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Speaker 2: How are you doing? Hey, I'm doing great, man. I'm

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Speaker 2: pleased to be here. I know I pandered a cities

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Speaker 1: We're excited to have you here at Zany Tonight twenty

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Speaker 1: Years of Hell Tour. It starts at seven tickets, twenty

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Speaker 1: five dollars for GA, seventy five for VIP. What is

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I've been doing these storytelling shows for years, but

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Speaker 2: story about breaking in a story, a recent story riffing

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Speaker 2: doing the River tour. I was like, that's a tour.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't able to see it. I'd like to see

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Speaker 2: like he's going to bring those songs to life on stage,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, I need to do something like that,

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Speaker 2: so people aren't constantly going, well, what does he do? Right?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bring that night from June twenty eighth,

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Speaker 2: that night, you know, which has lived on for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: I got asked about every day in my life for

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Speaker 2: twenty years. So instead of feeling like Bill Murray and

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Speaker 1: My guest McK foley is in the studio right now,

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Speaker 1: and I will say that I became a fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back the very first time that I went

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Speaker 2: That's the one that did it.

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Speaker 1: That was the one that got it. It was it

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Speaker 2: Well, you know this tactics that was never a Chamber

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: It was awful? The whole concept, I mean there was.

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Speaker 2: It was like an all star team of bad guys, right.

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Speaker 2: It was me and a Duelah the Butcher Scott Hall,

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Speaker 2: Big Ban, Big Van Vader. But the whole concept that

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the bumps were like the calling card.

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Speaker 2: I've developed a series of unusual bumps to make my

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Speaker 1: My guest, Mick Foley is at zany Sinight Twenty Years

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Speaker 1: the in depth matches. The death matches in Japan.

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Speaker 2: Point out first that I saw ken Burns in the

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Speaker 1: But anyway, go ahead, your death matches in Japan. Where

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Speaker 2: This is where I get socially deep on you. That's fine.

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Speaker 2: We got all the time we really speculate. This is

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Speaker 1: My cast is Mick Foley in the studio right now.

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Speaker 1: So you had some really great storylines. You had Undertaker,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's the Twenty Years of H. I

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Speaker 2: of Heck Tour. We're gonna know F bomb house. It's

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Speaker 2: You know, my whole life would have been different, and

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Speaker 2: so that was just an honor. Every night, you know,

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Speaker 1: So out of all the titles, titles that you've earned

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Speaker 2: World's most Polite Wrestler was voted on. No one uses

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Speaker 2: their pleases, and may I even at an appearance, and

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Speaker 2: never know again? May I do that? Yeah, I'm very

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Speaker 1: Life your own kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, now it looks ridiculous because

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Speaker 2: know it, and it didn't you know, these these battles

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Speaker 2: I got right here. If you want to see him,

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Speaker 1: This is this is the greatest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: This is before the show and before that. Man is

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Speaker 1: My guess, Mick Foley is in the studio right now.

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Speaker 1: He's at Zany tonight. Twenty years of Hell to Its

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Speaker 1: starts at seven. Tickets are going fast, twenty five for

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Speaker 1: general mission, seventy five for VIP. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: Monday Night Wars. So night you're going to win the

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Speaker 2: By the way, it's likely that you get there earlier,

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Speaker 1: I am super excited about it. I will be there tonight,

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Speaker 1: Yes, how did you find out about that?

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Speaker 2: I was watching on television. You know, at that time,

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Speaker 2: and trucks and things like that. And WCW was live

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Speaker 2: know you can't take that away and keep all the

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Speaker 2: good stuff. It's kind of a total package and a

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Speaker 2: little too sensitive, and it's stung, you know. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: brush it off. But then the next day the ratings

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Speaker 2: came out and showed that, I mean, it was like

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Speaker 2: immediate now, so it's made half a million people switch

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Speaker 2: the channel, you know, I don't know it was half

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Speaker 2: a million channel switching or half a million people at home.

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Speaker 2: And so what they tried to make a defeat and

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Speaker 2: it should have been a defeat because they were live

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Speaker 2: in front of forty eight thousand with a dream match,

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Speaker 2: and we were taped in front of eight thousand at

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Speaker 2: the Worcester Centrum. And so to have that on their

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Speaker 2: side and have those half a million people switch channels

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Speaker 2: to ww immediately, it completely changed the way that people

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Speaker 2: within the wrestling business looked at me, because it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: he's a respected hand, you know, like an upper tier journeyman,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I was a superstar like

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Speaker 2: within the business. And so I did wait for those

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Speaker 2: ratings to come in before I called Tony Shavanni and

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, Tony, this is mc foley. Heard

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Speaker 2: what you said. I thought it was a cheap shot,

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Speaker 2: and in truth, it probably just going to hurt you

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Speaker 2: guys instead of helping. You're like, okay, well anyway, okay, bye,

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Speaker 2: really laying it on. And then my wife got me

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Speaker 2: a couple of hours later, say, Tony Savanni's on the

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Speaker 2: phone and he sounds so sad. So it wasn't something

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Speaker 2: Tony wanted to say. And and look, I just saw

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Speaker 2: Eric Bischoff like two weeks ago, and there's no bad

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Speaker 2: blood there whatsoever. You know. They just say go out

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Speaker 2: there and do something in the ring with Eric, And

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Speaker 2: I was like, there's something I've been wanting to say.

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Speaker 2: Ever since you took Dead Night and you revealed the winter,

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Speaker 2: I've been wanting to get in your face and say

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Speaker 2: thank you. Because of you, that turned out to be

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Speaker 2: the biggest night in my career. So yeah, it was,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it was. It was really kind

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Speaker 2: of a nasty fight. I guess they call it a war,

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Speaker 2: with all due respect to people who fight actual wars,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we are very respectful of that.

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Speaker 2: We had a ratings war it's not quite the same

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Speaker 2: thing to all you people have served in uniform, but

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Speaker 2: it was nasty and that was one of the things

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Speaker 2: they did, and that night it backfired on them. Man.

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Speaker 1: And I remember that night because I would I was

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Speaker 1: in that era, and I would switch back and forth

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Speaker 1: between Nitro and Rally. And then as soon as I

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Speaker 1: heard that, I didn't watch WCW after that.

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Speaker 2: Nine. Yeah, we kind of had the hot hand and

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Speaker 2: they just handed us the ball. We ran with it.

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Speaker 1: Uh, My guess Mick Foley is in the studio right now.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years of Hell Tour at zany tonight, seven o'clock,

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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars for general mission, seventy five for VIP,

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Speaker 1: which gets you in earlier reserve seat and you get

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Speaker 1: to meet Mick. Last question, and I would like to

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Speaker 1: know what is on McK foley's Mount Rushmore of wrestler.

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Speaker 2: Man. Four people are Mount Rushmore? Right, I believe?

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't good in social studies for geography.

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Speaker 2: That's so horrible that we Yeah, I think there's four

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Speaker 2: on Mount Rushmore. Okay. Terry Funk to me was the

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Speaker 2: best most definitely Terry Funk Rick Flair. That my my

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Speaker 2: choice that's differs from lot of people. It's Tommy Billington,

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Speaker 2: who is a dynamite kid. You don't know who is

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Speaker 2: googled dynamite Kid versus Tiger Mask in Japan. It was

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Speaker 2: sensational stuff that still holds up. That's three. And then

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Speaker 2: I consider Sean Michael's be the greatest wrestler of the

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Speaker 2: modern era, which is the era in which we had

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Speaker 2: monthly pay per views, So that would be my four.

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Speaker 1: Here it is maybe Foley's Mount Rushmore of wrestling. Once again,

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Speaker 1: I am extremely honored to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: This is literally a dream come true for me.

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Speaker 2: Really, yes about this, Yes, your dream small my friends,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Thank you,