Speaker 1: Welcome to jay Dot in a production of My Heart Rates.
Speaker 1: Hello good people, Hello good people. I hope you are
Speaker 1: so well. Thank you so much for it's been a
Speaker 1: little time with Jay Dot Elder podcast. This is the
Speaker 1: Lady Jill Scott. What's that? What's that was up? It's
Speaker 1: La Saint Clair's so crazy. Yo yo yo yo yo
Speaker 1: yo yo. It's it's it's just as it's like killing
Speaker 1: their mama. No, I feel good. I don't know about
Speaker 1: anybody else right now. How how you guys feeling? It
Speaker 1: was in that cocktail. That cocktail this, my dear, h
Speaker 1: it's not it's no alcohol in it. It's lemon water, ginger,
Speaker 1: kayan and cucumbers and it's just lovely. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: A little cool, a little a little cool, a little kick.
Speaker 1: What's cool? He is the black narrative. Watching stories about ourselves,
Speaker 1: reading stories about ourselves. Being able to see our image
Speaker 1: in a reflection on a television screen or in a
Speaker 1: movie screen. That is cool. And we're seeing so much
Speaker 1: more of it. And it's about god damn time, I said,
Speaker 1: g O T it's about time. But we're also seeing
Speaker 1: something else. We're also seeing what what we call it
Speaker 1: trauma porn. Well, that is definitely the term of the times,
Speaker 1: at least a conversation about what it is, If it exists,
Speaker 1: should we tolerated? Is there such a thing as an
Speaker 1: okay amount? Is there you know how to identify it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm here to tell you that I want.
Speaker 1: Watched them on it was an Amazon Prime. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched them. First of all, I thought it was absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I appreciated that, loved the lighting, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I love the love that it was a completely brown family,
Speaker 1: because you know how often we see, you know, a
Speaker 1: brown skin husband and a light skinned wife with the
Speaker 1: curly hair. I was happy to see a brown family
Speaker 1: with brown babies. You no, no disrespect to anybody, you know.
Speaker 1: I realized, I'm light skins. It's a new revelation. Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen bell with her. It's a new revelation. That
Speaker 1: was that was a very proud of. I just want
Speaker 1: to take this moment to say I said it proud.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for anybody who has been
Speaker 1: listening to our podcast. I just realized I was like
Speaker 1: skin a couple of weeks ago, and you know, it
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings. I didn't think that. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: just didn't think it. But you know, I am, and
Speaker 1: I still want to see brown families on a television
Speaker 1: screen or a movie screen. I still want to see
Speaker 1: a brown skin mama with her brown skin babies. Let
Speaker 1: me see the let you see us. You know, we're
Speaker 1: not just one kind of family. So I'm happy to
Speaker 1: see these things. I did watch them. It was traumatic,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah? It was. It was traumatic. It was
Speaker 1: so many things right, the processn't getting the age to
Speaker 1: watch was that was traumatic for me myself. Dad, I
Speaker 1: didn't even gotten to the content of a movie. But
Speaker 1: I was a little bit of a slow burn on
Speaker 1: it because well, number one, because before I could even
Speaker 1: decide to watch it, I was privy to a lot
Speaker 1: of the controversy around it. And I'm just very very
Speaker 1: careful about the things that I watched because I don't
Speaker 1: have a I don't have a problem watching difficult themes,
Speaker 1: but usually they're always it's like historic. I don't typically
Speaker 1: want to watch anything, and even with historic stuff, I
Speaker 1: just I'm really careful. I have believe vivid dreams, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a thing about imagery, So once once the
Speaker 1: conversation came up that that this particular show had some
Speaker 1: elements in it that felt, I don't know, gratuitous, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean in terms of just like to
Speaker 1: just just not necessary, but taking black folks through um,
Speaker 1: some emotional trauma that they didn't have to go through.
Speaker 1: That was some things that were being said about it,
Speaker 1: despite the beauty of it, despite obviously being able to
Speaker 1: have the beautiful cast, and you know, and then obviously
Speaker 1: in recent years seeing full on black casts emerged into
Speaker 1: something like that's horror, the horror genre and just kind
Speaker 1: of stretching the imagination in that way. So it's it's
Speaker 1: really difficult, I think for us because we always found
Speaker 1: ourselves in this place where we have to sell lebrate
Speaker 1: a first or celebrate something being new and seeing ourselves
Speaker 1: make strides in a certain way. But then at the
Speaker 1: same time, too, we feel guilty about critiquing it. And
Speaker 1: I think with black narratives, we constantly find ourselves in
Speaker 1: this place. We found ourselves in that place with the
Speaker 1: Harriet movie. We found ourselves in that place with a
Speaker 1: lot of quote unquote slave narratives. And so you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this in a in another episode just
Speaker 1: about you know that little extra extra critical. Yeah, really
Speaker 1: go down our checklist, Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, it took
Speaker 1: me up. Basically, It did take me a while to
Speaker 1: watch it, and I did like many of the same
Speaker 1: things that Jill liked about it. But my thing at
Speaker 1: the end of the day was, you know, I ain't
Speaker 1: see enough practice that and I don't know and I'm
Speaker 1: saying that because it's like, hell of black people got
Speaker 1: hurt and we're killed violently, from baby to elder, and
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand where was the payoffs in this fantasy, right,
Speaker 1: because this wasn't the real life. This on real life.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the part about you know, black
Speaker 1: people coming into these areas of the suburbs, if we
Speaker 1: have an option, this is my thing. If I have
Speaker 1: to traumatize myself in a situation where I can control
Speaker 1: the narrative, why not why not toss the trauma? Why
Speaker 1: not spread it around even Yeah, And that's the great debate, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like, but if in fact we're talking about
Speaker 1: the fifties and some of these things that happen, right,
Speaker 1: that's just the truth, Right, black people got terrorized moving
Speaker 1: into some of these neighborhoods, maybe not say some of
Speaker 1: these things. All everything that everything that happened in that
Speaker 1: movie that wasn't of the supernatural nature happened happen, but
Speaker 1: you just don't want to see it, like and I
Speaker 1: feel because I mean, it got to the point I
Speaker 1: think we all agreed that that seeing I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to describe it. With the cat in the bag.
Speaker 1: Cat in the bag. For me, that was when I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, this is this is this
Speaker 1: is this is too much. But then my question is
Speaker 1: on the on the filmmaking aspect, if it is in
Speaker 1: relation to something truthful, then and it was something that happened,
Speaker 1: and yeah it is scary and it's sucked up and
Speaker 1: and the filmmaker is trying to put it in your
Speaker 1: face to say, look at this, this ship happened to us.
Speaker 1: How could you do that differently so that you don't
Speaker 1: feel the way you feel. This should happened to people,
Speaker 1: This happened to human beings. A woman in her home
Speaker 1: with her baby. You know what I'm saying, that's a person.
Speaker 1: That's a person. I am for it. I'm for it
Speaker 1: hard because um, when I when I say for it's
Speaker 1: what I mean by is I'm for the stories. I
Speaker 1: want to see them all we get so tired of.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see any slave narratives. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see why not, Obviously I have an issue
Speaker 1: with slave n That's just that was that was just
Speaker 1: the common I don't want to see black people being brutalized. Baby.
Speaker 1: If you turn on the TV in real life, whether
Speaker 1: they're in the United States or not, you're going to
Speaker 1: see brown people going through terrible traumas on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: But I think that that is there in lies the
Speaker 1: issue were if we're living with being brutalized on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, then why do we then go to our
Speaker 1: brutalization for for entertainment? That well, Hitchcock again, there is
Speaker 1: a way to tell stories, and a varied amount of
Speaker 1: stories that even have historical basis in it, without then
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope to trauma. Right, So, even Alfred Hitchcock,
Speaker 1: there's a storytelling nature to the way things are done.
Speaker 1: Because even if you look at the way that they
Speaker 1: was shot, beautiful shots, beautiful ways that they told the story,
Speaker 1: Even if you look at you know, just so the
Speaker 1: style of filmmaking and All of those things are ways
Speaker 1: that you can tell the story and keep people intrigued,
Speaker 1: but too to pain us. So did you want scenes
Speaker 1: edited out? Are you say? Because I would love to know?
Speaker 1: How could this have been? She just wanted to She
Speaker 1: just wanted the perpetrators to be affected. But that's one thing.
Speaker 1: That's one thing, that's one thing I would have liked.
Speaker 1: The second thing I feel is that I did not
Speaker 1: feel like that it was necessary to traumatize black people,
Speaker 1: which is why there was an argument about them, you
Speaker 1: know out in the world, was was that movie really
Speaker 1: for us? Wasn't more so too shock white people and
Speaker 1: let them know about the level of their of the
Speaker 1: way that they have brutalized us. It wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: moment that was that was for us? I feel that
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and so so would that be in the
Speaker 1: case if this was about being in your face and
Speaker 1: letting people know about what's how brutal it can be
Speaker 1: to be black. We're already aware of how brutal it
Speaker 1: is to be black. We live it, okay, So that
Speaker 1: in that sense, it's like, okay, well, then yeah, then
Speaker 1: take it up to Harvard and take it up to
Speaker 1: the out to the Midwest or wherever, out to the
Speaker 1: suburbs or whatever what the white schools are and show
Speaker 1: it to them. Oh so you're saying, don't put it
Speaker 1: on a on a large platform for the world to see.
Speaker 1: Is that what you think? Do you think that black
Speaker 1: people needed to watch that? But I think, but you have.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll need it. I think that
Speaker 1: I did. I did. I loved it and I wanted it,
Speaker 1: and it troubled me and I didn't sleep and I
Speaker 1: I you know, I stayed up a couple of nights
Speaker 1: with the lights on. But I was absolutely addicted to
Speaker 1: the story. That's my kind of my kind of shift,
Speaker 1: like Jigsaw. That's that movie was traumatic. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta make a choice. That was But but hold on,
Speaker 1: that was traumatic to me. You know this because it's
Speaker 1: black people. I remember in the Queues when Jodi Whiteley
Speaker 1: got got raped on that pinball table. That sucked me up.
Speaker 1: That bothered me, bothered me. I thought about that a lot.
Speaker 1: I still never forgot that even traumatic it was, and
Speaker 1: it brought attention to how somebody could be raped in
Speaker 1: front of other people and they still get off, and
Speaker 1: how you have to humiliate yourself. How do you you
Speaker 1: have to humiliate yourself, you know, in order to to
Speaker 1: get justice for yourself. Damn Well, here's my thing is
Speaker 1: that let me let me just circle back to what
Speaker 1: you said. I do think that there are just legit
Speaker 1: black folks that love horror and they love the ride
Speaker 1: that horror takes them on, and so that that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I respect that in terms of that people ain't got
Speaker 1: a like to watch the same stuff. But I definitely
Speaker 1: think that it would be helpful for us to be
Speaker 1: critical of the way our experience is put out there
Speaker 1: and how we ingested, because our experience is unique, and
Speaker 1: I just think that that is important. And so when
Speaker 1: you talk about all I'm tired of slave people saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of slave narratives. See for me, I'm not,
Speaker 1: because I understand that that's our history. But I also
Speaker 1: don't feel that every story about slavery has to be
Speaker 1: about trauma, because even though the experience is selfish traumatic,
Speaker 1: I don't think that you have to dump in every
Speaker 1: single movie about slaves somebody getting whipped, or even if
Speaker 1: they are getting whipped, Why do we always have to
Speaker 1: see every lash, every blood, every blood drip every such
Speaker 1: some things are not necessary for you to understand what
Speaker 1: is happening there, and and and then, and I will
Speaker 1: even say it like this. In The Lion King, Okay,
Speaker 1: in the Lion King, there's a scene where Mufassa gets
Speaker 1: caught in the herd. Okay, and he gets caught in
Speaker 1: the herd. He falls down into the herd. You don't
Speaker 1: actually see the herd stop him to death, but you
Speaker 1: know that he has asked, point where if there's there's
Speaker 1: I cried at that movie every single time. And there's
Speaker 1: also a moment where the where the baby whoever is
Speaker 1: the baby want um not Mufassa uh Simba walks over
Speaker 1: to his daddy and lifts up his paw and he
Speaker 1: crawls up underneath of it. There are moments to show compassion, death, grief, violence.
Speaker 1: There are ways to discuss these things in truth without
Speaker 1: gutting people who are already vulnerable. But you do understand
Speaker 1: that Lion King was made for general audiences, so if
Speaker 1: you wanted to make for children, so if you wanted
Speaker 1: to make something like that, it had to be that
Speaker 1: you couldn't show you might not want to do that
Speaker 1: because children are watching them wasn't the babies I love
Speaker 1: I love little how Come? How come I can't be treated?
Speaker 1: You can? But it's up to your election not to
Speaker 1: watch things though, because what what sounds to me a
Speaker 1: little scary is and not saying you make perfect sense,
Speaker 1: but you can't really police if somebody is trying to
Speaker 1: make an impact, say little Marvin, his intention was to
Speaker 1: shop the funk out of white people and let them
Speaker 1: know what they did to us, right, And you can't
Speaker 1: just take that the Harvard because it got to be
Speaker 1: all kinds of white people. You got to be the
Speaker 1: white people that can't get the Harvard. They don't even
Speaker 1: know where Harvard is. So what is the white people
Speaker 1: watch this show? I don't know, I said, that's in
Speaker 1: her one. Did white people watch Get Out? They did?
Speaker 1: They did? Because again get Out? Did you did you
Speaker 1: discuss that any of us discussed this show with any
Speaker 1: of our white friends? I did? What they think about it? Sure?
Speaker 1: She says she was sorry. She was like, I am
Speaker 1: just so sorry. And then she she was like, this
Speaker 1: is very this is very shocking, very traumatic. That was
Speaker 1: you know. She was like, it's good, it's well written.
Speaker 1: She got it. Interested had a check Listen, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't figure out what other people are gonna do
Speaker 1: with what what it is. I'm not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. I'm saying that I
Speaker 1: really understood the crack in that woman, in that character
Speaker 1: based off of what occurred. There was no way for
Speaker 1: her not to crack. It had to be done. And
Speaker 1: I love that that sub story right there about black women.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm talking. Well, let me say that's
Speaker 1: what happened to hold on. Now, what happened, I get
Speaker 1: it like that is traumatic. It hurt like it hurts.
Speaker 1: What was happening to the daughter was traumatic in her mind.
Speaker 1: I've been a little black girl plenty. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is an experience that I've had um as far
Speaker 1: as the little girl and and the teacher wanting to
Speaker 1: please a teacher. Teachers, Now you know all of the
Speaker 1: things that went into the psychological break, and that's what
Speaker 1: I appreciate. List Then we are on the same page.
Speaker 1: We're on the same page about that. We'll be back
Speaker 1: after the break. Nobody ever investigates the cracks. Um investigate
Speaker 1: the cracks. You girl, you have somebody, you have a
Speaker 1: young man that is walking home from from wherever he's
Speaker 1: walking from home from in his old neighborhood, eating some
Speaker 1: god darned candy, wearing a hood, minding his business, and
Speaker 1: somebody comes outside and decides that he's a threat and
Speaker 1: they murder that child. That is that is trauma, and
Speaker 1: it's horror. It's horror. Two, when we watched Schindler's List
Speaker 1: and you saw how emaciated those people were, and how
Speaker 1: they would go into these these rooms of gas and
Speaker 1: and you know, never come out again, how they pile
Speaker 1: those bodies on, that was traumatic. Jewish people felt that.
Speaker 1: I wondered, now I'm they They were bawling in the
Speaker 1: movie there or when I was there. But y'all, but y'all, listen.
Speaker 1: Is about historical fact. That's not that's not the same.
Speaker 1: What what horror flick do we have about Nazis glorious bastards,
Speaker 1: But no Overlord, which is fantastic, by the way, that
Speaker 1: please please pay attention to watch it. Overlord is fictitious,
Speaker 1: but it is a horror movie. It also and has
Speaker 1: the Holocaust involved into it and Nazi Germany, and it
Speaker 1: starts a young black man. What I will say is
Speaker 1: this and I'm gonna check that out, by the way,
Speaker 1: But what I will say is this is that there
Speaker 1: were some really brilliant aspects of the show. As I
Speaker 1: want to be super clear, as much as I feel
Speaker 1: like with black art, we should be able to love
Speaker 1: and critique it, that's number one, you know, and continue
Speaker 1: to move forward in this journey with our art. So
Speaker 1: I don't believe in completely bad s these things. I
Speaker 1: want us to, you know, to really just kind of
Speaker 1: think about it. But anyway, bottom line is that there
Speaker 1: were some really brilliant aspects of the movie. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that you talked about in terms of
Speaker 1: the cracks that I think that that is really in
Speaker 1: terms of the sanity of it all, what is happening
Speaker 1: in the mind and that the that the horror of
Speaker 1: the movie really talks about what is happening in the
Speaker 1: minds of black people on a constant basis, how they
Speaker 1: are interpreting the you know, that inner battle with that
Speaker 1: kind of that inner, that that demon that is in
Speaker 1: your mind that no one else can see, that is
Speaker 1: communicating with you all of the time. And that, to me,
Speaker 1: that was really one of the most profound moments in
Speaker 1: that series, where it really kind of made that reel
Speaker 1: and all of us have had that conversation with that
Speaker 1: little white supremacist demon that wants to tell you a
Speaker 1: lie and creates a world where if that lite can live,
Speaker 1: and that that that was really profound for me, and
Speaker 1: particularly in the relationship with the father and that sambo,
Speaker 1: when the Sambo continued to tell him like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: just gonna let them? Are you? Not a man? You
Speaker 1: couldn't protect your family, you couldn't do something? Whoa It
Speaker 1: was powerful. That was powerful. That was to me, that
Speaker 1: was really powerful. And but again, you know, sad at
Speaker 1: the end of the day because again they fought these
Speaker 1: battles and no one saw it and they had to
Speaker 1: go back out that house at the very end and
Speaker 1: face a very real external demon after having exhausted themselves
Speaker 1: fighting an internal one. Goddamnitt that well written freaking crazy.
Speaker 1: The reality of that was powerful. Again, But I maintained
Speaker 1: that it was one that we ingested and that you know,
Speaker 1: I just think that was just something that we that
Speaker 1: that we have, you know, that we talked about, we ingested,
Speaker 1: we suffered, and we we suffered through and we got
Speaker 1: something from But it was a way for us to
Speaker 1: be seen by each other as many moments for black
Speaker 1: people are, and that is what I want. I appreciate
Speaker 1: all of it. Give me the stories, help me understand.
Speaker 1: I notice. You know fiction, fiction is powerful. If you've
Speaker 1: ever read Jay California, Cooper or Octavia Butler, you know
Speaker 1: a movie it's coming. I'm just saying that I want
Speaker 1: all the stories. Give me, give me all the smoke,
Speaker 1: and teaching me about it, and teach me a little
Speaker 1: something like about redlining while we're at it, because I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, okay, give me really violently though what
Speaker 1: I have enjoyed it. Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all just gonna
Speaker 1: let her get shot from afar. Really that we're going Yeah,
Speaker 1: she couldn't have got bashed to the head of nothing.
Speaker 1: But come on, y'all, come on, listen, you got a point.
Speaker 1: There ain't no one's perfect. You know, we mentioned all
Speaker 1: these great things that he did, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it was a lovely death. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying, what about movies like Antebello
Speaker 1: did it too. I'm gonna go with twelve I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with twelve years of slay. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna that scene where Lopea in y'all Go, her
Speaker 1: character was being raped. That was that was horrible. That
Speaker 1: was horrible, and I could see why she would want
Speaker 1: to take her life like I could. I could see it,
Speaker 1: and that we as a people we end up going
Speaker 1: through some traumatic, horrible things internally externally, and the will
Speaker 1: to live is something else. It's it's we still ain't
Speaker 1: got a real movie about the Middle Passage. So I
Speaker 1: I a shudder too. It's there is so much to tell.
Speaker 1: There's so many stories. There are so many stories to tell,
Speaker 1: and they don't they do not have to be centered
Speaker 1: in the deepest, darkest part of our pain. And they
Speaker 1: don't have to be that. But and they can still
Speaker 1: be honest, and they could still be thought provoking. And
Speaker 1: we are critical thinkers and creators and we can do
Speaker 1: all of it. I really believe. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is a this is a real new genre. I want
Speaker 1: to get used to this. This is Yes. What's not
Speaker 1: a new genre is profiting off the pain of black people.
Speaker 1: That is not a new genre. I just want the stories.
Speaker 1: I want them all. I It drove me crazy that
Speaker 1: anytime you watch a horror flick. You know there's one
Speaker 1: black person in the crew. You know, they would typically
Speaker 1: get chilled. You know, they fall, they fall in the water.
Speaker 1: You know, they would get killed first. Then they started
Speaker 1: making them get killed second to last, you know. And
Speaker 1: just watching the evolution of this thing, I appreciate the
Speaker 1: stories and as a as a writer and as an actor.
Speaker 1: You want more, I want more, I want more. I'll
Speaker 1: take you. Remember Tales from the Hood. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was pretty good. I came from, but that that was awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, people have put in some work prior to this,
Speaker 1: and Candy Man, I don't know, it's coming back. It's
Speaker 1: coming back, It's coming back. And then, I mean, what
Speaker 1: did y'all think about get Out? Because get Out was
Speaker 1: the first of its kind. I mean again, I loved
Speaker 1: to get Out here. I loved it. I loved and
Speaker 1: I love the fact that it played on the fear
Speaker 1: of most black people. Okay, but guess guess who got
Speaker 1: hacked up? All right, right, right right? And that's why
Speaker 1: you loved it so much, because they got hacked and
Speaker 1: burnt up, that hacked up, packed up, and who got away?
Speaker 1: And guess who got away and got away with all
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and that movie when you see that
Speaker 1: man end up killing the girl, You're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and it was really you know, they had
Speaker 1: two endings by the way. They had an ending where
Speaker 1: there was real police that showed up, and they had
Speaker 1: an ending with the homeboy, you know. And but but yes,
Speaker 1: and see what see the options that we have in
Speaker 1: fiction that you I'm so glad you brought it because
Speaker 1: you that we have, yes, yes, to change the narrative
Speaker 1: and still be honest, and still be raw, and still
Speaker 1: pull people's emotions and still tell truths. All of that.
Speaker 1: That is the difference between Jordan Peel and Little Marvin
Speaker 1: as well. Of course, we don't all have to be
Speaker 1: the same. No, and I and I tell you this
Speaker 1: and this is really a love conversation because you know
Speaker 1: it is. This is a love conversation because I loved
Speaker 1: black creators and I don't want to see us feel
Speaker 1: like we have to please every single person on the
Speaker 1: because we cannot with this underground. So I'm here for Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't write, but it's not gonna hit every mark.
Speaker 1: And I never forget what's the Chris Rock said, we
Speaker 1: have to have the freedom to suck. Yes, yes, you
Speaker 1: know and so, and not saying that this did because
Speaker 1: it was really good. But the point is that I
Speaker 1: get all of that, and I want to be clear
Speaker 1: that that, and even in what I'm critiquing, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I still know beauty when I see it, and I
Speaker 1: am grateful that that black creatives are getting these opportunities.
Speaker 1: But as we've learned in recent years, we have to
Speaker 1: be very careful about representation. Representation is not a win
Speaker 1: in and of itself, and we get really caught up
Speaker 1: in representation. Oh well, this is the first time a
Speaker 1: black person did this, or they're letting black people make this,
Speaker 1: or they're letting black people do that, and all of
Speaker 1: that's great, But we can be so caught up in
Speaker 1: representation that we allow things to not that we're not
Speaker 1: going to think critically about it. That's That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, or but the fact that there's more
Speaker 1: to see and more to critique. Did anybody happen to
Speaker 1: see Sophie's Love Sylvie didn't? It was very good. I
Speaker 1: love Nami almost got it almost that's your whole name.
Speaker 1: It was very good. I just want more of that.
Speaker 1: I just want the DP to to pay attention to colors.
Speaker 1: You know, for a long time we'll be on screen
Speaker 1: looking ashy, you know that that funny gray color, you know,
Speaker 1: not not accentuating an actor. Thank you so much. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have a lot of different options. You've
Speaker 1: got you know, your you know Spike Lee, and you've
Speaker 1: got your Tyler Perry. You know, there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stories to tell, and I want to I want
Speaker 1: more of them. Agree, I agree, that's got to be more.
Speaker 1: Has got to be more and more and more and more,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we get to a point where it isn't
Speaker 1: just about you know, this is the first black movie
Speaker 1: that or this movie was black. But it's like you
Speaker 1: know so and so Spielberg or like just that another
Speaker 1: it's just a good movie or it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: it's something you want to see or some you don't,
Speaker 1: and the I just want all the options. That's that's
Speaker 1: really how I feel about it. You know, the trauma
Speaker 1: portion of it. There's going to be some trauma. I
Speaker 1: just watched a movie not too long ago. I cannot think,
Speaker 1: uh something when you're dead. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: It was a young girl who was attacked by some
Speaker 1: dudes in a cabin I spent on your graves, that's
Speaker 1: what it was called. It's a whole series. It's a
Speaker 1: whole series. There's I think there's like three of them,
Speaker 1: you know, three of trilogy, and it's about a young
Speaker 1: a girl who was viciously raped and they showed it
Speaker 1: and it was it was horrific. And the way she
Speaker 1: got back at them was worse than the rape. She
Speaker 1: she did the words, she did the most and I clapped,
Speaker 1: I lapped, and I wanted to watch it again, but
Speaker 1: it was the first part was hard to watch. But
Speaker 1: when you understood why it was like that, why she
Speaker 1: was so vicious with it, when you when you saw
Speaker 1: what happened to her, you were like, uh huh, I
Speaker 1: get that. I think that that movie is coming. I
Speaker 1: think that movie is absolutely coming. And remember that that
Speaker 1: cop did get shot several times and and one movie
Speaker 1: and um them. Oh, but he was an he No,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it in the sense of me, in
Speaker 1: the sense of all those etle asked white people. He
Speaker 1: was the nices of the people. That's what I in
Speaker 1: my mind. I've seen that woman, that that singing woman,
Speaker 1: that showed up at the house. I seen her boiling,
Speaker 1: I have seen her pushed off of a bridge. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of things. Dogs attacking. That was a horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible thing, horrible thing. Well, you know what, we having
Speaker 1: this whole conversation that we did not mention love Cram,
Speaker 1: which caused a lot of conversation and really kind of
Speaker 1: brought this conversation up again after after us, where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, this kind of fantasy horror, three
Speaker 1: historree whole actual picking, isn't it? But here, but here's
Speaker 1: what's really a horrifying picking, a horrifying picking. A twin
Speaker 1: that thing that bothered me to go to sleep after that, honey,
Speaker 1: that's got me, That's got me good. But that's really
Speaker 1: reminded me of Octavia Butler style though, and so the
Speaker 1: black horror or science fiction style really does to you
Speaker 1: all's point have that mixture of historical fiction, sci fi, horror, drama,
Speaker 1: even a little bit of comedy. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see this kind of mesh and male mold
Speaker 1: mesh gumbo of genres all packed into some of these
Speaker 1: movies because they all had those moments. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting the black take on this genre and and
Speaker 1: and how it has to include, you know, the black experience.
Speaker 1: But to Jordan's Peel's you know, to his credit, when
Speaker 1: he did his other movie, which was The US US,
Speaker 1: when he did Us anybody to a degree, they could
Speaker 1: have stuck any color family and to that movie, so
Speaker 1: that movie was not necessarily in few is with the
Speaker 1: Black experience. He just took a black family. He just
Speaker 1: took a black family and inserted them into the into
Speaker 1: into that moment. So I mean, so you kind of
Speaker 1: have to So there's there's a kind of a place
Speaker 1: for that in US too. Yeah, and us it was like,
Speaker 1: I see, it happened to all the people around the world.
Speaker 1: Remember that the whole they just happen. They just they
Speaker 1: just happened to be a black family. That's just to
Speaker 1: be a black family. Yeah, which is so listen, I
Speaker 1: did that, right, he did that. I'm like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: you don't have to take us home because you gave
Speaker 1: us so many jobs. I'll do that train. We'll be
Speaker 1: back after the break. You know. I got a shout out.
Speaker 1: The just the level of creativity that we're able to
Speaker 1: see makes me so excited. To think about Watchmen. Yeah, amazing,
Speaker 1: what's my ama? Don't say his name, say his name,
Speaker 1: say his name, say his name, Jill, what's his name?
Speaker 1: His name? Man, it's only one, it's only one. Yeah, yeah, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: ya ya teen, motherfucker. Don't you tell me it ain't
Speaker 1: no black male actors up in this thing hill hunting,
Speaker 1: because yeah, it was beautiful, miss thank you, Regina, thank you.
Speaker 1: It was beauty. That was so sad that the writer
Speaker 1: didn't want to you don't continue on. That was just
Speaker 1: so I was so ready, so ready. It's worth watching again.
Speaker 1: It is at least the first episode. Get your history.
Speaker 1: That first episode gets your history. Very well done. Hey
Speaker 1: guess and guess what had happened? It's victorious? Okay, ages
Speaker 1: making more points. That's the fact that we watch Marvel.
Speaker 1: We watch all the Marvel movies. We get involved with
Speaker 1: all the science fiction stuff. We love that stuff. This,
Speaker 1: this Falcon and Winter Soldier went really black. This. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you are that deep into the Marvel,
Speaker 1: but the Anthony Malki showed it just finished Falcon and
Speaker 1: the Winter Soldier, it went it took a turn to
Speaker 1: blackness and a tuskey experiment that was just unexpected. Oh
Speaker 1: I just gotta tell you. I just want to tell
Speaker 1: the people to like if you get a chance to
Speaker 1: watch it, because oh yes, I'm sorry, I mean to
Speaker 1: your wisdom. No, not at all. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, just the fact that we've been watching these
Speaker 1: Marvel movies, we've been supporting Marvel, We've been supporting all
Speaker 1: of the science fiction and the superheroes and all of that.
Speaker 1: And to be able to see this, you know, this
Speaker 1: is great. Ban Cougar, I love it. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: said you watchman. But just everything, y'all, y'all, just if
Speaker 1: you ain't saying that, you trip think and think about
Speaker 1: the My Rainy story, you know, think about that and
Speaker 1: how Chadwick's character did not get to live that dream
Speaker 1: for somebody else who's watching that and did not get
Speaker 1: to live their dream and it was right there at
Speaker 1: their hands and they've been promised this thing that is traumatic,
Speaker 1: that thing hurt, that thing hurt deep. And the fact
Speaker 1: that Glenn Turman is brilliant and brilliant and the fact
Speaker 1: that that character was taken away, that it was, and
Speaker 1: how painful it was on both sides, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: for for Glenn Turman's character and as well for Chadwick's character, Like,
Speaker 1: what did that mean? Psychologically? Give me the cuts, show
Speaker 1: me where the cracks happen, because we're people where people
Speaker 1: and cracks, and you any any sane person can crack
Speaker 1: with the level of stuff that's going on in this world,
Speaker 1: right the cracks. So when when somebody goes crazy or
Speaker 1: they do they do something that you know, even in
Speaker 1: the spirit world, you understand what had happened. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I love the way you find that as the cracks.
Speaker 1: I definitely think that it's just like the humanity of
Speaker 1: us is, it's so important, it's fragile, the humanity of us,
Speaker 1: to show the humanity of us. That that I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a challenge before us and that especially with
Speaker 1: our art, is to is to show our humanity and
Speaker 1: to consider our humanity. Right, But I think you're you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, we don't want to be dishonest,
Speaker 1: want to honor the human experience and then insert ourselves
Speaker 1: into the human experience and humanize ourselves for the outside
Speaker 1: world because we know we're human, but they don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see us as that so that is
Speaker 1: really important. I'm not worried about that nobody else. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about us and and the fact that we don't
Speaker 1: get a chance to see us in that way for
Speaker 1: so long. All of our TV shows and our movies
Speaker 1: are not all but a lot of them and shout
Speaker 1: shout out to the coffee show into a different world
Speaker 1: like that. That really took some blinders off and open
Speaker 1: new doors to us, because our our movies and our
Speaker 1: TV shows were you know, a lot of it was
Speaker 1: it was it was the good times. You know, it
Speaker 1: was a lot of weird, poverty stricken. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it work in any way necessary. And that is
Speaker 1: us too. That is us, and then or the Jeffersons.
Speaker 1: You know, here we are. We we've advanced a little
Speaker 1: more more and now we're you know, in the big
Speaker 1: leagues getting our bad you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: the progress has been slow, and sometimes it's been thwarted,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless it's been happening, and it's happening in a
Speaker 1: beautiful way because for I swear, just trying to find
Speaker 1: somebody who too could shoot a brown skinned person. Yeah
Speaker 1: you you there were the dps that couldn't even see
Speaker 1: the beauty, couldn't capture it. Uh, the DPS director of photography.
Speaker 1: So shout out to all the good ones that can,
Speaker 1: that can actually see the textures and and and the
Speaker 1: magic in skin. If you are a DP and you
Speaker 1: want to understand the magic of a brown person skin,
Speaker 1: a deep brown person, look at Besa Butler's work Instagram.
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to see the dimension and color.
Speaker 1: I was. I was followed up follow these vickers a
Speaker 1: hashtag book on the Instagram, and they joke a lot
Speaker 1: about being an actor, and it's at an other than
Speaker 1: they're talking about, you know, hair, and that's another thing too.
Speaker 1: Was like just the just even even that moment in
Speaker 1: them where she goes to the cousin's house and she
Speaker 1: does her hair and she makes it clear that she
Speaker 1: don't wear weeds, and it's like to see that woman
Speaker 1: getting her hair pressed and getting it all done. I mean,
Speaker 1: just these are these kind of really intimate moments with
Speaker 1: with our skin and our hair and how we just
Speaker 1: interact with each other. I even remember somebody talking about
Speaker 1: this in the in an animated film in the movie Soul,
Speaker 1: where they talked about I think it's a Frank Abney
Speaker 1: is the guy who who is the is one of
Speaker 1: the animators on there, and he talked about how they
Speaker 1: made this decision about the main character was gonna come
Speaker 1: down the steps, and that when he came down the steps,
Speaker 1: before he went down, he like touched his nose and
Speaker 1: dapped up the guy that he was about to say
Speaker 1: hi to. So it's just even these kind of small
Speaker 1: ways that we narrate ourselves on screen that show we
Speaker 1: have a specific way that we present and that we
Speaker 1: looked at our actions and the way we do things
Speaker 1: and talk. It's beautiful when it tapped in, they tapped
Speaker 1: all the way in. And as we continue this conversation,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure too that we mentioned some
Speaker 1: of the names and the people who are writing these stories,
Speaker 1: like the Misia Greene, Tory, Halls of it All, the
Speaker 1: by Barry Jenkins, the d Reasons of it All. Like
Speaker 1: you just have to say, because it wasn't time where
Speaker 1: you felt like okay, Spike, like you said, Spike and Tyler,
Speaker 1: don't forget about black Lightning please. Yeah. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: family show. It was very very good. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. So shout out to Selina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. I love it. I love it. More of it, please, please,
Speaker 1: and more please. I will say this little I haven't
Speaker 1: void watching so much of our programming over the past
Speaker 1: few years. It just has been really good to my soul.
Speaker 1: And then just the constant rollout. It's like you know
Speaker 1: something that's coming and that has been wonderful. Even and
Speaker 1: you mentioned Barry Jenkers. He did this is he's the
Speaker 1: one who did also that Christmas movie, right, jingle Jangles?
Speaker 1: Did he do that? Who did jingle jan No? That
Speaker 1: was the why er hold on jingle Jangle? It was
Speaker 1: he did. He did uh a jingle Jangle? And like
Speaker 1: I said, just to be able to watch all of this,
Speaker 1: I mean, just like the wide and diverse amount of
Speaker 1: work that's out there has been a true, true pleasure
Speaker 1: from girlfriends insecure, It's happening, happening, and everybody in between. Listen,
Speaker 1: I mean me and something. You might not love them all,
Speaker 1: but at least you've got the choices you have. Be encouraged,
Speaker 1: be encouraged and also true all that at Robin thed too. Yes,
Speaker 1: black Ladies, Yes, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot,
Speaker 1: and still and still right, the Black Ladies Sketch Show.
Speaker 1: Oh and in Our Mother's Gardens if you want to
Speaker 1: check that out. Yes, you for an executive producer on that.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what is this? You even tell Joe Scott,
Speaker 1: Joan Scott, I don't tell everything, you really don't. So
Speaker 1: now I got to I got to go ahead and
Speaker 1: google this thing that's on Netflix. That's all she's gonna say.
Speaker 1: Is she gonna say, we need to watch it? But
Speaker 1: she ain't gonna tell us. Always lovely, it's so good,
Speaker 1: it's so lovely. It's so beautiful. Oh, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: the documentary with all the sisters and yeah, yeah, that thing.
Speaker 1: I watched it on Mother's Day. That thing good to
Speaker 1: meet you'all. I had to take it in us. But
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And sorry, it's the ray.
Speaker 1: It's all the ray. It's only distributed by It's distributed
Speaker 1: by Ray. Now. Originally it was an independent documentary as
Speaker 1: far as I know, But I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: her name because I didn't make creators, and I was
Speaker 1: like you, but look at Chill Scott making a way
Speaker 1: for other black creators to get their stuff out there.
Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, listen, it's such a pleasure. It's such
Speaker 1: a pleasure. And then know that there's such great work
Speaker 1: that's happening, like it's just a it's a joy to
Speaker 1: see it happening, Like oh yeah, come on, y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 1: This is for the two thousand twenty ones. Let's go. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. There's black gardeners. There's some black
Speaker 1: doctors and lawyers and scientists and astronauts and and jaccuzzy makers.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, we do win it all. I
Speaker 1: just want to see all the stories. Just give it
Speaker 1: all to me. Make me laugh, make me think, make
Speaker 1: we wonder, make me dream, you know, all of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing it whether you know you want to see
Speaker 1: it or not. You know, there are options because, like
Speaker 1: Aga always reminds, we are not a monolith. No, we
Speaker 1: we are interested in a bunch of different things. And
Speaker 1: I'm just grateful, thank you so much that there's options
Speaker 1: for us. And some of that hair is straightened, some
Speaker 1: of that hair ring, some of them, some of them chicks,
Speaker 1: light skins. I'm of a Maine you know, it's it's stories.
Speaker 1: God darn it. I want more. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for listening to Jay dot Ildepie cast with my sister
Speaker 1: friends Fly in St. Clair and Adria Grayton Danceler. Listen.
Speaker 1: The more you see, the more you dream. Keep your
Speaker 1: eyes on me. Come on, how do you eat an elephant?
Speaker 1: One by it time? Hey, everybody, producer E's here. If
Speaker 1: you haven't listened already, go back and listen to the
Speaker 1: previous episode of Jay dot Ill called We Want All
Speaker 1: the Black Stories, where the ladies get into the growth
Speaker 1: and expansiveness of black storytelling. All right, get out your
Speaker 1: pen and paper, your tablet, computer, whatever your device of choices,
Speaker 1: because I have a long list of writers and directors
Speaker 1: and shows and movies and filmmakers here. Okay, Deep Breath, Antebellum,
Speaker 1: get out them. Created by Little Marvin and ep by
Speaker 1: Lena Wait. Twelve Years of Slave, Django, Unchained Us, written
Speaker 1: and directed by Jordan Peel, The Falcon and The Winter Soldier,
Speaker 1: My Any's Black Bottom, Misha Green, Barry Jenkins, Coutry Hall,
Speaker 1: Black Lightning, Jingle Jangle, The Black Ladies Catch Show in
Speaker 1: Our Mother's Gardens, Octavia Butler's work and the Ladies also
Speaker 1: mentioned Pisa Butler and hashtag booked check them out on
Speaker 1: Instagram links. In the episode description, Hi, if you have
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Speaker 1: Eve Jeff Cope. The editing and sound design for this
Speaker 1: episode we're done by Christina Loranger. Okay, you gotta wrap
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