WEBVTT - Class and the Culture War Part 2: Abstract Value, Concrete Genocide

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to tag it Appened Here, a podcast about why

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<v Speaker 2>again and last episode we talked about the problems with

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<v Speaker 2>conceiving of all of labor as production from a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of macro feminist perspective of you know, thinking about how

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thinking of all labor, as production doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>capture what most labor is. And you know, we looked

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<v Speaker 2>at how this allowed patriarchy to become a wedge to

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<v Speaker 2>private workers movement apart. But there's another sort of more

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<v Speaker 2>micro problem with thinking about productive labor, and that micro

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<v Speaker 2>problem is that people are just absolutely unable to think

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<v Speaker 2>about productivity in anything other than moral terms. As to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why this is the case, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to go forward an answer. I've seen every theory from

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<v Speaker 2>like it's Christianity, to like it's ductual feature of capitalism

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<v Speaker 2>to its human nature or whatever. I'm I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>pick pick your theory about why everyone is incapable of

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<v Speaker 2>being normal about productivity. But this turns out to be

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<v Speaker 2>a real problem for anyone who is trying to use

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<v Speaker 2>productive versus unproductive labor in a purely technical sense. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous person to do this is, as some

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<v Speaker 2>of you probably know, one, Karl Marx. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>I was hard on Mark's last episode, but this one

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<v Speaker 2>and the stuff that's going to follow isn't really his fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Marx here is actually doing one of the times where

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<v Speaker 2>he's being very reasonable and he's being very specific about

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<v Speaker 2>what productive labor is and everyone else is being extremely unreasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, given the incredibly dark places this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to go, maybe this is one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>where like, I don't know, you need to pick differ

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<v Speaker 2>words that aren't as emotionally charged as like productive and

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<v Speaker 2>unproductive labor. But all in all, like this, the catastrophe

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<v Speaker 2>that's about to unfold is not Marx's fault. There was

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<v Speaker 2>really no way that he could have known how nuts

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was going to go over this. So what actually

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<v Speaker 2>is the distinction between productive and unproductive labor? From Marx? So,

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<v Speaker 2>first off, and this is very important, productive versus unproductive

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<v Speaker 2>labor is a technical term. It has no moral content

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<v Speaker 2>at all. All it means is that some labor produces

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<v Speaker 2>capital for the capital owning class and some labor doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's literally it. Here's Marx. The commodities the capitalists

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<v Speaker 2>buys for his own private consumption are not consumed productively.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not become factors of capital. Just as little

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<v Speaker 2>to the service as he buys for his consumption voluntarily

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<v Speaker 2>or through compulsion from the state, et cetera, for the

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<v Speaker 2>sake of their useful value, They do not become a

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<v Speaker 2>factor of capital. They are not therefore productive kinds of labor,

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<v Speaker 2>and those who perform them are not productive workers. As

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<v Speaker 2>you can see, this has literally nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the contents of the labor itself or morality whatsoever. If

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<v Speaker 2>a dancer works for production company and gives a performance

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<v Speaker 2>you know, working for the company, that's productive labor because

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<v Speaker 2>the company has turned their capital into more capital by

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<v Speaker 2>using the dancer to produce a commodity, which is to performance,

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<v Speaker 2>and then selling it. Right if that same dancer puts

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<v Speaker 2>on the same performance in the same place for a

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<v Speaker 2>crowd of you know, just like their friends or even

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<v Speaker 2>the same people, but who aren't paying a production company

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<v Speaker 2>for it, Suddenly the dancer, who again is doing the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing in the same place like even could be

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<v Speaker 2>on the same day, is doing non productive labor because

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<v Speaker 2>no capital is being created from it. Or, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's how Marx puts it, labor with the same content

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<v Speaker 2>can therefore be both productive and unproductive. Milton, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>who did Paradise Loss, was an unproductive worker. In contrast

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<v Speaker 2>to this, the writer who delivers hack work for his

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<v Speaker 2>publisher is a productive worker. Later on, Milton sold the

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<v Speaker 2>product for five dollars, and to that extent became a

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<v Speaker 2>dealer in a commodity. But the Leipzig literary proletarian who

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<v Speaker 2>produces books e g. Compendium Political Economy at the instruction

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<v Speaker 2>of his publisher is roughly speaking, a productive worker insofar

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<v Speaker 2>as his production is subsumed under capital and only takes

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<v Speaker 2>place for the purpose of the latter's valorization. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a valorization of capital, which is like having capital make

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<v Speaker 2>more capital. A singer who sings like a bird is

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<v Speaker 2>an unproductive worker. If she sells her singing for money,

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<v Speaker 2>she is to that extent a wage laborer or a

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<v Speaker 2>commodity dealer. But the same singer when she is engaged

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<v Speaker 2>by an entrepreneur who has her sing in order to

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<v Speaker 2>make money, is a productive worker, for she directly produces capital.

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<v Speaker 2>A school master who educates others is not a productive worker,

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<v Speaker 2>but a schoolmaster who was engaged as a wage laborer

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<v Speaker 2>and an institution alongside along with others, in order to

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<v Speaker 2>make in order through his labor to valorize the money

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<v Speaker 2>of the entrepreneur of the knowledge mongering institution is a

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<v Speaker 2>productive worker. Now, okay, reading a lot of Marx here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm focusing on Marx, you know, because whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>someone in you know, the eighteen hundreds is a Marxist

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<v Speaker 2>or not. And if you picked this like a random

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<v Speaker 2>worker in the period when this is being written, the

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<v Speaker 2>odds are really bad that they're going to be a Marxist.

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<v Speaker 2>Marx was enormously influential, particularly in Europe as sort of

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<v Speaker 2>social democracy swept through the Germany's and then communism sort

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<v Speaker 2>of swept back through Europe. In the US, and Marx

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<v Speaker 2>is also and this is something that Marx himself like

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<v Speaker 2>takes great pains to conceal a lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Marx is a kind of medium through which the broad

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<v Speaker 2>cultural consensus on labor was transformed into capital T theory.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this capital T theory, productive versus unproductive labor

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<v Speaker 2>is not a moral claim at all. It's a measure

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<v Speaker 2>of whether any given labor produces capital for the bourgeoisie. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>part of what Marx is trying to do here is

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<v Speaker 2>to intervene in existing discourse about productive and unproductive labor,

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<v Speaker 2>to turn it into useful theory instead of people just

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<v Speaker 2>yelling stuff at each other and Marks, I feel you, buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy. Taking this as a validation of what I'm doing. God,

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<v Speaker 2>here's an example I'm just going to put in here

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<v Speaker 2>of Marx being very mad about this. The self employed laborer,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, is his own wage laborer, and his own

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<v Speaker 2>means of production confront him in his own mind as capital.

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<v Speaker 2>As his own capitalist, he employs himself as a wage laborer.

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<v Speaker 2>Anomalies of this type then offer a favorable field for

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<v Speaker 2>outpourings of drivel about productive and unproductive labor. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the eighteen hundreds, people are sit being incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>normal about this. They're saying things that are great and good,

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<v Speaker 2>and only only that they're being exceptionally good. Marx isn't

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<v Speaker 2>slowly being driven mad by reading at all. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when when it's being used as a technical category, the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of productive versus unproductive distinction, you know, it can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a lot of stuff about how a capitalist

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<v Speaker 2>economy functions. But when it inevitably becomes a moral category,

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<v Speaker 2>things get very bad, very quickly. And so we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go into two times that this has gone very badly,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis and Ronald Reagan. Now, the Nazis and Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>aren't quite doing the same thing, although there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of similarities, which is, you know, to be expected from

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<v Speaker 2>a band who went to a Nazi cemetery that included

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of SS dudes and then gave a speech

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<v Speaker 2>defending his actions where he said, and I quote they,

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<v Speaker 2>which is referring to Nazi soldiers, quote they were victims

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<v Speaker 2>just as surely as the victims and the concentration camps,

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<v Speaker 2>which I I, I.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck, what are you even supposed to do

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<v Speaker 3>with that? Like, I just this guy was a president

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<v Speaker 3>of the United States. I mean, I like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know it makes sense, but like it never even crossed

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<v Speaker 3>my mind that it was like it would even be

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<v Speaker 3>possible to have a take that is, people in the

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<v Speaker 3>Nazi army are actually just as much victims as the

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<v Speaker 3>people in the concentration camps. Like I, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>baffling stuff by Reagan, I mean, I guess not baffling,

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<v Speaker 3>considering how closely his administration is tied to a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bunch of sort of Nazis who became like anti communists

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<v Speaker 2>while here were always anti coomicist, but who became part

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<v Speaker 2>of sort of like institutional anti communism and like the

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<v Speaker 2>post war era. But god, what a terrible thing I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting my shots in at Reagan now because this is

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<v Speaker 2>about to get so incredibly bleak. So yay, so okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Right is able to sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very successful in fact, in transforming this distinction between productive

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<v Speaker 2>and non productive labor into a moral category, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they infuse it with anti Semitism, and through this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of I don't know, the horror of anti Semitism, productive

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<v Speaker 2>labor is transformed into you know, productive and unproductive members

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<v Speaker 2>of society. And this is one of the origins of

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<v Speaker 2>sort of Nazi race science and race craft. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have their attempt to quote unquote purify their race,

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<v Speaker 2>which relies on a distinction between sort of productive and

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<v Speaker 2>non productive members of society who's like quote unquote value

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<v Speaker 2>and productive capacity you know, come to be seen as

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<v Speaker 2>like genetically heritable, which you know, from the Nazi perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>they are like, oh, this is stuff, this is heritable.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to do eugenics and mass exterminations of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>increasing numbers of disabled, queer communists and especially Jewish and

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<v Speaker 2>Groma people to ensure that only the quote unquote like

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<v Speaker 2>productive members society remain and like pass down their traits.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is fucking horrible. But this is also too

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<v Speaker 2>simple for an explanation for what actually happens. In order

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<v Speaker 2>to actually fully grasp the depths of what's happening here

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<v Speaker 2>and how this stuff functions, we need to go deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into specifically looking at anti Semitism, And in order to

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<v Speaker 2>do this, I'm going to turn to the great sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the great social theorist moist pistone Dressed in Peace

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<v Speaker 2>died a few years ago. Apparently a great guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but yeah, postone and his essay Anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>and National Socialism. This is something I recommend people read

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<v Speaker 2>it in full. It's a bit theoretically intense. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's important to understand what national socialism

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<v Speaker 2>actually was and what it's what it's sort of ideological

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<v Speaker 2>basis was, because it, oh boy, not only has it

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<v Speaker 2>not gone away, it you know, it's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's doing. It's doing it's doing a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of work that we've we've been sort of discussing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so what what what is what is pistone actually talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>So postone sees Nazi anti Semitism not just as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of socialism of fools where like Jewish people

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<v Speaker 2>get substituted for capitalists to see the worker and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, it's like it's it serves as function to

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<v Speaker 2>some extent, but for postone, like Nazi anti Semitism is

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<v Speaker 2>its own sort of horrific, incomplete anti capitalist system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of ghastly aryan mirror of like Marxism, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay, so, so to to get an understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of what he means by this, because this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that is you know, like it's it's it's deeply it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of theoretically intense, but it's worth it. So in Marxism,

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<v Speaker 2>this the central mystery of the commodity is that a

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<v Speaker 2>commodity is a well, I mean, central mystery isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>right word, but this is this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the opening things in capital is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is this thing called the commodity fetish.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a commodity. A commodity is simultaneously a concrete

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<v Speaker 2>physical object that nonetheless contains within it an abstract social relation.

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<v Speaker 2>It has at the same time a use value, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like, you know, the thing that makes it useful. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like take a pencil, right, pencil, it has a used value.

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<v Speaker 2>The use value is that you can like use it

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<v Speaker 2>to write things, right, and you can use it to

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<v Speaker 2>erase things. But the pencil also has an exchange value.

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<v Speaker 2>And the exchange value, you know, is the value quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote that you use it to compare it to other commodities. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like how much is this thing? How much is

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<v Speaker 2>this thing worth? How much is this compared to like

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<v Speaker 2>other commodities, And this is a that's simply an enormous

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's kind of a simplication of it. But what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening here is that the sort of the exchange value

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<v Speaker 2>that lets you compare how much a pencil is worth

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<v Speaker 2>and how much a bracelet is worth. Right, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>an actual characteristic of the pencil or the bracelet. That

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<v Speaker 2>is a serious you know that that's an embedded social relation, right,

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<v Speaker 2>is an embedded capitalist social relation that allows a commodity

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<v Speaker 2>to be compared to all other commodities by again like

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<v Speaker 2>embedding this capitalist social relation into it. The important part

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<v Speaker 2>for our purposes is that the commodity has at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time a concrete component, which is the physical object,

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<v Speaker 2>and an abstract component, which is the sort of capitalist

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<v Speaker 2>social relation embedded in the pencil that makes it appear

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<v Speaker 2>to have value. Here's pistone, as indicated above. On the

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<v Speaker 2>logical level of the analysis of the commodity, the quote

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<v Speaker 2>double character allows the commodity to appear as a purely

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<v Speaker 2>material entity rather than as an objectification of mediated social relations.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a more complicated way of saying what

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<v Speaker 2>I've sort of been trying to get at, which is

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<v Speaker 2>that the commodity, you know, because it's a physical object, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The commodity fetish allows the commodity to appear as if

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a pure physical object instead of something that

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<v Speaker 2>is produced by capitalism and contains within it capitalist social

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<v Speaker 2>relations that give it value. So we'll back back back

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<v Speaker 2>to pistone. Relatedly, it allows concrete labor to appear as

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<v Speaker 2>a purely cial creative process separate from capitalist social relations.

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<v Speaker 2>On the logical level of capital, the double character labor

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<v Speaker 2>process and valorization process. And by valorization process he means

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<v Speaker 2>the process that turns, you know, capital into more capital.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that there's both a labor process, and

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<v Speaker 2>a valorization process allows industrial production to appear as a

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<v Speaker 2>purely material, creative process, separable from capital. The manifest form

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<v Speaker 2>of the concrete is now more organic. Industrial capital can

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<v Speaker 2>then appear as linear descendant of quote natural artismal labor

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<v Speaker 2>as quote organically rooted in opposition to rootless, quote parasitic

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<v Speaker 2>finance capital. You can see here where the whole sort

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<v Speaker 2>of productive versus unproductive labor distinction has ended up right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been transformed into the sort of organic concrete rooted

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<v Speaker 2>like productive national worker and like entrepreneur versus like rootless

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<v Speaker 2>parasitic finance capital. This is unbelievably dangerous because now having

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<v Speaker 2>set the concrete against the abstract, the fascist proceeds to

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<v Speaker 2>turn the abstract into a people, which is Jewish people.

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<v Speaker 2>The result of this is that in the fascist mind,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of concrete productive worker and the entrepreneurs stand

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<v Speaker 2>against the abstract anti national finance capital personified in the

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<v Speaker 2>figure of the jew. Here's postona again of what happened next.

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<v Speaker 2>The extermination of European jeury is the indication that it

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<v Speaker 2>is far too simple to deal with Nazism as a

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<v Speaker 2>mass movement with anti capitalist overtones. Which shed that husk

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen thirty four Rome push. At the latest,

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<v Speaker 2>once dead served its purpose in state power have been seized.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first place, ideological forms of thought are not

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<v Speaker 2>simply conscious manipulations. In the second place, this view misunderstands

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<v Speaker 2>the nature of Nazi anti capitalism, the extent to which

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<v Speaker 2>it was intrinsically bound to the anti Semitic worldview. Auschwitz

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<v Speaker 2>indicates that connection. It is true that the somewhat too

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<v Speaker 2>concrete and Plebeian quote unquote anti capitalism of the essay

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<v Speaker 2>was dispensed with by nineteen thirty four, not, however, the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic thrust the knowledge quote unquote that the source

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<v Speaker 2>of evil is abstract the Jew. A capitalist factory is

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<v Speaker 2>a place where value is produced, which unfortunately has to

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<v Speaker 2>take the form of the production of goods of use values.

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<v Speaker 2>The concrete is produced as the necessary carrier of the abstract.

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<v Speaker 2>The extermination camps were not a terrible version of the factory.

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<v Speaker 2>The extermination camps were not a terrible version of such

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<v Speaker 2>a factory, but rather should be seen as its grotesque

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<v Speaker 2>aryan quote anti capitalist and negation. Auschewist was a factory

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<v Speaker 2>to quote unquote destroy value, that is, to destroy the

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<v Speaker 2>personifications of the abstract. Its organization was that of a

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<v Speaker 2>fiendish industrial process, the aim of which was to liberate

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<v Speaker 2>the concrete from the abstract. The first step was a dehumanize,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, to rip away the quote unquote mask of humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>of qualitative specificity, and reveal the Jews for quote what

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<v Speaker 2>they really are shadows Cipher's numbered abstractions. The second step

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<v Speaker 2>was to then eradicate that abstractness, to transform it into smoke,

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<v Speaker 2>trying in the process to rest away the last remains

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<v Speaker 2>of the concrete material use value, clothes, gold hair, soap. Auschwitz,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Nazi seizure of power in nineteen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 2>was the real German Revolution. The attempted to overthrow not

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<v Speaker 2>merely of a political order, but of the existing social formation.

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<v Speaker 2>By this one deed, the world was to be made

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<v Speaker 2>safe from the tyranny of the abstract. In the process,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nazis quote unquote liberated themselves from humanity. The Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>lost the war against the Soviet Union, America and Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>They won their war, their revolution against the European Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>And this ideology, this pitting of the abstract against the

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<v Speaker 2>concrete is so powerful that it was never defeated. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time the Nazis were defeated militarily, they had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by the combined might of five of the largest empires

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<v Speaker 2>in human history, they had already won, and their ideology

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<v Speaker 2>never went away. If you look closely, you can still

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<v Speaker 2>see it moving throughout the world. You can see it

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<v Speaker 2>in the left making exactly the same mistakes it made before,

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<v Speaker 2>waging war against the abstract in the name of an

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<v Speaker 2>anti capitalism that can never end with the actual destruction

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<v Speaker 2>of capitalism in that specific form. You can see it

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<v Speaker 2>in a right that openly espouses these exact same ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of pitting their nationalists and patriots against

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<v Speaker 2>the glblists, in the way it pits national American or

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<v Speaker 2>Russian or Hungarian workers against George Soros. It is the

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<v Speaker 2>basis of all modern right wing thought. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back from ADS, we're going to talk about right

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<v Speaker 2>wing thoughts other basis Ronald Reagan's rampant racism. We've now

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<v Speaker 2>seen one way that the productive and unproductive working distinction

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<v Speaker 2>can be turned into unfathomable right wing violence. And now

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to take a look at another one, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the myth of the welfare queen. So one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ways that Reagan eventually took power was by I

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<v Speaker 2>mean literally he was doing this for like a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>He does it for like twenty fucking years. It's insufferable,

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<v Speaker 2>is screaming about the myth of the welfare queen. So

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<v Speaker 2>the welfare queen for people who like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're too young to like remember what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't around for the original height of it, but like

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<v Speaker 2>I fucking remember from when I was a kid. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of like mythical racist caricature of like a

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<v Speaker 2>black woman who lives off of scamming the welfare system.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can see what's happening here pretty clearly, right,

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<v Speaker 2>This is not like a particularly subtle political maneuver. The

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<v Speaker 2>plan is to pit you know, sort of so called

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<v Speaker 2>like productive workers and entrepreneurs versus people on welfare and

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<v Speaker 2>through through the sort of incredible power of racism and

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<v Speaker 2>specifically misogyn noir, which is, you know, through the power

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<v Speaker 2>of America. Is just like specific a bideen casured to

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<v Speaker 2>black woman, the identity of the worker is transformed into

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<v Speaker 2>a racial category. So what you're actually dealing with is

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<v Speaker 2>this opposition Reagan is trying to between quote unquote like

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<v Speaker 2>productive white people who like work for a living or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know black welfare queens quote unquote who are

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on the state and don't work. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is sort of Reagan's framing of it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back to the sort of older Marxist

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<v Speaker 2>conception of class, right, like unemployed black people are like

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<v Speaker 2>unambiguously part of the working class. And this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that Reagan understood. Now, part of what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>here actually was Reagan attempting to sort of crack down

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<v Speaker 2>on black welfare activists who were doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really incredible organizing, ranging from sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, organizing mass protests to like doing squats to

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<v Speaker 2>doing like full it's full on building occupations and Reagan

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<v Speaker 2>and more so the people sort of around Reagan by

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<v Speaker 2>the end because you know, by like by like term two,

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan has like basically checked out. You know. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the people around Reagan can see which way the wind

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<v Speaker 2>is blowing, and you know, they are busy sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like lining up every fan they can find to make

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<v Speaker 2>the wind blow a bit stronger, And the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the winds are blowing is that a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 2>are about to be spat out of the capitalist system

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<v Speaker 2>and too increasingly precarious service jobs or just no jobs

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<v Speaker 2>at all. And as the sort of crisis dynamics emerged

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<v Speaker 2>and intensified, and people tend to forget this. But Reagan's

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<v Speaker 2>term started with him nuking the economy, setting off a

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<v Speaker 2>recession and jacking employment up to ten percent. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as this unfolds, Reagan sees a perfect opportunity to sever

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<v Speaker 2>what Marks would call the industrial reserve army. Who are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all the people who've been spat out of

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<v Speaker 2>the capitalist system and forced to face sort of precarity

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<v Speaker 2>and unemployment. He sees an opportunity to like to split

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<v Speaker 2>these people from workers who held onto their jobs. And

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<v Speaker 2>the way you do this is by talking about class

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that's really about race. This new sort

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<v Speaker 2>of moral division of like productive non productive worker is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly racialized, which is to say that, like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just really racist. There's no sort of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's no I'm I'm not gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>the circumlocution on that ship it is. It is really racist,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's specifically designed to pit white workers against

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<v Speaker 2>black workers. And it's also this is something we should

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<v Speaker 2>point out here, like reality has no effect on on

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of like dash repropaganda value. But like the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are on welfare who are working like they're off,

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<v Speaker 2>they're working a lot, they're working really shit jobs. They're

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<v Speaker 2>working more than the people who aren't on welfare in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cases. What's happening here, right is this

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<v Speaker 2>is this, this, this entire thing is very specifically designed

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<v Speaker 2>to pit white workers against black workers by invoking racial

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<v Speaker 2>prejudice and slightly more subtly, it's designed to remove black

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<v Speaker 2>workers from the category of labor altogether through you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of sort of means of America's like deep

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<v Speaker 2>in abiding hatred of black women. Now back in sort

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<v Speaker 2>of reality, and again bearing in mind, reality has no

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<v Speaker 2>effect on this bullshit, but you know, back in reality,

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<v Speaker 2>like the actual biggest welfare cheat of the modern era

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<v Speaker 2>is Brett Farr, former quarterback in the Minnesota Vikings. Please

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<v Speaker 2>send all complaints at irite, Okay on Twitter, far managed

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<v Speaker 2>to spend seventy seven million dollars of welfare money on

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of bullshit that includes like trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>a multimillion dollar volleyball facility built at his daughter's school.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual woman who was like the model for the

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<v Speaker 2>first like welfare queen thing like may have stolen eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. But you know this, this doesn't matter at

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<v Speaker 2>all because again, like reality's ability to combat propaganda is

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly weak. And you know, and the other thing that's

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>that's important to understand about this, right is this was

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<v Speaker 2>never actually about the money, and this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>people use to try to combat this stuff, right, which

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>people will point out and they're right that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, in order in order to like quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote combat welfare fraud, like you spend more money try

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<v Speaker 2>to combat the fraud than you save on the fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the point. That's not the point at all.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is again, like turning white workers against black

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<v Speaker 2>workers happen to be unemployed, and it works incredibly well

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<v Speaker 2>because they tap into two just really powerful wells of

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<v Speaker 2>emotion racism, and they happen to do a second one,

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<v Speaker 2>which is people hating work. But because this is the

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<v Speaker 2>right the way they tap into people hating work was

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<v Speaker 2>they transform it into the seething hatred and resentment at

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility of someone not having to have the suffering

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<v Speaker 2>that you have and doing the thing that you always

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, which is not work, and then tying

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<v Speaker 2>that to, oh, these people don't have to suffer the

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<v Speaker 2>way that I do because they're living off of like

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<v Speaker 2>the product of my labor. And you know, you can

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<v Speaker 2>you can see the sort of ghosts right of like

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<v Speaker 2>an anti capitalist critique of labor, which is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a bunch of people who like don't work

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking day in their lives off the prophecy proceeds

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<v Speaker 2>of our labors. They wear a bunch of suits and

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, they they're like seventeenth generation like descendants

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<v Speaker 2>of the Walton family or whatever. But you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is the sort of right wing version of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so through the sort of lens of racism and

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<v Speaker 2>through the sort of transformation of class and productivity like

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<v Speaker 2>into into sort of like pure race discourse, they've managed

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of, you know, they've managed to completely transform

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<v Speaker 2>the way people think about class. And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>this is a big part of the reason why the

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<v Speaker 2>way Americans think about class is so incredibly messed up,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a big part of the reason why you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States has spent i mean, spent the next

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years doing this unbelie evenly merciless like ruthless purge

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<v Speaker 2>and just like mass infliction of suffering on the poorest

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<v Speaker 2>people in the US. It's because of this shit. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is also the reason that no one, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're fucking reading the New York Times, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>will never hear anybody talk about black workers. They will

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<v Speaker 2>only ever talk about white workers. And this is because

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<v Speaker 2>that ideological project, the ideological project that Reagan was attempting

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<v Speaker 2>to do, was a big part of it was again

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<v Speaker 2>about an attempt to expel black workers from the popular

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<v Speaker 2>collective imagination of the working class. And it fucking worked.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a white pundit, you can do this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make an entire career off of study and

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote the working class only ever talk to white people,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's the only part of the working class that

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<v Speaker 2>like exists, to these people that they even will pretend matters.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know, never mentioned black workers even existing

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<v Speaker 2>at all, much less like engage with black workers is

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<v Speaker 2>like the core of the workers movements, and no one

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<v Speaker 2>outside of like actual leftist circles or even bad and

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<v Speaker 2>I no one, no one even thinks this is fucking weird, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And you can get away with this ship because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of all discourse about class is really about

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<v Speaker 2>race or gender. And you know eighty percent of all

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<v Speaker 2>discourse but race is fucking white people talking to other

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<v Speaker 2>white people. And that's what we're going to end for today.

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<v Speaker 2>We will we will come back to the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>ruling class reaction to this another time. But in the meantime,

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