WEBVTT - Biggest Development So Far in Guthrie Case: Masked Man Seen on the Porch

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Tuesday, February tenth, and we are hopping on

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<v Speaker 2>tonight because we have just gotten what is, without a doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest development so far in the case of missing

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Guthrie. And with that, welcome to this episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and TJ. Robes are doing this here on Tuesday evening.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be surprised if we get up on

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday morning and have even more and possibly a suspect

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<v Speaker 2>in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, to actually see footage of someone it looks to

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<v Speaker 3>be a man, that is at least how police have

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<v Speaker 3>described the person seen in surveillance video that they have

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<v Speaker 3>been able to recover from the door cam of Nancy Guthrie.

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<v Speaker 3>A man in a ski mask with gloves with the weapon,

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<v Speaker 3>trying to mask the camera with brush and then eventually

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<v Speaker 3>smashing the camera with his fist. It is so eerie,

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<v Speaker 3>it is so scary in all of the theories of

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<v Speaker 3>what could have happened, what may have happened, Who is responsible?

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<v Speaker 3>You see clearly there was someone on Nancy Guthrie's front

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<v Speaker 3>porch intending to do harm.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what we got today from the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>Words started to leak out throughout the day that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>something was coming, that maybe video is coming. Images were

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<v Speaker 2>coming us. So Raylan's video was coming. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>without a doubt. I don't exactly know why roams they

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<v Speaker 2>continue to use the term potential suspect. But you told

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<v Speaker 2>us that someone who was abducted from a home, and

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<v Speaker 2>now you're showing us somebody who was at that home

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<v Speaker 2>with a ski mask in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>This has got to be obviously your suspect. So Cash

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<v Speaker 2>Mattel put out a statement earlier today. We'll share it

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<v Speaker 2>with you now. But his statement essentially saying that this

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<v Speaker 2>is video that the FBI that authorities are only getting

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and that they have been working with the

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<v Speaker 2>past week and a half to try to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it took some police work, some detective work, some

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<v Speaker 2>forensics work. Roven it seemed like it took some time.

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<v Speaker 2>But they said they just got this and they're put

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<v Speaker 2>it out now.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So he says, new images in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

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<v Speaker 3>This is from FBI Director Cash Pattel. Over the last

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<v Speaker 3>eight days, the FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department have

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<v Speaker 3>been working closely with our private sector partners to continue

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<v Speaker 3>to recover any images or video footage from Nancy Guthrie's

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<v Speaker 3>home that may have been lost, corrupted, or inaccessible due

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<v Speaker 3>to a variety of factors, including the removal of recording devices.

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<v Speaker 3>The video was recovered from was residual data located in

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<v Speaker 3>back end systems. Working with our partners, as of this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement has uncovered these previously inaccessible new images showing

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<v Speaker 3>an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera

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<v Speaker 3>at Nancy Guthrie's front door or the mourning of her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 4>This is at one forty seven am in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>We should point out these images in this video and

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<v Speaker 3>it is out of a horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby so too.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess a decent number of you listening have probably

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<v Speaker 2>seen this video already, but it's yes, many of you

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<v Speaker 2>have these. You have door cameras, you have security cameras

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<v Speaker 2>in the front, and it picks up movement and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a grainy, black and white image that you're used to seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that, But to think that now we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>an image of somebody on the front porch of this

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four year old woman's house in a ski mask,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that she was inside a sleep and had been

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<v Speaker 2>there for some time. This is terrifying. Now what we

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<v Speaker 2>see in the video robes Obviously you can't see the

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<v Speaker 2>person's face, but they are wearing a ski mask. That

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<v Speaker 2>suggests what robes there is planning. They know a camera

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<v Speaker 2>is there and they are trying to hide.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, And people have pointed out the ski mask obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>the gloves and the backpack. This is someone who has prepared.

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<v Speaker 3>This is someone who has premeditated whatever they're about to

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<v Speaker 3>do and have what they need with them to carry

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<v Speaker 3>it out, including a weapon. I haven't seen them describe.

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<v Speaker 3>You can look at it right here that he is armed.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you would consider a gun? And a holster?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it a knife?

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<v Speaker 2>Now I can say, who doesn't the authority say, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it described as wearing a holster? But I did

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<v Speaker 2>see was it Patel? They described him as being armed.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a gun. That's a gun. I can see it

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<v Speaker 4>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, in the video you can see that that is

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely a gun very clearly.

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<v Speaker 4>Look babe, right here in the movie see him walk up.

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<v Speaker 4>Watch that was actually back a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So they did release images there are at least there

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<v Speaker 2>are several images, but there are several videos as well

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<v Speaker 2>that they do release. And yeah, at some points he's

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<v Speaker 2>wearing these gloves and he is trying to cover that

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<v Speaker 2>camera and he does do so successfully with his hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Again suggests someone who is familiar, possibly with that front porch. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you release this robes? We say this all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and you said it to me, baby, if

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<v Speaker 2>that was you in the front when the scheme asked,

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<v Speaker 2>I would know that was you, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, I did say this. Look at first, you see

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<v Speaker 3>this and you think this is ridiculous. How could anybody

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<v Speaker 3>know who this person is? They're completely covered from head

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<v Speaker 3>to toe. And then you start to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>If that were someone I knew, a friend, a husband,

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<v Speaker 3>a brother, a neighbor. You notice how people are dressed,

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<v Speaker 3>You notice people's build you notice how they walk, and

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<v Speaker 3>in the video portion that they released, you can just

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<v Speaker 3>see movements and if that's someone who you intimately know,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll recognize them. And that is the hope right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And two, this is very important among what has been released.

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<v Speaker 3>NBC News is reporting that the Guthrie family looked at

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<v Speaker 3>this video, looked at these images and said, based on

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<v Speaker 3>what we just described, we don't recognize this person. And

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<v Speaker 3>after that was established, and police also established that they

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<v Speaker 3>did not recognize that figure in this video from anyone

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<v Speaker 3>they've interviewed or anyone they've talked to, the decision was

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<v Speaker 3>made collectively after retrieving this video to put it out

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<v Speaker 3>to the public, to hope that someone else might say,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I know who that is.

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<v Speaker 1>And someone will.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how we've seen this countless times in these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone will recognize something from that video. Maybe it's even

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<v Speaker 2>what he's wearing. Maybe it's the backpack itself, and like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, just the girth, the bill, the gate, something

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<v Speaker 2>about this video. But this is the biggest break in

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<v Speaker 2>this case. It is hard to believe Robes that we

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<v Speaker 2>are here this many days out and they are this clueless,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, And again that's not an insult to them,

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<v Speaker 2>but to think this far out, with this many resources

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<v Speaker 2>eyes attention on this case, that they're still saying, please help,

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<v Speaker 2>we're nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of questions to your point about how

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<v Speaker 3>many days it's been that we're just now given the urgency,

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<v Speaker 3>given all the focus and the resources on this case,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just now nine ten days into her disappearance, finally

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<v Speaker 3>finally seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>This door cam footage.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we understand that for whatever reason, the Guthrie family

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<v Speaker 3>or Nancy Guthrie herself, decided not to pay for a subscription, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but still the fact that it took this long to

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<v Speaker 3>get the cooperation, the subpoena, whatever legal or it hoops

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<v Speaker 3>they had to jump through.

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<v Speaker 4>If this video had been out, ah, five.

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<v Speaker 3>Days ago, six days ago, seven days ago, what could

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<v Speaker 3>it have meant to the search for Nancy Guthrie. That's

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<v Speaker 3>frustrating to know this video existed and it's only now

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<v Speaker 3>been accessed to release it. Is kind of crazy, given

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't even begin to try to question the tech

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<v Speaker 2>of it all. I have no idea where this thing was,

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<v Speaker 2>how it was hidden, They had to back ended and

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<v Speaker 2>all that. I am not gonna even try to question

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<v Speaker 2>how long that process might have taken.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is again rogue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still kind of you scratch your head to some

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<v Speaker 2>degree that we are this far out and we are

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<v Speaker 2>just now, yeah, frankly, getting concrete confirmation that the woman

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<v Speaker 2>has been abducted.

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<v Speaker 3>You make such a good point because we keep calling

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<v Speaker 3>this a potential abduction, we find a way to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure we couch it. Look, we've had police from the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning say that they believe Nancy Guthrie was taken against

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<v Speaker 3>her will, that the scene left behind at Nancy Guthrie's

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<v Speaker 3>home suggested a grave concern. So we've been given indication,

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<v Speaker 3>yet they've never directly confirmed it.

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<v Speaker 4>And now we see this video and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's for a lot of us who are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>together what could have happened, what might have happened, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the most likely scenario. This is a kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>holy shit moment. Damn, there is a masked man on

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<v Speaker 3>her front door at our front porch at one forty

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<v Speaker 3>seven am.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, you've asked about the timeline.

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<v Speaker 3>This is curious that video that has been released, the

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<v Speaker 3>images that we've seen were all captured at one forty

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<v Speaker 3>seven am. We all know, and we've been looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the timeline on this. Her her pacemaker went off about

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes later. Is that what they're saying? No, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>excuse me, at two thirty, but fifteen minutes after this

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<v Speaker 3>door cam footage was taken, excuse me, we believe her

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<v Speaker 3>pacemaker went off, and then shortly after that there was

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<v Speaker 3>an image a motion detected on a camera that was

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<v Speaker 3>registered as human.

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<v Speaker 4>But there is no image that.

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<v Speaker 3>We can see or that we know of after her

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<v Speaker 3>pacemaker went off on the property of Nancy Guthrie, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is deeply concerning.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, all of this is obviously deeply concerning at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've gone back and forth. There are plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>experts out there. Everybody has hopped on to any podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>any interview, any television interview, opportunity to give their opinion

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<v Speaker 2>about this case. And there are plenty out there who

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<v Speaker 2>have flat out said they do not believe this was

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<v Speaker 2>a kidnapping, that they do not believe it's an authensive

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<v Speaker 2>ransom situation, that they do not believe it was an abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we are confirmed there is an abductor. There

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<v Speaker 2>is nothing else now to talk about, So move to

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<v Speaker 2>the next step ropes in this huge mystery. Mystery one

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<v Speaker 2>has been solved. Stay here, we'll tell you what's next

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<v Speaker 2>and how we can solve mystery number two. And we

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<v Speaker 2>continue here on Amy and TJ with the update on

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<v Speaker 2>the Nancy Guthrie investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Robe. So much in this so much has been solved.

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<v Speaker 2>Today you can move forward, at least at least in

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<v Speaker 2>the way the public is looking at this, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even the way the authorities are looking at it. It

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<v Speaker 2>is confirmed there was someone there at Nancy Guthrie's house

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<v Speaker 2>that should not have been there at two in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>messing with the cameras. That is your abductor, so Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>Question one has been answered. Mystery number one solved. It

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<v Speaker 2>is definitive someone was there and took her. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you get now the answer to question two? If someone

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<v Speaker 2>took her, the question is why did you go there

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<v Speaker 2>to do harm and kill her? Or did you go

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<v Speaker 2>there to take her for a ransom? How can there

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<v Speaker 2>be a third option?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? How do you answer the next question?

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you wanted to kill this woman, you could

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<v Speaker 2>have gone in she was sleeping at two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I would think she was asleep if her garage

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<v Speaker 3>door shut at nine fifty that evening, and this masked

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<v Speaker 3>man isn't seen until one forty seven, Yes, you would

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<v Speaker 3>think that an eighty four year old woman would be

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<v Speaker 3>sound asleep in her bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet lady in there sound asleep. So if someone wants

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<v Speaker 2>to go in there and kill Nancy Guthrie. You go

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<v Speaker 2>in there and you have the easiest opportunity to kill

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<v Speaker 2>her and walk out, Why would you do anything else

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<v Speaker 2>unless you had another motive, meaning kidnapping and ransom?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this really robes? Has this been just confirmed now?

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<v Speaker 1>Is yes? This is a ransom?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is it an elaborate setup to a boondoggle to

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<v Speaker 3>thwart authority's efforts into trying to track down a kidnapper

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<v Speaker 3>and a still alive Nancy Guthrie all the while?

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<v Speaker 1>How can happen? How can the video do that?

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<v Speaker 3>No, just saying that that's how the killer, if she

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<v Speaker 3>is dead, masked man entered the home and then killed

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<v Speaker 3>her and took her body and just decided to dispose

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<v Speaker 3>of it and create this huge mystery so that there

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<v Speaker 3>would be so much focus on where she could be

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<v Speaker 3>still alive instead of where her body could be recovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. Then what's the suggest then? Why kill her? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>The suggestion there that somebody went in and had the

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<v Speaker 2>motive of wanting to kill eighty four that's a stretch,

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<v Speaker 2>big stres Who wants to kill the eighty four year

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<v Speaker 2>old lady? And if you do, why kill her and

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<v Speaker 2>take her body? And then have to dispose of it somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know any of the above. Anything could have happened.

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<v Speaker 3>People can panic, but this seemed to be Whatever happened,

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<v Speaker 3>whether she's alive, held for ransom, whether she was killed,

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<v Speaker 3>there was somebody who entered her home with the intent

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<v Speaker 3>to do harm, period, that has been established, but we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know who, and we don't know why, and we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where she is. And so today, after that

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<v Speaker 3>video was released, a lot of focus has been on

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<v Speaker 3>what investigators are doing now, and they are going They

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<v Speaker 3>were seen going door to door after this video was

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<v Speaker 3>released in the neighborhood of Annie Guthrie. Now, look, that

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<v Speaker 3>is the last place that Nancy Guthrie was known to

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<v Speaker 3>be alive. An uber driver dropped her off at her

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<v Speaker 3>daughter's house to have dinner and play some card games, reportedly,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we do know that she was brought back,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least the car was brought back and a

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<v Speaker 3>garage door was opened, and she was presumably brought back

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<v Speaker 3>to her home. However, there is an intense search around

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<v Speaker 3>the area right now of Annie Guthrie's home, and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of folks have been pointing to that after this

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<v Speaker 3>video they.

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<v Speaker 4>Are looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>When you start looking at land, you start looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the property around homes. It is concerning there was a

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<v Speaker 3>different focus at this point. Now when you start to

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<v Speaker 3>look at brush at rugged terrain, you're looking for any

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<v Speaker 3>leads you could possibly find.

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<v Speaker 4>Where could she be? Where could Nancy Guthrie bee?

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<v Speaker 2>So, without a doubt, this is the biggest development in

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<v Speaker 2>this case. This is the biggest clue in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is certainly the I guess, biggest development that

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<v Speaker 2>authorities have wished to share with the public, and this

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<v Speaker 2>could be the one that changes this case, without a doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>and also ropes. They have already suggested that they are

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<v Speaker 2>getting clues, getting tips, and being overwhelmed, even to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain degree with how much people have reacted since they've

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<v Speaker 2>put out these images.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>So they actually had to put out a statement to

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<v Speaker 3>folks who are in the Tucson area to please not

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<v Speaker 3>call nine to one one, that they have been overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 3>and that is not the appropriate way to call in

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<v Speaker 3>a tip of any kind if you are in the

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<v Speaker 3>Tucson area. They have a crimestopper's number set up for

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI as well, but they just they were to

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<v Speaker 3>the point where they had to put out a statement

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<v Speaker 3>urging folks in the Tucson area to not call nine

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<v Speaker 3>one one.

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<v Speaker 4>That is how many tips have come in.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of tips they have said, have come in since

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<v Speaker 3>this video has been released, and the hope is that

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<v Speaker 3>just one of them will lead them to their person

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<v Speaker 3>of interest.

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<v Speaker 1>So just went to hop on and give it the

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<v Speaker 1>update tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't be surprised if there's a brand new update by

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<v Speaker 2>the time we get up and we all get going

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning. But the latest, the biggest development so

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<v Speaker 2>far in the case of the missing eighty four year

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<v Speaker 2>old mother of Today's show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie,

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<v Speaker 2>they have released now images of someone who is at

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<v Speaker 2>that home on that front porch in a ski mask,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get into the home, trying to cover upt

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<v Speaker 2>the camera.

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<v Speaker 1>They have released those images.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly people are calling in and this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the run rogues. I would not be surprised at

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<v Speaker 2>all if we get up in the morning and something

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<v Speaker 2>has changed in this case. So folks, you can look

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<v Speaker 2>for our updates of course always top right corner of

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<v Speaker 2>our updates coming to you, and there are a plenty

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<v Speaker 2>these days.

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<v Speaker 1>For my dear Amy Robot. I'm TJ. Holmes, and we

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking to your real estate

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<v Speaker 3>Man.