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Speaker 1: Good morning to generate anglers, and welcome to Bent, the

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Speaker 1: Surmelli and I made and set back and yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: them outside. No, that's a good idea, but I mean

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Speaker 1: that's cool though, man, So okay, so then we've clarified.

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Speaker 1: Now if you're if you're not a bourbon brother, because

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Speaker 1: won't bring it. I'm not a big walleye guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Is it like? Is it like a number of things?

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Speaker 1: like fines and calling the record because the guy wanted

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00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: to just use some of his farm equipment and pull

426
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: the truck out. But I think apparently they make you

427
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: use a specific service or like you know, some folks

428
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: are pre qualified to do that sort of thing. Yeah,

429
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, like once once your cargoes through and

430
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: everything I think said and done, I'm pretty sure it's

431
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: over ten dollars you've gotta pay something like that. Well

432
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: that's why you gotta check the thickness of the ice. Yeah,

433
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: glad that one turned out, okay, Ben, it was cool

434
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: having you here, man. I also want to just mentioned

435
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: the people that when we first signed on here, I

436
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: noticed a bush light apple can behind you, sir. That

437
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: is that stuff not fantastic, dude, It is just fantastic.

438
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it, like especially in the summers when

439
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: it's actually nice out in Minnesota. Is that like your

440
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: one can you're hanging on too for later because like

441
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: by the case and then you can't find it anywhere.

442
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: Bush Light Apple regular bush light not so much anyway,

443
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: great beer choice, great story. Look for Ben on Instagram.

444
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: It's Ben Outdoors, USA, right, yes, sir, Instagram. And um,

445
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: next time you, you know, put a four wheel or

446
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: a truck through the ice or something, we'll link back

447
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: up and get that story too. That sounds good to me.

448
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Cropp ease through the ice, now, see if we'd get

449
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: solid local ice. I have two spots where I could

450
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: bang on some crop ease and hardly anyone uh fishes

451
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: for them there and open water let alone if it

452
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: ice is up. And the last time I was able

453
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: to get out and drill directly over a few of

454
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: the submerged trees that I know were in these ponds. Dude,

455
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: like you find out very quickly there are many more

456
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: big cropp ease in there than you realized. Just casting

457
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: from the bank. That's that's fun stuff. Yeah. I don't

458
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, Joe, but the first time

459
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: It was about a year ago, the first time we

460
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: ever tried to link up to do any sort of

461
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 1: fishing in our long and storied history of misconnections. Uh.

462
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: We we were going to go to a crappy pond

463
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: that I knew of. It happened to be like like

464
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: a croppy pond my buddy Molly Curran and her family own,

465
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: and man, there are some slab croppy in there. I

466
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: have much more experience catching bigger cropp ease in like

467
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: small ponds than I big legs, like I've done it

468
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: down south and stuff like that. But around here it

469
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: can be this like puddle ditch and they'll be giant

470
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: crop eas in it. Yeah. Well and then again, I mean,

471
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: like I tried, I wanted to take you this year

472
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: that I know, I know, Well, that was one of

473
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: the things we discussed during here your COVID laced Christmas visit.

474
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: Um doing a little ice fishing for croppies. Of course,

475
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: Um they're now going back. There was zero ice out

476
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: here at Christmas, so completely impossible. Which also Christmas feels

477
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: like it was five months ago already. Yeah maybe you

478
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: feel that way, I don't know, but you know, it

479
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: feels very recent. Me losing to you in fish News

480
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: last week. It still stings, and I find it unacceptable.

481
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: So let's remedy that right now. Fish. That escalated quickly,

482
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: if I'm a quick follow up to last week's bent

483
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: helpline question, which was in a nutshell, can your kid

484
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't need a license keep up limit of fish? Um?

485
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 1: And I I had said not that I was aware of,

486
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: at least locally, but I did also say that's something

487
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: that may vary state by state. UM, so maybe you

488
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: should check that out in your state. And we got

489
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of notes about it that we're just sort

490
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: of people weighing in on how it works where they live. UM,

491
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: and I was correct, and that it does vary. It's

492
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: admittedly not something that I ever really worried about, because

493
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: growing up you didn't need a license to fish saltwater

494
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: here at all. You still really don't in Jersey. Uh.

495
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: And both as a kid and now with my own kids,

496
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: nobody was ever overly concerned about keeping limits of anything

497
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: except maybe trout. So I apologize for not naming everyone specifically,

498
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: but to give you guys some examples. UM, we had

499
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: two listeners from Wyoming reach Out and they said out there,

500
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: resident kids can keep a limit, but if you come

501
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: in with your kid from out of state, only the

502
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: licensed angler within the state can keep a limit, which

503
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: makes sense. So that was interesting. Yeah, it does make sense. Now,

504
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: we had another listener from Quebec right in and tell

505
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: us the way it works there is that kids don't

506
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: need a license until they're twelve, I believe, But you

507
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: can only keep the limit of the license holder. Yeah,

508
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: so see, I didn't know that we're learning together. Then

509
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 1: someone else wrote in and said they actually posed this

510
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: question to a West Virginia d n R officer after

511
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: the show, and he said, in West Virginia, resident kids

512
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: are allowed to keep their limit if they are actively fishing, right, So,

513
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: like we mentioned in last week's episode, if your kids

514
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: in the woods are flipping rocks or climbing a tree,

515
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: he or she is not really fishing. Now, granted, that

516
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: would be a very hard thing to prove, right unless

517
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: an officer and authority was like observing, you know, with

518
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: binos for a while or whatever. But still that's the

519
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: rule in West Virginia. I would bet that's the rule

520
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: in other states as well, probably, But I think the

521
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: most interesting note came in from listener Garrett Guthrie, who wrote,

522
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you two's verdict about a kid's limit,

523
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: but I cringed at the thought of their seventy five

524
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: gills in the same cooler representing three limits. In my state, Illinois,

525
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: limits need to be separated by a physical means. In

526
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: Evans case, Evan is the guy who submitted the question.

527
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: He is one dent in the right keeping seventy five gills,

528
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: but he's flirting with disaster keeping them all together. And

529
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, John, until Garrett brought this up, I'd never

530
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: even considered it, you know, And I'm going to openly

531
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: admit that I hadn't either. And and this may be

532
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: a state by state deal to you know what. You know,

533
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: what's interesting like and it's got to be like a

534
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: fish specific thing because you think about any Instagram post

535
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: you've seen of like a duck outfitter. Do you ever

536
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: see those limits separated or is it in one big Yeah?

537
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean I could take that. I can also point

538
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: to the kill shots at Marina's where there's thirty five

539
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: fish hang it on a board nailed up with the charter. Yeah. Yeah,

540
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: But I what I do think I'm actually glad that

541
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Garrett brought this up. I think it's a good example

542
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: of a rule that many of us may not be

543
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: aware of that theoretically could lead you to trouble if

544
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: if you're unaware of it. Um, you know again, like

545
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: thinking back, I had my trout stringer and my dad

546
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: had had his when I was growing up. But when

547
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: we got back to the car, they all went in

548
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the same cooler. Man, you know what I mean? Like

549
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: you never thought anything of that. You know, I do

550
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: a ton of saltwater fishing. It all goes in the

551
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: same fish box while you're out there and you figure

552
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: it out later. Um. Now, I've never heard of anyone

553
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: getting pinched for that locally. But it it doesn't mean

554
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: it's not the rule, right, So I'm gonna look into

555
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: that because now I'm curious. But you know, if I

556
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: took my son crappie fishing, say, and we legit each

557
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: caught a limit, I would have put them in the

558
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: same cooler, especially if we were on a boat, right,

559
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: Because have you ever been on a boat where you know,

560
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: each guy brings his own cooler for this purpose to

561
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: separate limits. I've never seen. That doesn't mean it's not

562
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: the rule, but I've never seen that, so I was

563
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: interested by Garrett Snow. Yeah, when when I was growing up,

564
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, trout fishing, my dad and I also each

565
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: had our separate stringer. I think that was mostly just

566
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: so my dad could flex on me when we were

567
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: walking out or yeah. Man, yeah, the chain stringers so

568
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: it jangled when you lifted him out of the water.

569
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: Everybody knew how many were on there. It took at

570
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: least four to make it rattle, you know. Yeah. Well anyway, hey, Garrett,

571
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: thank you for making us more aware of this. Also,

572
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: here's where we make you aware that this is a competition.

573
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: Joe and I do not know like that. Yes, Joe

574
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: and I do not know which news story the other

575
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: guy grabbed. And at the end of all this, our

576
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: audio engineer, the wonderful, the beloved, the butter but whimsical,

577
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: admirable Phil Taylor, will reach his limit of bullshit regarding

578
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: one story and declare the other guy the winner. Joe,

579
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: it is your lead. It is so. I was already

580
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: pretty convinced right that Google and my phone we're listening.

581
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: But now I know, right, big brother had to have

582
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: been listening to our chat with Ben about about his

583
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: boy's truck that nearly ended up going through the ice.

584
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Because this story popped up and it actually answers questions

585
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: we had hinted at in this week's smooth Moves. So

586
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: how wonderful. And this comes from Madison dot com and

587
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: it's a profile piece of Mr Don Herman. Now, Herman

588
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: is a lifelong member of the Otter Street Fishing Club

589
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: up on Lake Winnebago. Now I don't I don't think

590
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: I need to explain that the Winnebago is a major

591
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: ice fishing destination, right and while there are plenty of

592
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: anglers out there chasing perch and walleye already, um, you know,

593
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: when when sturgeon season opens up in February, they've got

594
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: some big tournaments coming up, traffic is only going to increase.

595
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: But as I understand it, thus far this season, the

596
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: the ice on Winnebago has been a bit jankie. So

597
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: according to this story, you need sixteen inches to safely

598
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: drive a car or truck out. And at the time

599
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the story was written, which was only a few days

600
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: ago last week, late last week, Herman was finding thirteen

601
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: inches in one spot and as little as eight relatively

602
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: close by. And what he is is he's kind of

603
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: a hired gun, sort of voluntary hired gun ice safety officer.

604
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: And what he does is he drives around in his

605
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: a TV and monitors and when necessary, uh, installs metal

606
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: bridges over expansion cracks and stuff. Yeah, And he'll move

607
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: these these structures and bridges as necessary, and he even

608
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: uses old Christmas trees to mark them to sort of

609
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: create like a sort of a buoy system kind of

610
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: like boats would find on the Intracoastal Waterway, which is

611
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: is very cool and useful because so many people fish there. Uh.

612
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: In fact, in the story, year old angler Jason Math

613
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: was quoted on the day the news team was there

614
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: to hang out with Herman, and he very much appreciates

615
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: his services because, as he put it, the ice is rough.

616
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: This crack, which was the one Herman was was bridging

617
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: during the story, said it opened from two inches last

618
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: night to about a foot today. Right, Yeah, so pretty

619
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: pretty cool service. Now, as as I understand it, um

620
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: Herman's ice safety work, he's all voluntary, but he also

621
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: has a side gig geared toward folks that don't take

622
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: ice safety as seriously. This is directly from the story.

623
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: His business, which is called sunk question Mark Dive and

624
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Ice Service, retrieves cars, trucks, snowmobiles, and ice shacks that

625
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: have plunged through the ice and into the depths of

626
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: a lake or river. In warmer months, he has pulled

627
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: out sunken boats, cars that have slid down boat ramps,

628
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: and crashed planes and helicopters. He's waiting to remove a

629
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: tractor from thirty ft of water in Lake Lucerne near Watoma,

630
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and we'll use a tow truck that weighs about four

631
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: thousand pounds, significantly less than most. Herman typically does about

632
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty jobs each winter within a two hour radius of Oshkosh,

633
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: although one year he pulled more than seventy vehicles out

634
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: of the drinks of Wisconsin. In another year, he pulled

635
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: a car out of a hundred and twenty five ft

636
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: of water and green Lake. Now, how much do you

637
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: think Herman charges per hour for this service? This is

638
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: the tie back to Ben's story. I remember it being

639
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: what I thought of is astronomically expensive. Um, the whole

640
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: ordeal would cost you just a ship ton of money. Okay,

641
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: So I do not know take Okay, so we said

642
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: it was like ten thousand dollars we thought to get

643
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: one out after fines. I have no idea how much

644
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: of those fines were. I imagine it's pretty expensive. Let's

645
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: say five hundred bucks an hour, one thousand dollars an hour,

646
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: and that's not including any fines or anything else that

647
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: that you rack up because of of your your your

648
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: little mishap there with your truck or car snowmobile going

649
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: through Herman gets one thousand dollars an hour and says

650
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: a job can take three or to four hours or

651
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: more depending on the circumstances. Good insurance may or may

652
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: not cover the expense, right, no kidding, It all depends

653
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: on the policy. Now, dude, I mean a thousand bucks

654
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: an hour, I am in the wrong business. That's like,

655
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: that's like baring sea crabbing rates right there. Um, But

656
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but we we talked with Ben about

657
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the fines and the salvage for losing the truck through

658
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: the ice. There you go, right, So it'll cost you

659
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: and and no doubt people will pay because as I mentioned,

660
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: we were talking to Ben, I talked about getting my

661
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: truck stuck in the sand one time, and I was

662
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: like twenty four years old, scared shitless because the tide

663
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: was coming in. That dude came out in his record

664
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: and was like, hey man, three under bucks to pull

665
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: you fifteen feet and you're so like, oh, I'm like yeah,

666
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: three hundred bucks. Fine, just please, just please God get

667
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: me out of here right now. So, like, those are

668
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: great businesses, uh, to be in. I'm also certain some

669
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: of you listening in Wisconsin no of Don Herman because

670
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: his nickname is Hollywood Herman. He has apparently done well

671
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: posting videos of his recoveries on Facebook, in which he

672
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: simultaneously gives ice condition updates. So like, imagine you're the

673
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: sucker he's like all the way in. Not good. He's

674
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: just winching your ship out of the lake and he's like,

675
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: oh we got eighteen inches. Uh yeah, that's funny. I

676
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: like that. He also apparently frequently appears um in local

677
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: news reports. He also owns two bars, The Fountain and Blazers,

678
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: both of which I'm sure it could be featured and

679
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: that's my bar. So he sounds like a good guy

680
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: to know, especially if you're worried about losing your your

681
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: shanty or your snowmobile. Because like then maybe you get

682
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: like the family and friends discount, you know, maybe maybe

683
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: then it is only five hundred bucks an hour. Who knows. Yeah, yeah,

684
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: gee whiz man. I don't know if I ever told

685
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: you this, but when I first moved out to Montana,

686
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: my buddy chet Riddle and I we were like looking

687
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: to uh, we were looking to go shoot our rifles

688
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: somewhere to site him in. And it was the springtime,

689
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: and I'd heard it called mud season, but I didn't

690
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: really understand what that meant until we were about five.

691
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: I was up a back road in his uh, in

692
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: his truck, and the mud is getting superior and superier,

693
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like doing that thing where he's

694
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: like whipping the steering wheel back and forth, and both

695
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: of us are like, yeah, we're in control. Next thing,

696
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're like on the side of the road

697
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: and we have two wheels dipped into this crack that

698
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: must have been six ft deep where water. Had just

699
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: remember seeing pictures of this, he posted, Yeah, yeah. I

700
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: just remember him down low beneath me, me up high

701
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: in like those in the in the passenger seat, and

702
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: just looking down at him and him going, we're we

703
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: are so it's funny. It was about six to get

704
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: his car out. Though it was like that. It's funny

705
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: because the sand gig was actually not the worst that

706
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: ever was. I did something very similar ironically while hunting

707
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: in Jersey. Shout out to Collier's Mills if anybody knows

708
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: where that is in Jersey, the hunting the hunting grounds there,

709
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: um and it's saith. I can't tell the whole story

710
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: because it's way too long and and and it'll just

711
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: take up too much time. But it was in the

712
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: days of brick ericson Zack Morris cell phones. I had

713
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: like one dot or bar or whatever they had. The

714
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: story involves my mom and then the tow truck getting

715
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: stuck trying to get me. It's crazy ship. We don't

716
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: have time for that. But it's a terrible feeling. It's

717
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: a terrible feeling when you know, like there's nothing. When

718
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I got stuck on the beach, you know, ten different

719
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: guys tried to get me out, just like popping me

720
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: forward with their trucks wasn't happening. And you hit that

721
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: point where you're like, this is a bad deal and

722
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: either I'm losing my truck or I'm paying dearly for this,

723
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah, And to that end, I'm actually

724
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: thinking about getting a winch for my truck. But man,

725
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: they just look so I think it's cooler than a

726
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: than a rod vault. If that helps you out, well,

727
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: please enter your password. You have one unheard message which

728
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: I got got about two gowns of Primo brown shout

729
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Eggs sale. You know where to find me. End of message,

730
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Delete press seven, save deleted. Alright, Joe, So for fish

731
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: news this week. Uh, this story comes from USA Today.

732
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: As if it didn't already have enough going for it,

733
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: Florida is once again the shark bite capital of the world.

734
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: That's right, folks from Unchecked, Black Bears, two dudes on

735
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: bath salts, and once again sharks. The most challenging thing

736
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: about visiting Florida is avoiding not getting bit by something.

737
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: Is it really Florida? Florida's like overtaken Australian junk. Yeah.

738
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: While there was a dip due to pandemic shutdowns and

739
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: marine recreation opportunities in sharks had a banner year in

740
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Florida had the most attacks not only in the US

741
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: but worldwide. Mm. Now, Joe, I'm sure you've noticed. I've

742
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: given you no real nitty gritty facts, just general statements,

743
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: so it's like every other news we've done. Thank you.

744
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: I have a surprise for you, Joe. We're going to

745
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: unpack the nitty gritty together in this very special edition

746
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: of Fish News. It's time for Hayden's Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution,

747
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge Quiz Show. Hayden's Jaws

748
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge quiz show,

749
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: otherwise known as an easy way out of having to

750
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: do real research about something. Okay, I'll play your game.

751
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: I'll play. That's not all night. I did real research

752
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: and in fact, I formulated a game show around it.

753
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: So you tell me what is the easy way out? Joe? Okay,

754
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: come all right, I shall do my best. I'm not

755
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm not fully sure what this quiz is yet or

756
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: what this is about, but I just I just I

757
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: just told you what the quiz was. Man. It's Hayden's

758
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge

759
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: Quiz Show. Hayden's Jaws Pop Quiz Retribution, Shark and Shark

760
00:41:36,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: Attack Trivia Challenge quiz shows you keep relling, Okay. I

761
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: feel like that very clearly lines it out if not

762
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: being a bit verbose. All right, yeah, come on, yeah,

763
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: So Joe, you keep score of the you know what,

764
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I'll keep scoring board. Yeah, alright. So Question one, according

765
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: to the International Shark Attack File, approximately, how many known

766
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: species of sharks are there? Is it A one, B

767
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: two hundred, C five hundred, or D eight hundred D

768
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: eight hundred That is incorrect? The answer was C five hundred.

769
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: There are five hundred and thirty eight known species of sharks. Okay,

770
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: but that's fine, Huh. I personally know three hundred more

771
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: that have yet to be discovered by science. I didn't. Yeah, no,

772
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: you don't, okay, So moving on. Uh. Of those five

773
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight species, how many have been confirmed

774
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: to have bitten a human unprovoked ten or more times?

775
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Is the answer A thirteen, B C or D one

776
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three that is correct? The answer is

777
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: A thirteen. Those species are the lemon shark, blue shark,

778
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: black shark. We'll get there. These are descending order, by

779
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: the way, black tip brief, oceanic, white tip, bronze whaler, spinner, hammerhead, wabigoon,

780
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: sand tiger, black tip, bull tiger, and white. Because when

781
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I researched something similar for the Conway Bowman quiz, I

782
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: think I think you missed mako. Nope, not a ton

783
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: of more times unprovoked. Okay, all right, give you a

784
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: check there, all right, all right? How many attacks were

785
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: reported in Florida in is it go ahead? Is it

786
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: a B fifty? See a dight one or D three million?

787
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Just in one calendar year. See. The problem with this is, like,

788
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't care what you think. The problem with somebody

789
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: gets like nipped by a freaking bonnet head while they're

790
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: in the waiting pool at the resort, Like that counts

791
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: fifty b H. The answer is a. Again, there were

792
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: twenty eight confirmed attacks in Florida, accounting for over half

793
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: of the unprovoked shark attacks in US waters and more

794
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: than a third of unprovoked shark attacks worldwide. Okay, there's

795
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: a pattern here. I'm always fifty percent right because so

796
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: far it's always been the lowest two. It's one of

797
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: the lowest two, and I'm just I'm just going from there.

798
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't think you understand what right means well, in

799
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: my head, that's how I have worked it out, and

800
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling myself and in everybody else's head.

801
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: You are still wrong. Next question, what activity were most

802
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: people doing when an unprovoked attack occurred? A windsurfing? Here,

803
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: the that is not it's not even an option. A

804
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: snorkeling be surfing, see swimming in low light conditions or

805
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: d free diving see swimming in low light conditions. Wrong again, Joe,

806
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: The answer is be surfing. Apparently, flailing around on a

807
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: surfboard draws the attention of water dwelling apex predators and

808
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: of shark attack victims were doing just that when they

809
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: were bit. So half the people that were bit in

810
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Florida last year, we're all on a surfboard. Um, I'm

811
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: not sure it breaks down like that. You know, Florida

812
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: could be outside of the average. Um, but presumably if

813
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna apply that statistic and broad strokes. Okay, alright, fascinating. Um,

814
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: you know here's something else that's like interesting and on

815
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: like that same kind of tip. I keep using the

816
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: term unprovoked attacks, and the the differentiator obviously is like

817
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: if you're feeding sharks or like harass them while you're

818
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: diving or um unhooking a shark like those things are

819
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: not listed in there. And interestingly, a an example of

820
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: a provoked attack would also be spear fishing is considered

821
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: a provoked attack. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Anyhow,

822
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: next question you're gonna get wrong, and they're like questions, No, no,

823
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: we're coming to the end. You probably got this one right.

824
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: What type of shark was implicated in the greatest number

825
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: of attacks all time? Is it a the bull shark,

826
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: b tiger shark, see black tip shark or d white

827
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: shark the greatest number of attacks of all time in

828
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: all history in the parameters of this research. Yeah, God,

829
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: once again, it's like a bite or an attack, like

830
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: a massive attack, Like a bull shark doesn't tend to

831
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: nip you like it. You know, it grabs your leg

832
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: and goes to town like freaking the cousin Eddie's dog.

833
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm just going through the mental process here. I keep

834
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: saying attack, but like it's listed as bite black tip.

835
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: That is wrong, Joe, If you had paid attention to

836
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: my sloppy quiz writing, I noted that the sharks that

837
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I was listing previously in like the thirteen um sharks

838
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: that had bit folks ten or more times. I noted

839
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: that that was in a sending order, the last of

840
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: which was the white sharks. So the answer was d

841
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: white sharks are responsible for three hundred and fifty four

842
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: confirmed unprovoked attacks, fifty seven of which were fatal. You're

843
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: doing horribly, Yeah, but like, dude, how could you said

844
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: that there were There's been so many quote attacks in

845
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: Florida just over the last few years, none of them

846
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: were white sharks, So how can that be right? I

847
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: think that that's why um Florida becoming the the shark

848
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: attack capital of the world is a good news story.

849
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: I do not believe that great whites have unprovoking lee

850
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: attacked more people than bull sharks and little black tips

851
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: and things like that. Well, you're gonna have to take

852
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: that up with the International Shark Attack File and you

853
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: can find them, I think at Florida State. I will

854
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: send them an email, or it might be Atlantic Florida University.

855
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those schools down in Florida. Okay,

856
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: So last question, Joe, last question, and this is not

857
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: a multiple choice, what was the name of the original

858
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: animatronic shark in the movie Jaws. Bruce. Bruce is correct, Joe,

859
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: you were two for six, which means you have a

860
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: thirty three quiz. Shitty quiz I gave you. That's about

861
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: one specific film you had to watch. I'm not an

862
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: expert on sharks. Stats. You say you like sharks all

863
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: the time. Man, I love sharks are apparently only statistics.

864
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't like maths. Well, Joe, uh, you know, statistics

865
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: don't seem to like you either. This place has been

866
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: extremely awkward. And speaking of awkward, we got an awkward

867
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: photo submission that might look familiar to a few of you.

868
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: If you like me, gravitate to website and social media

869
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: accounts full of stupid, useless shit. Phil, you learn nothing. Well,

870
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: that's not true. Despite your somewhat concerning performance during the

871
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: shark quiz, Joseph Mellie, you still win this week. I'm

872
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: thinking in order to create some healthy competition over there

873
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, I'll actually be starting my own ice recovery

874
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: service as well, except I'll just charge a thousand dollars

875
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: an hour to pull drunk freshman out of snow drifts

876
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: and toilet bowls and Madison and please start referring to

877
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: me as Hollywood fill from now on. Thank you, when

878
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: did you take a picture the lab? We have not

879
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: had an awkward moment in a minute. And uh, we

880
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: have to thank longtime listener David Burgess for this one.

881
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: It's transcendent in a way because he tells us it was.

882
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: It was featured back in the day on this site,

883
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: Awkward Family Photos. Now, obviously I'm a fan of that site,

884
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: and Awkward Moments in Angling was modeled after it, But

885
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: Awkward Family Photos is pretty o g Like that ship

886
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: has been around since two thousand nine, long before all

887
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: these similar Insta and and Facebook pages popped up. Like

888
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of of weird ship at the

889
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: thrift Store, but Awkward Family Photos it was kind of

890
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: well ahead of its time, you know. Yeah. What's crazier though,

891
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: is that all these years later, the person with the photo,

892
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: and more importantly, the person who can give us permission

893
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: to use the photo, is in fact a bent listener.

894
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: What are the odds they're slim? There's slim, Hayden. But

895
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad it happened because what we've got right, it's

896
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: a grip and grin of David's Uncle Pete. Now this

897
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: is retro, right, this was taken in and to dive

898
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: right into it. Here Uncle Pete stands in front of

899
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: some classic eighties wood paneling, probably seventies wood paneling. It's

900
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: probably been around even longer, which I have been really like.

901
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, which is why I haven't taken

902
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: down the same paneling that I It's the same paneling

903
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: behind Uncle Pete in my finished basement. It's it's like

904
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: pe green though it's terrific um and minimal water damage.

905
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: So I've just left it because I think it's pretty cool. Anyhow.

906
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Uncle Pete, right, he's trim, he's a good looking feller.

907
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: He's totally rocking a vintage porn mustache like Allah John Holmes,

908
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know, he might have had away with

909
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: ladies because his outfit. To me, it's like straight out

910
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: of urban cowboy. I could almost see you wearing this

911
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: outfit now for like a night on the town in Montana.

912
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I could picture it in my mind, so could I. Man.

913
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: Uncle Pete is wearing a To describe it fully, Uncle

914
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: Pete is wearing a crisp blood red button down cowboy

915
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: shirt with sharp contrasting black buttons, and that's tucked into

916
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: some tight black jeans. And while the belt buckle was obscured,

917
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I wanted I can. I can only make out like

918
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of its design, but it's epic. Yeah.

919
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's very hard to describe, but it's got

920
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: that Native American like woven blanket look worked into like

921
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: geometrical shapes like I've seen that design. I've seen this before.

922
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: It's like I can't really place them, yeah, exactly. It's

923
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: just very Southwestern, shall we say, And it's it's super

924
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: cool anyway. In Uncle Pete's left hand right is a

925
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: large rainbow trout and he's dangling it horizontally by the gills.

926
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: And it is long dead, like it is long dead.

927
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I is pure white, um, and the

928
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: fish is very blotchy, like you know how the color

929
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: sorts to it'll it'll fade in some spots but not

930
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: in others. When a fish has just been laying on

931
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: its side in the cooler for a good long while. Um,

932
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: that's where this trout clearly has been. Okay, yeah, now

933
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: in in stunning relief, uh, in uncle Pete's right arm

934
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: is a very healthy, very much alive baby girl. Uncle

935
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,959
Speaker 1: Pete is supporting her around the middle, uh, under the arms,

936
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: like like as if you were carrying in a bag

937
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: of flower and uh, that's that's a that's a that's

938
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: an approved hold. By the way, just grab him, you'll see.

939
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: And she looks like surprised, you know. Shot overall between

940
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the outfit, the steeds of Uncle Pete and like the

941
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: dead trout and the stunned baby, there's a lot going

942
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: on here. But clearly this is a kind of like

943
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: a size comparison, you know, the troud he's almost exactly

944
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: the same length as the child. Yes, it's a yeah,

945
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say the baby's you know, a few

946
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: months old, maybe as I don't know, four or five

947
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: months old, maybe six, I don't know. So it's if

948
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: that tells you anything, if you can picture a baby,

949
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: this is a large trout. It is the same length. Um,

950
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: and I just I had to laugh because, like, you know,

951
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: mom is off to the side. You go and don't

952
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: let that fish touch that baby, Like that's what my

953
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: wife would have been saying, you know, um, but I

954
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like this is an album cover. If

955
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I've ever seen one. This could this could easily you know,

956
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: be to swap in for the Bent playlist. Um, but

957
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: before we tell you some specifics that we do know

958
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: about this shot, I want some rapid fire Hayden roast.

959
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: This is the thing you started last awkward where where

960
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: you're just like you were very good at these. We'll

961
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: even up the antie Phil throw ten seconds on the clock.

962
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll do it like that, all right,

963
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Rapid fire roast? Okay? Yeah. And before

964
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: we get going here, I just want to say this

965
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: is not necessarily something that brings me joy. This is

966
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: just part of my job description. And I apologize, full

967
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: full shit. Yes, it's on the clock, Yes, and begin.

968
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: Dude looks like a Tinder profile picture from the mid eighties.

969
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: Dude looks like Burt Reynolds Trout and baby dealer. Dude,

970
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: it looks like neither of these things he's holding belonged

971
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: to him. Dudes look like he's part of some baby

972
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: in Trout smuggling breaking bad prequel. Dude looks like he's

973
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: involved in some sort of fish baby hostage situation. Dude

974
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: looks like Joe Dirt caused playing a Southwestern Tiger Woods.

975
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: Dude looks like the spirit that visits bachelor's when they're

976
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: thinking about settling down. That is the best one, right

977
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: there was that all of them, that's all of them.

978
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: That was the best one. I was gonna give it

979
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: to Burt Reynolds Baby and Trout Dealer, but the last one, Bravo,

980
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: well done, well done. I love this. I love this

981
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: new element of awkward moments anyway. So look, here's here's

982
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: the clincher. Uh. David told us he couldn't get much

983
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: info on the catch, but the baby in question is

984
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: his cousin Amy, and Amy says there's also a photo

985
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: from the same photo shoot where Uncle Pete just laid

986
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: the fish next to her on a flat surface and

987
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: put a yard stick between, so the size comparison theory

988
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: is correct. Um and David says. Amy didn't remember anything

989
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: about how the fish was caught or where, but she

990
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: knew her dad was pretty damn proud of it. So proud.

991
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: She said that that dad took a whole bunch of

992
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: photos of her with this fish in many different poses

993
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: in scenarios, all of which ended up in her official

994
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: baby album. Uh. And that my friends that is how

995
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you do it. That was fun, David, thank you for

996
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: sending that along. Uh, new parents, but yeah, yeah, it's

997
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: it's all Yeah man, new Parents, pose your inference with

998
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: dead fish and send those shots to Bent at the

999
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: meatiator dot com. Best of luck making them more awkward

1000
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: than this shot. But you know, we've been known to

1001
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: be surprised. So thanks to David for sending that. And

1002
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: I think Joe, I think we ought to give him

1003
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: a slightly bigger shout out me too. Agreed. Yes, some

1004
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: of you may have seen his artwork if you file

1005
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: the Degenerate Angler or Bent podcast hashtags or the Mediator

1006
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: hashtag for that matter, because he's devoted like a lot

1007
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: of his life. Uh it seems to drawing characters slash

1008
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: pop art of every single person involved with Meat Eater.

1009
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah he has. I'm not sure if if if if

1010
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: David's like looking for a gig or a merge deal

1011
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: or what, But I mean he has. I can't, I

1012
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: can't even name him all. He's drawn me as the

1013
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: Misfits skull. He's drawn you and I fishing together while

1014
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: Phil looks on from a tuggy sandbox. Uh, he's drawn

1015
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: his interpretation of Lance v, Bob the garbage Man, Steve

1016
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: Yanny Cow all those guys. The list just goes on

1017
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: and on um. But his attention to detail is incredible,

1018
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it's wild. I noticed that in that

1019
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: picture that he posted of us, like on like the

1020
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: in the canoe or whatever. Yeah, he has gone so

1021
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: far as to draw the headphones that we use in

1022
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: the studio, like the actual ones. I don't even know

1023
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: how he knows we're using those headphones. He named the

1024
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: tuggy the pt Cruiser. You know, detail, I think I

1025
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: think David is actually Steve Ronella in like a bank

1026
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: right right. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of attention to detail, we

1027
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: we've got a question here in the bent helpline regarding

1028
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: a detail of your tackle storage. Many of you might

1029
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: not even consider, what do you laughing at? Martini? You're

1030
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: not an idiot, You're not a gambloony hell are? You're

1031
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: a fisherman? Best, what's your emergency? So our question this

1032
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: week comes via email from Ted Pelleck. I think that's

1033
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: how you say it, pe l e h uh. He

1034
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: says he's a long time listener, first time emailer. So

1035
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: lucky you, Ted, because your question your question made it man. Now,

1036
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: this is a question, right that I have heard, uh been.

1037
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: It's been kicked around a lot, right, There's been articles

1038
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: written about it, and I'm really not sure there's a

1039
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: definitive answer. So I think the best we can do

1040
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: is sort of weigh in and give our opinion and

1041
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: maybe a few tips. But but here's what Ted writes.

1042
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: He says, I have a few different bulk spools of

1043
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: name brand line that I've had above the work bench

1044
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: since sometime during the Bush Cheney administration. The economical in

1045
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: parentheses cheap side of me says, the line quote seems fine,

1046
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: and I should continue respooling my reels from those spools

1047
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: each year, just as I have been. The spooky side

1048
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: of me says, to throw that ship away and my

1049
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: freshly minted line so I don't end up in a

1050
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: self inflicted blind fit of homicidal rage because I snapped

1051
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: off a great fish or birds nested three reels in

1052
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: just one hour of fishing. All that was to tee

1053
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Speaker 1: up My question is how old is too old for line? Well,

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Speaker 1: there is not a quick answer to that, because what

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Speaker 1: is step one? What must be figured out first? Well,

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Speaker 1: the first thing is addressing the birds nesting man like

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Speaker 1: that can be well, I mean, I I want to

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Speaker 1: get that out of the way, because that's like an

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Speaker 1: easy solution. Um, without knowing the pound test, and I assume,

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Speaker 1: like you're talking about something for like bass or like whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to assume we're working with like

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Speaker 1: ten pound tests. Do you think that's like a fair assumption. Sure,

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Speaker 1: we'll call it ten pound tests. Um, you could stretch

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Speaker 1: that line out as you're spooling it, and it probably

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Speaker 1: won't bird's nest. And I'll tell you what, if it's

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Speaker 1: gonna break, you'll find out real quick doing that. So well,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Line stretching is a whole other other issue,

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: and it's important and a lot of guys don't do it.

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Speaker 1: But we'll we'll save that for later. When I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, the most important thing to figure out right

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Speaker 1: off the bat is what kind of line are we

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Speaker 1: talking about? Because that answer is going to be different

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Speaker 1: for monofilament, flora carbon, or braided line. Right, Um, so

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Speaker 1: you know how old is too old? All of that

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: depends on environment. Right, So with flora carbon and h monofilament,

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01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: nothing will degrade those faster than than UV light. So

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Speaker 1: if you've ever read anything about this, right, like that

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: is like the number one thing that will degrade those materials. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's true for monofilament. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's true for floral carbon. I think it's less

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: so for floral carbon, but still because because UV light

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Speaker 1: can penetrate through both of them. As I understand it,

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Speaker 1: I've always been told, yes, mono will degrade the quickest, right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: flora carbon less So, but I mean the fact that

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Speaker 1: these are stored above a workbench already, you know. I

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Speaker 1: think I think if you if you have a bulk

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Speaker 1: spool line that's been sitting out on deck all summer

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01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: or for repeated summer, but most people aren't doing that.

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Speaker 1: It's in a garage or a basement or something like that, right.

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01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: Um Temperature also factors into it, though less, so I

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Speaker 1: keep all my line out in my garage, right and

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: it's never call it super extreme out there, but over time,

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: over years and years, if you're going from nineties in

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: the summer to ten degrees in the winter, you know

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: for years on end that that that does matter. I

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: think I can shortcut this a lot by saying that

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty religious with changing any mono or flor Oh.

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: The only the only bulk spools I have are stuff

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: that I'd used to fill offshore reels, and I bury

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01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: them away in like the darkest corner of the garage,

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01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: no light penetration, you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: My answer is like pretty simple. Man, If it's floral,

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01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: it's fine. If it's mono, I would replace it, unless

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Speaker 1: it's like twenty pound mono or something like that, in

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Speaker 1: which case I wonder how much damage it's like received

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Speaker 1: from being in a garage. The other thing to consider

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: again is like UV light exposure. If there's no light

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Speaker 1: by your work bench, I'm not sure how worried I

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01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: would be, but I don't think I would chance it. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I And that's the bottom line. I mean. It also

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: depends on on on what you're fishing for. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're messing around with channel cats or something and

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01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: it's like kind of low drag and you've got some

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: old mono kicking around, I mean, really, you spend enough

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01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: time with with this stuff, you can almost feel when

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01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: mono is past its prime, it will have more memory,

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01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: it will coil up and Mono these days is so

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Speaker 1: cheap compared to modern flora and braid like it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's dirt cheap, you know. Yeah, sorry, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to cut you off, but to like kind of wrap

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Speaker 1: up my shirt on it. Yea. Um. The time when

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Speaker 1: I find this to be like most pertinent is actually

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Speaker 1: in my h is in my tippet spools when I'm

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Speaker 1: fly fishing. Um, you know, I carry Mono and Flora

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Speaker 1: tipping the flooras for nymph in the monos for you know,

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Speaker 1: dry fly fishing. You kind of want everything to hang

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Speaker 1: out on the surface. Um. I replace my Mono tippets

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Speaker 1: spools from seven X to three X every year probably, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I replace my tip it to my three X every

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Speaker 1: two or three years, just because it doesn't degrade nearly

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Speaker 1: as fast. Um. So that that's again I guess indicative

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Speaker 1: of my feelings on if it's lighter and Mono replace

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Speaker 1: it often, heavier and Mono replace it less often. Twenty

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Speaker 1: years like bush chain administration, that's a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of time. I I would I would

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Speaker 1: ditch it just because that's an extreme amount of time.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I even keep some spools in my

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Speaker 1: garage that are maybe I don't know, eight years old

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01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: bulk spools. Am I gonna fill a reel with with

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01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: eight year old mono? No? But for me, it comes

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: in handy, like I'll use it to throw a few

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Speaker 1: wraps on a reel to back my new braid, you

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I don't necessarily toss it.

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: But am I gonna put it out front front and

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Speaker 1: enter at the top end of a real you know? No,

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01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 1: probably not braid. People are gonna cringe at this. I've

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Speaker 1: had reels that have had the same braid on it

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Speaker 1: for five years. I'll reverse it, you know what I mean,

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: flip it around. Um, But I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a tournament angler. It's sort of like you pick your battles.

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Speaker 1: I care more about the braid on my saltwater outfits

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: on a tuna jigging rod rod. Yeah, it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's partially crows and also partially just the size of

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Speaker 1: the fish you're catching. I don't want my braid to

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Speaker 1: break when I'm fighting a yellow fin, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: for stuff that I'm flicking, you know, for small mouth

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Speaker 1: here in the river, I'm slightly less concerned about having

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Speaker 1: older braid on there. So I think you know, when

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Speaker 1: in doubt, man, just go out and and buy some

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Speaker 1: new stuff, especially if it's motto. Not only is Mono cheap,

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Speaker 1: I also think that new Mono is even slightly better

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Speaker 1: than old Mono and it's still inexpensive. So twenty years

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Speaker 1: that that's that's a long time, no matter why what

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Speaker 1: kind of line it is, that's a long time. Mhm.

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Speaker 1: Final thought. If you want to be really crazy about this,

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Speaker 1: I have known some offshore captains who are buying these

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Speaker 1: spools that are are hundreds and hundreds of dollars, that

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Speaker 1: will store them in a chest freezer, no light, constant

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Speaker 1: cold temperature, and uh there you go. So you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: go buy some expensive line, throw it in the chest

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Speaker 1: freezer with the tater tots and it will last even longer. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: great question, Ted, Thank you so much for sending it in,

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Speaker 1: answer it right here on the bent helpline. So that's

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Speaker 1: it for this week. Remember if you're not sure how

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Speaker 1: thick the ice is, take the key of soul, not

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Speaker 1: the silverado uh and if nothing else, the soul is

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