Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, February tenth, and we are hopping on
Speaker 2: tonight because we have just gotten what is, without a doubt,
Speaker 2: the biggest development so far in the case of missing
Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. And with that, welcome to this episode of
Speaker 2: Amy and TJ. Robes are doing this here on Tuesday evening.
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if we get up on
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning and have even more and possibly a suspect
Speaker 2: in this case.
Speaker 1: Was this is huge.
Speaker 3: Yes, to actually see footage of someone it looks to
Speaker 3: be a man, that is at least how police have
Speaker 3: described the person seen in surveillance video that they have
Speaker 3: been able to recover from the door cam of Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 3: A man in a ski mask with gloves with the weapon,
Speaker 3: trying to mask the camera with brush and then eventually
Speaker 3: smashing the camera with his fist. It is so eerie,
Speaker 3: it is so scary in all of the theories of
Speaker 3: what could have happened, what may have happened, Who is responsible?
Speaker 3: You see clearly there was someone on Nancy Guthrie's front
Speaker 3: porch intending to do harm.
Speaker 1: So this is what we got today from the FBI.
Speaker 2: Words started to leak out throughout the day that maybe
Speaker 2: something was coming, that maybe video is coming. Images were
Speaker 2: coming us. So Raylan's video was coming. But this is
Speaker 2: without a doubt. I don't exactly know why roams they
Speaker 2: continue to use the term potential suspect. But you told
Speaker 2: us that someone who was abducted from a home, and
Speaker 2: now you're showing us somebody who was at that home
Speaker 2: with a ski mask in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: This has got to be obviously your suspect. So Cash
Speaker 2: Mattel put out a statement earlier today. We'll share it
Speaker 2: with you now. But his statement essentially saying that this
Speaker 2: is video that the FBI that authorities are only getting
Speaker 2: right now, and that they have been working with the
Speaker 2: past week and a half to try to get it.
Speaker 2: But it took some police work, some detective work, some
Speaker 2: forensics work. Roven it seemed like it took some time.
Speaker 2: But they said they just got this and they're put
Speaker 2: it out now.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: So he says, new images in the search for Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 3: This is from FBI Director Cash Pattel. Over the last
Speaker 3: eight days, the FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department have
Speaker 3: been working closely with our private sector partners to continue
Speaker 3: to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthrie's
Speaker 3: home that may have been lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due
Speaker 3: to a variety of factors, including the removal of recording devices.
Speaker 3: The video was recovered from was residual data located in
Speaker 3: back end systems. Working with our partners, as of this morning,
Speaker 3: law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing
Speaker 3: an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera
Speaker 3: at Nancy Guthrie's front door or the mourning of her disappearance.
Speaker 4: This is at one forty seven am in the morning.
Speaker 3: We should point out these images in this video and
Speaker 3: it is out of a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Baby so too.
Speaker 2: I guess a decent number of you listening have probably
Speaker 2: seen this video already, but it's yes, many of you
Speaker 2: have these. You have door cameras, you have security cameras
Speaker 2: in the front, and it picks up movement and it's
Speaker 2: a grainy, black and white image that you're used to seeing.
Speaker 2: It is that, But to think that now we're seeing
Speaker 2: an image of somebody on the front porch of this
Speaker 2: eighty four year old woman's house in a ski mask,
Speaker 2: knowing that she was inside a sleep and had been
Speaker 2: there for some time. This is terrifying. Now what we
Speaker 2: see in the video robes Obviously you can't see the
Speaker 2: person's face, but they are wearing a ski mask. That
Speaker 2: suggests what robes there is planning. They know a camera
Speaker 2: is there and they are trying to hide.
Speaker 3: Correct, And people have pointed out the ski mask obviously,
Speaker 3: the gloves and the backpack. This is someone who has prepared.
Speaker 3: This is someone who has premeditated whatever they're about to
Speaker 3: do and have what they need with them to carry
Speaker 3: it out, including a weapon. I haven't seen them describe.
Speaker 3: You can look at it right here that he is armed.
Speaker 3: Is that what you would consider a gun? And a holster?
Speaker 4: Is it a knife?
Speaker 2: Now I can say, who doesn't the authority say, I've
Speaker 2: seen it described as wearing a holster? But I did
Speaker 2: see was it Patel? They described him as being armed.
Speaker 4: That's a gun. That's a gun. I can see it
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: Yes, in the video you can see that that is
Speaker 3: absolutely a gun very clearly.
Speaker 4: Look babe, right here in the movie see him walk up.
Speaker 4: Watch that was actually back a bit.
Speaker 2: So they did release images there are at least there
Speaker 2: are several images, but there are several videos as well
Speaker 2: that they do release. And yeah, at some points he's
Speaker 2: wearing these gloves and he is trying to cover that
Speaker 2: camera and he does do so successfully with his hand.
Speaker 2: Again suggests someone who is familiar, possibly with that front porch. Now,
Speaker 2: why do you release this robes? We say this all
Speaker 2: the time, and you said it to me, baby, if
Speaker 2: that was you in the front when the scheme asked,
Speaker 2: I would know that was you, I.
Speaker 3: Said, I did say this. Look at first, you see
Speaker 3: this and you think this is ridiculous. How could anybody
Speaker 3: know who this person is? They're completely covered from head
Speaker 3: to toe. And then you start to think about it.
Speaker 3: If that were someone I knew, a friend, a husband,
Speaker 3: a brother, a neighbor. You notice how people are dressed,
Speaker 3: You notice people's build you notice how they walk, and
Speaker 3: in the video portion that they released, you can just
Speaker 3: see movements and if that's someone who you intimately know,
Speaker 3: you'll recognize them. And that is the hope right now.
Speaker 3: And two, this is very important among what has been released.
Speaker 3: NBC News is reporting that the Guthrie family looked at
Speaker 3: this video, looked at these images and said, based on
Speaker 3: what we just described, we don't recognize this person. And
Speaker 3: after that was established, and police also established that they
Speaker 3: did not recognize that figure in this video from anyone
Speaker 3: they've interviewed or anyone they've talked to, the decision was
Speaker 3: made collectively after retrieving this video to put it out
Speaker 3: to the public, to hope that someone else might say,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I know who that is.
Speaker 1: And someone will.
Speaker 2: This is how we've seen this countless times in these cases.
Speaker 2: Someone will recognize something from that video. Maybe it's even
Speaker 2: what he's wearing. Maybe it's the backpack itself, and like
Speaker 2: you said, just the girth, the bill, the gate, something
Speaker 2: about this video. But this is the biggest break in
Speaker 2: this case. It is hard to believe Robes that we
Speaker 2: are here this many days out and they are this clueless,
Speaker 2: if you will, And again that's not an insult to them,
Speaker 2: but to think this far out, with this many resources
Speaker 2: eyes attention on this case, that they're still saying, please help,
Speaker 2: we're nowhere.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of questions to your point about how
Speaker 3: many days it's been that we're just now given the urgency,
Speaker 3: given all the focus and the resources on this case,
Speaker 3: we're just now nine ten days into her disappearance, finally
Speaker 3: finally seeing.
Speaker 4: This door cam footage.
Speaker 3: Now we understand that for whatever reason, the Guthrie family
Speaker 3: or Nancy Guthrie herself, decided not to pay for a subscription, Okay,
Speaker 3: but still the fact that it took this long to
Speaker 3: get the cooperation, the subpoena, whatever legal or it hoops
Speaker 3: they had to jump through.
Speaker 4: If this video had been out, ah, five.
Speaker 3: Days ago, six days ago, seven days ago, what could
Speaker 3: it have meant to the search for Nancy Guthrie. That's
Speaker 3: frustrating to know this video existed and it's only now
Speaker 3: been accessed to release it. Is kind of crazy, given
Speaker 3: the fact that it's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I won't even begin to try to question the tech
Speaker 2: of it all. I have no idea where this thing was,
Speaker 2: how it was hidden, They had to back ended and
Speaker 2: all that. I am not gonna even try to question
Speaker 2: how long that process might have taken.
Speaker 1: But it is again rogue.
Speaker 2: It's still kind of you scratch your head to some
Speaker 2: degree that we are this far out and we are
Speaker 2: just now, yeah, frankly, getting concrete confirmation that the woman
Speaker 2: has been abducted.
Speaker 3: You make such a good point because we keep calling
Speaker 3: this a potential abduction, we find a way to make
Speaker 3: sure we couch it. Look, we've had police from the
Speaker 3: beginning say that they believe Nancy Guthrie was taken against
Speaker 3: her will, that the scene left behind at Nancy Guthrie's
Speaker 3: home suggested a grave concern. So we've been given indication,
Speaker 3: yet they've never directly confirmed it.
Speaker 4: And now we see this video and.
Speaker 3: It's for a lot of us who are trying to
Speaker 3: together what could have happened, what might have happened, what's
Speaker 3: the most likely scenario. This is a kind of a
Speaker 3: holy shit moment. Damn, there is a masked man on
Speaker 3: her front door at our front porch at one forty
Speaker 3: seven am.
Speaker 4: And look, you've asked about the timeline.
Speaker 3: This is curious that video that has been released, the
Speaker 3: images that we've seen were all captured at one forty
Speaker 3: seven am. We all know, and we've been looking at
Speaker 3: the timeline on this. Her her pacemaker went off about
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes later. Is that what they're saying? No, sorry,
Speaker 3: excuse me, at two thirty, but fifteen minutes after this
Speaker 3: door cam footage was taken, excuse me, we believe her
Speaker 3: pacemaker went off, and then shortly after that there was
Speaker 3: an image a motion detected on a camera that was
Speaker 3: registered as human.
Speaker 4: But there is no image that.
Speaker 3: We can see or that we know of after her
Speaker 3: pacemaker went off on the property of Nancy Guthrie, and
Speaker 3: that is deeply concerning.
Speaker 2: Well, all of this is obviously deeply concerning at this point.
Speaker 2: But we've gone back and forth. There are plenty of
Speaker 2: experts out there. Everybody has hopped on to any podcast,
Speaker 2: any interview, any television interview, opportunity to give their opinion
Speaker 2: about this case. And there are plenty out there who
Speaker 2: have flat out said they do not believe this was
Speaker 2: a kidnapping, that they do not believe it's an authensive
Speaker 2: ransom situation, that they do not believe it was an abduction.
Speaker 2: So here we are confirmed there is an abductor. There
Speaker 2: is nothing else now to talk about, So move to
Speaker 2: the next step ropes in this huge mystery. Mystery one
Speaker 2: has been solved. Stay here, we'll tell you what's next
Speaker 2: and how we can solve mystery number two. And we
Speaker 2: continue here on Amy and TJ with the update on
Speaker 2: the Nancy Guthrie investigation.
Speaker 1: Robe. So much in this so much has been solved.
Speaker 2: Today you can move forward, at least at least in
Speaker 2: the way the public is looking at this, and maybe
Speaker 2: even the way the authorities are looking at it. It
Speaker 2: is confirmed there was someone there at Nancy Guthrie's house
Speaker 2: that should not have been there at two in the morning,
Speaker 2: messing with the cameras. That is your abductor, so Robes.
Speaker 2: Question one has been answered. Mystery number one solved. It
Speaker 2: is definitive someone was there and took her. How do
Speaker 2: you get now the answer to question two? If someone
Speaker 2: took her, the question is why did you go there
Speaker 2: to do harm and kill her? Or did you go
Speaker 2: there to take her for a ransom? How can there
Speaker 2: be a third option?
Speaker 1: Right? How do you answer the next question?
Speaker 2: Because if you wanted to kill this woman, you could
Speaker 2: have gone in she was sleeping at two in the morning.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would think she was asleep if her garage
Speaker 3: door shut at nine fifty that evening, and this masked
Speaker 3: man isn't seen until one forty seven, Yes, you would
Speaker 3: think that an eighty four year old woman would be
Speaker 3: sound asleep in her bed.
Speaker 2: Sweet lady in there sound asleep. So if someone wants
Speaker 2: to go in there and kill Nancy Guthrie. You go
Speaker 2: in there and you have the easiest opportunity to kill
Speaker 2: her and walk out, Why would you do anything else
Speaker 2: unless you had another motive, meaning kidnapping and ransom?
Speaker 1: Is this really robes? Has this been just confirmed now?
Speaker 1: Is yes? This is a ransom?
Speaker 3: Or is it an elaborate setup to a boondoggle to
Speaker 3: thwart authority's efforts into trying to track down a kidnapper
Speaker 3: and a still alive Nancy Guthrie all the while?
Speaker 1: How can happen? How can the video do that?
Speaker 3: No, just saying that that's how the killer, if she
Speaker 3: is dead, masked man entered the home and then killed
Speaker 3: her and took her body and just decided to dispose
Speaker 3: of it and create this huge mystery so that there
Speaker 3: would be so much focus on where she could be
Speaker 3: still alive instead of where her body could be recovered.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Then what's the suggest then? Why kill her? Then?
Speaker 2: The suggestion there that somebody went in and had the
Speaker 2: motive of wanting to kill eighty four that's a stretch,
Speaker 2: big stres Who wants to kill the eighty four year
Speaker 2: old lady? And if you do, why kill her and
Speaker 2: take her body? And then have to dispose of it somewhere.
Speaker 4: I don't know any of the above. Anything could have happened.
Speaker 3: People can panic, but this seemed to be Whatever happened,
Speaker 3: whether she's alive, held for ransom, whether she was killed,
Speaker 3: there was somebody who entered her home with the intent
Speaker 3: to do harm, period, that has been established, but we
Speaker 3: don't know who, and we don't know why, and we
Speaker 3: don't know where she is. And so today, after that
Speaker 3: video was released, a lot of focus has been on
Speaker 3: what investigators are doing now, and they are going They
Speaker 3: were seen going door to door after this video was
Speaker 3: released in the neighborhood of Annie Guthrie. Now, look, that
Speaker 3: is the last place that Nancy Guthrie was known to
Speaker 3: be alive. An uber driver dropped her off at her
Speaker 3: daughter's house to have dinner and play some card games, reportedly,
Speaker 3: and then we do know that she was brought back,
Speaker 3: or at least the car was brought back and a
Speaker 3: garage door was opened, and she was presumably brought back
Speaker 3: to her home. However, there is an intense search around
Speaker 3: the area right now of Annie Guthrie's home, and a
Speaker 3: lot of folks have been pointing to that after this
Speaker 3: video they.
Speaker 4: Are looking at.
Speaker 3: When you start looking at land, you start looking at
Speaker 3: the property around homes. It is concerning there was a
Speaker 3: different focus at this point. Now when you start to
Speaker 3: look at brush at rugged terrain, you're looking for any
Speaker 3: leads you could possibly find.
Speaker 4: Where could she be? Where could Nancy Guthrie bee?
Speaker 2: So, without a doubt, this is the biggest development in
Speaker 2: this case. This is the biggest clue in this case.
Speaker 2: And this is certainly the I guess, biggest development that
Speaker 2: authorities have wished to share with the public, and this
Speaker 2: could be the one that changes this case, without a doubt,
Speaker 2: and also ropes. They have already suggested that they are
Speaker 2: getting clues, getting tips, and being overwhelmed, even to a
Speaker 2: certain degree with how much people have reacted since they've
Speaker 2: put out these images.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: So they actually had to put out a statement to
Speaker 3: folks who are in the Tucson area to please not
Speaker 3: call nine to one one, that they have been overwhelmed
Speaker 3: and that is not the appropriate way to call in
Speaker 3: a tip of any kind if you are in the
Speaker 3: Tucson area. They have a crimestopper's number set up for
Speaker 3: the FBI as well, but they just they were to
Speaker 3: the point where they had to put out a statement
Speaker 3: urging folks in the Tucson area to not call nine
Speaker 3: one one.
Speaker 4: That is how many tips have come in.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of tips they have said, have come in since
Speaker 3: this video has been released, and the hope is that
Speaker 3: just one of them will lead them to their person
Speaker 3: of interest.
Speaker 1: So just went to hop on and give it the
Speaker 1: update tonight.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be surprised if there's a brand new update by
Speaker 2: the time we get up and we all get going
Speaker 2: in the morning. But the latest, the biggest development so
Speaker 2: far in the case of the missing eighty four year
Speaker 2: old mother of Today's show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie,
Speaker 2: they have released now images of someone who is at
Speaker 2: that home on that front porch in a ski mask,
Speaker 2: trying to get into the home, trying to cover upt
Speaker 2: the camera.
Speaker 1: They have released those images.
Speaker 2: Certainly people are calling in and this is going to
Speaker 2: be the run rogues. I would not be surprised at
Speaker 2: all if we get up in the morning and something
Speaker 2: has changed in this case. So folks, you can look
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Speaker 1: For my dear Amy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes, and we
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