WEBVTT - Part Two: The Newsies on Strike: Soaking Scabs & Taking Names 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.840 Hello, and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:14.280 your weekly Joe that I'm Margaret Killjoy with me today 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:15.680 is Andrew T Andrew Harlo. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:17.560 Good, how's it going. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.400 I'm loving the amazing economy of the intros thing. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.840 No orange eating on my time exactly? Wait, how are 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:30.840 you doing on the orange? 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:31.160 Is? 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.720 Secretly it's the same. Well, you ate the entire orange. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.479 I didn't notice, and we're on zoom together. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:36.360 It's really gone. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.200 Yeah, that is one of your powers. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:44.120 It's a professional podcaster skill. Yeah, but I one a few. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.720 They were probably I would say I would. I'm going 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:52.080 to guess there were probably twelve sections of orange. So 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.200 if anyone can write in with the timecode for all 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.160 the all ever each if you correctly can identify all 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.680 the time codes when I an orange from the last episode, 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:08.000 I'll send you a prize. Hell yeah, just tweet tweet Abby. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:08.720 Yeah. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.199 Our producer is Sophie. How are you doing today, Sophie Swell? 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.440 I wish I had an orange. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:16.480 I wish I had an orange too. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.360 I don't have an orange. I'm the only one that's 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.399 definitely orangeless. That's true. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.240 Well, I don't know. You could have a whole stash 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:23.840 of them. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:24.600 That's true. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.120 And Ian is our audio engineer. Hi Ian. Everyone would 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:34.600 say Hi Ian, including Ian. On woman wrote our theme music. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.000 Someone asked on the internet what song it is, and 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.040 the answer is it is not a song. We said 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.560 to a woman, can you write theme music? So I 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.360 guess it's called cool people who did cool stuff the 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:46.320 theme music. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:48.080 Theme? 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.000 Yeah, yeah, that's that's see. That's why you get paid. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.720 It's the writer. And this week we're talking about strikes 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.000 for no reason. It doesn't tything that's happening. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:00.240 No getting paid as a writer. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:02.840 No one should be getting paid as a SUD writer 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.600 for any of the companies in the AMPTP. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.240 We are on strike the Writer's Guild of America. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.640 I don't know why I I somehow, I guess Yeah, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.639 there was a crescendo in how I thought I should 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.240 be talking. But no, being on strike is not is 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.720 not a fun thing, although people are making it fun 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.680 and people it's other people are making it fun, but 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.800 people are refusing to be beaten down. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:29.880 And there is a difference. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:35.000 Although I do appreciate some some folks from other unions 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:40.240 who have been standing in solidarity, not loving the celebratory 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:45.920 vibe of it, especially the teamsters and nats who I mean, honestly, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:51.480 we couldn't do half of these sort of like picketting actions. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.760 The efficacy would go way down as far as like 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.880 shutting down productions. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:03:00.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. You know, actors got I. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.880 Was gonna say. And also thanks to SAG h for 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.840 joining us. It's been awesome. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.720 And we'll see what happens with SAG and their strike 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:14.640 authorization vote and their negotiation. But I suspect I suspect 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.679 we might see them officially joining US soon. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.240 That would rule solo there. It is a powerful weapon, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:24.280 I hope. Okay, my story about this is that I'm 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.760 in the movie Rent, and oh I didn't ask to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.280 be in the movie Rent. Wait you told me the 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:31.720 story in person the other day. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.400 Spoilers. This is a great story. Oh my god, my 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.000 plug story good? 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.280 Please kill me. So I like needed to get home 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.520 for this is when I was like a squad in 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.880 New York City and it was like winter, and so 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.760 a big coat and a big beard because I hadn't 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.680 come out as trans yet and I'm playing Melodica and 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.400 Tompkins Square Park and this film crew comes up and 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.640 it's like they have a sixteen millimeter film camera like 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.320 a bulex, and I'm like, I know what that is, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.240 you know, And they're like, oh, we're students. Think they 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.080 said they were from NYU, I can't remember exactly. And 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.839 they were like, can we film you? And I was like, yeah, 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.000 I'm going to get some money out of this. This 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.600 is great. I need to get some money anyway, so 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.680 you can film me. So they filmed me and then 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.400 they're like, I was like, hey, I need five bucks 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:13.960 ago and see my family for Christmas. Can I at 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.840 least get a couple of bucks? And so they pull 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.240 out a bunch of money and they pull off exactly 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.240 two one dollar bills and he hands it to me 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.680 and he says, you get what you ask for in life, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.919 and I was because I said a couple dollars. In 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.320 my mind, I'm like, I pretty clearly asked for five dollars. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.039 That was like a fairly direct ask. I didn't like 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.280 beat around the bush around this. And uh So he 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:37.760 hands to me two dollars and walks off, and I 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.480 think to myself, that's the rudest NYU film crew I've 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.800 ever met, You know, Jesus, it was Sony Pictures and uh. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.520 And so a year later, my brother's like, did you 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.760 know you're in rent? And I'm like, I did not 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.000 know I was in rent. And so the Washington Post 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.120 wrote an article about it, and Sony didn't get back 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.280 to them about it, and then SAG contacted me and 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.680 was like, hey, can we represent you to Sony? Yeah, 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.960 and they settled out of court for the amount that 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.800 they pay extras. And I've loved SAG ever since. I've 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.400 been pro union for a very long time. But it 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.479 just was like nice to be like they didn't make 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.160 any money out of that, Like they just did that 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.479 because someone was being exploited by the film industry and 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.560 they wanted to step in. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:29.279 So I guess it also helps that it was clearly documented, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.240 like you're clearly there. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.480 Yeah, totally received nobody. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.599 Yeah yeah, no, totally and uh and I have an 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:46.479 IMDb credit because of that. So amazing, amazing, Yeah, thanks Sag. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 Yeah for real. I mean it is like, yeah, I 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.440 will say I should I should have manned. As soon 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.520 as I said it, I uh, And then you went 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.760 into your story. I did want to say, I don't 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.359 necessarily hope they joined us on the picket line. I 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.920 hope they get a fair deal with whatever means it takes. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:09.840 Yeah, fair enough. So speaking of solidarity and unions and stuff, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.600 this is part two in our two parter about the 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.440 real life newsies, the Newsboys Strike of eighteen ninety nine. Yeah, 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.960 I got that right. I always say nineteen said of 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.960 eighteen when I do these things, but I didn't this time. Instead, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:29.120 now I'm just going to strike where we last left 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.280 our gang of our plucky gang of shockingly violent heroes 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.240 who may or may not have been very violent at all, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.880 as there are no reported deaths or any particular mention 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.680 of hospitalizations during this wild time or whatever. They have 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.880 gone on strike for not having their rates go up. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.000 And the strike is spread over all over New England 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.400 and into the Midwest. And they've got two of the 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.440 most powerful men in the world on their back feet 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.840 with the most successful strike in New York City history. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.719 So let's see what happens next. I guess I already 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.520 told you that the Empire strikes back or whatever. But 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.760 the newspapers they're like, we're going to fucking stop this, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.640 and they started working things out between each other. They 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.320 already had in terms of the price. I don't know 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.800 if it's legally price fixing, but you know, they fixed 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.080 the prices together. For one thing, the two papers made 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.480 a deal that if one caved, the other had to 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.960 pay two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the other, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.120 which is about seven million dollars in today's money, as 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.840 a way to like bet to like pay chicken with children, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:29.240 you know. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.960 Yeah, right, and that's a public thing. So they're like, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.960 we have we don't just have our normal skin in 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.920 the game. In solidarity, we've yeah, put seven million bucks 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.560 in s row. Yeah against in solidarity. They you know what, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.400 they put a ring on it. This is this is 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.320 their pledge to each other. This is seven million dollars 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.640 that we will stay faithful to each. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.200 Other absolutely and kind of in this we hate each 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.320 other way, you know, in. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.000 This collusive business arrangement. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.360 Yeah. And so they were like, all right, well, we 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.120 can't hire kids to sell these papers anymore, but surely 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.160 we could hire grown men. Obviously, grown men can't be 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.280 intimidated by teenage boys, said no one who's ever met 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:23.200 teenage boys before it really Yeah, this plan failed spectacularly 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.480 on several levels. So they hired a bunch of adult scabs. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.160 They tried to hire about seven hundred of them in 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.920 the end, or they did hire about seven hundred of 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.400 them in the end, and they were hired at really 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.160 good rates. They got to buy one hundred papers for 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.760 forty cents each instead of sixty, and they each got 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.400 two dollars a day on top of it all. And 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.160 the newspapers told the scabs that the reason that the 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.640 kids were on strike is that competing newspapers had brainwashed 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.600 the impressionable young newsies. And actually these two papers were 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.640 very kind to their newsies, who had very good lives. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.280 After all, there's been all of these articles about the 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.840 singing and the dancing. Maybe not the actual singing and dancing, 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:03.679 but sure, so these grown men go out on the 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.079 streets and news newsies follow them and beat them with 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:11.120 clubs until they stop scabbing. They stopped seven hundred men 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.960 this way. Also a lot of them, a lot of 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.719 the ostensible scabs actually just supported the strike. As soon 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.160 as they found out about it, they took their two 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.120 dollars and destroyed their own papers. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.440 Yeah, I think there's probably some especially with this era 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:34.240 of like labor and these jobs specifically like it's so 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:39.680 wild that these like the management in this case would think, oh, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.000 putting like people putting your putting people in the shoes 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.520 of the of the workers doing this like very difficult job. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.160 Is not is going to keep them on our side? Yeah, totally, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.400 Like it's it's the rate that we're quibbling about. Like, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.040 you know, any any sensible person would see this is 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.560 a wonderful job for you know, human being, and it's like, yeah, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.679 you do the fucking job for like half a day 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.800 and they're like, yeah, I strike. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.400 Yeah, totally totally. We talked about it in an episode 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.920 last year the Battle of Blair Mountain, which was the 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.920 largest armed insurrection since the Civil War in the United States, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.240 and it was a black and white miners going on 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.560 strike and then being attacked physically with guns and bullets 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.839 by the by the bosses. So they got their own 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.600 guns and bullets and fought back rights in southwest West Virginia. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.080 And and that was that thing where they like, they 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.960 like bring on all these strike breakers and actually to 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.160 tie into race and unfortunate history of races. Usually what 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.000 they do is that if it's it's a white union, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.880 they bring in black strike breakers, people who are you know, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.400 desperately or or whatever. And at least in Battle of 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.240 Blair Mountain it just didn't work. The people showed up 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.160 and were like, oh this sucks. Yeah, absolutely, we're with you, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.840 you know, and adults were like, what we're doing? What 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:56.880 to children? 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:58.120 Yeah? 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.280 Yeah, I mean you. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.480 Have to imagine, like after a couple like, yeah, hours 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.840 minutes of these margins with this work, you're like, this 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.080 is fucking inhumane. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.559 Yeah, and I'm getting the good version of this, yeah, totally. Yeah. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.440 At another point, seventy five men went in to go 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.720 sign up at one point in one of the papers, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.040 and they listened to the bullshit pr speech from the papers, 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.360 and sixty eight of them turned around and walked away. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.680 Rather than so the seven hundred men they hired, that's 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.560 probably outam yeah, ten thousand or something they tried to hire, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.719 you know. In the end, seventy five percent of the 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.960 scabs were hired at two dollars a day quit before 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.200 selling a single paper. It's unsure how much of that 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:41.920 was solidarity and how much of that was a good 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:47.760 club in bail stick problems require bail stick solutions. Yeah, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.480 I mean, also, maybe what they moved on to these 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.200 paper bails with Okay, sorry, go ahead. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.559 Oh yeah, it's kind of be right, Like the tool 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:01.439 of insurrection is between ten and sixteen inches of about 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.160 an inch thick wood. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:04.600 Yeah, totally. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.480 That's that is how you beat That's how you beat Magellan. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.400 That's how you beat Pinkerton's. That's like the thing that 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.720 you have. Those sticks are around. It seems like there 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.640 has to be just because of how buffoonish the management 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.000 was in this case, there have to have also feels 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.920 like ben word going around. It's like, hey, you can 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.960 make an easy two box for free. It's a time show. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.959 Like you listen to a bullshit speech, take your two box, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.000 and then bounce. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.760 Yeah and throw the papers in the ocean. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.920 Yeah because ship. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.400 Yeah totally, what are you going to do? Like id 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:36.840 you on your Like yeah. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.040 Yeah, oh you'll never You'll never get to work as 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.760 a newsy again, like yeah, get get Fox. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.439 Yeah totally newspaper owner. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.800 Yeah yeah, I'm an adult. I don't want that job. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.880 I just want my two bucks. So there was one 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.880 problem that the boys had a harder time solving. Women 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.360 newsgirls weren't hired as scabs, but there were all women 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.040 who ran newspaper stands and or were just like kind 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.319 of newsies, but in a different cultural sense, maybe standing 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.160 near the base of the bridges. And many of them 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.079 were on the striker's sid side, but some of them 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.240 were selling the boycotted papers under the table or literally 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.880 hiding them under their skirts. And this was a pickle because, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:23.560 as strike leader Kid Blink put it, quote, a feller 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.800 can't soak a lady, and you can't get at them 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.800 women's scab papes without soaking them. We'll have to let 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.840 them get along. I guess anyway, we got Annie with us. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.640 You can bet there's no worlds or journals under her skirts. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:41.600 And they did indeed have Annie Annie Kelly. Annie Kelly 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.720 didn't apparently have a nickname, which is also a power move. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.960 I think Annie Kelly one of the only newstand women 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.280 attached to the strike in a more formal way. The 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.880 New York Sun called her quote the brick of all 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.720 women in the most faithful of strikers. Because she supported 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.400 the strike, the strikers didn't harass her customers, and even 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.760 without selling the two most popular papers in the city, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.679 her profits went up because there weren't picketers there, and 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.240 because the populace supported the strike, so people would come 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.240 intentionally to go to strike, supporting news vendors, and also 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.800 she got customers from other places because the strike the 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.800 picketers were at the other places. Other news women got 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.240 mad at her. One of them, missus Corkoran, threatened her 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.920 for stealing her customers. Annie Kelly's response was that she 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.480 could quote tie seven missus Corkoran's into a knot, and 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.360 that if missus Corkoran wanted, she could come over and fight. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.600 Missus Corkoran declined to go over and fight about it. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.400 I will say there is a little bit of like 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.000 like Marvel logic here, and I know this is like 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.520 obviously like we're in We're trapped in a prison of gender, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.760 and I'm gonna. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.600 I don't think I'm gonna misspeak. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.240 I feel confident in this, but I guess it's definitely 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.840 possible I will misspeak somewhere her but in you know, 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.680 because in in, I think Marvel Movies is the most 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.520 prominent place where this happens. But it's just that if 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:16.080 there's a female antagonist, when it comes time for the big, big, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.480 you know fight at the end, you need a female 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.480 protagonist to beat them up physically or. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.640 As a fella can't soak a lady. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.240 Yeah, truly, And this just says, this just brings me 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.360 to the point of if you're going to run your 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.320 union on street violence, this is why it's important to 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.760 have a lot of diverse inn there so that you 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.800 can you can opt you know, with good optics, soak anyone. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.800 I absolutely agree. I think that this was a flaw 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:49.080 in the street organizing. Yeah, yeah, so and Kelly Annie Kelly. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.000 The strikers viewed her as a patron saint according to 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.640 the papers, and she's cool. The newsies set themselves up 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.440 along delivery wagon routes and would ambush the waggons to 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.600 destroy their papers. Three delivery wagon drivers. This is very reasonable. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.200 They quit their jobs because they didn't want to fight 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.560 literal children anymore. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:13.520 It is it is. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.920 I mean, look and the way that labor actions do 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.880 you know, begin to start to feel like a war. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.720 I mean, like again our current strike. We can't do 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.160 anything without the teamsters. It's all about supply lines and optics. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:33.120 Man, totally ridiculous, totally, And speaking of optics, the newsies 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.440 put up signs everywhere they says. They referred to them 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.080 as pasting them up so I assume that this is 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.920 wheat paste all over town, and I want to talk 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.560 about wheat paste. Have you ever wheat pasted? I mean 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.840 I have so long? Well no, In case anyone is interested, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.360 it is one of the cheapest methods to attach papers 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.960 to a wall in a hurry. You take one part 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.240 white flower to four parts water. You heat it up 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.600 to almost a boil while stirring, and then that's it. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.600 You now have wheat paste. It's nicer to use it 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.800 while it's warm. You've got to kind of use it 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.640 fairly quickly because it'll eventually go bad. Because it's wheat paste. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.199 There's other stuff you can add to it. You can 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.800 look up recipes about it, but it's a very simple thing. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.640 You slop it onto a piece of paper like paper mache, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.200 you attach it to a wall, and you keep going. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.959 And one thing that's nice about wheat paste again, historically 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.439 I would never advocate anyone do this. It's like not 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.560 as much of a crime as most graffiti, like because 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.720 it's fairly non destructive. And so it's like, again, I'm 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.840 not a lawyer or a crime advocate. I don't know 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.840 if I can say that I'm not a crime advocate anyway. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.159 So that's a thing that the news is not a 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:50.280 crime lawyer. Yeah, totally. So that's what the newsies did, 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:56.800 fun historical anecdote. And whenever they grabbed huge bundles of papers, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.160 of the yellow papers, they called them the two boycotted paper. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.680 They'd like fire them in empty lots and dance around 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:03.160 the flames. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.960 It is kind of awesome how everything kind of gets 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.159 a little Lord of the flies, he. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:18.280 Pret I know, like these people are having a peak experience, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.040 that is what they are doing. It is a hard 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.720 come down from this kind of experience. Imagine if feels 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.520 like something like burning Man, only like really mattered, you. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.760 Know, right. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.840 It is like somehow the literal opposite of burning Man. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.880 Yeah, those same aesthetically the same. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.520 Yeah. At one point four hundred boys went on a 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.280 rampage around Uptown removing the yellow papers from stores and stalls. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.160 They would like, literally they just like mob into a store, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.000 find all the papers, take them out, and burn them. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.360 Occasionally the children were caught and arrested, but others carried on. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.160 Many of the arrested wound up in prison despite being 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.359 like eleven or fourteen or whatever. The public really wanted leniency, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:11.600 the courts really wanted punishment. The courts got their way right. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.320 At one point, the newsies raised about one hundred dollars 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:16.960 or so is a strike fund, and they used it 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.520 to a print eleven thousand copies of a circular that 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.240 basically said support the strike. It was like a little 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.840 bit longer than that, but I didn't bother quoting it 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.040 because it kind of just as support the striker. They 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.720 passed it out. They're very good at passing out news 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:35.040 so that was probably pretty effective. One black Newsy William 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.600 Reese with the nickname I'm not saying, he got arrested 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.119 while not breaking the law, surprising no one in the 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.280 Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three, right, he was 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.639 passing out the circular to support the newsies, and a 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.080 cop arrested him for passing out advertisements against buying newspapers. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.720 Like that's what the cop said was the reason he 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.200 wound up. Yeah, yeah, he wound up taken in front 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.639 of the judge, and his defense was basically, I literally 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.040 didn't break any actual laws and no one has accused 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.400 me of breaking any actual laws. The judge warned him 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.359 not to do it again and let him go. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:19.720 I mean, yeah, obviously, just immense amounts of bullshit there, but. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.919 It's it is so wild. Yeah, but there isn't a 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.760 law against this, I. 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:33.159 Know, and this happens every day. I'm certain, yes, yes, yes, like, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.320 but I literally didn't break a law. Well, don't do 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.560 it again, thanks for the leniency. Later, two kids were 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.159 arrested for breaking a law, which is that you're not 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.520 allowed to beat people up. One of the union kids 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.120 was white, one of one was black. The white kid 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.359 was fined one dollar. The black kid was fined three dollars. Right, again, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:56.400 truly shocking information. And all the while, the newsies are 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:01.040 still selling the non boycotted papers, So the boycotted papers 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.320 they cover the shit out of this strike. This is 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.520 this is the front page news while it's happening, right, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:13.040 because it's really catchy headlines, it's about children, and like 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.400 they didn't like their competitors who were Yeah. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.399 It truly, please fucking Paramount, what are you? What are 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.480 you defending Netflix for? It is so wild when they 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.400 had this, This is heartwarming to hear that these people can. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.480 Sometimes stab each other. Don't even stab each other in 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.600 the back. They should be stabbing each other in the front. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:35.680 I know they're in a fight. 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.119