Speaker 1: Uncle Pete just laid the fish next to her on
Speaker 1: a flat surface and put a yard stick between them.
Speaker 1: I just feel like bass guys and while guys butt heads,
Speaker 1: what activity were most people doing when an unprovoked attack occurred?
Speaker 1: A windsurfing dude looks like Burt Reynolds, trout and baby dealers.
Speaker 1: Good morning to generate anglers, and welcome to Bent, the
Speaker 1: fishing podcast that always sends a friend to check ice
Speaker 1: thickness before getting out of the heated trout. I'm Joe
Speaker 1: Surmelli and I made and set back and yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that is it two or early to start with a Yeah? Man, no,
Speaker 1: it's never too early to start with that is what
Speaker 1: you would do. Man, it is, it is, and I
Speaker 1: have I have. I feel like now that I brought
Speaker 1: it up, shout out to my old buddy Frank Heater,
Speaker 1: who is likely not listening. I'm almost certain he's not. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like years ago, we ventured out to a local pond
Speaker 1: that nobody had been fishing and stood there and debated
Speaker 1: who was going to go check, and eventually we landed
Speaker 1: on him. There might have been money involved, and he
Speaker 1: walked all the way out to the Middle Sands issue
Speaker 1: made like two full turns of the auger and it
Speaker 1: just punched. And he just looks up with concern and
Speaker 1: goes about an inch and a half as the ice
Speaker 1: spider cracked in every direction and I just said, well,
Speaker 1: you should probably come back, man, And he didn't survive,
Speaker 1: and then we knew we couldn't ice fish there that day,
Speaker 1: so that worked out, you know. Yeah. I mean, unless
Speaker 1: you're like when we're talking about ice fishing on the
Speaker 1: East coast, unless you're up pretty like northerly, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a ice fishing tends to be. Uh, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get a couple of weeks of really good ice down
Speaker 1: where you are. I mean, it's it's not even that,
Speaker 1: it's just no, it's certainly not a guarantee directly where
Speaker 1: I live. And remember I leave in like a weird zone. Um,
Speaker 1: we haven't really had good ice right here in a
Speaker 1: few years now. And if you're ever watching the Weather
Speaker 1: Channel and hear them say, because you lived here, you
Speaker 1: knew this. The rain snow line is going to fall
Speaker 1: right along the corridor between Philly and New York. That's
Speaker 1: where I live, directly on the corridors. So right now
Speaker 1: at the time of this recording. UM. Safe ice, so
Speaker 1: I'm told, is a is a few hours north, probably
Speaker 1: about two hours north. All we have here is skim
Speaker 1: ice I don't know, maybe maybe a half an inch,
Speaker 1: but looking at the long term temps, that could change quickly.
Speaker 1: And I heard your old stomping grounds in far northeast
Speaker 1: p a uh there there they have good ice at
Speaker 1: least on some of the smaller water, but that's only
Speaker 1: as of recently this season. It hasn't been that way
Speaker 1: for months or anything like that. Yeah, it was always
Speaker 1: like you would never really know how your ice fishing
Speaker 1: plans would pan out. Maybe you could get a covert tube.
Speaker 1: It seems like as late the lake would never just
Speaker 1: freeze all the way solid, especially the bigger waters like
Speaker 1: like Lake Wall and Paul Pack up there. I've I've
Speaker 1: done some ice fishing on Round Valley Reservoir in Jersey too,
Speaker 1: and every time I've done that, you are you are
Speaker 1: stuck in one cove. It's not nearly frozen all the
Speaker 1: way over. Um, But I don't know. I might be
Speaker 1: making a little run up up to your old stomping
Speaker 1: grounds very soon. Up to Wayne County. There's also loose
Speaker 1: talk with some buds about a little soare uh to
Speaker 1: Lake George in New York. The funny thing is that
Speaker 1: I gotta say what I really want is good, true
Speaker 1: local ice because when you get it right, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, the fishing tends to be
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Because the fish around here where I
Speaker 1: live have been largely unpressured since the fall. It's not
Speaker 1: a smooth transition like in the Midwest where you just
Speaker 1: go from fall open water to boom. Now we're on
Speaker 1: the ice. Um, So the fish here haven't really been
Speaker 1: been beat on. So if it does lock up, your
Speaker 1: your over unpressured fish. Um. And there's just not a
Speaker 1: ton of ice guys in my immediate area, but there
Speaker 1: are I know plenty in Bozeman. You never have to
Speaker 1: worry about local waters not locking up, which is what
Speaker 1: has allowed you to do a thing recently. What is
Speaker 1: the thing you've done? Last week? It was, Wally, what
Speaker 1: have you done? Now? Well, how about we play a
Speaker 1: clip dude a butter Wow? That's wow? Yes, sir, you
Speaker 1: one up me. That's what you did? You want up me?
Speaker 1: On a species, I recently said, I've never caught a bourbon,
Speaker 1: but I'm very intrigued by them, and lo and behold
Speaker 1: over the weekend, here comes a text from Hayden with
Speaker 1: a bourbon, and a lot of folks have reached out
Speaker 1: to me about that, having not caught one. So now
Speaker 1: here we are together, let's talk fight. I know nothing
Speaker 1: about them other than they're a freshwater cod. How was
Speaker 1: the brawl? So when I sent you that initial text
Speaker 1: with like the picture of the bourbon, had described them
Speaker 1: to you as a sporty catfish, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: exactly how I think about him. I felt like reeling
Speaker 1: up a channel cat through the ice. Man. It had
Speaker 1: like those kind of like half runs, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like those little kind of like bulldog e things.
Speaker 1: It's not like a rainbow or or like a lake
Speaker 1: or where like strip line and like just go. It
Speaker 1: was very much a coming up going down, coming up,
Speaker 1: going down, you know. So that's what I'm looking for, right,
Speaker 1: because so many things through the ice, right, they do
Speaker 1: tend to come up quicker, like even large mouth and things,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the tip up line or a jig
Speaker 1: or whatever. I feel like a lot of times in
Speaker 1: that colder water, like the hit will be strong, but
Speaker 1: then the fish doesn't give you a ton unless you're
Speaker 1: talking about big fish like a lake or something. So
Speaker 1: that's what I was driving out, like did they make
Speaker 1: you work for it? Yeah, they definitely do. And it
Speaker 1: was interesting. You know, I want to like shout out
Speaker 1: thirteen fishing real quick, because the reservoir that we were
Speaker 1: in has a bunch of trouting it. I had the
Speaker 1: rather I used for bourbon, and I had the rod
Speaker 1: that I wanted to use for trout, and I had
Speaker 1: ended up deciding that me and my buddy we were
Speaker 1: going to sleep out on the ice and try and
Speaker 1: get that real like late night bite. And the rod
Speaker 1: that I wanted to use for bourbon was just a
Speaker 1: little bit too long to be comfortable like in the
Speaker 1: shanty set up that we had going. So I ended
Speaker 1: up using the rod that I wanted to use for trout,
Speaker 1: which was a lighter rod. I was really surprised, like
Speaker 1: the backbone that that thing had coupled with like the sensitivity,
Speaker 1: because the way that we were doing it is he
Speaker 1: was on one side of the shanty just like pulp
Speaker 1: pounding with like a big heavy jig to kind of
Speaker 1: bring him around, and I was dead stick in a
Speaker 1: chunk of a chunk of sucker meat and just watching
Speaker 1: the rod tip um, I saw the bite, really faint
Speaker 1: bite got on the rod, blasted this fish. And when
Speaker 1: I set the hook immediately, I was like you know,
Speaker 1: you when when when your ice fish and trout you
Speaker 1: at the hook, but they tend to come up with it.
Speaker 1: Now like a bourbon that's like six pounds or so,
Speaker 1: I mean, that thing stays kind of tight. But man,
Speaker 1: I popped this hook into this thing and followed them
Speaker 1: all the way up. You know, I'll probably post a
Speaker 1: video of the fight on the Instagram so y'all can
Speaker 1: see that in action if you're curious. I'm going to
Speaker 1: make one of those little safe stories there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: right on, Well, did I tell you what, even even
Speaker 1: like saltwater cod, you know, like there are a cold
Speaker 1: water fish do when you sting one deep on a
Speaker 1: jig or something. Yeah, they don't. They don't want to
Speaker 1: come up right away, like you know, you know you
Speaker 1: got something there. So that's cool, man. And since we're
Speaker 1: talking ice and you were just talking thirteen fishing, let's
Speaker 1: keep that party train rolling. We're going to jump into
Speaker 1: smooth moves our segment where we let captains and guides
Speaker 1: bitch about ridiculous things clients have done. Though today we
Speaker 1: haven't a captain nor a guide, but young Ben Schumann,
Speaker 1: one of the members of thirteen Fishings ice team. Why
Speaker 1: why did you? Oh my god? So joining us for
Speaker 1: smooth moves today is Ben Schuman? Now you are you
Speaker 1: are not a guide? Correct? No, I am not. You
Speaker 1: are not, but you are part of the thirteen Fishing Team,
Speaker 1: which we brought you here. And now what they've told
Speaker 1: us is that you are you are one of their
Speaker 1: ice guys. Specifically, is that accurate? Yes? Yea Minnesotan. Minnesotan, Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good. Now what what they've also told me is
Speaker 1: that you are one half of what they referred to
Speaker 1: as the Bourbon Brothers. The Bourbon Brothers. I wish I
Speaker 1: was part of that. Why would they Why would they
Speaker 1: say that? I figured because I was looking at your
Speaker 1: your Instagram and some of your other stuff and I
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of bourbon. Why why would they
Speaker 1: say that? So? Probably because so Sam More. Samore's really
Speaker 1: popular videographer and basically him and a buddy tyler of mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's filmed a couple of videos
Speaker 1: of catching a bunch of bourbon and maybe, like Reid thought,
Speaker 1: I was I was with them on that or something.
Speaker 1: But all right, well thank you for coming on, Ben
Speaker 1: nixs the bourbon questions. No, man, just just kidding um.
Speaker 1: But so I read now tell me what this is
Speaker 1: because you were recently hyping this on social media. You
Speaker 1: are also one half CEO of the bass Mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is the bass Mobile? So basically I worked for
Speaker 1: Ketchko and they sent my buddy Tyl and I out
Speaker 1: on the road. Last this is Tyler Brick right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who is also one of thirteen guys. Yes, got you
Speaker 1: on the border brothers. Your last name was Mortar. That's
Speaker 1: very that's true. So I'm sorry that bass mobile. So basically,
Speaker 1: catch COO sent us out in the Basstmobile. They created
Speaker 1: this and they sent us out on the road last
Speaker 1: year for about I think it was like five months,
Speaker 1: and we just went like all over the country and
Speaker 1: just went to like fairs, kids, school rules, We went
Speaker 1: to like fishing events, and basically our main thing was
Speaker 1: to try and rescue people from the indoors and just
Speaker 1: people get people excited about fishing. It was like a
Speaker 1: takeover where you like you literally run in and snatch
Speaker 1: them and throw them in the basket mobile and get
Speaker 1: them outside. No, that's a good idea, but I mean
Speaker 1: probably getting a little trouble trying to do that. But
Speaker 1: in some states, you know, maybe not so much. No,
Speaker 1: that's cool though, man, So okay, so then we've clarified.
Speaker 1: Now if you're if you're not a bourbon brother, because
Speaker 1: you're a hardcore bourbon angler, Like, do you have a
Speaker 1: thing on the ice that is like your favorite your
Speaker 1: go to My favorite thing to fish for on the
Speaker 1: ice is probably i'd say definitely crapp ease or you
Speaker 1: didn't say walleyes. So I like that. No, honestly, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people will get bad. They won't. I
Speaker 1: won't bring it. I'm not a big walleye guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Like, man, why if I'm not in Canada,
Speaker 1: there's no point in fishing for walleyes? Is it like?
Speaker 1: Is it like? Is it like a number of things?
Speaker 1: It's just like, well, just just so darn. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel when I go back to Uh. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously they're like hallowed grounds for trout in Pennsylvania, but
Speaker 1: living in Montana, now when I go back to the
Speaker 1: East Coast, I have no desire to fish for trout.
Speaker 1: Is it like a similar thing, It's just you've experienced it.
Speaker 1: It's such a level that it's just it's not comparable.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I've just always been like a
Speaker 1: bass guy, and I just feel like bass guys and
Speaker 1: walleye guys butt heads. So I'm like, I just kind
Speaker 1: of stick to my bath basically. Yeah, just like the
Speaker 1: picture you got earlier. Yeah, right, right right. So, I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen some of these giant crop ease on
Speaker 1: your social media, and I think that's interesting. I feel
Speaker 1: like I've all like the most popular ice targets if
Speaker 1: you break down the country. I know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people um crappy fish through the ice, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it takes a back seat to your
Speaker 1: yellow perch and walleye and lake trout. Um, what's what's
Speaker 1: what's different? Because even though we're here for a smooth
Speaker 1: moves like we're gonna learn something, damnit and pump you
Speaker 1: for some information. So like for the guy that that's
Speaker 1: looking for the slab croppies through the ice, and you
Speaker 1: certainly catch them like in a nutshell I'm sure you
Speaker 1: could write a book, But what's different about that approach
Speaker 1: verse jigging perch or Walleye or something like that. Wal
Speaker 1: what what's different? I'm just trying to think of like
Speaker 1: like things that I could really like highlight that's different
Speaker 1: from what about like structure. You know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of folks. Basically when I'm like searching for crappys,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for places that have like sandy or muddy
Speaker 1: bottoms and then with with crappy fish, and I feel
Speaker 1: like you just get into a basin. And what I
Speaker 1: like to do when I'm with Buddy is whether it's
Speaker 1: a group of guys are just like myself and one
Speaker 1: other dude, drill a bunch of hole as like as
Speaker 1: many as you can and just start hopping around in
Speaker 1: that basin. And and basically what I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if people don't really know what a basin is, it's
Speaker 1: just a pocket of deep water, uh in a lake.
Speaker 1: So if there's like a drop off or something and
Speaker 1: it's just like a it's a it's a It's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to explain, honestly, But if people like looked
Speaker 1: up like basin and no, no, no, no, no, we
Speaker 1: got we got the basin. But I think I think
Speaker 1: it's like it's not a lazy man's ice fishery, Like
Speaker 1: you need to drill and move around down and then
Speaker 1: I imagine like even with open wood crappy, you find
Speaker 1: one or two found the pile, right yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's it is hard because the fisher get finicky.
Speaker 1: The pressure will be weird and and the fish will
Speaker 1: either be running from you and they'll hear you drilling
Speaker 1: up on top of the ice and they're gone. You'll
Speaker 1: have days like that, well you'll you'll be drilling and
Speaker 1: you're not gonna catch anything all day. Yeah. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never done pies, but I've had a similar experience with
Speaker 1: white perch up in New Hampshire. Same deal. It's like
Speaker 1: you were either it was total feast or famine and
Speaker 1: by day you would attract them all or you drill
Speaker 1: and mark some and then they were just they would
Speaker 1: just disappear. That's the thing. One one week they're on
Speaker 1: a feeding frenzy. They'll bite whatever you throw down there,
Speaker 1: and then you go out there the next day and
Speaker 1: you're you're getting skunked. Yeah, but generally speaking that's way
Speaker 1: more exciting to you than walleye fishing. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the thing is with like walleye fishing, like you'll go out,
Speaker 1: like I guess I've never really like went out and
Speaker 1: did like a hardcore like targeting walleye when I'm ice fishing,
Speaker 1: so like, I feel like just every once in a
Speaker 1: while you'll get like your rattle reel to go off
Speaker 1: when you're sleeping in a house or something like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's that's pretty cool. But I'm like, what Hayden.
Speaker 1: Hayden just caught his first walleye through the ice. He's
Speaker 1: been talking about it for a week and a half,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, it's the best part about that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, my buddy's Sam Lunger and took some photos
Speaker 1: of me like just cheesing with his wallene holding up
Speaker 1: a thirteen fish and rig. But that wall is about
Speaker 1: ten and a half twelve inches long. It's not even
Speaker 1: like it's not even like a stud wall eye. It's
Speaker 1: like one of the ones that you look at you going,
Speaker 1: that's perfect eater, you know. Yeah, yeah, it can be fun,
Speaker 1: like catching those wallyne stuff to the ice, but I
Speaker 1: feel like it doesn't get fun until you start catching
Speaker 1: the big ones. Yeah. Yeah, so we know a little
Speaker 1: bit about who you are what you do, man, but
Speaker 1: we brought you here for smooth moves. So as we said,
Speaker 1: you're you're not a guy, but you uh, you spend
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of time on the water,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't have to be ice, can be open water, whatever.
Speaker 1: But basically, man like hit us with the most ridiculous,
Speaker 1: funny insane could have happened to you, could have happened
Speaker 1: to somebody else. Story, Um from from all this time
Speaker 1: you get to spend on the water and out there
Speaker 1: on the road. Yea, So there was I guess I
Speaker 1: could probably go over a couple of things that have
Speaker 1: had from to me over the years. But last year,
Speaker 1: I think it was last year or maybe the year before,
Speaker 1: Tyler Brick and I actually we went out onto this
Speaker 1: lake and it was right about that time where it's
Speaker 1: like kind of if you whether you should drive out
Speaker 1: or not. It's kind of like, what's not what do
Speaker 1: they say it's not if they say about a foot?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It's different in in everybody's eyes,
Speaker 1: because you'll see guys going out there when they should
Speaker 1: not be driving out like people are crazy, man. But
Speaker 1: basically we get to this lake and you could literally
Speaker 1: see where a vehicle had gone through, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking like this is just stupid, Like what the
Speaker 1: hell is wrong with us? Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: ice fishermen just have something wrong with them, we're just crazy,
Speaker 1: like yeah, But basically, we get to this lake and
Speaker 1: see like somebody went through, and so I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna drive out, We're gonna try to make
Speaker 1: it work. And so I just told her. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of the vehicle and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: watch what happens, because like if he goes through, then
Speaker 1: I gotta be like sitting there ready to call somebody
Speaker 1: to come and freaking rescue us. So I get out
Speaker 1: of the car. I think I think scissors that or
Speaker 1: something like it was his vehicle, man. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, just leave, leave your window rolled down,
Speaker 1: keep the seat. He felt unbuckled, and he'll be good.
Speaker 1: But basically I'm like, all right, just just gun it,
Speaker 1: like you'll be fine. And I think We're like one
Speaker 1: of the only vehicles that was going out there. So
Speaker 1: I'm like gosh, dude, this is is risky. But so
Speaker 1: he went down and he hammered it and his back
Speaker 1: end started dropping into the into the water breaking through.
Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting there like and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: that deep of water, but still like you're in a
Speaker 1: into a panic because if you if you drop into
Speaker 1: the water, water, like you don't have long to to live.
Speaker 1: We'll hit you so fast once you hit that cold water.
Speaker 1: And and I'm just sitting there freaking out, and I've
Speaker 1: got all these like scenarios going through my head, like
Speaker 1: oh my god, like I'm gonna have to call Tyler's
Speaker 1: parents and and let him know like we went through
Speaker 1: the ice or he went through the ice, and I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there freaking out, like holy hell, he was
Speaker 1: just hammered on it and four wheel drive and somehow
Speaker 1: just popped out of there and somehow he had to
Speaker 1: get back. That's what I was gonna say. So wait, so,
Speaker 1: so the way I envisioned this right, tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. You have the thinner ice on the shallower
Speaker 1: edge of the lake, and you guys knew that if
Speaker 1: you could just get kind of over that obstacle, the
Speaker 1: ice out in the middle was probably okay, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ice out in the middle was pretty good. Right,
Speaker 1: But then that was my question. It's like, well, great,
Speaker 1: he gunned and got out, now he's got to come back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so like with the entrance to this lake, it's
Speaker 1: pretty small. So like what he broke through was more
Speaker 1: than half of the path that you're supposed to drive on.
Speaker 1: And so we're sitting there like on the edge here
Speaker 1: is like a bunch of like brush and and I
Speaker 1: don't like cat tails and stuff, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: no freaking way he's getting back, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: he's getting how he's getting his vehicle out of there.
Speaker 1: But then he just went out, turned around and he
Speaker 1: just gunned it and shot through just these piles of
Speaker 1: just brush and stuff and somehow got got his vehicle
Speaker 1: through there. So he so he didn't come like through
Speaker 1: the path you're supposed to. He just went like totally
Speaker 1: into the woods. Oh yeah, he was basically like off roading.
Speaker 1: But thank god he's got a So thank god he
Speaker 1: had that. And well man, that that never would have
Speaker 1: happened with our partners, Chevy Silverado. You could edit that out. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's all good man. So well, here's a question though, So,
Speaker 1: so he popped out, he got through, Did you guys
Speaker 1: go out and fish and then worry about getting back
Speaker 1: later or was it sketchy enough where you were like
Speaker 1: it was it was sketchy enough. Well, the dumb thing
Speaker 1: was we were waiting for buddies that had a four
Speaker 1: wheeler and I was like, I think we could probably
Speaker 1: make it, and he does that, and then after like
Speaker 1: he broke through, he's like, now we're getting off, and
Speaker 1: then we went out fishing after that, so got okay.
Speaker 1: So basically that was completely unnecessary to even risk it, right, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: completely unnecessary. Here's my wor here's my question is how
Speaker 1: far away was the spot that you were intending to fish? Oh?
Speaker 1: Probably about a mile? The things that we will do
Speaker 1: in order not to walk a mile. Yeah, oh I know,
Speaker 1: I know, man, it's ridiculous. Well, yeah, that all turned
Speaker 1: out well though, that's what matters. Yes, yes, but it
Speaker 1: was it was scary, man, not gonna lie, It was
Speaker 1: a scary one. Have you ever seen a truck go
Speaker 1: go completely through while you've been out there? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a truck go through, but like when I've been
Speaker 1: driving out on the ice, I've seen like trucks in
Speaker 1: in the water like that that had gone through. I
Speaker 1: always think about that. I mean, having it happen is
Speaker 1: one thing. Hopefully everybody comes out of that safely, But
Speaker 1: then there's sort of the like what's the protocol on
Speaker 1: the aftermath? And the only thing I can I can
Speaker 1: I can relate it to is driving on sand out here. Right.
Speaker 1: I've buried a couple of trucks because I got too
Speaker 1: close to the water's edge and you get that real
Speaker 1: sugary sand if you hit it too hard, you know,
Speaker 1: bog the back end down. Yeah, and man, it cost
Speaker 1: me a lot of money to get the right tow
Speaker 1: truck out there before get my truck out. So you
Speaker 1: see these pictures all the time of these trucks that
Speaker 1: went through. But like then what you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I have heard that like the fines on that are ridiculous,
Speaker 1: exactly ridiculous because it's your choice to drive out onto
Speaker 1: this lake. Yes, if you go through, you got to
Speaker 1: figure it out, and you're getting fines for polluting the
Speaker 1: lake and right stuff. Yeah, I h The only experience
Speaker 1: that I have with this is uh, my buddy Chester
Speaker 1: and uh Chester Chester and myself, like there were two
Speaker 1: chesters of me and we were out hunting a farm
Speaker 1: in South Dakota and the uh, the farmer's daughter as
Speaker 1: it were. Apparently she took her truck through some spring
Speaker 1: ice and like got like okay, but if I remember right,
Speaker 1: you know, the story ended up with I think like
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars or or something something like that between
Speaker 1: like fines and calling the record because the guy wanted
Speaker 1: to just use some of his farm equipment and pull
Speaker 1: the truck out. But I think apparently they make you
Speaker 1: use a specific service or like you know, some folks
Speaker 1: are pre qualified to do that sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, like once once your cargoes through and
Speaker 1: everything I think said and done, I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: over ten dollars you've gotta pay something like that. Well
Speaker 1: that's why you gotta check the thickness of the ice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: glad that one turned out, okay, Ben, it was cool
Speaker 1: having you here, man. I also want to just mentioned
Speaker 1: the people that when we first signed on here, I
Speaker 1: noticed a bush light apple can behind you, sir. That
Speaker 1: is that stuff not fantastic, dude, It is just fantastic.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it, like especially in the summers when
Speaker 1: it's actually nice out in Minnesota. Is that like your
Speaker 1: one can you're hanging on too for later because like
Speaker 1: by the case and then you can't find it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Bush Light Apple regular bush light not so much anyway,
Speaker 1: great beer choice, great story. Look for Ben on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's Ben Outdoors, USA, right, yes, sir, Instagram. And um,
Speaker 1: next time you, you know, put a four wheel or
Speaker 1: a truck through the ice or something, we'll link back
Speaker 1: up and get that story too. That sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: Cropp ease through the ice, now, see if we'd get
Speaker 1: solid local ice. I have two spots where I could
Speaker 1: bang on some crop ease and hardly anyone uh fishes
Speaker 1: for them there and open water let alone if it
Speaker 1: ice is up. And the last time I was able
Speaker 1: to get out and drill directly over a few of
Speaker 1: the submerged trees that I know were in these ponds. Dude,
Speaker 1: like you find out very quickly there are many more
Speaker 1: big cropp ease in there than you realized. Just casting
Speaker 1: from the bank. That's that's fun stuff. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, Joe, but the first time
Speaker 1: It was about a year ago, the first time we
Speaker 1: ever tried to link up to do any sort of
Speaker 1: fishing in our long and storied history of misconnections. Uh.
Speaker 1: We we were going to go to a crappy pond
Speaker 1: that I knew of. It happened to be like like
Speaker 1: a croppy pond my buddy Molly Curran and her family own,
Speaker 1: and man, there are some slab croppy in there. I
Speaker 1: have much more experience catching bigger cropp ease in like
Speaker 1: small ponds than I big legs, like I've done it
Speaker 1: down south and stuff like that. But around here it
Speaker 1: can be this like puddle ditch and they'll be giant
Speaker 1: crop eas in it. Yeah. Well and then again, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I tried, I wanted to take you this year
Speaker 1: that I know, I know, Well, that was one of
Speaker 1: the things we discussed during here your COVID laced Christmas visit.
Speaker 1: Um doing a little ice fishing for croppies. Of course,
Speaker 1: Um they're now going back. There was zero ice out
Speaker 1: here at Christmas, so completely impossible. Which also Christmas feels
Speaker 1: like it was five months ago already. Yeah maybe you
Speaker 1: feel that way, I don't know, but you know, it
Speaker 1: feels very recent. Me losing to you in fish News
Speaker 1: last week. It still stings, and I find it unacceptable.
Speaker 1: So let's remedy that right now. Fish. That escalated quickly,
Speaker 1: if I'm a quick follow up to last week's bent
Speaker 1: helpline question, which was in a nutshell, can your kid
Speaker 1: that doesn't need a license keep up limit of fish? Um?
Speaker 1: And I I had said not that I was aware of,
Speaker 1: at least locally, but I did also say that's something
Speaker 1: that may vary state by state. UM, so maybe you
Speaker 1: should check that out in your state. And we got
Speaker 1: a bunch of notes about it that we're just sort
Speaker 1: of people weighing in on how it works where they live. UM,
Speaker 1: and I was correct, and that it does vary. It's
Speaker 1: admittedly not something that I ever really worried about, because
Speaker 1: growing up you didn't need a license to fish saltwater
Speaker 1: here at all. You still really don't in Jersey. Uh.
Speaker 1: And both as a kid and now with my own kids,
Speaker 1: nobody was ever overly concerned about keeping limits of anything
Speaker 1: except maybe trout. So I apologize for not naming everyone specifically,
Speaker 1: but to give you guys some examples. UM, we had
Speaker 1: two listeners from Wyoming reach Out and they said out there,
Speaker 1: resident kids can keep a limit, but if you come
Speaker 1: in with your kid from out of state, only the
Speaker 1: licensed angler within the state can keep a limit, which
Speaker 1: makes sense. So that was interesting. Yeah, it does make sense. Now,
Speaker 1: we had another listener from Quebec right in and tell
Speaker 1: us the way it works there is that kids don't
Speaker 1: need a license until they're twelve, I believe, But you
Speaker 1: can only keep the limit of the license holder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so see, I didn't know that we're learning together. Then
Speaker 1: someone else wrote in and said they actually posed this
Speaker 1: question to a West Virginia d n R officer after
Speaker 1: the show, and he said, in West Virginia, resident kids
Speaker 1: are allowed to keep their limit if they are actively fishing, right, So,
Speaker 1: like we mentioned in last week's episode, if your kids
Speaker 1: in the woods are flipping rocks or climbing a tree,
Speaker 1: he or she is not really fishing. Now, granted, that
Speaker 1: would be a very hard thing to prove, right unless
Speaker 1: an officer and authority was like observing, you know, with
Speaker 1: binos for a while or whatever. But still that's the
Speaker 1: rule in West Virginia. I would bet that's the rule
Speaker 1: in other states as well, probably, But I think the
Speaker 1: most interesting note came in from listener Garrett Guthrie, who wrote,
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you two's verdict about a kid's limit,
Speaker 1: but I cringed at the thought of their seventy five
Speaker 1: gills in the same cooler representing three limits. In my state, Illinois,
Speaker 1: limits need to be separated by a physical means. In
Speaker 1: Evans case, Evan is the guy who submitted the question.
Speaker 1: He is one dent in the right keeping seventy five gills,
Speaker 1: but he's flirting with disaster keeping them all together. And
Speaker 1: you know, John, until Garrett brought this up, I'd never
Speaker 1: even considered it, you know, And I'm going to openly
Speaker 1: admit that I hadn't either. And and this may be
Speaker 1: a state by state deal to you know what. You know,
Speaker 1: what's interesting like and it's got to be like a
Speaker 1: fish specific thing because you think about any Instagram post
Speaker 1: you've seen of like a duck outfitter. Do you ever
Speaker 1: see those limits separated or is it in one big Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I could take that. I can also point
Speaker 1: to the kill shots at Marina's where there's thirty five
Speaker 1: fish hang it on a board nailed up with the charter. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I what I do think I'm actually glad that
Speaker 1: Garrett brought this up. I think it's a good example
Speaker 1: of a rule that many of us may not be
Speaker 1: aware of that theoretically could lead you to trouble if
Speaker 1: if you're unaware of it. Um, you know again, like
Speaker 1: thinking back, I had my trout stringer and my dad
Speaker 1: had had his when I was growing up. But when
Speaker 1: we got back to the car, they all went in
Speaker 1: the same cooler. Man, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you never thought anything of that. You know, I do
Speaker 1: a ton of saltwater fishing. It all goes in the
Speaker 1: same fish box while you're out there and you figure
Speaker 1: it out later. Um. Now, I've never heard of anyone
Speaker 1: getting pinched for that locally. But it it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not the rule, right, So I'm gonna look into
Speaker 1: that because now I'm curious. But you know, if I
Speaker 1: took my son crappie fishing, say, and we legit each
Speaker 1: caught a limit, I would have put them in the
Speaker 1: same cooler, especially if we were on a boat, right,
Speaker 1: Because have you ever been on a boat where you know,
Speaker 1: each guy brings his own cooler for this purpose to
Speaker 1: separate limits. I've never seen. That doesn't mean it's not
Speaker 1: the rule, but I've never seen that, so I was
Speaker 1: interested by Garrett Snow. Yeah, when when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, trout fishing, my dad and I also each
Speaker 1: had our separate stringer. I think that was mostly just
Speaker 1: so my dad could flex on me when we were
Speaker 1: walking out or yeah. Man, yeah, the chain stringers so
Speaker 1: it jangled when you lifted him out of the water.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew how many were on there. It took at
Speaker 1: least four to make it rattle, you know. Yeah. Well anyway, hey, Garrett,
Speaker 1: thank you for making us more aware of this. Also,
Speaker 1: here's where we make you aware that this is a competition.
Speaker 1: Joe and I do not know like that. Yes, Joe
Speaker 1: and I do not know which news story the other
Speaker 1: guy grabbed. And at the end of all this, our
Speaker 1: audio engineer, the wonderful, the beloved, the butter but whimsical,
Speaker 1: admirable Phil Taylor, will reach his limit of bullshit regarding
Speaker 1: one story and declare the other guy the winner. Joe,
Speaker 1: it is your lead. It is so. I was already
Speaker 1: pretty convinced right that Google and my phone we're listening.
Speaker 1: But now I know, right, big brother had to have
Speaker 1: been listening to our chat with Ben about about his
Speaker 1: boy's truck that nearly ended up going through the ice.
Speaker 1: Because this story popped up and it actually answers questions
Speaker 1: we had hinted at in this week's smooth Moves. So
Speaker 1: how wonderful. And this comes from Madison dot com and
Speaker 1: it's a profile piece of Mr Don Herman. Now, Herman
Speaker 1: is a lifelong member of the Otter Street Fishing Club
Speaker 1: up on Lake Winnebago. Now I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: I need to explain that the Winnebago is a major
Speaker 1: ice fishing destination, right and while there are plenty of
Speaker 1: anglers out there chasing perch and walleye already, um, you know,
Speaker 1: when when sturgeon season opens up in February, they've got
Speaker 1: some big tournaments coming up, traffic is only going to increase.
Speaker 1: But as I understand it, thus far this season, the
Speaker 1: the ice on Winnebago has been a bit jankie. So
Speaker 1: according to this story, you need sixteen inches to safely
Speaker 1: drive a car or truck out. And at the time
Speaker 1: the story was written, which was only a few days
Speaker 1: ago last week, late last week, Herman was finding thirteen
Speaker 1: inches in one spot and as little as eight relatively
Speaker 1: close by. And what he is is he's kind of
Speaker 1: a hired gun, sort of voluntary hired gun ice safety officer.
Speaker 1: And what he does is he drives around in his
Speaker 1: a TV and monitors and when necessary, uh, installs metal
Speaker 1: bridges over expansion cracks and stuff. Yeah, And he'll move
Speaker 1: these these structures and bridges as necessary, and he even
Speaker 1: uses old Christmas trees to mark them to sort of
Speaker 1: create like a sort of a buoy system kind of
Speaker 1: like boats would find on the Intracoastal Waterway, which is
Speaker 1: is very cool and useful because so many people fish there. Uh.
Speaker 1: In fact, in the story, year old angler Jason Math
Speaker 1: was quoted on the day the news team was there
Speaker 1: to hang out with Herman, and he very much appreciates
Speaker 1: his services because, as he put it, the ice is rough.
Speaker 1: This crack, which was the one Herman was was bridging
Speaker 1: during the story, said it opened from two inches last
Speaker 1: night to about a foot today. Right, Yeah, so pretty
Speaker 1: pretty cool service. Now, as as I understand it, um
Speaker 1: Herman's ice safety work, he's all voluntary, but he also
Speaker 1: has a side gig geared toward folks that don't take
Speaker 1: ice safety as seriously. This is directly from the story.
Speaker 1: His business, which is called sunk question Mark Dive and
Speaker 1: Ice Service, retrieves cars, trucks, snowmobiles, and ice shacks that
Speaker 1: have plunged through the ice and into the depths of
Speaker 1: a lake or river. In warmer months, he has pulled
Speaker 1: out sunken boats, cars that have slid down boat ramps,
Speaker 1: and crashed planes and helicopters. He's waiting to remove a
Speaker 1: tractor from thirty ft of water in Lake Lucerne near Watoma,
Speaker 1: and we'll use a tow truck that weighs about four
Speaker 1: thousand pounds, significantly less than most. Herman typically does about
Speaker 1: twenty jobs each winter within a two hour radius of Oshkosh,
Speaker 1: although one year he pulled more than seventy vehicles out
Speaker 1: of the drinks of Wisconsin. In another year, he pulled
Speaker 1: a car out of a hundred and twenty five ft
Speaker 1: of water and green Lake. Now, how much do you
Speaker 1: think Herman charges per hour for this service? This is
Speaker 1: the tie back to Ben's story. I remember it being
Speaker 1: what I thought of is astronomically expensive. Um, the whole
Speaker 1: ordeal would cost you just a ship ton of money. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I do not know take Okay, so we said
Speaker 1: it was like ten thousand dollars we thought to get
Speaker 1: one out after fines. I have no idea how much
Speaker 1: of those fines were. I imagine it's pretty expensive. Let's
Speaker 1: say five hundred bucks an hour, one thousand dollars an hour,
Speaker 1: and that's not including any fines or anything else that
Speaker 1: that you rack up because of of your your your
Speaker 1: little mishap there with your truck or car snowmobile going
Speaker 1: through Herman gets one thousand dollars an hour and says
Speaker 1: a job can take three or to four hours or
Speaker 1: more depending on the circumstances. Good insurance may or may
Speaker 1: not cover the expense, right, no kidding, It all depends
Speaker 1: on the policy. Now, dude, I mean a thousand bucks
Speaker 1: an hour, I am in the wrong business. That's like,
Speaker 1: that's like baring sea crabbing rates right there. Um, But
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but we we talked with Ben about
Speaker 1: the fines and the salvage for losing the truck through
Speaker 1: the ice. There you go, right, So it'll cost you
Speaker 1: and and no doubt people will pay because as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: we were talking to Ben, I talked about getting my
Speaker 1: truck stuck in the sand one time, and I was
Speaker 1: like twenty four years old, scared shitless because the tide
Speaker 1: was coming in. That dude came out in his record
Speaker 1: and was like, hey man, three under bucks to pull
Speaker 1: you fifteen feet and you're so like, oh, I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks. Fine, just please, just please God get
Speaker 1: me out of here right now. So, like, those are
Speaker 1: great businesses, uh, to be in. I'm also certain some
Speaker 1: of you listening in Wisconsin no of Don Herman because
Speaker 1: his nickname is Hollywood Herman. He has apparently done well
Speaker 1: posting videos of his recoveries on Facebook, in which he
Speaker 1: simultaneously gives ice condition updates. So like, imagine you're the
Speaker 1: sucker he's like all the way in. Not good. He's
Speaker 1: just winching your ship out of the lake and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh we got eighteen inches. Uh yeah, that's funny. I
Speaker 1: like that. He also apparently frequently appears um in local
Speaker 1: news reports. He also owns two bars, The Fountain and Blazers,
Speaker 1: both of which I'm sure it could be featured and
Speaker 1: that's my bar. So he sounds like a good guy
Speaker 1: to know, especially if you're worried about losing your your
Speaker 1: shanty or your snowmobile. Because like then maybe you get
Speaker 1: like the family and friends discount, you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: then it is only five hundred bucks an hour. Who knows. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: gee whiz man. I don't know if I ever told
Speaker 1: you this, but when I first moved out to Montana,
Speaker 1: my buddy chet Riddle and I we were like looking
Speaker 1: to uh, we were looking to go shoot our rifles
Speaker 1: somewhere to site him in. And it was the springtime,
Speaker 1: and I'd heard it called mud season, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really understand what that meant until we were about five.
Speaker 1: I was up a back road in his uh, in
Speaker 1: his truck, and the mud is getting superior and superier,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like doing that thing where he's
Speaker 1: like whipping the steering wheel back and forth, and both
Speaker 1: of us are like, yeah, we're in control. Next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, we're like on the side of the road
Speaker 1: and we have two wheels dipped into this crack that
Speaker 1: must have been six ft deep where water. Had just
Speaker 1: remember seeing pictures of this, he posted, Yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: just remember him down low beneath me, me up high
Speaker 1: in like those in the in the passenger seat, and
Speaker 1: just looking down at him and him going, we're we
Speaker 1: are so it's funny. It was about six to get
Speaker 1: his car out. Though it was like that. It's funny
Speaker 1: because the sand gig was actually not the worst that
Speaker 1: ever was. I did something very similar ironically while hunting
Speaker 1: in Jersey. Shout out to Collier's Mills if anybody knows
Speaker 1: where that is in Jersey, the hunting the hunting grounds there,
Speaker 1: um and it's saith. I can't tell the whole story
Speaker 1: because it's way too long and and and it'll just
Speaker 1: take up too much time. But it was in the
Speaker 1: days of brick ericson Zack Morris cell phones. I had
Speaker 1: like one dot or bar or whatever they had. The
Speaker 1: story involves my mom and then the tow truck getting
Speaker 1: stuck trying to get me. It's crazy ship. We don't
Speaker 1: have time for that. But it's a terrible feeling. It's
Speaker 1: a terrible feeling when you know, like there's nothing. When
Speaker 1: I got stuck on the beach, you know, ten different
Speaker 1: guys tried to get me out, just like popping me
Speaker 1: forward with their trucks wasn't happening. And you hit that
Speaker 1: point where you're like, this is a bad deal and
Speaker 1: either I'm losing my truck or I'm paying dearly for this,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah, And to that end, I'm actually
Speaker 1: thinking about getting a winch for my truck. But man,
Speaker 1: they just look so I think it's cooler than a
Speaker 1: than a rod vault. If that helps you out, well,
Speaker 1: please enter your password. You have one unheard message which
Speaker 1: I got got about two gowns of Primo brown shout
Speaker 1: Eggs sale. You know where to find me. End of message,
Speaker 1: Delete press seven, save deleted. Alright, Joe, So for fish
Speaker 1: news this week. Uh, this story comes from USA Today.
Speaker 1: As if it didn't already have enough going for it,
Speaker 1: Florida is once again the shark bite capital of the world.
Speaker 1: That's right, folks from Unchecked, Black Bears, two dudes on
Speaker 1: bath salts, and once again sharks. The most challenging thing
Speaker 1: about visiting Florida is avoiding not getting bit by something.
Speaker 1: Is it really Florida? Florida's like overtaken Australian junk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: While there was a dip due to pandemic shutdowns and
Speaker 1: marine recreation opportunities in sharks had a banner year in
Speaker 1: Florida had the most attacks not only in the US
Speaker 1: but worldwide. Mm. Now, Joe, I'm sure you've noticed. I've
Speaker 1: given you no real nitty gritty facts, just general statements,
Speaker 1: so it's like every other news we've done. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I have a surprise for you, Joe. We're going to
Speaker 1: unpack the nitty gritty together in this very special edition
Speaker 1: of Fish News. It's time for Hayden's Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution,
Speaker 1: Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge Quiz Show. Hayden's Jaws
Speaker 1: Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge quiz show,
Speaker 1: otherwise known as an easy way out of having to
Speaker 1: do real research about something. Okay, I'll play your game.
Speaker 1: I'll play. That's not all night. I did real research
Speaker 1: and in fact, I formulated a game show around it.
Speaker 1: So you tell me what is the easy way out? Joe? Okay,
Speaker 1: come all right, I shall do my best. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not fully sure what this quiz is yet or
Speaker 1: what this is about, but I just I just I
Speaker 1: just told you what the quiz was. Man. It's Hayden's
Speaker 1: Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge
Speaker 1: Quiz Show. Hayden's Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark
Speaker 1: Attack Trivia Challenge quiz shows you keep relling, Okay. I
Speaker 1: feel like that very clearly lines it out if not
Speaker 1: being a bit verbose. All right, yeah, come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: So Joe, you keep score of the you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll keep scoring board. Yeah, alright. So Question one, according
Speaker 1: to the International Shark Attack File, approximately, how many known
Speaker 1: species of sharks are there? Is it A one, B
Speaker 1: two hundred, C five hundred, or D eight hundred D
Speaker 1: eight hundred That is incorrect? The answer was C five hundred.
Speaker 1: There are five hundred and thirty eight known species of sharks. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's fine, Huh. I personally know three hundred more
Speaker 1: that have yet to be discovered by science. I didn't. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you don't, okay, So moving on. Uh. Of those five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight species, how many have been confirmed
Speaker 1: to have bitten a human unprovoked ten or more times?
Speaker 1: Is the answer A thirteen, B C or D one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three that is correct? The answer is
Speaker 1: A thirteen. Those species are the lemon shark, blue shark,
Speaker 1: black shark. We'll get there. These are descending order, by
Speaker 1: the way, black tip brief, oceanic, white tip, bronze whaler, spinner, hammerhead, wabigoon,
Speaker 1: sand tiger, black tip, bull tiger, and white. Because when
Speaker 1: I researched something similar for the Conway Bowman quiz, I
Speaker 1: think I think you missed mako. Nope, not a ton
Speaker 1: of more times unprovoked. Okay, all right, give you a
Speaker 1: check there, all right, all right? How many attacks were
Speaker 1: reported in Florida in is it go ahead? Is it
Speaker 1: a B fifty? See a dight one or D three million?
Speaker 1: Just in one calendar year. See. The problem with this is, like,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you think. The problem with somebody
Speaker 1: gets like nipped by a freaking bonnet head while they're
Speaker 1: in the waiting pool at the resort, Like that counts
Speaker 1: fifty b H. The answer is a. Again, there were
Speaker 1: twenty eight confirmed attacks in Florida, accounting for over half
Speaker 1: of the unprovoked shark attacks in US waters and more
Speaker 1: than a third of unprovoked shark attacks worldwide. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a pattern here. I'm always fifty percent right because so
Speaker 1: far it's always been the lowest two. It's one of
Speaker 1: the lowest two, and I'm just I'm just going from there.
Speaker 1: I don't think you understand what right means well, in
Speaker 1: my head, that's how I have worked it out, and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling myself and in everybody else's head.
Speaker 1: You are still wrong. Next question, what activity were most
Speaker 1: people doing when an unprovoked attack occurred? A windsurfing? Here,
Speaker 1: the that is not it's not even an option. A
Speaker 1: snorkeling be surfing, see swimming in low light conditions or
Speaker 1: d free diving see swimming in low light conditions. Wrong again, Joe,
Speaker 1: The answer is be surfing. Apparently, flailing around on a
Speaker 1: surfboard draws the attention of water dwelling apex predators and
Speaker 1: of shark attack victims were doing just that when they
Speaker 1: were bit. So half the people that were bit in
Speaker 1: Florida last year, we're all on a surfboard. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure it breaks down like that. You know, Florida
Speaker 1: could be outside of the average. Um, but presumably if
Speaker 1: you're gonna apply that statistic and broad strokes. Okay, alright, fascinating. Um,
Speaker 1: you know here's something else that's like interesting and on
Speaker 1: like that same kind of tip. I keep using the
Speaker 1: term unprovoked attacks, and the the differentiator obviously is like
Speaker 1: if you're feeding sharks or like harass them while you're
Speaker 1: diving or um unhooking a shark like those things are
Speaker 1: not listed in there. And interestingly, a an example of
Speaker 1: a provoked attack would also be spear fishing is considered
Speaker 1: a provoked attack. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: next question you're gonna get wrong, and they're like questions, No, no,
Speaker 1: we're coming to the end. You probably got this one right.
Speaker 1: What type of shark was implicated in the greatest number
Speaker 1: of attacks all time? Is it a the bull shark,
Speaker 1: b tiger shark, see black tip shark or d white
Speaker 1: shark the greatest number of attacks of all time in
Speaker 1: all history in the parameters of this research. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: once again, it's like a bite or an attack, like
Speaker 1: a massive attack, Like a bull shark doesn't tend to
Speaker 1: nip you like it. You know, it grabs your leg
Speaker 1: and goes to town like freaking the cousin Eddie's dog.
Speaker 1: I'm just going through the mental process here. I keep
Speaker 1: saying attack, but like it's listed as bite black tip.
Speaker 1: That is wrong, Joe, If you had paid attention to
Speaker 1: my sloppy quiz writing, I noted that the sharks that
Speaker 1: I was listing previously in like the thirteen um sharks
Speaker 1: that had bit folks ten or more times. I noted
Speaker 1: that that was in a sending order, the last of
Speaker 1: which was the white sharks. So the answer was d
Speaker 1: white sharks are responsible for three hundred and fifty four
Speaker 1: confirmed unprovoked attacks, fifty seven of which were fatal. You're
Speaker 1: doing horribly, Yeah, but like, dude, how could you said
Speaker 1: that there were There's been so many quote attacks in
Speaker 1: Florida just over the last few years, none of them
Speaker 1: were white sharks, So how can that be right? I
Speaker 1: think that that's why um Florida becoming the the shark
Speaker 1: attack capital of the world is a good news story.
Speaker 1: I do not believe that great whites have unprovoking lee
Speaker 1: attacked more people than bull sharks and little black tips
Speaker 1: and things like that. Well, you're gonna have to take
Speaker 1: that up with the International Shark Attack File and you
Speaker 1: can find them, I think at Florida State. I will
Speaker 1: send them an email, or it might be Atlantic Florida University.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those schools down in Florida. Okay,
Speaker 1: So last question, Joe, last question, and this is not
Speaker 1: a multiple choice, what was the name of the original
Speaker 1: animatronic shark in the movie Jaws. Bruce. Bruce is correct, Joe,
Speaker 1: you were two for six, which means you have a
Speaker 1: thirty three quiz. Shitty quiz I gave you. That's about
Speaker 1: one specific film you had to watch. I'm not an
Speaker 1: expert on sharks. Stats. You say you like sharks all
Speaker 1: the time. Man, I love sharks are apparently only statistics.
Speaker 1: I don't like maths. Well, Joe, uh, you know, statistics
Speaker 1: don't seem to like you either. This place has been
Speaker 1: extremely awkward. And speaking of awkward, we got an awkward
Speaker 1: photo submission that might look familiar to a few of you.
Speaker 1: If you like me, gravitate to website and social media
Speaker 1: accounts full of stupid, useless shit. Phil, you learn nothing. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not true. Despite your somewhat concerning performance during the
Speaker 1: shark quiz, Joseph Mellie, you still win this week. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking in order to create some healthy competition over there
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, I'll actually be starting my own ice recovery
Speaker 1: service as well, except I'll just charge a thousand dollars
Speaker 1: an hour to pull drunk freshman out of snow drifts
Speaker 1: and toilet bowls and Madison and please start referring to
Speaker 1: me as Hollywood fill from now on. Thank you, when
Speaker 1: did you take a picture the lab? We have not
Speaker 1: had an awkward moment in a minute. And uh, we
Speaker 1: have to thank longtime listener David Burgess for this one.
Speaker 1: It's transcendent in a way because he tells us it was.
Speaker 1: It was featured back in the day on this site,
Speaker 1: Awkward Family Photos. Now, obviously I'm a fan of that site,
Speaker 1: and Awkward Moments in Angling was modeled after it, But
Speaker 1: Awkward Family Photos is pretty o g Like that ship
Speaker 1: has been around since two thousand nine, long before all
Speaker 1: these similar Insta and and Facebook pages popped up. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of of weird ship at the
Speaker 1: thrift Store, but Awkward Family Photos it was kind of
Speaker 1: well ahead of its time, you know. Yeah. What's crazier though,
Speaker 1: is that all these years later, the person with the photo,
Speaker 1: and more importantly, the person who can give us permission
Speaker 1: to use the photo, is in fact a bent listener.
Speaker 1: What are the odds they're slim? There's slim, Hayden. But
Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened because what we've got right, it's
Speaker 1: a grip and grin of David's Uncle Pete. Now this
Speaker 1: is retro, right, this was taken in and to dive
Speaker 1: right into it. Here Uncle Pete stands in front of
Speaker 1: some classic eighties wood paneling, probably seventies wood paneling. It's
Speaker 1: probably been around even longer, which I have been really like.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, which is why I haven't taken
Speaker 1: down the same paneling that I It's the same paneling
Speaker 1: behind Uncle Pete in my finished basement. It's it's like
Speaker 1: pe green though it's terrific um and minimal water damage.
Speaker 1: So I've just left it because I think it's pretty cool. Anyhow.
Speaker 1: Uncle Pete, right, he's trim, he's a good looking feller.
Speaker 1: He's totally rocking a vintage porn mustache like Allah John Holmes,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, he might have had away with
Speaker 1: ladies because his outfit. To me, it's like straight out
Speaker 1: of urban cowboy. I could almost see you wearing this
Speaker 1: outfit now for like a night on the town in Montana.
Speaker 1: I could picture it in my mind, so could I. Man.
Speaker 1: Uncle Pete is wearing a To describe it fully, Uncle
Speaker 1: Pete is wearing a crisp blood red button down cowboy
Speaker 1: shirt with sharp contrasting black buttons, and that's tucked into
Speaker 1: some tight black jeans. And while the belt buckle was obscured,
Speaker 1: I wanted I can. I can only make out like
Speaker 1: a little bit of its design, but it's epic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's it's very hard to describe, but it's got
Speaker 1: that Native American like woven blanket look worked into like
Speaker 1: geometrical shapes like I've seen that design. I've seen this before.
Speaker 1: It's like I can't really place them, yeah, exactly. It's
Speaker 1: just very Southwestern, shall we say, And it's it's super
Speaker 1: cool anyway. In Uncle Pete's left hand right is a
Speaker 1: large rainbow trout and he's dangling it horizontally by the gills.
Speaker 1: And it is long dead, like it is long dead.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I is pure white, um, and the
Speaker 1: fish is very blotchy, like you know how the color
Speaker 1: sorts to it'll it'll fade in some spots but not
Speaker 1: in others. When a fish has just been laying on
Speaker 1: its side in the cooler for a good long while. Um,
Speaker 1: that's where this trout clearly has been. Okay, yeah, now
Speaker 1: in in stunning relief, uh, in uncle Pete's right arm
Speaker 1: is a very healthy, very much alive baby girl. Uncle
Speaker 1: Pete is supporting her around the middle, uh, under the arms,
Speaker 1: like like as if you were carrying in a bag
Speaker 1: of flower and uh, that's that's a that's a that's
Speaker 1: an approved hold. By the way, just grab him, you'll see.
Speaker 1: And she looks like surprised, you know. Shot overall between
Speaker 1: the outfit, the steeds of Uncle Pete and like the
Speaker 1: dead trout and the stunned baby, there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on here. But clearly this is a kind of like
Speaker 1: a size comparison, you know, the troud he's almost exactly
Speaker 1: the same length as the child. Yes, it's a yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say the baby's you know, a few
Speaker 1: months old, maybe as I don't know, four or five
Speaker 1: months old, maybe six, I don't know. So it's if
Speaker 1: that tells you anything, if you can picture a baby,
Speaker 1: this is a large trout. It is the same length. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just I had to laugh because, like, you know,
Speaker 1: mom is off to the side. You go and don't
Speaker 1: let that fish touch that baby, Like that's what my
Speaker 1: wife would have been saying, you know, um, but I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like this is an album cover. If
Speaker 1: I've ever seen one. This could this could easily you know,
Speaker 1: be to swap in for the Bent playlist. Um, but
Speaker 1: before we tell you some specifics that we do know
Speaker 1: about this shot, I want some rapid fire Hayden roast.
Speaker 1: This is the thing you started last awkward where where
Speaker 1: you're just like you were very good at these. We'll
Speaker 1: even up the antie Phil throw ten seconds on the clock.
Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do it like that, all right,
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Rapid fire roast? Okay? Yeah. And before
Speaker 1: we get going here, I just want to say this
Speaker 1: is not necessarily something that brings me joy. This is
Speaker 1: just part of my job description. And I apologize, full
Speaker 1: full shit. Yes, it's on the clock, Yes, and begin.
Speaker 1: Dude looks like a Tinder profile picture from the mid eighties.
Speaker 1: Dude looks like Burt Reynolds Trout and baby dealer. Dude,
Speaker 1: it looks like neither of these things he's holding belonged
Speaker 1: to him. Dudes look like he's part of some baby
Speaker 1: in Trout smuggling breaking bad prequel. Dude looks like he's
Speaker 1: involved in some sort of fish baby hostage situation. Dude
Speaker 1: looks like Joe Dirt caused playing a Southwestern Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: Dude looks like the spirit that visits bachelor's when they're
Speaker 1: thinking about settling down. That is the best one, right
Speaker 1: there was that all of them, that's all of them.
Speaker 1: That was the best one. I was gonna give it
Speaker 1: to Burt Reynolds Baby and Trout Dealer, but the last one, Bravo,
Speaker 1: well done, well done. I love this. I love this
Speaker 1: new element of awkward moments anyway. So look, here's here's
Speaker 1: the clincher. Uh. David told us he couldn't get much
Speaker 1: info on the catch, but the baby in question is
Speaker 1: his cousin Amy, and Amy says there's also a photo
Speaker 1: from the same photo shoot where Uncle Pete just laid
Speaker 1: the fish next to her on a flat surface and
Speaker 1: put a yard stick between, so the size comparison theory
Speaker 1: is correct. Um and David says. Amy didn't remember anything
Speaker 1: about how the fish was caught or where, but she
Speaker 1: knew her dad was pretty damn proud of it. So proud.
Speaker 1: She said that that dad took a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: photos of her with this fish in many different poses
Speaker 1: in scenarios, all of which ended up in her official
Speaker 1: baby album. Uh. And that my friends that is how
Speaker 1: you do it. That was fun, David, thank you for
Speaker 1: sending that along. Uh, new parents, but yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's all Yeah man, new Parents, pose your inference with
Speaker 1: dead fish and send those shots to Bent at the
Speaker 1: meatiator dot com. Best of luck making them more awkward
Speaker 1: than this shot. But you know, we've been known to
Speaker 1: be surprised. So thanks to David for sending that. And
Speaker 1: I think Joe, I think we ought to give him
Speaker 1: a slightly bigger shout out me too. Agreed. Yes, some
Speaker 1: of you may have seen his artwork if you file
Speaker 1: the Degenerate Angler or Bent podcast hashtags or the Mediator
Speaker 1: hashtag for that matter, because he's devoted like a lot
Speaker 1: of his life. Uh it seems to drawing characters slash
Speaker 1: pop art of every single person involved with Meat Eater.
Speaker 1: Yeah he has. I'm not sure if if if if
Speaker 1: David's like looking for a gig or a merge deal
Speaker 1: or what, But I mean he has. I can't, I
Speaker 1: can't even name him all. He's drawn me as the
Speaker 1: Misfits skull. He's drawn you and I fishing together while
Speaker 1: Phil looks on from a tuggy sandbox. Uh, he's drawn
Speaker 1: his interpretation of Lance v, Bob the garbage Man, Steve
Speaker 1: Yanny Cow all those guys. The list just goes on
Speaker 1: and on um. But his attention to detail is incredible,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it's wild. I noticed that in that
Speaker 1: picture that he posted of us, like on like the
Speaker 1: in the canoe or whatever. Yeah, he has gone so
Speaker 1: far as to draw the headphones that we use in
Speaker 1: the studio, like the actual ones. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how he knows we're using those headphones. He named the
Speaker 1: tuggy the pt Cruiser. You know, detail, I think I
Speaker 1: think David is actually Steve Ronella in like a bank
Speaker 1: right right. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of attention to detail, we
Speaker 1: we've got a question here in the bent helpline regarding
Speaker 1: a detail of your tackle storage. Many of you might
Speaker 1: not even consider, what do you laughing at? Martini? You're
Speaker 1: not an idiot, You're not a gambloony hell are? You're
Speaker 1: a fisherman? Best, what's your emergency? So our question this
Speaker 1: week comes via email from Ted Pelleck. I think that's
Speaker 1: how you say it, pe l e h uh. He
Speaker 1: says he's a long time listener, first time emailer. So
Speaker 1: lucky you, Ted, because your question your question made it man. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a question, right that I have heard, uh been.
Speaker 1: It's been kicked around a lot, right, There's been articles
Speaker 1: written about it, and I'm really not sure there's a
Speaker 1: definitive answer. So I think the best we can do
Speaker 1: is sort of weigh in and give our opinion and
Speaker 1: maybe a few tips. But but here's what Ted writes.
Speaker 1: He says, I have a few different bulk spools of
Speaker 1: name brand line that I've had above the work bench
Speaker 1: since sometime during the Bush Cheney administration. The economical in
Speaker 1: parentheses cheap side of me says, the line quote seems fine,
Speaker 1: and I should continue respooling my reels from those spools
Speaker 1: each year, just as I have been. The spooky side
Speaker 1: of me says, to throw that ship away and my
Speaker 1: freshly minted line so I don't end up in a
Speaker 1: self inflicted blind fit of homicidal rage because I snapped
Speaker 1: off a great fish or birds nested three reels in
Speaker 1: just one hour of fishing. All that was to tee
Speaker 1: up My question is how old is too old for line? Well,
Speaker 1: there is not a quick answer to that, because what
Speaker 1: is step one? What must be figured out first? Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing is addressing the birds nesting man like
Speaker 1: that can be well, I mean, I I want to
Speaker 1: get that out of the way, because that's like an
Speaker 1: easy solution. Um, without knowing the pound test, and I assume,
Speaker 1: like you're talking about something for like bass or like whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to assume we're working with like
Speaker 1: ten pound tests. Do you think that's like a fair assumption. Sure,
Speaker 1: we'll call it ten pound tests. Um, you could stretch
Speaker 1: that line out as you're spooling it, and it probably
Speaker 1: won't bird's nest. And I'll tell you what, if it's
Speaker 1: gonna break, you'll find out real quick doing that. So well,
Speaker 1: that's true. Line stretching is a whole other other issue,
Speaker 1: and it's important and a lot of guys don't do it.
Speaker 1: But we'll we'll save that for later. When I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, the most important thing to figure out right
Speaker 1: off the bat is what kind of line are we
Speaker 1: talking about? Because that answer is going to be different
Speaker 1: for monofilament, flora carbon, or braided line. Right, Um, so
Speaker 1: you know how old is too old? All of that
Speaker 1: depends on environment. Right, So with flora carbon and h monofilament,
Speaker 1: nothing will degrade those faster than than UV light. So
Speaker 1: if you've ever read anything about this, right, like that
Speaker 1: is like the number one thing that will degrade those materials. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's true for monofilament. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's true for floral carbon. I think it's less
Speaker 1: so for floral carbon, but still because because UV light
Speaker 1: can penetrate through both of them. As I understand it,
Speaker 1: I've always been told, yes, mono will degrade the quickest, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: flora carbon less So, but I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: these are stored above a workbench already, you know. I
Speaker 1: think I think if you if you have a bulk
Speaker 1: spool line that's been sitting out on deck all summer
Speaker 1: or for repeated summer, but most people aren't doing that.
Speaker 1: It's in a garage or a basement or something like that, right.
Speaker 1: Um Temperature also factors into it, though less, so I
Speaker 1: keep all my line out in my garage, right and
Speaker 1: it's never call it super extreme out there, but over time,
Speaker 1: over years and years, if you're going from nineties in
Speaker 1: the summer to ten degrees in the winter, you know
Speaker 1: for years on end that that that does matter. I
Speaker 1: think I can shortcut this a lot by saying that
Speaker 1: I'm pretty religious with changing any mono or flor Oh.
Speaker 1: The only the only bulk spools I have are stuff
Speaker 1: that I'd used to fill offshore reels, and I bury
Speaker 1: them away in like the darkest corner of the garage,
Speaker 1: no light penetration, you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: My answer is like pretty simple. Man, If it's floral,
Speaker 1: it's fine. If it's mono, I would replace it, unless
Speaker 1: it's like twenty pound mono or something like that, in
Speaker 1: which case I wonder how much damage it's like received
Speaker 1: from being in a garage. The other thing to consider
Speaker 1: again is like UV light exposure. If there's no light
Speaker 1: by your work bench, I'm not sure how worried I
Speaker 1: would be, but I don't think I would chance it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I And that's the bottom line. I mean. It also
Speaker 1: depends on on on what you're fishing for. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're messing around with channel cats or something and
Speaker 1: it's like kind of low drag and you've got some
Speaker 1: old mono kicking around, I mean, really, you spend enough
Speaker 1: time with with this stuff, you can almost feel when
Speaker 1: mono is past its prime, it will have more memory,
Speaker 1: it will coil up and Mono these days is so
Speaker 1: cheap compared to modern flora and braid like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's dirt cheap, you know. Yeah, sorry, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to cut you off, but to like kind of wrap
Speaker 1: up my shirt on it. Yea. Um. The time when
Speaker 1: I find this to be like most pertinent is actually
Speaker 1: in my h is in my tippet spools when I'm
Speaker 1: fly fishing. Um, you know, I carry Mono and Flora
Speaker 1: tipping the flooras for nymph in the monos for you know,
Speaker 1: dry fly fishing. You kind of want everything to hang
Speaker 1: out on the surface. Um. I replace my Mono tippets
Speaker 1: spools from seven X to three X every year probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I replace my tip it to my three X every
Speaker 1: two or three years, just because it doesn't degrade nearly
Speaker 1: as fast. Um. So that that's again I guess indicative
Speaker 1: of my feelings on if it's lighter and Mono replace
Speaker 1: it often, heavier and Mono replace it less often. Twenty
Speaker 1: years like bush chain administration, that's a lot of times.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of time. I I would I would
Speaker 1: ditch it just because that's an extreme amount of time.
Speaker 1: But I mean I even keep some spools in my
Speaker 1: garage that are maybe I don't know, eight years old
Speaker 1: bulk spools. Am I gonna fill a reel with with
Speaker 1: eight year old mono? No? But for me, it comes
Speaker 1: in handy, like I'll use it to throw a few
Speaker 1: wraps on a reel to back my new braid, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I don't necessarily toss it.
Speaker 1: But am I gonna put it out front front and
Speaker 1: enter at the top end of a real you know? No,
Speaker 1: probably not braid. People are gonna cringe at this. I've
Speaker 1: had reels that have had the same braid on it
Speaker 1: for five years. I'll reverse it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: flip it around. Um, But I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: a tournament angler. It's sort of like you pick your battles.
Speaker 1: I care more about the braid on my saltwater outfits
Speaker 1: on a tuna jigging rod rod. Yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's partially crows and also partially just the size of
Speaker 1: the fish you're catching. I don't want my braid to
Speaker 1: break when I'm fighting a yellow fin, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: for stuff that I'm flicking, you know, for small mouth
Speaker 1: here in the river, I'm slightly less concerned about having
Speaker 1: older braid on there. So I think you know, when
Speaker 1: in doubt, man, just go out and and buy some
Speaker 1: new stuff, especially if it's motto. Not only is Mono cheap,
Speaker 1: I also think that new Mono is even slightly better
Speaker 1: than old Mono and it's still inexpensive. So twenty years
Speaker 1: that that's that's a long time, no matter why what
Speaker 1: kind of line it is, that's a long time. Mhm.
Speaker 1: Final thought. If you want to be really crazy about this,
Speaker 1: I have known some offshore captains who are buying these
Speaker 1: spools that are are hundreds and hundreds of dollars, that
Speaker 1: will store them in a chest freezer, no light, constant
Speaker 1: cold temperature, and uh there you go. So you know, hey,
Speaker 1: go buy some expensive line, throw it in the chest
Speaker 1: freezer with the tater tots and it will last even longer. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: great question, Ted, Thank you so much for sending it in,
Speaker 1: And if you have a question of a similar ilk
Speaker 1: feel free to send it to Bent at the meat
Speaker 1: eater dot com. Or alternatively, I mean, you could send
Speaker 1: in a voice memo with your question and maybe we'll
Speaker 1: answer it right here on the bent helpline. So that's
Speaker 1: it for this week. Remember if you're not sure how
Speaker 1: thick the ice is, take the key of soul, not
Speaker 1: the silverado uh and if nothing else, the soul is
Speaker 1: much cheaper to place. If you do end up on
Speaker 1: the ice in your keya, please take a photo and
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Speaker 1: We'd appreciate that. Please do also keep those helpline questions,
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