00:00:08 Speaker 1: But I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guess you're presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:49 Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no. Gift temperature wineger. I can type seventy words per minute, and I'm proficient in nothing. What's going on? What's happening? Well, you know, I thought the podcast was recording about four hours ago, so I left the house very early. Thank god I didn't get here. I was able to turn around in time and then just wasted several hours because I had planned nothing. 00:01:15 Speaker 3: What you do, Matt? Save it for the podcast? Sorry? 00:01:18 Speaker 2: Sorry, it's a guest is very rude this morning. 00:01:22 Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm just I'm on tenter hooks. I want to know so much. 00:01:27 Speaker 2: This is a mystery for you that you're going to find out very soon. 00:01:30 Speaker 3: I could now, listener. 00:01:32 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? Can you imagine this is a professional. 00:01:37 Speaker 3: Well, it'll you see what I brought a gift? 00:01:42 Speaker 2: What's going on? I showed up to the office. They were having a cookie swap party, without me. I was not told about this, but jokes on them. I think cookie parties are a bad concept. I think it's a flawed idea. You can't eat that many cookies, and if you try a bunch at the same time, the flavor gets all mushed in your mouth, and then if you're taking them home, they're getting old. No one is getting a cookie at its best. The only cookie you're enjoying is the first one you try there. But the unfortunate thing is what if it came from someone who's not good at baking, then your whole party has been ruined. It's I understand the in theory. Sure, I've never been to a good one, and I'm sure everyone at the office is having a bad one right now. 00:02:22 Speaker 3: Okay, well, the guest is here. Oh no, I'm not talking. Oh no, fool me. 00:02:29 Speaker 2: Wise, No, I'm very I'm absolutely thrilled about today's guest. It's Matt Gorley. Matt, I mean welcome. 00:02:38 Speaker 3: That didn't seem sincere though welcome. I've already outstayed my welcome by starting too early. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: I know I should have just shut down the recording. Found another guest, found somebody out in the office to come talk to me. 00:02:49 Speaker 3: I wouldn't blame me. It's cookie day. It's cookie day. People are very excited. I hear there's the Tom Cruise cake in the building. Is that true? That's what Patrick told me. 00:02:57 Speaker 2: Have you tried it? 00:02:57 Speaker 3: I have. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: I've had one too, which is actually from this Can we really? 00:03:01 Speaker 3: Can we speak frankly? 00:03:02 Speaker 2: I would love nothing more. I think everyone at this point should speak frankly with anything to do with Tom Cruise. 00:03:08 Speaker 3: That's fair. It's not going to get back to him, right, He's probably the most insulated person in the world. 00:03:13 Speaker 2: I'm only going to have him for a couple more decades. 00:03:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's enjoy. Okay, what do you know? What did you think? 00:03:22 Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, you know, the hype it's crazy. White chocolate is a lot for me. 00:03:29 Speaker 3: Me too. 00:03:29 Speaker 2: I need something to cut that. 00:03:31 Speaker 3: And it ain't coconut. 00:03:32 Speaker 2: No, it's certainly not coconut or vanilla cake. Yeah, but I did enjoy it despite all of that. But it felt like something that I needed, like a pot of coffee, black coffee, to eat it with, to drink. 00:03:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. 00:03:44 Speaker 2: So when did you have it? Was it from Tom? 00:03:46 Speaker 3: It was from Tom Cruise? 00:03:48 Speaker 2: H So that's really cold. 00:03:49 Speaker 3: But it wasn't to me obviously yet you might be on the list. See, well, we'll see it doesn't come yet. But I felt like you could taste the hype and like the ingredients you just mentioned, you needed a little black coffee with the hype as well. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I guess he's probably someone who doesn't eat a lot of sweets. 00:04:10 Speaker 3: No, I don't think he ever does. 00:04:11 Speaker 2: So I imagined the first time he tried it, it was probably so exciting to try something sweet, and so it didn't really matter what it was. 00:04:17 Speaker 3: And he had like a not even he had a little thimble right exactly, just of it reduced down to like a paste. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, if he had like had a lick of a tootsy pop, he would have had the same reaction and everyone would be getting the Tom Cruise Tootsy Pop every year. So but God blessed me he's keeping this bakery in business. And it was not a bad cake. I'll say that it was. It was especially if you like very sweet things, which most people do, because most people have bad taste. Yeah, and again the bakery is wonderful and the cake is not bad. 00:04:47 Speaker 3: But well, I like where this's going. Because you and I seem to feel the same about this cake, which implies that we both have good taste. I'm gonna. 00:04:55 Speaker 2: Okay you and I out of this whole office. I'll say, right now, everyone should just leave the building. 00:05:00 Speaker 3: And you're not talking about just the studio that no one else is in. You, you and you. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: I'm pointing to no one right now. Listener YouTube. A listener watcher is getting a real treat with me pointing at nothing right now. They're they're out of their mind excited about this. But what sort of treat are you into? 00:05:21 Speaker 3: Well, my favorite is a kind of like coffee. Oh, a rich like toffee chocolate. But oh, you know what, there's these milk chocolate covered honeycombs at this little bakery and Pasadena called Little Flour. Oh, I like this. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: I've seen Little Flour and it's always kind of difficult to access. I see it off the side of the freeway and think, well, I would love to go there, but I'm never on that frontage. 00:05:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if you're trying to get to an in and out, you always go the next one, the next run. There's no other Little Flour. Yes, you gotta just plant it. 00:05:51 Speaker 2: But it's like a honeycomb. 00:05:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's like a it's not a hard honeycomb, but it's not soft. It's kind of just brittle and light and fluff. 00:06:01 Speaker 2: I think I grew up knowing that as sea foam. They would call it sea foam, which what is that? Just maybe just a Utah thing? 00:06:09 Speaker 3: But because you guys had no sea, Yeah, we were desperate naming everything. See names most of the things I know as seafoam. Even your name is kind of like over water. 00:06:19 Speaker 2: Right, and it's a desert. We just have a dead sea, that's right. That's essentially all the water in Utah than one piddly little river. So we're desperate for liquid for hydration. Seafoam. But I love that kind of candy. I never have it. It really buries itself in your molar. 00:06:35 Speaker 3: It does. It's there. Well, that's a blessing in a curse because a couple of days later lit like a little after taste, but like we well after taste right way, wait decades. 00:06:47 Speaker 2: I brush my teeth once a month, so okay, No, I love that sort of thing, and I love a toffee, but toffee can go weirdly wrong. 00:06:55 Speaker 3: You mean like if it's it goes bad for you. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: No, just like if somebody made it poorly. Yeah. I was in Palm Springs recently and I won't name the business. 00:07:02 Speaker 3: Was last weekend this past week following me and wait, what part of Utah are you from? 00:07:07 Speaker 2: Right outside of Salt Lake City, It's called South Jordan. 00:07:10 Speaker 3: My parents lived in Saint George. Oh you're kidding. 00:07:12 Speaker 2: No, Saint George's kind of Utah's Florida. Yeah, it's kind of the vacation spot of Utah. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: That sounds a lot like my ferret. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: It's also home to a lot of polygamists. 00:07:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not my parents. Well they could be. It could be. 00:07:27 Speaker 2: We would go to Utah as our little like getaway when I was growing up, about five hours south of Okay. 00:07:33 Speaker 3: Have you spent much time there in Saint George of Fairmount. I've never been to Salt Lake. Interesting. Yeah, But because they only lived there for about ten years. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: How did they end up in Saint George. 00:07:41 Speaker 3: I am still asking that question. I think my stepmom followed some friends there on a whim and then they got out just as quick. Now they're in Maryland. Oh. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: Interesting, what a swing to Wow, I can't. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: Account for any of this, it's just trust me. Wait, where did you grow up? Whittier, California? What is happening in the family on the run from something? 00:08:05 Speaker 2: They are because the rest of my family is all stuck. I feel like you start here, you stay here. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:11 Speaker 2: I love being in southern California. 00:08:13 Speaker 3: I do too. So did the beach Boys? Yeah? I know beach boys. 00:08:17 Speaker 2: They're not from whitty or they're from. 00:08:19 Speaker 3: Well, the little old ladies from Pasadena. That's all I could say, which is where I live now. They're from Hawthorne, Hawthorn. There we go. How are you going? 00:08:27 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Is Hawthorne? That's close to close, sish to Whittier kind of. 00:08:32 Speaker 2: I just assume anything outside of La Proper is just right next to each other, just in a line. 00:08:37 Speaker 3: It's everything outside of LA is like forty five minutes away, right circle. 00:08:41 Speaker 2: Within LA everything's twenty minutes and then forty five minutes. There really no other time spent or an hour and a half from five to seven pm. 00:08:50 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, at least. 00:08:53 Speaker 2: Wow, Saint George, that's so fascinating. And what was I what point was I trying to make you didn't want me to get to I know, why is it sensitive for you? 00:09:01 Speaker 3: Was I so scared of you? 00:09:04 Speaker 2: What were you doing there? 00:09:06 Speaker 3: When is this going out? 00:09:07 Speaker 2: This is going out January twenty twenty six. 00:09:10 Speaker 3: Okay, in the future. So my wife and I are expecting a child in January. So we went on a baby moon slash our friend's fiftieth birthday party. Two very different life events. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what was the How did you celebrate both of those? 00:09:26 Speaker 3: Well, we went to just a kind of bootique hotel getaway that if we're speaking taste, what's the hotel it's called? Like I could barely even pronounce it. Oh, Cracorea pension. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: Oh, this is kind of the Mediterranean one. Yeah, I've never been to that. Yeah, I go to Sparrow's Lodge. I'll try that next, Spara's Lodge if you can get a deal. It's the best place in the world. 00:09:47 Speaker 3: Why is it the best Because this place you couldn't get a working bathtub for a pregnant lady to save your life. And that's after multiple talks. 00:09:55 Speaker 4: No, this whole thing was. 00:09:57 Speaker 3: Supposed to be a comfort trip for her and alle. 00:09:59 Speaker 2: No are they reimbursing you? 00:10:02 Speaker 3: Listen, I really struggle with when I should complain and when I shouldn't. Sometimes it's good. Then maybe you could handle this for me. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: I got some bank fees reversed this morning. I'm happy to get in touch too. Today it was very easy. It was just very nice. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: Well we had four three hours. 00:10:19 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's your answer. We got to the answer in a very roundabout way. I noticed five fees that they had snuck in. I called the lady. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: Was very nice. 00:10:28 Speaker 2: I think at this point everyone's not on the side of the banks, even their employees there. 00:10:33 Speaker 3: What bank was this. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say, because then what if somebody up top gets in touch. 00:10:38 Speaker 3: Do you want to slam Tom cruise to no end? 00:10:41 Speaker 2: And I want that it was Chase Bank. Okay, the corporates don't want them figuring out that this woman reversed all of my fees. Is she in danger now? I didn't take the survey after the call. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: Oh my god, we got to get her out of here. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: I should have taken the survey and given her a five star. It's all a disaster. But you went to this place. It wouldn't bath wasn't like the faucet wasn't working. Or was there. 00:11:02 Speaker 3: They literally like, you know how there's a stopper. These are old bathtubs, so they just had this aftermarket stopper that was nowhere near close to ever. It was just folly that someone would even think a that this would work or fool someone. It just couldn't hold water, uh huh. So then they put us in a room with a sunken stone bathtub. Oh I like that, but their stopper was one of those suction cup ones. But you can't suction on flagstone with like ground, right, And it took so long. But by the time there was three inches of water in the bathtub, it was freezing cold. And this was after my poor wife, who's you know that hasn't had the easiest pregnancy. Sure, all she wanted was just some book time and some bathtime. Yeah, that's what you do on a vacation. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: I know you've got to complain or I'll write. I'm willing to write whatever thing I need to email, Yelp review, Google Review, trip Advisor. I'll get in there and burn this place down. 00:11:59 Speaker 3: Because I I was caught between a rock and a hard place, wanting to take care of this for her, her also going I don't want the stress. I don't want to do with this, so I just had to. Yeah, there's no winning there. 00:12:08 Speaker 2: If you had been at Sparrow's Lodge, you would have had a working bath and shower. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: Is have I been there? Is that the like? Are they green bungalows? 00:12:17 Speaker 2: No, it's it's like an old ranch that's been retro fitted. I'm trying to think. I think that they're a dark red color. So now you were really challenging my memory that I can't remember that. 00:12:28 Speaker 3: But I wouldn't trust me for that kind of thing. What color? 00:12:32 Speaker 2: Oh color, it's a hard one, it is. I think that's why they kind of talk about like why no one could be an eyewitness to anything. 00:12:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very trustworthy. You don't remember anything that has happened in the past. Let me ask you this one thing I do remember about the place that I think is Sparrow's Lodge, the adjoining walls on the rooms, but there's like a space on the bottom of the walls about three inches of just hair. 00:12:53 Speaker 2: Did you stay in a truck stop bathroom? 00:12:56 Speaker 3: Yes, but that wasn't this what. 00:12:59 Speaker 2: You've stayed in a place where the hotel rooms have a space under. 00:13:03 Speaker 3: The floor somewhere glamping and like safe house. I don't know. 00:13:11 Speaker 2: This is not the okay, I keep you can't go back to wherever that is. 00:13:15 Speaker 3: Go on, I won't go on. This has a big like a barn in the middle almost. That does sound familiar. 00:13:21 Speaker 2: And it's very quiet. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: Would they not let you play music or like talk to your friends after eight pm? Because that's another thing that happened at that point. I couldn't talk to my friends. 00:13:32 Speaker 2: Were you taking there in a blindfold? 00:13:34 Speaker 3: What I'm saying it was for a wedding? 00:13:36 Speaker 2: No? This you can talk after eight pm. That's one of the big selling points of Man. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: This is a four stars. The writs you got a pad. 00:13:47 Speaker 2: They let you have a s'more, which is wonderful. That that really gets me. 00:13:50 Speaker 3: God, this sounds like wow. 00:13:53 Speaker 2: But the space under I mean, that's crazy to me. That sounds dangerous. It does that sounds did you ever read I feel like there was like a New Yorker piece or something about these people that ran a motel or something in the heads they were spying on everyone in the rooms. That's all I can tell you. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: Okay, but that sounds like that. 00:14:10 Speaker 2: It sounds like that. 00:14:11 Speaker 3: It sounds situation, a kind of place that you go because you people are into that, like passing messages under the. 00:14:16 Speaker 2: Wall of right, like each other's feet. Yeah, it's the Wiki feet Hotel. Just the idea. 00:14:22 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it's not a bad idea. 00:14:24 Speaker 2: They need to expand that brand. The wiki Wiki feet is just a website. Why not turn it into a whole universe? 00:14:30 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:14:31 Speaker 2: Actually, got a book action figures that it's just like a bland doll and then very specific feet. 00:14:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, and footwear and footwear and it's just nothing. You paid one hundred dollars for a box. Think of that. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: I mean, in thirty seconds, we've thought of several new revenue streams for this company. 00:14:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:50 Speaker 2: Is it a company or is it just one perfect running a website? 00:14:52 Speaker 3: That's a good question. Hmm. I feel like it's now like a colloquium of perverts. Oh yeah, she's probably had to bring on like sub perverts. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: To run and cool the servers. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: And why did I say he? It could easily be a woman. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: It could be in anything. It's a it could be an animal. 00:15:11 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's an animal. It's an animal for feet. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Wow, So you were in Palm Springs and what happened with the fiftieth birthday that was very nice. 00:15:19 Speaker 3: Our lovely friend CC and of friends, we all went to dinner. They had a whole weekend. We just stopped in for the dinner because we had already had this baby moon plane. 00:15:28 Speaker 2: Right right, my boyfriend's about to turn fifty and it's either zero or one thousand for him. And I'm like, can you modulate the event because one of these things will cost beyond and then the other thing is us just being mad at each other alone at dinner. So maybe find a group of friends that want to do something within the United States. It's I don't I. 00:15:52 Speaker 3: Think at any cost avoiding mad at dinner having been there. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah every other night. 00:15:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what we're in for. I guess this is what we did. And I don't mean just you and me in our respective relationships, our partners as well. Oh of course that's what you just sign on. 00:16:09 Speaker 2: Birthdays are hard to I think there's a lot of unnecessary pressure. And I'm not somebody who really does celebrations, and neither is he, but especially for a milestone event, it feels like you have to do something. But when you never do anything. I guess it is kind of hard to figure out what speed you should be going at for that song. 00:16:26 Speaker 3: And I think it's hard for the partner of the person having the birthday because, like you said, you can't quite gauge what. 00:16:32 Speaker 2: He might want right exactly, because he the ideas he's given are nothing, or go to Vietnam, not in a war. 00:16:44 Speaker 3: To the oh, get enlisted. Wow, that's see, that's interesting. So where are you leaning? 00:16:51 Speaker 2: I was like, well, maybe we could go on a little trip within the continental United States, I mean, as birthdays in January, so it like kind of limits pleasant places to go unless you want snow weather. But neither of us wants anything to do with that, so that starts to narrow it down. And then I, well, are we just headed towards Palm Springs? 00:17:07 Speaker 3: Which I think is a great idea. Back to the Sparrow's life, back. 00:17:10 Speaker 2: To the Sparrow's ladge. That's where I'd like to have my fiftieth birthday. Maybe I can convince him. 00:17:14 Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, what have you have You ever had a big birthday celebration? Yeah, my fiftieth two years ago. Oh you're kidding, what did you do? I just we just got a room or like the patio area of the Raymond Restaurant in Pasadena, and I had a smallish group of people for dinner. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: Okay, see that seems like a reasonable adult's fiftieth birthday party. 00:17:37 Speaker 3: It was nice. It was nice. I couldn't complain. Yeah, it was that. You know, you're picking. It's not a party, so you've got your close people. 00:17:44 Speaker 2: There, normal conversation being had. 00:17:47 Speaker 3: The only not a complaint, The only regret I have is just the layout of the table was such where I couldn't I kind of got to talk to five people and there were probably another ten or fifteen that I never really got to speak to. 00:17:59 Speaker 2: Right, That's kind of the folly of every birthday party, which is that you really don't get to spend any time with anyone. Yeah, you just get to say hello and catch up briefly and then have to move on. 00:18:11 Speaker 3: I always just. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: Leave my own party. Is feeling guilty that I didn't spend time on other people? 00:18:15 Speaker 3: I do too. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 00:18:17 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just not the person for this sort of thing. Do you like having birthday parties or do you like to keep it simple? 00:18:23 Speaker 2: I don't know. I had three in a row. This year, I did not have one for the other three were wonderful. I said some very hard guidelines. I send an email with rules that the party will end at eleven PM, and I will ask people to leave, and I make it very clear what I want out of the party. And for the most part, is a nice time. But the problem is I don't get to talk to people that much. So it's just I don't like hosting people. I'd rather be well, I don't even know if i'd want to be a guest, So I guess the short answers, No, I don't like to. 00:18:52 Speaker 3: Have a party. You like them in theory. I like them in theory, and often in practice you ask yourself, how did I get here? How did my life come to this? Ya? 00:19:00 Speaker 2: I almost feel like I would like to send out a mass email that says, everyone respond to me. I want to see each of you individually, take me out to dinner. But then you wonder, Then there's that worry. What if people don't respond and suddenly you're you're the feeling of isolation. 00:19:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then if you're on your thirteenth dinner in a row. 00:19:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Then that's also ruining your life. I don't know if there's any winning. I forget and this is rough. I don't know, speaking of you know, bad things, things I'm not comfortable with. Yeah, Matt, I was excited to have you here today on the podcast. 00:19:33 Speaker 3: Understand. 00:19:34 Speaker 2: I thought, Matt will come over, we'll have a nice time, he won't interrupt the intro. 00:19:40 Speaker 3: We'll just be civil with each. 00:19:41 Speaker 2: Other and try to start the year off right. So I was a little surprised when I walked in and saw you holding what is from where I'm sitting, clearly a gift podcast is called. I said, no gifts. Yeah, don't you have anything to say about this. 00:20:01 Speaker 3: I just want you to know that going into this, I know I was breaking the code. 00:20:06 Speaker 2: Okay, so just right off the badge. 00:20:08 Speaker 3: And it's not like I didn't struggle with it now. In fact, I think I tailored the gift as a kind of acknowledgment to interesting Oh yeah, And I felt like the only way to do this is to hedge my bets. I have to give you a gift, okay, regardless of how no other guest in the history of the podcast has ever given you a gift. I want to be the first to just break that rule. And so I made use some things that you can use for me or for future guests that bring you gifts. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: Oh wonderful. Okay, well I'm glad to hear it was hard for you. 00:20:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was hard. Okay, it still is hard. 00:20:43 Speaker 2: It's in this wonderful little plaid red and black bag. 00:20:47 Speaker 3: You can use that as a little belt satchel. Yes, okay, well open it? Oh wait did you make these? I made you some no thank you cards? 00:20:57 Speaker 2: Eight no thank you cards and they look like real cars. 00:21:00 Speaker 3: Well should open? Yeah, sure, go for it. What is this? Is this elastic? That's my daughter's jewelry bead elastic? Oh? I like this. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: I've never seen something like that before, kind of a rainbow elastic. 00:21:12 Speaker 3: I need that back. 00:21:13 Speaker 2: Of course, this is this literally costs you a port. 00:21:16 Speaker 3: That's the real gift. 00:21:18 Speaker 2: This is a family heirloom. I wouldn't want to keep that of course. These okay, so this first one says you have deliberately disobeyed me, and it says my name on the front. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: This is great. 00:21:28 Speaker 2: And then real friends don't give gifts you did you handwrite all of that? 00:21:35 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:21:36 Speaker 2: This is like genuinely nice and different types of styles of handwriting fonts. I guess is it a font when you write it with your hand? 00:21:45 Speaker 3: That's a good question. M No. I think the font is the size all right, and it's a type face type face, so I can't be a t it's a hand face. 00:21:55 Speaker 2: It's a hand face, a handwriting, A handwriting to you, I say, boo hiss, I said no gifts. This is gorgeous. Thanks, but no thanks because I said no gift. 00:22:06 Speaker 3: How long did this take you? Well, I had a little time at my daughter's dance class, so I brought this. 00:22:11 Speaker 2: You're busy ignoring your daughter's style. 00:22:13 Speaker 3: I think this dance class has those kind of mirrors, like an interrogation room. I can't see in what I know what I know. 00:22:21 Speaker 2: They can see out, but you can't see in. That feels backward. 00:22:24 Speaker 3: It does feel backwards. I don't understand it. This feels also that we tried to cancel and they won't let us out, so we have another month, but then we're done. How long has it been a year? No, it's been a few months. Oh my god, what a scam. They're like multi level. 00:22:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's they might not even be dancing in there. They might just haven't seen it. 00:22:42 Speaker 3: Quietly, she comes out in full makeup, like. 00:22:47 Speaker 2: Is she uh, what sort of dancing is she learning? 00:22:49 Speaker 3: It's tapping jazz? Oh, okay, is that right? No tap in ballet. I don't know. I can't see it. 00:22:55 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, Okay, this is I look, I look, I said, And then there's a somebody giving the finger and then inside, oh gifts. 00:23:05 Speaker 3: That one's got one inside? 00:23:07 Speaker 2: Are you an artist? Draw? 00:23:09 Speaker 3: That depends on the day. I think you. Did you study art in school? I studied, Yeah, I studied. I went to study art and graphic design, but I was told by instructor that I was seduced by the line, so I moved to scenic design. My undergrad degree is in scenic design. Or seduced by the line. What does that even mean? I think? To him it was like, you need more form and shadow and abstract where I think I'm an illustrator. So that's why I was I kind of like to you know, like this correct graphic very right right. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: This is to me, you will always be truly inconsiderate, I said, no, gifts, this is incredible. I'm gonna have to give these away to guests. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, you can do that, thank you. 00:23:53 Speaker 2: But I said no gifts with a big what do we call this? I just always say ghostbusters thing. 00:23:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't. 00:24:01 Speaker 2: Sign no smoking. But it's over a gift. Gorgeous. Thanks but dot dot dot you failed. That's a nice I can save this for all sorts of occasions. Actually, and then oh and these are all the envelope. This is gorgeous, absolutely stunning. And you did these while your daughter was learning. 00:24:21 Speaker 3: For the most part. Yeah, I think I think. Do they give you a desk and pens? I was just doing them on a creaky chair last night. 00:24:31 Speaker 2: This all happened last night. Yeah, this would have taken me months. 00:24:34 Speaker 3: No, they're not. Yes, they are. 00:24:39 Speaker 2: The listener will see on Instagram or YouTube video. Get to see it on video. Very exciting that these are actually like professional level. 00:24:47 Speaker 3: That's kind. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: But I don't give me a break. Come on, stop fishing. 00:24:52 Speaker 3: You already said it. How can I be fishing. I'm trying to stop it. I'm throwing that fish back in the ocean. You're looking for more? No, I don't want it. Go on insatiable. 00:25:02 Speaker 2: Okay, So your daughter's learning tap and chance. 00:25:05 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, learning is it was this her idea or the parent's idea. I think I think she likes dancing, but it wasn't like she said, what's dance class? And when can I do it? You know she's four? She's four, Okay. 00:25:21 Speaker 2: Does she seem to be enjoying it? 00:25:23 Speaker 3: Yes? She does. One of her great friends at school is there so much so that when the dance class is over, her father and my and myself, we can't pull them apart. They're holding to each other, screaming at times. We had a rough goodbye last night. 00:25:36 Speaker 2: What's happening behind that mirror? Get out of this class? 00:25:42 Speaker 3: Try trauma? I can't. And it's like the hotel that we were at. It's just do you engage? Do you fight? When? Is when I've had to choose my battles in these things. 00:25:51 Speaker 2: It seems like you're just gonna roll over every time. 00:25:54 Speaker 3: Well I used to be the opposite, but you get to a place where you like, is it worth it? 00:25:57 Speaker 2: Is it worth it just to stand up for myself? 00:26:00 Speaker 3: And then I would stand up for myself with trivial things. Now something as big as a bathtub or a dance class. This is kind of my problem. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: I don't set up for myself often enough, then I find a situation where I'm like, oh, that's probably not worth standing up for myself, and then I do, and then I embarrass I'm embarrassed by it. Never stand up for myself again. 00:26:18 Speaker 3: Basically, I wrestle with it. 00:26:20 Speaker 2: How are you as a dancer? 00:26:23 Speaker 3: I'm good when I'm prepared to give into it, okay, but that's not most of the time. Most of the time I'm self conscious about it, right, But when I let go and go, I think I can dance in what sort of situation like a wedding, a fun wedding? Okay, Yeah, I don't find myself in dancing situations much more than that, although I dance at home with my daughter and my wife, like we dance around the house. 00:26:45 Speaker 2: You're dancing team, yes, captain captain of course, and please refer to me from captain dance dance. 00:26:53 Speaker 3: What are you dancing to around the house? Oh, you name it. It's a lot of K pop demon hunters. I got her onto like a prayer, which she likes. Yeah, I'm trying to kind of get some things I like in there, but they're not really taking but a lot of Disney Okay, sure. Sure. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: What was the K Pop Demon Hunter's Journey for you as a parent? 00:27:14 Speaker 3: I brought it home you. I was patient zero. 00:27:17 Speaker 2: Wow, I know, fascinating. That is not how I would have imagined that. 00:27:21 Speaker 4: Go. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: I don't think it's how it happens most times. But I had heard about I think most of my podcast listening is film based, and so I had heard enough about it. And I was pretty big in anime when I was younger, okay, okay, and I just know my daughter's tastes and I was like, she's she's going to go crazy for this. 00:27:38 Speaker 2: So you were an early adopter then, I guess I was. I don't like it kind of just was suddenly the biggest thing in the universe. But I don't what did Netflix like release it and then it quietly started to become a big thing or was it? 00:27:50 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:27:50 Speaker 3: Interesting? It was the I think their biggest week after week growth film they've ever had. 00:27:57 Speaker 2: Maybe congratulations to net I know, God, we're rooting for them. 00:28:01 Speaker 3: We will. You're gonna be calling them for your bank fees pretty soon. 00:28:08 Speaker 2: Have my Netflix debit card? 00:28:10 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:28:11 Speaker 2: Wow, So that's a father to daughter interesting? 00:28:14 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:28:14 Speaker 2: And how was she immediately into it or was it something where she had to figure it out? Because to me, it doesn't make sense for like a child, like it feels kind of for teens or something. 00:28:23 Speaker 3: I think you're right. I don't want to like say my daughter has advanced tastes. But she likes when people are scared. She loves when people are in danger, hurt or scared within the thing, not with, not the viewing part, not always, not always. 00:28:42 Speaker 2: She loves like a good like ouchy story okay, or fall down story or why did you cry? 00:28:49 Speaker 3: So she's cruel, She's just a cruel heart curious. Yeah, I wouldn't call her cruel, but she's she's experimenting with it. 00:28:57 Speaker 2: This is this is a scary person I know. 00:29:01 Speaker 3: Is she currently an only child? She is until January siblings for Room Awakening. Yeah, well she might also be that's that thing. I mean, our daughter Glenn. She's really incredible. She's just a whirlwind. She's Tasmanian double right right, And everybody keeps saying, oh, well you've got that. Now you're going to have the calm one on the what if this is the call one? 00:29:23 Speaker 2: Oh right, that's always a possibility. Something much worse could be around the term I see around them. I don't know what the phrase is, around the band, around the bend, around around the works. Yeah, it all applies to babies being born. Yeah, speaking of scary things, I just saw Paranormal Activity the play about it. 00:29:47 Speaker 3: I have heard about this because I teach theater online and they have to see a play and someone wrote a critique on this play. What did they have to say about it? Just that they were pleasantly surprised. They never thought it could be as good as one of them movies, and they liked it. I was shocked. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: I really expected a tacky time and it wasn't. I don't see enough place to really say, but it seemed done well enough that I wasn't like, well this is it's embarrassing when I'm here. 00:30:15 Speaker 3: It's not campy, it's it's just no, it's very sincere. It's very it really. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: I mean, my complaints would probably be that it just like in order to build tension. It's just extremely boring up until the scary part. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Yes, that's their memo. 00:30:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the first half an hour. I was a little dozing off until the first big scare. Then I was awake for the rest of the time, and I'm not easily scared by things. My boyfriend as he was freaking out, but I at least kind of it registered for me that it could be scary to other people. So you have your emotions, might just make it inside, but you acknowledge the listener knows. I feel nothing. I have a long history of feeling I absolutely nothing. 00:30:59 Speaker 3: I've heard of that for like empathy when people go through hard time, but for scares, I've never heard of that kind of lack of empathy for I guess you're saying you have empathy for scares, but you can't feel it yourself. Yeah, I guess. Okay, Well that's admirable. Is that a psychopath? No? No, I think that's the opposite of a psychopath. You can't help that you're superhuman and not afraid of anything on this earth. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: But I'm a very strong man. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: Yes, but that you empathize that weaker people. 00:31:26 Speaker 2: Can, right right, Okay, Yes, I'll lead us into whatever scary thing the world is headed towards because it won't scare me. 00:31:34 Speaker 3: Okay, but it was. 00:31:35 Speaker 2: There were some frightening moments there were I tried to I was like, is this a play or is it a magic show or some moments where it's like, well, this is more of an illusion or a magic trick than a I don't know. It was scary enough. I didn't expect how like, how could a play possibly scare people? 00:31:50 Speaker 3: Right? People were shrieking, the audience shrieking. Were they coming out in the audience at all? Was there anything nothing like that at all? Yeah? 00:31:57 Speaker 2: I kind of expected something like that, and it was all on stage, and uh, yeah, I've said this, but I think the moral of the play was essentially, don't run anybody over with your car. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: That willet. 00:32:12 Speaker 2: It's not even morals, that's just put it on your lists, don't run anyone over. But yeah, do you get scared easily? 00:32:24 Speaker 3: I do? Yeah, jump scares. It's not that I'm scared. I don't get scared, like existentially afraid of that. I do have plenty of other things in life, but movies, it's more just when is it coming? When is it coming? 00:32:36 Speaker 1: Right? 00:32:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I do get scared. 00:32:38 Speaker 2: I feel like people really complain about jump scares and say they're cheap or whatever, but I feel like that's kind of the only way you can get me at this point. 00:32:45 Speaker 3: I don't. I think, when done well, they're the best. 00:32:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so so much fun. Yeah yeah, but other things, ghosts, that kind of thing don't really do anything for me either. 00:32:53 Speaker 3: I think I'm much more scared of like a slasher film, because it could really happen exactly than ghost. I like certain ghost movies. I like to believe for the movie that it's fun, but I'm not gonna go to bed worried that, you know, Annabelle's coming or whatever. 00:33:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I mean, my number one favorite is a haunted house movie, but there aren't enough of those. Yeah, And most of the haunted house movies now take place in new builds, which I don't like. 00:33:16 Speaker 3: All the paranormal. Yeah, it's like talking new builds in like Corona, California, ex these. Yeah. 00:33:23 Speaker 2: No, I need some sort of Victorian, some sort of wind Chester or mystery house vibe. 00:33:28 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite Haunted house movie? 00:33:30 Speaker 2: I love The Haunting. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say the Haunting, the original? 00:33:34 Speaker 2: What if I loved the ninety nine on that. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: Something to be said like a miss fire. I know it was, it was. I can't even say because we rented that like three years ago, and I fell Asleep Pathway Through right, who's in it? It's like Catherine Zada Jones, Liam Neeson, Ellen Wilson, and Lily what's her name? Lily Taylor? Yeah, I think so, but not the new Lily Taylor. 00:33:57 Speaker 2: Now there's an old Wait what Lily Taylor want point? Oh Lily Taylor is? I don't know who Lily Taylor even is? My Lily reach out. My apologies are, but I don't know this person. 00:34:07 Speaker 3: The new is the wait, who's David Harbor's girlfriend that he cheated on? Lily Allen? Okay, that's Lily Allen is not in and it must be Lily Taylor. Lily Taylor, you've probably got it brought up on your screen. 00:34:19 Speaker 2: You could say, we're going to guess light you from here. You're not seeing that whatever your reality is back there is not true Lily Taylor. Interesting Now, I've I only ever saw the trailer of it, and I love the original so much that I thought I'll stay away from the originally, and I love the book too. Oh I'm never really spooky, really very spooky, and the original movie is kind of. 00:34:41 Speaker 3: Very I've heard it really holds up and yeah, I've seen it. But it's been a long time. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: Has a lot of loud, the loud pounding noise which is bright. Oh yeah, that's kind of mysterious coming from nowhere. But that's probably my number one favorite horror movie. Oh that the Shining Strangers. 00:34:57 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, those are all good. Haunted house, haunted ho tell, haunted cabin. 00:35:01 Speaker 2: But haunted home invasion, yeah, haunted. 00:35:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have a favorite? I mean, I have a long history with Halloween and I love it. Okay, I hate it. What's this long? 00:35:14 Speaker 2: Well, I just was shown it as a small the movie itself. I thought you're talking about just the holiday and general. 00:35:20 Speaker 3: My babysitter made me watch it when I was young, and so shaped my life more than I care to admit. And so I have always had this morbid fascination and I love it. And then the house is in South Pasadena. Every year for Halloween we go, rather than visit Santa Claus at Christmas, we take my daughter to see Michael Myers. How does she feel about that? Well, it varies from year to year. This year she did want to go near it, and we don't force it on her, right, But it is funny because these are not like professionally associated Michael Myers's. They're just people dressed up so you'll get like a tall one, a short one of brand show. When every variety of Michael Myers you can imagine sex Michael. They're all there. 00:36:00 Speaker 2: Every Michael Myers is a sexy Michael Myers. That's what's happening under that jumpsuit. They should have a Santa at that house. 00:36:07 Speaker 3: They should. 00:36:08 Speaker 2: I just feel like we make that a year round destination. 00:36:10 Speaker 3: Because now it looks almost like a gingerbread house. Right, it's been restored and it's very Victorian. It's kind of by the train. It's right, it's probably fifteen feet maybe too close, too close, ruining if the train derailed. The first thing to go is the Myers house. 00:36:25 Speaker 2: And what about what's the character's name, Laurie, Laurie Strode is her house in the same area. 00:36:29 Speaker 3: It's if you walk across the street and then a few blocks in where the library is in South Pasadena. It's across the street there and that was original recently for sale. Oh I went to look at it and it's been subdivided into three different use Yeah, it's a shame. Yeah, why didn't Jamie buy it? Good question. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: What is she doing with her money. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: In buying her houses? And then there's the place where the hedges you know from that movie where he peaks around. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, the hedge is still there. 00:36:58 Speaker 3: The hedge is still there. And not only that, but the house on the other side of the hedges from Mama's family. Okay, let's Mama's family is what we should be talking. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, wow, those hedges. How long does a hedge live? Is it the original hedge? 00:37:11 Speaker 3: That's a good question. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: Probably that'd be a forty five year old hedge. 00:37:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, at least I know. 00:37:17 Speaker 2: Oh I need to see that hedge. I'd like to stick my hand through it or something. 00:37:20 Speaker 3: You can walk, I mean, you can go up to it as much as you like. Is it on someone's property, Yeah, but it's right there by the sidewalk, you know. 00:37:26 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you could grab the homeowner. 00:37:28 Speaker 3: You could. It might be Mama and then pee wee Herman's house from the movies right around the corner. Too. 00:37:35 Speaker 2: Incredible. Yeah, and it looks just like it did in the movie. 00:37:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's white or yellow? Now? Oh white? What color is in the movie? Wasn't it red? 00:37:44 Speaker 2: See again, we're going back to what colors I can remember. 00:37:46 Speaker 3: Maybe it's red. Now, see I've got it all wrong. I do know. There's like a three inch space under the walls that you can if you want. 00:37:53 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to speak after eight pm in that house. Okay, well I have my car words here? Do you have anything left to say about thinking? Do you send thank you cards? 00:38:04 Speaker 3: Occasionally? I do not, as a rule. 00:38:06 Speaker 2: What sort of thing has to happen in order for you to send a thank you card? 00:38:11 Speaker 3: I think it has to have been a gift that I received that I wasn't able to say thank you for, oh, for some reason, right, or something special. So I will at times, but I don't. I'm not one of those, you know, obsessive thank you card right. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: Some people are very good at it, Yeah, very on top of it. They do it right away. 00:38:29 Speaker 3: I know. 00:38:30 Speaker 2: I never do it at all. Yeah, classless. 00:38:34 Speaker 3: It adds an air of mystique, that's true. They won't. 00:38:37 Speaker 2: You just leave them wondering if you cared about the gift. 00:38:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, what did I get wrong? And then I'm gonna try harder next year. 00:38:42 Speaker 2: It's better and better every year. Yeah, until the person's life has been absolutely demolished. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Well, you've made a career off getting gifts, so if you were to start now. 00:38:50 Speaker 2: It would be a career as a generous Well, you're gonna have to know, I know, of course I'm gonna have I mean, I will give these away to guests after guests. The I think the third gift I got on this was Lauren Lapus brought some thank you cards. Oh and I don't know my apologies to Lauren Lapiz. I'm not quite sure what happened to this, but it was an early pandemic, so I wasn't responsible for anything. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: I was going to ask if you had a chest or a trunk of every gift. I have a garage a garage, but they're not all in one place or anything. 00:39:20 Speaker 2: No, I uh, there are a bunch here in the studio now, Thank god. Kind of the most camera ready gifts? 00:39:26 Speaker 3: Who gave you the Redneck Plunger? Rob Hubell? 00:39:29 Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah, that was a great one. I think I wonder if I would be able to remember I've received probably I mean hundreds of gifts at this point. It'd be an interesting challenge for my memory and my gratitude to see if I knew which each gift who gave each gift. 00:39:46 Speaker 3: It would be cool to stack them all in a room and have you go through and see if you could get them right. Oh my god, that would be harrid. I mean you have to match them with names, so you get to see all the names right. Reminded, I think, I probably it's a price is right game. 00:39:59 Speaker 2: And what I win just the knowledge that my brain is still functioning in vacuum. If I get a vacuum, I will do anything, draw on a vacuum. I've gotten a vacuum on this podcast. My boyfriend gave me the vacuum, and I told him not to spend too much money on it. He came on the podcast and gave me a vacum. What kind of vacuum it might be? Abissle Really yeah, it works pretty well. 00:40:21 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: I mean our other vacuum was working just fine. That was the big problem. You complained and complained and complained about the vacuum. It was working totally fine, So it was upsetting to get a new vacuum. 00:40:32 Speaker 3: I see. But he wanted it, but he disguised it as a gift, right to stealth gift. 00:40:37 Speaker 2: Kind of a classic sitcom Trope. Here's the bowling Pall, honey, that kind of thing. Well, I think we should play a game. Okay, We're going to play a game called Gift Master. But I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: Four. Okay. 00:40:51 Speaker 2: I have to do some light calculating to get our game pieces. So right now, you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want. 00:40:57 Speaker 3: I'll be right back. Oh golly, well, I'm having a child in January thirty first, so come on and check that out. We'll probably be at a hospital near you. What else can I tell you? I have a couple of podcasts, I guess with Gorley and Rust and Bananas for Bonanza, and you can check those out. And there's the Conan O'Brien podcast. 00:41:22 Speaker 4: There's everyone. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: Go leave a one star review for everything you just heard. 00:41:36 Speaker 3: Please do, but only if you go to that hotel and give it to them as well. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: No, go listen to Matt's wonderful. Let's support Matt. Also, I've never I haven't mentioned in years that people should be leaving reviews for this podcast. Do those matter anymore? 00:41:52 Speaker 3: I they might bump you up in the algorithm, but I don't know. Do people even I think a lot of people spread their listening among different podcast apps. Now, so you used to all be Apple based, and I don't know. 00:42:04 Speaker 2: Does anyone care about anything anymore? 00:42:06 Speaker 3: Is the big question. I don't go leave a. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: Review stopping selfish, leave a gorgeous review of this podcast, and then a bunch of one starts for Matt again. Okay, this is how we play gift Masters. I'm going to name three celebrities, three famous people, and then I'm going to name three gifts things you can give away. You're going to tell me which gift you would give which person and why I love it. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: Does that make perfect sense? Ye? All right. 00:42:27 Speaker 2: The celebrities today are number one Alec Baldwin, number two Jamie Lynn Spears, and number three Margaret Atwood. The gift you will be giving are a bullet bike, rock hard abs and omnipotence. That's more of an experience. 00:42:42 Speaker 3: I have some questions. What's a bullet bike? A bullet bike that's what Jamie Lynn Spears. 00:42:49 Speaker 2: It's on the I'm trying to Jamie Lynn Spears is a very fast motorcycle, and a bullet bike is Britney Spears younger sister. 00:42:57 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, bullet bike, omnipotence. What do we call that? I call that a bullet bike? 00:43:03 Speaker 2: The you know, the very the small stylish looking motorcycles that aren't a dirt bike or Harley. What is that called? 00:43:10 Speaker 3: Oh, we used to call they had a brand name. They're called Ninja's when I was. 00:43:14 Speaker 2: Young, Ninjas. 00:43:16 Speaker 3: But like a street bike, kind of like a street racing bike. A bullet bike maybe that? Okay, so a bullet bike. Omnipotence and rock Hard Abs and Jamie Lynn Spears, Margaret Atwood and Alec Baldwin, who I saw at Disneyland a couple of weeks ago. You're kidding with the whole crew? The whole crew. Are they still doing the reality show? I don't know. They've been followed by a camera crew. No, they were there, but I think because his wife was on Dancing with the Stars and they all contractually have to do some like b roll at Disney. 00:43:43 Speaker 2: Oh. I'm sure he was having the time of his life. 00:43:46 Speaker 3: Seemed like he was okay with it. He has like forty kids. Yeah, it's crazy, and they were all there. Yeah, have you seen the reality show? We watched the first episode. I got enough. 00:43:58 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating experience. 00:44:00 Speaker 3: On many levels. On many levels, it's very How did she do in Dancing with the Stars. I don't know. 00:44:07 Speaker 2: I feel like she's probably not that great of a dancer. 00:44:09 Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like it. I don't think she was well liked. I don't think people were. You know, you can get voted above your dancing talent. 00:44:17 Speaker 2: Just sany really took it away for quite a while. Yeah, but I feel like she's not a well loved doesn't seem what's your name, Hilario Baldwin re? Yeah, yeah, and you can go in between accents. Oh yes, so you saw him Disneylan. Did you see what ride they were going on? 00:44:38 Speaker 3: No, they were They were outside the like fantasyland place where you can get pancakes. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: That's a good thing when you have forty children. 00:44:48 Speaker 3: Were just like corawling up all of them and I think they had to do that every fifteen minutes to make sure they didn't lose someone. And you know how you can go to Disneyland with those plaid vested guides. Oh yes, yes, seem like we had three. That's a minimum. 00:45:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, that size of family. 00:45:03 Speaker 3: Okay, bullet bike, omnipotence and rock hard abs from Margaret Atwood, Jamie Lynn Spears, and Alec Baldwin, mister Hilario, Margaret Atwood the author. Yeah, but what does she write? 00:45:18 Speaker 2: She wrote most famously the handmade Stexts. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I'm going to give her omnipotence. Okay, Okay? Why? I just feel like if she has that kind of perception for that book, being as old as it is and as prescient as it's become. Sure even at the time I could see how she had written. 00:45:34 Speaker 2: It, she should be able to control whatever she wants. 00:45:36 Speaker 3: I trust her with the keys more than Alec and Jamie. 00:45:40 Speaker 2: Okay, I would lean Jamie. Would You don't see what Jamie has to do with unlimited power. She's got the brain, she's got. 00:45:46 Speaker 3: What is she done with limited power? Because they say, you know, having some limits is a good thing. But she's going to go full Kiligula or something. Okay, I'm comfortable with that, Okay. And and Keys to the World, Keys to the Bike? How old is Jamie Lynn Spears? Now? Is she fit? Does she already have rock hard abs? I don't want to give her a gift she doesn't need. 00:46:08 Speaker 2: Right, you don't want to double up on rock hard abs, but. 00:46:11 Speaker 3: I'm hesitant to give Alex rock card abs. 00:46:13 Speaker 2: That's almost like ultimate ultimate power for him, I know. 00:46:16 Speaker 3: And if she does have rock hard abs, is he still is stack right? 00:46:19 Speaker 2: That's your looking person? 00:46:22 Speaker 3: Yeah? Interesting, but I'd love to see him on a bullet bike. 00:46:26 Speaker 2: Yeahs A balance. 00:46:28 Speaker 3: Is yeah, Google, Jamie lin Spears, Let's see what she looks like right now? 00:46:32 Speaker 2: Okay, this is that's a out Jamie Lin Spears, twenty twenty five. Let's see Google, Google shut down. Your whole search engine is so bad. The images that we're getting are too small. The resolution should be bigger. 00:46:47 Speaker 3: Look at this. 00:46:47 Speaker 2: How blurry that photo is. That's this year, that's this year. Okay, So she looks like she probably doesn't need rock hard abs. 00:46:56 Speaker 3: Okay, then I have no choice. I guess like my hand is worst. I don't even know if she wants a bullet bike, but Jamie Spears is getting a bullet bike. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: I can see her zipping around town on one of those Tokyo. 00:47:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, the pictures you showed me, she's in kind of like a Catholic schoolgirl thing, which is very Japanese school uniform. 00:47:14 Speaker 2: I can see her kind of pulling that all together and making that her new thing, her comeback, her comeback as someone who drives around Tokyo. 00:47:22 Speaker 3: In a bullet bottom and on one and then, Yes, Alec Baldwin gets rock hard abs, but no other part of his body is allowed to improve. 00:47:32 Speaker 2: Every other part of his body has to get much much worse. 00:47:35 Speaker 3: Yes, so. 00:47:40 Speaker 2: Fascinating that that gets another reality show, I would tell And if he. 00:47:44 Speaker 3: Wants to just catch him at the right height through a porthole, you would think, like, this is the most fit man. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: A porthole just to look at men's abbs. 00:47:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's just like it's like a family friendly glory hole. 00:47:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Okay, well you answered this perfectly. Thank you very well done. This is the final segment of the podcast. It's called I Said No Emails. People write into I Said No gifts at gmail dot com desperate for answers. People are wondering all sorts of things and begging for help, etc. We hope me answer a question. All right, this is hello Cold. My stepfather's birthday is approaching. I'll be honest. Despite living together for a decade, we still don't know a lot about each other. As far as I know, he likes two things, Siamese cats and woodworking. I have given him figurines of Siamese cats for the past several gifts. I think I need to get him something else at this point, as his desk is running out of room for Siamese cats. What do you get for the man who likes nothing? He doesn't like restaurants or movies? Thanks, and that's from jmm. They them terrible stepchild. Get him a new stepchild. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: Get into him an actual Siamese cat. 00:48:55 Speaker 2: I mean, this is something I'm a huge advocate of, is giving people live animal most pets. 00:49:00 Speaker 3: I think that's responsible. 00:49:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a win for the person and the animal. We know that everyone will be taken care of in that situation. The more the merrier. Yeah, Siamese cats, they're expensive, they're classy. H he loves them? 00:49:18 Speaker 3: Does he? 00:49:18 Speaker 2: Does he own any or is he just obsessed with the concept or is. 00:49:21 Speaker 3: This one of those runaway things where someone thinks you like something so they keep getting all you mentioned it once, you know? And now the stepchild sees all these like Siamese cat bricker brac everywhere, but doesn't stop to think that they gave them. 00:49:36 Speaker 2: All right, right, and meanwhile, like the rift between them is growing. They don't think that this person enjoys anything. He doesn't think that they know anything about him, And the pile of cat garbage is just growing and growing and growing. 00:49:52 Speaker 3: I think you got to take Siamese cats off the table. You have a clue here. With woodworking. I enjoy woodworking. I know you can get it's their somewhat pricey, but there's a brand called Woodpeckers that makes these really good precision measuring instruments like mini squares and stuff like that. And I think if your stepfather likes and enjoys woodworking, having one of these quality things would really make the difference. I love them. What are you making with your woodworking? Just home renovations and shelves and lanterns and shits. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: Lanterns. Yeah, I mean it's some lanterns. I've made seven lanterns, like maybe eight. I don't know what inspired the lantern idea, just having a backyard that needed lanterns. 00:50:38 Speaker 3: It's like I took a look and said this, some lanterns could spruce this place up. Is this all self taught? 00:50:44 Speaker 2: Well? 00:50:45 Speaker 3: I was a scenic design manager, so I learned some basic carpenter skills. Then, but then I've had to kind of YouTube a lot. 00:50:51 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, have you had any failed projects? 00:50:54 Speaker 3: Oh? Sure? Like what well, just recently, I've been building out a back house studio office, and so I decided to build a standing desk within a built in like kind of grander desk. Oh and then I did that, and then the standing desk mechanism broke and I had already built it in, so I had to destroy it. Oh, and then remake it so I could take it apart. If this happens again, I had a waste of time. 00:51:21 Speaker 2: It was. 00:51:21 Speaker 3: It was one of the hardest days of my life. 00:51:23 Speaker 2: Did it damage the original desk? 00:51:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to destroy the whole desk. Not the whole desk, I had to destroy the two inner sides of it. Oh my god. I did just crowbar it apart. It was like killing a child. 00:51:34 Speaker 4: It was hard. 00:51:36 Speaker 3: How did it break? The mechanism just was trying to recalibrate. But because I had built this was my mistake. I built it into a desk. It was rubbing up on parts that it should be. Oh, and it broke itself or I did it? 00:51:52 Speaker 2: Just bad workmanship on my part, the poor carpenter who blames his desk. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: I'm taking the blame. I am. I got to it eventually. I didn't want to admit it at first. And are you staining all of it? And all this staining finishing masonry. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: My dog recently not off a part of my armchair, the wood leg, and I don't know what to well, just part of it. I don't know. Should I just put some stain on there and hope people don't notice? Or is it sand it down. 00:52:16 Speaker 3: Three dimensionally pulled apart or just on the like surface. 00:52:19 Speaker 2: You know, it's like a little you know leg, it's like round. 00:52:22 Speaker 3: And curvy, like a mid century kind of. 00:52:25 Speaker 2: Or almost like a Victorian or something like Gabriel Lake, you know, like I would say, like French Ish, I don't know exactly. 00:52:34 Speaker 3: How like a claw foot kind of thing. 00:52:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little clawfoot Gabriel leg. Okay, yeah, whatever that is. 00:52:40 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 00:52:40 Speaker 2: That's what this and she not off essentially the knee of it. So now it's like kind of like do I sand that down and then stain it? I don't want to take it to somebody. That seems like a lot to put an armchair in the car to get this one little thing figs. 00:52:54 Speaker 3: You can sand it and then you'll probably fill it a little bit with some filler filler if they're there's little divots in it. It's flat, it's flat in flat shape. You know what you get. Restore a finish. 00:53:05 Speaker 2: Restore a finish, and it's. 00:53:06 Speaker 3: Something you can just rub on and you can buy it in the kind of color of the finish of the whole and try that at least and see if that helps you. But usually that if it's just like superficial Mars and din'ts like you can. 00:53:19 Speaker 2: And sand it a little bit first. 00:53:20 Speaker 3: Don't sand it first. You just put this in and it'll usually darken it up and kind of then you've kind of buffet a little bit. Restore a finish. Yeah, and there's no E on the restore. It's like restore hyphen a hyphen. 00:53:31 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, restore a finish. 00:53:33 Speaker 3: And if there isn't be really careful something that's another brand. I do not condon't. God knows what will happen. Yeah, I don't endorse. 00:53:41 Speaker 2: But we're saying, uh jmm, get some sort of woodworking woodpecker tool. No more Siamese cats unless they're the real thing. Yeah, and the best breeder you can find go to the cat mill. 00:53:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: This podcast is very pro animal mill, puppy and cat shop. Don't adopt. I had some listeners attack me about my dog that we recently got. They thought that I had bought her. What have I done on this podcast that makes people think I'm going to able to buy a dog? 00:54:09 Speaker 3: You just said, and if you've said anything like that before, I would imagine that's why they thought that I adopted her. Of course I rescued the dog. Okay, well what kind of dog? And what's the dog's name. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: She's a Rottweiler named Bonnie. Wow, she's ten months old and she's in heat. Really, she's becoming a woman. I've never dealt with something like this. To get her, she has to get spade. But they say you should go through at least one heat with a puppy. 00:54:35 Speaker 3: That makes sense because it prevents. 00:54:37 Speaker 2: Let's urn their issues. Yeah, maybe you avoid some cancer or something. 00:54:41 Speaker 3: So future Bonnie, how did you happen on the name Bonnie? I wanted to name her Ronnie, after Ronnie Spector. I love Ronnie Spoter, but my boyfriend her last dog was named Edie, and she was frequently being called Eddie, being misgendered Edie, and I know where that goes. 00:54:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jim said let's give her a nice, clear Bonnie. And so that was close enough. 00:55:02 Speaker 3: Oh I see, Okay, Yeah. 00:55:04 Speaker 2: I'm sorry with pet gender. I'm like, it's not very high stakes for me. 00:55:07 Speaker 3: No, I mean we named her daughter Glenn. I mean it's clearly. 00:55:11 Speaker 2: Not for me either, when people really get sensitive about a pet's gender. I don't own the dog. I don't own the cat. I'm just assuming. Yeah, don't get after me that if I say he or she. It's just let me know in a nice, non aggressive way. 00:55:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. It's a dog. It's a dog. 00:55:31 Speaker 2: And we love the dog. Yeah, we love Bonnie. 00:55:32 Speaker 3: Wait, you have a cat? 00:55:34 Speaker 2: A cat, not a Siamese. 00:55:36 Speaker 3: No, she's part main coon. Oh, high maintenance. 00:55:42 Speaker 2: A lot of fur, a lot of fur shedding it. 00:55:45 Speaker 3: No, she pulls a lot off, but it doesn't like she doesn't leave a wake of fur. Okay, And I'm I think fairly allergic, but not to her because she's one of those kind of long hair oh aologenic and she's like a kind of like a plus sized mob. I love this cat. She knows it. He's beautiful and she knows it. She'll let you know it. I love her though. She's kind of the person in all of our family that will acknowledge me first in the morning. 00:56:12 Speaker 2: What's her name? 00:56:13 Speaker 3: Margo? Margo? I love that. 00:56:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:56:15 Speaker 2: And how old is she? 00:56:16 Speaker 3: She's I'm fourteen. Oh wow, yeah, but even another decade with that cat, I hope. So. I love ke. Yeah, she's one of my best friends. 00:56:23 Speaker 2: I just learned that when at least a dog goes in heat, they do something called blowing their coat, which is suddenly all of their fur is just all over the. 00:56:31 Speaker 3: House, and that's a heat thing. Yeah. 00:56:33 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, is she like, is she malnourished? What's happening? She might be we're't you know, maybe we're bad pet owners, but I think she's healthy. And when they're in heat, they just suddenly start losing tons and tons the amount of hair that a dog is able to produce. Yeah, that they leave enough around the house to like fill a garbage can and still have fur on their body. It's yeah, I don't know, nature, jamm If you've gotten some sort of answer, and I know you have that it's time to repair your relationship with the stepfather. Ten years is too long to hate each other. It's time to live in some sort of civil household with all of the Siamese cats. 00:57:11 Speaker 3: You by him. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: We answered the question perfectly. I have all of these thank you cards. This is perfect. Every guest from the next eight people. 00:57:23 Speaker 3: I know. 00:57:23 Speaker 2: That's when you say, should I give them an order as just sequentially or should I give them what I care? Yeah, that's what I could create some drama. 00:57:30 Speaker 3: This comes with no, you know, no expectations, So use them how you will. 00:57:35 Speaker 2: This podcast could use some drama in the headlines. You know, somebody's mad they didn't get a thank you card. They will never come back. 00:57:40 Speaker 3: Well, now they know that they could get one exactly. Oh man, I really put you in a bond. Yes, I mean starting with me, starting with I know. Oh my god, I know, what do you do there? Oh my god, I feel like I've got to give you one. No, no expectations. I told you this was very tacky. I've ever seen them. I've already seen them. 00:57:59 Speaker 2: Well, I'll think about it, Okay, think about it. Thank you for these. I've had such a nice time with you here today. 00:58:04 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me listener. The podcast is over. 00:58:07 Speaker 2: I'm letting you go. I've decided to release you for the day and go do something else, find something nice to do. I love you, goodbye, I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is on Alise Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on Instagram, and I said, No Gifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts? 00:58:45 Speaker 1: And why did you hear? 00:58:50 Speaker 3: Fun? 00:58:50 Speaker 2: A man? 00:58:51 Speaker 1: Myself perfectly clear? But you're a guess, Tom, you gotta come to me empty And I said, no, guest, your own presence is presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me?