1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Y'all you watch the trial. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: You have seen the video where he beat her up. 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: Sean Combs Day seven. There was a. 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: High level witness in that high profile case, SCHARAE. Hayes, 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: aka the Punisher. We're gonna talk about it. He's gonna 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: just pull back the curtain, as they say, and we're 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: going inside a freak gault. 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: Charay Hayes, Welcome to Zone seven. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here, man. Thank you for such 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: an AUSMENTO. I appreciate that. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, listen, and I want everybody to know you 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: are a dancer, but you're also an author and we're 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: gonna get to that in. 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: A little bit. 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: I want folks to know how you came up about 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: going to Trump Tower on a special one on one event, 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: because you. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: You were a dancer for a long time. 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: You did parties, whether it was bac ceret parties or 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: private parties, and suddenly you get called to do a 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: one on one, but you didn't have any idea who 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: it was. 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: Correct. 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wasn't actually even called to do a 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: one on one. It was like a bait and switch 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: type of thing. When I was contacted, she actually said 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: it was her birthday and it was going to be 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: a small gathering of friends, so I'm expecting it to 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: be a group of people when I show up. 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: Okay, you thought it was going to be all women. 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, so that. 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: I'd be standard for you, right, Yeah, that's standard. 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, so she said it was. She did mention 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: that it was her birthday, and she said her husband 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: said she can have a dancer and she was there 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: with some friends. And that's what I was anticipating when I. 37 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: And where did you advertise? 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: So in the New York City area? I just used Google. 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: So if you put in the words, you know, mail 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: stripper Maile entertained a mail strip show. I had a website, 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: Getpunished dot com that would come up pretty high on 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: the rate. 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: So, oh well I'm sure it did. 44 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so so get Punies would get me some leads, 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: and I just the phone just wrung and I just 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: was lucky enough to pick up the call. 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that you got that call based on 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: your nickname? Because I would imagine if you're looking and 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: you've got Fred of the Dancer and the Punisher, and 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, a clown you that name would stick out 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: in that world. I would imagine, but it had nothing 52 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: to do with what was being performed. That's a nickname 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: you got playing basketball. 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely a nickname that started out from 55 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: on the basketball courts in New York City. But I did, 56 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: you know, take on that character as a performer and entertainer. 57 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna wear the level with the whip and 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: the mask and you know, have this dominating, aggressive persona, 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: so it all aligned. You know. The name wasn't wasn't 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: created based on that character, but I tried to live 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: up to. 62 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: So you get to the hotel room door. 63 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Now, I would imagine if you and I were buddies 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: and you were telling me, Hey, I've got a gig 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: tonight and I'm headed up to Trump Tower. They got money. 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not at you know, a Motel six. 67 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: Listen your spot on Because at that point, I hadn't 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: been doing private parties that much. I would when I 69 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: would get calls from them, I would refer them out 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: to like some of my friends and some of the 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: guys that worked for me. But the fact that she 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: said Trump Tower is what motivated me to do the 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: party myself. You would have said Motel six or even 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: any other hotel that I wasn't familiar with the high 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: level of it, I might have gave the party away. 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: Okay, and let me be clear, I love me a 77 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: motel six. I love you know, a mom and pop 78 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: motel on the side of nowhere. I'm just saying to me, 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: if I get a call and it's it Trump toward. 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: That's a different address. 81 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely it definitely. You know, when you're somebody 82 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: who you a big part of these parties are making tips. 83 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: Right when you hear, you know, these expensive hotels, you definitely, 84 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, take note of that because it's a likelihood 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: you can get a big tip or make a lot 86 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: of money at the party. So you know, you you 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: you you think like I think, you know, you're spot on. 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: With it, all right. So the door opens, and what happened? 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: So the door opens and literally I see, especially at 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: the time, probably the most attractive woman I've ever seen 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: in person. And to top it off, she's in a 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: bath rob barely closed and you can pretty much tell 93 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: she's nude under I would have. 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: To agree with you that she is one of the 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: most strikingly beautiful women I've ever seen, and I hadn't 96 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: seen her in person, but I'm just saying in public, 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: she's flawless. 98 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what really blew me away, because, 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: you know, especially now we live in a time with 100 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: the filters and the things you can use on social 101 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: media and the way they clean up photos, you can 102 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: make almost anybody look, you know, flawless or at least 103 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: enhance their beauty pretty easily. But I will say, in 104 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: terms of seeing someone in person, she looked like she 105 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: had a filter on in real life, Like it was flawless, 106 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Like that was the perfect word. 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: Now was that normal? 108 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: Like did you would you say, like in your thirty 109 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: year career, are most of the women strikingly beautiful, average, 110 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: below average or just a combination? 111 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: So it's a combination. So the majority of the clientele 112 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: for male review shows are bachelorette and birthday celebrations, So 113 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: the crowd is going to be diverse, and not just 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: in terms of beauty. But you got the bride, her friends, 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: you got the mom, you got the aunts, you know, 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: you got the co workers, you got so many, so 117 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: many people come along to these celebrations, so you're always 118 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: going to get a range of age beauty, you know, 119 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: even in terms of just economic lifestyle, you know, middle class, 120 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: upper class, Like everybody comes to these events, so it's 121 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: always a wide range. So I'm used to seeing a 122 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 3: crowd that's very diverse. 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: Okay, but this you noticed there's nobody behind her. 124 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So when she opens the door, you know, 125 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: we're at a suite, so she, you know, obviously invites 126 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: me in. And again I'm expecting a room full of people. 127 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: And shortly we get in. We walk into the living 128 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: room area and it's pretty clear to me that there's 129 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: no party at the time. It's just me and her, 130 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: and you know, it's the ambiance set the light to them. 131 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: It's candle lit. All of the furniture is covered in sheets, 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: which was obviously odd initially walking in. And you know, 133 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to feel the situation out because I 134 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: never walked into a. 135 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Scenarioly, you know, I would think somewhere between maybe thirteen 136 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: and seventeen, most boys would almost think, Man, if I 137 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: am a males court, I'm gonna have beautiful women hey 138 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: me to have sex with them, like have to date. 139 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to go find somebody. They're gonna call me. 140 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: But this is actually happening to you that you are 141 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: standing there, there is this beautiful woman that is fixing 142 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: to pay you to do whatever. What are you thinking 143 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: is fixing to go down? 144 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can honestly say as a male stripper, 145 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: that is kind of like a fantasy scenario that we have. Also, 146 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: you know, you walk into these parties all the time 147 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: and there's obviously you know, groups of women, and we 148 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: even fantasize about that that fan, that special client, right, 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: that client that's gonna call you up and she's gonna 150 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: be smoking hot, just infatuated by you and just you know, 151 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: pay you for just being sexy. You know. It's kind 152 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: of like the biggest ego strip for a man that 153 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: you can get. Sure. So that is something we all 154 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: kind of like speak about and hope for and and 155 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: and it's and it happens from time to time, it does. 156 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: But that's the epitome of what you want the business 157 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: to be, like, you want to you know, listen, it's validating, 158 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: and it feels great to just get a compliment walking 159 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: down the street, you know, and you know, as men, 160 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: that's that's rare, right, It's it's kind of a societal 161 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: norm for women to get complimented and not all the 162 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: times in the best way. You got cat calls and 163 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: stuff like that. But listen, I walk down the street 164 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: all day. Women could cat call at me all they want. 165 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: I would never get tied to that. So, you know, 166 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: so it to be in this type of situation where 167 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: a woman it's attractive, it was. It's extremely validating, like 168 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: it's validating as a man, and it's an ego stroke. 169 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: I definitely walked around with a with a chip on 170 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: my shoulder feeling like I am the man. You know. 171 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. 172 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: If I opened up a door and there was Matthew 173 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: McConaughey and you know, Denzel Washington and they wanted to 174 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: pay me. 175 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: What I mean, I would tell everybody I knew. 176 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a validating. 177 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so you go in and the first thing you noticed, 178 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: there's sheets all over the furniture. What's that about? I mean, 179 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure we know, but what's that about? What's going 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: through your mind? Now? 181 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: Well, my first my first story process was I had 182 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: a momentary. I got scared. Ironically, I had just watched 183 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: maybe a few days before, this movie called American Psycho. Yes, 184 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: and that guy would not sheets, but that guy would 185 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: cover all his furniture and plastic. Wait before he was 186 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: gonna urn somebody a hot for a moment, I was. 187 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: Like, Oh, you're thinking somebody's husban been fine, somebody's husband 188 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: finally caught up with you. Yeah. 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: I don't put somebody off. They got you know, so, 190 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 3: but you know we're gaining my composures. She she didn't 191 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: immediately explain to me because I inquired, Hey, look do 192 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: you want me to change? I can dance, and she said, look, 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: I don't want you to dance. She explained that, you know, 194 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: me and my husband like to said a sexy scene. 195 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: We're gonna use baby all and you know, mutually massaged 196 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: and make it look hot. And my husband's gonna come 197 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: out at some point. And why so I was able 198 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: to put together the sheets was to protect the furniture 199 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: from the baby all. 200 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Gotcha. And she gave you a choice of what to wear. 201 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, she said, you know, don't change into any of 202 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: my dance attire or whatever. I can either come out 203 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: and just my underwear or a towel, and I chose 204 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: the lotter a towel. 205 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: Now, normally, are you prepared to have sex with a 206 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: client or or just dance. 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: Just dance. Sex is something, you know, Like I explained earlier, 208 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: I'm usually showing up and it's the bride, the bride's mom, 209 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: the mother in law, So forget sex happening. Like the 210 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: dance is not even going to be intimate. It's gonna 211 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: be more of a fun, entertaining vibe. So I'm not 212 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: expecting that at all. 213 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I was asking, because I don't 214 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: even like our dog to be in the room watching. 215 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, put traveler in the other room, you know, 216 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: so I can't imagine all of a sudden her husband 217 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: is coming out because you don't normally, well, I don't 218 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: think you ever dance for men, and you certainly don't 219 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: have a man watching you while you're with a woman. 220 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, that is correct. Man. So it was an 221 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 3: extremely awkward scenario that you know, listen, it was presented 222 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: to me the right way because I never got a 223 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: chance to actually answer the minute she explained to me, Hey, look, 224 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: I want to do this scene and my husband's going 225 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: to come out to watch at some point. This is 226 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: for you. And she handed me a lot of money, 227 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: and I will honestly say, once that money hit my hand. 228 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: I was pretty much in agreement, you know what I'm saying, 229 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: because I was not trying to hand the money back, 230 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: you know, so I was like, I gotta try to 231 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: make this work. You know, no refunds, you gave it 232 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: to me already. So however this goes, it goes. 233 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: You know, however it goes, it goes. 234 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: When you're talking about a lot of money, So you 235 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: go there to dance, suddenly you're no pun but thrust 236 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: into prostitution. That was not what you were there for. 237 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: But again, it's hard to walk away from a handful of. 238 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: Cash and listen, I'll be honest with you, and from 239 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: a men's point of view, and this, all this stuff 240 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: happened twelve thirteen years ago, and it did not present 241 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: itself completely clear to me that I was participating in 242 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: prostitution until the investigators showed up at my house. And 243 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: it's not that I didn't understand what prostitution was, but 244 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: I think from a standpoint of just showing up doing 245 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: all of these parties where it's two hundred bucks to dance, 246 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: two hundred bucks to dance, two hundred bucks to dance, 247 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: and now this time it was just okay more money 248 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: to create the scene, and I did not naively or 249 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: just not thinking clearly. I was not really all the 250 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: way aware of wow, I'm committing a crime right now, 251 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: you know. I really didn't evaluate it to that point 252 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: till after the fact, and lucky for me it was 253 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: after statute of limitations, because that could have been in trouble. 254 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him such a good con artist. 255 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: I think he gets people to break the law before 256 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: they realize they've done it, and then he's got them 257 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You can't go tell a 258 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: bunch of people because you would get in trouble. I 259 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: think that's part of his genius. That's my personal opinion, 260 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: and that I think that's the women, the men, the 261 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: security guards, the housekeeping. Everybody around him is benefiting, so 262 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: they're not gonna call anybody in tell and then they realize, 263 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: oh wait, I did go buy drugs for him, or 264 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: I did go get this girl in Kansas and bring 265 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: her to LA or whatever the situation was. 266 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: So that's the way I see it. 267 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: But for you, I mean, again, once that money hit 268 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: your hand, now we've had a transaction. 269 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so ironically, you know, jumping ahead a 270 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: little bit and you can, you know, we can dial 271 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: it back. But another thing I noticed after the fact 272 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: was there was never ever any direct communication about sex. 273 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: The very first time, it was we're gonna set this scene. 274 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: And after the scene was set and we just did 275 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: you know the baby or massage or whatever, she essentially said, hey, 276 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: everything that was great, everything was great. We can stop now. 277 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: She walked out of the room and followed mister Combs, 278 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: and then she came back in and then offered me. 279 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: She paid me and then offered me, would you like 280 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: to finish? And like to finish? Is now us actually 281 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: having penetrated sex? But it was after she paid me, 282 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: and she made it my choice. 283 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: Of course, And even the sexual stuff was directed by 284 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: him to her, not to you. 285 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: He never told you to do anything. 286 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: It's like loophole, loophole, loophole because for prostitution you have 287 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: to offer to do ABC or D or all the 288 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: above for a certain price. You got to have that, 289 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, very clearly stated. So it looks like this 290 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: is a workaround. 291 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: You know what. I've done a gazillion podcast at these 292 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: points and spoke to so many people about it, and 293 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: I will have to say That was very brilliant of 294 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: you to point it out in that manner. This the 295 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: first time somebody's ever presented it as a real clear, 296 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: methodical way of you know, working loopholes. 297 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: I understand hustlers, I understand corn artists, and to me, 298 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: that's all he is, straight up, he is straight level 299 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: with it. I don't think he hides it when I 300 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: hear about how he moved in these different circles and 301 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: with all these different people, and how he got everybody 302 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: caught up. Everybody that's ever had their picture with him 303 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: now don't want it out there. I mean, he's so smart, 304 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: he's connected to everybody. But again, this is a con 305 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: just on a different level, that's what it is. 306 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. 307 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: Do you have in your things that you put out 308 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: as far as your advertisements or when you meet with people. 309 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: Are there any code words? Like if somebody. 310 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: Does ask for a massage, is that what she's asking 311 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: for or is she asking for something else? 312 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 3: I've always been a male dancer, right, and that's all 313 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: that I've advertised myself as. But you do get propositions, 314 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: and you know what a proposition from a woman looks 315 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: like is do you do one on ones or do 316 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: you do massages? Women typically don't overt to say hey, 317 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: how much for sex? You know, that's just not in 318 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: the language. So you learn over a period of time 319 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: that when you getting inquired for one on ones or 320 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: massages or just things that just are are intimate kind 321 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: of companion type of things, out of the scope. You know, 322 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: there's probably an expectation of sex, but it's not directly 323 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: communicated or asked for. So yeah, I would say those 324 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: are the cold words. And then when you do as 325 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: of late, you get you know, similar to what happened 326 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 3: in the trout, there's a big movement on really men 327 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: that went to hire guys to sleep with their wives 328 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 3: and girlfriends. It's a huge you know kink, you know, 329 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 3: acceptance of this that's making it very normal. And those 330 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 3: are very. 331 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Direct, you know, yeah, that needs to be pretty direct, 332 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: I would imagine. 333 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's very very direct. Where the guys just hey, 334 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: I want to hire you from my wife, and then 335 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: they're usually selling their wife. You got to see her, 336 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 3: she's hot, and then they want to send pictures of 337 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: her and it's crazy. 338 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: So when mister Combs entered the room, you did not 339 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: know who it was because his face was covered describe 340 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: what he looked like. 341 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: He was always quite a distance from me, and one 342 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: of one of my initial instructions was I was not 343 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: supposed to look at acknowledge or have any communications with her, 344 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: you know, what was presented to me her husband. So 345 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: anytime that I did see him, I had to do 346 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: it like with my peripheral so I could clearly see 347 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 3: that he was nude, but he had his face covered 348 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: with what the Muslims women were like, I believe it's 349 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: his job, and you could only see the eyes. So 350 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 3: that visual right there enough was like what is going on? 351 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: You know, because you know, first and foremost, I don't 352 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: think he's gonna walk in nude. And then even with 353 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: him being nude and having his face covered, it's just 354 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: it's just a very odd optic that is a combination 355 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: of attire or lack of attire that I probably will 356 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 3: never see again in my life, adult nude male and 357 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: a female Muslims head covering, you know. So it was 358 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 3: just very very odd scenario to try. And then now 359 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: I can't look straight at them, so now I got 360 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: to take this in from a refewal vision. So it 361 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: was very very awkward. 362 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: And you also have to be aware of your safety. 363 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to make sure this guy's not 364 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: going to all of a sudden get angry and flip out. 365 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: You got to make sure that you're performing because they've 366 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: already paid you. I mean, you've got to, I guess, 367 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: maintain both sides of what you're trying to do, protect yourself, 368 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: and complete the job. 369 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: Definitely, it's definitely a difficult space to try to get 370 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 3: your mind into what you would expect your headspace to 371 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: be in an intimate sexual moment. Like, it's just too 372 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: much other stuff to worry about. 373 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: In my business, I believe in go into the source. 374 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: Tonight is no different. So in my phone I have 375 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: the number of an ex Imperial Wizard of the Klan, 376 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: and a mafia hit man and now amel Escort. 377 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: So my husband sometimes says, what in. 378 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: The world is that poor rookie detective going to do 379 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: if something ever happens to you. You've got all these 380 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: people in your phone, and I'm like, honey, make him 381 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: work for it, okay, let him try to figure out 382 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: who in the world was you know, she's fooling with 383 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: all these different people. So Number one I appreciate having 384 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: your private number in my phone, mister Hayes, and number 385 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: two again, I appreciate so much you coming here and 386 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: just being. 387 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: So just straight up, here's the deal. This is what happened, 388 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: this is when it happened, this is how it happened. 389 00:22:49,560 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: And I told the truth the best of my ability.