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Speaker 1: last show at least this week until Giants and Falcons.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's Lanson Fiegels on Monday, because Paul and

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Speaker 1: I will be in Atlanta. Uh So we'll give you

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Speaker 1: a little preview the game today. We'll do it again

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Obviously, we'll take your calls at two one

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Speaker 1: nine four five one three Paul. The Giants injury report

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Speaker 1: about as clean as we've seen it um in a while.

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Speaker 1: It looks like everyone, according to coach Shermer, is expected

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Speaker 1: some question about is Russell Shephard uh He and Olivier

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Speaker 1: They're all working today. Red Ellison and Evan Ingram were

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Speaker 1: both practiced in full. So the Giants, aside from the

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Speaker 1: guys on I R obviously, you know very arms trunk

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Speaker 1: the fifty three that are active. Of course, obviously, since

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Speaker 1: the start of the season, they've lost some bodies to attrition,

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Speaker 1: but no one super major though, No, no, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: if the Giants are gonna dust themselves off and pick

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Speaker 1: got to be the week to do it, because you're

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Speaker 1: looking it at basically half a team with the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: much like earlier this year when the Saints were offensive heavy,

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Speaker 1: the Falcons offensive heavy. Well, I'm gonna throw out their

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Speaker 1: two paul. Their injury report is not empty. I mean

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Speaker 1: they are a mess right now. They lost three of

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Speaker 1: their best defensive players to injured reserve were Carlo Allen,

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Speaker 1: Kian O'Neill and Dion Jones were their best defenders, and

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Speaker 1: at least as of yesterday, neither Calvin Ridley nor Mohamed Sanu,

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Speaker 1: their second and third wide receivers, have practiced yet, coming

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Speaker 1: off of a hip for Sanu in an ankle for Ridley.

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Speaker 1: I did see a report though, and I can't remember

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Speaker 1: if it was an Atlanta Journal Constitution when or not

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Speaker 1: they said they thought that SNeW was probably a go,

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Speaker 1: they were going to be limited. Well, they're very important

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Speaker 1: because if they play double teaming Julio Jones becomes very

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Speaker 1: difficult because Calvin Ridley will destroy man on hand coverage,

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Speaker 1: who got placed on IR this week, being out, it'll

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Speaker 1: be Tevin Coleman and the little guy, Edo Smith. We

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Speaker 1: there's no William Andrews on this edition of the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 1: When he used to just grind out, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: He wasn't the biggest guy in the world. But he

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Speaker 1: the ball two thirds of the time, all right. Their

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Speaker 1: And Paul, I imagine when you watch the Falcons this week,

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Speaker 1: they figured out their red zone issues, their fourth in

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Speaker 1: because if you don't pressure Matt Ryan, he is going

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Speaker 1: Ryan is a much better quarterback at home in that

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Speaker 1: here's what we do know. We do know the Falcons

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Speaker 1: But the Falcons are a mess defensively. I mentioned the points.

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Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that in those three games, the Giants

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Speaker 1: offense was ultra conservative. They continue to just take what

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Speaker 1: the other team gave them, and they turned out spinning

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Speaker 1: their wheels. Charlie, this Atlanta team does not have an

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Speaker 1: intimid dating or a ferocious pass wrong. I will say this, though, Paul,

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Speaker 1: you better put them more than the eighteen points you

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Speaker 1: put up against New Orleans, because you're counting that is

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Speaker 1: one of the best offensive games. You better score more

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Speaker 1: than eighteen points. I think I think they better. They

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Speaker 1: moved the ball pretty effectively against New Orleans, and I

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Speaker 1: think they got jobbed on some certain things that went

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Speaker 1: badly against them. But my point to you is this,

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Speaker 1: this is a team that should not intimidate you walking

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Speaker 1: into their building. Of course, not anyway, go ahead, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think the Giants should be confident,

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Speaker 1: and they should open it up and be aggressive and

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Speaker 1: take what they want from the Falcons and mass protect

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Speaker 1: if they have to on third down. You know, you

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Speaker 1: give you gas. Was just when I was listening to

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Speaker 1: you guys the other day, Paul Swots was right on.

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Speaker 1: He said the exactly thing that I talked to you about,

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Speaker 1: John is mass protect bringing a jumble line and bringing

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Speaker 1: a fullback to give three seconds to get the ball. Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I've watched, Charlie, I've watched the tape. They've tried to

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Speaker 1: max protect. It hasn't worked. They had they didn't have

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Speaker 1: the right, Charlie. They should not have to mass protect.

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Speaker 1: They should not have to max protect against the falcons.

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Speaker 1: Let last trolly last week. Last week, they mass protected

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Speaker 1: on a play Michael Bennett blewe blind Nate Solder and

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Speaker 1: had a sack in about a second and a half.

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Speaker 1: That's not about personnel. That's about Nate Solder taking care

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Speaker 1: of his guy. And there was another play where they

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Speaker 1: had three players get beat by one on a play

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Speaker 1: action pass and Odell Beckham would have had an ad

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Speaker 1: R touchdown. It was really bad and three players got

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Speaker 1: onto the backfield. There's a play action pass. They had

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Speaker 1: two tight ends in. They max protected with eight guys

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Speaker 1: and only send two receivers into a route. Both outside

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Speaker 1: receivers ran double moves. Odell Beckham Jr. Was wide open,

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Speaker 1: Eli faked a handoff, turned around and at the run

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Speaker 1: for his life because three Eagles trolie. They were rushing

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Speaker 1: four guys against seven, and these three guys got in.

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Speaker 1: You I think that's not possible. Watch the tape it happened.

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Speaker 1: I swear to God, Charlie what you said they had

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Speaker 1: tight ends in there. That makes a difference. One guy

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Speaker 1: is not changing three guys. Here. Here's the thing, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Some of its philosophy. And again I I come from

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Speaker 1: the Tony Soprano philosophy, and that is take what I

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Speaker 1: want and and and that's what they need to do that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they need to do that, Absolutely, they need to do that.

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Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. How about telling each one

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Speaker 1: of those guys up front, when you have a responsibility

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Speaker 1: beat your man. Just go beat your man. And if

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Speaker 1: it means I gotta slam your fingers in the door

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Speaker 1: before kickoff, the kitchen ticked off, maybe that's what I

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Speaker 1: need to do, because we want you to go out

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Speaker 1: there and beat your man exactly. Hey, I want to

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Speaker 1: make one prediction. Eric Flowers has three uh holding penalties

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Speaker 1: with Jactionville this week. Well, you're assuming he's gonna start.

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Speaker 1: They said he was really there. They're trying to get

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Speaker 1: him ready to start. They put him in the right

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Speaker 1: tackle came. He's supposed to be the fourth starting left

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Speaker 1: tackle of their season. Charlie. You know, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: called and brought that up, though, because you are the

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Speaker 1: poster child for calling up every single left tackling creation

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Speaker 1: to bring them into the building. Right you you're that

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Speaker 1: guy self proclaimed. Come on, give me a credit. Right,

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Speaker 1: here's the problem. Here's the problem. If the tackle pool

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Speaker 1: is as good as you think it is, and there's

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Speaker 1: some diamond in the rough out there, why did the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars immediately call Eric Flowers and sign him after

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Speaker 1: you've already proclaimed him to be the worst left tackle

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Speaker 1: in God's creation? So what does that say about the pool?

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Speaker 1: And uh coches, Uh, they're glutton for punished man? What

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Speaker 1: it is or something? Thank you blackmailing? Then? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, have a good weekend. That's an excellent point.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point. I mean it's hard to argue.

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Speaker 1: We want to remind you that Big Book Golf Life

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Speaker 1: apt to an Amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. Well,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it, so I want to get into a

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Speaker 1: real quick before we get to the next called coach

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Speaker 1: Marvin Europe. Next, Uh, the Falcon's pass rush, just to

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Speaker 1: give fans the idea of what they're throwing at the

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Speaker 1: Giants here. Uh. The guy rushing is the guy that

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Speaker 1: rushes off of right defensive ends over Nate Soldier will

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Speaker 1: be Vick Beasley. Uh eighth overall pick back in twenty

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Speaker 1: teen or sixteen four years definitely, it definitely wasn't fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Um eighth overall picking boy, he has not lived up

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Speaker 1: to where they thought I was gonna be. Uh. He's

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Speaker 1: one of these guys. Is a little light in the butt.

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Speaker 1: One sack, six tackles this year. Right, Yeah, he's only

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Speaker 1: about two forty five pounds and he oh he has

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Speaker 1: one move speed to our around the edge, nothing else. Um.

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Speaker 1: The guy you should the two guys you should worry

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Speaker 1: a little bit about. Um is to cars McKinley whole

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Speaker 1: line up over Chad Wheeler. He has five quarterback sacks

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Speaker 1: this year. Um, they will run him on some stunts

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Speaker 1: and some twist. He's a good little power bullrush move

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Speaker 1: and he can get around the edge. He's he's a

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Speaker 1: he's an ascending solid play. He's solid. But he's on

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Speaker 1: his second year too, and he was a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: So he's getting better. And then the guy who's probably

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Speaker 1: coming back this week is Graty Jarrett. Now he's the

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Speaker 1: guy who gotta worry about. He's not quite the Fletcher

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Speaker 1: Cox level defensive tackle. But no, right, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting him on the iroon Donald Fletcher Cox, Jon he's

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Speaker 1: a really good I'm putting him on the tier right

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Speaker 1: below that. But there's he's still really really good. Um,

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Speaker 1: he can stop the run. He has good power in there,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to get him on Patrick O. Mammy,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure no. Mommy is gonna to take care of business.

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Speaker 1: So if you worry about protecting you Lie Manning in

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Speaker 1: this game, and like Paul said, this is not a

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Speaker 1: fearsome pass rush. You should be able to give you

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Speaker 1: Lie enough time to succeed in this game. Look at

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Speaker 1: the right side of that off ends of whine when

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Speaker 1: McKinley is coming from and where Jarrett's coming from. Because

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Speaker 1: those two guys are good players. We'll see if the

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Speaker 1: Giants can protect against him. Can I offer you an option? Sure?

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Speaker 1: When the Giants signed Perry off the Cardinals practice squad,

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Speaker 1: they said that he was known as a really good

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Speaker 1: blocking fullback. Um, we've hardly seen him, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's because he hasn't picked up the playbook

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Speaker 1: or because they just didn't have anything in the scheme

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Speaker 1: that they felt a fit his his talents. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, I would not have a problem with throwing

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Speaker 1: him in there a little bit and just seeing if

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Speaker 1: he can help pass pro because we've seen the Giants

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Speaker 1: tight ends have a lot of trouble this year. Does

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Speaker 1: not name or at Ellison, Okay, yeah, but as a whole,

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Speaker 1: the Giants tight ends as a whole have not really

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Speaker 1: blocked very well. And Barkley's had a couple of misses

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Speaker 1: too along the way. Yeah, well, you know why he

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Speaker 1: tries to cut guys. He does try to. You cannot

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Speaker 1: be he's always he's in the right spot. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he'll just not because there are defenders who will step

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Speaker 1: over you correct and he's learning that. I think now

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Speaker 1: maybe in college they didn't do that well. I think

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Speaker 1: the guys in the NFL probably watched tape a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, and when you're anticipating the cut, it's a

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Speaker 1: lot easier to avoid it. So my point is, you

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Speaker 1: know what, the one thing that Giants haven't tried and

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Speaker 1: many of their past protection schemes this point to this point,

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Speaker 1: and of course several have not worked out well. Is Perry.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind giving him a try. You just don't

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Speaker 1: want to replay of what Chane Smith did against you,

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Speaker 1: still against Dallas. I'm sorry Dallas, but I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Perry came with a rep to do it. So you

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Speaker 1: know what if he's if he can help out a

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Speaker 1: little bit on third down and maybe provide that block

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Speaker 1: or that chip and pick up so and so. Maybe

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Speaker 1: until we see him try, I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: can do it five on three. Coach Marvin is up next?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Coachybody? Hey? Um, I'm hoping that they played well.

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Speaker 1: I hate to see the offense don't put up points

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Speaker 1: against this defense, and they don't. I can imagine what

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Speaker 1: the call is gonna be like next week. But one

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Speaker 1: thing Atlanta does have. They have a sending offense and

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Speaker 1: the capability of scoring from any points on the field.

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Speaker 1: But this season, I don't know if you guys have

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Speaker 1: to start, but I'm sure you can get him. They

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Speaker 1: haven't done well in the Red song mm hmm. If

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Speaker 1: we can get them to drive and if they do.

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Speaker 1: If they are going to make a drive, make them

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Speaker 1: go the long route to where they got to get

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Speaker 1: into that ridge. Don't they get points? They don't get

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Speaker 1: old touchdowns. Their fourth in touchdown percentage in the red

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Speaker 1: zone this year. That's right. And Julio Jones, I believe

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Speaker 1: only have I think he got no none, He's got none, no,

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Speaker 1: but no, but coach mort coach. That was a problem

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Speaker 1: from last year. Since that first week of the regular

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Speaker 1: season against the Eagles, the Falcons have improved mightily in

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Speaker 1: terms of red zone scoring touchdown wise, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot better now. Okay, Um. The other thing I wanted

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Speaker 1: to address was when people talking about the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and and and a lot of teams are talking about

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Speaker 1: offensive line play. And that's because, as I said last year,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not in the college games. There's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of offensive lineman's being taught the way they're playing

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And that's the problem that to having

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Speaker 1: finding guys to play. It's because the numbers are very small,

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Speaker 1: and where you can find schools that are planned with

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Speaker 1: the offensive lineman's hands in the ground, and and that's

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Speaker 1: that's the problem. I think that's the part Charlie's not

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Speaker 1: getting right, so hard and difficult for teams to find,

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Speaker 1: you guys, because they're not really being taught. And you

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Speaker 1: know why, Coach Marvin, We've discussed this before too, because

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Speaker 1: the n c Double A coaches are in the business

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Speaker 1: of winning games, getting booster money, getting sponsorship money. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're not in the business of technically producing pro prospects.

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Speaker 1: That's not their job. It's their job to win games,

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Speaker 1: and they'll do whatever they need to do to win

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Speaker 1: a game. They're not there necessarily to help some guy

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Speaker 1: have an NFL career. I agree with that they put

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Speaker 1: that out. That's what they're in the winning games, and

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Speaker 1: that's the and that's the sad is that think you

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Speaker 1: mean they're establishment to where they're supposed to be teaching

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Speaker 1: these guys to be young men's and be successful as

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Speaker 1: they leave the school. So I understand what they say,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't agree with it. It's like when

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Speaker 1: I coach, I'm coaching them not just to play football,

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Speaker 1: but I'm coaching them to be good people off the

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Speaker 1: field and on the field, and I think people are

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Speaker 1: missing that when they are teaching the game. That's why

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Speaker 1: I said earlier this week. My motto is winning is

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Speaker 1: not everything, wanting to is and and when you want

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Speaker 1: to win at ball cost, you'll do whatever it takes

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Speaker 1: to win those games and at the cost of the players.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the part that's been missed throughout

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Speaker 1: in UM, probably in the NFL. But interesting that we

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Speaker 1: have this discussion, Marvin, and I'll leave you with this thought.

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Speaker 1: I know John wants to get to the red zone

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00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: number in just a second, but that's one of the

639
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: reasons why you will see a lot of teams, specifically

640
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: UH favor certain conferences in certain programs when they go

641
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: into the draft because they're like, okay, wait a minute,

642
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: those guys play a pro style. Well, those guys have

643
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: a former NFL coach coaching those defensive backs, Notre Dame

644
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: for example. Offensive line, yes, and it's a big deal. Yeah,

645
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: no question in Alabama. And and so you know there's

646
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: a reason why teams will do that because it's like,

647
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: thank you, Okay, they got a better chance of helping

648
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: us out in the pros because of the program that

649
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: came from. Appreciate the CA coach. Well one more, one

650
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: more thing. Yeah, so everybody knows that two names that

651
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: caused the Giants problems on the offensive line. I don't

652
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: know if anybody realized those names, and those two names

653
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: of is Sheriff and Tomsl. I think fact that those drafts,

654
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Shariff went to Washington just before the Giants picked. They

655
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: was called to pick Flowers because management wanted them to

656
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: address that office. Well. But by the way, just just

657
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: just for the record, it wasn't right before the Giants picked.

658
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: It was like seven picks before the Giants day. He

659
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: went really high. I wanted him to Marvin, but he

660
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: went way too high for the Giants. I'm just saying

661
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: that that's when Nate it wasn't the offensive lineman. I

662
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: don't believe another offensive lineman was picked before Flowers. That's

663
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: why I said it was just before the Flowers picked.

664
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: This Sherriff and Tomsl was a domino effect where where

665
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: we wanted the offensive lineman, but that year we wanted

666
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: a clean player coming out of the draft, which that

667
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: clean player became apple Um. But that console videos the

668
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Giants as far as who they wanted to draft. Coach

669
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: Tonsol And look, I was on board for him originally too,

670
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: but then I understood that you know, the baggage was

671
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: an issue, and you can't argue with that. But you

672
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: know what, he hasn't been a great tackle for the Dolphins.

673
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: They had to move in the guard and only now

674
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: is he playing pretty good as a guard. Well. I

675
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: had actually put him back at tackle this year. Back again.

676
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: He's there starting left tackle this alright, so he's back again.

677
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: But he's not a top tackle. Tho bad, He's not

678
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: the one I was looking at Tonso was the one

679
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: that was supposed to get first, the first tackle to

680
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: come off the board. Correct, Yeah, Tons, that's that's what

681
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. When I'm staying. A domino effect happened

682
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: with all the other tackles. Video came out. He tumbled,

683
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: everybody else moved up, which meant the Giants blows out

684
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: because where yeah, I hear you, thank you. I'm not

685
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: sure anybody jumped up that the Giants, I'm not sure.

686
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: You know. All I will say to him is and

687
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: John you you know this sheriff uh Zack Martin, uh Conklin.

688
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: These these were all Conlin. Conklin was the killer that

689
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: was Titans traded the Giants to get him. That was

690
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the one that really broke my heart when when they

691
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: lost Conklin. But these these are all guys, These were

692
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: all guys that I was screaming for. I mean, you know,

693
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, I you know how I feel about the trenches.

694
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: And you know, there were plenty of really good guys

695
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: in the last five or six years. Stanley too, he

696
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: was you know. Mc glinchy was another guy, although again

697
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: he was about ten picks ahead of week yeah. Yeah,

698
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: And and we also knew, we also knew he was

699
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: never going to come around in the second round, thank goodness. Well,

700
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: Hernandez went, you know, thank goodness for that. Glinchy went ninth, right,

701
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and the Giants and obviously the John second,

702
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: and then they pick again to you know, thirty four.

703
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: But but but you know, here's the bottom line. Uh,

704
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: if you look at the course of the last six

705
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: or seven drafts, um each one of those drafts produced

706
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: how many blue chip linemen too? Yeah? Not a lot,

707
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, no, per year, maybe two. Taylor Decker has

708
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: honestly been a bit of a disappointment, I think for

709
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the try I agree with that. So, I mean, again,

710
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: the darth of offensive lineman coming out of college has

711
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: really hurt the pro game. There's no question again you

712
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: can find guards, but tackles, it's it's hard, especially TAS's

713
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: hard centers to two four, five, one three. Back to

714
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: the phone, Let's go to Josean Orlando. Jose what's up, hey, fellas,

715
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: how are you guys doing today? What somebody? Paillia and

716
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Johnny guys are great? Thank you? H So you know

717
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: what a couple of things that you guys were mentioning about,

718
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, um, Atlanta's defensive line and and Greg Beasley

719
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: not being good. And I agree with you on that, um.

720
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: But I also as just as a word of caution,

721
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean Vic Beasley's he's lining up against Wheeler, isn't

722
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: he Because he's lining up on the left side. They

723
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: basically will line up on the right side of the

724
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: defensive line against Soldier. McKinley will primarily be on the

725
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: left side of the defensive line against Wheeler. So that's

726
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: even okay because I'll tell you what I know, Big Beasley,

727
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: but pack McKinley, I think he can He has a

728
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: better upside to me as far as being up against Wheeler.

729
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: The main the main thing that I'm I'm more concerned

730
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: about is, you know, they got to get the ball

731
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: out and stuff like that is just making dumb mistakes.

732
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: We gotta make sure we don't make any mistakes as

733
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: far as holding penalties when we're starting to drive second

734
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: and twenty, you know, a third and long. We gotta

735
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: get out of that down in distance and make sure

736
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: we we do that well with that. Yeah, and you

737
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: know what he was, You're absolutely right. I just want

738
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: to jump in for a second. Big negative plays in

739
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: this game is the one thing that can stop the

740
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Giants offense from scoring. Whether it's obviously turnovers, which is

741
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: the ultimate negative play, or offensive holding penalties or you know,

742
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: runs for minus four or five yards, sacks. That's how

743
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: the Giants struggle this game offensively. If they do, it's

744
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna be from self inflicted type of mistakes. And you're right,

745
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: they have to avoid them at all costs. And I'll

746
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: just piggyback off of that and say there's one thing,

747
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: if it really happens often, the Giants are gonna be

748
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: golden first down You mentioned that, John, The Falcons are

749
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: terrible first down defense, terrible first down defense. The Giants

750
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: have been terrible first down offense. Okay, if the Giants

751
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: can turn that around to their advantage, and they can

752
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: make plays on first down. Be aggressive on first down,

753
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: go for some blood on first down, get the ball

754
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: down field, make big plays on first down. You don't

755
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: want to grind it out this game, poly Dots. I

756
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: want to be able to use the past to open

757
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: up the run. I'm going to reverse is philosophy. So

758
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: you're going to my philosophy against the Saints. Well, I

759
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: don't want to just wing it all day, but I

760
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: do want it that. I do want to open it

761
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: up with the past. First on first down, because that's

762
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: where the Falcons are really weak. And if you want

763
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: to kind of half half and half this thing and

764
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: say we're gonna take what the defense is gonna give us,

765
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: they'll give you first down, so take that and then say, okay,

766
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: now that we got that from you, now we're gonna

767
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: take what we want on the rest of the series.

768
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of going half. I hear you with

769
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: that body, but I'll tell you what. In order for

770
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: us to get downfield yards, you gotta give him time

771
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: and and hopefully we'll give them time. We'll see what happens.

772
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I think I think the matchup between TOC McKinley and

773
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Wheeler is gonna be okay, you win this one play. Now,

774
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win this one play. And the key tho

775
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: it is we can't We just we just can't hold them.

776
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: We can't hold them. We can't make any mental mistakes. Um.

777
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I heard, and I'm getting ready to go. I heard

778
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: coaches talking about offensive linement and you guys are right.

779
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: It's not easy to find offensive line coming out of college,

780
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: especially now. A lot of colleges, uh, like you said,

781
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: John about you know, it depends on the office. They run.

782
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: A lot of the colleges now they're running that spread

783
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of the tackles an offensive lineman aren't

784
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: built to run block as much or they do r

785
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: pos what's completely different, like pull back down there and

786
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: grinding out. But they are a couple of tackles coming

787
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: out of college next year. Keep in mind there's a

788
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: guy from Wisconsin, David Edwards, Wisconsin is an offensive lineman

789
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: college kind of like pense date was lacked for you

790
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: back into yeah in Iowa. But watch this kid, David

791
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Edwards from from Wisconsin. He's about six seventh, three fifteen

792
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: decent offensive lineman blocks well stays at his path level,

793
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: which is you know how they coach him up. The

794
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: offensive line coach at Wisconsin is awesome, he's been there

795
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: for years. And then you know, you got a couple

796
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: of guys coming out from Old Men's in Alabama that

797
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: are pretty decent um. And then there's another guy, Trey

798
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Adams coming out of Washington. He's good. The only thing

799
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: about out of that scares me coming out of Washington

800
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: is that that's the spread school and they really don't

801
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: run the ball that much. So any anytime there's an

802
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: offensive tackle coming out of a spread school, I get

803
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of nervous. But that's all I want to say. Guys,

804
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: you know what this is it? I mean, I know

805
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I said that last week, but this is truly it.

806
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: We can't turn it around this week. We can't turn

807
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: around this week against that against his defense. Then I

808
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna I just gotta throw you gotta

809
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: throw your hands up in the air and be like

810
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: my own. That's it, you know. Thank you, Jose Alright, guys,

811
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: have a great week, man, enjoy itself. Be safe out

812
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: there in Atlanti. Youtub buddy, take it easy and look,

813
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: this is a big offensive line defensive line draft from

814
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: what I've seen so far based on what a lot

815
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote experts are saying. Um, I know,

816
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I know a couple of the top defensive lineman names

817
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: he had, Oliver's and Nick Poses. Um. I have not

818
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: done a lot of work on the offensive lineman coming out,

819
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: but there are supposed to be a few offensive tackles,

820
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: um that could be top ten, top fifteen picks in

821
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: a draft. So something to keep an eye. Well, look

822
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: at some of the programs. I'm looking at CBS Sports

823
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: right now and their list of the overall prospects, and

824
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: they have one, two, three, four, five, six offensive tackles

825
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: in their top fifty prospects for the draft. And you're

826
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about schools like Alabama, oh Ms, Wisconsin, Clemson. Even

827
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: Bobby Evans from Oklahoma is listed is the fifty six

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: best prospect in the draft. Those are some schools that

829
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: you know they produced some big time player. You know,

830
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: if anyone in the top ten anymore, I guess things

831
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: have changed since the start of the year. When they're

832
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams from Alabama's the top guy at sixteen, only

833
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: three oh one. That's not not the heaviest in the world,

834
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: but at six five, he's got some room to add

835
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: some weight. Yeah, you know, maybe at the start of

836
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: the year. And again I'm just you're going off preseason list. Well,

837
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know when CBS put this list out. There's

838
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: no date on it, so I don't know where it is.

839
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure they updated throughout, but I think before the

840
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: season I saw a two top fifteen offensive line in

841
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: now the just like one. So again, things changed throughout

842
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: the year. It's gonna h go next to New Jersey.

843
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: You go, hey, guys, But actually they're doing a great

844
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: job as always. Um geez. I guess it's never too

845
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: early to start talking craft. But I got, you know,

846
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: have the lease fall off the tree before before we

847
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: have that start having those conversations. Yeah, I'm with you. Hey, uh.

848
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that Paul mentioned the full back

849
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: early and were earlier in the conversation. And you know,

850
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the Giants are only carrying two running backs on the

851
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster. So the question I had for

852
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: you is this guy at first of poll fullback who

853
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: can also run the boards eat just a traditional blocker

854
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously we love Barkley and uh and

855
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Gallman is a great back up. I think I think

856
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys gets nicked up. I mean, the

857
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: whole running backload goes to the other guy. There's uh.

858
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of an odd construct. I can't

859
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: remember the last time the Giants only carried two running

860
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: backs on the fifty three man. No, you're right. We

861
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: were told when they when they grabbed him that he

862
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: was a blocker and when he had good hands, because

863
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer makes a very strong point that all of

864
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: his fullbacks have to be able to catch the ball. Now,

865
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: outside of that, I don't know anything else about him

866
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: other than we've seen him out of practice. It has

867
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: done some things, but I've never seen him really featured

868
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: in practice. Yeah, I just hope that just carrying two

869
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: running backs is not a signal of a philosophical bent

870
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: or a lack of commitment to the running game. That's

871
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: that's my only my only figure, because I think we

872
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: got to get this run game going. Elijah Penn a

873
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: lot by the Lajah. Elijah Penny, by the way, last

874
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: year thirty one rushes a hundred and twenty four yards,

875
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: So we can't call not bad. Yeah, that's not bad.

876
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Hey, another question I have for you,

877
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: and I think you guys, you know, nailed it. I mean,

878
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: this is a winnable game. I think when we first

879
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: looked at the schedule for the year, we said this

880
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: is going to be a tough one. But uh, you know,

881
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Atlanta's clearly undermanned due to injuries. It would be a

882
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: real disappointment I think if they don't win, but you know,

883
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: we I think the I think analytical similarities are if

884
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: we're going to take another team, would be the New

885
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints, right so, and it's the South team can

886
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: move the ball on offense, and at least going into

887
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: the game, we played with New Orleans. New Orleans at

888
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: a week defense. Now, I would expect that Atlanta's approached

889
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: the game would be to play the same type of

890
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: defense that that New Orleans played, you know, soft shell,

891
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: double dell and so. And we've had, you know, we've

892
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: had We've been facing that type of defense for a

893
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: long time. So I guess the question for you guys

894
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: is how do we counter on offense so we don't

895
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: get the same results we had in the New Orleans

896
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: game and only score well, well you don't. Here's the thing,

897
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: you go. I'm not sure the Falcons are going to

898
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: show that they've played man to man defense and actually

899
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: fair amount this year, and they did it against the Bucks,

900
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: they did it against the Steelers, two teams that have

901
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: good receiving corps. So, um, I think it would be

902
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: a great thing for the Giants offense if the Falcons

903
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: came out in man. You saw the Giants offense operated

904
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: when the Texans tried to play them in man to

905
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: man this year, so I think that would be really helpful. Um.

906
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: They're generally a single high safety team. They will occasionally

907
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: play too deep man under which you saw more against

908
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: Tampa when they played them, where the two safeties play

909
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: deep and everyone plays man and you've got help over

910
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: the top. Um. I would think we're not going to

911
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: see that as much in this game because they don't

912
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: want see Kwan Barako to run down their throats. So

913
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: my guess is you're gonna see primarily Cover three with

914
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: single high safety back and they'll bring the other safety

915
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: up to help out in the box against the running game.

916
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: That's what I think the Giants will see. Um. I'm

917
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: just don't think you're gonna see a lot of that

918
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: too high stuff because they're tackling and run defense has

919
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: been so poor. I don't think they trust themselves to

920
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: stop Barkley with only six or seven guys in the box.

921
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: It's not not really what's in their d n A.

922
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: It's not what they do. They're a single high team,

923
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: and I think that they'll play into the Giants hands

924
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: in that regard. By the way, um, I should tell

925
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: you that Elijah Penny last year I ran for over

926
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: eleven hundred yards with ten touchdowns and four point seven

927
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: per carry average. Not last year, but his last year

928
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: in Contege when he was a senior. When he was

929
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: a senior, Yeah, at Idaho. Uh so, so he obviously

930
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: proved he could run the ball in the Sun Belt Conference.

931
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: Now that's not the NFL. But but I did want

932
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: at least give you those numbers. Hey, you know that's

933
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's pretty impressive. I mean we may have

934
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: something in this. I don't I don't know about that.

935
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: I mean remember now, Yeah, and and really, if you

936
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: want to put him on the field as a half back,

937
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: that means you're taking Barkley or that's not a good idea,

938
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: but I mean maybe you know, lining up in an

939
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: eye and just some sweet passed to him as well.

940
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, Hugo, we'll see thank good stuff. We want

941
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: to remind you that big Looking off Live is presented

942
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943
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944
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: we have a couple of lines, folks, if you want

945
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: to give us a call. We got ten minutes. I

946
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: can probably squeeze two three if we're quick, calls in

947
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: before we get to two thirties. So it's two O

948
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: nine four or five on three. Hashtag giants chat on

949
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Twitter if you want to get in that way you can.

950
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: And you know the falcon that they were interesting, Paul,

951
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: do you have a tweet for us? Yeah? Actually, uh,

952
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: there there are a couple here. Um guy asking about

953
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer's offense saying he believes that it works when

954
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: it's called and that the offensive line and Manning's lack

955
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: of mobility are really the reasons the receivers can't run

956
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: the routes and it kind of uh doesn't fit in

957
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: with Shermer's offense. Um, I kind of disagree with that

958
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: because we've seen Pat Shermer's offense in Minnesota, and he

959
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: took a lot more shots down field john he also

960
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: balanced out a much more favorable running attack with by

961
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: the way Cook injured after first month of the season,

962
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: Kirk was out and so without him they continued to

963
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: run the ball over forty of the time. So, in

964
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't know that we've really seen the

965
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: offense that Pat Shermer had advertised when he came to

966
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: the Giants, because they're not running the ball at all,

967
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: and they're also not taking any shots down field. Now

968
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: that's because they're playing the percentages and they're taking with

969
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: the defense will give them. But I think that's because

970
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: that that the philosophy has been altered by what they've

971
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: seen and and also what what what the Giants have

972
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: put on the field and on tape. Um, So I disagree.

973
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that Shermer's offense has been here and

974
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: they haven't executed it. I don't think he's really running

975
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: the offense that he wants to run. I don't think so.

976
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Maybe I could be wrong, and I've never asked him

977
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: that directly, but if you watch the plays they're running

978
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: this year, They're not resembling much of what Minnesota ran

979
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: last year at all. They're just not that was a

980
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: much more attacking team. Now. The one thing, I think

981
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: some of the route combinations are similar and that sort

982
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: of thing. But I'm just not sure that he has

983
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: the confidence in this group to protect the he needs

984
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: to write. That's fair. But but here's the thing that

985
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: I will say. We have certainly seen more double tight

986
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: ends out of the Giants this year, and that was

987
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: a Shermer thing. And we have also seen on occasion

988
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: some rolling pocket yes, and and that was a Shermer thing.

989
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: So those are the two characteristics that I can identify

990
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: in terms of Thurmer's Shermer's thumb print on this offense.

991
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: But other than that and more play action than last year,

992
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: allergic to it. I'm just to be fair. I'm just

993
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: telling you what's different A little bit, A little bit

994
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: but not a ton no. But it's certainly more than

995
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: what we saw here the last Here here's what I'm

996
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna say. You guys know this, and I preached it

997
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: for a long time. You gotta wait four games into

998
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the season to find out what your team is, Okay,

999
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get get away from that. That's

1000
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: a that's a good philosophy. Bill Pollian stated it, and

1001
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: I believe it. But here's the problem. I honestly don't think,

1002
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: for various reasons, we have truly seen what Shermer wanted

1003
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: to bring to the table offensively, and I don't think

1004
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: we truly have seen what Betcher wanted to bring to

1005
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: the table defensively, and that on that side of the coin,

1006
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon was going to be a huge component of

1007
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: that playbook, and when he missed the first five games

1008
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: of the season, that really inhibited what Betcher wanted to do. Yeah. See,

1009
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I believe that, because why would

1010
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: Vernon's presence affect how much you want to blitz? Oh,

1011
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: that's that's that's an easy one. No, But that's the secondary.

1012
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: You're worried about the secondary. When you're thinking about blitz,

1013
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: you're not worried about who's on your defensive because because

1014
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: unlike many blitz packages, which are designed to get a

1015
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: man free, they want to outnumber you and get the

1016
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: man free and think that the man is gonna get home.

1017
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: That just blitz packages are totally designed in a different way.

1018
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: His blitz packages are designed to isolate a one on

1019
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: one matchup that he knows he can win. Well. The

1020
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: bad news is he doesn't have another guy in that

1021
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: front seven who he has a strong belief in. And

1022
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: this is an assumption that as strong belief and that

1023
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna win. Most of those times, Vernon was that guy.

1024
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: He was that Chandler Jones that he was going to

1025
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: build everything around Vernon to know that he's gonna do

1026
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: everything he can to get people away from him so

1027
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be one upped and that Vernon will

1028
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: win knows one on ones, and he did against Philly.

1029
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: He a really good game. But it comes down to

1030
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: then your guy is still winning his matchup well. But

1031
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Giants, if you look at

1032
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: their front seven, there are not a lot of guys.

1033
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Snacks Harrison can do it, but it's against

1034
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: the run. How many guys in the Giants front seven,

1035
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to insult anybody, but how many

1036
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: of them give you great confidence that at any time

1037
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: during the game you can get a one on one

1038
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: matchup for them and they're gonna win it. Besides Olivier Vernon. No,

1039
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. But again, but I don't think that's why.

1040
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's a scheme issue. I mean

1041
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: it is, Vernon got to the passer quite enough last

1042
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: week with no blitz is being called that's with the

1043
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: four man rush. But but that's because that's not scheme.

1044
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: That's him being a guy with a four man rush. Yeah,

1045
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: but you then will play your scheme off of the

1046
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: man's ability to win the one on one. You will

1047
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: not scheme things if you don't believe you have a

1048
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: guy who can win on one on one. That's there.

1049
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: I talked to bet you about this. I know what

1050
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: he's thinking that I talked to, know what he's doing.

1051
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: But if he gets there with four guys rushing, how

1052
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: is that scheme? That's my question is what they try,

1053
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: what they want to do, what they want to do,

1054
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: whether it's a five on four, a six on four,

1055
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: of four on four. They can illustrate when they when

1056
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: they send the four man up up on the line scrimmage,

1057
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: if Vernon's on the edge, okay, and they've got a

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00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: five on four matchup, if they believe that Snacks is

1059
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna draw the double team. Then that means everybody else

1060
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: on that line is one on one who's gonna win

1061
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: the match up. Vernon's got the best chance to win

1062
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: the match, but that's still different if Vernon's at right end,

1063
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: or if Cream warns it right and they're still gonna

1064
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 1: double team Snacks. Here's the problem. At least they know

1065
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: that Vernon has a chance to win that, which means

1066
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: the other team also knows it, and now they have

1067
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: to account for it, right, So it's about the personnel

1068
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: and Vernon. It's not well exactly, that's my that's my only.

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00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: Here's the thing if you know, but if you're a

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00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: bencher and you're a lot enough four guys pay in

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00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: front of a lot of the four guys against five

1072
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: and they're double team and Snacks and they know Kareem

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00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: Martin is not gonna not gonna to win that one

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00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I want to match up. Guess what, you're betcher, You

1075
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: now have to do something else schematically because you can't

1076
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: scare them and intimidate them with the guys that you

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: have on your front line. Do you think he do

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: you think he blitz more when no, I think what

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00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: he did was actually blitz less and I know he

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00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: did because he was ten percent less than when he

1081
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: was in Arizona. He actually was less, believe it or not.

1082
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna scare the offense even less. Well,

1083
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: and again, the reason he had to go less was

1084
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: because they didn't show the ability in the back seven

1085
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: to hold up right look, and that was my point

1086
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: to start. Well, there's no question personnel has has an

1087
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: impact on this, But honestly, not having Vernon was a

1088
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: big deal. Well of Paul, of course, it's a huge

1089
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: deal if you don't have the guy that could win

1090
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: in one on one passireus. That changes your whole defensive

1091
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: and he is the one guy, right, they can go

1092
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: into a game into feeling confident that he's gonna win.

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: A bunch of those. I think we're actually in the

1094
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: same page. I probably are, which different I think we're

1095
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: just verbalizing it differently. Let's go to Chris and Allamoji.

1096
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: He'll wrap us up. Chris, what's up, pal? Thanks for

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00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: fitting me in, John and Paul, So you dragged my

1098
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: memory when you mentioned William Managers before. It immediately thought

1099
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: of also Gerald Riggs, who was a pretty good running back. Absolute, Yeah,

1100
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: rig Well, the Redskins too. Oh, that's right, yes, later

1101
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: on absolutely so. Uh, you know, I think it's a

1102
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: great breakdown with the single high safety, with Ellison and

1103
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Engram coming back. Hopefully they Giants new school at some points.

1104
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: But my question to you guys is, unfortunately, if things

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: don't go our way Monday night leading up to the

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00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: Redskin game and then the buy and let's say we

1107
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: do drop the next couple of games that we do

1108
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: go to one in uh, one in seven, at what

1109
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: point there's the Giant start thinking about managing the touches

1110
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: hill Barkley and not over using him in a season

1111
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: that he obviously want to use him, but not over

1112
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: using him in a season that that's unfortunately maybe thrown

1113
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: by the wayside. I don't. I don't think, you know,

1114
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: you get to the point where you're like, oh, we

1115
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: want to make sure he's fresh next year, only gonna

1116
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: give it to him eighteen times instead of twenty four.

1117
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's the case. I think

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00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, he's been in that

1119
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: good you know, between twenty and twenty five touches a

1120
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: game type of category, you know, not in that range

1121
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: and not uh, not trying not to go over to that. Well,

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00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they we haven't really seen him do

1123
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: that yet, and I don't think they're intend to do that.

1124
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: There might be a couple of games where they get

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: into the area and if if, if the flow of

1126
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: the game tends to dictate, and that's fine, but um,

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00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: I think they believe he's most effective and he's the

1128
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: best running back he can be when he's in that range. Yeah.

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00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: I would only add one other thing here, Uh, the

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00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: Giants sort of position where if they're going to look

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00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: towards what happens the next couple of years, Well, every

1132
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: snap Barkley gets into is an education, and so I

1133
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: don't think that they will cut him back unless he's hurting.

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: If he's not hurting and he's fully healthy, they'll give

1135
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: him the regular workload because it will only help him

1136
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen. Yeah, and Paul, I agree with

1137
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: you there. But my my feeling is the way he

1138
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: makes his own own lanes, his own yards. I just

1139
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't want him taking those hits. Uh, you know,

1140
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: considering that he makes a lot of the yard John

1141
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: his own that that was my concern. Well, I understand that,

1142
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: but it is football, and the hits are gonna come

1143
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: one way or another. And the more that he sees

1144
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: and John and I talked before about how he likes

1145
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: to cut pass rushers, and in the NFL, more often

1146
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: than not, that's not gonna work because they'll figure it

1147
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: out in a hurry. And there's athletes in this league

1148
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: who will jump over you. Okay, they will hurdle you

1149
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: when they've already done it a couple of times to him.

1150
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, Barkley, Barkley needs to learn every single piece

1151
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: of information about this league that he can, so you know,

1152
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: I think you gotta play him right, Paul. Last question

1153
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: for you too, John, I'll take the coming up the air.

1154
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Considering he was pretty good at ten State when past

1155
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: protection when he was called to do it, what's your feeling.

1156
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: Are you guys impressed with his past protection or is

1157
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: he kind of like where your thought as a rookie appreciated? Yeah, yeah,

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01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: thank you man. And I think pulling I touched on

1159
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: this earlier. I think the mental part of the past

1160
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: protection thing has kind of been right on, but it's

1161
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the physically making the blocks where he's missed. I think

1162
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: two or three over the course of the year. I mean, look,

1163
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: getting yourself in the right position absolutely okay, And I

1164
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: think we not only have seen it John, but we've

1165
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: also heard everybody talk about how mentally a stute he is.

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01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: And he's very very sharp in terms of picking up

1167
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: what's going on. For example, he was here on Monday.

1168
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: The whole team was off on Monday this week. I

1169
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: saw say On Barkley here, he's a diligent kid. Yeah,

1170
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: so that that's not that's not lacking at all. But

1171
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: there are going to be things that that he sees

1172
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: and then has to say, Okay, now, how do I

1173
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: bless you? I see this, I recognize it. Now what

1174
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: is it that I need to do to make the

1175
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: place successful? And that's only gonna come with experience, because

1176
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: there were things that will succeed at the college level

1177
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: that will not succeed at the pro level when these

1178
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: guys are bigger, stronger, faster, making more money and quite

1179
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: frankly know a lot of tricks that you didn't see

1180
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: when you were playing Ohio State and Michigan and Michigan State.

1181
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: They're great programs, but but they don't have ten years

1182
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: under their belt. And you know what I'm saying, Paul,

1183
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: good stuff my friends. Okay, John excellent program. Will see

1184
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: on Monday, folks, Figos and Lands will get you ready

1185
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: for Giants and Falcons Monday Night football. You gonna listen

1186
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: on the radio myself to Tino Lands and Jeff will

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