Speaker 1: As Fridayful Meet the Heart Kids as they appeared online.
Speaker 1: This is a family sing along Jen posted to YouTube
Speaker 1: back in two thousand thirteen. Davante is on the bongo drum,
Speaker 1: Abigail is holding a guitar but not playing, and Jeremiah
Speaker 1: is shaking a morocco while Hannah dances off to the side.
Speaker 1: They're in a sunny room with a gleaming wood floor,
Speaker 1: and the shelves behind them are packed with neatly stacked
Speaker 1: picture books. Happy times, right, It certainly looks that way,
Speaker 1: especially when Davante pauses to give Hannah a hug. Is
Speaker 1: it spontaneous or is the person behind the camera prompting
Speaker 1: him with a stern glance. We'll never know, yes, Zula,
Speaker 1: we don't know when Jen and Sarah Hart decided they
Speaker 1: wanted children. Maybe they always wanted to be moms, or
Speaker 1: maybe they just felt like kids were the next logical step.
Speaker 1: Years after they adopted six children, Sarah would tell a
Speaker 1: colleague that she wished she'd known it wasn't mandatory to
Speaker 1: have a big family. She was the oldest of four kids.
Speaker 1: Jen was the oldest of three. We're piecing together the
Speaker 1: events that led Jen and Sarah from their early days
Speaker 1: together all the way to the edge of that one
Speaker 1: d foot cliff in California. How did they go from
Speaker 1: being just the two of them living in Minnesota working
Speaker 1: at a department store to a family of eight in
Speaker 1: less than three years. From glamour and how Stuff Works,
Speaker 1: this is Broken Hearts. I'm Justine Harmon and I'm Liz Egan.
Speaker 1: We've been looking into the story of the Heart family
Speaker 1: for the past six months. In public and on Facebook.
Speaker 1: They looked like the perfect family, fun loving, joyful, and
Speaker 1: acky in the best way. But as we've learned, sometimes
Speaker 1: perfect is the perfect cover up. In two thousand four,
Speaker 1: when Jen and Sarah were in their mid twenties, still
Speaker 1: living in Alexandria, still working at Herburger's, they took in
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old foster daughter. Just to give some context,
Speaker 1: This was the same year Minnesota State Senator Michelle Bachman
Speaker 1: laid the groundwork for presidential run on an anti gay platform,
Speaker 1: calling homosexuality personal bondage, personal despair, and personal enslavement. When
Speaker 1: thousands gathered on the steps of the Capitol to rally
Speaker 1: for same sex marriage, she spoke out to a Christian
Speaker 1: television network, there's something that's happening in our schools. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I felt like I was
Speaker 1: called to take up this issue is because of the
Speaker 1: profound impact that this would have on every man, every woman,
Speaker 1: every child in the state of Minnesota. Because everyone thought
Speaker 1: this would only impact the one point three percent of
Speaker 1: our population that is the same sex individual. And again,
Speaker 1: don't misunderstand, I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals,
Speaker 1: who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgender. We
Speaker 1: need to have profound compassion for people who are dealing
Speaker 1: with a very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life.
Speaker 1: It's not funny, it's sad. It's part of satan. I
Speaker 1: think to say this is gay, it's anything but gay.
Speaker 1: So this is the backdrop for the world in which
Speaker 1: the Hearts started to build their family. You already met
Speaker 1: Jordan Smith. She was only nineteen when she worked with
Speaker 1: Jen and Sarah at her burgers our Field. Reporter Lawrence
Speaker 1: Smiley talked to Smith about Jen and Sarah's first foray
Speaker 1: into parenthood. They are one of my early role models
Speaker 1: for what like a non traditional family could look like.
Speaker 1: I was nineteen at the time. The foster child she
Speaker 1: was probably I remember one of them sharing with me
Speaker 1: a lot of like this girl is so difficult, she's awful,
Speaker 1: and that she was eating out of the garbage. It
Speaker 1: felt like mean girl gossip, you know, like she's the worst.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like they really had interests in developing
Speaker 1: her as a person and giving her the tools she
Speaker 1: needed to be a successful adult. And I just felt
Speaker 1: so sorry for the girl. I wasn't really old enough
Speaker 1: to realize that, like these are shitty parents, But even
Speaker 1: at the time, I just kind of was like, this
Speaker 1: was a child, she's struggling, Like something's not right about this,
Speaker 1: Like isn't it your job to make her feel more
Speaker 1: confident and encourage her to have healthy habits. But you know,
Speaker 1: I also grew up in the Midwest where I didn't
Speaker 1: see a lot of like great parental models happening. I
Speaker 1: grew up where people still hit their kids in the nineties,
Speaker 1: Like in the Midwest and Minnesota, you became parents are
Speaker 1: like one and let's be honest, you're you're immature, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: my brain is still developing until I and now I
Speaker 1: have to develop this other human instead of focusing my
Speaker 1: energy on you know, becoming the adults I need to become.
Speaker 1: Her burgers would have just like friends and family sale
Speaker 1: and all the makeup counters were filling the books with
Speaker 1: a lot of makeovers to like drama more business, and
Speaker 1: so Sarah and Jen signed their foster daughter up for
Speaker 1: one of the makeovers as kind of a let's bring
Speaker 1: you into our world a little bit, you know, like
Speaker 1: maybe this is something she would want to learn about.
Speaker 1: I was the only teenager working at the counters. They
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun to have her go with
Speaker 1: another teenage girl. So I did her makeover, and you know,
Speaker 1: i'd say things like she had really pretty skin, which
Speaker 1: she did, I remember that for some reason. And she
Speaker 1: was hunched over, like holding herself in. I could tell
Speaker 1: she did not want to be there. I remember Jen
Speaker 1: and Sarah, mostly Jen interrupting and answering questions or being
Speaker 1: like she doesn't talk much. I remember them being both
Speaker 1: very annoyed with the situation, like we came into work
Speaker 1: on a day we're not working and we're doing this
Speaker 1: nice thing and our boughter daughters being difficult and annoying it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember her being difficult are annoying. I remember
Speaker 1: her being very insecure and unsure of herself, and Jen
Speaker 1: being very intimidating. I didn't see a lot of empathy
Speaker 1: coming through, Like I remember that very clearly and being like, huh,
Speaker 1: do you feel sorry for this girl. After Jen and
Speaker 1: Sarah died in March, their former foster daughter told the
Speaker 1: Seattle Times that she never ate out of the garbage
Speaker 1: she remembered the makeover. She said she was a tomboy
Speaker 1: back then and never wore makeup, which would explain her
Speaker 1: slouched posture that day with Jordan's. The former foster daughter,
Speaker 1: now in her twenties and preferring to remain anonymous, also
Speaker 1: told the Seattle Times how she remembers Jen and Sarah
Speaker 1: showing her pictures of the three young children they were
Speaker 1: planning to adopt. She was thrilled. Jen and Sarah had
Speaker 1: told her she was going to stay with them until
Speaker 1: she turned eighteen, and now she was going to be
Speaker 1: a big sister. But that's not what happened. They were
Speaker 1: applying for the children, the first three. They had gone
Speaker 1: and visited them, and I remember them being really excited.
Speaker 1: I didn't apply like a lot of critical thinking to
Speaker 1: the situation at the time. I mean, like if I
Speaker 1: had my experience, now I'd be like, you don't seem
Speaker 1: very excited with the child you have, why do you
Speaker 1: want three more? But mostly I remember hearing it like
Speaker 1: after I left her Berger, I'd hear that, like Sara Engin,
Speaker 1: they got their three kids, like they're so happy. I
Speaker 1: remember vaguely hearing that they dropped the foster daughter off
Speaker 1: and like just abandoned her. And I remember being like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Cold blooded? Like, oh Jesus, there is
Speaker 1: their excitement about getting adopted kids. Did you get the
Speaker 1: sense they really wanted to be moms or I got
Speaker 1: the sense that they wanted the validation be a foster parent,
Speaker 1: didn't have the cloud of having children like they want
Speaker 1: to be like, we have children that are ours versus
Speaker 1: a child? Were watching and do you mean validation as
Speaker 1: in we're a real couple, We're a real you know,
Speaker 1: we're a real family. Jenet Sarah dropped their foster daughter
Speaker 1: at a therapist office and never returned. She never heard
Speaker 1: from them again. She was moved to a different foster home.
Speaker 1: Her belongings were already there. She would not become a
Speaker 1: big sister after all, She told the Seattle Times. She
Speaker 1: remembers feeling abandoned devastated. Two years later, in two thousand six,
Speaker 1: Jen and Sarah officially adopted those three siblings from the
Speaker 1: Texas foster system, Marcus then seven, Hannah four, and Abigail too.
Speaker 1: On December, in a Facebook post celebrating Abigail or Abby's
Speaker 1: twelfth birthday, Jen wrote, she was the first of my
Speaker 1: children I ever held in my arms. Not only is
Speaker 1: today her birthday, but it also marks the day Sarah
Speaker 1: and I became mothers. We flew to Houston, Texas ten
Speaker 1: years ago on Christmas Day to meet our first trio
Speaker 1: of children. Due to a plethora of issues that came
Speaker 1: up with our flight and then finding the hotel had
Speaker 1: burned down, we wouldn't meet the children until the next day, December.
Speaker 1: We walked into the foster home a bundle of nerves
Speaker 1: and excitement. The foster mother called Abby from the upper level.
Speaker 1: This dainty little peanut walked out, grabbed the railing, walked
Speaker 1: down the stairs, stood right at my feet, and held
Speaker 1: out her arms as a gesture to be picked up.
Speaker 1: I lifted her and she immediately nestled her head right
Speaker 1: into my chest, with her tiny arms gripped around me,
Speaker 1: genuine love oozed out of every pore of my body.
Speaker 1: I will never know what it's like to birtha child,
Speaker 1: or the feeling of holding your newborn for the first time,
Speaker 1: but I imagine the feeling is much like what I
Speaker 1: experienced with Abby. We'll get more into the adoption process, Leader,
Speaker 1: but just to give you some quick background, Marcus, Hannah,
Speaker 1: and Abigail fell into several categories that might have made
Speaker 1: them hard to place with adoptive families. They were black.
Speaker 1: Black children are overrepresented in foster care and less likely
Speaker 1: to be adopted out of it, and it can be
Speaker 1: more difficult to find families willing to take on multiple siblings.
Speaker 1: Jen and Sarah had their work cut out for them.
Speaker 1: They were young, they had no family in the area,
Speaker 1: and overnight they became mothers of three. Ten years later,
Speaker 1: on the anniversary of the day Jen and Sarah brought Marcus, Hannah,
Speaker 1: and Abigail home to Minnesota, Jen would revisit their first
Speaker 1: night as moms in a Facebook post. The post is
Speaker 1: accompanied by Jen's profile picture. Jen and Sarah hart cheeked
Speaker 1: to cheek, their faces mostly hidden behind big sunglasses. Here's
Speaker 1: what she writes, and bear with us. This is long,
Speaker 1: but we want to give you a sense of how
Speaker 1: much Jen really shared on Facebook. A different kind of
Speaker 1: Mother's Day, March third, two th six, with temperatures in
Speaker 1: the teens and an abundance of snow on the ground.
Speaker 1: I wondered what their reaction would be as we paced
Speaker 1: back and forth, peering out the front windows while clenching
Speaker 1: our phones in anticipation of their arrival. The three hour
Speaker 1: flight from Houston seemed like days. Nearly two years of
Speaker 1: our lives had been dedicated to making this moment a reality,
Speaker 1: and then bab parenthood times three. Jen continues the lengthy
Speaker 1: post with rumination on their first day as parents. All
Speaker 1: the challenges of a lesbian couple trying to break through
Speaker 1: barriers in a rural community in Minnesota just transformed into
Speaker 1: a story of hope and triumph. The social worker pulled
Speaker 1: up in a silver sedan and out came three little
Speaker 1: humans that gifted us with motherhood. My heart pounded with
Speaker 1: pure love and the strength of a million drums as
Speaker 1: we embraced and welcomed them to their home for the
Speaker 1: first time. To say this was an unforgettable day would
Speaker 1: be an enormous understatement. It was unforgettable in all the
Speaker 1: ways we weren't expecting. We had no idea what challenges
Speaker 1: we would be facing in the coming months years. I
Speaker 1: can't even begin to imagine what it would be like
Speaker 1: for a child that had lived their entire life with inconsistency, abuse,
Speaker 1: and neglect to be swooped twelve hundred miles away to
Speaker 1: a new place with the promise of this time it
Speaker 1: will be different. This is how the first twelve hours
Speaker 1: of motherhood was for us. The youngest urinated anywhere but
Speaker 1: the bathroom several times and fell down a flight of stairs,
Speaker 1: resulting in a bloody gash on her chin. The middle
Speaker 1: child pulled out chunks of hair and smeared feces on
Speaker 1: the wall and gorged herself with food until she started
Speaker 1: choking and needed the Heimlich, resulting in episodes of projectile vomiting.
Speaker 1: The oldest banged his head repetitively on a rock wall
Speaker 1: until we were able to safely restrain him. Blood was involved.
Speaker 1: This was a result of not giving him a king
Speaker 1: sized tutsie roll that he requested at nine pm. It
Speaker 1: took hours to calm him and get him to a
Speaker 1: place where we could leave him in his room to sleep.
Speaker 1: We were physically and mentally obliterated by this time. We
Speaker 1: went to be absolutely terrified as a million thoughts ran
Speaker 1: through our minds. As we drifted off to sleep, we
Speaker 1: were abruptly reminded that our day was far from over.
Speaker 1: Loud crashes, banging, and strange sounds slash voices from above
Speaker 1: us resulted in us sprinting upstairs to find the eldest
Speaker 1: in a closet. He told us he was possessed by
Speaker 1: demons as he growled, clawed, and spoke in multiple voices
Speaker 1: while continuing to thrash, bite, and bang his head on
Speaker 1: the wall. My heart was breaking and I was terrified.
Speaker 1: I was terrified for him, and it would be disingenuous
Speaker 1: if I didn't admit I was afraid of what he
Speaker 1: could do to others as well. Hours passed before we
Speaker 1: were able to get him to sleep. That night, just
Speaker 1: when it seemed like we could breathe again, the youngest
Speaker 1: had an asthma attack and stopped breathing. A one am
Speaker 1: e er visit followed. I didn't sleep at all for
Speaker 1: the first forty eight plus hours of parenthood. I cried
Speaker 1: a lot. What had we done? We had no experience
Speaker 1: with these kinds of things. We questioned everything. When the
Speaker 1: social worker called to check in after the first night,
Speaker 1: we related everything, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 1: Her response, just give them whatever they want. We were dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's the golden advice. In that moment, I
Speaker 1: knew what to do. We could not give up on
Speaker 1: these kids. Before we were matched with these children, they
Speaker 1: were going to be separated and adopted into two different families,
Speaker 1: with the oldest place in a residential treatment facility. How
Speaker 1: can a child even know what they want when they
Speaker 1: haven't ever been gifted with what they need? If not us,
Speaker 1: who at twenty five years old. We didn't have any
Speaker 1: parenting experience under our belts, but we had boatloads of love, compassion, intelligence,
Speaker 1: and the natural instincts to navigate these wild and uncharted waters.
Speaker 1: There was no way on earth we were going to
Speaker 1: toss these children back into an incredibly broken and abysmal
Speaker 1: foster care system. Here we are, one decade and three
Speaker 1: more kids later, ten years ago to day, we became
Speaker 1: mothers and began the grandest adventure of our lives. Through
Speaker 1: the spectrum of despair and utter joy, I give thanks
Speaker 1: to all of us who have joined this journey of
Speaker 1: the Hearts. Look what love can do. Come assist in
Speaker 1: writing the next chapter with us, Love, Love, Love. The
Speaker 1: adoption records for Marcus, Hannah, and Abigail are sealed, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to fact check Jen's claims of health or
Speaker 1: behavioral issues, but there is no evidence that Abigail, the youngest,
Speaker 1: had asthma. We also can't verify whether Marcus was going
Speaker 1: to be placed in residential treatment. The sibling Gen was
Speaker 1: referring to here may have been the older brother of
Speaker 1: the Davis Is the second set of siblings adopted by
Speaker 1: the Hearts kids Sarah and Jen hadn't even heard of
Speaker 1: back in two thousand six. Maybe Jenn, ten years later,
Speaker 1: was just getting the kids mixed up. There were six
Speaker 1: of them, after all. Every mom calls her kids by
Speaker 1: another kid's name at some point. But the night was
Speaker 1: so momentous for her. One can't help but wonder if
Speaker 1: she was going for drama over truth. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: if your mom posted something like this about you on Facebook? Remember,
Speaker 1: at this point, the Hard kids were teenagers. Marcus was seventeen,
Speaker 1: Hannah was fourteen, and Abigail was thirteen. Maybe they never
Speaker 1: saw their mom's Facebook posts, but if they did, they
Speaker 1: would have been old enough to be completely mortified. Janet
Speaker 1: Sarah must have gotten into the groove, because not long
Speaker 1: after they welcomed their first three kids, a picture of
Speaker 1: their new family of five appeared on an adoption agency website.
Speaker 1: They were smiling, everyone looked happy. This time, Jen and
Speaker 1: Sarah were seeking up to three more kids of any
Speaker 1: ethnicity up to eight years old. Two years later, in
Speaker 1: the spring of two thousand eight, they took in three
Speaker 1: more foster kids, five year old Davante and his younger siblings,
Speaker 1: Jeremiah four and Sierra three. The Davis siblings were also
Speaker 1: from Texas, and they'd been removed from their mother's home
Speaker 1: in Houston. According to court records, she was a crack
Speaker 1: cocaine abuser and was forbidden contact with the kids. The
Speaker 1: records showed that Jeremiah had tested positive for cocaine at birth,
Speaker 1: and the kid's mom had tested positive for cocaine after
Speaker 1: Sierra was born. They'd been living with their paternal aunt,
Speaker 1: Priscilla Celestine for five months. She'd moved from a three
Speaker 1: bedroom apartment to a five bedroom place to make room
Speaker 1: for them, but then one day, a CPS worker made
Speaker 1: a spontaneous visit to their aunt's home and found their
Speaker 1: mom babysitting. The consequences were swift. Davante, Jeremiah, and Sierra
Speaker 1: were removed from their aunt's home and put into foster care.
Speaker 1: Shaunda Jones, Celestine's attorney, says Celestine had been called into
Speaker 1: work for an extra shift a needed childcare in a pinch,
Speaker 1: She's trying to keep her job, so she scrambled for
Speaker 1: childcare and called their mom, who she says was clean
Speaker 1: at the time. Jones met the family ten years ago,
Speaker 1: but she still remembers their case. Here's how she described
Speaker 1: it to Lauren. The father's rights were being terminated because
Speaker 1: I think he had alcohol problems and the mother had
Speaker 1: drug problems, and so that's why their rights were terminated.
Speaker 1: Which I don't take issue with that in that instance,
Speaker 1: that was the prudent thing to do. But I always
Speaker 1: have taken issue within this case is the harsh manner
Speaker 1: in the way that they dealt with Miss Celestin. There
Speaker 1: was nothing in her background whatsoever, probably never even had
Speaker 1: as much as a driving ticket um And to this day,
Speaker 1: it just seems so strange, like I don't understand what
Speaker 1: is the rush. I do think that race is a
Speaker 1: part of thing. Absolutely. I think race is playing a part.
Speaker 1: You know, when people are sitting in the audience thinking that, okay, well,
Speaker 1: why did the judge just rule that way? Would think
Speaker 1: If I was trying to adopt a kid and you
Speaker 1: had a family member that wanted to adopt them, I
Speaker 1: personally would think that's great. Why should I try to
Speaker 1: interfere with the family member's adoption of their own family? Right?
Speaker 1: That should kind of like be a clue right there
Speaker 1: and there that this is a person you don't think
Speaker 1: can operate in the child's best interest. Let's pause here
Speaker 1: for a second on that point. Davante, Jeremiah, and Sierra
Speaker 1: hen and aunt who wanted them, She really wanted them,
Speaker 1: but instead they were sent to live with Jen and
Speaker 1: Sarah Hart, who were soon to be under investigation for
Speaker 1: child abuse. Yes, you heard that right. We'll get into
Speaker 1: more on that later, but first we want you to
Speaker 1: know a little more about the heart children, who they
Speaker 1: really were, as best as we can piece it together
Speaker 1: from Jim's Facebook posts and our conversations with people who
Speaker 1: knew them. First. There was Marcus, the one with the big,
Speaker 1: floppy hair. He loved to read and devoured Twilight in
Speaker 1: one sitting. He wanted to change the world one Christmas.
Speaker 1: According to his mom, he asked for a world without cancer.
Speaker 1: Hannah was the spunky one with a closed mouthed smile.
Speaker 1: Her front teeth were missing. Jen's Facebook post described her
Speaker 1: as dancing and singing. Once. She told her mom she
Speaker 1: couldn't concentrate on subtraction because she had a song stuck
Speaker 1: in her head. She must have been a courageous kid, too,
Speaker 1: because she would later jump out of her bedroom window
Speaker 1: and run to the neighbor's house task for help. Next
Speaker 1: up DeVante, whose face you might remember from a photo
Speaker 1: that went viral in two thousand fourteen. Davante was the
Speaker 1: boy hugging a cop tears streaming down his face. He
Speaker 1: was known for wearing a free hug sign wherever he went.
Speaker 1: He loved animals and hated Donald Trump. He appeared to
Speaker 1: have a special bond with Jen. He may have gotten
Speaker 1: special treatment as a result. Abigail known as Abby, had
Speaker 1: big brown eyes and glasses. She loved lime, green, yoga,
Speaker 1: and exploring the wilderness. She had a homemade strawberry shortcake
Speaker 1: on her birthday. All the Hard kids were arrestingly beautiful,
Speaker 1: but when you look at pictures of Abigail's face, you
Speaker 1: feel like you can see the elegant woman she might
Speaker 1: have grown up to be. Jeremiah wore glasses too. They
Speaker 1: called him the J Man. He was stoic. A survivor,
Speaker 1: Jen said he wasn't expected to live more than a
Speaker 1: few days when he was born, what with all the
Speaker 1: drugs coursing through his system. Instead, he made it to
Speaker 1: fourteen and last, but not least, there was Sierra. She
Speaker 1: was another animal lover. She adored her kitten, Sebastian and
Speaker 1: pulled him around the house in a cardboard box. In
Speaker 1: one of Jen's final Facebook pictures, we see her holding
Speaker 1: one of her brother's hands backs to the camera. She's
Speaker 1: wearing a bathing suit and her shoulder blades are so
Speaker 1: pronounced they look like little wings. In the past several months,
Speaker 1: Justine and I have seen hundreds of pictures of the
Speaker 1: Heart kids, but we only have a handful of recordings
Speaker 1: of their voices. Here's one from two thousand twelve. You
Speaker 1: can hear the kids giggling in the background, and Jen's
Speaker 1: voice as she hands Jeremiah and Earthworm. You're ready, Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I was excited? Try again? Can
Speaker 1: you try not to throw him this time like he's
Speaker 1: turning kids? Oh, maybe he loves you up next time?
Speaker 1: On Broken Hearts, Yeah, I see them. They're right over
Speaker 1: his head. I know it doesn't look like it, but
Speaker 1: that bird is really a dove asking us for world peace,
Speaker 1: no wars. When I say that Jen was good, she
Speaker 1: was good at the time, we're thinking, Wow, phenomenal parenting.
Speaker 1: You're not exploiting your children. We learned now that there
Speaker 1: was some abuse charges in Minnesota there fleeing to Oregon,
Speaker 1: so there's probably more of a reason why she didn't
Speaker 1: want to go on national TV. Have you seen John's Facebook?
Speaker 1: Jen loves Sarah to an insane degree. Broken Hearts is
Speaker 1: a joint production between Glamour and How Stuff Works, with
Speaker 1: new episodes dropping every Tuesday. Broken Hearts is co hosted
Speaker 1: and co written by Justine Harman and Elizabeth Egan and
Speaker 1: edited by Wendy Knockle. Lauren Smiley is our field reporter,
Speaker 1: Samantha Barry is Glamour's editor in chief, Julie Shen and
Speaker 1: Dianna Buckman head up the business side of this partnership.
Speaker 1: Joyce Pandola, Pat Singer and Luke Zeleski are a research team.
Speaker 1: Jason Hoke is executive producer on behalf of How Stuff Works,
Speaker 1: along with producers Julian Weller, ben Kiebrick, and Josh Thaine.
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Jen Lance. Have questions for us about
Speaker 1: this podcast, reach us on Twitter at Glamour mag for
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