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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: As you know, we're talking here a lot today about

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Speaker 2: the situation with Israel and Hamas and specifically the errant

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Speaker 2: missile yesterday or rocket that exploded sent by Palestinian Islamic Jihad,

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Speaker 2: US and Israeli intelligence. The US government and Israeli government

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Speaker 2: in agreement that that is what happened, despite the initial reports.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of protests going on around the world.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who are venting their

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Speaker 2: rage at Israel regardless, and who are saying that Israel

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Speaker 2: is about to engage in genocide in Gaza. This is

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Speaker 2: turning into a war of words alongside the actual combat

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Speaker 2: that is going on. Benjamin Nenyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, yesterday,

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Speaker 2: did not hold back at all when he was describing

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Speaker 2: what it is that that they are dealing with and

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Speaker 2: the world is dealing with. When it comes to Hamas, play.

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Speaker 3: It Tramas are the new Nazis. Hamas is isis in

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Speaker 3: some instances worse than Isis. And just as the world

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Speaker 3: united to defeat the Nazis, just as the world united

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Speaker 3: to defeat isis The world has to stand united behind

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Speaker 3: Israel to defeat Haramas. This is not only our battle,

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Speaker 3: it is our common battle, the battle of civilization against barbarism.

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Speaker 3: And if it's not stopped here, the savagery will reach

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Speaker 3: you very soon and reach the entire world.

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Speaker 2: Play The first thing I shared on Twitter, My first

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Speaker 2: response to this perfect tact was this is a choice

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Speaker 2: between civilization and barbarism, and is Israel represents the side

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Speaker 2: of civilization regiment not and yahoo of using that same

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Speaker 2: I mean many people have used that same framework for this,

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Speaker 2: because I think it is that clear. I think it

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Speaker 2: is that cut and dry what's going on here when

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with Hamas. I know there are Palestinian civilians

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Speaker 2: who are not Hamas who are in harm's way. I

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Speaker 2: know the humanitarian situation in Gaza is bleak and getting

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Speaker 2: worse by the day. I also think it's entirely unreasonable

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Speaker 2: and unjust to expect that there should be a cease

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Speaker 2: fire now, or that Israel would not respond. Any country

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Speaker 2: anywhere in the world would respond to a neighbor engaging

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Speaker 2: in this kind of a terror attack, and they would

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Speaker 2: respond with well. I think if they could far more

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Speaker 2: indiscriminate force than what we will see from the State

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Speaker 2: of Israel. In many cases, a lot of countries would

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Speaker 2: just say we're eliminating the enemy.

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Speaker 1: And whatever we have to do, that's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 4: We had Benjamin Nett Yahoo on this show a few

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Speaker 4: months ago, right to talk about his book. Am I

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Speaker 4: crazy why it was longer than that?

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Speaker 1: It was one years ago?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, so first of all, when you get

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Speaker 4: to be on, I know we had him on the

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Speaker 4: show and had a conversation because he had his new

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Speaker 4: book out. Ali'll look up when we had him on,

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it was years ago, But I will

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Speaker 4: readily admit that as I'm getting older, I look back

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Speaker 4: and something seems like it happened like six months ago,

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Speaker 4: and it was five years ago, so that anybody who's

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Speaker 4: a parent knows that feeling.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that's happened.

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Speaker 4: But I know we had ant Yahu on the show,

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Speaker 4: and just listening to him now, Buck he's better communicating

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Speaker 4: in English than the President of the United States is well,

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Speaker 4: of course, but think about how wild that is that

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Speaker 4: he can speak a foreign language and make a more

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Speaker 4: eloquent defense of his country to American media and to

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Speaker 4: English speaking media around the world than the actual president

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Speaker 4: of the United States can and and I'm glad that

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Speaker 4: Biden is in Israel. I think it is the right

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Speaker 4: choice to make for an American president buck when I

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Speaker 4: watch him. I watched his address today and I don't

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Speaker 4: know how many of you listen to that addresses around

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Speaker 4: I think ten am Eastern time he finished. He's clearly

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Speaker 4: reading off a teleprompter. I think he read the right things.

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Speaker 4: I watched him walk off that stage. He looked like

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Speaker 4: a mummy, like a zombie would walk And I don't

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Speaker 4: know how many hours he slept. Obviously they've got him

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Speaker 4: on a plane and gotten him over there, but many

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Speaker 4: of the Middle Eastern leadership has decided they don't want

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Speaker 4: to meet with him because of the lies that were spread.

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Speaker 4: I think about this Israeli attack on a hospital that

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Speaker 4: didn't actually happen. What functional ability do you think he

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Speaker 4: has to actually make decisions on the ground and building

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Speaker 4: on that even more, who's actually making decisions right now?

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Speaker 1: Is it Blincoln?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think it's this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the Secretary of I think the intelligence

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Speaker 2: agency heads are very involved with their Israeli counterparts right now.

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Speaker 1: I think that the.

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Speaker 2: Obama three point zero apparatus that effectively runs the Biden

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Speaker 2: White House is very engaged in this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the.

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Speaker 2: Difference that Joe Biden himself is going to make in

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Speaker 2: this in the events that are unfolding right now, I

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Speaker 2: think is quite limited under any circumstances. And there's generally

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Speaker 2: a pretty bipartisan I mean, the truth is that US

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Speaker 2: policy toward Israel, there are some fluctuations, but it tends

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Speaker 2: in support. My part is in sense of this is

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Speaker 2: a strategic and critical ally. So Biden's effectively going through

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Speaker 2: the motions on this. I thought, Nikki Haley, this was interesting.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley spoke out about what Biden should and should

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Speaker 2: not be saying at this point.

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Speaker 1: This is a cut eleven play it.

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Speaker 6: I think that it's good that President Biden is going

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Speaker 6: to Israel, but he should not be going to tell

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Speaker 6: them to show restraint. He should not be going to

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Speaker 6: tell them to have a cease fire, and he should

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Speaker 6: be talking about how we need to come down harder

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Speaker 6: on Iran. I mean, make no mistake, there would be

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Speaker 6: no Hamas without Iran. There would be no HESBLO without Iran.

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Speaker 6: And so you can't not see the role that Iran

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Speaker 6: has played in all of this, and that really should

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Speaker 6: be a focal point for the United States and for

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Speaker 6: the Biden administration right now.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think it's unlikely, uh and this this is

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Speaker 2: one of the very big questions right now that Iran

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Speaker 2: will become a direct and active combatant in what's going

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Speaker 1: They're going to speak a lot about what they'll do.

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Speaker 2: They're going to saber rattle, They're going to make it

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Speaker 2: seem as though they'll I'll take immediate, you know, immediate

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Speaker 2: action in response to what Israel does in Gaza. But

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Speaker 2: that's the scenario that people, I think it very learn

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Speaker 2: about it if you did have an Iranian intervention on this

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Speaker 2: against Israel here on the side of Hamas and in

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Speaker 2: the form of not just Hezbollah, but you know, Iranian

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Speaker 2: I think they could do to ratchet things up. But

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Speaker 2: now you're talking about what happens to global energy supplies

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Speaker 2: and what happens to you know, could you be seeing

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Speaker 2: a global recession? I mean this, the domino effect here

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Speaker 2: would be very real. I do not believe right now,

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Speaker 2: based on what I'm seeing, Iran will do anything to

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Speaker 2: set that in motion. But Clay, we're dealing with people

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Speaker 2: that see things very differently from how it looks over

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Speaker 4: And this is why the media propagating lies is so dangerous,

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Speaker 4: not only for all of the American citizens in the

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Speaker 4: embassies that have been surrounded all over the Middle East,

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Speaker 4: but this is the goal I think of Hamas. They

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Speaker 4: don't want to be the sole target of Israel. They

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Speaker 4: want Hasbula to come in, they want Iron to come in.

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Speaker 4: They want to turn this into a religious war in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East, and they want all of the Muslim

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Speaker 4: faith to rise up against Israel. And so when our

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Speaker 4: media is spreading clear lies, they are facilitating potentially a

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Speaker 4: catastrophic conflict that could arise in the Middle East. So

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Speaker 4: you would think of all the times to make sure

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Speaker 4: that your reporting is accurate. We're not talking about a

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Speaker 4: relatively inconsequential issue. We're talking about buck the single most

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Speaker 4: let me, by the way, I also mentioned I'm not

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Speaker 4: as crazy as producer Ali thought. We had Benjamin Netanyahu

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Speaker 4: on this show on December twelfth of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: so ten months ago, but it wasn't that long ago,

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Speaker 4: and he was eloquent on this show then. And I

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Speaker 4: think as you look at everything that's going on right now,

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Speaker 4: my concern is Joe Biden in the Middle East cannot

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Speaker 4: advocate as well as an American president should be able

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Speaker 4: to advocate for the moral clarity of this situation. And

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Speaker 4: even scarier, I don't think he can respond in real

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Speaker 4: it's a coincidence that Hamas put out this fun Hamas

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Speaker 4: Sash Palestine put out this false news, this lie about

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Speaker 4: five hundred people dying because of an Israeli airstrike on

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Speaker 4: a hospital when it was actually a parking lot next door.

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Speaker 4: They put that out while Joe Biden was in the

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Speaker 4: Now you can say, well, what would that have actually accomplished.

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Speaker 4: At a minimum, it would have shown that the entire

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Speaker 4: to me that there is a clear strategic imperative of

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Speaker 4: And I'm afraid that our media on the left which

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Speaker 4: an important moment of moral clarity that much of the

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Speaker 2: People who believed that story and shared it very broadly yesterday,

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Speaker 2: believe that it was Israel's fault. Wanted to be correct

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Speaker 2: that it was Israel's fault. That's really what you saw,

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Speaker 2: and that's why somehow it all aligned people that think

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Speaker 2: which I think should be obvious and quite clear, or

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Speaker 2: We need to see what the facts are. People that

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Speaker 2: despise the state of Israel, and a lot of this

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Speaker 2: is driven by anti Semitism. They saw an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: Hamas's bad actions. This always must be remembered. The people

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Speaker 2: Hamas is depluying suicide bombers, it's Israel's fault. If Amas

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Speaker 2: Everything is Israel's fault in their minds. It's really like

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Speaker 4: And by the way, we'll open up phone lines eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and two two two eight a two giving you

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Speaker 4: Ted kru is going to be in studio with his

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Speaker 4: one point thirty via phone, to discuss these issues of

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Speaker 2: Nick in North Carolina, you want to talk about the

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Speaker 9: Thank Clay, Hey, Buck First of all, thank you for

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Speaker 10: We need this, all of you.

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Speaker 9: Let's get our country back on track. You got work

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Speaker 4: I agree, Look, Bucket, Both both buck and me believe

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Speaker 4: As a congressman, I would have absolutely no doubt at all.

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Speaker 2: We sat here and we said there will eventually be

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Speaker 2: As I've said, the biggest thing that needs to happen

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Speaker 2: Ike in Texas? No, we haven't done my Mike in Texas.

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Speaker 10: this the mental status of the member.

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Speaker 8: He's not just the.

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Speaker 10: President, he's commander in chief. Yep, you guys said in

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Speaker 10: the last guy said in the last segment, He's not

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Speaker 10: the one calling those shots. Right now, it's blinking and

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Speaker 10: that's my best guest.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the scary thing is, we don't really

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Speaker 4: know who was calling shots in the White House.

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe it's Joe Biden.

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Speaker 10: My my congressman is Jackson, who was the former UH

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Speaker 10: physician for the presidents.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 10: And I told his office that said, I believe the president.

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Speaker 10: I mean, we're on the verge of World War three

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Speaker 10: and we're you know, we're talking about little piddy stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 10: this is this is I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 1: You're talking, thank you, thank you for the call. Look

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Speaker 1: you remember you're talking.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about like the battle in over Who the

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Speaker 4: House speaker is is relatively inconsequential when Joe Biden has

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Speaker 4: us on the precipice of World War three.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it fascinating how much talk there was under the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration about the twenty fifth Amendment. I mean there

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Speaker 2: were whole news all the time. There were whole news

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Speaker 2: cycles just devoted to you. Oh, someone in Trump's inner

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Speaker 2: circle is saying they're going to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment,

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Speaker 2: which would remove the president from office because of incapacity

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Speaker 2: to do the job. That was absurd. Under Trump, he

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Speaker 2: was clear they could hate him, which they did, they

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Speaker 2: could not like his decision making, but there was no

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Speaker 2: basis for a twenty fifth Amendment invocation under Trump. I

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Speaker 2: think you're starting to see that there should at least

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Speaker 2: be discussions about that.

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Speaker 1: With Biden. There should have been for a long time.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be right. It doesn't, But it doesn't. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't even get talked about. No, you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 4: Let's get this last Let's get this last call in,

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Speaker 4: and we'll go to Break Todd in Hendersonville, Tennessee, just

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Speaker 4: north of Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Todd, what you got for.

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Speaker 8: Us, hey, Clay and Buck, Thank for what y'all do

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Speaker 8: being patriots for this country.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 8: My. My problem is I want Jim Jordan because I

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Speaker 8: know what he's about, and he's, you know, a force

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Speaker 8: to be reckoned with in my opinion. But I'm afraid

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Speaker 8: that these twenty are so sell out. Republicans may go

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Speaker 8: with Hakeem Jeffries. What do you guys think this is?

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Speaker 2: But unwilling to consider this, I say no, Clay thinks

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Speaker 2: that this could actually happen. But I mean the Republicans

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Speaker 2: might as well just all quit like they might as

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Speaker 2: well just all give up if they hand over the

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Speaker 2: speakership to a Democrat or some kind of a joint

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Speaker 2: share agreement. Here's here's my concern, Buck, don't underestimate politicians'

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Speaker 2: ability to screw up things, particularly based on what I

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Speaker 2: have seen when they are Republicans, like there are so

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Speaker 2: many internally.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I think that principle is usually true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think in this case, Clay, I mean, good lord man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: Buck, let me just toss this awful idea out when

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Speaker 4: they were going to go to break it may not

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Speaker 4: be Hakeem Jeffries as a Democrat speaker.

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Speaker 1: But would these twenty join with.

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Speaker 4: Democrats to put a moderate aka very borderline Republican as.

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Speaker 2: I think they would all be losing their jobs and

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Speaker 2: losing their political careers if they did so.

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Speaker 4: But the longer this goes on, the more I worry

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Speaker 4: about a really stupid result.

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Speaker 1: It should be Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Hillsdale College, one college I can think of offhand, requires

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Speaker 4: every undergrad to take at least one full term course

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Speaker 4: learning about our constitution that's consistent with what Hillsdale College

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Speaker 4: stands for. They've been explaining and defending our nation's freedom

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Speaker 4: since the college was founded in the mid eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 4: One way they do that's by reminding us of what

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Speaker 4: the Constitution said. To that end, it starts with you

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Speaker 4: having an easy to read copy of the actual document.

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Speaker 1: Simple as that.

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Speaker 4: Their goal is to give a million Americans who don't

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Speaker 4: have a copy of the founding document their very own.

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Speaker 4: Hillsdale pays for the postage. It's yours for the asking.

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Speaker 4: Order your free copy right now at Clayanbuck for Hillsdale

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Speaker 4: dot com. Every American should have a copy of the

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Speaker 4: Constitution and our Declaration of Independence. In these days when

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Speaker 4: most schools neglect to teach our kids about our nation's

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Speaker 4: great heritage of liberty, it's more critical than ever to

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Speaker 4: make these documents readily available to them. To claim your

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Speaker 4: free copy, go to Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com right now,

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Speaker 4: complete a simple form and get that booklet through the mail.

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Speaker 4: That's Clay and Buck for Hillsdale dot com.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis at buck Sexton Making Sense in an Insane World.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Joined now

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Speaker 4: by Chris Christy. He is former governor of New Jersey

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Speaker 4: running for the office of President of the United States.

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Speaker 4: The primary is ongoing next month will be the third

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Speaker 4: Republican primary. It seems like every time you're on with us,

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Speaker 4: there's major breaking news, Governor, So I appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 4: You obviously went through I think you prosecuted a lot

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Speaker 4: of the nine to eleven terrorists. If I remember you

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Speaker 4: were involved in that process. When you saw in New

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Speaker 4: York City and certainly Dearborn, Michigan, all over the country, Sydney, London,

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Speaker 4: all around the world Paris people rallying in support of

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Speaker 4: Hamas and Palestine in the wake of the brutal murder

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Speaker 4: in the terror attack of over fourteen hundred Jewish people.

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Speaker 4: Were you stunned or did you think that there was

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Speaker 4: a sickness on the left in this country and it

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Speaker 4: might well reveal itself in response to this terror attack

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Speaker 4: the Ladder.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a sickness in this country that also

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Speaker 5: is manifesting itself in some real anti Semitism out there,

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Speaker 5: and so, you know, I think the combination of the

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Speaker 5: two is really really disturbing for us as a country,

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Speaker 5: because what we need to be showing here is that

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Speaker 5: we stand up for the principles that this country was

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Speaker 5: founded on, which is freedom and liberty and freedom of expression,

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Speaker 5: but freedom of religion too, and these things are all

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Speaker 5: being completely trampled on by folks. And we see this

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Speaker 5: in our universities too. I mean, it has absolutely sickened

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Speaker 5: to me what I've seen from some of the most

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Speaker 5: prosperous universities in this country, and the lack of leadership

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Speaker 5: that's being shown in those places as well is really disgraceful.

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Speaker 2: Govinor Christy, thanks for being here with us. What do

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Speaker 2: you think about how the Biden administration has responded thus far?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Biden's speech on Israel was pretty good, But

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Speaker 2: in terms of the posturing, the decision making, the visits,

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Speaker 2: what do you think has done has gone the way

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Speaker 2: he should hear? And what would you think that the

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Speaker 2: Biden White House should do differently at this point given

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Speaker 2: them very high stakes.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, first off, you know, his lack of

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Speaker 5: leadership around the world has led to these problems. You know,

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Speaker 5: all these things are connected, and you're talking about Ukraine

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Speaker 5: and Israel, the activism of China all around the world,

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Speaker 5: Iran sponsoring terrorism all across the world, and the Biden

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Speaker 5: administration at least at some point giving them six billion

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Speaker 5: dollars to go ahead and next sport more. Those are

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Speaker 5: his failures now since the attack. I give him credit

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Speaker 5: for the things that he said. I think he has

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Speaker 5: said the right things, and and I think he said

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Speaker 5: them as well as he can say them. You know, look,

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Speaker 5: he's not an orator of any of any order anymore,

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Speaker 5: and he's not going to inspire people. But he has

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Speaker 5: said the things that were needed to be said, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's been an important part. And I give

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Speaker 5: him credit for going over to Israel. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: think showing physical solidarity with Israel right now we need to.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know it's been reported often already, but

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Speaker 5: you know, the loss of life over there is significant.

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Speaker 5: And I think we all who went through nine to eleven,

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Speaker 5: which you referenced before. I remember when Tony Blair came

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Speaker 5: to sit in the in the gallery when President Bush

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Speaker 5: gave his speech after nine to eleven, and the physical

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Speaker 5: presence of our closest European Allies leader, I think was

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Speaker 5: really important to make America feel like we had folks

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Speaker 5: who understood our pain, understood our loss, and we're standing

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Speaker 5: with us, and so I give President Biden credit for

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Speaker 5: physically going over there and standing with the Israelis on

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Speaker 5: that one.

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Speaker 1: Should Jim Jordan be the next Speaker of the House

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Speaker 1: in your mind.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to be. You know, the

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Speaker 5: latest vote that just came through shows him losing support.

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Speaker 5: And this is the awful circumstance which was created by

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Speaker 5: those eight folks who voted to get rid of Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: In my view, I don't think Kevin did anything which

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Speaker 5: merited him being removed from the chair. We're always going

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Speaker 5: to disagree with certain things that any speaker does, but

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Speaker 5: I don't think it merrited Kevin being removed. And I

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Speaker 5: think what they're now seeing is just how hard it

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Speaker 5: have had Steve Scalice who's been elected to a number

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Speaker 5: of different leadership positions before, but can't get to become Speaker.

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Speaker 5: And I think with Jim Jordan now losing two votes

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Speaker 5: passed when he had lost the first time, I think

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Speaker 5: it's time for him to move on and for them

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Speaker 5: to try to find some type of compromised person in it.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's unfortunate that we've been going two

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Speaker 5: weeks without this. We have a lot of business to

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Speaker 5: do that we need to get to and they need

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Speaker 5: to find someone who they're willing to support to let

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Speaker 1: Got it? Christy?

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the fundraising numbers that were

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Speaker 2: just shared seventy plus million dollars over three months on

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's re election campaign, behalf by the DNC. They're

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Speaker 2: bringing in big numbers. It seems like we're running out

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Speaker 2: of time for any last minute change to happen.

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Speaker 1: How do you see that playing out?

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Speaker 5: Look, I've always thought, and I think I've said this

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Speaker 5: to you guys before those on the show. I think

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's going to be the nominee. And I think

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Speaker 5: he's going to be the nominee because he wants to

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Speaker 5: do it, and I think his family wants him to

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Speaker 5: do it. And that's the end of the conversation. Most

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Speaker 5: of the time with most candidates, if you want to

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Speaker 5: run for president of the United States, and you want

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Speaker 5: to do it and your family wants you to do it,

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Speaker 5: very few other people have influence on that decision. It's

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Speaker 5: a very personal one. So I've always thought that Biden

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Speaker 5: was going to be the nominee. And as to the

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Speaker 5: seventy million bucks, it's good to be the incumbent because

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Speaker 5: you know you're the incumbent, you can raise a ton

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Speaker 5: of dough. And that's exactly what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Donald Trump, if he's the nominee, do

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Speaker 4: you think he would beat Joe Biden in a rematch

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Speaker 4: or do you think he would lose.

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Speaker 5: I think he'd lose. I think he's lose because I

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Speaker 5: think because I think that the circumstance of Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: has only worsened since he lost Joe Biden in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: with the constituencies that he needs to win back to

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Speaker 5: win back the presidency, and I focus particularly on suburban voters,

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Speaker 5: and even more specifically on suburban women. And when you

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Speaker 5: look at and I've looked at a lot of polling,

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Speaker 5: as you might imagine being a candidate in his race,

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Speaker 5: when you look at the polling, he does so badly

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Speaker 5: with suburban women. He did very badly in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: much worse than he did in twenty sixteen. And he's

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Speaker 5: even worse off with suburban women now. I don't think

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Speaker 5: there is there is a plausible way that Donald Trump,

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Speaker 5: if he's the nominee, wins the presidency again because he

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Speaker 5: can't win that constituency back. And in places like suburban Phoenix,

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Speaker 5: suburban Philadelphia, suburban Pittsburgh, suburban Detroit, suburban Milwaukee, suburban Atlanta,

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Speaker 5: those six states with that suburban population, he lost those

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Speaker 5: states in large measure because he lost those votes, and

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Speaker 5: he's worse off now with those folks than he was

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Speaker 5: four years ago.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you're right on that thesis, how many people

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Speaker 4: running right now do you think would beat Biden. Let's

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Speaker 4: presume that Biden is the nominee. I presume you think

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Speaker 4: you would be Biden because you're running. Who else do

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Speaker 4: you think would beat Biden? And at what point if

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Speaker 4: you have that casis, does it make sense to coalesce

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Speaker 4: for everybody running hey as an anti Trump option, as

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Speaker 4: opposed to there being seven to eight of you, At

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Speaker 4: what point should it be a one v one in

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Speaker 4: your mind?

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Speaker 5: Look, I think that's always the political scientists and the

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Speaker 5: donor's argument of how this gets done. They would like

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Speaker 5: that done early. I think if you have enough belief

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Speaker 5: in yourself to actually run for presidents it's very difficult

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Speaker 5: to leave before anybody votes unless you run out of money. Now.

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Speaker 5: I think that there will be some candidates who will

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Speaker 5: run out of money between now and when we vote

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Speaker 5: in January. And I think there's a number of candidates

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Speaker 5: who are currently in the race. We know as Hutchinson

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Speaker 5: didn't make the debate stage the last time, a number

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Speaker 5: of others who had declared never made it. I think

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Speaker 5: we're going to lose a few off the debate stage

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Speaker 5: again before we get to the debate in Miami on

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Speaker 5: November eighth. I think if you don't make the debate stage,

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Speaker 5: it's very difficult to continue to sustain a campaign. So

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Speaker 5: I think we could be down to four or five

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Speaker 5: candidates by the time we get to Iowa, and I

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Speaker 5: think Iowa New Hampshire will probably do the job of

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Speaker 5: winnowing this stand, if not to a one on one race,

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Speaker 5: to a three person race, and South Carolina may be

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Speaker 5: the one that takes it to a one on one race.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about, drawing on your time

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Speaker 2: as as a federal prosecutor, the gag order against Trump

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Speaker 2: in this DC trial, What do you think ends up

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Speaker 2: happening here with Judge Nachuckkin putting in place restrictions by

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Speaker 2: court order on him being able to criticize the Special Council, etc.

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Speaker 1: How do you see that going and is she going

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Speaker 1: to enforce it?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think that what she's trying to do,

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Speaker 5: I give him my experience, is she's trying to send

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Speaker 5: a very clear message to the defendant and to defense

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Speaker 5: Council that just because he's running for president of the

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Speaker 5: United States doesn't mean he's going to be able to

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Speaker 5: act significantly differently than any other criminal defendant. The fact

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Speaker 5: of the matter is this wouldn't be tolerated at all

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Speaker 5: from any other crit We'll defend it. And so I

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Speaker 5: think she's trying to send a message with the order

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Speaker 5: that she hopes he follows, that will will come. It

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Speaker 5: will come as a great surprise to her that he's

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Speaker 5: not going to care. That's who Donald Trump is. He's

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Speaker 5: not going to care. He's going to continue to escape

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Speaker 5: right at the edge off, not go over it, and

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Speaker 5: then she's going to have a very tough decision to make.

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Speaker 5: My guess is that with a normal criminal defendant, you

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Speaker 5: might actually revoke their bail and put them in jail.

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Speaker 5: I don't think she's doing that with Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 5: I do think that she might if he does something

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Speaker 5: pretty egregious imposed monetary fines that he'd have to pay immediately,

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Speaker 5: as a way of sending a message. So my guess

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Speaker 5: is that that's where she goes. He's being dramatic. I'll

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Speaker 5: go to jail if I have to exercise my constitution rights.

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Speaker 5: Let me just say this, Fellows, I've known Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: for twenty two years. He ain't going to jail for anybody.

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Speaker 5: He's scared to death to going to jail. And by

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Speaker 5: the way, it's a pretty logical thing. If you're seventy

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Speaker 5: seven years old, you shouldn't want to be in federal prison.

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Speaker 5: It's not a good place to be for anybody, but

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Speaker 5: certainly not for someone of his age. And you know,

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Speaker 5: as far as the constitutional stuff is concerned, you lose

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Speaker 5: some of that when you're indicted by a grand jury

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Speaker 5: four times. And the fact is there are rules that

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Speaker 5: apply to this, and he can't be attacking witnesses, attacking jurors,

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Speaker 5: potentially attacking court personnel or the prosecutors. But she did

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Speaker 5: say very clearly he could continue to say that he

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Speaker 5: thought that the indictments are politically motivated, So I think

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Speaker 5: she crafted something that in the main deals with one

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Speaker 5: of the most unusual circumstances, if not the most unusual

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Speaker 5: criminal prosecution we've had in the history of our country.

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Speaker 5: But in the end, I think I think he's being dramatic.

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Speaker 5: They won't put him in jail, and I don't think

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Speaker 5: he would willingly go, despite his bs that he's saying

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Speaker 5: out there right now. I think in the end, if

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Speaker 5: he does violate these things, more likely than not it

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Speaker 5: would wind up being financial penalties and not jail.

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Speaker 4: Final question for you, More likely Cowboys win the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl or Donald Trump wins the presidency in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good one. I'd say more likely the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think the Cowboys it really hurt when we

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Speaker 5: lost Treyvon Diggs, you know, out of the secondary, and

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be turned out to be if we don't

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Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl, the biggest loss of the year.

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Speaker 5: But I think if you're putting those twoup against each other,

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Speaker 5: more likely the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Governor, I'm taking Trump more likely to win in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, the Cowboys to win.

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Speaker 5: The super Why don't we all have a bat on

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Speaker 5: that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good dinner, bad that one? All right,

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Speaker 2: The third hour play and Book kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us, everybody, if you want to

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Speaker 2: let up the lines here eight hundred two eight to

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Speaker 2: eight eight two, we are coming to you live today, Glenn.

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Speaker 2: I are here in Washington, DC, our nation's capital, place

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Speaker 2: that we have both in the past called home.

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Speaker 1: So we are former swamp.

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Speaker 2: Dwellers coming back to see how things are here. And

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Speaker 2: we've also got our friend, Senator Ted Cruz will.

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Speaker 1: Be joining us in just a few minutes. We believe.

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Speaker 2: I think he's running down from Capitol Hill as we speak, Clay,

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Speaker 2: the latest here is that Jim Jordan's speakership campaign is faltering.

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Speaker 2: I had thought that this would be something like the

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy campaign earlier this year, which took some time

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Speaker 2: to get going, but eventually, after what fourteen votes, he

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Speaker 2: had the votes and he got it done. There was

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Speaker 2: some horse trading, some negotiating, and that was enough. Now,

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy didn't last very long in that role, which

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Speaker 2: has brought us to our current moment. But the list

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Speaker 2: of defectors is getting bigger so far, and people are

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Speaker 2: starting to say now is looking less and less likely

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Speaker 2: that Jim Jordan will in fact be the Speaker of House.

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Speaker 2: So with that in mind, we turned to the what

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Speaker 2: exactly is the plan here? What exactly is the strategy?

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to think if there was one, we would

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Speaker 2: know what it is, not just because we could come

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Speaker 2: up with it, but because the people that have pushed

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Speaker 2: this to this point would be telling everybody. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remember when there was the fight over Speaker McCarthy

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Speaker 2: the first time around. There were I mean, we had

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Speaker 2: Anna Pauline, a Congresswoman, Anna Pauline A Luna for example,

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Speaker 2: on the show, and we talked to people who had

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Speaker 2: some procedural changes they wanted and some concessions to be made,

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Speaker 2: and when those were made, whether you agree with them

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Speaker 2: or not, when those are made, okay, we'll go with

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Speaker 2: Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: And there you have it. Now.

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Speaker 2: There were those who were upset with McCarthy's tenure, obviously

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Speaker 2: because he got pushed out. But now we're at this

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Speaker 2: point where you have to wonder, has this just turned

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Speaker 2: into a situation where it's like a rogue elephant, like

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Speaker 2: no one really is a little bit of GOP reference there. Yes,

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Speaker 2: no one really knows what's going on. I mean, here

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Speaker 2: is Jim Jordan. He was asked about a resolution to

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Speaker 2: empower Representative McK henry to be permanent acting speaker. This

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Speaker 2: has cut sixteen play this one to.

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Speaker 7: Introduce a resolution to empower Nick Henry to be the

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Speaker 7: speaker ProTem on a permanent basis.

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Speaker 1: Would you support that?

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's the right way to go. I

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Speaker 11: think we should get a Republican speaker. I got ninety

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Speaker 11: percent of the Republicans in the compete.

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Speaker 1: To supported me. That help buy you more time.

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Speaker 11: No, I mean I think we should get a Republican speaker.

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Speaker 11: I've been very clear about that. I think that's where

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Speaker 11: the conference is. That's what our rules suggest. So let's

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Speaker 11: get a Republican speaker and get about the people's business.

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Speaker 2: Can I just clay if he's not right what is

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Speaker 2: going on here? You know, like if what Jim Jordan

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Speaker 2: is saying is incorrect that we shouldn't just get a

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Speaker 2: republican speaker, we shouldn't try some I don't hear much

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Speaker 2: of a counter response that. I mean, Newt Gingrich is

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Speaker 2: out there, you know, pulling out the verbal of flamethrower

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Speaker 2: on this when he's saying that the people who did

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Speaker 2: this have no idea what they had done up to

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Speaker 2: this point. They have no idea what they have unleashed.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And here we have Senator Ted Cruz joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: Senator Cruz, good to see you. You're coming in right

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Speaker 2: in the middle of our conversation here about what the

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Speaker 2: heck is going on up on Capitol Hill with this.

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Speaker 2: I know it's you know, it's next door to you,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. It's not necessarily you will end up

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Speaker 2: with a speaker. I think we're likely to have a

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Speaker 2: speaker by the end of the week. But they got

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Speaker 2: to get con census.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 12: I got to say, I've been in the Senate eleven years.

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Speaker 12: I've always stayed out of leadership fights in the House

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Speaker 12: because we got enough fights in the Senate. The last

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Speaker 12: thing I need to do is get in the middle

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Speaker 12: of a fight in the House. I made an exception

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Speaker 12: this time, which is that I've publicly endorsed Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 12: And the reason is Jim is a good friend. He

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Speaker 12: called and asked me to state my views. I've worked

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Speaker 12: with Jim closely, and my general philosophy on endorsements is

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Speaker 12: to support the strongest conservative who can win, and so

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Speaker 12: I'm interested in both pieces that you have a real

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Speaker 12: record as a conservative that you've delivered, but also that

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Speaker 12: you have a path to victory, and I think Jim

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Speaker 12: fits that bill. Now, to get elected Speaker, you need

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Speaker 12: two hundred and eighteen votes, and at this point nobody's

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Speaker 12: been able to do it. A lot of it is structural.

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Speaker 12: The Republicans have a four vote majority. That means if

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Speaker 12: any five Republicans right off into the hills on whatever

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Speaker 12: issue they're upset about, they can defeat the vote. And

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Speaker 12: so but at this point, I don't know if Jordan

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Speaker 12: is going to get there or not. It's going to

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Speaker 12: be whoever can get two hundred and eighteen votes. I

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Speaker 12: still think Jim is the strongest choice, and that's why

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Speaker 12: I hope they elect. But they're either going to do

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Speaker 12: that or they're going to go a third way and

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Speaker 12: pick someone else that's a consensus candidate.

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Speaker 1: If they do that, I don't know who that'll be.

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Speaker 4: Both of us, Buck and myself have both said we

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Speaker 4: want Jim Jordan as well. And so a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are following this and the chaos, I would say,

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Speaker 4: or the uncertainty that is surrounding that. But let's go

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Speaker 4: to what's going on in Israel right now, and I

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Speaker 4: know there's all sorts of responses that are going on.

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Speaker 4: I want to start with this, were you surprised? Buck

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Speaker 4: and I have talked about this a lot on the show,

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Speaker 4: We maybe even talked about it with you. There's been

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Speaker 4: this question of how Americans would respond if a modern

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Speaker 4: day nine to eleven happened. Yeah, and nine to eleven,

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Speaker 4: for everybody out there listening, is the time that America

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Speaker 4: is probably the most aligned in all of the twenty

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Speaker 4: first century. No matter what your political background was, the

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Speaker 4: number of people in New York City, Dearborn, Michigan, and

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Speaker 4: then around the world Sydney, also certainly Paris and London

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Speaker 4: who have shown up and said we're supporting.

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Speaker 1: A moss Yeah, and we are supporting.

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Speaker 4: Ability to wage war effectively on Israel and wage terror

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Speaker 4: on Israel. Did that surprise you? And what does it

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Speaker 4: say about the left wing in this country that there

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Speaker 4: is a certain sickness that is opposed anti Semitism, Nazism,

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Speaker 4: even that is opposed to the very existence of Israeli people,

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Speaker 4: look Clay.

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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, we have seen in really the last five or

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Speaker 12: six years a rise of radical anti Israel, anti Semitic

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Speaker 12: sentiments on the far left of the Democrat Party. It's

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Speaker 12: prominently represented by the squad in the House. And you've

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Speaker 12: got AOC, You've got Rashida Talib. You know, many of

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Speaker 12: us have seen the video of Taleb walking down the

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Speaker 12: hallway in the house where reporter is asking her, what

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Speaker 12: are you think about children being murdered, about women being

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Speaker 12: raped by Hamas terrorists, about children being burned alive? And

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Speaker 12: she refuses to answer. And and we're seeing regularly from

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Speaker 12: the squad in Congress, anti Semitic, anti Israel tropes, attacks

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Speaker 12: on Israel. We're seeing on university campuses, extreme anti Semitic sentiments.

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Speaker 12: My alma mater, Harvard, thirty five student groups put out

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Speaker 12: a disgraceful statement saying all of the violence in Israel

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Speaker 12: is one hundred percent Israel's fault. Apparently it's Israel's fault

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Speaker 12: that Hamas terrorists are murdering civilians and beheading babies and

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Speaker 12: raping women and young girls. I mean, it's it's it's insane,

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Speaker 12: and our university has become breeding grounds for these extremist views.

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Speaker 12: As you guys know, I do a podcast every week,

943
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Speaker 12: Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do it Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

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Speaker 12: A day's episode of Verdict, we do a deep dive

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Speaker 12: on how Black Lives Matter embraces Hamas, and this is

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Speaker 12: part of how the left has gotten radicalized. Black Lives

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Speaker 12: Matter is an explicitly Marxist organization. Its founders were openly

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Speaker 12: Marxist uh And, and one of the founders of Black

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Speaker 12: Lives Matter has explicitly argued that that she wants Israel.

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Speaker 1: To cease to exist. They hate Israel.

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Speaker 12: Black Lives Matter Chicago as you know, sent out a

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Speaker 12: tweet with a picture of a terrorist on a paraglider,

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Speaker 12: referencing the glider that came in and murdered nearly three

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Speaker 12: hundred teenagers that were at a rave and saying I

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Speaker 12: stand with Palestine. And and the point that we make

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Speaker 12: on the podcast we do a deep dive into the

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Speaker 12: history of Black Lives Matter and not the phrase. Look,

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Speaker 12: the phrase black lives matters are true as em everyone agrees,

959
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Speaker 12: of course black lives matter, but the organization Black Lives Matter, Inc.

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Speaker 12: Is a Marxist organization that hates Israel, that is rabidly

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Speaker 12: anti Semitic, that supports a moss And the question we

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Speaker 12: asked on today's podcast is all of corporate America, all

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Speaker 12: the Fortune five hundred companies that wrote millions of dollars

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Speaker 12: to Black Lives Matter, Amazon and Apple and Bank of

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Speaker 12: America and black Rock and Coca Cola, not to mention

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Speaker 12: the NBA that emblazoned Black Lives Matter on every floor

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Speaker 12: for a year. Do they support the rabbit anti semitism

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Speaker 12: of the Marxist organization? They support it. I think that's

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Speaker 12: intimately tied up both Black Lives Matter and Democratic Socialists

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Speaker 12: of America, which AOC and to leave and the rest

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Speaker 12: of them associate with are brazen in their anti Semitism,

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Speaker 12: and we're seeing it reflected across the country.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think it is, Senator that, given this

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Speaker 2: obvious reality of a shockingly large contingent of Democrats that

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Speaker 2: take very anti Israel and I think it's clear to

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Speaker 2: you could argue at least very anti Semitic views, that

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Speaker 2: Democrat leadership doesn't feel compelled to speak out or to

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Speaker 2: call this out right. I mean Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer, etc. You go down the biggest names the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party. They don't try to tell the squad to

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Speaker 2: get in line on this issue. They don't decry what's

982
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Speaker 2: going on on campus. Is it seems like there's a

983
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Speaker 2: disconnect there. Well, I think they're scared of them. I

984
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Speaker 2: think today's Democrat Party, it is the radical left that's

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Speaker 2: setting the agenda. The bizarre thing is in this Democrat

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Speaker 2: Senate in the House, the people setting the agenda for

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, or Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and

988
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Speaker 2: AOC and the squad and the rest of the Democrats

989
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Speaker 2: are terrified. They're more scared of being primary from the

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Speaker 2: left than they are of losing a general election. And

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Speaker 2: I think this is intimately connected to the fact that

992
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Speaker 2: the corporate media has broken so they can embrace the

993
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Speaker 2: most radical position and CNN won't cover it, MSNBC won't

994
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Speaker 2: cover it doesn't exist. And so, for example, you remember

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Speaker 2: a few years.

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Speaker 12: Ago where several members of the Squad made a series

997
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Speaker 12: of anti Semitic comments. One of them, talking about Israel, said,

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Speaker 12: it's all about the vengeamins, that Israel is all about

999
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Speaker 12: money and money grubbing Jews was what they were saying,

1000
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Speaker 12: a common anti Semitic trip bill Yes, And Nancy Pelosi

1001
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Speaker 12: was speaker at the time, and she said, okay, we're

1002
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Speaker 12: going to pass the resolution in the House condemning anti Semitism.

1003
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Speaker 12: And she thought, okay, we can get everyone together, and

1004
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Speaker 12: she discovered she couldn't get the Democrats, that the Democrat

1005
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Speaker 12: Conference was too terrified of the Squad to vote for

1006
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Speaker 12: a resolution condemning anti Semitism. So what happened instead is

1007
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Speaker 12: they wrote an utterly bland resolution condemning hatred of all kinds,

1008
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Speaker 12: any kinds of bigotry, whatsoever, doesn't matter what it is,

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Speaker 12: just we're against hate was their statement. Now I saw that,

1010
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Speaker 12: and that was disappointing to see, and I hoped at

1011
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Speaker 12: the time. I said, well, maybe the Senate can do better.

1012
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Speaker 12: And so I approached Tim Kane, Democrat from Virginia obviously

1013
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Speaker 12: ran with Hillary Clinton as her vice presidential nominee, and

1014
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Speaker 12: I said, Tim, do you think the Senate could do

1015
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Speaker 12: with the House could not? And Tim and I together

1016
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Speaker 12: drafted a resolution it was Cruz Kane that was a

1017
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Speaker 12: clear and unequivocal condemnation of anti Semitism. It condemned BDS boycott, divestiture,

1018
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Speaker 12: and sanctioning as an explicit manifestation of anti Semitism, and

1019
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Speaker 12: it condemned the antisemitic comments made by the squad members

1020
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Speaker 12: for being anti Semitic. Tim and I went to the

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Speaker 12: Senate floor on a Thursday afternoon and we had about

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Speaker 12: fifty co sponsors at the time, and to pass it

1023
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Speaker 12: we needed what's called unanimous consent, which means it will

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Speaker 12: pass unless a senator stands up and objects. And so

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Speaker 12: Tim and I went to the Senate floor. We didn't

1026
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Speaker 12: know if a senator, if you know, if some Democrats,

1027
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Speaker 12: some left wing Democrat would stand up and say I

1028
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Speaker 12: object We went there and it ended up nobody objected

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Speaker 12: it past one hundred to nothing, and I think the

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Speaker 12: Senate we were able to get it done. But I

1031
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Speaker 12: think in the House they're terrified of the.

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Speaker 4: Squad you and I and several of your staff who

1033
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Speaker 4: are in here right now who do a fantastic job.

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Speaker 4: We were just in Agi Land for the Texas A

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Speaker 4: and M Alabama game that was taking place down there. Yep,

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Speaker 4: I walked around with you all day. You get a

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Speaker 4: lot of negativity on social media. I didn't see a

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Speaker 4: single you might have heard one. I didn't see a

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Speaker 4: single negative word said about you all day. We're on

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Speaker 4: in Agi Land. There are a lot of Texas A

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Speaker 4: and M fans. They were all fabulous, a lot of

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Speaker 4: Alabama fans fabulous to you. I think that's important because

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Speaker 4: it doesn't get talked about very much.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was a fun experience to see how they responded

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Speaker 4: to you. So I just want to put that out

1047
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Speaker 4: there into the world. Now you've mentioned your podcast. You

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Speaker 4: have an incredible legal background, and you are a constitutional scholar.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: When you look at what is going on right now

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Speaker 4: with these latest Trump gag orders and Also when you

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Speaker 4: analyze what's going on in terms of the motions to

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Speaker 4: dismiss that they have argued or are part of presidential powers,

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Speaker 4: how do you assess that from a constitutional level, the

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Speaker 4: gag order that Judge Chuck Can has put on just

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Speaker 4: down the road from where we are in DC, and

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Speaker 4: also the argument that the January sixth charges on their

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Speaker 1: Or we got to get to a point of order.

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Speaker 2: Can we have Clay's question addressed by you in just

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Speaker 2: a moment we come back, because you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: think you can handle that in twenty seconds.

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Speaker 1: That's about what we got. You got to keep the

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Speaker 1: lits on and pay the market. Yeah, that's right, that's

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Speaker 4: are in studio here in DC with Senator Ted Kruz,

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Speaker 4: and I just asked that question, is it constitutional what

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Speaker 4: Judge Chuckkin is doing, How do you think it plays out?

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Speaker 4: And what do you think of the motion to potentially

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Speaker 4: vacate the charges? Yeah, so the gag order, I think

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Speaker 4: is blatantly unconstitutional. And this is actually something else that

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Speaker 4: I do a deep dive into in today's podcast and verdict,

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Speaker 4: so we talk about it at lea. The gag order,

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Speaker 4: among other things, purports to prohibit Trump not only from

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Speaker 4: criticizing the prosecutor, who has made a career out of

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Speaker 4: going after Republican politicians in a very partisan way and

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Speaker 4: getting his cases thrown out at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: but also from Trump saying anything about any potential witness

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Speaker 4: of the topic of the case, which is so overbroad

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Speaker 4: as to be wild. Look, one of the potential witnesses

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Speaker 4: is Mike Pence, who's literally running against Donald Trump to

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Speaker 4: be president right now, and so her order purports to

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Speaker 4: say that the leading candidate on the Republican side to

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Speaker 4: be president can't talk about one of his opponents in

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Speaker 4: the primary. That is insane. It is unconstitutional. If and

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Speaker 4: when it gets to the Court of Appeals, it will

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Speaker 4: be reversed.

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Speaker 12: I believe, however, it likely won't get appealed until it

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Speaker 12: is enforced. I don't think the judge will try to

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Speaker 12: put him in jail. I think that would be a

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Speaker 12: massive mistake on her part, and that would get it.

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Speaker 12: If she tried to put him in jail, that would

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Speaker 12: get reversed within hours. What is likely at some point

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Speaker 12: is that she finds him, she tries to put in

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Speaker 12: a fine for violating the gag order rather than trying

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Speaker 12: to incarcerate him. As I pointed out, even people on

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Speaker 12: the left, Irwin Chemerinsky, a very well known left wing

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Speaker 12: constitutional law professor, actually the opposing council. When years ago

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Speaker 12: I defended the Texas Ten Commandments monument in the US

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Speaker 12: Supreme Court, Irwin Chemerinsky was on the other side, arguing

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Speaker 12: that the Ten Commandments monument had to be torn down. Thankfully,

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Speaker 12: Texas one to five to four. Even Irwin Chemerinsky has

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Speaker 12: written an off ed saying this is obviously unconstitutional. He

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Speaker 12: hates Trump, but he says, look, you gotta respect the

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Speaker 12: First Amendment. On the second issue, I think it is

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Speaker 12: going to be difficult to get an appeals court to

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Speaker 12: step in on the merits of the case until after

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Speaker 12: the trial is over. So what I think is quite

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Speaker 12: likely is that Number one, I think Trump there's a

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Speaker 12: very good chance he gets convicted, and I think that

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Speaker 12: could happen before election day. I think on appeal the

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Speaker 12: conviction will be reversed. I think this case is utter crap,

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Speaker 12: but that is very likely to happen after election.

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