1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. Drawing from her decade 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: long experience as a libertarian voice at Fox News and 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: as a comedian co anchor of the popular late night 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: show Guttfeld, Kat Timf provides a unique viewpoint on how 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: refusing to choose sides can lead to surprising and often 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: enlightening outcomes. Her signature with a voice and unique perspective 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: makes her new book I Used To Like You Until 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: an entertaining read, inspiring readers to reconsider how they think 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: about complex issues and engage with those around them. Kat 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: is a firm believer in the power of conversations to 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: bridge gaps, political or otherwise. Here to discuss her new book, 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: I Am really pleased to welcome my guest, Kat timp 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: She's a writer, comedian, and libertarian commentator. She's currently the 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: co panelist to Get Felt on Fox News weeknights at 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: ten pm and a Fox News analysts. She's also the 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: author of the New York Times bestseller You Can't Joke 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: About That Why Everything is funny, Nothing is sacred, and 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: We're all in this together. Kat, Welcome and thank you 19 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: for joining me on news World. 20 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: I must say you know, it's very challenging to be 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: a comedian and to intuit what audiences will respond to. 23 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: And you've really done a remarkable job. How did you 24 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: get into doing that? 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: Thank you well. 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: I first got into comedy actually back when I lived 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. It was after college. I was kind 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: of struggling. I had gotten into Columbia journalism school, but 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: I couldn't afford to go, so I on' enrolled and 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: I decided to instead kind of learn these skills for 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: free by interning working in restaurants. I eventually lost my 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: apartment and things were a mess. 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: I found that. 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: Going and talking about these things, making jokes about them 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: on stage, it gave me a sense of power over 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: the things that were making me feel so powerless in 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: my life. And I think, truly it's sad that I 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: think it is difficult people do cut. There are some 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: people who will say, oh, you can't joke about this, 40 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: you can't joke about. 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: That, you know. 42 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: I think that for me, the toughest things in my 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: life are the most important things for me to joke about, 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: because that's how I learned to get through them. 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: You make me think that maybe you have a future 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: book called from powerless to powerful. 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I did two books in two years. 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: I don't know about doing three though in a row, 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: because I am having a baby in February and I 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: hear those take ups some time. 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: Congratulations, thank you, that's wonderful to have a baby and 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: gut Field all at the same time. 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: I know it's true. 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: That's wild. I've always thought that he is one of 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: the most unique personalities on television. Just for a second, 56 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: what is it like to interact with him? 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we really have fun, and I think 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: that you can see when you watch the show that 59 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: we have fun. And something I'm so grateful for about 60 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: being on that show is goitheld and I don't always agree, 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: but that's okay. I've never wanted to say something on 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: the show, whether it's making a point or making a joke, 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: and been told I can't, which The more I learn 64 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: about other people's situations, I tend to feel more and 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: more grateful that I have that freedom. 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: You've written I used to like you until to talk 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: about the divide we have in the country politically and otherwise. 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: There's a great quote in your introduction to the book 69 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: that kind of sets the tone for everything you say quote. 70 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: All too often we will let a single difference in 71 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: viewpoint or association be enough to write off other person entirely, 72 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: even if we know nothing else about them. I think 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: that's a very profound insight. How did you come to that? 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: I've dealt with it in my life, as I think 75 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: many people have. I just working at Fox News. Oftentimes 76 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 3: people will think, oh, you work at Fox News, therefore 77 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: you're this whole list of things. 78 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: I'm going on tour. Also again with my show for 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: the second book. 80 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: Too, and I've had theaters for my tour be oh, 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: we're not working with you because you work at Fox. 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: Just that it tells you everything you need to know. 83 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: And I can get it on both sides sometimes because 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: I am independent. So sometimes the viewers of Fox will 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: say if I say one thing that's critical of maybe Trump, 86 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: or maybe we're a Republican, or it's just not it 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: doesn't fit in with what they think, they can get 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: really mad. But then people on the left, I've found 89 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: fairly often won't want to talk to me at all, 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: just because I work there to begin with, and as 91 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: somebody who works there, though, it's just it's wild because 92 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: it's so different from my experience where I do have 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: a lot of friends that are very conservative who are 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: huge Trump supporters that are my close friends. I also 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: have friends that are very left wing who are my 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: close friends, and those are all very valuable relationships to 97 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: me in some way, because I think a lot of 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: these issues are nuanced and complex, but people are always 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: nuanced and complex, and I think that's something that we're 100 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: really losing in the prevailing discourse. 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: Now in that sense, do you find there are some 102 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: things you don't talk about to your left wing friends 103 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: and some things you don't talk about to your right 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: wing friends. 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have that luxury. 106 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: But when I give my opinion for a living, I 107 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: feel like everybody ends up knowing where I stand on 108 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: everything anyway. So maybe we don't talk about it as much, 109 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: but they know where I stand anyway. And you know, 110 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: there are Fox viewers that come to my shows, my 111 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: live shows, or these are Fox viewers, and a lot 112 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: of them will be very conservative, you know. So it's 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: not that everybody's like this, because as divided as we are, 114 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: we're not as divided as I think media and politicians 115 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: want us to think we are. Because the more divided 116 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: we are, the easier we are to control. And I 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: think that in this book I really shed a light 118 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: on a lot of that. And also it serves as 119 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: sort of a guide for how to connect with somebody 120 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: who might be different from you, which is to lead 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: with what you have in common, because we're being conditioned 122 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: to believe that just because someone's in the opposite political 123 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: party or even has a single different view let's say 124 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: a different view than you do on guns, then that 125 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: tells you everything you need to know about the person. 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: You can never have anything in common, and that's simply 127 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: not true. 128 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: That's interesting because you have a remarkably broad and comfortable 129 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: view about people. Did you learn that from your parents 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: or how did you come to this ability to interact 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: with and synthesize with people who are very different. 132 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: I've lived a lot of life in a short amount 133 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: of time. I mean, I've gotten out, I've lived in 134 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: various places. 135 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: I do comedy. I know a lot of these comedians. 136 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: I work at Fox News, and I think it is 137 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: natural to have certain biases and draw connections about people, 138 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: So you do have to work against that. And for me, 139 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: it's just when I approach someone or I meet someone 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: who's different from me. I approach it with a sense 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: of curiosity rather than judgment, and it's worth it. 142 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Right. 143 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: It does go against our conditioning a little bit, but 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: you can really learn a lot. You're not operating off 145 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: these false assumptions. You're going to actually learn who the 146 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: person really is. That can help you also creatively, It 147 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: can help you in so many different ways. For me, 148 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: I found it always to be worth it. I mean 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: a lot of these relationships I can't imagine my life 150 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: without them. So I'm really glad I've been able to 151 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: view the world this way. I love to be wrong 152 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: about a person or about something, because that means you're learning. 153 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: When you're on the circuit. Do you go to comedy clubs? Yeah? 154 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: So I do a mix of theaters and comedy clubs. 155 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I've always thought because I think comedy is in some 157 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: ways the most challenging hard form because you've got to 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: have the audience react or it's not gonna work. I mean, 159 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: you can do drama, make an react or not. The comedy. 160 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: When you look at at an audience, what are you 161 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: feeling about whether or not is this the night? They're 162 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: not going to respond? 163 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: Every time? 164 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: I mean every time, and obviously I keep doing it 165 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: because it usually goes well. But everybody, I mean every 166 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: now and then, you still have the time when it 167 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: doesn't go well. And just like there's no better feeling 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: than it going well, there's really no worse feeling than 169 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: when it doesn't go well, especially because a lot of 170 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: my jokes do draw on some of my personal experiences 171 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: in my life. And you know, I'm just being open 172 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: with these people trying to make them laugh, and they 173 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: just sit there stonefaced. 174 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: It's horrible, quite honestly. 175 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: But I mean I've quit comedy several times and I 176 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: always come back to it though, because I really love it. 177 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: I think it's also such a great tool to communicate. 178 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: I mean, whether you disagree or not, people like to 179 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: laugh so well, people are more likely to listen to 180 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: what you have to say if you're being entertaining about 181 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: it too. 182 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: So when it does work and they're rolling with laughter 183 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: and they're applauding, do you get a really good high 184 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: coming off the stage. 185 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's the best. It's the best feeling in 186 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: the world. It's what keeps me coming back. I think 187 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: I'm done with it, and then I'm not done with it. 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going back out on tour this week. 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm going all over the country. I'm touring pretty much 190 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: every weekend until my doctor says I can't fly anymore. 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you and the baby are 192 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: on tour. 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: I was going to say, this baby's already very well traveled, 194 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: and it's going to be even more so. I'm doing 195 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: February and I'm touring through the middle of December, so 196 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to be very pregnant. 197 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: Along the lines of audience reaction. Years and years ago, 198 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: I talked to the quarterly meeting of the South Fulton, 199 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Georgia CPAs all these guys who are accountants and I 200 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: went in and it was an after dinner kind of talk. 201 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: I was the congressman at the time. I did every 202 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: single thing I knew to get people to applaud sat 203 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: there with totally stone faces. Nothing worked, and I felt 204 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: like I was a total failure and I couldn't figure 205 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: out what was wrong. And after the program, this one 206 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: guy comes up to me and he says, God, that 207 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: was wonderful, and I said really, I said, why was 208 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: the no reaction? He said, well, you know where accountants 209 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: and we don't react to anything. It's the only time 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: in my career where it was like nothing would work, 211 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: nothing would pull them out of their chairs, and it 212 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: was just wild. So I'm sympathetic to the idea that 213 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: there's this little butterfly effect just before you walk on 214 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: stage and you hope this is not the night you 215 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: finally encounter the audience they can't laugh. 216 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: And it rarely is, but every now and then, and 217 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: it's tough because you know pretty quickly and then it's like, 218 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: oh boy, I'm up here for forty five minutes. 219 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: One of the things you comment on is that one 220 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: of your early jobs was working at National Review, in 221 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: that it was a very challenging time in your life. 222 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: What did you learn from that National Review experience. 223 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: I learned so much from the National Review experience. I 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: liked that National Reviews a little more big tent, right. 225 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: I mean, all the writers are in some ways conservative. 226 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: You know, I'm libertarian, you know, small l I'm not 227 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: a member of the Libertarian Party because I do think 228 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: that the Libertarian Party can be embarrassing, sadly, so I 229 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: would disagree with a lot of the writers on some things. 230 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: But I mean, I was so excited for this opportunity 231 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: to work at National Review. I was living in a 232 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 3: horrible neighborhood at that time. My mom was sick. She 233 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: was diagnosed with a rare illness, and she ended up 234 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: sadly dying a matter of maybe three weeks after that. 235 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: But I started working there July thirty first was my 236 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: first day, and my mom died November fifth, So it 237 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: was very very soon after this that things took a turn. 238 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: So I had this new job. 239 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: I didn't want to make it weird by telling them 240 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: what was going on in my life. But when she 241 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: ended up being treated at a hospital in Boston, she 242 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 3: had cardiac amlidosis. 243 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: So it's a rare disease where your. 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: Body creates a protein that your liver can't break down, 245 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: so it builds up on your organs. 246 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: So it was building up on her heart. 247 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: And there's only one hospital in the country that specialized 248 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: in and that was in Boston, so she was being 249 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: treated in Boston. We found out she was diagnosed. I 250 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: had this whole plan that I was going to go 251 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: meet with Jack Fowler was then the publisher, and then 252 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: Rich Lowry, the editor in chief, And I called this 253 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: meeting and I was like I was gonna explain them. 254 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: What's going on, just so they knew. And I sat down. 255 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: I had never had a meeting before with these guys 256 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: other than my interviews that I had. I just started 257 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 3: and I just started sobbing. I mean not crying a 258 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: lit but like you know, the snotting, hyperventilating, full on, 259 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: just body shaking, sobbing. 260 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: And I just told them everything that was going on. 261 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: And BOYD does that forge a relationship and fire in 262 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: two seconds to have something like that. And I told 263 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: them what was going on, and they were the kindest people. 264 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 3: They weren't just like, oh, let. 265 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: Us know if we can do anything. They did. 266 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: They tried to figure out what they could do. I mean, 267 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: Jack Fowler reached out to my father. They're still friends 268 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: to this day. Rich was always trying to give me 269 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: train points because I was very broke. I was taking 270 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: the bus to Boston and then there was this one 271 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: day where she was transferred to the ICU and the 272 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: bus broke down when I was on the way back 273 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: to New York and I had like a meltdown. 274 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 2: I came back to the office. I was late. 275 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: I told them what happened. I got an email later 276 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: from Rich Lowy's rife just informing me that their Amtrak 277 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: points had been transferred to my account. 278 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: They weren't taking no for an answer anymore. 279 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 3: And when you think about these are people I disagree 280 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: with on several political issues. Right, I don't know where 281 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: i'd be without the career stepping stone of National Review. 282 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: But I also don't know where I would be in 283 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: my life if I hadn't had that support. This was 284 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: ten years ago now, and I can't believe it's been 285 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: that long, but where I really needed it so badly, 286 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: And I think that we really need to remember the 287 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: humanity in one another and the way that we talk 288 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: to each other, because this is the kind of stuff 289 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: that life's about. 290 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Your first book, you can't joke about that you did 291 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: a forty city tour. Yeah, I mean that, having an 292 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: occasionally in my career barnstorm, a forty city tour is 293 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, what did you learn? I mean, 294 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: in terms of meeting America, you were all over the place. 295 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: I tried to go to various types of places as well. 296 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: I went to Portland, Oregon, but I also went to Midland, Texas. 297 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: I went to Saint Louis, but I also went to McPherson, Kansas, 298 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: and honestly, I was writing this second book, this new book, 299 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: while I was on this tour, because I really kept 300 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: finding as different as a lot of these people were. 301 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: And believe me, oil rig worker, you know, in the 302 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, very different than somebody who works as 303 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: an accountant somewhere else. 304 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: People were coming up and. 305 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: Talking about a lot of the same things to me 306 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: because I talk a lot, I do share a lot 307 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: of personal stories in my writing. I tend to do that. 308 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: I think vulnerability is a huge way out of this mess, 309 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: because when you show you're human, people are more willing 310 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: to treat you as a human. So people come up 311 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: in the meet and greets, and I love meeting people, 312 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: and they tell me some things they've been through they 313 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: related to this and to that, and it's just like, 314 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, boy, we really do have a lot more 315 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: in common. We certainly have different ideas about how to 316 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: get there, or maybe we have different approaches to situations, 317 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: but we all really want a lot of the same 318 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: things out of life, and we're all worried about a 319 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: lot of the same things. 320 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: We value a lot of the same things. 321 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: And that was really clear to me when I was 322 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: going to places that were so different, read and hearing 323 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: so much of the same things. 324 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you had this really diverse range of human contexts. 325 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Did you do anything particular to prepare for the difference 326 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: between a Portland, Oregon audience and a Jackson, Mississippi audience 327 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: and a McPherson, Kansas audience. 328 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: You know, I honestly didn't. I mean a little bit. 329 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: The show changes a little bit in terms of audience interaction, 330 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: but my show is really about kind of some of 331 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: the things we have in common, and I have for 332 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: this new tour, I do have a lot of new material, 333 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: so the show also did change as time went on. Though, 334 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: So the show that was the first show that I started, 335 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: by the end, I had it pretty well figured out 336 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: and know exactly what I wanted to say, yes and no, 337 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: I suppose I mean certain things which you know, maybe 338 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: audience interaction, but it'd be pretty much the same, which 339 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: is a very interesting thing about comedy because you'll get 340 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: different reactions to the exact same thing depending on where 341 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: you are, or do you depending on what day it 342 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: is the same place, right, Yeah. 343 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: So in a sense, and I think this is part 344 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: of what makes comedy both so challenging and so rich. 345 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: You really have to interact with your audience for comedy 346 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: to work. You know, you can do drama on the 347 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: stage and the audience likes they don't, but in your 348 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: case as a comedian, you somehow have to be dancing 349 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: with the audience if it's going to be a good show. 350 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: And as you were describing it, I mean forty different audiences, 351 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that's a lot of dancing. 352 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, it really is. 353 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 3: I mean I think that also, you know, you got 354 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: to be willing to acknowledge when something didn't work, Like 355 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: if you were going for it and it bomb, do 356 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: you have to acknowledge I go, you know, I make 357 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: a joke about the fact that the joke didn't work. 358 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: Do you find you gradually edit your show as you 359 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: figure out what works and what doesn't. 360 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: For sure, the month of August, I was just pretty 361 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: much going around New York doing stand up a bunch 362 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: of random different rooms, trying on a few different shows 363 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: in front of smaller audiences than the theaters that I'm 364 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: going to be going to soon. 365 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: So we'll see. 366 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: By contrast with your constant travel, you've actually been at 367 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: Fox for almost ten years, so you have some stability 368 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: at one point in your life anyway. 369 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, I'm very very grateful for because a lot 370 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: of times in comedy you don't have that. A lot 371 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: of times nobody puts comedian and stable in the same sentence. 372 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: But I've always enjoyed writing. I think is the thing 373 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: I'm the best at. 374 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: So I think that's. 375 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: Always been at the core of everything I do, whether 376 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: I'm writing talking points, whether I'm writing books, whether I'm 377 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: writing And you know, as long as I have that 378 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: skill and I'm honing that skill and I make sure 379 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: I'm writing every single day, which I am, then I'll 380 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: always have that. 381 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Part of how your mind thinks. You're looking around all 382 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: day for the hooks that would lead you to write. 383 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 384 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: I carry a little electronic notebook that my husband got 385 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: for me with me pretty much everywhere I go, and 386 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: I write things down as they kind of come to me. 387 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: We I'll be like, oh, this is a good thing 388 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: for me to examine, or there's something with this here. 389 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: But it's really how I kind of process things sometimes 390 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: is through writing, for sure. 391 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: Well, you know, in terms of processing you have a 392 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: very interesting and I think very important point when you 393 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: write that binary thinking is the enemy of critical thinking, 394 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: explain that. I think it's absolutely right, but I think 395 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: having you explain it will help our listeners. 396 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, binary thinking of one side versus the other is 397 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: the enemy of critical thinking because once you pick a 398 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 3: side or a lie lens, you don't have to think. 399 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: All the thinking has already been done for you, so 400 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: you get to just go along with whatever your side 401 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 3: says and call it a day. And this can be 402 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: a side or a lens, such as I'm a Republican 403 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 3: or I'm a Democrat, or it can be a certain 404 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: preconceived notion about a group of people, and then you 405 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: don't have to think anymore. What's attractive is that, first 406 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: of all, it's easy. But the problem is when you're 407 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: not thinking, you're missing out on a lot stupid things 408 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: happen when you're not thinking. 409 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Do you find in that sense that the polarization has 410 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: led to an ability to avoid thinking because you just 411 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: automatically cling to you know, whoever you're for and whoever 412 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: you're against it, and you don't have to think about it. 413 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely And I write about this too in the book, 414 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: where then conversations between the two sides they really cease 415 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: to be conversations at all. 416 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: They're more of the. 417 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: Inverse of you think of the childhood taunt, where it's like, 418 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: I know you are, but what am I. It's the 419 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: reverse of that, where you're basically saying, I know I, 420 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: but what are you? So if somebody criticizes your candidate, 421 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: you just point something out that their candidate did that 422 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: was worse, and you go back and forth and back 423 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: and forth, and nobody ever addresses any policy issue or 424 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: addresses a criticism, let alone actually have any kind of 425 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: impactful discussion about it. 426 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 2: I mean, nobody will actually address it. 427 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: One of the points you make, which I find fascinating, 428 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: is you right that binary thinking enables government corruption. How 429 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: is that true? Why is that true? 430 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: I think it really does because of the two sides. 431 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: It goes back to kind of what I was saying earlier, 432 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: but on a larger level, where if you know, as 433 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: a politician and you see this in reality that no 434 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: matter what you do, you're going to have your. 435 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: Own side. 436 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: Totally saying it was okay and not holding you accountable 437 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: for it, and only addressing it by pointing out the 438 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 3: fact that the other side did things that were so 439 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: much worse. 440 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: Then you're gonna be able to get away with more stuff. 441 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: If all of us held le accountable, regardless of political party, 442 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: they would be being held accountable. They wouldn't have that 443 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 3: easy out based on people saying, oh, it's okay, we're 444 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: all good because of the partisanside. 445 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: You conclude your book with a chapter entitled, in case 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: you still like me, let's talk religion. I mean, I 447 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: think that's a very very interesting way to sort of 448 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: wrap up the book and to get people engaged. Why 449 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: did you decide to write about religion? 450 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: Because I think so much of religion is rooted and 451 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: also the binary of heaven or hell, or you're saved 452 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: or you're not, and those sorts of things. And you know, 453 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: it's not easy for me to talk about religion because 454 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: I get a lot of backlash, not just from the public, 455 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: but from people that I know. In my personal life. 456 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: I was raised very Catholic. I fell away from it 457 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 3: sometime in my late teens. I have a lot of 458 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: respect for it. I have a lot of respect for 459 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: religious people. I wish I could be religious myself. I 460 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: hope to get there at some point. I'm not an atheist. 461 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 3: I'm agnostic. I'm a question mark when it comes to 462 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: religion spirituality. I know I'd be happier if I had 463 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: faith in something, but my mom was very Catholic and it. 464 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: Could be a sticking point between the two of us. 465 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 3: And again, not easy stuff to write about, you know, 466 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: the complicated aspects of my relationship with my mother who's 467 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: been dead for ten years. So this is one of 468 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: the chapters I was most nervous about being out there. 469 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 3: But I think it's important to discuss because I think 470 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 3: a lot of people do go through it, and I 471 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 3: think it's another thing where people kind of just don't 472 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 3: understand each other. Where for me, sometimes people will treat 473 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: me as though I'm not religious because I've rejected it, 474 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: and for me, I just can't get there. And also 475 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: it goes both ways. There can be a stereotype of 476 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 3: people who are a Christian or who are religious, stereotypes 477 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: that they're judgmental or all these other various things, when 478 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 3: in reality, I have a lot of people in my 479 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 3: life who are very religious who are not that way. 480 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: So I couldn't justify ignoring it. Even though this was 481 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: one of the more emotional chapters for me to write 482 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: and even reaching the conclusion that my mom as difficult 483 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: as it was to have that, you know, where she 484 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: focused so much on wanting me to be Catholic. I 485 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: felt a good moral relationship at times, and I wish 486 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: there'd been some resolution to that. But I understand her 487 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: point of view. 488 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that having a child will move you 489 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: any more in the direction of seeking faith? 490 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: See, I'm already in that direction of wanting it. It's interesting, 491 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 3: right because I don't know. I'm open to it. I 492 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: have those thoughts of how to explain things to my 493 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 3: child all the time, even things just as simple as 494 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 3: my husband has a mom around and I don't and 495 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: why is that? 496 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: And where is she? 497 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: And I don't know. I completely think about it all 498 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: the time. I remind myself that I need to slow down, 499 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: and like I do need to learn how to hold 500 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: a baby, and all these other things that are going 501 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: to come before or those conversations. It's something that I'm 502 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: very open to. And my mom I saw. I mean, 503 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 3: she wasn't scared to die. She didn't want to leave 504 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: us without a mom, but she was not scared to 505 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: die at all. I'm more scared of death just on 506 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 3: a daily basis. As far as I know, I'm healthy 507 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: than she was when she was dying. So I mean, 508 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: it's not that I don't see the attraction of it. 509 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: I certainly do, and I'm far from closed off to it. 510 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: So I suppose we'll just have to see, because I 511 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: already would say I have changed a little bit being someone. 512 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: Being a pregnant woman already has changed me. I haven't 513 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: even met the kid yet. I already loved the kid 514 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 3: so much, and I've not met the kid yet. 515 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: That's right, You're putting a pretty big burden on the 516 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: kid to grow up worthy of your love because you've 517 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: already got it. 518 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: I know. That's the thing is, and I get that 519 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: everybody does it, and that's why we're all here. 520 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: People used to say, like, you're not the first person 521 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: in the world to be pregnant. I'm like, well, I'm 522 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: the first person in my world to be pregnant. This 523 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: is it's crazy. You know, I've gone thirty five years 524 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: owning my own body and now I don't. And it's 525 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: crazy enough to grasp the fact that I'm pregnant, but 526 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: then the fact that the baby's going to come out 527 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 3: and live in my apartment and then grow up, you know, 528 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: and like start talking and tell me no. At some point, 529 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 3: I mean, this is truly mind bending stuff. 530 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: Well I hate to tell you this, but at some 531 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: point they actually grow up and then it gets more complicated. 532 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I hear. 533 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I have friends who have teenage daughters, and 534 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: I'm just like and I think about myself as a 535 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: teenager and we don't know we're having a boy or 536 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: a girl. I want to keep it a surprise until 537 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: after I give birth. But I am nervous. What if 538 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: I have a girl and she's like me? How will 539 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: I handle that. 540 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: I was sitting next to a group of women one 541 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: time at a hotel and about five or six, and 542 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: when they were all talking, they all had daughters, and 543 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: they were all talking about their daughters. Finally one of 544 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: them said, you know, they become human again, and about 545 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: twenty three. 546 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see my friends with teenagers. 547 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: But I think, on the other hand, it's a joyous thing. 548 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: I can say this as a grandfather. It's a remarkable 549 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: thing to look and realize that that's part of you, 550 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: and that's an extension of your life. It's a wonderful thing. 551 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: I wish you and your husband very well, and I 552 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: hope you have a very very safe trip going around 553 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: the country with the baby talking at comedy shows. I 554 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: think it's a great thing. And I have to say 555 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: I will watch you now on Guttfeld with a different 556 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: sense of knowing you than I used to have. So 557 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: this has been a lot of fun and very helpful. 558 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how happy I am with 559 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: the balance you show and with the way you engage 560 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: life and you engage people. I think it's a wonderful traite. 561 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: And maybe some of it goes back to your mother. 562 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I really really appreciate that. That's very sweet. 563 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 2: Thank you. She was a social worker. She was very 564 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 2: kind and really loved people. 565 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: That's a good thing to have and you've clearly have 566 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: carried that on and your approach to life is open 567 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: and engaging. You know, kat I want to thank you 568 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: for joining me. Your new book I Used to Like 569 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: You Until How Binary Thinking Divides Us is an entertaining 570 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: read and available now on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere. 571 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: And people can follow your work at the realcattimpf dot com, 572 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: your social media channels. 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