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Speaker 2: What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: There is something to there's something to the magic of timing,

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Speaker 2: the magic of a run. And you know, Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 2: talked about it when the Pacers won their last series,

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Speaker 2: And I think the most obvious parallel to this is

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Speaker 2: you know what they didn't do after those finals. They

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Speaker 2: didn't re up Jimmy Butler to an extension. You know

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Speaker 2: what they didn't do after those finals. They didn't you know,

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Speaker 2: they didn't re up there their starting point guard, their

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Speaker 2: We champion Lebron which was great with the Calves team

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Speaker 2: more often that we've barely seen it in the West.

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Speaker 2: The Miami Heat a couple of years ago, the Pacers

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Speaker 2: this year, the Calves when they went there with Lebron

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Speaker 2: and it was Lebron and you know, Ziljunisilgoskis and some

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler after reaching the NBA Finals. Why they weren't

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Speaker 2: too don't want to be fooled. Oklahoma City is the

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Speaker 2: best team in the NBA the regular season. They've been

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Speaker 2: the best team in the NBA in the postseason, and

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Speaker 2: a veteran physical team that would play slower, that would

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Speaker 2: every day this time with the Doug gotlib Show. In

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick on The Dan Patrick Show talking about the

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Speaker 2: new USA versus the World format in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: You're going to get at least some kind of competitiveness.

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Speaker 4: You'll have certainly pride, and that's all we care about.

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Speaker 4: When you watch, you want to know. If they care,

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Speaker 4: curious just to see how the rest of the world reacts. Now.

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Speaker 4: Team USA might not get caught up in this until

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Speaker 2: I just don't do. I think that the international players

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Speaker 5: No one say you don't belong here, right, but your

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Speaker 7: Nobody stock has risen as high as Tyres as Halliburton

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Speaker 7: He didn't even make the All Star team this year.

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Speaker 7: a great chance that Halliburton will play well enough if

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Speaker 2: he takes his team on a unforeseen finals run. That's

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who? What's annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 8: Doug. There's been a lot of news this week about ESPN,

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Speaker 8: like I guess because they have the NBA Finals, But

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Speaker 8: What was the news? Oh yeah, yours Burke. They keep

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Speaker 8: That's probably her last as on the main team. Malika

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Speaker 9: This series, Okay See Versus Indiana has sort of reinvigorated

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Speaker 10: To be honest with you, like I really don't know.

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Speaker 10: guess as a collective, more people think you're a superstar

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Speaker 8: you walk into it. So Doug, please, as a critic

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Speaker 9: This series Okay See versus Indiana has sort of reinvigorated

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Speaker 2: the conversation. But those are wasted words that aren't really

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Speaker 8: I don't know what you prefer, Doug, but I prefer DeMarcus.

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Speaker 2: from the In the Modus podcast. Check out the radio

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