Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. It's mystery short stories of things we simply
Speaker 1: don't know the answers to. Hey, guys, welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways. This one's a shorty bonus episode.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Yeah, sorry about that. We'll try
Speaker 1: to be better about that. We won't though, we're lazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah we are. Um, if you're joining us for the
Speaker 1: first time, I'm Devin, joined by Steve and Joe, and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Vela incidents. This is
Speaker 1: one of the scarier ones, well not really in space
Speaker 1: where nobody can hear you scream. Don't remind me, don't
Speaker 1: remind me. So okay, you guys remember the Cold War
Speaker 1: that they it lasted like twenty years, a little longer
Speaker 1: than that. It was about twenty years to site. Actually,
Speaker 1: this is interesting. Historians are like very hotly debate how
Speaker 1: long it lasted. Yeah, well, I mean that definitely there
Speaker 1: was there was a really cold, cold part of it,
Speaker 1: and then there it was like ninety five up to
Speaker 1: like the seventies, and then there was detents and then
Speaker 1: and then things kind of went downhill again with Afghanistan
Speaker 1: and stuff. But then finally sort of economies are kind
Speaker 1: of like through in the towel in nine when the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union fell. Hopefully I got that date right. So
Speaker 1: one of the things that happened, and in this thing,
Speaker 1: the Cold War, in the middle of it, really was
Speaker 1: that in nineteen sixty three there was a signing of
Speaker 1: what is officially called the Treaty Banning Nuclear weapon tests
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, in outer space and underwater, which is
Speaker 1: more often referred to as the Partial Test Band Treaty, which,
Speaker 1: as you can understand, you would call it something shorter. Obviously.
Speaker 1: It all that stuff, the thing about testing weapons in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere and outer space, testament outer space. Will you
Speaker 1: fry a lot of satellites with the MP so it
Speaker 1: really is a practical good thing to do. Basically, it
Speaker 1: said that no nation could test detonate nuclear weapons except
Speaker 1: for underground. Got it pretty straight up? Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: In order to help enforce this, because the world's police is,
Speaker 1: of course the United States America to America, the USA
Speaker 1: built a number of satellites as part of Project Vela.
Speaker 1: They called it the Vela Hotel. Part of the project
Speaker 1: that was the satellites building, and there were four satellites
Speaker 1: I think in all um you mean you mean four models,
Speaker 1: four models, so yeah, sorry, not just four of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, right, Actually, they put a bunch of
Speaker 1: these things up, they did. They put a whole mess
Speaker 1: of them up, VELA five, A and B and then
Speaker 1: velass A and B. So basically they built these things.
Speaker 1: The pictures are pretty cool. They built these things together,
Speaker 1: and they would launch them together, these models, um, and
Speaker 1: then they would detach in space and kind of float
Speaker 1: away from the sea. They were kind of a tetrahedron
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, and it's really interesting. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they deployed for solar panels and yeah, it was all
Speaker 1: fular panels pretty much. They built the originally to have
Speaker 1: like an eighteen month's shelf life, and you know, they
Speaker 1: lasted a lot longer, way longer than that. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's back when they built things to actually last. They
Speaker 1: still do for space. But well, yeah, I was just saying,
Speaker 1: my DVD player is not that he's not getting launched
Speaker 1: into space, so it might actually the way it's acting speaking,
Speaker 1: I got stick that things will last. We've got a
Speaker 1: space probe that's approaching Pluto, now, keeping your eye on
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, I got a problems. Next
Speaker 1: in July, it's going to be swinging by Pluto. Now
Speaker 1: that thing's been out there for years and it's still
Speaker 1: tooting along. So keep your eyes open for our next
Speaker 1: episode on Pluto Probe. It's Plu to a planet, is it?
Speaker 1: We'll find out anyways, The VLA Hotel satellites monitored for
Speaker 1: X rays, neutrons, and gamma rays, and over the twenty
Speaker 1: six year lifespan of the VLA Hotel project, they correctly
Speaker 1: identified dozens of nuclear detonations, which is a lot, especially
Speaker 1: since there was like a treaty against it. Nobody was
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing it. Well, let's be honest. Treaties
Speaker 1: are there to keep the people who want to follow
Speaker 1: the rules in line. It's kind of like the locks
Speaker 1: on your car. You really shouldn't have to lock your
Speaker 1: car door, but you do because some people break the
Speaker 1: rules and get into your car to take things that
Speaker 1: aren't there. People break the rules, that's why they're there for.
Speaker 1: Treaties are treatise are you know? They're only followed the
Speaker 1: extent that people think it's in their interests to follow them. All.
Speaker 1: The test ban treatise has actually been mostly successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about September of nineteen nine. Okay, okay, great,
Speaker 1: one of the Vale Hotel satellites detected what's called a
Speaker 1: double flash in uh three thousand mile radius around the
Speaker 1: print Prince Edward Islands off the coast of Antarctica. Hey,
Speaker 1: guess what island by the way island in that? Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So obviously with the Aliens coming back from their ship. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think you need to clarify because a three
Speaker 1: thousand mile radius, that to some people is going to
Speaker 1: sound like this satellite sucks. But that's because we're used
Speaker 1: to very accurate GPS satellites and things like that. Today
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I mean, we got to remember this was
Speaker 1: in seventy nine, built in this the late seven or
Speaker 1: early seventies, It wasn't a super accurate thing. They're also
Speaker 1: monitoring huge swaths. It wasn't you know. It was kind
Speaker 1: of one of those this is my patch and something
Speaker 1: happened in my patch. Come check it out. So what
Speaker 1: would happen in this situation is Air Force jets would
Speaker 1: be deplus woid. They had sensors on them to pick
Speaker 1: up the kind of particle materials and things like that
Speaker 1: that they would fall out, Yeah exactly. That's that's how
Speaker 1: inaccurate they were, and that was to verify the area
Speaker 1: that it might have been. Yeah, and another reason they
Speaker 1: are so inaccurate is is that there their their orbit
Speaker 1: was really high. They were like or but there were
Speaker 1: seventy three miles up, which is a third of the
Speaker 1: way of the Moon. So the Earth at that point
Speaker 1: it's kind of pretty small, kind of small. Yeah, their
Speaker 1: focused cone of viewing is a huge, huge area. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this particular satellite too, is this
Speaker 1: satellite was actually kind of officially retired. Yeah, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to that actually, Yeah, Yeah, it's a relevant point,
Speaker 1: it is. It absolutely is. So the just for people
Speaker 1: who don't know, a double flash is caused because there's
Speaker 1: the initial fireball that happens after a nuclear detonation and
Speaker 1: then there's the shock wave after it, and it's those
Speaker 1: two light anomalies caused the double flash. So there's the
Speaker 1: first like really fast one and then a slower burn one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you've ever watched the or any of the films
Speaker 1: of nuclear nukes going off, you'll see the one. To
Speaker 1: its fair if you've ever seen an image of it,
Speaker 1: it's it's clear way, it's super distinct. But in case
Speaker 1: you haven't there, I'm sure there are people in this
Speaker 1: world who haven't. They are lacking. According to the d
Speaker 1: i A, nothing was found when the jets deployed to go,
Speaker 1: say hey, let's sense all this fallout and figure out
Speaker 1: who might be responsible for this sort of thing. The
Speaker 1: official line is that it actually wasn't a nuclear detonation,
Speaker 1: that it was something else entirely, and there are some
Speaker 1: good explanations, yeah, there, there absolutely are, But I do
Speaker 1: want to quickly point out we're going to go into
Speaker 1: theories in a second, but before we do that, I
Speaker 1: want to say that even though the official line is nope, nope,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing to see here. If nothing happened here, there
Speaker 1: was an official list compiled of who could have been
Speaker 1: responsible for the detonation, and I mean it was. It
Speaker 1: was submitted into the official report about this. It was like,
Speaker 1: this definitely wasn't a detonation, but if it was, this
Speaker 1: is who might have done it. To be fair, the
Speaker 1: reason the list was assembled is because when they initially
Speaker 1: detected the flash, they presumed that it was a nuclear
Speaker 1: device that had gone off. So the first course of
Speaker 1: action is who could have done it. It wasn't until
Speaker 1: later after the committees were assembled and all the other
Speaker 1: theories were put out there. So that's just so people
Speaker 1: know why this list was assembled. Trumping on my fun alright,
Speaker 1: stop stop, stop theories. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's assume it's an actual nuclear detonation, right, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the chupa. He didn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who could have done it? That's a good question. So
Speaker 1: here's the list. Israel South Africa and Israeli South African
Speaker 1: Effort or Alliance, which according to a reporter who I
Speaker 1: couldn't never find the name of. I'm sure it exists somewhere,
Speaker 1: But according to this reporter, the Israeli South African Joint
Speaker 1: Force did employ two ships with a whole lot of
Speaker 1: quote Israeli military men and nuclear experts unquote on it
Speaker 1: to kind of the Prince Albert Island area pretty close
Speaker 1: to around the time that this flash double flash was detected. Well,
Speaker 1: I know, back in those days, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of military cooperation between Israel and South Africa, that's true.
Speaker 1: The this theory would further go that the US would
Speaker 1: also try to help cover up and Israeli test like
Speaker 1: this to kind of help cover the international profile of
Speaker 1: kind of a controversial alliance between the US and Israel.
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is it? Okay, So I got
Speaker 1: I understand the Israeli South African alliance because they're both
Speaker 1: they're kind of the bad kids on the block. They've
Speaker 1: got all kinds of sanctions against them, so of course
Speaker 1: they team up. But how do the Americans play into that? Well,
Speaker 1: there Israel is our ally, yeah, and that's where they've
Speaker 1: been their allies forever. Yeah, it was, But but but Jimmy
Speaker 1: Carter at the time was pushing non proliferation efforts. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's where I got the you know that we're going
Speaker 1: to work together because everybody else hates us idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, the but yeah, I think that that's one
Speaker 1: of the theories out there, and I'm not getting ahead
Speaker 1: of it, is that that would have forced us to
Speaker 1: take a position on Israel developing nuclear weapons, even though
Speaker 1: we knew they had been doing so for quite some time.
Speaker 1: But technically we're not, We're going to approve that kind
Speaker 1: of activity. So that would have you know, it's better
Speaker 1: to just pretend like this didn't even exist, because that
Speaker 1: would have put potentially put us at odds with our
Speaker 1: ally got it okay and too, I guess to piggyback
Speaker 1: on that a little bit. In two thousand and ten,
Speaker 1: it was reported that apparently on February twenty seven, President
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter wrote in his diary, because apparently that's the
Speaker 1: thing we have access to, quote, we have a growing
Speaker 1: belief among our scientists that the Israelis did, in fact
Speaker 1: conduct a nuclear test explosion in the ocean near the
Speaker 1: southern end of Africa. This is alleged. I couldn't I
Speaker 1: only read this in one place. I couldn't verify it,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting if it's true. Um So that's some
Speaker 1: backing up proof about the Well I will put out.
Speaker 1: The one thing about South Africa is that when the
Speaker 1: South African government switched over after you know, anti apartheid
Speaker 1: and all that, all their stuff came out and it
Speaker 1: wasn't until three months after this that they were at
Speaker 1: nuclear capability according to their official documentation. I understand it's
Speaker 1: your official documentation. Yeah, but also if it was an alliance,
Speaker 1: wouldn't if it was well, yeah, but but one of
Speaker 1: your one, your second bullet point was South Africa. So
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm putting that out there for that because
Speaker 1: it just caught up with me generally believed that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't quite that weren't quite at that point, but
Speaker 1: of course they would want to, they would want to
Speaker 1: participate in this, they'd want to see missionary of learning opportunities.
Speaker 1: So there's gotta be more. I'm sure there's more suspects here.
Speaker 1: Of course there are. Of course, one is obvious. I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to go into the reasons why it
Speaker 1: could have been is the Soviet Union. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's pretty clear. India apparently did have their own nuclear
Speaker 1: testing program at that point. They cod named it Smiling Buddha.
Speaker 1: It seems very at odds. Yeah, I personally doubt this
Speaker 1: so long because I think if the Indians were going
Speaker 1: to touch off a test, they would do it in Pakistan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, but they do. They do apparently have a
Speaker 1: pretty documented history of conducting unauthorized trials of nuclear explosions,
Speaker 1: and so it's possible it could have been them. I
Speaker 1: don't know why they would have done it so far away,
Speaker 1: but sure, I guess why not Pakistan, because of course
Speaker 1: we would say Pakistan did it, but I'm just going
Speaker 1: to reverse my India theory there. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's fair France because the Prince Edward Islands, many of
Speaker 1: them are owned by France, so it could have been
Speaker 1: done on French soil, which France did their own nuclear tests,
Speaker 1: but they always did it off their own soil on
Speaker 1: some of these, you know, out in the ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that does make sense, I guess kind of. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they usually did theirs in this in the Pacific, right,
Speaker 1: they did South Pacific. Yeah, but I mean it stands
Speaker 1: the reason if they're going to go one place, why
Speaker 1: not go to another because that's super far away. Why
Speaker 1: go so far away if you can do it in
Speaker 1: your other place. I don't have any answer to that.
Speaker 1: Killed a ton of sea life over the South. Seals
Speaker 1: they're awful. Baby seals are the worst. I wonder. I
Speaker 1: wonder after they conducted some of those ocean tests, like
Speaker 1: out in the Pacific and stuff, how many you know,
Speaker 1: how many miles of dead animals were floating up to
Speaker 1: the surface. Yeah, that's depressing. I don't want to think
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, let's just say lots. Yeah, the shock
Speaker 1: wave that was how many miles it would go. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: And then the last one that I have on the list,
Speaker 1: which isn't on the official list, is it could have
Speaker 1: been US. The US would have been the good old USA.
Speaker 1: That seems like something that we kind of would have
Speaker 1: done and they covered it up. Well yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: in that case, why report the satellite findings at all?
Speaker 1: I think that it was a joint coalition of it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the military that was in control, in control, sorry,
Speaker 1: that was monitoring what was coming down from the satellites.
Speaker 1: It was a group of scientists who were reporting to
Speaker 1: the military. But if the scientists said, oh, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way, military, here's public record that says that we
Speaker 1: saw this thing happen. Better deploy, they would be like, well,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess we'll go out there. And then
Speaker 1: you tell your guys in the jet, hey, I don't
Speaker 1: care what you pick up. Nothing happened. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's a good theory. I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: as reasonable as many of the other country theories out there.
Speaker 1: For me, Okay, well, can I just do one thing
Speaker 1: about the possibility of the USA? Sure? Is you said, well,
Speaker 1: we sent the jets out to test for fallout. One
Speaker 1: of the weird things about the path that they took
Speaker 1: is they weren't at the right l of Asian or
Speaker 1: altitude excuse me, to be within the air currents that
Speaker 1: should have been carrying any of that fallout. They should
Speaker 1: have been much lower and instead, evidently, according to the
Speaker 1: stuff I've read, they were actually higher than they should
Speaker 1: have been. So you know, they're going with the wind
Speaker 1: instead of against it, so therefore they wouldn't be picking
Speaker 1: up any of that fallout, that seems. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: sounded like a lot of planes out there though that
Speaker 1: they didn't all fly in the same direction. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But but you know, if you put them all at
Speaker 1: the same altitude and there's a prevailing wind in one direction,
Speaker 1: or you know, a downward I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: go too far into it. I just remember seeing stuff
Speaker 1: about we were totally at the wrong altitude. Fair could
Speaker 1: be So next theory is that it was space debrie
Speaker 1: or meteorite like a micro media, right, Yeah, obviously if
Speaker 1: a meteor rte bigger than your time I hit that thing,
Speaker 1: it would just blow to piece. It would blow Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would blow the satellites pieces, but if something smaller
Speaker 1: than that would break up. Probably, and this is actually
Speaker 1: the official evaluation of the Office of Science Technology, it
Speaker 1: was that a small piece of space debris or a
Speaker 1: small meteor I hit the satellite, which caused particles to
Speaker 1: fly past the sensors, which caused Fawlty readings that looked
Speaker 1: like the double flash. Okay, I can, I can see that. Okay.
Speaker 1: For me, this answer is a little too convenient, you know,
Speaker 1: I like the answers that are a little more conspiratorial
Speaker 1: or out there. I mean, there's a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: flying around space, right, I mean a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: lying around space. And that thing had been in space
Speaker 1: for what nine years? More than that, I think, I
Speaker 1: think it had been in for ten. Maybe I thought
Speaker 1: it was lost. It's nine seventy, but I could be
Speaker 1: wrong more than more than five. Right, somewhere around ten
Speaker 1: years after that that amount of time, it's very likely scenerally,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get hit by something, some tiny little piece
Speaker 1: of debris. It seems like, yeah, and I guess that
Speaker 1: was the thing. I couldn't find any other reports and again,
Speaker 1: and I could have missed it I will always allow
Speaker 1: for that, But I didn't find any other reports of
Speaker 1: a reading like this coming from space debris hitting one
Speaker 1: of these lots and lots of satellites that were up there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had lots of these things up there. You would
Speaker 1: think that more than one would get pinned by a
Speaker 1: piece of joke. Yeah, we'll talk about this actually when
Speaker 1: you talk about the storm. But the flash was allegedly
Speaker 1: verified by a couple of different sources, the double flash.
Speaker 1: But you know, the US Air Force jets that were
Speaker 1: sent to pick up chemical traces to you know, pick
Speaker 1: up the fallout. They they didn't find any anomalies. But
Speaker 1: again it was the US jets that were sent in
Speaker 1: foil habrid um. The thing that piggybacks on this, I
Speaker 1: guess is, as we were talking about, this satellite was
Speaker 1: pretty dang far past its shelf life. It was Vela
Speaker 1: Hotel six nine one one, and it was apparently at
Speaker 1: least two years over its design lifetime. Yeah. What's interesting
Speaker 1: about about this particular model of the satellite is the
Speaker 1: original design lifetime of it was eighteen months, and then
Speaker 1: they extended it out. They extended it to seven years,
Speaker 1: So it's it should have ended in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: And that's an interesting thing about it is apparently there
Speaker 1: was the impression out there that the that it was
Speaker 1: actually retired no longer working. Yeah, it seems that that's well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't entirely working though, that wasn't working totally working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was documented to have a faulty e MP sensor
Speaker 1: electric micanogic pulse sensor, and uh, it did develop a
Speaker 1: fault in its recording memory, which quote cleared itself. It
Speaker 1: took two years to clear itself. Yeah, but it cleared
Speaker 1: itself in March of nineteen seventy two. Pretty clever little machine.
Speaker 1: Pretty smart. Here's the great thing about having a computer
Speaker 1: floating in space is you can just tinker with it
Speaker 1: and tinker with it and eventually maybe get it to work.
Speaker 1: If that happens to your computer in the house, you
Speaker 1: get bad and thrown away and go get a new one.
Speaker 1: I could never imagine going, well, I haven't been able
Speaker 1: to save anything for two years, but hey, I keep
Speaker 1: using it. Yeah, so that I mean, it's possible that
Speaker 1: the reason that it thought that this was a double flash,
Speaker 1: even if it was just space debris hitting it, was
Speaker 1: because it was faulty, and that the rest of them
Speaker 1: hadn't been as faulty for whatever reason, so they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have read m you know, some space debris as this
Speaker 1: double flash. Again, I don't, I don't know. It seems weird.
Speaker 1: And again there's the stories that it's that other things
Speaker 1: picked this flash up, which leads us to another theory,
Speaker 1: which is that there was some huge freak storm and
Speaker 1: that it was they call it a super lightning bolt,
Speaker 1: which seems apparently says things happen. I guess something, I
Speaker 1: I guess it does happen. Yeah, it seems like it
Speaker 1: would have had to have been giant. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the Skycowakes episode and we talked about the Bell Island
Speaker 1: incident briefly, Yeah, and that was supposedly a super lightning
Speaker 1: bolds situation. It's been equated to have to be essentially
Speaker 1: the same thing would have happened, which is odd because
Speaker 1: they're kind of they're in the same decade. To have
Speaker 1: two of those happened, odd since those are kind of
Speaker 1: one in a gazillion strikes, the lightning super lightning strikes today,
Speaker 1: it just happened like where just instead of getting a
Speaker 1: bunch of lightning bolts like zig and zagging out of
Speaker 1: the sky. Everything ever, the clouds all just charge all
Speaker 1: at once. It's like a lightning ball, right, I to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, it's been long enough that I've
Speaker 1: done the reading on how it happened that because we
Speaker 1: go through so much research that I don't remember exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. But it is a perfect chain of events,
Speaker 1: because lightning is when you've got that a perfect alignment
Speaker 1: from the cloud to Earth for that electricity to pass
Speaker 1: pass through. In this case instead of a single line,
Speaker 1: it's basically it's a cable. Is the only way that
Speaker 1: I can think to describe it. And that's off memory,
Speaker 1: and I that's not exactly right. Yeah, so that's a theory.
Speaker 1: I guess it would explain why there was no but
Speaker 1: it seems like the jets are generally deployed quick enough.
Speaker 1: There would have been some mention of well it was
Speaker 1: kind of stormy down there or something three thousand mile
Speaker 1: radius though I don't know. Aren't that fast? That's true? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then of course our final theory is aliens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what were they doing? They were getting their lifeboat, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they knew did to cover up their footprint. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't, or they're dropping it off. I can't remember
Speaker 1: exactly how to be honest, I don't remember exactly. I
Speaker 1: think the lifeboat was discovered and like the mid sixties. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so they're picking it. They were wiping out the evidence
Speaker 1: trying to or they were angry. They came back and
Speaker 1: they were like, where's our boat here? Yeah? Anyways, any
Speaker 1: other theories you guys have, No, I'm kind of thinking
Speaker 1: it was, um the Israeli South African joint efforts myself,
Speaker 1: but and then obviously we we chose not to acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: I really just think the satellite was hosed because I
Speaker 1: don't know that it ever did any reports after that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything that said that it ever sent
Speaker 1: any reports after that, which makes me think, since I
Speaker 1: know it's I think it was, it's e m P
Speaker 1: sensor was down, it was already falling apart. I think
Speaker 1: that it just had a short circuit. Well it's possible,
Speaker 1: but you know, if it but it continued on in
Speaker 1: service for a little bit a little bit more than that,
Speaker 1: you would think that if it was all all jiggy
Speaker 1: and stuff and all jankie you think there would have
Speaker 1: been more of these, And remember I mentioned that it
Speaker 1: was the satellite was officially retired sort of kind of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of the things is that the Israelis and
Speaker 1: South Africans obviously would be aware of these things and
Speaker 1: where they are in orbit any given time, and wanting
Speaker 1: to conceal their tests, they chose to touch off the
Speaker 1: bomb at a time when this at satellite, which was
Speaker 1: of course not functioning supposedly was was the one satellite
Speaker 1: passing over head. Well, and yeah, I mean we can
Speaker 1: we can go down that rabbit hole, and we can
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole of there's um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's the Soviet spy who says that he knows that
Speaker 1: it was all true and and something along the lines
Speaker 1: of what you're saying is happening, but we don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not faulting the Israelis for for testing nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: We live in a rough neighborhood, so but but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's still my favorite theory. I'm with Joe. Actually that's
Speaker 1: my favorite theory too. So there you go, all right,
Speaker 1: all jeez, okay, solve that. Yeah, solved it in record time.
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