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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Edo Steak

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Speaker 1: is that woo woof? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys. Girls, my name

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Speaker 2: is ty Hill and brand that fine gentleman over there

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Speaker 2: as always the one, the only, still, the incomparable, Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Josh showered, drinking tea, wearing clean clothes, fully

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Speaker 1: locked in on what might be our most important episode

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Speaker 1: of the Middle Too Late Winter Tie. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: get weird, Let's get personal, let's get passionate.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well. As always, the show is driven by our

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Speaker 2: good friends over at Geico. We appreciate you stopping by.

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Speaker 2: On today's show. We are playing a little game of

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Speaker 2: how is your marriage?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, it means that, frankly, Dan's going to tell us

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Speaker 2: about when we can expect Reuben baby number three. Any

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Speaker 2: passionate plans for conception. You won't want to miss it.

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Speaker 2: You just won't want to miss it here on the

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Speaker 1: Actually, that sounds like exactly something you would want to

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Speaker 1: miss That sounds like you should definitely figure out other

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Speaker 1: options in terms of podcasting. How's your marriage stems from

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Speaker 1: a joke question. I used to ask Ti to make

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Speaker 1: How's your marriages? About college football coaches and their marriages

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Speaker 1: that are currently happening with their schools and college football,

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the sport is about relationships, relationships between

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Speaker 1: players and each other, players and coaches, coaches and schools,

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Speaker 1: the spark alive? Is the spark fading? Is the spark regrowing?

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Speaker 1: What is going on with these various relationships within the

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Speaker 1: But that will only be available to patrons at verbalers

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Speaker 2: Bit a chin music there with that lead. I was

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Speaker 1: No, it was okay. And the reason why we're doing

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Speaker 1: this right now is because this coming Monday, if I'm

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Speaker 2: don't we start with the Josh Gaddis news. Okay, Josh

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Speaker 2: Gaddis news came across this weekend. It is that he

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Speaker 2: Miami Hurricanes, led by one Marrier, Crystaball. So Chrystal Ball

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Speaker 2: But it's been since December the sixth, and he still

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Speaker 2: That started off being a headline that we discussed on

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Speaker 2: then recently, as of this weekend, Josh Gaddis, the Broyles

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Speaker 1: It is a coup for Miami. Miami, I think still

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Speaker 2: He sent a farewell text to players on the Michigan

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Speaker 2: the Michigan side of things, how they replace those vacancies.

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Speaker 2: But Josh Gaddis is taking his talents to South Beach

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Speaker 2: Dam and I am at least excited for the Miami

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Speaker 2: It also, I think, is a shot of life for

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Speaker 2: an offense that needs some creativity. Josh Gaddis has been

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Speaker 2: very good. He won that Broyles Award with good reason.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy who knows how to use his personnel.

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Speaker 2: He has tweeted hashtag speed in space. It's something he

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Speaker 2: at least when they were a more successful football program.

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Speaker 2: They're good at doing that. They have been good at

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Speaker 1: So he'll do that.

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Speaker 2: He'll do some ore po stuff, no huddle stuff, really

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Speaker 2: whatever the personnel allows for. I think Josh Gaddis is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and I hope and he is a

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Speaker 2: he was perfect. Good game for punter Jordan's Stout, who

432
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: had a couple coffin corners where he pinned guys pinned

433
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Speaker 2: the opponent deep. The MVP was Perry and Winfrey from Oklahoma.

434
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw a couple tweets that like Oklahoma players

435
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: were showing out and you're like, why couldn't you be

436
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: an effective defense guys?

437
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had five tackles and two sacks, so he

438
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: was the MVP. There was a lot written on the game.

439
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: I saw my friend Bailey Zappy got in on the

440
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: action a little bit, so nice. A lot of names

441
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: that you know and love. You'll clearly be hearing many

442
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: more things about all of those guys as we enter

443
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: into draft season here. But super Bowls this weekend. Got

444
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: to get that out of the way first, and then

445
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: presumably this time next week it's full bore behind the

446
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: NFL Draft.

447
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: And I'm a very very tiny NFL fan, but I

448
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: did see the forty nine Ers offensive coordinator is now

449
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Dolphins. Yes, Mike mcdaianel. It

450
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: was just like a fun, little excitable genius type allegedly,

451
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't I don't know if

452
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: I have that many Dolphins fans of my life, but

453
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: happy to see a guy like that succeeding.

454
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: Cool all right now, all that boring stuff is out

455
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: of the way.

456
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, it comes every year, whether you like it

457
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Speaker 1: or not.

458
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: How is your marriage? It's a college football game. We

459
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: swear we did this concept last year. We didn't do

460
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: it around Valentine's Day. We did it in more now

461
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: and I was going back through I was looking at

462
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Speaker 2: the show notes, and I was struck by the number

463
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: of college football marriages that we probably gave the kiss

464
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Speaker 2: of death to Miami.

465
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Speaker 1: And what did we say.

466
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was just I know we talked

467
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: about it. I don't remember what we said. I have

468
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: a suspicion what we said, but clearly at that point

469
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: in time, we didn't know it was gonna go the

470
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: way it.

471
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: Went, probably something around like we wanted to work because

472
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: they go way back and then you're just like but

473
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, there are some issues.

474
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Speaker 2: There are some issues that may have been the relationship

475
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Speaker 2: that I called out as Miami only being in it

476
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: for the hair, right. I don't recourse, but we talked

477
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: about Manny and Miami. We talked about Florida and Dan Mullen,

478
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: and again, not sure what we said. I've seen to

479
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: remember being fairly bullish on Florida.

480
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: It was in the shadow of a really incredible offensive,

481
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: most mostly offensive season, high level NFL talent.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, talked about as U and Herm Edwards. Yeah, it's

483
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: not going well. And we also talked about Nebraska and

484
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Speaker 2: Scott Frost, which Scott Frost still employed by Nebraska, went

485
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: three to nine though has not had a winning season though,

486
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: and that could be an issue.

487
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Speaker 1: So where are we starting?

488
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Speaker 2: I think we already did kind of start with Auburn

489
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: and Brian Harson, did we not?

490
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: And Harbor Michigan?

491
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is there any further context you would like to

492
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: add to either of those marriages?

493
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: No? I mean the Harson one seemed born out of

494
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: not desperation or loneliness, but like a rush of I

495
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: need to find somebody, and this person is willing, and

496
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: this person seems like they've got a good background and

497
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: that they could be a good fit, and then once

498
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: you get to know them, maybe you realize there's like

499
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: an annulment phase happening right now. The Harbaugh thing is

500
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: a trial separation that one person was like, man, I

501
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to do a trial separation,

502
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: and the other person thinking, yeah, we should definitely do

503
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: a trial separation and then the roles being reversed and

504
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: the person who wanted the separation is saying I miss her,

505
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I miss her, and the the other party saying, I

506
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: don't know, this is kind of an interesting this is

507
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting path for me. And then they

508
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: get back together and there's just like an air of unease.

509
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, things are different now, right, They're different because that trial,

510
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: a trial meant something.

511
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: Man.

512
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: Of course, trial gave off a new vibe.

513
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Harbaugh hit the bars and realized he doesn't

514
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: want to be out here doing TikTok dances. Yeah, so

515
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, or he was told I don't want

516
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you in my TikTok dance.

517
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: That's right, that's correct.

518
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, who we going to next? I have

519
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: a few, I mean I have Ryan Day. I want

520
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: to stick with the Big ten host. Let's do Ryan Day.

521
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Day and his relationship with Ohio State I think

522
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: was always reasonably strong, but there is something like I

523
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: think one day Ryan Day looked in the mirror and said,

524
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: I can be a better partner. And he said to himself,

525
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to trim some of the fat, and in

526
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: this case, This is perhaps coaches who he wasn't on

527
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: the same page with or didn't feel like they were

528
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: pulling his weights. Maybe Ryan Day is going to gym

529
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Maybe he's just doing a better

530
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: job of listening. Brian, excuse me. Ryan Day is he's

531
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: trying to work on him and do the things that

532
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: he can control to strengthen this relationship. And so that's

533
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, a new offensive line coach and

534
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: saying the old me is a thing of the past.

535
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing the little things around the you know, I'm

536
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: taking care of chores that I would always put off

537
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: that seem like, yeah, if I keep ignoring the water heaters,

538
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: it's going to come back to bite us. And I

539
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: know you've been bothering me about taking care of the

540
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: water heater. I don't know what this analogy. Cary Coombs

541
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: is the water heater. But Ryan Day's coming around to

542
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: listening about taking care of business. So let me pause

543
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: you there for a secon he it's being a better partner.

544
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Let me pause you there for a second. Okay, Is

545
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: there not a concern with Ryan Day going through this

546
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: period of self improvement. Is there not a moment at

547
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: which Ryan Day starts to wonder, have I improved myself

548
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: so much that maybe the trial separation is from me?

549
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: You think Ryan Day has outgrown his partner in this relationship,

550
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. I'm not saying has happened yet, right,

551
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: but I'm saying you're right. There has very clearly been

552
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: a pattern of self improvement here. It's trying to get

553
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: better for Ohio State, trying to be that better partner,

554
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: as you said, right, is it only a matter of

555
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: time then before it's like what sub NFL. It's possible.

556
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: It's possible, especially with how much he's been The hair

557
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: seems very dark. The Ryan Day hair situation's got like

558
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: the steven Sagall like facial hair tint. I don't think.

559
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's imminent. I think he's really happy

560
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: with what he has. I think he's really happy with

561
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: his lot in life right now and realizes how fortunate

562
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: he is and the type of freedom and success that

563
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: he is finding in his marriage.

564
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I was heartened by the fact

565
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: that there were some NFL questions lobbed at him, right sure,

566
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: because there was the Bears opening and that was for

567
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: a long time that was. That was the hot rumor

568
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: because he can be reunited with Justin Fields, and the

569
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Bears are perennially a disaster. They just need to need

570
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: a guy who can get energy back in that program.

571
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: And he just sort of swatted him away, like, nah,

572
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm good.

573
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm not believed.

574
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm good.

575
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: The Ohio State job is arguably a better job than

576
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears job.

577
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: I like that, Ryan, Dad, I want to talk about

578
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: I want to stay in the great state of a home.

579
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk about Luke Fickle. Oh my god, I'm

580
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: ready for it.

581
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: Luke Fickle and Cincinnati. One of the angles that we

582
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: took last year no we did this show is which

583
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: of these marriages are forever. I'm of the belief, Dan,

584
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: nothing's forever. Nothing's forever. I don't know till death do nothing.

585
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: It says it right there in the vows. Nothing is forever. Right,

586
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: this is absolutely forever unless what unless we've got a

587
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: Hallmark movie situation going on, m hmm with Ohio State,

588
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: the old high school sweetheart re emerging and they come

589
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: back around on like a business trip or a best

590
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: friend's wedding something like that, Right, that's spark Reig Nights. Okay,

591
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: And that's spark Reig Nights. You should definitely take my

592
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: word on this, because I was spot on when I

593
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: said Brian Kelly's never gonna leave Notre Dame and when

594
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: I said just a few weeks ago that Harball is

595
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: as good as he's going to the NFL. So I

596
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: know a thing or two about reading the tea leaves here.

597
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Luke Fickle is forty eight and fifteen at Cincinnati in

598
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: five years, He's won the conference each of the last

599
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: two seasons. Obviously, just went to the playoff. They're about

600
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: to join the Big twelve. Did we see what year

601
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: they're joining the Big twelve? Is anybody know one that's

602
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: gonna It's.

603
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: Gotta be soon soon. Yeah.

604
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: So there's a lot going right for Luke Fickle, and

605
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: I honestly believe that that is forever unless the Ohio

606
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: State job opens, if and when that job opens, and

607
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Days a young guy too, I don't think there's

608
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: any like imminent retirement in the plans for him, provided

609
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: things keep going well. But I only see an Ohio

610
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: State future for Luke Fickle as another possibility outside of Cincinnati.

611
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Beyond that. I mean, he's not leaving for a job

612
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: across the country. I think he's got pretty deep roots

613
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: in the Midwest. The Michigan job could be interesting if

614
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: that comes open. I don't think not for him. I

615
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: find it hard to believe that in Ohio state blue blood. Yeah,

616
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: someone who bleeds scarlet and gray and Luke Fickle would

617
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: want to take that Michigan job. But I just I

618
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: think the only possibility for him is a Buckeye man.

619
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about you. So you talked

620
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: about big picture where Ryan Day or excuse me, where

621
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle could be. I'm going to talk about his

622
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: marriage with Cincinnati itself, the Bearcats. Okay, this is a

623
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: couple that's hot and heavy. This is a couple sneaking

624
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: away at a party to make out in an empty room,

625
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: do whatever. I don't know. We're talking Mile High Club.

626
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: We're talking about getaways just for the sake of getaways,

627
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: just to keep that fire alive. Dutch Country, right, Yes,

628
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about Luke Fickle out and about at the

629
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: grocery store, the dry cleaners, and you know, a lovely

630
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: young lady is saying like, hey, what's your and he

631
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: just points to his ring and he says, I'm good.

632
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm good. This is a guy who's loyal and passionate

633
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: and has blinders on, blinders on for the bearcats, and

634
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: this marriage is in such a good place.

635
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: Ty, Does Luke Fickle strike you as a passionate lover?

636
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Does Luke Fickle strike me as some There's an air

637
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: of seriousness and business to him.

638
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah too.

639
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Let's if you're if you're talking about this is going

640
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: to a weird territory and he's a very successful one

641
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the size of his family. Yeah, no,

642
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: I I in terms of creativity, in terms of thinking

643
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: outside the box, I don't know if I see that

644
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: in him. But man, is he just locked in? He

645
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: is just he is a marriage guy. Some people, you know,

646
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have friends who are just like I

647
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to get married. Luke Fickle's like,

648
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: let's have kids, let's figure out, let's figure out landscaping,

649
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: let's figure out, you know, let's clean some gutters. He

650
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: is just in it for the long and just he

651
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: loves being in a romantic partnership and the self awareness

652
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: there is very very obvious.

653
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of Luke Fickle. I'm a fan of

654
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: Luke Fickle. I like what he's doing at Cincinnati. I

655
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: hope they like what he's doing. I can't imagine otherwise.

656
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, he's into it.

657
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: You'll talk about Mike Norvel and Florida State.

658
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: Sure, let's do it.

659
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: About to start year three of this union got off

660
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: to a bit of a rocky start in year one,

661
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: year zero, whatever you want to call twenty twenty, when

662
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: three and six. Then last year got off to another

663
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: disaster start and went five and seven. They made a

664
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: late run out of Bowl game. Late run didn't quite

665
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: pan out, but the way they rallied the troops down

666
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: the stretch I thought was admirable. But what I'm watching

667
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: here is the fact that the recruiting class is twentieth

668
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: in the nation. That was behind both Florida as well

669
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: as Miami. Obviously, there was the t Travis Hunter mishap,

670
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: which did not help, right, And what I worry about

671
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: is with all of that baggage, I don't know if

672
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: I want to call it baggage, but with all that

673
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: stuff in the backs of the minds of Florida State

674
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: people and Dion standers, poaching guys like Travis Hunter.

675
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: Away right, Florida State guy.

676
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder if there is not a wandering

677
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: eye situation on behalf of Florida State.

678
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that's inappropriate to say. Yeah, I think

679
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: the timing of the marriage with the twenty twenty COVID

680
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: year and with his alleged missteps, but then clarifications about

681
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: social issues brought more broadly speaking, and how he came

682
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: sort of under the microscope with that stuff, and then

683
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: the weight. I mean, they lose to Jacksonville State this year?

684
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: Do they not? On a free and play? They lose

685
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: their first however many games, and you know, as soon

686
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: as it seems like there's a glimmer of hope that

687
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: they're turning a corner that Jordan Travis has this great game,

688
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: they loses something dumb And I just don't think there

689
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: is a ton of common ground at the moment. I

690
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: still think it can be salvaged, but right now there's

691
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of ground that needs to be crossed between

692
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Florida State and Mike Norvel to truly make this work.

693
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: There are big expectations from him as a partner, and

694
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: so far he has not exactly lived up to them.

695
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: I think Florida State wants it to work. I think

696
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Mike Norvell wants it to work. I think they're going

697
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: to give it there all, but with the coordinator inconsistencies

698
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: and coaching inconsistency, like it's just the thing that things

699
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: are adding up. I think they're going to try to

700
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: make it work in therapy. I think they're each going

701
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: to like, what do you what do you need from me?

702
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: What do you need from me?

703
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: But man, see the problems we're in rocky territory. There

704
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: was improvement. You look at the defense, the defense improved substantially.

705
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: It did like there are steps being taken to make

706
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: this a better partnership.

707
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: The problem, though, is when you're working that hard at it,

708
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: that's true, and you're looking across the room and there's Dion,

709
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: there's Coach, there's coach Prime. He got the bling, you

710
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: got the swagger. Does he not catch the eye of

711
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: the Florida State brass I have to believe he has.

712
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: I have to believe that's the elephant in the room

713
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: right now.

714
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But here's the other thing. What the Florida

715
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: State that Mike Norvell started a relationship with had been

716
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: hurt a couple times. You look at the end of

717
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: the Jimbo time, you look at the Willie Taggart era,

718
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: this is a Florida state that was still licking wounds,

719
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: that was still trying to find itself, trying to be

720
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: the best Florida state it could be. So I don't

721
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: know if it's a one way street that it's simply

722
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: on Mike Norvelle, because I just I think what he

723
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: was trying to find he at the same time of

724
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: trying to be the best coach he could be, is

725
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: just to be an encourager, to be somebody who can say, Okay,

726
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: let's let's break you down before we build you back up.

727
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: And it's a process to heal again, heal again, heal again.

728
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: You're up, Dan, Okay. I want to talk about Arizona

729
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: State and Hermit her Own Edwards.

730
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: Two years in a row, we're talking about as U. Yeah,

731
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: that's not a good sign for HERM Edwards. No, I

732
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: think HERM Edwards just doesn't read the room in this marriage.

733
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: He's buying weird gifts, he's he's taken Asu to strange

734
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: restaurants and having awkward you know, meetings and meals with

735
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: ASU's family. He's just he's not ready for marriage. He

736
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: is not a prepared guy to be married on this level,

737
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: and it seemed like that was going to be the

738
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: case on their wedding day. But you're like, you know what,

739
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: maybe he'll grow into this real but no, hold on,

740
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: hold on on their wedding day. Yeah, didn't he sort

741
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: of do the equivalent of forgetting the name?

742
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's actually Melissa not Melissa. Yeah, I

743
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: just made up that name. I don't know why. It's uh. Yeah.

744
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: It was a rocky start, but you feel like, Okay,

745
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: everybody says so many nice things about this guy that

746
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: he's ready to settle down once again, and I just

747
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: he's just a little bit too erratic and yeah, just

748
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: keep saying the wrong thing to ASU's dad, where you're

749
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: just like, what what is happening here?

750
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: He strikes me as a kind of guy who's watched

751
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: one too many Ted Talks. Yeah, you know, and he's

752
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: always got something inspirational to say. But then you look

753
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: at the results and it's like, hmm, you're sort of

754
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: under investigation right now.

755
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: It's talking a big game without the follow through. Yeah,

756
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: the bark versus bite type of thing, right, And I

757
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: worry about that with her.

758
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 2: I like her. You know, everybody knows her. Everybody who's

759
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: been a football fan for the last twenty years knows her.

760
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: And there's a lot to like there. He was likable

761
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: as a coach, He's been likable as an analyst on TV,

762
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: and so when he was hired, it was always a

763
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: bit of a weird fit. But it was like, all right,

764
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: got to change the model, right. Wasn't that his thing?

765
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: He's going to upend the model? Right. It was always

766
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: a little weird. It was inspirational, it was aspirational, but

767
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: it was a little weird. It required a leap of faith,

768
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: and after year one it seemed like things were going

769
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: in a better direction. I remember coming on the show like, hey,

770
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't so bad. Maybe they knew what they

771
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: were doing. That sort of dissipated pretty quickly.

772
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: Definitely married somebody younger, but also refuses to use a

773
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: cell phone. Weirdly, Yeah, like well this we gotta we

774
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: gotta be in communication here, you gotta you gotta come

775
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: up to twenty twenty two, and he's thinking about the

776
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: old ways of doing things like well, that's not gonna work.

777
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: So I think that's where we stand. I go, I

778
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: got a good one for you. Ready, How about Dave

779
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: Clawson and Dave Clawson and wake Forest. Dave Clawson wakes

780
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: up early, makes coffee, vacuums, trims the hedges. Dave Clawson knows. Look,

781
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the best house in the world. He

782
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: doesn't have the biggest and fanciest house, but he is

783
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: committed to making this marriage work. And he's going to

784
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: get the most out of this marriage because he is

785
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a giving partner. He is a listener, and he's not perfect,

786
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: He's absolutely not. He has his blind spots and deficiencies,

787
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: but he's doing everything in his power to be the answer,

788
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: to be a part of a great marriage. And I

789
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: think it's reciprocated. I absolutely think it's deprecated. But he

790
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: is just, he is on it. He is you know,

791
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: before wake Forest can say what's for dinner, he said,

792
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's already in the oven. Right. He's just

793
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: he is on top of it and maximizing the happiness

794
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: of this marriage.

795
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: He got one of those World's Greatest Dad t shirts

796
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: for Father's.

797
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: Day, absolutely, and he wears it. He wears it.

798
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: He wears it out in public, around the house doing chores.

799
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: He is on top of it. He is proud to

800
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: be the world's greatest dad, and he embodies being the

801
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: world's greatest dad.

802
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when Scott, Saderfield and Louisville leave the Clawsons

803
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: from the dinner party, Louisville's like, why can't you be

804
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: more like Dave? Why can't you be more like mister Clawson?

805
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: And he is. He's setting a high bar in the

806
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: acc neighborhood because everybody sees what he's doing.

807
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: My favorite Dave class in moment. I believe, if memory

808
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: serves it was Dave Classon. Yeah, Clawson was the guy

809
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: who I think was trying to bolt together some plan

810
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty to play in the spring.

811
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Well that was maybe that. I think that was Jeff Brohm.

812
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: You might be confusing your black and Gold schools, or

813
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: maybe Clawson was as well.

814
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: I think Clawson was involved with that, or there was

815
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: there was something like that in twenty twenty, and a

816
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: listener can point out what I'm forgetting, But there was

817
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: there was some sort of high concept that Dave Clawson

818
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: was involved with. Okay, and it was like it came

819
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: out of nowhere that Clawson was the guy doing this right,

820
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, this is a guy committed to

821
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: the bit. This is a guy to your point, dinner

822
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: is already in the oven. You know, you don't need

823
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: to worry about going to Chick fil a ordering out.

824
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: I mean, they've da've Crosson's guy. He covered And I've

825
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: always had a sauce spot for the guy ever since

826
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: we started calling it the claw Fence.

827
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Of course not we didn't invent that.

828
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: That was Kick Patterson.

829
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: I think, oh nice.

830
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: Whoever came up with that, it was very good. It's

831
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: always stuck with me and I've always been a fan

832
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: of so after the year they had with date with

833
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: Sam Hartman wake Forest. This guy he deserves as many

834
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: ties as you can give him.

835
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: He's taking wake Forest dry cleaning in without being asked. Yeah,

836
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: awesome guy things.

837
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: This is a guy drives the minivan around with pride.

838
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: Where's the T shirt? Yeah?

839
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I have Arkansas down here, Arkansas and Sam Pittman as

840
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: possible swingers. People coming in and out, a lot of transfers.

841
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: But it's high excitement, you know, I don't know how

842
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna end. I don't know how it's gonna end,

843
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: but a lot of excitement, a lot of energy infused

844
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: into this marriage via this decision. Yeah, we'll see, We'll

845
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: see surrounding himself with all sorts of interesting people, coordinators,

846
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: I have them, Yeah, I have. I have a lifestyle.

847
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I have the Sam Pittman lifestyle happening at Arkansas. Sam

848
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Pittman seems like the kind of guy who owns a

849
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: couple of Hawaiian shirts. I would I aspire to be

850
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: that kind of person a couple of Hawaiian shirts. Wants

851
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: to own a boat if he doesn't already somewhere, we

852
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: can take something you can take out in the lake

853
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: and go fishing.

854
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: That's Sam Pittman. What goes on on that boat, Dan,

855
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what you're getting at here. Of course, sees

856
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: you don't know. You just don't know what Sam's up to.

857
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Sam Pittman is a quintessential great second husband

858
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: right where he's He's everything everything that you didn't have

859
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: in your last loveless marriage. Sam Pittman's tan, he's positive.

860
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: People like being around him. Sure, it's just it's a

861
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: full one to eighty from where you were in your

862
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: marriage before Sam Pittman, he comes in and you know,

863
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: maybe he's never been married, right, and so he's just

864
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: so excited to be in a marriage.

865
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

866
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: And he's just he just's he's shooting out of bed

867
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: every morning. He's he's a tan guy. Very people respond

868
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: to him. Your friends like him so much more than

869
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: the last guy. There's just there's a an air of

870
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: not excitement, but an air I mean there is excitement,

871
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: but there's just an air of relief and just juice

872
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: about him that I think everybody is in love with.

873
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: Who is the last coach, Chad Morris? Yeah, yeah, so

874
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: I think in retrospect there's a pretty strong contrast there,

875
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: mm hmm, at least through two years of the relationship. Yeah,

876
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: it's going pretty well for Sam Pittman.

877
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about Scott Frost and Nebraska again?

879
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Sure?

880
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: Why not Scott Frost in Nebraska? This is an interesting circumstance.

881
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: I think this may more specifically be Scott Frost in

882
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: the new athletic director trev Alvert Albert's because the Nebraska

883
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: fan base I believe has already divorced Scott Frost per

884
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: my understanding.

885
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

886
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: He's kind of dead to the fan base. He's been

887
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: a losing coach frankly since he got there. Fifteen and

888
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: twenty nine is his record in four seasons. He is

889
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: undefeated in bowl games only because he hasn't been to one.

890
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: And I think we're at the point where he basically

891
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: gets one more chance. He gets one more chance before

892
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: they fire him, and then I'm assuming try to hire

893
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell because he's sort of close.

894
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: But I don't sure.

895
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what happens next. So more to the

896
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: point of what you raised earlier about couples sort of

897
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: being in therapy, this is a one last chance type

898
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: of thing, isn't it. This is one last chance. It

899
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: really is.

900
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: I would say Nebraska probably went on, Hinge went on,

901
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: Tinder went on, I think it's bumble right, you've heard

902
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: of bumble yes, and did some swipe in and said,

903
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: slim pickens, slim pickens. I'm gonna stay in this relationship

904
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: for now, and I want it to work. But we

905
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: just keep talking about old stories. He just keeps bringing

906
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: up old stuff. But I want to live in the moment.

907
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talk but it's action overwords

908
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: at this point, and yeah, I just it doesn't seem

909
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: like a relationship destined to work out for Nebraska. And

910
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: he means well, yeah, he means well, there's a lot

911
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: of positive attributes, but the action just isn't there. He

912
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: says he's gonna do this, he says he's going to

913
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: do that, but at the end of the day, gutters

914
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: aren't cleaning themselves out, you know, right right.

915
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: Does not feel like it's going to be long for

916
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: this world, right, Yeah.

917
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: It seems like he schedules date night, gets a reservation,

918
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: but then last minute a buddy calls and says he

919
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: needs and he's just like, Okay, Scott, I guess have fun.

920
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: What do you have? You want Texas? Do you want

921
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: South Carolina? I've got I've got a good one. I

922
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: think for A and M or I want to do

923
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: an do Jimbo?

924
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what are you think it for Jimbo?

925
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: Okay, So another dinner party situation where they're they're they're

926
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: going out of their way Jimbo and Texas, A and

927
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: M to talk about all the fun things that they do,

928
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: all the crazy things that they get into. They're laughing

929
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: at each other's jokes. But at the same time, there's

930
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: just a weird feeling in the air when you look

931
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: like the chemistry seems like it's there. They're trying really

932
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: really hard to make it seem like it's Things are

933
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: going great, but I don't know. They kiss awkwardly. You're like,

934
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can see them going all

935
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: the way. I don't know if I see that passion

936
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: burning as bright as everybody says it's burning. Really saying,

937
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: M Jimbo fish.

938
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Now, why do you say that? Because they just signed

939
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: the best recruiting class of all time?

940
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: Dan, I know, but I'm saying, look, Jimbo and Texas

941
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: A and M building a great house. It seems like

942
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: they have great kids. Right. Everything seems to be on

943
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: the outside looking great, looking like they're on the way up.

944
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Everything's going great. But at the same time, there's like,

945
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, for whatever reason, when push comes to shove,

946
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: they're not there for you. Are you thinking this is like, uh,

947
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: and they're not there for each other? Perhaps?

948
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Are you thinking this is maybe an Instagram marriage?

949
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't go that far. I think it's a

950
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: good marriage. I just think everybody's trying so hard in

951
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: this family to show everybody how perfect it is right

952
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: that it makes me worry a little bit about something else.

953
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: Jimbo got the fake hare too, didn't he? And he

954
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: really is true?

955
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Well it's technically, I mean that was a while ago, right,

956
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: I think though it's to fa. I don't think he's

957
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: wearing a wig.

958
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: No, No, it took.

959
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: I think it's that's fine. I think he looks great.

960
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's he's in it, man, I mean he's

961
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: getting paid handsomely to do it and got the number

962
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: one recruiting class of all time. Yeah, there will be

963
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: expectations that come with that, but you would expect, to

964
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: your point that we're going to start to see some

965
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: results here shortly. If we don't see the results, it'd

966
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 2: be interesting to see if that takes any kind of turn, right,

967
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: that relationship goes to a different place, because you know,

968
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: you don't get those kind of headlines without the expectations

969
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: that come along with them, especially in the sec.

970
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: Like maybe at a dinner party they're playing like a

971
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: newlywed game type thing and they're just not They don't

972
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: know each other's favorite or derbs. Yeah, I thought they'd

973
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: be more on the same page.

974
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: Did you want to do?

975
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: USC? Yeah, the perfect couple, tie, the perfect couple. But

976
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Through some back channels, uh oh, Lincoln

977
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: Ry's X has some not great things to say about it,

978
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: and here's USC thinking what a find, what a catch? Yeah,

979
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: this is so great?

980
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

981
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Is it sour grapes that it didn't work out? Or

982
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: is the X onto something? Now? I don't think USC

983
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: is looking at the X with any sort of degree

984
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: of credibility here, because people just say things when they're

985
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: broken up, right, But at the same time, you're like, hmmm,

986
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: that is true of I didn't notice that about him.

987
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: He does have some weird looking defense and there is

988
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: maybe on the outside, it's just not obvious. And everybody

989
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: feels good about this, this brand new couple, like, oh,

990
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: what a fit, what a joy they are to go

991
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: out with. Yeah, yeah, but there's there's that X saying

992
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: watch out, youthful energy, don't don't come to me when

993
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, and said, I didn't tell you.

994
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: Billy Simms is somehow going to get involved in this,

995
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: isn't he.

996
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Of course he hasn't.

997
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Yet, But at some point Billy Simms will have comment

998
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: on this.

999
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Now.

1000
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: I the Lincoln Riley USC marriage does, on the surface

1001
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: seem like a match made in heaven. Yeah, a youthful

1002
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: guy going to a place that is always very much

1003
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: front and center. Maybe a trophy element, there is a

1004
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: trophy element that's sort of what I'm getting at. Younger, flashier, Yeah,

1005
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: from another state. Yeah, yeah, paid a lot, not as

1006
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 2: tann as Sam Pittman, but close.

1007
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: It's costing you a lot of money. Yeah, it's definitely

1008
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: costing you some cash right to make this relationship work.

1009
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: The early yields is there. It seems to be the

1010
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 2: early yields there. And I mean, I think this is

1011
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: the type of situation where USC was in a relationship before,

1012
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: where they could go out and be cordial with Clay

1013
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: Helton's friends.

1014
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1015
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 2: But the friends that Lincoln Riley is bringing to town

1016
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: are a lot more inspiring, Like Caleb Williams is come

1017
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: into town now, man, mm hmm. Malachi Nelson's coming to town.

1018
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: Like these friends that he's coming to the party with,

1019
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, just makes for more interesting conversation slight

1020
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: fish out of water a little bit, oh yeah, like

1021
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: friends family saying like, oh, he's uh, he's Presbyterian.

1022
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: Huh. Interesting where you don't know what it means, You

1023
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: don't know if it means anything, but somebody says something Presbyterian. Huh,

1024
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: that's the funny word.

1025
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1026
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michigan State, I have down here as a marriage

1027
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: worth talking about.

1028
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: Man, Michigan State, you're gonna have to pry Mel Tucker

1029
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 2: away from their dead lifeless fingers. This is a situation

1030
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: where Michigan State maybe will prove to be a little

1031
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: bit clingy in the end.

1032
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: Here because for sure. But that's okay, No, it's fine,

1033
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: it's fine.

1034
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: Everybody. Everybody out there is looking at that Michigan State situation, say,

1035
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: why don't we have a melt Tucker. Big melt Tucker

1036
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: would want to come here, so.

1037
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: Northern Dave Clawson. Yeah, anybody got Mel Tucker's email?

1038
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: Oh it's a Gmail, it's not aol. We like mel

1039
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: Tucker like.

1040
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like Michigan State loves what they got

1042
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: but wakes up every day just a little worried.

1043
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: That he's out of their league. Yeah. Interesting, Well, first

1044
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: of all, Michigan State is not only thrilled to have

1045
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: a spouse like Mel, but coming off of.

1046
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: The break, Like Mel continue, I'm sorry that was weird.

1047
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: But coming out of that marriage, which the way it

1048
00:56:52,600 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: ended was tedious, was so draining and and it had

1049
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: its moments, but the slow decline of the last marriage,

1050
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: We're talking about a really, really tough divorce process where

1051
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: just by the end of things, it's Mark D'Antonio going

1052
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: to the grocery store and saying, you owe me eighty

1053
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: four dollars for all of your stupid crackers.

1054
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: And they had been divorced for a while, Yeah, it was.

1055
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: It had been falling apart for sure.

1056
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: They were divorced for a while. They just finally chose

1057
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: to make it official right before the twenty twenty campaign,

1058
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: you know.

1059
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: And mel Tucker's that glow up. Mel Tucker's absolutely that

1060
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: glow up, that that infusion of life that he's leaving

1061
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: you a little wobbly need tie. What are we talking about, Settle.

1062
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Mel Tucker's just he's a giver. He's an absolute giver.

1063
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of other schools here, Ty that

1064
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm about to get weird with if if you'll indulge me,

1065
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what you have left on your list.

1066
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: I just have a bigger picture marriage between colleges and

1067
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: college foot ball, A realm out, a real retrospective. Okay,

1068
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: a lot's been floated out there. A lot's been floated

1069
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: out there, especially in light of NIL becoming a thing

1070
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: and the transfer pool becoming a thing and everybody and

1071
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: their uncle going into the transfer portal, and it's knock

1072
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: some coaches for a loop to the extent where you've

1073
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: heard coaches, you've heard analysts, who've heard conference commissioners talk

1074
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: about whether or not college football fits inside of the

1075
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: college model at the point because of the money, because

1076
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: of everything that goes into the industry of college football

1077
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: at this juncture, Like should this really be within the

1078
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: academic system? And I like the fact that it's made

1079
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: the job harder for colleges, especially those colleges that are

1080
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: blue bloods, the Alabamas, the Clemsons. Right, it's made it harder.

1081
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: They've they've gotten now got something that they got to

1082
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: work for, Like they got to buy the peloton. If

1083
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 2: they want to get in shape, sure, if they want

1084
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: to be in this thing for the long haul and

1085
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: take care of their part of the relationship. But part

1086
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: of me is worried if we look like fifteen twenty

1087
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: years in the future. If this is just one of

1088
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: those weddings that you went to and you said, man,

1089
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: this is a great couple. There's a lot of fun.

1090
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: I am thrilled to be here. I don't see it

1091
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: going thirty five years, right. I think it's got a

1092
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: shelf life.

1093
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: Most don't.

1094
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: I think eventually like something's just gonna I don't know,

1095
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: it's got that weird feeling I can't put my finger

1096
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: on and I feel guilty about saying it. Sure, but

1097
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: I wonder if at some point down the road there

1098
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: is some sort of maybe it's just for maybe it's

1099
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: for business reasons. I don't know. Maybe this is a

1100
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: marriage of convenience where they're just sort of together for

1101
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: business interests, and over the course of time you find

1102
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: that there's no real love there. It's a money thing. Sorry,

1103
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: we're divorcing. We're going our separate way. College football and

1104
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: colleges kind of decouple from one another.

1105
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't see it. I think they're so locked in.

1106
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: I think they're so locked in. Yeah, I don't know.

1107
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you certainly could be right. I don't know.

1108
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: But I met a couple once that was together only

1109
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: because they co owned a business and they were terrible people.

1110
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: Terrible people. Did they did they work together?

1111
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? As a couple. Yeah, so hated each other. Oh

1112
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: they did hate each other.

1113
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: Okay, did it for the business and it was weird.

1114
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: And I just I hope college football and colleges and

1115
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: academia do not get there. But I have that as

1116
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: I have that as a Northwestern Pat Fitzgerald marriage. Oh interesting.

1117
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they're together, it's much more of a partnership

1118
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: than a romantic affair. That it made sense for each other.

1119
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: But do you think Northwestern feels like he can do

1120
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: better than Pat Fitzgerald?

1121
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: No? No, absolutely, I mean he won the Big Ten

1122
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: West a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago. No.

1123
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: I think they like the feeling of the familiarity of

1124
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald. He's been there so long, played from there.

1125
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: He's mister Northwestern. But just in terms of a spark,

1126
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: in terms of that offense, you know, Al he's tried

1127
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: a couple times to rekindle that flame. They're like, you

1128
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: know what, let's not try to be something we're not

1129
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: as a couple. Let's just be who we are and

1130
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: hope for the best. We like the same TV shows,

1131
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: we like the same snacks from the grocery store, and

1132
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: we're great at co parenting our kids. Yeah, you know,

1133
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 1: we're into the same stuff more broadly speaking. But it's

1134
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: not like I'm willing to do what it takes to

1135
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: knock you off your feet.

1136
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I.

1137
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: Just other side of that. Yeah, hook them, hook them.

1138
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Texas all in on looks on trophy appearances. Money can

1139
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: only do so much, though, ty as you know, it

1140
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how nice the bag Texas is holding is,

1141
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how nice of a car, all the pictures

1142
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: that you see from vacations, the five star vacations, because

1143
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: you still hang out with them and they're not fully

1144
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: grown up. They're not they're not focusing on the important things.

1145
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: They don't have their act together, you know. There somebody

1146
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: forgets to pick up a kid from soccer practice, like

1147
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: there's still too much swirling in their head and it's

1148
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: much more about appearances.

1149
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: Is this the Instagram marriage?

1150
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: This could be the Instagram marriage?

1151
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: This could be the Instagram marriage. Yeah, yeah, I worry

1152
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: about that. I worry. I worry in this relationship that is.

1153
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: Sark decided one day he wanted to change his hairstyle

1154
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: or maybe crowl Mustache Texas would be like, what are

1155
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 2: you doing? Yeah, you can't do that?

1156
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: No, not no, I need I need much better posts.

1157
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: I can't put that on Instagram. Yeah, by the way,

1158
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to hashtag that?

1159
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: With?

1160
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: Living in the suburbs? Tie? I see, like I come

1161
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: across people, not even really people I know, but like

1162
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: friends of friends. Joey'll send them to me or somebody

1163
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: else will send them to me. Like you're doing like

1164
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: these full like you hired a professional photographer to take

1165
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: pictures of your Halloween decorations and your family. Yeah, like

1166
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: what you're spending all this effort to show how like Cutesee?

1167
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Come on, what are we doing here? It just doesn't

1168
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: seem accessible.

1169
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: No, it is worrying. It is worrying. But now with

1170
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: Quinn Yours coming to town, I guess Quinn Yours coming

1171
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: to town. I don't I don't know what the analog

1172
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: is for in relationship world, but you know, sort of

1173
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,479
Speaker 2: the cool zany crazy friend who comes in and could

1174
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: fix your washer or build a new deck, or do something,

1175
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: do something that you've been needing for a long time. Right,

1176
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: it could be that is resourceful enough in a way

1177
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: that truly impresses Texas, makes them feel a way they

1178
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: haven't felt before, at least not in some time.

1179
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: Having a kid to save the marriage. Sure, having a kid,

1180
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: bringing in a new kid to this world to try

1181
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: and make the marriage work out. I have Baylor as

1182
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: a quiet burn tie fly and burned Dave Randa Baylor,

1183
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: the mystery is alive. They enjoy reading books together in bed,

1184
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: discussing what they've been reading early to bed or early

1185
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: to rise. It just it works for them. Tis it's

1186
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: a strong partnership. They found each other. Baylor never thought

1187
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: they were going to find another person like Matt Rule.

1188
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: But here comes Dave Randa, and he's a different cat.

1189
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: He's more intellectual. They lay there, they read, they talk

1190
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: about wordal strategy.

1191
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know they were of such an intellectual pursuit.

1192
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: Of course, of course they're just how on a different

1193
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: frequency together.

1194
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got little inside jokes. But it's like about proost,

1195
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's different, it's but it works for

1196
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: them right where you're just like you've come across a couple.

1197
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know if I could date her,

1198
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: and maybe Kate says, I don't know if I could

1199
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: date him, but you both agree like.

1200
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: They're good together.

1201
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good. It works, obviously, the proof is in

1202
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: the pudding.

1203
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: It is one of those situations where over the course

1204
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,439
Speaker 2: of time they start to look like one another. Yes,

1205
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 2: which is a weird thing. That, for sure, I think

1206
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 2: happens in the best of relationships.

1207
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: So, yeah, does your dog look like you or Kate?

1208
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:36,479
Speaker 2: Not yet?

1209
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: That happens too, right, I think maybe.

1210
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what the science says on that.

1211
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you've seen pictures. Sure, No, exactly. I have Wisconsin

1212
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: as a very comfortable relationship that it's time to get

1213
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: out of the rut. I'm not saying to break up.

1214
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying get out of the rut. Same restaurants, same routines,

1215
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: same comebacks to each other, you know, the same vacations.

1216
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: Were were just like, you know what, let's change things up.

1217
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: But didn't they go out and marry like the boss's

1218
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: son or the boss's uh you know understudy. Sure they

1219
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: have a type, big burly, yeah, warm, Yeah. Look, they

1220
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: had a fling with Gary Anderson for sure, didn't work out. No,

1221
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: they went against type. They wanted to.

1222
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: Get back to that that big cozy snuggler. Yeah, familiar,

1223
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: the familiar scent, the badger state cozy snuggler. But yeah,

1224
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: I think Paul christ is realizing that he needs to

1225
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: he needs to change it up a little bit because

1226
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: they got a little too comfortable. Give me one more,

1227
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: all right, I have here. How about Kentucky. Oh boy,

1228
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: Kentucky's interesting. Kentucky. I have here as rock solid, people

1229
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: are happy. There are times when Kentucky or excuse me,

1230
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: when when Kentucky in that relationship, you know, one of

1231
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: them can be a little bit stubborn. Uh maybe a

1232
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: little bit of a wandering eye towards basketball. Yeah, yeah,

1233
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: but in terms of you know, stubbornness with the offense

1234
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: where it was the past couple of years. But they

1235
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: made that change. I think I think Mark Stoops and

1236
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: Kentucky both decided, you know, we're going to see a

1237
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: trainer together. We're gonna get lean, we're gonna be our

1238
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: best selves together. And so what if we're not as

1239
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: hot as the couple down the block, So what if

1240
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: we're not as rich, We're happy. Damn it, We're getting results.

1241
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: This is the type of situation where Kentucky and Mark

1242
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: Stoops married late. Yes, they waited, they waited, They waited

1243
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: until they were in their late forties, early fifties. Sure

1244
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: it took a while to get there. But now it's

1245
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: a situation where friends on really both sides are saying

1246
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: things like, I'm really happy for you worked out. I'm

1247
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: really happy you found that person. Mm hmm, glad it

1248
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: worked out. Yeah, because it has worked out. I mean,

1249
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: come on, famously, let's be real, it's really worked out.

1250
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: Good for them, Good for them.

1251
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: What a great, good, great couple. They They make every

1252
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: wedding dance floor better, they make every dinner party better.

1253
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: Maybe you run into them on vacation and you're just like, yeah,

1254
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: of course we're going on a double date. We're in Mikonos.

1255
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah they're great. You didn't think I was gonna drop

1256
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: an illusion to Mark Stoops and his football wife vacationing

1257
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: and Mikonos and everybody going crazy over a plate of halluomi?

1258
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: Did you?

1259
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: I did not see that coming.

1260
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: All right, you like Greek food, You like halumi?

1261
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: No, I don't even know what that is. I have

1262
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: no idea.

1263
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: Hallumi is a cheese. It's just a very It's a

1264
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: mild white cheese. It's not unlike like a creamy or mozzarella.

1265
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 2: I've never heard that word in my life, have you, hallumi?

1266
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: H l o u m.

1267
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: I never heard that word mine.

1268
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: Never have you heard of so the Greeks will like

1269
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: fry a cheese and they'll set it on fire. Have

1270
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: you ever seen that?

1271
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 2: No? Really, I've had a Gyro once in my life,

1272
01:08:59,640 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: and it.

1273
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: Was if you're at a Greek salad.

1274
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: I have had a Greek soll yeah, I've had a Greek.

1275
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the white cheese. It's in a Greek salad.

1276
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: It's probably cubed up. It's it's very mild. What was

1277
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: that word again, halloumi l u m I? Maybe? I

1278
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: mean there's obviously going to be feta in a Greek

1279
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: salad as well, right salt to your cheese. But yeah, hallumi,

1280
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: very mild. I recommend it. It's good.

1281
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: This is not a show about culture. It is a

1282
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: show about college football. We would encomfort you sometimes to

1283
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: write in across any of our social media channels to

1284
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,840
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Speaker 2: Let us know what we got right, what we got wrong?

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Speaker 2: How you will be preparing for Valentine's Day. If you

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Speaker 2: would want to share that information with us, we'll be

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Speaker 2: happy to be your sounding board.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Our website is Solid verbal dot com. You could find

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Speaker 2: us across pretty much every social media channel. Please follow

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Speaker 2: if you haven't already. You still have a few days

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Speaker 2: So it posted that in a bunch of places. Running

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Speaker 2: out of time though, we're drawing that winter on Valentine's Day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you still got about a week. Hmm, get your

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Speaker 2: name in the hat.

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Speaker 1: But uh, this is where we are.

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Speaker 2: Dan fun show as always, weird show.

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Speaker 1: As you want to talk Brady Hoak in San Diego State,

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Speaker 1: get back together with your ex husband. Look, you know

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Speaker 1: he's going to say inappropriate things at dinner parties. You're

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Speaker 1: okay with his deficiencies? Another cozy snuggler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all, okay, thank you for downloading show.

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Speaker 1: Halloy. Here's what we're gonna do. So you are going

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Speaker 1: to we're gonna wrap things up right now. Then we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna leave the record button on and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: ask you uncomfortable questions about your marriage and great. It's

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Speaker 2: This is the worst idea you've ever had. I love

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Speaker 2: it for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Tie Hildon Brandt. Thank you so much for downloading,

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Speaker 2: for listening, for playing along at home. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,