3: Louisville six to three maybe, yeah six, three there we
Speaker 3: go six three one ninety five and he was first
Speaker 3: Team ALL acc sixty one receptions over one thousand, yards nine.
Speaker 3: Touchdowns pretty good.
Speaker 1: Production, yeah and he's just Like johnny Smooth, Man, like,
Speaker 1: yeah he was a fun guy to, Watch like he's
Speaker 1: so interesting Watching Jacoby, jones then Watching Jacory. Brooks Jacory
Speaker 1: brooks From. Louisville he tracks the football really. Well he
Speaker 1: catches the football really. Well he's got a nice subtlety
Speaker 1: to how he runs, routes especially in the short. Area
Speaker 1: his short airy acceleration is very. GOOD i think he
Speaker 1: ran like a one five four, ten which is good
Speaker 1: for a guy who's sixty. Three he ran a four six'
Speaker 1: five forty, yard dash so the top end speed. Isn't
Speaker 1: there so in the short area he reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit Of Like, stevie johnson, you know kind of
Speaker 1: like good. Double sticks big body can protect. The throw
Speaker 1: but there's nice a nice suddenness. Tune game his deficiency
Speaker 1: show up when, it's, LIKE hey i caught, THE ball
Speaker 1: i made a. Guy miss and now most receivers. Go
Speaker 1: score it's Like now i'm looking around like who's going to?
Speaker 2: Catch me.
Speaker 1: Type deal but he's a. Big, body again he catches
Speaker 1: the f fotball like. His superpower see how he catches.
Speaker 1: The football he catches the football away from. His frame
Speaker 1: he tracks the football. Really WELL and i could see
Speaker 1: a path where he's a guy that maybe didn't tests,
Speaker 1: super well but the ten yard, splits there the way
Speaker 1: he tracks the football.
Speaker 2: IS there i like how he.
Speaker 1: Runs route he does a good job of like being
Speaker 1: friendly to, the quarterback uses his frame to protect. The
Speaker 1: ball so a GUY that i THINK is i think,
Speaker 1: IS compelling i think. IS interesting i think can make
Speaker 1: the team depending on how he plays. Special teams but as,
Speaker 1: A receiver i really like what he brings to.
Speaker 3: The. Table, absolutely yeah he was fun to Watch and
Speaker 3: i'm excited ABOUT THIS udf. A class like you were,
Speaker 3: saying earlier it's not the athletics standout that last. Year
Speaker 3: was but there are some good ball. Players here there.
Speaker 1: Really ARE and i look at that just and again
Speaker 1: we're going through those, defensive Backs The, carlon viggers the,
Speaker 1: central Cypruses the robert McDaniels From jackson state That The
Speaker 1: trey rutgers like their, Film's good like. IT'S not i
Speaker 1: understand why they didn't. Get drafted there's some, athletic limitations
Speaker 1: there's some, Age limitations there's a lot of things going,
Speaker 1: on there those level of. Competition stuff but they Look
Speaker 1: like commanders football players and that makes me. Really excited
Speaker 1: do you want TO just i got any you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the mini camp invites or is that
Speaker 1: JUST too.
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about one.
Speaker 3: Real quick so a mini camp invite is the one
Speaker 3: that is garnering a lot of the attention as well.
Speaker 3: It Should Is, gabe taylor the younger Brother Of sean
Speaker 3: Taylor from rice Safety. From rice here's how we're going to.
Speaker 3: Do it The fred santana They Knew sean taylor. Very
Speaker 3: well i'm going to let them Speak To gabe taylor
Speaker 3: coming here and they know what that means here On
Speaker 3: The command, CENTER podcast.
Speaker 1: I think and one they know, him personally they have a.
Speaker 1: Great relationship let's have you talk about him as.
Speaker 3: A player because we've actually gotten a lot of comments
Speaker 3: about What About gabe taylor throughout, the year and we
Speaker 3: both watched them and to me it, WAS like i
Speaker 3: just don't think he's going to, get DRAFTED and i
Speaker 3: think that that can be kind of touchy for fans
Speaker 3: before we get to the point of where he. Is,
Speaker 3: Here right so now that he is going to be
Speaker 3: here as an invite to, mini camp let's let's have
Speaker 3: you give us your prospect evaluation.
Speaker 1: On him so, you know he's, five eight he's one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty, five pounds so not a. Big guy,
Speaker 1: you know he ran a four or. FIVE two i
Speaker 1: think was listed In the beast is what it was
Speaker 1: listened that tenness that he ran a four to. Seven
Speaker 1: nine so tomato tomato depends on. The stopwatch, it's very,
Speaker 1: very close. SO explosive i like the way. HE plays
Speaker 1: I like i like the energy that. HE brings i
Speaker 1: think he's got a, good urgency like what like if
Speaker 1: you are an urgent, football player like that's, A COP
Speaker 1: like i don't give that compliment, to, Everybody RIGHT and
Speaker 1: i like that. About him he's he's trying to make,
Speaker 1: the tackle he's trying to get, down hill he's trying
Speaker 1: to get to the football as quickly as. He can
Speaker 1: takes decent angles in the past game, not great, you
Speaker 1: know like a little bit up and down and he's not.
Speaker 2: A thunderous tackler because he's not a.
Speaker 1: Big guy AND so i think about the small Safeties that,
Speaker 1: i've known Like The bob sapps of, the world, for,
Speaker 1: example right Or The bob sanders what's his Name, from
Speaker 1: indianapolis the, Safety, anyway sanders. Thank you he he's got this,
Speaker 1: great feel he's got this, great athleticism he's got this,
Speaker 1: great explosion and there are elements of, the twitch there's
Speaker 1: elements of kind of.
Speaker 2: The instincts but he's definitely a different tier.
Speaker 1: Of ATHLETE and i look, at again just look at
Speaker 1: the type of guys that they bring in to play.
Speaker 1: Safety here it's a very specific type. Of, guy right
Speaker 1: It's your. Robert McDaniels he's six, to two he's, two
Speaker 1: ten he's got thirty two. In charms that's not what this, is,
Speaker 1: Here right it's a Much, different so as MUCH as
Speaker 1: i like the energy that he, plays with there are
Speaker 1: some limitations to his game that are important.
Speaker 2: TO acknowledge. I think and does that mean he's not
Speaker 2: gonna make?
Speaker 1: The, Team no, because Again like i've seen dudes come
Speaker 1: in and they play with their hair, on fire and
Speaker 1: they figure it out and they make the roster and
Speaker 1: they become good pros for a, long.
Speaker 2: Time potential hall. Of.
Speaker 1: Famers CORRECT but i just look at HIM and i
Speaker 1: think there's a reason he went undrafted and there's a
Speaker 1: reason he's a. Tryout guy and, those reasons to me
Speaker 1: are his. Physical limitations and he doesn't do anything exceptionally
Speaker 1: well to make, you, say oh even though he's a little,
Speaker 1: bit small we're willing to overlook some of that because
Speaker 1: HE does x. Extremely well HE does, x okay HE does,
Speaker 1: y okay but it's nothing that's going to push him
Speaker 1: over the top in terms of like saying we have
Speaker 1: to have him here for training camp or whatever the
Speaker 1: way that they did with these, other guys the guys
Speaker 1: we just, talked about.
Speaker 2: And that's your.
Speaker 3: Prospect evaluation BUT what i want to say on, that
Speaker 3: is like, that prospect this is not who he could
Speaker 3: be or what like the reason he, is here. They
Speaker 3: wouldn't so they're not just bringing him in because of the.
Speaker 3: Name's tailor they're not right and just say that. That's
Speaker 3: nice they're not. Doing that he has a chance to
Speaker 3: make the, Team here he's going to have, the opportunity
Speaker 3: and that speaks to he does bring, something right like he,
Speaker 3: has something and there are guys that can come here
Speaker 3: that can work, real hard that can they can flash
Speaker 3: enough that they can make. The team so you're in.
Speaker 3: YOUR evaluate i just want to want to make. That
Speaker 3: clear we're not saying he's not going to make. The
Speaker 3: team we're not saying this Is, no look ap doesn't do.
Speaker 3: THAT here dq don't don't do the thing here where,
Speaker 3: it's ay what would you even?
Speaker 2: Call it like it chityse cherity case is. Not that
Speaker 2: that's not what.
Speaker 3: This, is, no, No RIGHT so i just want to
Speaker 3: be clear. With that that's that's not how this. Organization's
Speaker 3: run that's not what he's doing what we're. Doing here
Speaker 3: he is coming in to try and make the. Football
Speaker 3: team and just like everybody else that's, coming in he's
Speaker 3: got he's got.
Speaker 1: A SHOT and i want to, just CLARIFY like i
Speaker 1: like the energy he, plays with AND when i see
Speaker 1: a player that plays, WITH that i imagine them coming
Speaker 1: to a Camp and, i'm like they got, a shot,
Speaker 1: YOU know i mean that gives them. A shot so
Speaker 1: he comes out here and plays with his hair on
Speaker 1: fire and, you know gets. A turnover whatever he's, doing
Speaker 1: right there's there's. An opportunity i'm, just, SAYING like i
Speaker 1: don't think THAT the nfl forgot. About him don't THINK
Speaker 1: the nfl missed on him in terms, Of evaluation like
Speaker 1: he this is who he is as. A player he's
Speaker 1: got a long road, to go coming from a guy
Speaker 1: who had a long road, To, GO like i understand
Speaker 1: what this road. Looks Like so i'm rooting. FOR him
Speaker 1: i wanted to work out it'd be a, great STORY
Speaker 1: but I think i think he understands, this too and
Speaker 1: Talking with, red like, it's tough, you know it's it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be it's it's it's, a tough like look at
Speaker 1: just look at the depth, at safety look at the
Speaker 1: kind of body types they.
Speaker 2: Have here it's it's just a it's a tough room to.
Speaker 1: Get into and he had, other opportunities but he wanted to,
Speaker 1: be HERE and i KIND of i respect that.
Speaker 2: So well.
Speaker 3: It's possible and The reason i'm saying it's possible is
Speaker 3: because you. Did IT and i don't mean that as In,
Speaker 3: that no it's you've told me before that like you
Speaker 3: saw you talk to a scout or something and they do
Speaker 3: like Green or red, or whatever and you had like
Speaker 3: reds all the way down or something and so.
Speaker 1: So yeah so basically the story IS like i went
Speaker 1: to a guy and he, was like this is my
Speaker 1: algorithm for drafting a.
Speaker 2: Tight END and i was.
Speaker 1: Like cool and it's but all these guys have started
Speaker 1: at some point IN. The nfl these these are what
Speaker 1: their measurements. Look like so it's, you know here thirty three,
Speaker 1: in charms here's this, four six here's the, two fifty
Speaker 1: here's the, six five and it's those. Are green that
Speaker 1: means they meet the criteria for. The Position so i'm
Speaker 1: looking at, The list i'm. Going down oh there's a
Speaker 1: guy him.
Speaker 2: That's cool every single one of them.
Speaker 1: Is green so over the last twenty years of him,
Speaker 1: doing this there's only two guys that have started significant
Speaker 1: minutes IN the nfl that have.
Speaker 2: Been red one of them is. Your BOY.
Speaker 1: So, I, UNDERSTAND like, i, like yeah this is. Exactly
Speaker 1: right like if you if he comes in and, he
Speaker 1: grinds he gets what HE would, i say got to
Speaker 1: be a little bit of good and a little bit,
Speaker 1: of lucky and so that's that applies to him. As well, so,
Speaker 1: yeah dude ten years IN the Nfl and i've seen.
Speaker 2: CRAZIER stuff i hope.
Speaker 3: YOU go i wish you would like get asking for
Speaker 3: a copy of that with the red and you should.
Speaker 2: FRAME that i kind of. Want, To really i'm really
Speaker 2: Proud of that's a hell of.
Speaker 3: A story it's an underdog story and it's AGAIN why
Speaker 3: i love talking to you through the. Draft process just
Speaker 3: your perspective is just unique. And different ten years IN, the, Nfl,
Speaker 3: man yeah that's.
Speaker 1: No joke it's been a lot of fun doing this
Speaker 1: and it's crazy this is our. Last SHOW but i
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch, these guys, watch them, you know watch,
Speaker 1: the udfas watch the try out guys over the next couple,
Speaker 1: of days a couple, of weeks because this IS like
Speaker 1: i really feel for.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: Group man i'm pulling for every single one of. THESE
Speaker 1: guys i hope they all kind of can live OUT
Speaker 1: their nfl dream and play for, ten, years man because
Speaker 1: it's it's a blast AND the nfl is an. Awesome
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