1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson. 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: This week on the show, we talked about Washington Irving 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: and his influence on the holiday of Christmas. Um I 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: read some very spirited articles that were sort of alleging 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: that Charles Dickens had been unfairly given credit for a 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that should have been Washington Irving's credit. 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go that far, but 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: it is really interesting to see some of the things 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: that that clearly influenced Charles Dickens and may have influenced 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: the twas the Night Before Christmas poem. We did not 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: talk in great detail about the legend of Sleepy Hollow 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: and to the is any version of that that really 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: scared me so much as a child, and a big 15 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: part of it. As a child, I had a very 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: clear sense of fairness, and if something was unfair, I 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: found it just incredibly stressful. And it makes it very 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: clear that if Ichabod Crane got back over the bridge, 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: he would be safe from the headless horseman. Nikobad Crane 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: gets over the bridge, but then the headless horseman throws 21 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: his flaming pumpkinhead. It scared me so much as a kid. 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: And then the next day at Kabod Crane's got and 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, but he made it across the bridge. He 24 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: was supposed to be safe. It very much upset me 25 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: when I was little. Loved it. Um yeah, The Headless 26 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Horseman remains favorite memory of the Magic Kingdom Halloween, p Aid. 27 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I love all of that stuff, and I will I 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: made a strange in my head horror connection while we 29 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: were talking about watching because there's that segment where we 30 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: were talking about how he had put up notices about 31 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: how Diedrich Knickerbocker had gone missing right before he published 32 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: a book under that name, and I was like, oh 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: my god, he did the original Blair Witch marketing. Yeah, 34 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: um so that was Yeah, that's pretty cool. Are we 35 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: going to get to the ridiculous letters? Okay? So again, 36 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if Charles Dickens meant for 37 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: this to sound as suggestive as it sounded to me. 38 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: The first bit of this I found was just the 39 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: sentence questions come thronging to my hen as to the 40 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: lips of people who meet after long hoping to do so, 41 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, are we on archive of our 42 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: own right now? Let me go see if somebody has 43 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: written Washington Irving Charles Dickens slash. There was also, as 44 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: I understand it, this was a dinner that Washington Irving hosted. 45 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: The topic of the conversation for the evening was on 46 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: copyright law. Charles Dickens gave this sort of address thanking 47 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Washington Irving, and he said, I wish I had bookmarked it. 48 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: He was like, two nights out of seven, at least 49 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: two nights out of seven, I go upstairs to my 50 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: bedroom with Washington Irving under my arm, and I was like, 51 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: this sounds like something someone would write in there Dickens Irving. Yes, 52 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: it reminds me of I don't know if you remember 53 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: when we did our Bram Stoker episode and he wrote 54 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: that letter to Walt Whitman that was similarly like same. 55 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I had the intense and really like way suggestive wording, 56 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: and I had the same thing where I'm like, is 57 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: this just like a thing where it's like the turn 58 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: of phrases of the day today sound a little less 59 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: sivious or no? No, He was clearly pretty much in 60 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: love with Walt women. Um yeah, uh yeah, I Um. 61 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I went down a whole rabbit hole of trying to 62 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: find I was like, can I get my hands on 63 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: more of these letters? Because there are various collections of letters, 64 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: and I could not get more of them. But I 65 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: was like, are they all like this? Did they all 66 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: have this tone? At least on Dickens's part? Um, I 67 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: did not have the Washington Irving letter that prompted that 68 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: response from Dickens to see what Washington Irving's letter had 69 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: sounded like. But then I think about, have you ever 70 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: had that moment where someone you really admire just like 71 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: off handedly reaches out to you or said something and 72 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you're so worried about saying the right thing, or like 73 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: you meet someone that you really admire and then you 74 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: end up sounding like a way overblown, like intense nerd. 75 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I see how that could also be the case. Yeah. 76 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: I just had an embarrassing memory that I don't even 77 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: we'll just just tamp that down. It was it was 78 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: meeting like not even meeting, like being at the same 79 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: bar as a as a famous person at Dragon Con 80 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: and just like in that moment, being mature and professional 81 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: and saying something like I really like your work, thank 82 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: you so much, which is just just practice saying that 83 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: if you're going to be around some famous people, just 84 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: that's fine. But then like I turned to a friend 85 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: of mine and what I said next was not nearly 86 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: the ah yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, everybody makes a misstep 87 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: now and again. Sure, I will tell you I did 88 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: not realize how much of an influence because I associate Washington, Irving, 89 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: as you mentioned at the top of the episode, with 90 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: Halloween things and Sleepy Hollow specifically, I really did not 91 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: know how much of an influence he had on Christmas 92 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: in the US. Yeah. It was that's um, you know 93 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: something I had seen little headlines of articles floating around 94 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: and had not really looked into and I didn't realize 95 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: until doing the research for this episod showed that it 96 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: wasn't that he wrote fictional stories that were about Christmas, 97 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: sort of akin to a Christmas Carol. That these were 98 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: like essays that, uh, you know, might have been fictionalized 99 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: in some ways, but we're based on a holiday that 100 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: he spent in England and kind of like importing English 101 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: traditions back to North America, which makes it kind of 102 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: a circular thing because it was, like Christmas, not really 103 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: widely adopted in North America, more adopted in England. Washington 104 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Irving writes the stuff that starts popularizing it more in 105 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: North America, and then like that loops back over to 106 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Charles Dickens, who like reincorporated some of the same ideas 107 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 1: into his own, writing back and forth across the Atlantic Ocean. 108 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: How people think of Christmas as a celebration. Yeah, it's um, 109 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: it's fancy again. Like I said at the end of that, 110 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: I think if Washington Irving walked into like any retail 111 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: establishment on December five in the US, they would like, 112 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: what is going on? Yeah? Yeah, I'm like that. And 113 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: you know, I was raised Methodist. It's not even like 114 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I was not raised in a religion that was celebrating 115 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: this is a holiday. Yeah I don't. I'm fine with 116 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: all of the ridiculous holiday everything, so yeah, I haven't. Uh, 117 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: it's not even an immunity to it. I love that stuff. 118 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: So yeah. This week on the show, we talked about 119 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Jeff row Tull not the band, although hearing his story 120 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: made me wonder why anyone would name themselves after him. 121 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: So Jeff R. Tell is a as a band I'm 122 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: aware of, not a band I've ever, like extensively listened 123 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: to you. If I had, I might have known who 124 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: Jethrotele was named for. I think I just probably assumed 125 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: Jethro Tell was named for someone in the band. That's 126 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: what I would have told you without hesitation. Yeah, And 127 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: I didn't go trying to figure that out. But I 128 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: read just a random sentence somewhere that claimed that they 129 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: had changed their name a whole bunch of times, and 130 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: someone just suggested the name Jethro Tell and they went 131 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: with it. I don't know if that's totally accurate, but 132 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: sure seems like that seems reasonable to me. That seems 133 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: like a reason to band would would pick a name. UM. 134 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Doing research on this was challenging because there were a 135 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: lot of results about the bands everywhere I was trying 136 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: to look, uh, not as much when I was diving 137 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: into like academic journals because while there are you know, 138 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: academic articles about music and musicians and including recent music 139 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: and musicians, UM that I found more stuff that was 140 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: actually about agriculture without having to put in quite as 141 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: many qualifiers to try to weed out all the band stuff. 142 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: I was I kept giggling about what this is gonna 143 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: do to like search algorithms in podcast apps. Um, is 144 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: this episode gonna randomly show up on music roundups or something. 145 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: They'll be like, this is not what I was after. Nope, 146 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: sorry boy, what a crab? Yeah, I had. The more 147 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: I read about him, the more I felt like he 148 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: was really a jerk, and he really just seemed resentful 149 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: of all the people who worked for him. He had 150 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: that statement where he was like, it was four times 151 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: less labor to do it this way, And I was like, 152 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: are you really telling me that having your workers dig 153 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: a channel, carefully, put the seed in, and cover it up, 154 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: you're telling me that took them less work than for 155 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: rowing the seed by hand. I don't. I don't think 156 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: your assessment of that is correct. And I think probably, 157 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: having you know, worked for money for more than twenty 158 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: years at this point, I know for sure when a 159 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: boss has come to give me a task that was 160 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: a complete pain and a big time suck to do, 161 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: if that same boss came back to tell me to 162 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: do the same task, uh, regardless of the fact that 163 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: it had been a huge time suck in a pain, 164 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: I also would have been frustrated Jethro Tell would probably 165 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: say I was balking just to spite him, when really 166 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I was saying, no, this is this is way more work, dude. Yeah, 167 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: I mean all of his um feelings about his workers 168 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: just kind of give me the no thank you sir. Yeah, 169 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't like it. Um. There have been 170 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: other episodes where like the historiography involved in a historical thing, 171 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: like I've been able to sort of sort of better 172 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: trace how that progressed. My general sense is that there 173 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: was a time when Jethrow Tell was sort of like 174 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: held up as this example of British ingenuity who had 175 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: invented the seed drill that was an immediate success, and 176 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: all of his husband dry methods were a revolutionary to 177 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: British agriculture. And it's like some of those things are 178 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: they have a grain of truth in them. He did 179 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: make a seed drill, he wasn't the first person on 180 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Earth ever to use one. Apparently, his instructions for building 181 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: one were so complicated that he took them out of 182 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: one of the additions of the book because he was like, 183 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: if anybody tries to follow these instructions, this is not 184 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: gonna work. And they're just gonna be mad at me. Uh. 185 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: And it's been in more recent years that people have 186 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: been more like Jethrow Tull was kind of a crackpot. Yeah, okay, 187 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: we have to talk about the mouths. Okay, Yeah, Never 188 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: has the word mouth started to feel so weird and 189 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: uncomfortable to me? And was thinking about it on the 190 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: ends of roots. It reminded me so much of animal fuels, sure, 191 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: and that whole um other strange story. Yeah, of thinking 192 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: you know that tiny things worked in a way that 193 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: they did not. M hmm. Yeah. I have so many 194 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: questions that I cannot ever have answered about how he 195 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: landed at root mouths? How did how do you think 196 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: plants move these root mouths? Exactly? Um? And so the 197 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Horsehoeing Husbandry is like four something pages long. So thoroughly 198 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: reading a four hundred and something page long book, especially 199 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: because it has long essays in it. And I have 200 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: said but or I enjoy reading things with long s 201 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: is in them. But after the last uh, working on 202 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: this and working on platypuses, I'm a little burned out 203 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: on figuring out what the long sas are supposed to be, 204 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: whether they are an F or an s Uh. So 205 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: it's possible that he elucidated more somewhere in that book 206 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: about exactly what these mouths look like, but I don't 207 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: think he did, And so I'm not sure if he 208 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: was sort of envisioning this as more like a poor, 209 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: like a poor in the root, or whether he was 210 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: really thinking like a little mouth with a little tiny teeth, 211 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: like a little like if you had medusa hair with 212 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: little snake mouths on the ends of the roots that 213 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: were nana eating, eating the little soil particles. That's just 214 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: not how it works. So that is also a thing 215 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: that feels a little like child logic to me, like 216 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: if you think that your roots are munching on little 217 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: pieces of dirt. See, I think of it not so 218 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: much as child logic as I do the fancy of 219 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: someone who is extremely confident and has never been questioned 220 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: by someone he respected. Sure, of course it's animal mouse, 221 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: what else? What else could be happening with roots? Of course, 222 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: that's what it is. The finer you make the dirt, 223 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: the easier the root mouth can eat, it can slurp 224 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: it right in. It's not it's not how it works. 225 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I found one volume of Switzer's for buttles, 226 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: and I think there were just so many gems in 227 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: it of him just basically destroying everything he thought was 228 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: strong about jethroats all. Uh. It was all a pleasure 229 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: to read, except I did get tired of puzzling out 230 00:15:52,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: the long esses. Yeah, I um. I wish that there 231 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: were some way to figure out how many of his 232 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: claims regarding his success were FIBs. Oh yeah, I wish 233 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: there were a way to go back and like sift 234 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: through the land he lived on and be like, no, 235 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: we have evidence that wheat crop number seven was a 236 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: train wreck. I don't know what you think of thirteen 237 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: years equals, but that's not accurate. Remember when you plowed 238 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: that whole crop under because it failed? That might right, 239 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: just making that up? That's not a thing, Yeah, it's yeah. 240 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: I I have lots of questions I'll say about how successful. 241 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: Like he had some pretty high file, high profile supporters. 242 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: He thought he was for sure onto something, but his 243 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: detractors were also very vocal. Jethro Toll, may you rest 244 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: in peace. That's the nicest thing I can say about it. Yeah, 245 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: I hope your workers had someone who was less of 246 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: a jerk. Uh. Uh, If you would like to send 247 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: us a note for history podcast at i heart radio 248 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: dot com. 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