1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business of Sports. The world changing and 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: what are the things we can do to transform our 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: business and engage our fans globally in different ways. People 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: are using their name and likeness to create more opportunities, 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: more states and companies. In order to turn the organization around, 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: we had to turn it around not only gets on 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: baseball operations side, but other business operations side well and 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: any other sport. Is very difficult, but I like to 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: rub my horizons and be able to expand. Sports need 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: to be consumed a lot and not to the big 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: competitive advantage for in autual property holders of sports content 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: in the media landscape. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. I'm Scarlet 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: Food with Mike Lynch and Michael bar and a lot 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: to talk about this week, especially since the NFL season 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: is in full swing. Michael Barr, You've been watching very 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: carefully because I know you have a few dollars on 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: the line here when it comes to football. There is 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: a big bet this weekend that would pay out a 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: huge amount of money. Michael, it sounds really complicated. Walk 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: us through what it involved and what happened. Now, Okay 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: for everybody out there, now, if you don't know what 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: a parlay is, this one was the sixteen game parlay. 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does that mean? In other words, 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to guess the winner of each of the 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: sixteen games that took place in Week two. So you 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: got through from the first game, then you go on 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: through the Sunday games, and this better had fifteen of them, right, 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: And then there's Monday Night football and the mighty Detroit 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: Lions take on the Green Bay Packers in lambeau Field. 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: Taron Jones got it fourth touchdown of the night. And 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 1: see the problem is the Lions don't have Aaron Jones. 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: The Packers staff Aaron Jones, and that was the fourth touchdown. 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: And this Better, who laid down twenty five dollars on 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: a sixteen team parlay, had the chance to win seven 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: hundred thirties seven thousand dollars, but the Lions did not 37 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: come through. And first of all, and I feel for you, 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: well hold on, hold on. He put down twenty five 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: dollars and he did not win seven seven thousand dollars, 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: but he did get fifteen of those bets in that Parlay. Right, 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: So did he come out with anything? Nothing, Just like 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: a lot of emotional highs in one big low. Nothing, 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: not a dog on on thing. And and that's kind 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: of emotional torture. It is. Well, that's the thing about 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Parlay's it's you have to hit each one and uh 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: that depends on you know a lot of ways you 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: can do a parley. You can do it with the 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: point spread, or you can just do it straight up. 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: There many ways you can do it. Uh, you don't 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: have to do a sixteen team parley. You could do 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: a three team barlay. Okay, you can customize it. Yeah, 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. But I don't understand 53 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: why you bet on the Lions in lambeau Field, especially 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: after you would know I love my Lions dearly. But 55 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. Well okay, maybe a couple of beers, 56 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: but it's I'm not crazy. The week one, Aaron Rodgers 57 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: got benched. Now you're talking to Hall of Fame quarterback. 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: He got benched, So you knew that week two in 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: lambeau they were going to come out with a vengeance, 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: and they sure did. Seventeen. Is this where sports betting 61 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: is a game of skill and nut luck go ahead. 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm still angry about the lions. Uh. It's it's more 63 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: skilled than playing the lottery, without question, because you did 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: a little homework. There's a lot of research and analytics 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: going on, and it's it's it's easier to win betting 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: sports than it is to win in powerball and megabooks. 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: You know when you say there's a lot of homework. Um, 68 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: they're different businesses that supply the data, and of course 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: everyone wants their names to be affiliated with that. Jimmy Pittaro, 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: the president of ESPN, spoke with Emily Chang earlier this month. 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: He was pretty tight lipped in response to her question 72 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: about whether ESPN would be licensing its name to a 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: sports betting operator. But it's really interesting to see how 74 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: far a company like Disney, which is the parent company 75 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: of ESPN, has evolved on sports betting. I mean, Bob Iger, 76 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: the CEO back in the day, had earlier said in 77 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: that he didn't see Disney getting involved in the business 78 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: of gambling by facilitating gambling in any way, but um 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: partnering with companies that offered betting information was a different story. 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Do people make that distinction, I mean between ESPN not 81 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: being involved in gambling, but also offering betting information or 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: or having its name affiliated with that. People go to 83 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: the source that they trust the most, who has given 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: me good advice, good information that has translated into me 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: winning a bet. Uh. There's also another part. When you're 86 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: betting on things, you you you you want someone just 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: to support what you're thinking. I think I like the 88 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Lions a little. What do you think? What do you think? 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: What do you think? And you might call ten people 90 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: they say forget it, forget it, forget it. And then 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: you call Michael Barr and he says take the points, 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: and he said, good, I feel good. Now I'm gonna 93 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: lay in the fifty bucks on this game. But what 94 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: what this this, this legalized gambling has done for viewership 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: of NFL games. You're gonna see going on and on 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: and on four Like the first week, it was up 97 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: a seven percent. I think from from from a year ago. 98 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: People are hanging around to the ends of the games 99 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: because they can In the middle of the game, they 100 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: can bet will I get a first down? Well, well, 101 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: who will catch the next touchdown pass? I've had a 102 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: bunch of guys last week they were watching a meaningless game, 103 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: because if they there were there were three of them, 104 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,239 Speaker 1: they would have won nine dollars if Michael Barr scored 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: a touchdown in the last two minutes of the game. 106 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: So the net effect is no game is ever meaningless. 107 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: Every game is meaningful because of all the different bets 108 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: that anyone could make. And you could do a sixteen 109 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: like Parley could do. I don't know like Parley could 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: you do or you can't because there's only two teams 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: sixteen games. And Michael Barr will tell you if you 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: have bet even ten dollars on any game and you lost, 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: and it happened thirty years ago, you can recite every 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: single thing that went wrong that cost you that ten bucks. 115 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the game. Like at 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: one time, I remember I had I had the over 117 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: in a a Monday night football game and the team 118 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: was on the one yard line. All they needed to 119 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: do was get in the end zone and scored six 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: points and I was in. They took a knee and 121 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm screaming at the TV, screaming, get in the end zone, 122 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: get in the end zone. I'm gonna win twenty five bucks. 123 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: So you remember, and you hang around, you watch and gentlemen, 124 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about the biggest stories in the world of 125 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: sports right now, and one thing that's really caught my 126 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: attention is all the attention given to Ken Burns new 127 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: documentary Muhammad Ali. I have to confess, I never liked 128 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: watching boxing on television because it's just so brutally violent. 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: But the stars of boxing really don't shine a light 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: to the greatest. Muhammad Ali, and he called himself the greatest. 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean that's how he identified himself, right. I don't 132 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: think that there's no heaven with a lie who could 133 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: who couldn't beat me? I know they're not alive, and 134 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: I would I say greatest, I mean only boxing. In 135 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: the Islamic religion, we ever saying alat walk ball a 136 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: ball means God is the greatest. So I'm not God. 137 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm just the greatest in the sport of boxing. Ali 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: not modest there at all, but that's uh, that's why 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: people love him. Yeah, Ali did boast, he was a 140 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: little bit braggadocious about his talents, but you have to 141 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: remember during that time too, is the time when he 142 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali, and there were 143 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: a number of his political views and religious view us, 144 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: and at the time a lot of people in the 145 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: United States didn't take too kindly to it. Our good 146 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: friend Jason Kelly sat down with Ken Burns, who was 147 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: doing this documentary on Muhammad Ali, and he talked about 148 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: some of the turbulence that went through for Muhammad Ali 149 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: during that time. Comes out of the Rome Olympics with 150 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: the gold medal. He's smiling, he's voluble, he knows how 151 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: to talk to a camera and a microphone, and people 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: love him. And then he starts bragging, and he starts 153 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: saying how beautiful he is, and he does the things 154 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: that athletes are sort of not supposed to do, and 155 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: particularly black athletes are not supposed to do. And so 156 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: there's a kind of step up, and people talk about 157 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: before the first Listing fight, let's shut him up, let's 158 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: put him in his place, and you can hear the 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: echoes of what that's about. And then he joins after 160 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: he defeats list and he publicly joins the Nation of Islam, 161 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: a separatist religious cult. You can't even call it a 162 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: branch of Islam. It's it's got its own problems, which 163 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: we d tale um. And then he has already been 164 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: labeled by mainstream media as a as a hate group, 165 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and there are aspects of it that are are corrupt 166 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: and hate filled, and and they are also the murders 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: of Malcolm X, one of their own, whom they expelled. 168 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, he refuses the draft and that 169 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: puts him at odds with a majority of American citizens, um, 170 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: black as well as white, who are essentially supporting the war, 171 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: at least initially, And he won't budge. He knows he 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: could get a cushy job. He knows he'd be doing 173 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: us OH shows and making appearances and mugging with with 174 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: g I's He's not going to do that. And it 175 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: is stunning, and it brings out the worst and it 176 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: brings out the best. He becomes a hero in college campuses, 177 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: a hero to a different new kind of black manhood, 178 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: black masculinity that maybe a generation before Jackie Robinson embodied. 179 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: Now he embodies Jim Brown embodies um. It's a it's 180 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: a wonderfully complicated story. And then he works his way back. 181 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's exa narrated by the Supreme Court. He 182 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: loses to Joe Fraser, but in the words of the 183 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: sportswriter Robert Lipsych. He wins America because he's trying desperately 184 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: to get back in the game, which he knows he's 185 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: losing on points, and he gets floored by Frasier in 186 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: the last round, gets up, is willing to fight. He 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: takes his defeat in a manly way, even though the 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: lead up to the fight he's he's just irresponsible in 189 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: his treatment of Joe Frasier, calling him things that only 190 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: a white racist would call another black man. And this 191 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: is one black man to another. He's made Joe Frasier 192 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: the hero of white America, and he's the hero he 193 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: believes of Black America. It's not his finest moment, but 194 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: he's amazing at the end, and begin people by this 195 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: time are beginning to realize, you know, he may have 196 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: been right on Vietnam right. Then then then he works 197 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: his way and when he wins back the championship for 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: the first time, it's one of the most magnificent moments 199 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: in the history of sports of all time. You cannot 200 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: believe that this underdog did what he did. That was 201 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: Ken Burne sitting down with our Jason Kelly. You can 202 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: catch the entire interview right on our Bloomberg podcast page. 203 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: You know what strikes me is how ahead of his 204 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: time Muhammad Ali was because he was talking about these 205 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: social justice issues that didn't win him a lot of 206 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: fans and in some parts of the market and some 207 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: parts of the world. But it was almost like he 208 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: knew he was doing it for posterity. Yeah, it's he 209 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: was a great marketer. Can you imagine he was a 210 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: self promoter? If he could do that today, oh my goodness, 211 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: is like I remember was a big deal when he 212 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: was selling dacon roach traps. You remember that it was 213 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: whatever it was. And now he today and oh my goodness, 214 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: he would He would be a multi millionaire twenty times over. Well. 215 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: One things about a Ken Burns documentary. It breathes and 216 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: it goes in depth. And this documentary, I've watched three 217 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: of the four episodes so far. Uh takes him from 218 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: the day he was born in Grand Avenue in Louisville, Kentucky, 219 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: and then he loved boxing. Uh. He did graduate from 220 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: high school. Uh, somebody didn't. Some teachers didn't think he 221 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: should be awarded a degree. His principal says, I believe 222 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: in this guy. He's going to be a success, and 223 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: so I'm going to award him his degree. And then 224 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: he went on it. As you said, he was a 225 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: great marketer, Michael Barr. When he was fighting amateur fights 226 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: and then became a professional, he would go door to door, 227 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: knock on black doors of black people and white people. 228 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: Come on down to the Louisville Boxing Center on Saturday night, 229 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: watched me fight. The more people that showed up, the 230 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: bigger payday for Cassius Marcellus Clay that was his born name, 231 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: went to the Olympics, won a gold medal in nineteen 232 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: sixty and then uh beat Sunny Listed in nineteen sixty four, 233 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he went from Cassius Clay, 234 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: a guy who yapped an off a lot, to one 235 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: of the most popular and polarize people on the face 236 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: of the earth. But he used his popularity to fight bigotry, racism, 237 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: on fairness, and injustice, everything that he had seen experienced 238 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: while he was growing up. Um. There was a shot 239 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: in this documentary about a carnival in town and it 240 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: was only for white people and white kids, and there's 241 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: a shot of all the black little boys and girls 242 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: clinging onto the chain link fence looking from the outside 243 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: in as all the white children were inside on the 244 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: ferris wheel and all the amusements in the carnival in town. 245 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: And you know, it really struck a chord and it 246 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: really define the fabric of Muhammad Ali, who he was 247 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: and why he to the day he took his last breath, 248 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: fought for fairness and fought against injustice. Yeah, he became 249 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: this global symbol of all these different conflicts and he 250 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: became bigger than himself again. And go back to the 251 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: idea that I am by nature not a fan of 252 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: watching boxing. It's too violent, it's too and it's crushing 253 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: the physicality involved. But you see someone like Muhammad Ali 254 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: and what he was trying to do, what he was 255 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: trying to communicate, um, and it quickly becomes much bigger 256 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: than boxing. Well. Yeah, And and the thing about boxing 257 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: is that you have to remember way back from the 258 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: forties and the fifties and the Gillette Cavalcade to sports 259 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: and you would see the boxing match every Friday night, 260 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: and then go on to the sixties. Obviously with Muhammad 261 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: Ali the seventies, you would still could see a live 262 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: boxing match on network TV. Back then, you know, if 263 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: you wanted to see it. They used to call it 264 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: closed circuit, so then became the eighties in pay per view, 265 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: and and and then that's when I always wonder, Yeah, 266 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: I just I just wonder if that's the point when 267 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: boxing lost that allure because you had to pay to 268 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: see this event and it's not necessarily cheap. It became 269 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: a niche event, a niche sport um and not a 270 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: mass market sport. Well, he was on live television on 271 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Wide World of Sports almost every Saturday with Howard Cosell, 272 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: and he would just build up every one of his 273 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: fights and you could mean, I only paid to see 274 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: one of his fights, the Larry Holmes fight later in 275 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: his career, but many of them were on live television 276 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: on a Saturday afternoon and you could just watch him 277 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: fight Ken Norton on Wilde World of Sports Saturday afternoon 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: at four thirty and he was just, you know, one 279 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: of these most iconic figures of the of the defect. 280 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Sports illustrated and named him as the Athlete of the Century, 281 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: and many other publications and associations did the same thing. 282 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: We have a great set of guests with us today. 283 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about saving the roar. It's a 284 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: documentary about Penn State, and I'm thrilled to have the 285 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: director of this documentary with us, Mike Nash, as well 286 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: as a former linebacker who's featured in this documentary, Michael Maudi. 287 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Great to have you guys on, so glad you could 288 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: join us and Mike Nash. Let me start with you, 289 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: because this is a film about the fallout from the 290 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Jerry Sandusky child abuse scandal. It's about Penn State football 291 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: team that confronted all these challenges and the obstacles and 292 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: overcame them. Tell us a little bit about how you 293 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: came to this story and why you decided to make 294 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: this documentary. Yeah, Hi, First of all, thank you for 295 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: having myself and Michael madion. Um. You know, this film 296 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: came to me, uh from a Penn State alumni, Bob Evans, 297 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: who sits on the board of Penn State. Uh. And 298 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, we had been talking about the film Paterno 299 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: that HBO came out with, and he said, you know, 300 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: there's there's another side to the story which I had 301 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: never heard before, and he illuminated, you know, really what 302 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: these players went through in two thousand and twelves and 303 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: that was really the beginning of of you know, us 304 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: starting to map this story out and outline it and 305 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, what was the best 306 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: story to tell on this subject. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, 307 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: come on, you know, for Mike's here, you know that 308 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: it come on. That line had to go, you know that. Anyway, 309 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: I have to ask this question. And there's so many 310 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: ways to go with this documentary, you know, And I'll 311 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: start with Mr Nash. The when you talk about college football, 312 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about six or seven home football games, and 313 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: the town small businesses they really count on those. Can 314 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: you expand more on that and and what that means 315 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: for the local businesses and the local money that goes 316 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, I'm happy to you know what this 317 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: film basically, I mean, the corgeous film takes place Um 318 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: in the summer of two thousand and twelve and then 319 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: the season, and it was shortly after the n c 320 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: a A put these almost you know, uh, death penalty 321 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: like sanctions on the university and the football program that 322 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: really began to cripple UM not only the program, but 323 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the you know, the economic impact of of the town. 324 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you have any of 325 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: you have ever been to Penn State, but it's it's 326 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: not easy to get there. It's in the middle of nowhere. 327 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: So that community survives on those six or seven games. 328 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: And you know, if if this team fell apart and 329 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: there were and Michael Maudy can get into this, but 330 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, there was an afternoon where Michael Maudy and 331 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Michael Sortag went to just to add another Michael into 332 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: the conversation. Yeah, Um, you know, went to UH coach 333 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: Bitts and coach O'Brien and you know, showed him a 334 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: list where there were thirty or you know, up to 335 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: thirty forty players that were leaving possibly that afternoon. If 336 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: that happens, that program can no longer recruit. They probably 337 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: can't even feel a team at that point. And if 338 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: those six or seven games don't take place, um, you know, 339 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking, the numbers were somewhere around 340 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: five thousand jobs um in state college you know take 341 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: place because of local tourism. Those jobs are at stake. 342 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: If if this you know, team doesn't move forward, Um, 343 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: the football program you know, brings in I think roughly 344 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: it's just under eight hundred million dollars in tourist money 345 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: that comes into that community. So there was a lot 346 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: of steak besides just the football program. And in the film, 347 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, Franko Harris states that these young kids, we 348 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: owe them everything because they not only had the past 349 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: of Penn State on their shoulders, they also had the 350 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: future of Penn State on their shoulders. And that proved 351 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: to be very true. Let's hear from one of the 352 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Michael's Michael Sortig. He is or was I Penn State 353 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: you defensive back, and here's what he said before the 354 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: start of the season. Let's take a listen. As a team, 355 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: we don't see this as a punishment. This is an opportunity. 356 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: This is the greatest opportunity of Penn Stater could ever 357 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: be given. We have a we have an obligation to 358 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: Penn State, and we have the ability to fight for 359 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: not just a team, not just a program, but an 360 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: entire university and every man that wore the blue and 361 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: white on that great iron before us, We're going to 362 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: do embrace this opportunity. I'm gonna make something very special 363 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: happening in two thousand and twelve. So Michael Um, you 364 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: know you're on the team. Uh, it was every single day. 365 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: They were satellite trucks, TV cameras all over the place. 366 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: You're probably getting ready to play Perdue or a pair 367 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: Ohio State or somebody. At any point during all this turmoils, 368 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: just say I'm out of here. This isn't worth it. 369 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: What am I doing here? What's going through your head? 370 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I think I think that thought was definitely for a 371 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: quick moment, was was there? I think it was very 372 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: quickly though. Uh you know maybe the fifth year senior 373 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: my dad had played their Ben State. Um Michael's orders 374 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: to another captain was my roommate at the time his 375 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: dad played at Ben State. You know, we just very quickly, 376 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: uh snapped out of that thought process and realized, you know, 377 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: this isn't right, and we wanted to make sure that 378 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: you know that they we could hold this thing together. 379 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: Um Now, at that point, we you know, I had 380 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: had sixty offers, you know, literally the night the day 381 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: after that, the n c A sanctioned where any player 382 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: could leave at any point. And I think a lot 383 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: of people don't realize the gravity of having that ruling. 384 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: Was they placed the whole year. Um so, so you 385 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: can imagine the difficulty and in fielding and and retaining 386 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: a team throughout that year where you know, we had 387 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: jets at the airport waiting for us from every different school. Um. 388 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: But I think it's just kind of shows you the 389 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of kids that are at ben State, and um, 390 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: we just you know, weren't gonna sit by and let 391 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: that cult through that community. Um. Really the community is 392 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: when when they rallied behind us and realized this just 393 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: came much bigger than football. So your your coach at 394 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: the time was I know him quite well, Bill O'Brien. 395 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: He came from the Patriots down there was was he 396 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: the right guy at the right time for that situation? 397 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not sure that he gets enough credit, 398 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: and he probably wouldn't take it if you try to 399 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: give it to him. But but we certainly couldn't have 400 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: gone through that without him. Um. He seemed to make 401 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: every uh right decision from a strategic crisis management standpoint. Um. 402 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: You know, we were in the war room every night 403 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: literally like um so eleven o'clock strategizing on how we 404 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: were going to rerecruit our team and what we were 405 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: gonna do. I mean, there was conversations about um, you know, 406 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: literally from the drawing board. So we're gonna have twenty guys, uh, 407 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, discussing seceeding from the Big ten, and we're 408 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: gonna do this on our own, you know, when we're 409 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: gonna cut around TV deal. It was just, you know, 410 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: it was literally crisis manager been one on what. I 411 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: don't think Bill Um because deservative credit for the way 412 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: he's handled I think it was that's perfect for that situation. 413 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: Mike Nash, let me turn to you first, because you 414 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: grew up a college football fan. You didn't go to 415 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: Penn State, Uh, but you learned a lot about Penn 416 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: State and the economics of college football. And I'm wondering 417 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: what the most surprising part of that was. Well, I 418 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: think when you really look at the story, UM, and 419 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: you realize that how close this program came in the 420 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: summer of two thousand and twelve to ending. UM truly, 421 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: you know that we call us the six Weeks of 422 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: Chaos in the movie, but this program was truly upon 423 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: its darkest hour. And if it wasn't for a group 424 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: of you know, millennials who came together and did not 425 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: leave the university, I think the economic impact of state 426 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: College Happy Valley, UM I don't think Happy Valley would 427 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: have been very happy. You know, the the the six 428 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: or seven home games are so vital to the economics 429 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: and the economic impact of that community. Obviously, what happened 430 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: with the Jerry Sandusky controversy, I mean that just all 431 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: hell broke loose. But one of the people that got 432 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: kind of caught up in this is head coach Joe 433 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: paternal You're talking about a guy who had a stellar career, 434 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: he had a stellar reputation, and all of it within 435 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: those six weeks blows up. Yeah, well, I think you know, 436 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: it starts really in the mid year eleven. Um. I remember, 437 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, we were sitting there, rested in our dorm 438 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: rooms and when we got the message, were as a Wednesday, 439 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: we were about to play in the Browse on a Saturday, 440 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: and they you know, and then and then that meeting 441 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: where Coach Internal addressed the team for the last time. UM, 442 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: you know that that's something I'll never forget. But but 443 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, me myself being the legacy a second generation 444 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: product of of coach Returnos. Um really the culture and 445 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: the ethos that he always preached and um, just hundreds 446 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: of guys that have gone through that program and the 447 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: impact that he's had on the really the whole community 448 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: in that university. Um, you know, you just can't really 449 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: do you can't say enough about that. And the way 450 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: the university handled it obviously is um. You know, there's 451 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: there's certainly feelings that that could have been held better. Um. 452 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: But that's when really the year before the two eleven 453 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: was when that term oil really really just got started. 454 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: Mike Maudy. When when the season ended and you guys 455 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: were all together, was there a feeling of like, we 456 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: did it? You know, we put the finger in the dike, 457 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: We stopped the damn from just over overrunning and and 458 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: Penn State football is going to survive? Or were you 459 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: still unshore when the season ended? Well, I mean in 460 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: two eleven, you gotta consider that we know we hadn't 461 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: brought in Bill O'Brien yet. Um. You know, February I 462 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: spoke at Coach Turner's eulogy. I'm standing next to Phil Night. 463 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, the whole community is kind of still reeling. Um, 464 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: because then but then we got through to to the 465 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: summer of twelve and and uh, you know, we had 466 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: a actually, like like Michael was saying, Nash six weeks 467 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: of turmoil, when we had three weeks where we just NonStop, 468 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: We're trying to make sure we could feel the team. 469 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: And and that's when we really, um, you know, came 470 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: to recognize that the community depending on this us to 471 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: play and and we had to play on TV most importantly. 472 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: And that's one thing coach and Brant always preached was 473 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: im in hindsight, I realized how important that was for 474 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: us to play football and play it on TV, and 475 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: and that um, I mean, you're talking about hundred hundred 476 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: seventy five million annually. It's in the in the that 477 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: community for seven home weekends and without football. Um, you know, 478 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: we didn't realize at the time. We were just twenty 479 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: when year old kids. I think that's when we became 480 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: clear that that football was really, um, you know, the 481 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: vehicle to impact a lot of people. Yeah, you're playing 482 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: for the school, you're playing for the town, you're playing 483 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: for the state of Pennsylvania in many ways. I want 484 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: to play a clip from New York Giants running back 485 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: se Kwan Barkley UM talking about the significance of what 486 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: this team managed to do when it did gather and 487 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: decide to power through the two US twelve guys are 488 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: sitting here. Um. The first thing I would say is 489 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: thank you. UM. You know because now understanding the Pence 490 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: history and the tradition, UM, how strong and rich it is. UM. 491 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: And just to think from a woman's stake, Oh, that 492 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: could have been ruined. UM. And those guys you know, 493 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: stuck through it. And those guys were there UM when 494 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: the programs as lowest and you know, in my opinion, 495 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, just having the number up there the year 496 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: of their owned stadium is not enough. Stuck through it 497 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: at the lowest point. Maudy, you were drafted by the Vikings, 498 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you played for them for two years. You then moved 499 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: to the Saints, and you played games for the Saints 500 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: to how often did this idea that you and this 501 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: core group of players um endured through that twelve season 502 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: for Penn State. Is this something that that you drew 503 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: back upon in your professional career? Certainly, I don't think 504 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: that I could go through any anything in the future 505 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: that could replicate that level of intensity and that level 506 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: um of meaning behind what you're doing in a season, 507 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: and that that fun that you create in the locker 508 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: room where well, this is all you got it's just 509 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: the guy next to you and the coaches next to you, 510 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it's just a true display of 511 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: what loyalty really mean and and commitment. And I think 512 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: I think that was, you know, ten years ago almost 513 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: you had basically the environment that you have now where 514 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: anybody could leave and and uh, you know, the doors open, 515 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think it was just a cutly 516 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: special group. Nothing really could ever replicate the importance and 517 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: the significance of you know, playing for that much, just 518 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: just like put on the helmet, that's for sure. Less 519 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: fast forward. Now you're back in the days when you 520 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: were twenty one. And now let's fast forward to about 521 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: ten years later, and you think about today, with name, 522 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: image and likeness profits, can you imagine Mundy sir, what 523 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: your life would be like. I mean, you probably would 524 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: own seven card dealerships by now. Well, I certainly there's 525 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: certainly where a lot of forty two jerseys sold then, 526 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: um and and um, you know, that's just it's a 527 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: different world now. And I think I think a lot 528 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: of um, shoot, a lot of programs are definitely taking 529 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: a reactive approach and don't really have a plan because 530 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: this is the wild West now and I've seen and 531 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: I've been working with uh well, I've certainly had a 532 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of conversations within the uh Penn Staateum tick there. 533 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: But but you know, friends of different programs across the country, 534 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: and I mean it's a new arms race basically too, 535 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: to engage the most capital in way of endorsements and 536 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: paying players to recruit and retain them, more so than 537 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: it has been ever. So I think it's a totally 538 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: new climate. And it's certainly it's certainly something that pay 539 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: attention to, you know, talking about seventeen eighteen year old 540 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: kids trying to manage and deal with a lot of 541 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: characters coming around with a lot of money and um, 542 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's important that they got the 543 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: good people around them to help them navigate. Hey, Mike Nash, 544 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch up in Boston again, what what's the what's 545 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the takeaway that you want people to have? What do 546 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: you want us to take away from this documentary? What's 547 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: the common thread that runs throughout the whole the whole piece? 548 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: Thanks Mike. I mean, I think at the core of 549 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: this film, it's it's really about overcoming adversity. It's a 550 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: it's about legacy, bloodlines, childhood dreams, and there's great lessons 551 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: within this film and within what Maudi and his team 552 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: did back in two thousand and twelve. But I think 553 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: are great lessons for you know, everybody that's dealing with 554 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: things that we're dealing with, you know, in our own 555 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: lives with COVID, and you know, we've we've certainly gone 556 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: through our own adversity recently and um, you know, um 557 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: adversity that we didn't create very similar to that team 558 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve. They had nothing to do with this. 559 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: When all of this took place with Sandusky, these kids 560 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: were four years old. You know that we're now playing 561 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: football pretended state. I think there's also a really wonderful 562 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: lesson not only for society, but for businesses as well. 563 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: And Maudy can probably speak on this more. I look 564 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: with that to myself, but you know, there's great value 565 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: and the power of coming together, um as a team. 566 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: And you know, we live in a world where it's 567 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: all about you know, there's meism, and we're all focused 568 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: on selfies and this and that. But man, when we 569 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: can come together as a team, it's unbelievable. The wonderful 570 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: things that you know are inspired and created throughout that movement. 571 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: So I think at the core of it, that's really 572 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: what this film is all about. This film is about 573 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: a group of millennials doing things that you know, millennials 574 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: traditionally aren't supposed to do. And if you like sports movies, 575 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: if you like um inspirational content, you know, if you 576 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: liked Rudy or We Are Martial, this film fits within 577 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: that same realm. My gosh, I gotta ask you about 578 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: the funding for this documentary. Penn State has a loyal 579 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: alumni base. Maudi can speak to that. Of course. I 580 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: wonder whether you had alums lining up to hipp in 581 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: or to be part of this experience of of chronicling 582 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: this team, and if not, whether they're coming out of 583 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: the woodwork. Now. You know, we actually were told that 584 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: this would be financed within a couple of weeks from 585 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: everybody that we spoke to, and that just was not 586 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: the case. Interesting, um, we actually had a very difficult 587 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: time funding finding funds for this um. You know, I 588 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: mentioned Bob Morgan earlier. He was key to all of 589 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: this UM. But as the film started to get made 590 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: and people could actually look at the type of film 591 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: that we were talking about, the name of my company's 592 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Productions. You know, I was living in Los 593 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Angeles at the times. The last time, you know, someone 594 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: from ELI made a movie about Penn State, Penn State 595 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: wasn't really happy about it. So, you know, there was 596 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: we were walking on ice a little bit when we 597 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: first started out until they realized the story that we 598 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: were gonna tell. And I think Maudi can attest this too. 599 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: When when I first sat down and spoke with Michael, 600 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: Michael had some other production companies that he had been 601 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: talking to and when he asked me, he said, you know, 602 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: how are you going to tell this story? I said, well, 603 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell the story. You guys are 604 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: going to tell the story. You know, there's not gonna 605 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any voiceover within this story. It's 606 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: going to be told through the players and and the 607 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: coaches who are who are there, who lived this, and 608 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: I think we lived you know up to that statement. Um, 609 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: But as as people from to answer your question more directly, 610 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: as people started to see this, you know, this is 611 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: really catching fire now within the Penn State community and 612 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: the college football community. We had the world premiere of 613 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: the film on Friday night. UM, Kirk curb Street, you know, 614 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: was there for Game Day. He introduced the movie after 615 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: the movie, UM finished, and he wasn't sure if he 616 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: was going to be able to stay because there was 617 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a timeline. But after the movie finished, 618 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: Michael and I were sitting in front of him. You know, 619 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: he tears in his eyes. This film took him on 620 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: a on a you know, on a journey probably as 621 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: a player and as a father who has you know, 622 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: a child playing in the NFL. This is a very 623 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: moving story for Kirk curb Street. UM. I should also 624 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: just share with you that anybody that is looking to 625 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: view this film, it's you can go to Saving the 626 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: Roar dot in dot live and that's I n dot live. 627 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: We have what is known as a kind of COVID 628 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: safe home online theatrical release that's going to be going 629 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: on for the next thirty days, six screenings a day. 630 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. That's that's really helpful information for 631 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: anyone who does want to see it. I really appreciate 632 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: your joining us today. Mike Nash is the director and 633 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: producer of Saving the Roar, which chronicles Penn State football team, 634 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: which power through and and and put together a season 635 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: in spite of the fallout from the Jerry Sandusky child 636 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: abe scandal, and also joining us as Michael Bowdy, former 637 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: linebacker for Penn State and also for the Minnesota Vikings 638 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: and New Orleans Saints in the NFL. That was a 639 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: really interesting conversation we had with Mike Nash and Michael Maudy. 640 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Mike Nash of course, the director and producer of Saving 641 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: the Roar and Michael Maudi the former Penn State and 642 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: uh NFL linebacker. What did you guys think in terms 643 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: of how it, uh, how it matches up with your 644 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: conception of the fallout on Penn State, the school and 645 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: the football program. Well, I remember recovering that and just 646 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: like Lynjay, and I remember when that all jumped off. 647 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: And this is where I go back to the Joe 648 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: Paterno days and how adored Joe pap was. When all 649 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: this went off, they literally the students were I don't 650 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: want to call it a riot, but it was the 651 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: let's let's say unrest, and they were news trucks trying 652 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: to get the heck out of there. Uh. It got 653 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: it pretty scary for a second, because the students were 654 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: supporting Joe Paw. You're talking about a guy who it's 655 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: an institution, so it's that was a really tough time, 656 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I remember it very well because Bill 657 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: O'Brien was the perfect coach at at the right time. 658 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: And and Bill grew up pretty close to me here. 659 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: He went to St. John's Prep Catholic high school. He 660 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: went to Brown University, and he was Bill Belichick's offensive coordinator. 661 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: And he said, I'm going to take the job down there, 662 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: and we all said, are you nuts? He says, you 663 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,479 Speaker 1: know you can't win down there. I said, they're gonna 664 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: take away scholarships, They've already forfeited Bowl appearances, and there's 665 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: going to be a gaggle of photographers and just running 666 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: after you every single day, asking question after question after 667 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 1: question that you have no answers for. And he said, 668 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: I think I'm the right guy to get down and 669 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: help fix this. And as you heard from Mike Maudy, 670 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: he was they lost their first two games, they won 671 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: eight or their last ten. They finished six and two 672 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten and eight and four overall. But 673 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: more importantly, he just calmed the storm. He just turned 674 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: the temperature down on the anger and the resentment. And 675 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: finally is you know, Mike Nash told us in the interview, 676 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: when this all this happened, the players on that team 677 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: were four years old. I mean and and and Bill 678 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: O'Brien is up in. Bill O'Brien has a severely, severely 679 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: ill child with cerebral palsy who takes up an awful 680 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 1: lot of his time. And he went down there and 681 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: you know, basically was the sacrificial lamb for a better 682 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: a better phrase down there, and and he took and 683 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: eventually left for the Houston Texans. But he was that 684 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: was my takeaway. And how much they were looking for leadership, 685 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: as you can tell, young young kids are always looking 686 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: for leadership, and Bill O'Brien was the right guy. Yeah, 687 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: and and a lot of the players showed a lot 688 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: of leadership as well in deciding to to stay into play. 689 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: I was really struck with what might not Mike Nash 690 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: said about the theme of overcoming adversity and coming to 691 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: other because that was the case for the football players, 692 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: for the school and for the entire town of State College, Pennsylvania, 693 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: which of course is so dependent economically on the school 694 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: and the football program, those six or seven home football games, 695 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: bringing back the crowds. UM. I think there's a lot 696 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: to be said for how that group holds together and 697 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: what it shows to their future employers. UM. That idea 698 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: that they did something they didn't have to do and 699 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: they wanted to do. It's a little bit of a contrast. 700 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: I feel like to um to the corportization of college 701 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,240 Speaker 1: football now and I might be getting really um opening 702 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: the nest here um and getting into trouble by saying 703 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: a lot of this, but this idea that everyone is 704 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: profiting off of name, image and likeness. Yes, I know 705 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: that college players have done a lot and they do 706 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: deserve a lot of the money that comes to them 707 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 1: that normally goes to the school. But this was really 708 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: about playing for more than money and for that twelve 709 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: football team, UM, it brought them together there well as 710 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: as Mike Nash said, it was at the lesson in 711 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: this documentary is how you face adversity. Do you stand 712 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: ten feet tall at the moment of truth or do 713 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: you just say I'll let someone else do it? And 714 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: these kids here when when? When? When Mike Multy said 715 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: they had a meeting one night at eleven o'clock at 716 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: night and said, thirty to forty kids maybe leaving the 717 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: program immediately. And there are corporate jets lined up on them. 718 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: They have a little airport in the top of the 719 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: hill and and uh at Penn State. And they're from 720 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: other colleges who were just like you know, picking picking 721 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: the low hanging fruit, picking players off that that wanted 722 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: to leave and go play for a school because they 723 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: didn't know what the future was gonna hold, whether scholarship 724 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: is going to be taken away with the football program 725 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: closed down, and these guys just you know, all got 726 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: together and you know, just stood ten feet tall. They galvanized, 727 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: and because of them, Penn State right now was thriving. 728 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Um that will always be that those incidents will always 729 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: be in the rib you mirror, but there'll be tiny 730 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: specks at some point. And someday two thousand eleven, two 731 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: thousand twelve is going to be a long, long time ago. 732 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: And you're right, we're talking about Penn State. And I 733 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: live in Pennsylvania and it was mentioned Penn State is 734 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 1: out in nowhere in in the state. In fact, you've 735 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: got a sign that says off to Penn State and 736 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: you're like, what, Okay, I still need GPS to figure 737 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: out where I'm going. So that little area needs penn 738 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: State and and the businesses there. That's huge for It's 739 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: a it's geographically located in the exact center of the 740 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania, and it's very hard to get to. 741 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: You either have to go to Pittsburgh and drive, or 742 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: you go to some other player. You go to h 743 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: Harrisburg and you drive, but you eventually get there. I've 744 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: been there a couple of times for games. I actually 745 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: went down just for a Wednesday press conference one time 746 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: when Joe Paterno was there, and Um, you're right, you know, 747 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: you stay downtown and I blew through the town. One time. 748 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: We would drive at night and I was staying in 749 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: al Tuna, Pennsylvania, and we drove through State College and 750 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: it's pitch black. So we just stopped and we get 751 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: out of the car. It was like the Three Stooges. 752 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: We looked at a sign and said, al Tuna that way. 753 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: We overshot at by twenty three miles. It's easy to do. Yeah. Well, 754 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: it's an exciting film and it's a story that needed 755 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: to be told, and I'm glad that they were able 756 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: to do that. M kids, it feels better to be 757 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: number one than number five. I'll wear a number because 758 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: of Mike. We have a chance to go for three 759 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,319 Speaker 1: in a row. Good numbers and a good time. When 760 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: I first started wearing the number, how we just have 761 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: been proud. Bloomberg Business of Sports. The number of the week. 762 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: All right, you know what it's time for buddle around 763 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: that week. It's a brand new season. The number of 764 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: the week. We got a brand new set. Okay, we 765 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: have a brand new chair. Okay, I just put on 766 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: some clean socks. But we got a number of the week, 767 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: folks that you're gonna alone and it's very timely. Uh 768 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: was we talked about the Riders Cup the writer. The 769 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: first Ryder Cup was in nine It was won by 770 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: the US in Massachusetts at Worcester Country Club. The competition 771 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: was four foursomes and eight singles matches. What was the 772 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: final score the United States? That was the one where 773 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: Ted Ray was at the end of his career for 774 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: the United States one. I'll say nine to three, Scarlett. 775 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: Your choice Cup is golf, and I'm betraying my my 776 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: lack of knowledge on golf here. Um, I'll say the 777 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: US one. Lyncha, what did you say it was by 778 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: there were twelve points up for grabs the United States. 779 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: I said that they win nine to three. Okay, I'm 780 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: gonna go with the one ten to two because Lynch 781 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: she always comes in pretty well and does pretty well 782 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: on this, So I'll just go one up. See, you 783 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: know it's messed up? Is that USA one nine and 784 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: a half two and a half. So we both win. 785 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: It's a tight it's it comes win. Yes, both of 786 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: you guys come up on stage. See that's my strategy. 787 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: Whatever Lynch you says, I'll just kind of tweak it 788 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: a little bit. But if we invoked the prices right rules, Scarlett, 789 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: you went over. Man, I remember that week, Man, remember 790 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: that week that you were so close You missed it 791 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 1: by like, you know, like two cents and you were 792 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: over and it was like, well I was closed. It's 793 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no, okay, all right, Unfortunately 794 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: we're not playing by prices. We all win. Hey, thank 795 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: you all. You can catch this show on Apple Podcast Monday's, 796 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and Thursdays or you know, because we're very flexible 797 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. I'm Michael Barr and you 798 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: can follow on Twitter at Big Bar Sports and I'm 799 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch. You can follow me at Lynch e w 800 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: CBB and I'm Scarlet Food. I'm on Twitter at scarlet 801 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: Food one T. This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports 802 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio