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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday. There's

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Speaker 2: all kinds of news we could talk about, and we're

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Speaker 2: But look, you know what time it is. It's Monday.

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Speaker 2: It's the start of the second hour on Monday. So

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Speaker 2: it's Medal of Honor Monday time. And I warned you

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Speaker 2: double whammy, a two banger. I've been doing a bunch

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Speaker 2: of different reading. I've written like three different books right

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Speaker 2: just some backstory, a little expanded stuff on a couple

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Speaker 2: So buckle up and enjoy the ride. It's Medal of

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Speaker 2: for a while. Now I'm gonna set both of these

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Speaker 2: Here's kind of how it works in the Pacific War.

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Speaker 2: As you know this longtime listeners are people who've read

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Speaker 2: the Pacific War, the Pacific portion of World War two

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Speaker 2: US versus the Empire Japan early on, you know, December seventh,

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've had obviously some foreign engagements where we've had

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Speaker 2: I'm not acting like we don't have loss. But I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about another nation pushing us around America. For the

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Speaker 2: after airstrip after airstrip on our way to Japan. Where

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Speaker 2: Now we know that. Now let's talk about this again.

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Speaker 2: This is the Jesse Kelly Show, and I swear it's political,

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Speaker 2: That's brutal. But mostly the reason Pelulu is so incredibly

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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday. It's

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Speaker 2: already been a great Monday. We got all kinds of

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Speaker 2: two Pacific Battle. Of course, Pelolu is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: And I'm about to do our first Medal of Honor citation.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna explain. I'm gonna give you a little bit

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Speaker 2: I think that's how I'm gonna do these. That was

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Speaker 2: the background of Pelulu. Now it's time for our first one.

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Speaker 2: This is the Medal of Honor citation of a mister

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Speaker 2: Arthur Junior Jackson. And just know, honestly, the story after

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Speaker 1: Hey, honoring those who went above and beyond. It's Medal

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Speaker 1: Hey honoring those who went above and beyond its Medal

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Speaker 2: Subjected to point blank cannon fire which caused heavy casualties

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Speaker 2: Parker Pope and his first Marine Division allowed me to

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Speaker 2: explain the first Marine division going into Pelolu. Many people say,

427
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Speaker 2: and obviously I'm very partial to the Marines, so I

428
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: don't know whether or not this is true, but I

429
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: certainly noded my head and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely true.

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Speaker 2: Many people say this was the finest fighting division on

431
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: the planet at this time. We're talking Germans, Russian, Japanese, Americans.

432
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: You want one infantry division to go fight for you.

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00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: It would be the first marine division because of the

434
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Speaker 2: things they had done. Another reason Pelolu was so horrible

435
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: is the first marine division got destroyed the Marines, and look,

436
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: they have to own it, the Marines, the commanders, nimats

437
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: has to own it too. They took the finest division

438
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: on the planet and they completely decimated it because they

439
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: threw it against these defenses that could not be broken

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00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: in that way. Now with Pope and his men the

441
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: reason we kept citing how many men he had is

442
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: you have to understand this again, there's the ridge there.

443
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: You understand this about combat. Doesn't matter whether you're a

444
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: twelve year old listening to my show or ninety seven.

445
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: Everyone understands this about combat. You have to have the

446
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: high ground. You want the high ground. You want to

447
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: be able to shoot down, throw down. You don't want

448
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: to attack up ever, ever, you want to attack down.

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00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: That is a basic thing. Everyone knows that. You don't

450
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: need to exactly need to go to West Point to

451
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: know high ground, high ground, high ground. Well bloody knows.

452
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: Ridge was not only the place with all the Japanese

453
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Speaker 2: caves and tunnels and fortifications. It was the high ground

454
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: so no matter what, you had to take it, and

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00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: even getting up to the ridge, Pope and his men

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Speaker 2: Charlie Company, it doesn't I'm just gonna call him Charlie

457
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Speaker 2: Company because that's what it was called when I was

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Speaker 2: in the Marine Corps. Charlie Company. Pope is the commanding officer.

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Speaker 2: They are given orders. They have to get up and

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Speaker 2: establish a foothold on this hill. They're at the base

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00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: of it. They believe it's a hill, a hill top.

462
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: He needs the Marine Corps, the first Marine Division the America.

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Speaker 2: They need Pope and his men to get to the

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00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: top of this hill and hold this hill. Except there's

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00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: a problem. The Japanese understand that people are going to

466
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: be taking this hill and it's not a grassy hill.

467
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: It's a cliff. One you have to climb as if

468
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: it's a cliff. And believe me, I'm just starting on

469
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: the story of Pope and Charlie Company and heroes and

470
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: things people have gone through to protect this country because

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Speaker 2: I feel like and I don't want to talk about

472
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: politics right now. I'll get to that next hour. I

473
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: will continue that in just a moment. Before we continue that,

474
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Speaker 2: let's talk about this. Let's talk about our own ways

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Speaker 2: we are trying to save country are very very small

476
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Speaker 2: driving the show off the rails and doing an extended

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Speaker 2: middle of Pelulu. Everett Parker, Pope Company commander, Charlie Company.

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Speaker 2: He's trying. He's been told, he said, they're trying to

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Speaker 2: get up on top of this hill. And he's been told,

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00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: get your men up on top of the hill. And

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00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: so the men of Charlie Company begin to climb. They're climbing,

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00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: they're rock climbing up. The Japanese are not only on top,

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Speaker 2: they're also built into the sides of the hill. When

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Speaker 2: I say built in, meaning if there's enough room for

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Speaker 2: one of these guys to wedge himself onto the hill,

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Speaker 2: he will simply hide there with the box of grenades

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00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: and a gun and drop grenades on the Marines as

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00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: they're coming up. There's a famous story, in fact, there

510
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: are multiple stories like this, and this isn't the last

511
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: time you're going to hear this, of a marine tripping

512
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: on one on the way up. He didn't even know

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00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: he was there. He looks down and it's a Japanese soldier,

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00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: and I guess he was a bigger marine. We don't

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00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: know his name to this day. He reaches down and

516
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: snatches him up and just chucks him off the cliff,

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Speaker 2: and all the guys down below are cheering, Yeah, look

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Speaker 2: at a fly that This is the story of pelol Lou.

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, this is why I go crazy when

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: I hear about Hollywood not having any ideas. Hollywood, call me,

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00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Not any ideas? You can make

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00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: an entire movie about just this part of Pelolu. So

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00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: Pope's men are climbing and they're dying. I want you

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Speaker 2: to know, fast forward to the end of this. I

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00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: told you about the first Marine Division. I want you

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Speaker 2: to know by the time Peloa Lou's done, three fourths

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: of them gone casualties, the wipeout, and Pope's company is

528
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: being wiped out. By the time his men get to

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00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: the top, well you heard it's twelve minutes, thirteen, it's fourteen.

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Speaker 2: The numbers kind of go back and forth. But he

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Speaker 2: gets to the top of this quote hill he's supposed

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00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: to take. And the reason I use the words, the

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00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 2: reason I did the quote thing there is Hill and

534
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: his men discover once they get to the top of

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00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: the hill that they're actually not on a hill at all.

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00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: They're on the tip of the ridge, the ridge the

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: Japanese have complete control of. So after getting to the top,

538
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: his completely decimated unit is now facing the entirety of

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00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: the Japanese army built into Pelulu, and he's not allowed

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Speaker 2: to leave, and he can't dig in. Back to what

541
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: we were talking about, it's coral. You can't dig in it.

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00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: They can't, and they can't sit and blast out holes.

543
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't even have communication with headquarters anymore.

544
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: He's lost that now. I want you to imagine this

545
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: speaking of Hollywood, what I'm about to describe is real.

546
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: It happened Pope and his men and they got into

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00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: whatever depressions they could find. There weren't many of them,

548
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: as you heard. They couldn't they couldn't really dig in well,

549
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: but they got in where they could. And they understood

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00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: that the Japanese were going to counterattack to run them

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00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: off that hill. And they understood that the Japanese loved

552
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: to attack at night. They knew this well by now.

553
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: They would attack with bayonets, with Samurai swords. They're going

554
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: to come for you in the night, they are, and

555
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: they're going to sneak in and they're happy to die

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Speaker 2: doing it. And so Pope and his men lay out

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00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: on this hill, and they all believed they were about

558
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: to die, and they set all of their they were

559
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: clips because it was m one grand, but they set

560
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: out all their ammo, all their grenades, and they didn't

561
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: have many left. They collected rocks to throw, rocks to throw,

562
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: and they watched as the sun began to go down,

563
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: and they knew it was coming. And as they were

564
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: laying there, they were hearing enough in front of them

565
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: that they believed that they had some people getting ready

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Speaker 2: to get on top of them. They get some naval

567
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: flares overhead, Flares get launched overhead. Tell me, this isn't

568
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: out of the movies. And as soon as the flares

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Speaker 2: light up in front of them, they see a sea

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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: of Japanese bodies low crawling towards their position. And then

571
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: it's on all night long, hand to hand combat grenades.

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Speaker 2: By now you learned that you didn't shoot when you

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00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: heard someone in front of you, because that gives away

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Speaker 2: your position. You threw grenades, you threw rocks. Pope himself,

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Speaker 2: with a fellow marine, had a couple of Japanese guys

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Speaker 2: drop into whatever makeshift fighting hole he had. Hand to

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00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: hand combat ensued. They overcame them and one and this

578
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: took place the entire night. Once they defeated the two

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Speaker 2: Japanese troops who dropped into their hole, there wasn't room

580
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: for everyone up there. Again, they were on a cliff.

581
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: They just kept grabbing the dead Japanese and chucking them

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: off the end of the cliff after they killed him

583
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. An entire night hand

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Speaker 2: fighting with Japanese troops. That is, Pope, that is what

585
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: people have gone through for your country. In my country,

586
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: they barely survived, had no ammunition. They were well aware

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00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: by now of what Japanese, of what the Japanese troops

588
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: would do if they were taken alive. Pope had a

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00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: pistol on him as well as his rifle. Pope was

590
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: down to the last round in his pistol and said,

591
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: I could have fired it many times, but that last

592
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: one in the chamber was for me if they finally

593
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: got to me. They barely got off the top of

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00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: that ridge alive. And from there, I mean, the first

595
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Marine Division, for lack of a better way to put it,

596
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: was no more. They had to go essentially retire to

597
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: the rear and took so much time to rebuild them

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: into a fighting force. And we didn't even have to

599
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: be there. And Pellu is such a horrible, horrible place.

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00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: If you're not a reader, you don't want to do

601
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: an audio book or whatnot. And maybe you're just more

602
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: of a hey, I like to watch TV type person.

603
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've seen it. But you

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: know that HBO series Hell in the or no, not

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00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: Hell in the Pacific, the Pacific I about called not

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00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: Hell in the Pacific, It's just called the Pacific. It's

607
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: a quote fiction series with actors, but it is actually

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00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: made based off in large part, Eugene Sledge. Eb Sledge's book.

609
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: He wrote a book called With the Old Breed and

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00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: Pelllu was the first action he saw in Pelolu. So

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: if you walk the Pacific, it's an extremely realistic re

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00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: enactment of the various things Eugene Sledge and his men

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00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: went through on Pelulu. If you want to understand what

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00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: the environment was like, and the rocks and the hills

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00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: and the crags, and if you want to understand how

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00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: and why that place just absolutely shattered men at broke men.

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Speaker 2: You could watch The Pacific. I should note, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: little dad note here not for the kids, not for

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Speaker 2: little kids, for sure, the Pacific. It's been a while,

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00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: but I know. Look it's salty and raw, it's marines.

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Speaker 2: The language is bad, the violence is bad. There may

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00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: even be some little Kamala stuff in there. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but maybe. Probably not for the kids, but something worth watching.

624
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Speaker 2: All Right, we're going to talk about other things. There's

625
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: a headline out here about the Great Divorce. We'll get

626
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: to that, but first we're going to talk about controlling

627
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Speaker 2: the message communism. Why is NBC mad about Ronald McDaniel

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Speaker 2: an employment Next,