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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 3: I've got five dollars?

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Speaker 4: This is a ratable up happy tackle.

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Speaker 3: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable,

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Speaker 3: humans need fantasy to be human. My goodness, I don't

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Speaker 3: me speak.

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Speaker 2: I suppose the best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn, very bless.

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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast from the Action Network.

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Speaker 4: I'm your host, Chris Raymond of the Action Network, and

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Speaker 4: I'm joined by my co host, one of the top

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Speaker 4: rankers in the game, pretty much the rankings goat as

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Speaker 4: a matter of fact, the odds aker Sean Kerner, Sean,

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Speaker 4: what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Happy to be back.

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Speaker 2: With you, Yeah, happy to be back. I hope you're

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Speaker 2: having a great summer. And this really does sort of

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Speaker 2: feel like the end of the true offseason and the

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Speaker 2: start of draft season, which is very exciting. You know,

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Speaker 2: we both love what we do. But this this does

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Speaker 2: feel like a serious moment in time where we're like

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Speaker 2: really gearing up for the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 4: Now, oh, you said serious moment in time. I thought

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Speaker 4: you were talking about everything else. I thought we were

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Speaker 3: But oh boy, yes, it is. It is.

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Speaker 4: It's an important time because you know, this is kind

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Speaker 4: of the deadest period of the offseason, and then once

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Speaker 4: you know, who's getting first team reps in situations that

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Speaker 3: About and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 4: But we're gonna talk about quarterbacks on this episode these

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Speaker 4: next two episodes really, so on this one we're gonna

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Speaker 4: talk about the top twelve quarterbacks and then we'll go

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Speaker 4: the top twelve. But just generally speaking from the drafts

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Speaker 4: bestball drafts at this point. But like, what's your general

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Speaker 4: overall quarterback strategy in twenty twenty four. I know, I

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Speaker 4: know you can use any strategy I got. We shouldn't

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know me, I typically like to wait, but

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Speaker 2: So I'm typically not the first person to draft the quarterback,

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Speaker 2: But I'm not as hell bent on like don't draft

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Speaker 4: Actually, I have Lamar Jackson slightly ahead in my it's

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Speaker 2: I think bringing Kella Moore could bring Hurts back, at

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Speaker 2: three straight seasons of ten plus rushing touchdowns and he

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Speaker 4: Is Patrick Mahomes in a lot of spots still, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and another part of it too, is that defense,

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Speaker 2: he's your boy, and he established himself as one of

437
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: the better quarterbacks in the league as rookies. So yeah,

438
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 2: heading in year two, really the sky is the ceiling

439
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: for him. You know, he ranked ninth in best ball

440
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: points added per game despite never having all of his

441
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: starting receivers healthy for a single game. In the nine

442
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: games where he had both Nico and Take Dell active,

443
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 2: he averaged five basketball points added per game, which would

444
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: have been fifth on the season. So now we add

445
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 2: in Stefan Diggs to the mix, and he still has

446
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: Nico Collins and Tank Dell there. So I mean, he

447
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: clearly has top five upside. I just think that the

448
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: lack of rushing upside limit his you know, potential to

449
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: be the overall QB one. But he still has just

450
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 2: a massive weekly ceiling. So you know, I think that, like,

451
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, fifth or sixth quarterback off the board makes

452
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: a ton of sense. But again I think top four

453
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: would be a bit too rich. But just yeah, heading

454
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: into year two, adding a guy like Diggs, I think

455
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: the sky's limit for him, So I could certainly get

456
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: behind drafting him fifth.

457
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if he could have.

458
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 4: Essentially, you talk about Mahomes as the guy it's not

459
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: really a true scrambling quarterback, but can score a few

460
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 4: rushing touchdowns each year. Stroud did have three rushing scores

461
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: a year ago, and you know, especially with the supporting cast,

462
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: he can put up Mahomes like numbers. So yeah, I

463
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 4: think that's that's kind of the sell with Strown. And

464
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: we saw him do it even without really a great

465
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: offensive line. Those first two games the last year, I

466
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: think he took something like nine or ten sacks. And

467
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: then after that, I mean, you know, under pressure, it

468
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 4: was it was great. The line didn't stop him, the

469
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: receiver injuries didn't stop him. So yeah, I think he's

470
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: a guy who you know, is he has that kind

471
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 4: of Mahomes upside if you're if you're looking for it

472
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 4: at a little bit of a of a discount, Like

473
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: you're right, he doesn't have the Lamar Jackson hurts upside

474
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 4: if they hit their true ceilings. Yeah, just because of

475
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 4: the Russian, but he does have that that Mahomes upside.

476
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 4: You know, guys guy like Joe Burrow a couple of

477
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: years ago to you know, throw over forty touchdowns.

478
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: He has that kind of upside. So yeah, I'm excited

479
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: about uh about Stroud this year.

480
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 4: His price is coming up though, but there's a lot

481
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 4: of guys in this next range some curiousness to hear

482
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 4: your thoughts. Dak Prescott is the next guy up. He's

483
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: QB six and it's tough because he was QB three

484
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 4: last year. So it's like, on one hand, it's like

485
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: is he is he being underrated or you know, because

486
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: you got guys like Anthony Richardson, Joe Burrow, Jordan love Kyra,

487
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 4: Murray brock Purty going after him.

488
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Speaker 3: Is he you know?

489
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: Is he kind of that kind of too high in

490
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 4: the tier, you know, to invest too strongly in like

491
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: a you where are you on?

492
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: On death? For this year?

493
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'd be six sounds about right. You know,

494
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: he ranked fifth and best ball points added per game

495
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: last season. He rushed for over two hundred yards for

496
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: the first time since his you know, devastating twenty twenty

497
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: ankle injury. So maybe he's getting more comfortable tapping into

498
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: his rushing upside a little bit more, which is going

499
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: to help his his ceiling, of course, but you know,

500
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 2: the Cowboys offense might rely on him even more this

501
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: year now that they're moving on from Tony Pollard and

502
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: they're bringing back the corpse of Zeke Elliott. So I

503
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: mean this could be a more pass heavy attack, which

504
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: is great news. You know, there are some beast ball

505
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: sites where he's going as late as like QB nine.

506
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, if he falls outside of this tier, I'm

507
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: absolutely scooping him up. So I would he'd be one

508
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: of the guys where I wouldn't like attack him at

509
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: QB five or QB six necessarily, but if he ever slipped,

510
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: you absolutely want to take him because I think he

511
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: is in that top six mix. Again, he doesn't have

512
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: the same rushing upside as the top four guys, but

513
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: he's as steady as it gets and he still has

514
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: that that ceiling that you're looking for when you're taking

515
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: quarterback this early. So yeah, I think I think this

516
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: sounds about right. He probably doesn't have as much upside

517
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: as c. J. Stroud, so I think it makes sense.

518
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: QB six makes sense for him. And again, if he

519
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: falls past QB six, that's absolutely when I try to

520
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: attack him.

521
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of a value situation here once you're

522
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: getting outside those super elite guys, because there's a lot

523
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: of guys you could make the case for, like QB five,

524
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 4: QB six, and and it's just you know, the adyps

525
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: are kind of they you know, ADP is average draft position.

526
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 4: But when you talk about you know, QB six, a

527
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: guy like dak It easily as you mentioned, fall to

528
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: QB nine.

529
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 3: I've even seen him probably like you know, QB ten

530
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: in spots.

531
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Speaker 1: So sign me up for that.

532
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And uh, we'll get to QB seven Anthony

533
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Speaker 4: Richardson in a second. But before we move on, just

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550
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Speaker 4: all that good stuff. Anthony Richardson QB seven. So this

551
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 4: is another another one, another quarterback who has that rushing upside,

552
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: you know, more to Allen to Jackson, to Jalen Hurts.

553
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: But the question with him is how healthy can he stay?

554
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: Because i you know, we have only had one season

555
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: of Anthony Richardson and he's gotten injured in half of

556
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: the games that he's appeared in, so it's hard to

557
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: have any confidence in, you know, like projecting how many

558
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: games he's.

559
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: Going to play this year.

560
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: So you know, with that being said, you know where

561
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: are you ranking him and are you knocking him for

562
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 4: you know, a higher chance of injury than most of

563
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: the other quarterbacks in this list.

564
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just projecting health is probably the trickiest

565
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: thing when it comes to projecting a guy's season long outlooks.

566
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: So that's that's obviously the thing with Richardson, and he

567
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: clearly has the widest range of outcomes of anybody in

568
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: the top ten or anybody at the position. So that's

569
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: why he's probably more valuable and best ball than re

570
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: draft leagues and last year, you know, he flashes upside.

571
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: He averaged six point four best ball points per game

572
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: in his only two full games. That would have ranked

573
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: second at the position if he averaged out throughout the

574
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: whole season. But I think we got to talk about

575
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: the fact that he only did play two full games

576
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: before suffering that season ending injury, and he was knocked

577
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: out of three of those four games. So clearly he's

578
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: got to alter his running style or something because he's

579
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: got to stay healthy. But the one concern I would

580
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: say is just he entered the NFL raw. He only

581
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: had one college season of seventy plus pass attempts, so

582
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: he kind of needed that experience in his rookie season.

583
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: The fact that he didn't play much means we probably

584
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: can't expect as big a year two leap as he

585
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: would if he played ten plus games. So he's still

586
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: going to be fairly raw as a passer. But again,

587
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: we can't overlook the rushing upside. It's there, so out

588
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: of this tier, he probably has the most potential to

589
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: be the QB one overall. So again, if you're shooting

590
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: for that massive upside, he's probably worth it here. But

591
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: you just got to be careful because he does have

592
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: the lowest floor due to the injury risk. So that's

593
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: why I'm saying, I think when it comes to best

594
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: ball formats, he's probably a little bit more valuable, but

595
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: you can't, you know, you can't argue the upside. So

596
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm still you know, targeting him if he if he

597
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: falls to QB seven, QB eight, I think he's certainly

598
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: worth a flyer most spots.

599
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like, I like targeting him, like any of

600
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks, as we mentioned, you know, as they fall.

601
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of the way to do it.

602
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: But I do think that we'll probably see Anthony Richardson,

603
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: you know, run less this year. I mean, you know,

604
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: he had twenty five attempts and essentially played around two

605
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: and a half games if you add up all the

606
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: snaps and he had twenty five attempts for rushing scores.

607
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's realistic, just because of how

608
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: much he got hurt. So, you know, they did go

609
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: out and get a Donnie Mitchell in the draft. They

610
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: you know, Michael Pittman had a really good season. They

611
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: have a bunch of tight ends that they could throw to.

612
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: Taylor should be there, So I think they're going to

613
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: try to get the ball out of his hands a

614
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: little bit more last season, So you could have a

615
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 4: situation where, you know, a guy like Kyler Murray, you know,

616
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: has run a little less as of late, you could have,

617
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: you know, numbers that look a little bit more like that,

618
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: you know in year two then, because you know, if

619
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 4: he if he put up the numbers he was putting

620
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: up last.

621
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Speaker 3: Year, I mean, you know, he would be a top

622
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: three quarterback.

623
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Speaker 4: I mean he was, you know, even in the amount

624
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 4: of snaps that he was playing, he was putting a big,

625
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: big fantasy scores due to all that rushing. I think

626
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: that will be dialed back a little bit, but uh yeah,

627
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: it's it's.

628
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: The question is how much, and that's we really don't know.

629
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: But I think kind of balancing, you know, the potential

630
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: to get injured with with that upside, I think QB

631
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: seven is about right. And actually I don't mind him

632
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: in redraft only because like if he gets hurt, I

633
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: can I can kind of go and fix that, Like

634
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: I can put him on IR I can. You know,

635
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: there's a lot of late round quarterbacks, so best ball

636
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: is kind of where it's a little tougher because for

637
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: me anyway, because you know, I want to stack him

638
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: too in that situation, and you're always paying a little

639
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: premium for the rushing upside that you don't really want

640
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: as much when you're stacking.

641
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: You want to get all.

642
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: Those numbers to go to the you know, the receivers.

643
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: So I actually like him a little more in redraft

644
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: just because if if he goes down, I can I

645
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: can kind of figure it out. And there are some

646
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: cheap quarterbacks that we'll talk about in the next episode

647
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: that I think, you know, should be available on the wire.

648
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: But overall, I think this is about right for for

649
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson.

650
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: It's just because that rushing upside is so valuable.

651
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: Only about half the quarterbacks that we'll talk about in

652
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: this you know, top twelve really have it, and you

653
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: know it still it's getting more than it used to

654
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: be where they's only to be like one or two.

655
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: But you know, I think still having that access to

656
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: that upside still unlocks another rung on the on the

657
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of ceiling that some of these

658
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: other guys just don't have them.

659
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. With best ball, I think

660
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: the way.

661
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: To counter that is to have some of those sneaky

662
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco stacks.

663
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: Yep.

664
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: So I take your point in that, but I think

665
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: if you mix enough Joe Flacco stacks, you can kind

666
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: of head your bets a little bit.

667
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

668
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: Well, I mean what I what I want to do

669
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: is I want Flacco, like yeah, like not on the

670
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: same team though, like I want team yeah yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

671
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: You gotta go. Yeah, that's fun.

672
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: You're going for a ceiling, You're not has your bets there,

673
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: but having a little bit more exposure to Flacco than

674
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: the rest of people, I think would be a good

675
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: way to counter that.

676
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally agree.

677
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: And then it just kind of speaks to the quality

678
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: of the quarterbacks and this, you know, kind of I

679
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: guess second, like, what how many First of all, but

680
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: before we continue, how many tiers overall for these top twelve,

681
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: how many tiers have you split them into?

682
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: In your tiers three?

683
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that but the guy we were about to

684
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: talk about is the end of tier two, okay, and

685
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: then I have a pretty big Tier three with like

686
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: seven or eight quarterbacks, which is like the low end

687
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: QB one high end QB two tier that we typically

688
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: see work. You can argue a lot of different ways,

689
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: but I think this next guy is the end of

690
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: tier two for me.

691
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: All right, and that would be Joe Burrow and you

692
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: know QB eight. I guess the question is, you know what, Obviously,

693
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: he's shown tremendous upside in years past, and we know

694
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: he's one of the most talented quarterbacks in the league.

695
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 4: You know, last two seasons before twenty twenty three, so

696
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one to two thirty four plus touchdowns each year,

697
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: forty four thousand or more yards in each of those years.

698
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: So is that a reasonable expectation? Does he bounce back

699
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: this year? Remember last year he started hurt. First four games,

700
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: he was the QB thirty two and fantasy points per game.

701
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: Weeks five through ten, he was the QB four a

702
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: few point for the game, and then he got injured

703
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: in the next game. So you know, how how swift

704
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: do you think the bounce back is for Burrow?

705
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: Here?

706
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh?

707
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'll bounce back if he's healthy. He's

708
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: another guy that's kind of established himself as sort of

709
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: being an injury risk. He's still coming back from his

710
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: risk injury that you know, knocked him out of last season,

711
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: so we kind of have to monitor that that he's

712
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: you know healthy. I remember he entered last season with

713
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: the CAF injury, right, So he's just a guy that

714
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: we always have to monitor. But you know, when he's healthy,

715
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: he's absolutely going to crush. I mean, he's entering his

716
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: prime at twenty seven. The best wide receiver duo in

717
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: the league is still intact in Jamar Chase and T Higgins.

718
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: You know, he only rushed for ten plus yards and

719
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: two of his nine starts last season, so that's where

720
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: I think his upside is is kind of capped. You know,

721
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: he's established himself as more of a high floor option

722
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: just due to his passing upside, but he really has

723
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: n't been leaning on his leg as much as he could,

724
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: and that's probably due to you know, just all the injuries,

725
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: the calf injuries specifically, so that that could be by design.

726
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: But you know, last year he ranked eighteenth in best

727
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: ball points out of per game due to you know

728
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: the lack of rushing upside. So in order to really

729
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: maximize his upside when it comes to best ball, you

730
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: have to stack him with you know, one to three

731
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: of his pass catchers and that's very expensive with Jamar

732
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Chase and t Higgins, so that that kind of, you know,

733
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: makes me a little bit cautious drafting him, just given

734
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: you have to spend a lot of draft capital to

735
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: really maximize on him.

736
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: But I will say that he's.

737
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: Worth taking in the sense where if he falls at

738
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: QB eight, you know, he's kind of the end of

739
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: that tier. For me, I love taking guys at the

740
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: end of a tier before there's a drop off at

741
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: the position, So that's kind of where I kind of

742
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: see myself taking him. But at the end of the day,

743
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: I think he does kind of lack the upside as

744
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: the other three guys, So even though he's within this tier,

745
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take him over you know, Dak Richardson or Drout.

746
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 2: So he's like confidently at the end of the tier.

747
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: So he's kind of in a mini tier by himself,

748
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: but you can't argue you know, his upside as a

749
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: passer and just at this stage and of his career

750
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: with his surrounding weapons. So I think, you know, you

751
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: could take him at QB eight, but again, he kind

752
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: of lacks the upside as the other three guys in

753
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: this year.

754
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like he's got that real life upside. But yeah,

755
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: the rushing and I think, you know, with all the

756
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: injuries just adding up, I think, yeah, that's something you're

757
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 4: probably just gonna see him run a little less, you

758
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 4: know than his overall career norms. You know, so you're

759
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: probably you know, twice in his career he's been in

760
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: the single digits in rushing yards per game.

761
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: I would lean that way for this year as well.

762
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 4: But it's still it's still tantalizing because i mean, like

763
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: you said, chasing Higgins two of the best, he's going

764
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: near the end of the tier.

765
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: So there's still a lot to like about him.

766
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 4: Like I'm not really I think, you know, the pros

767
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: and cons of you know, Dak versus Richardson versus Burrow,

768
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: like they each have their pros and cons. I think

769
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 4: it's more about, you know, who falls, And you could

770
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: throw C. J. Stroud in that group as well, even

771
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 4: even Mahomes. So yeah, that's where I'm at with with Burrow.

772
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: Jordan Love is the QB nine and I think the

773
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: big question with him is and you said, you're you know,

774
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: you have him down a tier.

775
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: From from these other guys. We've talked about, you.

776
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: Know, because if he if he repeats, you know, second

777
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: half of the season, Jordan Love, he's yeah, he's in

778
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: that tier. But if not, then it's a little you know,

779
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: then it's kind of more of a well, like you said,

780
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: low end GB one high MQB two. But I'll just

781
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 4: put some numbers to it. Over the first seven games

782
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 4: of last season, two hundred and thirteen passing yards per game,

783
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: one point six touchdowns, one point one interceptions. Then the

784
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: last ten games two hundred and sixty seven passing yards

785
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: per game, two point one touchdowns and just point three

786
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: interception do twenty one scores and three picks over his

787
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: fine ten games.

788
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: So you know, how much are are you.

789
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: Giving weight to kind of that that that the upward trend,

790
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 4: or are you kind of just mostly ignoring that using

791
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: his full season numbers which are still very good, or

792
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: you know how what's going into the projection for Love

793
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four.

794
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, and I would say that

795
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: I am factoring that in because I think I hinted

796
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: at that last year where first of all, he just

797
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: had an incredible season, which I would consider his rookie season.

798
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Despite you know back Camp Rogers for his first two seasons,

799
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: but I thought that, you know, it would take him

800
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: while to get going because it was his first season.

801
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: But he also had what the most inexperienced wide receiver

802
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: and tight end room in the league. I think the

803
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: guy with the most experienced last year was Christian Watson,

804
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: who was entering his second season.

805
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: So I think it did make a.

806
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: Ton of sense that he would, you know, get off

807
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: to the slow start and then he picked it up

808
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: as the season went on. And yeah, he averaged four

809
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: point seven best ball points added per game over those

810
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: last seven games, that would rank fifth over the entire season.

811
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: And I remember you and I were joking like.

812
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Wild Card weekend, like he had what Bo Melton he

813
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: had Natavian Wicks, Like it's a really deep receiving room,

814
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: Like it's actually a good core around him. They're going

815
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: to be more experienced with him heading into the season.

816
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: So I think that we do have to put a

817
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: lot of weight on his late season surge. You know,

818
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: he didn't use his legs as much as I think

819
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: he could last last year. I think he does have

820
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: quite a bit of rushing upside, so maybe he gets

821
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: more comfortable in the pocket. Know's going to scramble this year.

822
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: So I love his upside. I think QB nine might

823
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: be a tad high. Again, I hate how sharp ADP is. Yeah,

824
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: these days, like the market's getting a lot sharper. So

825
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: QB nine sounds about right. I would like him, you know,

826
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: if he falls outside of the top ten. But I

827
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: think QBAN nine is about right. But he has a

828
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: ton of upside heading in near two. He really impressed

829
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: me last year. And again I think that late season third,

830
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: I think we do you have to kind of like

831
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: wait heavily heading into the second full season.

832
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great point about his you know,

833
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: his gut, his the experience of his guys, you know,

834
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: just like it made sense for him to start slow

835
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: and trend up and so yeah, I think that is

836
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: something we have to look to continue.

837
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: You know, all the guys are back.

838
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: It's you know, another another year in in the offense

839
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: for all those young guys.

840
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, lots of like here. But I do have

841
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: him outside my top ten.

842
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 4: As well, just because the next two guys we'll talk

843
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 4: about some curious to get your thoughts, Kyler Murray all

844
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 4: the way down to QB ten and I have Murray

845
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 4: ahead of Love just because you know, Murray for his

846
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 4: career averaged about thirty eight rushing yards per game. Last year,

847
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 4: it was only thirty thirty and a half, so it

848
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: was his you know, yeah, not his career. Well, he

849
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 4: actually having thirty point two a couple of years ago

850
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, but kind of has a four

851
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: of around thirty rushing yards per game. And I think,

852
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 4: you know, getting Marvin Harrison, Julie, you're you know getting

853
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: you know, having Trade McBride for the full year because

854
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray only had a half season last year and

855
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: he didn't really get to learn that new offense because

856
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: of that because he was rehabbing his injuries. So you know,

857
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: having a full year of off of you know, in

858
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 4: this in this offense, having Marvin Harrison Junior and Murray's

859
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: numbers with Hopkins, you know, the only other like true

860
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: number one wide out he had where just night and day,

861
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: I mean with Hopkins sixty nine percent completion, seven point

862
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: seven yards in attempt, one point seven touchdowns per game

863
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: without uh sixty five percent six point six yards in

864
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 4: attempt and just one point two touchdowns.

865
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: So a big difference in his numbers.

866
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: I think you know that the upside throwing combined with

867
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: the rushing floor still puts him above a guy Kah

868
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 4: Jordan love for me, but where are you with with Kyler?

869
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

870
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: I have him as you know, the top quarterback in

871
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: this third tier. I'm very excited about the addition of

872
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: an elite prospect like Marvin Harrison junior. He also has

873
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, Trey McBride who broke out last season, and

874
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: I like Michael Wilson as you know, the number two

875
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: receiver defenses you know fixate on Harrison McBride. Wilson can

876
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: make them pay, and you know Murray can make them

877
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: pay with his legs. You know, we might not see

878
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: the same rushing upside he offered, you know, before his

879
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two ACL injury, but you know he's probably

880
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: going to be healthier this year, so we could see

881
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: that bounce back a bit.

882
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I love him at QBA.

883
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: You know, some of the best ball sights he goes

884
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: as high as like QB seven. That's probably a bit

885
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: too high because that's in you know, the second tier.

886
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: But anytime he falls outside of that tier, so QB

887
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 2: nine QB ten. I think that's like a great time

888
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: to target Kyler Marine as always, you know, you just

889
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: kind of hope he stays healthy. But when he's healthy

890
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 2: with this supporting cast, you know, he does have top

891
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: five upsides, so he's he's absolutely worth it if he

892
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: falls a QB ten here.

893
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, we talk, we talk about Danny

894
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: Richardson going QB seven a few moments ago, and I think,

895
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 4: you know, Kyler Murray's kind of like a poor man's

896
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: version of Richardson. I mean, really he's probably he's obviously

897
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: further along as a passer, you know now entering what

898
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: is this year number six for Kyler Murray, and then

899
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, as a rusher, Yeah, it's not gonna be

900
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 4: probably you know, those eight nine attempts like Richardson was getting,

901
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 4: but he will get you know, five six seven attempts

902
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: per game rushing yard it should be thirty plus on

903
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: average for the season.

904
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: So if I'm debating between those two.

905
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: Guys, I think Murray's the far better value and the

906
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: fact that he's falling below you know, as as you

907
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: mentioned guys that don't have as much rushing upside.

908
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: You know, Joe Burrow, Jordan Love.

909
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: I think Murray's a really nice value with a lot

910
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 4: of upside, you know, going going at QB ten here,

911
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: so one of my favorite value plays and then QB.

912
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: Eleven Rock Purdy.

913
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 4: Now, you mentioned to me right before we hopped on

914
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: that you know there's this Brandon Ayuk trade request that

915
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: that's in the universe. Now, I know they've been They've

916
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: been going back and forth all off season trying to

917
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 4: get something done out looks like that hasn't They haven't

918
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: made much progress there. So it's like, on one hand,

919
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: Rock Perty was a QB six last year. He could

920
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: be being underrated, but then you lose Ayuke. That's a

921
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: big part of that. I don't think Ricky piersaw you know,

922
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: I know he went in round one, but I don't

923
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: think he's ready to you know, take over and be

924
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: as productive as Ayuk was. So that does you know,

925
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: depending on what other moves they make, that would be

926
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: a big hole. So you know, how are you kind

927
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: of rating Perty given the uncertainty with with Ayuk, but

928
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: just you know the big numbers when when he's on

929
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: the field these last couple of years.

930
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, The are Yuk News is definitely making his production worky,

931
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: but he does have enough weapons around him that I

932
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: think he'll be okay. But you know, on our QB

933
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: two plot last year, he was my favorite flyer from

934
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks ranked outside of the top twenty four, which is

935
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: crazy to think about. We who was going to be

936
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: their starting quarterback back last year, Like you know, Trey

937
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: Lances in the mix. But last year he proved he's

938
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: capable of high end play. So now I think he's

939
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: being drafted appropriately. This is probably closer to his ceiling

940
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: where I would take him. He just doesn't He's extremely

941
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: efficient due to the system, due to the weapons around him,

942
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: but he doesn't see enough volume to really offer top

943
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: five upsides. So I really view him as more of

944
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: a redraft league guy than best Ball. Has a very

945
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: high floor, doesn't have as many spike weeks as some

946
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: of the other guys in this tier, but he has

947
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: a very high floor. So that's that's why I would

948
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: still target him in redraft leagues. But you know this

949
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: this news, I would hesitate to draft him QB eleven

950
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: because just this tier is so tight that I could

951
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: see moving him down two to three slots if I

952
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: is trade away. Like like you mentioned, I think Pierce

953
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: all is a great prospect, but nowhere near the caliber

954
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: of wide receivers brand A, so that that would be

955
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 2: a massive blow and I would be cautious drafting him here.

956
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: But again I think that you know, party, if you

957
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: can get him as a low on QB one and

958
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: rude draft leagues, I would do it there, just because

959
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: he's proven to have you know, very very high week before.

960
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's.

961
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: Kind of the way to do it, Like it's he's

962
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: he's definitely a floor play the ceiling. You know, if

963
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: he loses Ayuk, you know, they probably they I mean

964
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: they might pass even less if they lose Ayuk too,

965
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: and so that could hurt the volume and the efficiency.

966
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: And you know, if i Uke is in there, yeah,

967
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: the efficiency is going to be very high, but there

968
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 4: is kind of a cap on the volume unless maybe

969
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: unless Christian McCaffrey goes down, But then that's the whole

970
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: another that's another issue in itself for that offense. But

971
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: I think I think that is the one way, Like

972
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 4: I perty, if macaffrey goes down and they throw like,

973
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: you know, thirty five times a game or something like

974
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: a normal amount uh, you know, and they keep Ayuk

975
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 4: that there is some upside there, so one of those

976
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: things to kind of, you know, keep your monitor. But

977
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 4: right now, yeah, I think, I think just because you

978
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: have that danger of losing Ayuk and you have that

979
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 4: kind of natural volume cap with the Niners just being

980
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: so good and their defense being good and McCaffrey being

981
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 4: so good. So yeah, he has a few more kind

982
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: of red flags in terms of the ceiling than the

983
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: other guys we've we've spoken.

984
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: About so far.

985
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 4: And then the last guy in his top twelve list

986
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 4: here and you know that's this is where things you know,

987
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: go a bunch of different ways, depending on what ADP

988
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 4: you're looking at. But to a tongue of I loa,

989
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 4: he is the QB twelve and he's always tough because

990
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 4: you know, he gets so much of his value from

991
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: you know, that Tyreek Hill Jaylen Watto combination. I do

992
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: think they upgraded you know, a tight end a bit

993
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 4: going to John new Smith over Durham smythe was was

994
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: the number one tight end last year. They also have

995
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: Odell Beckham, which at this stage I don't know how

996
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 4: much of an Upgrady is over you know what was

997
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: going on at number three for them last year with

998
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: Barrios and Wilson and those guys. But overall, I mean

999
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: it's the supporting cast for Tua. He's not really going

1000
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: to give you much rushing. And now in basketball, you know,

1001
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 4: got to look up for Week seventeen he goes to

1002
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: Cleveland and that's also Fantasy championship week if you're in redraft,

1003
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: so you know that's you're probably gonna have to replace him.

1004
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: In a few different spots, including that week.

1005
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: So given that, you know where you on Tua as

1006
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: far as the top twelve quarterback.

1007
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's I would not draft him in the

1008
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: top twelve. But he's just an interesting guy to kind

1009
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: of like project and whatnot because he you know, he's

1010
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: capable of throwing for three hundred plus yards any given week. Yeah,

1011
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: the most passing hours last season any high scoring offense.

1012
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: But he just has a lower weekly ceiling than I

1013
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: think people realize. You know, he doesn't offer much rough

1014
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: rushing upside at all, and the Dolphins tend to lean

1015
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: on the running backs and they get close to the

1016
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: goal lines. Yeah, that really does hurt his passing touchown upside.

1017
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: And that's why we saw last year he finished eighteenth

1018
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: and best ball points added per game, which is kind

1019
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: of like mind boggling just given how explosive this offense

1020
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: is with him under center. So he only finished in

1021
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: the top twelve thirty eight percent of the time that

1022
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: ranked twenty third. So I think he's probably more valuable

1023
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: in season long formats. He does provide that high floor,

1024
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: but q BE twelve is still too high. I think

1025
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: this is an offense where I rather, you know, invest

1026
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: in the individual pieces, you know, the running backs specifically,

1027
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: or the wide receivers Tyree Hill or Jalen Waddell than

1028
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: to himself. So he's another guy that you probably have

1029
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: to stack to really maximize, you know, the ceiling of

1030
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: your team, but that's going to be very expensive to do.

1031
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 2: So he's just the guy where it's kind of bizarre

1032
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: where you would think he offers a pretty big weekly ceiling,

1033
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: but he's much much more of a high floor guy

1034
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: than anything, which is better for re draft leagues.

1035
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1036
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: And he's like, you're at the point in the draft

1037
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 4: where I think you're you're in that even if you

1038
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: know you didn't intend to go late round quarterback, you're

1039
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: kind of in that streaming situation where you're probably you know,

1040
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: outside after after the top ten, you probably don't need

1041
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: to view these guys as, oh, I'm gonna use these

1042
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: guys every single week. There is there are gonna be

1043
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: weeks where you don't necessarily want to start uh these guys.

1044
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, that's that's another like Toua, Yeah,

1045
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: he's great and maybe you know when you project him out,

1046
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 4: he does come out around QB twelve. But if I

1047
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 4: can get a guy like Matthew Stafford, you know, a

1048
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: few rounds later, if I can get a guy like

1049
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams later, if I can get even Trevor Lawrence,

1050
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 4: you know, like guys like that. I don't think there's

1051
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: a big difference between some of these, you know, pocket passes.

1052
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: I think you want to kind of take the value

1053
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 4: there because they're not adding things that they're like, or

1054
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 4: just take a you know, take a shot on a

1055
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: guy like a Jayden Daniels or somebody who you know,

1056
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: if he hits, you know, he'll he'll give you that

1057
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: that rushing upside that could still jump a lot of these,

1058
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: a lot of these pocket passes, and that to a

1059
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: type of you know, in that to a range.

1060
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: All right, So that.

1061
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: Would the top twelve quarterbacks by ADP for twenty twenty four.

1062
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: Just to recap Sean, who are the guys that you

1063
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: would you say you kind of are targeting the most

1064
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: in this range.

1065
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, based on these ADPs, I would say tier one,

1066
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson makes the most sense because he's going QB

1067
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: four and I really have it a sort of a

1068
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: four way tie. And then the next tier I would say,

1069
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, Dak Prescott typically falls farther than he should,

1070
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: and the third tier Kyler Murray, for sure, if he's

1071
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 2: going QB ten, absolutely sign me up for that. Sometimes

1072
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: he goes a little bit earlier, but if he falls

1073
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: QB ten, sign me up for that.

1074
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: So it's basically.

1075
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: Lamar, Dak, and Kyler are probably the guys just based

1076
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: on ADP I'm getting the most.

1077
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1078
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: For me, it's it's definitely Lamar and Kyler. I just

1079
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: love the rushing upside and I think there's some kind

1080
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: of unrealized room for growth passing lives for.

1081
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 3: Both of those guys.

1082
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: But we'll talk about all the late round quarterbacks going

1083
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 4: in the you know, in thirteen to twenty four range,

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