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Speaker 1: From Indianapolis. He sees the twenty twenty three NFL combine

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back for hour or two

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Speaker 1: of the drive here live from the Indianapolis Convention Center.

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Speaker 1: For the Indiana Convention Center. At least get that wrong

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, I would never correct you. I would never notice. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're just a gentleman like that. No, it

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Speaker 1: just goes right over my head. And maybe because you

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Speaker 1: said it so many times, probably that probably has something

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Speaker 1: to do with it. So we'll get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see some workouts tonight. Combine start that. This is when

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Speaker 1: it really starts. Yeah, you actually see sort of football

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Speaker 1: things stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all get excited

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Speaker 1: about the numbers too. Whoa do you see that? Did

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Speaker 1: you see that? Rep? Yeah, that kind of stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to that. As we work through this

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Speaker 1: week here, we'll get to see more and more of this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In terms of I believe tomorrow or the defensive backs'

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Speaker 1: schedule around used it used to be the quarterbacks were first,

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Speaker 1: and then he went through the week. I'm se sure

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Speaker 1: what they wanted was the quarterbacks on Saturday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, because people are gonna watch any right. So

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Speaker 1: that's how it's fine. Changed the defenses change things up

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Speaker 1: a little bit this year. Um, so that'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how they how that all breaks down. And um,

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Speaker 1: I think the linebackers, the edge rushers, it might be

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Speaker 1: the best position. Then they're gonna put it on a show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of what they look like, the length,

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Speaker 1: what they look like in their span dex and the

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Speaker 1: builds and the way they move is rare. I mean

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Speaker 1: we've been joking on the early show. I mean with

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Speaker 1: Max about you know all these Veloci raptors and you

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Speaker 1: know all these insane people hunting quarterbacks now, and there's

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Speaker 1: so many of them in this draft, Miles Murphy and

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Speaker 1: the Texas Tech kid, I mean, all these long van

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Speaker 1: ness and guys like that. I mean, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: little crazy. Um. Every year I'm more and more impressed

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Speaker 1: with the specimens. You know, the athletes. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Trevon Walker last year, but now there's five Travon Walkers

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Speaker 1: in this class, and so the training has gotten better

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Speaker 1: for this every year. Of course, these guys are training

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Speaker 1: more so. I saw, uh, this was in the pre

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Speaker 1: little package at the NFL put out that was pretty

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Speaker 1: by the way, absolutely last year was the fastest combine

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Speaker 1: on record. I'm glad you brought that up because remember

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Speaker 1: last year, I forgot this narrative. But remember last year

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Speaker 1: they had just put new turfing because the first day

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Speaker 1: we were all like, man, that group's really fast, and

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Speaker 1: then they all were really really fast. Has it slowed

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Speaker 1: down in a year or is that just the new

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Speaker 1: norm here in Indianapolis. I don't know enough about turfing

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Speaker 1: conditions and things worn down a little bit. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea, but they were. I expect him to be

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Speaker 1: as fast, if not faster, this year. Yeah. I just

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Speaker 1: think the level of athletes, particularly the front seven um

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Speaker 1: are just faster more where the game is trending. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think the linebackers will I think they'll be.

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Speaker 1: Linebackers are run the four fall. So last year, the

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Speaker 1: the big thing was the defensive tackles were running you know,

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Speaker 1: four eights and four sevens. There's some guys that might

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Speaker 1: do that this year. I mean Madzie Smith at three

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Speaker 1: twenty might run for eight, you know, I mean some

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Speaker 1: of the real big dudes. And yeah, I do think

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Speaker 1: there's some d tackles that could run four seven, four eight.

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Speaker 1: Some of these big edges could run four fives. You know,

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Speaker 1: the linebackers could runs four fours. I mean that's flying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground. It's uh, the game has changed,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I think you've you can credit some

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Speaker 1: of that to the spread offenses in college because teams,

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Speaker 1: especially defensively, have had to approach that differently than they

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Speaker 1: used to, where we're just gonna line up in play

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and you're not gonna move the football

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Speaker 1: and basketball and grass and you know, basketball are the

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Speaker 1: freakiest athletes out there, you know, I mean, so it

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Speaker 1: similar to that too. Max. That's some good insight in

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Speaker 1: the day too, about how far the trainings come. And

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Speaker 1: he was talking about the nutrition and an alarm goes

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Speaker 1: little morsel and then this, you know, like it's just

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Speaker 1: a little morsel every you know, ten minutes. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: it works for me. So uh yeah, it's it's I'm

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Speaker 1: interested to intrigue to see what some of these guys

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Speaker 1: so you know you want to see So as a

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Speaker 1: is it that you're looking for from the that's just

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Speaker 1: basic explosion? Yeah, And I don't know that the broad

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Speaker 1: And like I know that that's vert I mean you're

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Speaker 1: exploding in a different way. I understand that. And the

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Speaker 1: broad actually shows a lot of body control because you

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Speaker 1: have to stick the landing and you can't put your

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Speaker 1: hand back and things like that. But those numbers I

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Speaker 1: really did more so than maybe any of the drills.

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Speaker 1: I just look at the top ten percent in the

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Speaker 1: not much one inch? But but who's really doing something crazy?

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Speaker 1: You know, Like my kids play volleyball, vertic will be

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Speaker 1: more important to me for volley you know you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Basketball deal, right, right, right? But is

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Speaker 1: he an explosive athlete? You know his lower bodies, so

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Speaker 1: mean we've been talking about George Pickens. So if George

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Speaker 1: Pickens jumps thirty five inches, he's sixty three good point, right, right,

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Speaker 1: And some of these guys are heavier than others and

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Speaker 1: more mastic get in the air. If somebody, you know,

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Speaker 1: if a guy that's five eight jumps forty two inches, okay,

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Speaker 1: well that that means something. Yeah, now he can Now

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Speaker 1: bit bigger if he jumps thirty two inches. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: I've got we got we got a problem. But football

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Speaker 1: is a different kind of sport. In that hockey, basketball, soccer,

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Speaker 1: they're out there a long time, they slow down, they

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Speaker 1: explodes the second that ball moves. It's like it's like

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Speaker 1: it's like the Big Bang theory. Yeah exactly, you know,

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Speaker 1: everything kind of goes from there, so explosion. And so

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing with the jumps too,

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Speaker 1: is who's gonna be the not even the quickest off

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Speaker 1: to build it all up and then Paul you know. Yeah, see,

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Speaker 1: that would be a drill. I would be interested in them.

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Speaker 1: a ten yards split. Yeah, Like, hey, you get in

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Speaker 1: we're gonna move the football and we're gonna measure it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and here's here's your goal. Get to there as quick

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Speaker 1: as you but don't jump off sides. Yeah, we leave early.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna penalize you for that. We're gonna move a

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Speaker 1: is only eight yards or so. The best pass rushers

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Speaker 1: in the league have great get off. It's a real

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Speaker 1: Steeler trade too. I didn't realize this till late, but

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Speaker 1: even in college Highsmith and Watt were like the best

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Speaker 1: of their way looking for get off, maybe more than

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Speaker 1: other I know they stress it with Carl Dunbar who

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Speaker 1: he works with their you know, their pass rushers on

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Speaker 1: that get off, and that's something they do every day

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Speaker 1: in practice. Yeah, and they do it in the off season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every single day they are together, they're working

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Speaker 1: on that get off speed. I mean, I'm sure Max

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Speaker 1: my big body, and I know I'm gonna be slower

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Speaker 1: off the ball, was that much better force at a

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Speaker 1: false starts right, right, whatever it may be, he oversets

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Speaker 1: by the way, you're on the road and there's crowd

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Speaker 1: noise and you can't hear. I mean, it's very, very important.

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Speaker 1: So that would be one I'd like to see for

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Speaker 1: the edge rush. That's not bad, Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's your get off because yea, and not on a

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Speaker 1: track right and yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, if you're slow

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Speaker 1: Jadeveon clowney being kind of slow off the ball and

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Speaker 1: long arms. But if you were a little quicker, get

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Speaker 1: think that would be something I want to see. What

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Speaker 1: my head. I mean, I think the d back drills

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Speaker 1: back back and the direction right, you know, to plant

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Speaker 1: do all those things, they do those turn and run drills.

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Speaker 1: soon as he you know, cocks his hand back, they

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Speaker 1: have to flip their hips and that stuffs really important,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Tidy Ringo, you know is big and fast,

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Speaker 1: but does he have oily hips? You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's cooing twenty pounds or whatever. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's what you watch out that. So conversely, how about

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman anything. I know Max wants to get

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Speaker 1: rid of the bench press. Yeah, the bench is dumb,

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Speaker 1: it's too dangerous. But the bench would be better if

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Speaker 1: it was three hundred and fifty pounds for the o lineman.

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Speaker 1: But I don't even think I care about bench. I

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Speaker 1: would rather have them do squats or dangerous. But I

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Speaker 1: had some sort of lower body power. Maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: leg press, you know, that's a little less dangerous. Or

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Speaker 1: maybe you might want to measure what's the what's their

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Speaker 1: punch punch power? What's their punch power? The punch punch

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Speaker 1: you know that, you know that that wouldn't be bad either.

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Speaker 1: I mean Drago could do it thirty years ago, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're not putting boxing gloves on them, but they

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Speaker 1: could hit a bag in the number would register you know? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet there would be I bet that they're really

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Speaker 1: telling them where I think about it. Yeah, here it

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he's got he's getting six hundred pounds

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Speaker 1: you could do one. You know, a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: They don't work independently. Yeah, that's a hard thing to do. Um,

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Speaker 1: But when you can that one hand punch can sty

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