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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. It's mystery short stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answers to. Hey, guys, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways. This one's a shorty bonus episode.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while. Yeah, sorry about that. We'll try

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Speaker 1: to be better about that. We won't though, we're lazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we are. Um, if you're joining us for the

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Speaker 1: first time, I'm Devin, joined by Steve and Joe, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the Vela incidents. This is

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Speaker 1: one of the scarier ones, well not really in space

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Speaker 1: where nobody can hear you scream. Don't remind me, don't

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Speaker 1: remind me. So okay, you guys remember the Cold War

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Speaker 1: that they it lasted like twenty years, a little longer

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. Historians are like very hotly debate how

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Speaker 1: long it lasted. Yeah, well, I mean that definitely there

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Speaker 1: and then there it was like ninety five up to

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Speaker 1: like the seventies, and then there was detents and then

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Speaker 1: of like through in the towel in nine when the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union fell. Hopefully I got that date right. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that happened, and in this thing,

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Speaker 1: the Cold War, in the middle of it, really was

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Speaker 1: that in nineteen sixty three there was a signing of

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Speaker 1: what is officially called the Treaty Banning Nuclear weapon tests

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Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, in outer space and underwater, which is

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Speaker 1: more often referred to as the Partial Test Band Treaty, which,

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Speaker 1: as you can understand, you would call it something shorter. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: It all that stuff, the thing about testing weapons in

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere and outer space, testament outer space. Will you

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Speaker 1: fry a lot of satellites with the MP so it

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Speaker 1: really is a practical good thing to do. Basically, it

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Speaker 1: said that no nation could test detonate nuclear weapons except

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Speaker 1: for underground. Got it pretty straight up? Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: In order to help enforce this, because the world's police is,

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Speaker 1: of course the United States America to America, the USA

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Speaker 1: built a number of satellites as part of Project Vela.

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Speaker 1: They called it the Vela Hotel. Part of the project

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Speaker 1: that was the satellites building, and there were four satellites

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Speaker 1: I think in all um you mean you mean four models,

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Speaker 1: four models, so yeah, sorry, not just four of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense, right, Actually, they put a bunch of

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Speaker 1: these things up, they did. They put a whole mess

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Speaker 1: of them up, VELA five, A and B and then

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Speaker 1: velass A and B. So basically they built these things.

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Speaker 1: The pictures are pretty cool. They built these things together,

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Speaker 1: and they would launch them together, these models, um, and

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Speaker 1: then they would detach in space and kind of float

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Speaker 1: they deployed for solar panels and yeah, it was all

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Speaker 1: fular panels pretty much. They built the originally to have

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Speaker 1: like an eighteen month's shelf life, and you know, they

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Speaker 1: that's back when they built things to actually last. They

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Speaker 1: I got stick that things will last. We've got a

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Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, I got a problems. Next

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Speaker 1: that thing's been out there for years and it's still

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Speaker 1: tooting along. So keep your eyes open for our next

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Speaker 1: episode on Pluto Probe. It's Plu to a planet, is it?

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Speaker 1: We'll find out anyways, The VLA Hotel satellites monitored for

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Speaker 1: X rays, neutrons, and gamma rays, and over the twenty

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Speaker 1: since there was like a treaty against it. Nobody was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing it. Well, let's be honest. Treaties

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Speaker 1: Let's assume it's an actual nuclear detonation, right, and it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Facebook is a thing, you know. Just search Thinking Sideways.

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Speaker 1: You can join the group like the page. Lots of

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Speaker 1: people there. Yep. Find us on Twitter thinking sideways. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Send us an email Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. I guess. Alright, Bye guys,

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Speaker 1: Bye bye everybody,