1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You all probably heard 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: my quick podcast over the weekend where I talked about 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: being at the convention for the Police Officers Association of 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Michigan and giving out awards for a police Officer of 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: the Year. What a powerful event that was. I think 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: that I wanted to dig deeper into that event, but 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: into what is going on with our police officers across 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the country and we can give you that perspective from 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: here in Michigan, because there was an overwhelming theme and 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this over the weekend as we 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: were sitting there and hearing these police officers talk, overwhelmingly 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: they were saying, well, I don't want to say too much. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, we're really under attack. People aren't appreciating what 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: we do, and I don't want to get in trouble 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: or anything like that. And I just thought, Wow, how 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: did we get here where the good guys are afraid 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: to say, yeah, we did our job, just nothing more 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: than that. Just we did our job. That's now a 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: a point of contention. That's now something that if you 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: are a cop, you're afraid to go out and even 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: receive an award for protecting us as people of the community, 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: and that struck me so hard. It's been something that 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about. And then over the weekend 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I had an experience at church where one of our 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: pastors was talking about the hardships that our police officers 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: go through, and I'm like, you know what, I just 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: feel like, this is God's way of saying speak more 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: to how wonderful our police officers are. All of the 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: guys that put their men and women who put their 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: life on the line for us every single day. It's 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: something we should talk about. We should go back to 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: that time when we appreciate that and we go up 33 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: to police officers and we say thank you, and our 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: kids go up to police officers and say, hey, this 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: is the good guy. So I want to talk about 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: that today with the president of the Police Officers Association 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: of Michigan. His name is Jim Tigganelli. I'm going to 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: bring him in in just a second. First, I want 39 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: to remind you of my partnership with the International Fellowship 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of Christians and Jews because the attacks are still happening 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: on Israel. 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It's one word. 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you go online to support IFCJ dot org. 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: And let's go back to talking about supporting people here 62 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: in the United States of America as well, because our 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: police officers desperately need people to know how hard they're 64 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: working every single day. And Jim Tiganelli is a good 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: friend of mine, also the president of the Police Officers 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Association of Michigan and someone who loves to talk about 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: what our cops are doing all the time. Thanks Jim 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: for joining me. 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: Glad to be your friend. I am, and I'm going 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: to make a donation on to that program that you 71 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: just mentioned because I think it's a very worthwhile one. 72 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: So let me say that we made a little progress 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: on that today. How's that. 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: That's so sweet, Appreciate the opportunity to be with you. 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: And may I say that regards the appeace you did 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: on Saturday. I put that out to about five thousand 78 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: people and it was unanimous that you sounded just like 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: I know you are, and it was from the heart. 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: It was good and very much appreciated. Well. 81 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: You gave me an opportunity during the campaign to talk 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: to a lot of families who were in law enforcement. 83 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, growing up in the 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: era that I grew up and growing up in the 85 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: seventies and the eighties, cops were your friends. Everybody loved 86 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: the cops, right like that was it was unheard of 87 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: to think that the cops were the bad guys. And 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: I don't really understand when this started. I don't know 89 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: if it was. I know you before we got on 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: you started talking about twenty twenty, But it almost felt 91 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: like this turn against the police started back in like 92 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight era, when we started to 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: have some conversations about cops were the bad guys, and 94 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: cops were against certain races. And it has taken off 95 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: to a point where, like I said at your conference, 96 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm hearing police who don't want to share their stories. 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: There's there's stories of even saving people's lives. 98 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, you're You're right. Probably the eight period of time, 99 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: things got a little tight money wise, and so consequently, 100 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: you know, benefits things like that occurred among police officers. 101 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: But I've been around this business for now over forty years, 102 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: and I think that and I was a child of 103 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: the fifties and the sixties, so I mean I went, 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: you know, through the sixties where you know, we had 105 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: a lot of protests, whether it was a Vietnam war, 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: different things like that, but they always came around, you know. 107 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: I mean young people became became the parents, and usually 108 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: it changed, you know. I mean like they say, everybody's 109 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: a liberal till you start spending their money, you know. 110 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: And that's to me. I think we alway knew would 111 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: roll around. But this is in my period of time, 112 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: since since the late seventies to today, I've never seen it. 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: And I'm an optimist, I really believe that, but I've 114 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: never seen it to a point where I think we're 115 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: up against the biggest Bob barricade we've ever had. I 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: really do. I think it's I think it's less likely 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: to fix itself now than it was in times paths. 118 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: I really do. And yes, there's a variety of reasons. 119 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: I guess. 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Well when you say that, so what is the hope 121 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: for communities? Like I mean, I'm looking at Chicago over 122 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: the Memorial Day weekend and you see this, I think 123 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: it was thirty murders and multiple shootings and little kids 124 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: that lost their lives, and then you see this massive 125 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: looting of stores, people just going in with garbage bags 126 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: and filling their garbage bags, and it's like people were 127 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: joking oh, I guess the Memorial Day sale was that 128 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: people could just fill up the bag and walk out. 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: But when does this If we don't start respecting police 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: officers and the law enforcement community, what happens next? How 131 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: bad does the lawlessness become? 132 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: Wells, what's got to happen. First? We have to start 133 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: being able to enforce the law. And I think you've 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: taken they taken away our ability to actually try to 135 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: enforce the law. When you have officers that are told 136 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: to stand down while fifty people run out with iPads. 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: I mean, why would anybody pay for one? I mean, 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: so we've gotten to this point now, and you know, 139 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: at some point you're going to give me hear my 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: story about the you know, ten million people that have 141 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: come in illegally. But I think when you find out 142 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: how easy it is to break the law, what you say, 143 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: if we're all going thirty over on the freeway and 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: you're the guy in the middle, do you worry about 145 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: getting stop going? He's going that fast and he's going 146 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: that fast, and so the cops must not be working today. 147 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: So that's fine. And I think that the inability for 148 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: us to actually enforce the law, to actually stop one 149 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: of those guys. When we were adults, we did walk 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: up with a pack and gump. I mean literally if 151 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: it was if we had it was like by accident, 152 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: and we were apologizing. I mean nowadays, because that's how 153 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: we were raised and because we knew we would get 154 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: scolded somehow or other for taking it. So nowadays it's 155 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: so easy to be bad. You know. The better way 156 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: to say that what ends up happening is I think 157 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: we've gotten to the point now where the people that 158 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: used to apologize for taking the gun say, hey, screw it, 159 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: let's just take the company. I mean, I really think 160 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: we've created a generation right now that it's going to 161 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: have a hard time on doing this. The only thing, 162 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: you know, you ask it to jump all over you 163 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: here because I'd like to hear your questions. But the 164 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: only thing that can change it is the people themselves. 165 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: There's got to be somebody other than you and I 166 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: and I know there is, and I think that they're 167 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: going to start at some points. I'm saying this is wrong, 168 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: we need to do something. I hear in your voice, 169 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: but you know, we're all crazy about you. But when 170 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: you hear these stories about other people starting to say 171 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: I've seen some of these moms in Chicago on Fox 172 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: and Newsmax and such lateway saying hey, I've had enough 173 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: of this. You know, I'm voting for these same people 174 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: for decades. I was raised that way, And what's happening 175 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: now is now they're feeling it. And I think when 176 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: you start feeling it, the first thing you do is 177 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: you're afraid to mention it because it might create an 178 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: argument amongst your friends that at some point in time, 179 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: you have to be able to say, I'm not doing it. 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 2: I got to stop it. Like you said in your 181 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: peace on Saturday, what can we do? How do we 182 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: do this? We need more? You know that has to 183 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: be the regular Joe out. Then those moms in Chicago 184 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: were pretty strong the other day when I listened to them. 185 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I mean the guy that we introduced over the weekend 186 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: who comes out and says that he literally just took 187 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: away a baby from a mother. The mother had stabbed, 188 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: the baby was drowning the baby. The other child is stabbed, 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: and he goes home, has a crier with his family, 190 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: and then goes back on the job. And his chief says, 191 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: you don't have to come back, and he's like you 192 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: got no one else? What do you meaning I don't 193 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: need to come back. Of course I'm coming back. It's like, 194 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: first of all, that mindset that he just went through 195 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: this traumatic event, and then he knows he's got to 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: go back on the job because he knows there's nobody else. 197 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: And that's a big problem right now. You talked about 198 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: a number over the weekend or last week that I 199 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: want to bring up, and I might get it wrong, 200 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: but I think you said that two years ago the 201 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: number of people assaulting officers was in like the forty 202 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: two thousand, and now it's seventy thousand. 203 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Was seventy last year, and you're right, yes, it was 204 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: like forty to seventy. And those are physical assaults now, 205 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: and let me tell you, you met some of these guys. 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Nine out of ten guys never want to tell you 207 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: they got punched in the face. So I mean, when 208 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: you hear seventy thousand, that's a guy that really got punched. 209 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: That's not a guy that got pushed. That's not a 210 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: guy that got you know, that's a physical assault. Because 211 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: nobody wants to tell anybody that somebody get the lowdown out. 212 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those deals. I mentioned to 213 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: you earlier about one that happened to me. I never 214 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: told anybody about it. I bose got all what because 215 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: it was raining up. But I mean, nobody wants to 216 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: go in there and say that. You know, it's like 217 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: we like we got somebody got the jump on us. 218 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: We don't even want to tell anybody that. So when 219 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: you're seventy thousand, I'm telling you, and I don't know 220 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: the real number, but I'm telling you, that's a fraction 221 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: of what really really got a hands on physical assault 222 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: from a civilian. 223 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: So I think about that, and I think about what 224 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: we were talking about when you were telling me that 225 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: you've had this happen, and someone I was telling you 226 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: I recently, and I don't know if it was a 227 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: conversation that I had with you during the campaign, or 228 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: if it was another one of the sheriffs who said, 229 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: you got to understand when you watch a movie and 230 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: you see people fighting for two minutes, it's like all choreographed, 231 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: and it all everybody seems like they're fine and they're 232 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: not winded, and they're just in this like fantastic fight 233 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: when you weren't expecting to be in a fight. And 234 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: suddenly you're fighting this guy. It is. It takes it 235 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: out of you immediately, And people are mad at the cops, 236 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: but they truly are fighting for their life. So what 237 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: you see with your eye and your Monday morning quarterbacking 238 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: of all of these interactions that are videotaped, what you're 239 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: watching with your eye is different than what that cop 240 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: is experiencing. And how do we get people to understand 241 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: what your fit body is physically going through when you're 242 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: being attacked like. 243 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: That, Well, I don't think. I don't think there's a 244 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: way of training somebody to know how difficult it is 245 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: to hold someone who doesn't want to be held. These 246 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: are guys that already want to fight. And we have 247 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: a camera on our chest, front seat of the car, 248 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: backseat of the car. Every pole around this has got 249 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: a light camera. We're glad, Okay, they show things that 250 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: they show what they see. But for us, if we 251 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: if the only way we can stop this guy is 252 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: to punch him in and almost we'ren't punching them. We're 253 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: not going to do it. We're gonna get yelled at. 254 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: You can't choke a guy. And I know how terrible 255 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: it's and I know I saw the video one hundred times. 256 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you a guy that's bigger and stronger 257 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: than you, when he runs out of air, gets a 258 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: little weaker. Not suggesting that it's the right thing to do. 259 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: I'm just saying if the guy would just stop. The 260 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: common threat I went all these fights is if somebody 261 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: says pull over or stop, or hold on or show 262 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: me your ID, and you just do it. None of 263 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: those people get into a struggle. When you get into 264 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: one of those struggles, and like I said, I can't 265 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: speak firsthand and one then I'll never forget. I'm not 266 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: the only one I ever had. Days later, your arms 267 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: feel like you like you bench pressed thousands of pounds 268 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: and you didn't press any weight. It's the adrenaline in 269 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: the world. We're at a disadvantage. Is the other guy 270 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: already knew he was going to fight. I already knew 271 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: he was going to struggle. Probably grew up and among 272 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: people that that's normal, and he wants to get away. 273 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: All we want to do is go home. You know, 274 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: we're just trying to do a job. I've said so 275 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: many times we hire from the human race. I mean, 276 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: it's an old dragon at TV show. I wish, I 277 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: wish I could tell Joe Friday how many times I've 278 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: used it. But the fact is we have we In 279 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: that TV show, he said, you know, they have us 280 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: at a disadvantage. They forced us to hire from the 281 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: human race. We do. We hire from We hire guys 282 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: whose dog dirty is the carpet, whose kid misses the bus, 283 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: who who he's he has to skip baseball practice tonight 284 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: because he's got to work four hours overtime. That's who 285 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: we hire. And in between those eight or twelve hour shifts, 286 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: he's just a guy that's got to get the grass cut. 287 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: He's just the guy that you know, needs to make 288 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: sure that little billy didn't leave his lunch on the bus, 289 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: you know. And so we're not out there. We're not 290 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: we're not designed to be fighters. You wouldn't want us 291 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: to be that way. You want us to be normal people. 292 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: You want us to have a good relationship. I mean, 293 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: I've told people that I think in your lifetime, you 294 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: being an exception because of at least our time together. 295 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: Is that most people grow up and they never meet 296 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: a police officer on a good day. You know, they 297 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: come home and the back doors kicked in. Come home 298 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: and mom and dad were fighting. They come home, come 299 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: out of the theater, and their car's gone. The red and 300 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: blue lights are in the back window, and you're going 301 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: fifteen over to speed limit and oh my god, my 302 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: insurance is going to go. You know, I tried when 303 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: I was on a job, and I know a lot 304 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: of guys do this. Maybe it was more rewarding in 305 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: those days. I always try to make sure that when 306 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: we leave here today that I left a good impression. 307 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: I even if I did have to do something, I'm 308 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: popular to you. You know, Hey, it was some man, 309 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: It's just the way it is. You know, it's the job. 310 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: It's you know, I tried to do that, and you 311 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: can't do that anymore. You just can't do it anymore. 312 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 313 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. To your point, yeah, you're right, 314 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: probably me and most of my most of my colleagues 315 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: in the political world, I would say, who are either 316 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: on one side or the other. And I would say, 317 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: especially to those who are vocally defund the cops and 318 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: all that baloney, they're also the ones that are likely 319 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: never calling a cop. But in certain neighborhoods, you defund 320 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: the cops and all hell breaks loose. I mean, they're 321 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: just barely holding it together as it is. And then 322 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: how is it fair to those kids, and how is 323 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: it fair to those moms and those grandmothers who are 324 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure their kids are safe and 325 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: their kids are alive. Because I think about it from 326 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: a mom perspective. I'm listening to this story over the 327 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: weekend in Chicago where this three or eight year old 328 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I think it was eight year old or nine year old. 329 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: The little girl that was in the car, she a 330 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: little girl, She's in the car at three thirty in 331 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the morning, gets shot, and I'm like, what is happening? Like, 332 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: there's so much in that story alone to unpack. Why 333 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: is this child in the car at three in the morning, 334 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Why is there a gunfight? What is happening? And how 335 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: is it going to be helpful to continuously take resources 336 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: away from those communities? And you brought up the illegals earlier. 337 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: That's another problem. You got not only all these people 338 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: that are coming in illegally and they can do that, 339 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: And then again you set up the whole idea of 340 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: if this is illegal and everybody can come. Why shouldn't 341 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: I be able to do everything illegal? But they're also 342 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: taking resources away from our communities that need it the most, 343 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: and nobody says boo about it. 344 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: I just heard the mayor in Denver this morning talking 345 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: about they're going to spend millions of dollars on the 346 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: They're they're inviting people into their town. I don't want 347 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: to go into details that I don't really remember. 348 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the newcomers. 349 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: They were going to spend millions of dollars on the Yeah, 350 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: he had a term for them, the newcomers. I think 351 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 2: you're right. And I thought to myself, Man, now, if 352 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: you're if your mom, you know, and you're you're living 353 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: here and you're working here, and you know, the couple 354 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: windows knocked out, or the school bus has got some 355 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: ball tires on it, how does that? How do you 356 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: relate to that? I mean, how do you how do 357 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: you ignore that? And? Uh? And in our in our work, 358 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: in police work, and again, blessure for the good things 359 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: you think about the people we represent in our job, 360 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: it's the most difficult to turn around. I think you 361 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: know that freighter that hit the bridge in Baltimore, you know, 362 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: I was like trying to stop for god knows how long, 363 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: and he couldn't stop it because it's not it's not 364 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: an eighteen foot center console fishing boat. And when recruiting police, 365 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: I was just in Washington, d C. Two weeks ago 366 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: for Police Week, and and I sit there with with 367 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: legislators from all around Michigan. And you know, some like 368 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: us better than others. They'll pretend to, at least momentarily 369 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: while I'm there, But when they when you talk about 370 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: recruiting and retaining police officers, they make like, you know, 371 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: we just got to pay him more money, we just 372 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: need to pay more money. Well, doesn't want more money. 373 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 2: I get it, But how do I get that guy 374 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: into that suit in the first place? How do I 375 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: get those kind of bots on that guy? How do 376 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: I get him to decide I'm not going to have 377 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: a bad driving record, I'm not going to fail a 378 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: drug test. I'm going to I want to be a policeman. 379 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: This is how it was years ago. And when you 380 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: lose it, we lose a whole generation of young people. 381 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. That is our best recruiters 382 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: forever back to the Old West, where your dad, your uncle, 383 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: your neighbor that was a policeman that you said, he's 384 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: a good dude. I grew up on the east side 385 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: of the Try when there was residency. Whole neighborhood was 386 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: police officers and firefighters, and you all knew that those 387 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: were good guys. They had coached baseball, They played catch 388 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: with you in the street, and when they drove to work, 389 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: they waved at you and you wave back, and you 390 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: were glad he was down there, you know, so you 391 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: saw something. Those are the guys. If I didn't come 392 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: from a law enforcement family, just something somebody influenced me 393 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: somewhere along the line. I really wish I could identify it. 394 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: But my dad was as a gas station owner, you know. 395 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: That's where I grew up at. And I think maybe 396 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: the best education I had was pumped and gas because 397 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: I had old people, young people, rich, poor, every race, 398 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: every socio economic background, and I had an air gauge 399 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: and an air compressor, and you needed air and you 400 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: like me, and so I figured out how to make 401 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: everybody that way. So that was my education. I always 402 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: called it was the University of Shadow's. That was the 403 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: name my dad's gas station. But I actually did go 404 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: to school, believe in or that. But those people that 405 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: came to you, you said, I want to be like 406 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: Uncle Joe. I want to be like my baseball coach Bill. 407 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: He's a good guy and when I grew up, I 408 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: want to be just like him. I'm telling you Uncle Joe, 409 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: and Coach Bill was going to say, you're out of 410 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: your mind, don't do it. 411 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 412 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we lose that generation. You really recruit 413 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: kids into this job while they're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old. 414 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: You know, hire them, but you get that mindset, you 415 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: know that this is what I want to do. Can't 416 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 2: tell to a twenty five year old person. They've they've 417 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: got other things to do. 418 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, they don't want to put their life at risk, 419 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: and they want to. I mean, gosh, getting them to 420 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: work in an office is hard enough, let alone getting 421 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: people to go put their life on the line. 422 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you mentioned we're down like ninety percent 423 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: of total cops in twenty years. And when I tell 424 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: you that, and you say, and I say, there's nobody 425 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: in the police academy and I go to land saying, 426 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: we make arguments that put people through the academy. You know, 427 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: we got put through the academy. We got hired to 428 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: want to the academy. That hasn't happened in twenty five years. 429 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: So now they've done a grant, the state hasn't I 430 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: commend them. It's a great idea that if you hire 431 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: somebody that works in your town, because we want to 432 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: adjust those cultures. We don't want to guy from the 433 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: West Bloomfield working, you know, in a town that's much 434 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 2: different than West Bloomfield type of a thing. But the 435 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: only way you're going to get that kid, because academy 436 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: costs that and he's got to take fifteen weeks off 437 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: of his job at the speedway station or the subway subshop, 438 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: you can't do it. So if you pay for his 439 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: academy and give them minimum wage to go, you'll get them. 440 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: The problem is you already lost that generation of young people. 441 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, the academies are empty. They're not empty because 442 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: the guy doesn't have a job or it doesn't have 443 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: the opportunity. It's because you just want to be a policeman. 444 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: And that's where we lose recruiting and retaining. And there's 445 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: no amount of money you're going to get me to 446 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: take a job that I think the guys are a 447 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: bunch of bad guys. You know, it's just not going 448 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: to happen. 449 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's like you can barely get people 450 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: to run for office, and that is because they get 451 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: so viciously attacked, right, And that's something that where you 452 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: you're pretty cush community to me a cop, you know, 453 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: and why would I also have my reputation ruined and 454 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: be attacked on a regular basis and have to go 455 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: out and fight bad guys, like physically fight bad guys. 456 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: That's what I just don't understand what these people who 457 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: trash cops are thinking, Like how do you how do 458 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: you think we get back to being the country that 459 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: we once were, because the fundamentals, like the great fundamental 460 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: of what government is to do is there to protect right, 461 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: to make sure you have a safe community. 462 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: Public safety. That's really what else was the government tended 463 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: to do with too right the constitution and for my 464 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: public safety. I mean that's that's defense everybody. If you 465 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: do that, well, we'll figure out how to make money. 466 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: We'll figure out how. 467 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: To do things right. Yes, yes, just there are a 468 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: few things. It's like infrastructure safety, I mean, how can 469 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: how can we be at this point where somebody was 470 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: like that arm, you know what We're done with that arm? 471 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: Forget about that will just run amock. I mean, and 472 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: it's obvious when you look at what's happening. I mean, 473 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't move to Denver to save my life right now, 474 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: because my life wouldn't be saved if I moved to Denver. 475 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: You look at what's happening with these newcomers and all that, 476 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: look at what happened in gren Rapids. And you were 477 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: just here in gren Rapids to endorse Donald Trump because 478 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: he came in to talk about Ruby Garcia. And the 479 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: thing that makes me mad about the Ruby Garcia story 480 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: is what a devastating, unnecessary situation to have this woman 481 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: lose her life, But to top it off, to have 482 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the stupid leftist media come out and say, oh, this 483 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: was a domestic violence case, this was an illegal immigration. 484 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, but screw you. How can you 485 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: say that this woman this could be my daughter, it 486 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: could be their daughter. What happens one day when one 487 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: of these yahoos that goes out and says, oh, this 488 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: is nothing more than domestic violence. What happens when their 489 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: daughter is dating a guy who they don't know, came 490 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: over from some place else and as a gang member, 491 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: wants to kill her. When do people wake up and say, actually, 492 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: this is a flipping problem. 493 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: Will never happen to me, of course, because it only 494 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: happens to those people. That's how that's how people will 495 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 2: read it. Yeah, right, it's not going to happen to us. 496 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: We know who Gladys is dating. You know, he's a 497 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: great guy, right. You know when I when I mentioned 498 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: to uh, this person from writers, no. 499 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: One is named Gladys by the way, nobody. I'm just kidding. 500 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: There's a Gladys listening and she's like, no, I am 501 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: named Gladys. That's what I will just quickly say. When 502 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: I brought my one of my daughters home and I 503 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: named her Bonnie, my mother in law was like, that's 504 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: from my generation. Are you sure? I'm like, oh, yeah, 505 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: she's going to be a Bonnie and she owns it. 506 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: She loves it. It's a perfect name. 507 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure the name Tutor has a lot of 508 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: glamorous background to it and do a lot of famous things. 509 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: You know. 510 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: When that's actually accurate, No one is named Tutor. 511 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's it's a beautiful name. Though. Let me 512 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: tell you. The funny part is it might sound like 513 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: it's from you know, England, or you know that, you 514 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: know the royalty, you know what it reminds me of. 515 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: I had a fifty one Ford and on the left 516 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: front fender the tudors were expelled, t U d o I. 517 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: So you were My grandfather called me two door four door. 518 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: Well you were immediately popular with old jt here because 519 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: they named her after a fifty one Ford. That was 520 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: pretty good. This guy a couple of weeks ago, this 521 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: writer's guy. I said to him, you know, three hundred 522 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: and fifty police officers got shot last year. Now you 523 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: don't hear about that. Three hundred and fifty were shot 524 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: now this So then they say, well sixty were killed, 525 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: and you know in most years that number is a 526 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: lot higher. Well, we're wearing ballistic vests, we have paramedics treatment. 527 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: But I asked him, I said, if you got shot 528 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 2: on the job, whatever job you went, if you got 529 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: shot on the job, does it change your life? Does 530 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: it change your family's life, your neighbors, your parents, your kids. 531 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: Do you just well throw that shirt away and start 532 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: over again. You get shot what could be more violent 533 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: than that, other than being killed? Can you imagine being 534 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: shot living? And how often do you think that can 535 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: happen to somebody before they go crazy or they or 536 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: they quit the job. Three and fifty were actually shot 537 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 2: and survived. And to me, that number is way up. 538 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: That number is like double what it was three years ago. 539 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: And it's because it's too easy to fight back, it's 540 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: too easy to resist, it's too easy to shoot the 541 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: police officer because there is no consequence. When you saw 542 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 2: those two New York officers getting beat up on a sidewalk, 543 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: you know what I was thinking. I wish I could 544 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: get there in an hour and jump into that fight. 545 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 2: You know what would I have done if I was 546 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: on the sidewalk? Can those guys flipped off the bird 547 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: to the cameras and walked out of the place before 548 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: the cops got on? Well? Right, why would you stop? 549 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: Yeah? But if you're the cops in that situation, how 550 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: much do you want to fight back with the situation 551 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: where all these cops are like, Man, if I fight 552 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: back and something happens, then I'm the one that ends 553 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: up having to pay. And all these people that want 554 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: to take away immunity from cop and I mean, this 555 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: is making it less and less attractive. It used to 556 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: just be pension. And it was interesting when I was 557 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: running for office. I was at a building and they 558 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: had a security guard there and he was talking to 559 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: me and he's like, hey, I'm I'm a cop, but 560 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: I retired because you know, it was just too dangerous. 561 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: And he said, and they took our pensions away. And 562 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: the guy I was with was like, hardcore. You know, 563 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: we shouldn't pay pensions and teachers pensions and all this stuff, 564 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: and why I don't get a pension? Why should you 565 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: get a pension? And it was so funny to listen 566 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: because he said, you know, we can only be on 567 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: the job for like fifty five years, and I've given 568 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: up my whole life to be to make sure people 569 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: are safe, and then you're going to take away my 570 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: pension from me and say, now you got to at 571 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: fifty five start a whole new job that you know 572 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: nothing about. And we walked away. We got in the 573 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: car and he looked at me and was like, man, 574 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: makes me think a lot differently about pensions. And I'm like, 575 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: but why aren't we talking about this, because these should 576 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: be the people that we are taking care of, that 577 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: we are holding up that Like, that's what I'm saying 578 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: about government. Government should be there for these people were 579 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: saving our lives, they're protecting us, and yet how do 580 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: we get to this point that was just the beginning 581 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: was taking away pensions. Now it's like people are openly 582 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: trashing cops on the news. 583 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we had at one time because we've 584 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: never really felt like a police officer should be pushing 585 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: a car on at sixty five, you don't Medicare age. 586 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: So it actually just two weeks ago. And I've been 587 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: working on this for about five years in Washington, DC 588 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: right now, and I know it's could be unpopular to some, 589 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: but we don't have any retirement healthcare anymore. There was 590 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: a time when we did so a guy left at 591 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: fifty five, he had this bridge to sixty five. We 592 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: all were obligated when eligible to join Medicare, which is 593 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: sixty five. We all contribute to it. And what happens 594 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: is there is nothing between fifty five and sixty five 595 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: right now, then the Blue Cross will tell you that's 596 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: the most utilized period in your life most of us. 597 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: Could you get a stint or a bad shoulder or 598 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: a hip or whatever, And so what happens? Do you 599 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: want that cop to work to a sixty five? It's 600 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: not good. So I've gone to I had Senators dabin 601 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: Out and Senator John Cornyn brought a bill in five 602 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: years ago, and all I wanted was Medicare from fifty 603 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: five to sixty five. But only if you were eligible 604 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: to retire. Not a guy that quits his job, not 605 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: a guy that gets fired from his job. But if 606 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: you were eligible to retire when you left, did you 607 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 2: get medicare until sixty five and then get it as 608 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: everyone else does? And I remember a senator's dabbing I'll 609 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: look at me and saying, I can't believe we don't 610 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: already do that. Well, well then she puts it on 611 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: the bill and she says that everybody should get it 612 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: at fifty five. Well know what that looks like? A 613 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: billion trillions of dollars. I wasn't trying to get something 614 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: for free. I was trying to find a way of 615 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: bridging this gap for first responders. And really, we generally 616 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: hire healthy people. I mean we're not like the normally. 617 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I go back to what you were just 618 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: saying about you getting in that fight and five days 619 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: later you suddenly feel it in your shoulders. Because your 620 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: job is different than my job. Your job is going 621 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: to be a torn road cuff and those things are 622 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: going to start to affect you at fifty five and 623 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: you got to go in and get it fixed. And 624 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: that's different than what I'm experiencing. So I would say 625 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: cops even more so, are going to need that protection 626 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare and it gets taken away. 627 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: I got hit so bad hard in the back of 628 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: my police car while I had nine hundred million LED 629 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: light bulbs going off, not LED's, they're incodescence when I 630 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: was on a job by a female that had been drinking. 631 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: Hit so hard that the deck what came through the 632 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: back window of the police car door slam shot on 633 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: my leg, radar hit me in the face, arm broke 634 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: off the butt of the shotgun, all in one hit. 635 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: Go back to work two hours later in a different 636 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: car because you're not bleeding, so you just go back 637 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: to work. I love the job, and I'm glad. I'm 638 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: glad I did every day of it. But you're right, 639 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: the things you're saying happened so routinely that and these 640 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: were accidents, but now they're intentional things that are happening. 641 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: You know, people, these officers are getting hurt by three 642 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand people funding them in the knows. 643 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 644 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Right now, we have a president 645 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: who is all for what. I mean, he's out there saying, well, 646 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: I listened to AOC because she's smart and she is 647 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: a great advisor to me. And I think this woman 648 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: is talking about getting rid of all our protections. I mean, 649 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: she kicked a good company out of her district for jobs, 650 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: but more so the amount that she has gone after 651 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: police and said we need to defund the police. So 652 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: you endorsed Donald Trump before I let you go tell 653 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: me how that happened and why you guys decided to 654 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: do that. 655 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking, because it got me more emails 656 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: and text messages and telephone calls, and I've ever had 657 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: some of them actually were happy, and you know, I 658 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: love that challenge. That's all good. This is the first 659 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: time in my life that we had two presidents running 660 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: for office. We had two people that actually ran. We 661 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: didn't have a senator, a governor, you know, a secretary 662 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: of state run and against an income. But we had 663 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: two presidents, both had served in the office. I think 664 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: since Grover Cleveland that might have been the last time 665 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: that happened. And even that was even before me. And 666 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: so when I looked at it, it became this this 667 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: binary choice. You've got one guy. What did he do? 668 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: He came in and he said, hey, we gotta do 669 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: something about the border. And it wasn't even a big deal. 670 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: Yet he builds five hundred and forty miles a wall. 671 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how many miles of materials he had 672 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: laying on the ground. It ended up rust in a way. 673 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: He got Mexico to keep people on the Mexican side 674 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: of the border and had their military guarding the border. 675 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: So was it coming on our side and then and 676 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: then having to put him somewhere you can't come in. 677 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: It worked out really well, and you had forty thousand 678 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: people a month instead of three hundred thousand people a 679 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: month coming in. Now we have a person that says 680 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: open the border. It's the law that's messed up. Grief, 681 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? This is because of the lot 682 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: Come on, the same law existed when Donald Trump was there. 683 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 2: So when that happens, you've got when you let three 684 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: million that you identify, and I think that's probably a 685 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 2: fraction of what actually comes in come in here, and 686 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: you give him an iPad, and you give them five 687 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: hundred dollars gift card, and you give them free transportation 688 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: anywhere in the country they want to go. We're in 689 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: the public safety business, you know, like like you want 690 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: for your your children and your family and your mom. 691 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: These are the things that happen out there. And I'm 692 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: looking at this one guy that says he well, if 693 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 2: you've got to if you've got a you know, a 694 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: crisis to say from back home, you you know you 695 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: want to get let in tell them over there. You know, 696 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: we'll figure it out. We'll send the judges over to you. 697 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: So I looked at these two and to me, that 698 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: wasn't even who would risk a coin toss. And a 699 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: guy that says, I secured the border. I did it 700 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 2: even in spite of the fact that the Congress fought 701 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 2: him on every dollar. He went to court to get 702 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: the money and to take it from the Pentagon. I mean, 703 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: this was the guy that fought and fought and fought 704 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: for got Mexico basically by threat of terrace guard the border, 705 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 2: and they did. And look at it now, I mean, 706 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: it's to me, how can you think that's okay? How 707 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 2: can ten million people in three years coming into your 708 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 2: illegally be safe? Right? Thirty thousand coming from China since 709 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: probably last October. This isn't not because I hate Chinese people, 710 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: It's not that at all. Come through the door. You 711 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: put a fence around your house, Is it too much 712 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: to ask for you to come through the gate instead 713 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: of climbing the fence. To me, it's the easiest choice 714 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: I've ever had to put in front of my people. 715 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: Is you've got one that says let them all, and 716 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: we've got one that says, let's do the best we 717 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: can to slow the blood flow here. And that's what's 718 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: going on in Chicago and Denver and you know, in 719 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: every other tell New York City. Oh my god, I mean, 720 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: these people in Chicago talking about how many millions of 721 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: dollars are being spent to house the illegals. They're saying 722 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: in the big hotels, for star hotels. I don't care 723 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: where they stay. Why am I paying for it? And 724 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: we've got police officers that were down seventeen percents in 725 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: this state. That's about two thousand and thirty thousand guys. 726 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 2: Everybody's working sixteen hour days. They work mandated overtime. This 727 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: isn't overtime that you say, I'll take the money. It's 728 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: them saying if you don't show up, you're going to 729 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: get suspended. It's the guy like you saw last week 730 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 2: that says, yeah, I just went through a tragedy and 731 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 2: I got to go wash up and get back to 732 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: work because there's no one there. Yeah. Me, this decision 733 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: has the border for us. I know the economy is big, 734 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: I know all these things are big, but a lot 735 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 2: of it stems from there. 736 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: That the border was the clincher for you endorsing Donald 737 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Trump for president. 738 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 2: It was you know, I had a list of good thanks, 739 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: but that was the one as the president of the 740 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: people that I represent and the people were trying to protect, 741 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: to me that if you fix that, we'll figure out 742 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: how to buy bread and milk. 743 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, before I one more thing before I let 744 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: you go, because you were talking about how you. 745 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 2: Are sorry to me, you already told me one more thing. 746 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: I know I know, but I'm going to go. I'm 747 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: doing another one because I thought about this. When you 748 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: were just saying milk and bread. You said something about 749 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: when you were a kid and you were pumping gas 750 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: for people and how many people you met. It made 751 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: me think, like, I've got people today don't even remember 752 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: when someone pumped your gas for you and went to 753 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: the gas station. They can you imagine now gas stations 754 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: even being able to afford to pay people to sit 755 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: at the pump and pump your gas. 756 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, first, you beat me up about Gladys. 757 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: Now, damn I remember Gladys and the pump. Okay, so 758 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: I'm not that much younger than you. Was my point. 759 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 2: Listen, I have heard your stories about you cleaning out 760 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 2: cleaning on molds at the steel shop. I know you're 761 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: a real person, that's why we get along. But I 762 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: never knew a Gladys anyway. I think she was on 763 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 2: maybe Lucia or something. I know. 764 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying right now, in this economy, we 765 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: don't even have somebody we're punching in the buttons at 766 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: McDonald Do you don't even have somebody to order from, 767 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: let alone pump your gas. 768 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: That's right. That's right, man. 769 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: We were spoiled. We didn't know what we had in Michigan, 770 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: especially with the weather in the winter. Somebody just come 771 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: up to the window and ask you what you want. Oh, 772 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. 773 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: If you're ever in a neighborhood, I'll come pump your guests. 774 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: With all right, that's a deal. Thank you so much 775 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: for coming on, Jim taking Ellie. We appreciate you. 776 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for the nice things you've said about the people 777 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 2: we represent lately, and you're always welcome. 778 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, yes, you guys are amazing, and I just 779 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: want you to know that we are here for you. 780 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: Whatever we can do to continually lift our police officers up, 781 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: we will do that good. 782 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 2: And ask for a better advocate. Thank you, have a 783 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 2: great afternoon. Good to your girls. 784 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you all for joining us on 785 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go 786 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,439 Speaker 1: to Tutor Dixon Podcast and subscribe right there, or head 787 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 788 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: get your podcasts and join us next time on the 789 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessed day.