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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff

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Speaker 1: your weekly Joe that I'm Margaret Killjoy with me today

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Speaker 1: is Andrew T Andrew Harlo.

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Speaker 2: Good, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: I'm loving the amazing economy of the intros thing.

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Speaker 1: No orange eating on my time exactly? Wait, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing on the orange?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: Secretly it's the same. Well, you ate the entire orange.

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Speaker 1: I didn't notice, and we're on zoom together.

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Speaker 2: It's really gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is one of your powers.

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Speaker 4: It's a professional podcaster skill. Yeah, but I one a few.

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Speaker 3: They were probably I would say I would. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to guess there were probably twelve sections of orange. So

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Speaker 3: if anyone can write in with the timecode for all

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Speaker 3: the all ever each if you correctly can identify all

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Speaker 3: the time codes when I an orange from the last episode,

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Speaker 3: I'll send you a prize. Hell yeah, just tweet tweet Abby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Our producer is Sophie. How are you doing today, Sophie Swell?

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Speaker 4: I wish I had an orange.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had an orange too.

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Speaker 3: I don't have an orange. I'm the only one that's

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Speaker 3: definitely orangeless. That's true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. You could have a whole stash

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: And Ian is our audio engineer. Hi Ian. Everyone would

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Speaker 1: say Hi Ian, including Ian. On woman wrote our theme music.

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Speaker 1: Someone asked on the internet what song it is, and

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Speaker 1: the answer is it is not a song. We said

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Speaker 1: to a woman, can you write theme music? So I

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Speaker 1: guess it's called cool people who did cool stuff the

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Speaker 1: theme music.

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Speaker 2: Theme?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's see. That's why you get paid.

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Speaker 1: It's the writer. And this week we're talking about strikes

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Speaker 1: for no reason. It doesn't tything that's happening.

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Speaker 2: No getting paid as a writer.

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Speaker 3: No one should be getting paid as a SUD writer

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Speaker 3: for any of the companies in the AMPTP.

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Speaker 2: We are on strike the Writer's Guild of America.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I I somehow, I guess Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was a crescendo in how I thought I should

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Speaker 3: be talking. But no, being on strike is not is

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Speaker 3: not a fun thing, although people are making it fun

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Speaker 3: and people it's other people are making it fun, but

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Speaker 3: people are refusing to be beaten down.

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Speaker 2: And there is a difference.

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Speaker 3: Although I do appreciate some some folks from other unions

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Speaker 3: who have been standing in solidarity, not loving the celebratory

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Speaker 3: vibe of it, especially the teamsters and nats who I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: we couldn't do half of these sort of like picketting actions.

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Speaker 3: The efficacy would go way down as far as like

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Speaker 3: shutting down productions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. You know, actors got I.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna say. And also thanks to SAG h for

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Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens with SAG and their strike

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Speaker 3: authorization vote and their negotiation. But I suspect I suspect

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Speaker 3: we might see them officially joining US soon.

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Speaker 1: That would rule solo there. It is a powerful weapon,

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Speaker 1: I hope. Okay, my story about this is that I'm

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Speaker 1: in the movie Rent, and oh I didn't ask to

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Speaker 1: story in person the other day.

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Speaker 2: Spoilers. This is a great story. Oh my god, my

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Speaker 2: plug story good?

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Speaker 1: Please kill me. So I like needed to get home

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Speaker 1: for this is when I was like a squad in

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Speaker 1: come out as trans yet and I'm playing Melodica and

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Speaker 1: Tompkins Square Park and this film crew comes up and

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Speaker 1: and he says, you get what you ask for in life,

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Speaker 1: That was like a fairly direct ask. I didn't like

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Speaker 1: think to myself, that's the rudest NYU film crew I've

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Speaker 1: ever met, You know, Jesus, it was Sony Pictures and uh.

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Speaker 1: And so a year later, my brother's like, did you

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Speaker 1: been pro union for a very long time. But it

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Speaker 3: So I guess it also helps that it was clearly documented,

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Speaker 3: like you're clearly there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally received nobody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, totally and uh and I have an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. So speaking of solidarity and unions and stuff,

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Speaker 1: this is part two in our two parter about the

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Speaker 1: real life newsies, the Newsboys Strike of eighteen ninety nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got that right. I always say nineteen said of

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Speaker 1: now I'm just going to strike where we last left

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Speaker 1: our gang of our plucky gang of shockingly violent heroes

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Speaker 1: gone on strike for not having their rates go up.

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Speaker 1: And the strike is spread over all over New England

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Speaker 1: So let's see what happens next. I guess I already

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Speaker 1: if it's legally price fixing, but you know, they fixed

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Speaker 1: which is about seven million dollars in today's money, as

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Speaker 1: And and that was that thing where they like, they

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Speaker 1: and were like, oh this sucks. Yeah, absolutely, we're with you,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you.

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Speaker 1: As a fella can't soak a lady.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, truly, And this just says, this just brings me

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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I think that this was a flaw

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Speaker 1: The strikers viewed her as a patron saint according to

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Speaker 2: It is it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look and the way that labor actions do

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Speaker 1: Man, totally ridiculous, totally, And speaking of optics, the newsies

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Speaker 1: about wheat paste. Have you ever wheat pasted? I mean

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Speaker 1: And one thing that's nice about wheat paste again, historically

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Speaker 1: Pret I know, like these people are having a peak experience,

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, obviously, just immense amounts of bullshit there, but.

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Speaker 1: Know, and this happens every day. I'm certain, yes, yes, yes, like,

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Speaker 3: It truly, please fucking Paramount, what are you? What are

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Speaker 1: talking about how all of these other papers cover the

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Later in the strike, Pulitzer and Hurst start physically

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Speaker 2: He is not.

436
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: And it never quite they never quite get a media

437
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: blackout on the strike. But they do influence things, and

438
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: I'll talk about in a little bit something that I

439
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: think they pulled off. But the newsies they're individually doing

440
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: as well financially during the strike as before it, which

441
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: is fairly unique for a strike because the public supports

442
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: them and tips them well for the papers that they

443
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: are selling. At one point, this is okay. This is

444
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: actually the most heartwarming of these stories, even though it's

445
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: like not the most big deal. There's this union kid

446
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: and there's this old man reading one of the yellow papers,

447
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: and he just runs up and snatches the old man paper,

448
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: and the old man grabs the kid, and the kid

449
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: like explains the strike, and the old man's like oh,

450
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: and gives the kid ten cents and lets him go

451
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: for the ten cents for the bail fund or for

452
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: the strike fund.

453
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is like you just kind of

454
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: like it is a little like people never really know,

455
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: especially when you're striking against media companies, like the whole story.

456
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: It is remarkable in that regard.

457
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, I mean, fortunately these

458
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: other papers are covering it, but they're more minor papers

459
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: and they're not you know, like and and cops would

460
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: have come in and attacked crowds of kids. The kids

461
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: would drive off the cops by throwing sticks, stones, old cans,

462
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: and at least in one place an iron bar, a

463
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: pretzel vendor named crazy a Born donated fifteen hundred pretzels

464
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: to the boys. So he was elected an honorary member

465
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: of the union and started like giving speeches at their

466
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: their rallies and stuff.

467
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: Everything you say makes from the last episode, President davely

468
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: more sinister. Yeah, every nickname, every new character, I'm like, not,

469
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: Dave's the fucking craziest one of all.

470
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the kids kept trying to have parades and

471
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: the first time the cops were like, yeah, you don't

472
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: have a permit, and they broke it up. They stole banners,

473
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: they arrested kids. This might have been a march over

474
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Bridge. Again, lots of different sources of kind

475
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: of conflicting information, in which case it fits into a

476
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: long tradition of cops arresting people marching over the Brooklyn Bridge.

477
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: So the kids are like, all right, fine, fuck it,

478
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: we'll get a permit, and the permit was denied. Of course,

479
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: organized labor is conspicuously absent from at least the histories

480
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: I can find about the Newsies strike. There's only one

481
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: thing I was able to find, and that is that

482
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: the Newsies went to the local typographical union, Typographical Union

483
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: number six, and they were like, hey, buds, want to

484
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 1: help us out since you're like fellow union and adults.

485
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: And the union was like, no, fuck off, kids, we

486
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: don't want to stick our neck out for you, right,

487
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: So fuck them real d GA vibes here. Wait, I

488
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: don't know what's d GA.

489
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: The Director's Guild, you know, I guess I don't have

490
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: all the facts. But they they managed to close their

491
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 3: deal with the AMPTP, the the studios and streamers, I

492
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 3: think like a week early.

493
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: To me.

494
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: It has very questionable language in it, and they were

495
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: so proud of it.

496
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: They announced it.

497
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: Like like nearly midnight on a Saturday.

498
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: Yep.

499
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: So make of that what you will. But DJA classically

500
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: has not could do best.

501
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: Solidarity as some of the other entertainment unions we will say.

502
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: Do better directors.

503
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, traditionally have not done the best job that they

504
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: could do.

505
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't know why.

506
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 3: I don't know.

507
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: I don't have all the directors.

508
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Why you got to be like Typographer Union number six

509
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: when you could be like the News Dealers Association, the

510
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: one organized group that had their back that I could find.

511
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: They joined their strike about a weekend to the strike.

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it sort of makes sense also

513
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: because the news dealers presumably are sort of one wrung

514
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: op from the newsies.

515
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And I think that they're also a

516
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: way more informal union there's no number in their name, right,

517
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and so On the seventh day of the strike, July

518
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, eighteen ninety nine, the Newsboys had a rally

519
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: at a place called Irving Hall, which is near Union Square,

520
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: which at the time was a German theater serving the

521
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: immigrant community. A pro labor politician named Timothy Sullivan sponsored

522
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: the meeting. Thousands of Newsies were in attendance. I've seen

523
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: five thousand, I've seen seven thousand. The kids demanded to

524
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: be let in early, and the proprietor was like, no,

525
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: you can't give in early. It's like thirty minutes early.

526
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: We so I got ready. So the kids smashed down

527
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: the door, like stormed the hall for their own rally.

528
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: Newsies came.

529
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: Anyone that's been to see a show at Irving Hall

530
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: knows you don't want to get there, So get there

531
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: like forty five minutes, Like come on, kids.

532
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is how you know they're kids. I know,

533
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: I know they're not fashionably late. What's wrong with them?

534
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

535
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Newsies came from Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Jersey City,

536
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: and most of them were actually outside. It was about

537
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: two thousand people inside and everyone else was outside, and

538
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: there's like all of these things where like every one

539
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: time anyone on the inside would cheer, all the kids

540
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: on the outside would cheer. No, they had no idea

541
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: what they're cheering for and stuff. It's very heartwarming. The

542
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: meeting was chaired by newspaper folks from other papers. A

543
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of the adults who were there were city council

544
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: folks and newspaper folks who had been newsies themselves, because

545
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: that's the other thing about this strike, right, is that

546
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: like a ton of poor kids had come up as newsies.

547
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, The Brooklyn Eagle is a newspaper that lasted

548
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: over one hundred years. I think it stopped in like

549
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: nineteen five these or something. And they sent the Brooklyn

550
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: newsies to the meeting with a big, great, big floral

551
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: horseshoe for to give to the best speech and have

552
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: been donated by a local florist. And the two main

553
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: messages of all the speeches, and the speeches seem to

554
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: be mostly from the kids. The two main messages were

555
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: basically like, we'll stick together and we'll win was one

556
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: of them. And the other big message that the kids

557
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: had was maybe we should stop beating everyone up. All

558
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know, it kind of looks bad.

559
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Bob the Indian said, quote, now I'm to tell you

560
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that you're not to soak the drivers anymore. We're going

561
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: to try and square this thing without violence, So keep cool.

562
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: I think we'll win in a walk. On the level

563
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: I do, there's a lot of like most of the

564
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: media narrators are like and then they all just stopped

565
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: violent and everything went great, And like, I'm pretty sure

566
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: that this was like a played for the cameras kind

567
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: of thing and that they kind of like toned down

568
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: the violence a little bit, but also the violence might

569
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: have been exaggerating the first place. Yeah, anyway, it.

570
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: Feels like I had to have just met in the middle.

571
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what happened. Yeah, Kid Blink won

572
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: the best speech of the night, and he won the horseshoe.

573
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I like his speech. Part of it is quote, ain't

574
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that ten cents worth as much to us as it

575
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: is to Hurston Pulitzer, who are millionaires? Well, I guess

576
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: it is. If they can't spare it, how can we?

577
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: Pretty good, I know, And then he did like a

578
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: no more violence part, and his no more violence part

579
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: was like kind of a like. Look, don't get me wrong.

580
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean I was there with you do win the violence.

581
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was bad that you did it.

582
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we've moved past that now. And then

583
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: he also said, quote we won in eighteen ninety three

584
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: and will win in eighteen ninety nine, but stick together

585
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: like plaster. Kid Blink was the most famous leader of

586
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: the strike. His name was Louis Bellietti. He was eighteen

587
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: at the time. He was redheaded, he wore an eye patch,

588
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: which he may or may not have needed, and besides

589
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: kid Blink, he went by red Blink, Muggsy McGee, and blind.

590
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: I'm in.

591
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, hell yeah, yeah.

592
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: And I think he's the president of the Uptown Newsies.

593
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, but he has a sort of

594
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: leadership rank in the elected system that they have. And

595
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: the arbitration Committee reported how they met with Hurst. He'd

596
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: refused their demands and didn't take them seriously. Said he

597
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: couldn't sell the paper for less, like get out of

598
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: here your kids. Annie was there, Annie Kelly, their patron saint,

599
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: and people made her get up and give a talk.

600
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: All she said and her entire quote Her entire speech

601
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: was quote, all I can say, boys is to stick

602
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: together and we'll win. That's all I've got to say

603
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: to you.

604
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: There is there is a real especially at a certain

605
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: point in a labor rally or any kind of like

606
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: thing like that, where you just it truly is like

607
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: brevity will will help you totally. I know.

608
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I hate like just the speech is partly it's like yeah, but.

609
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: It's also like we get it, We're here, come on, yeah.

610
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the applause for her ten seconds speech lasted

611
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: for minutes. People really liked her. After the rally, tactics

612
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: moved from attacking scabs to more dredging up support for boycotts,

613
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: since the public was largely on their side, at least

614
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: as that the papers generally report, they did keep physically

615
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: confronting scabs. Then then the newspapers pulled their dirtiest trick

616
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: yet and this one I actually can't prove, but hear

617
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: me out. On July twenty sixth day nine, a bunch

618
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: of newspapers and the non yellow papers reported that two

619
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: of the main strike leaders, Kid Blink and Dave, had

620
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: been spotting selling the boycott spotted selling the boycotted papers

621
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: and that they'd been bought off and like taking bribes.

622
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: So the newsies get together and they kind of like

623
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: call a tribunal and they like show up and kind

624
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: of drag their their leaders to this tribunal, and the

625
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: two accused deny all charges, and the tribunal acquits them.

626
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, I think you're telling the truth.

627
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: And and all that happened was that kid Blink stepped

628
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: out of leadership and Dave stepped down to treasurer. And

629
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I think that these accusations were almost certainly scab jacketing,

630
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: basically like being like claiming someone's a scap when they're not.

631
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: There's a chance that the kids did get bribed, took

632
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: the money, and then changed their mind and rejoined the strike.

633
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Also wouldn't put it past them.

634
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

635
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: That as again as someone in the middle of a strike.

636
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: It has been shocking, like or not shocking, But I

637
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: I have been consistently surprised, how I mean, partially because

638
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: I am extra ready to believe that, especially people in

639
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: the upper ranks of the guild.

640
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Are willing to scab. And yeah, it is.

641
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: It has been against my instincts, like pretty much always been.

642
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: You know, shown to not be accurate or yeah.

643
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: You know, it really is a big tactic to sort

644
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: of turn us all again to each other and not

645
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: to say that the like our guild is perfect or

646
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: that the stratification within our guild is good or if

647
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: it makes that much sense sometimes, but yeah, there is

648
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: you know, probably not or there's definitely not as much

649
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: scabbing happening as you know, the studio friendly media, would

650
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: you have you believe?

651
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, yeah, because they want to project

652
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: the like, oh, these insignificant people.

653
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know that while the rank and file

654
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: our suckers for yeah, for going along.

655
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally class. That's really interesting that whole like

656
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: nothing's changed in one hundred and twenty three years or whatever,

657
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: twenty four years. Yeah, yeah, none of the papers actually

658
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: had even seen the kids selling the papers. They just

659
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: reported on rumors that other people had seen the kids

660
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: selling papers.

661
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is also like such a it's so funny

662
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: that like it would be such a PubL thing, like

663
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: selling newspapers on a street is so much different than

664
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: scabbing privately at your home.

665
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Totally totally and like and probably at this tribunal, if

666
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: anyone had actually seen them do it, the tribunal would

667
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: have gone differently, you know, yeah.

668
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: It would be it would have been very obvious if

669
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: they were fucking selling news sapers on the street.

670
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like no, I was there, remember, like, ah,

671
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. That's why we call you old Lai. Yeah,

672
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: that's true. We at first I thought it was because

673
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: you only tell the truth. Yeah, you're one of the

674
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: it's one of the real nickname people. Yeah, you're standing

675
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: next to Big John, who's actually tall. So I think

676
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: that we thought, what are the odds. Yeah, it turns

677
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: out this time were and so so. Dave was like, no,

678
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: the enemy has fedi these rumors. Both continued to actively

679
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: participate in the strike. The next day, on July twenty seventh,

680
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Kid Blink and a hundred friends went around in trash

681
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: newspapers that are being given out for free at this point.

682
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: That's how desperate the newspapers were, and which is part

683
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: of my theory that they didn't actually entirely move away

684
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: from violence. I don't know what it looked like to

685
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: go trash newspapers in this context. You know, they might

686
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: have moved firmly to direct action and property destruction and

687
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: away from I don't know whatever. I actually don't care.

688
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: I like support them no matter which of these tactics

689
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: they're doing, right, I only care because I I don't

690
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: like the convenient media narrative of like, and then they

691
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: became good, you know, right, and I'm like, I don't

692
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: know that it was good that they're like I'm not

693
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: trying to make a moral judgment here about it, but

694
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't know whatever.

695
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, violence is violence is just another tactic, and yeah,

696
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: it is so infrequently that the labor or the marginalized

697
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: side that starts it.

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, like totally. Because also it's like you're talking

699
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: about like literally starving to death at this point, you know. Yeah,

700
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's the thing. I like, I like, oh,

701
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: they raised the raids, right, You're like they were making

702
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: less than twelve dollars a day, and then someone was like,

703
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: what if you only get seven dollars a day? Now,

704
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: can you survive?

705
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

706
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: Like no, Yeah, starving someone is just as violent as

707
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: you know, snatching their news, substatching someone else's newspapers totally,

708
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: or shoving throwing mud at a scab.

709
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Uh So when Dave stepped down. A kid who loved

711
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: gambling named Racetrack Higgins took over as president. So on

712
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: July twenty ninth, the newspapers caved on a major issue.

713
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: They didn't cave on the price. They actually for a

714
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: little while a few days before this, they kind of

715
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: were like, what about fifty five cents? And the kids

716
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: were like, we're clearly winning. Fuck off?

717
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about fuck you? What about forty cents? Fuck face?

718
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. The newspapers caved on a different issue entirely.

719
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: They offered full buybacks of the unsold papers. And what

720
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: happened is they came in and they're like, what about

721
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: ten percent buybacks? And the kids were like no, and

722
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: they're like twenty percent buybacks. The kids were like no,

723
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: and they're like one hundred percent buybacks and the kids

724
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: were like maybe right, And this actually effectively ended the strike.

725
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: The strike leaders insisted that the strike was still on,

726
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: but more and more people were like, nah, we we

727
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: kind of won. This is good enough, Like the prices

728
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: didn't go down, but the buy back was probably a

729
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: bigger deal because you no longer have a situation where

730
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: you're gambling in order to sell papers. Some newsies insisted

731
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: that they kept up the fight, but most went back

732
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: to selling the newspapers. And in August first, the union

733
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: formally accepted the deal, and August second, the strike was over.

734
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: And then the news Boys Union dissolved as quickly as

735
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: it came into being, because it was an insurrectionary organization

736
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: that existed when it was necessary and disappeared later. And

737
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: that's not how all newsboys strikes went. Some of them

738
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: created formal institutions that lasted, you know, for several generations

739
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and newsboys, but that's how it happened with this one.

740
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: And you know what else is a formal membership organization

741
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: is the new union that I'm starting called the Union

742
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: of Bailstick Operators, where for the low entry price of

743
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: you buy a bailstick and then think about what you

744
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: think of not Margaret carefully choosing her words to not

745
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: get in trouble. You can join the bailstick Union. And

746
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: in case anyone's wondering, it's spelled b a l E

747
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: like a bail of hay.

748
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what we can all agree. You extra

749
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: don't want to scab against this union.

750
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're caught bailstick in without being in the bailstick

751
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: union unless you're a farmer. Yeah, if you're a farmer,

752
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: it's fine.

753
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, bailstick not that way.

754
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: Not that way either. Yeah.

755
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: So that's one of the ads. And then here's some

756
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: more and we're back. So after the strike, life continued,

757
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: it didn't unfortunately magically. That's like one of the funny

758
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: things about strikes, right, is you like win and like

759
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: until we win, like the destruction of capitalism. What we're

760
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: winning is like things didn't get worse, you know.

761
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: Well, and also, this is a thing that I have

762
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: been wondering. It's gonna be hard to go back and

763
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: work for these fucks after this. We all know too

764
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: much about them.

765
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really.

766
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: Is like, oh, you are fucking hateful people.

767
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, and then it's gonna be like really obvious

768
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: who's just being like pretend nice in order to get up,

769
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, like who's like just kissing ass in

770
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: order to like start fuck their way up or whatever? Yeah,

771
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: because you'd be like, no, I know, you know they're bad.

772
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it's I that is a thing that

773
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: I'm I'm risk because I mean it feels like, as

774
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: as you've mentioned a couple of times, and I think

775
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: is like this sort of vague we'll say management class

776
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: fear is that there's like a contagion effect here.

777
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: This is you know, this is why, And.

778
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: I suppose there is because watching some workers take power

779
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: in winter victory shows the vulnerability of you know, these.

780
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Leeches that call themselves our bosses.

781
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: However, there is another side of it, which is like this,

782
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: this labor action, Like for me, this strike is like

783
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 3: and I think for many people who are like even

784
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: less like thoughtful about this sort of thing or have

785
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: this as their personal politics. Outside of the Writer's Guild,

786
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: we're all learning way more about labor, about and about

787
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: our bosses specifically that I'm just like, this feels like

788
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: honestly more poisonous going forward if I were a fucking

789
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: studio head then like you know, just like paying people

790
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: livable wages.

791
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the it's like we hate them,

792
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: we hate them, and now we know their names.

793
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: I didn't know las name prior to this, Like what

794
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: the fuck?

795
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

796
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: Why?

797
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that they're going to war against the

798
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: people who make them rich. Like yeah, it because like

799
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: to talk about like like nonprofits in unions, right, one

800
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: of the reasons nonprofits are like like fake woke companies

801
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: or whatever will be like, oh, we don't want a

802
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: union because it creates an antagonistic relationship between the workers

803
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: and the bosses. And that can be true. It actually

804
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be true. All you got to do

805
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: is be really good to your workers and stop exploiting them.

806
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: The problem is that our entire economic system, capitalism, is

807
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: based on the idea of exploiting workers. It's literally based

808
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: on the idea of like making other people produce more

809
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: value and then skimming off that extra value. But I

810
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: don't know it, it doesn't have to be right. It

811
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: could just you could have a union and then the

812
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: bosses could be like sick, now I know that you

813
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: all have protected and everything's fine, you know, like whatever, Like.

814
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny.

815
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: It's like a union can create an antagonistic relationship, and

816
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: it's so weird that that rhetoric you can even get

817
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: away with that because it's like, yeah, yeah, you know

818
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: what else creates an antagonistic relationship prior to the existence

819
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: of a union, is you being antagonistic?

820
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, the boss is totally.

821
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like yeah, it's like the there's that classic like

822
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: style of headline. That's like the violence started at the

823
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: protest when one person threw a tear gas canister back

824
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: at the police, And you're like, yeah, clearly the violence

825
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: started from the other direction. Sorry, when you mean violence,

826
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: you mean against the systems of power? Oh right, yeah yeah.

827
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: Or like some passive voice bullshit. But it is like, yeah,

828
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: some subversion.

829
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: Of that perpetually we're like, yeah, the fuck are you

830
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: talking about? Like how do we I mean, yeah, we

831
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: get let them get away with it because they're in charge,

832
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: and most people don't think about it.

833
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: But now we're all thinking about it.

834
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's I mean, more of us start

835
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: thinking about it. Yeah, and that's good. So after the

836
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: strike Hid Blink he gets into boxing and basketball and

837
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: organized crime in Chinatown, and at one point he gets

838
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: arrested for murder because he was bragging about killing a guy,

839
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: but then he's released when they realized he was literally

840
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: just lying and bragging about killing the guy needed and

841
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: actually kill a guy. In nineteen twelve, he was arrested

842
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: for possession of dynamite and I really want to know

843
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: why he had a stick of dynamite. I just I

844
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: want to know so bad. But I don't. And then

845
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: he died in his early thirties nineteen July nineteen thirteen

846
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: of Friend of the Pod Tuberculosis Jesus. Which is the

847
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: other thing to think about when you're like anything taking

848
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: place one hundred fifty years ago. It's like, look, all

849
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: of our lives are kind of short in the grand

850
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: scheme of things, right, but your life is extra short.

851
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: But well, tuberculosis is still weal. Tuberculous is still a

852
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: major killer worldwide, but in developed nations that have a

853
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: better success at stopping the spread of it. Anyway, conditions

854
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: for newsies actually got worse throughout the twentieth century. Unfortunately,

855
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: unionized newsies held on to decent splits way better than elsewhere.

856
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: I know.

857
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: I was like kind of being like there were like

858
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: an insurrection or union that existed and then just stopped existing.

859
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: The ones that held on to unions for longer kept

860
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: better percentages for decades longer than the other newsies. Yeah,

861
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: but the rates just kept getting worse.

862
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that, Yeah, that lesson which is like

863
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: you know again, I I especially as far as race

864
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: politics go, you know, don't love all of the organized labor,

865
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: but it is indisputable that like this is it's like

866
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: the only way to have a real middle class is

867
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: through the unions and things like them. I guess, like,

868
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like it's it's the only way.

869
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and his only way for in a lot

870
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: of places, it's the only way for people to express

871
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: any kind of agency. I'm like, yea, I you know,

872
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: it's like it's funny because in some ways I like

873
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: the sort of more heroic period of labor, but on

874
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: the other hand, during the you know, kind of late

875
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: nineteenth early twentieth century chunk of it. But on the

876
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: other hand, that's when more of the large labor places

877
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: were like more fucked up and like more resist and shit.

878
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I think that's the thing. It's

879
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: like the right thing. And look, it's the same with like,

880
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: you know, so many pieces of history. It's like, yes,

881
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: but you know, who's considered human at right time.

882
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Totally. But well it's a couple of paragraphs from now.

883
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: It's going to tie into a labor union around this

884
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: time that was doing good and was inspired by the kids.

885
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: So besides winning some demands, the eighteen ninety nine strike

886
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: brought a lot of attention to child labor in the US.

887
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: The National Child Labor Committee was formed in nineteen oh

888
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: four to try and draw attention to the plight of

889
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: working children. But it wasn't until nineteen thirty eight that

890
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: the Fair Labor Standards Act outlawed most forms of child labor.

891
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: That said, and this is MESSI the newsies weren't fighting

892
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: against their right to work, right. They they wanted to

893
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: have jobs. Well meaning reformers wanted them to not be

894
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: able to work. What they wanted was to be treated

895
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: right and to be paid well. To actually stop child labor,

896
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: we have to pretty much change the entire economic system

897
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: so that people aren't poor shit and therefore sort of

898
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: need to go work or send their kids to work. Meanwhile,

899
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: currently about a half a million children pick about twenty

900
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: five percent of the food we eat in the US

901
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: because agriculture was mostly exempted from the nineteen thirty eight law.

902
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: This exemption was crafted ostensibly. I believe it was crafted

903
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: so that like because like small farmers were like, look you,

904
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Susie's got to milk the cow. Yeah, this was quickly

905
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: exploited to exploit children in mass once you know, and

906
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: once again, like eighteen ninety nine, mostly immigrant children, and

907
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: you know the children of immigrants, and of course Republicans

908
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: are trying to roll all back what child prediction laws

909
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: there currently are. So the fight continues, as I guess

910
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. Puliser, speaking of the like bosses,

911
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: the antagonistic workforce, Pulisher tried really hard after this to

912
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: reform his image with Newsi's he either actually cared or

913
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: he tried to reform his image. I don't know if

914
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: there's one of them who would have sort of actually

915
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: it would have been Pulitzer's. He's a little bit more right.

916
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to be the good, good guy.

917
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah I got stuff slavery, you know, more than I did.

918
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: But and so he started offering he did the pizza

919
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: party version of good boss. Right, he brought his kids,

920
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: like the Newsies would go to the movies, and he

921
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: would like rent out the movie hall and let all

922
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: the Newsies watch movies. And he would like sponsor holiday

923
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: feasts and stuff at the lodge. I believe, right, And like,

924
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, I a raise is better than a pizza party.

925
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 5: But like I don't know what, Yeah, yeah, it's it is,

926
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 5: like yeah, I mean obviously like the nice boss, cool

927
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: boss kind of thing is like not.

928
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: It's it's insufficient in such a thorough way.

929
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, look it's better.

930
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Than Herst Yeah, totally, yeah, it's better than the eld

931
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: really like Hitler guy. Yeah. And the thing that I, okay,

932
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: my favorite union from this time period anyone who's listening

933
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: to this show knows is the Industrial Workers of the World,

934
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: the union that one of the founders was a black

935
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: anarchist woman. They worked incredibly hard to fight racism in

936
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: the labor world, especially on the West Coast where that

937
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: was the most prevalent. Well, racism in the labor union

938
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: was everywhere, but specifically there was a lot of racism

939
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: in the labor movement in on the West coast of

940
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: the United States and late nineteenth century against the East

941
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Asian immigrants. So this strike, the Newsy's Strike, was referred

942
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: to in nineteen oh five by Daniel de Lyon during

943
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: the creation of Friend of the Pod labor union the

944
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Industrial Workers of the World, And I'm going to read

945
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: a bit of his quote because I like this quote.

946
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: Quote.

947
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: These little tots who by their very appearance herald in

948
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: the open, the merciless cruelty of capitalism, even against the

949
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: defenseless child, under clad, underfed, undershod deprived of the innocent

950
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: joys of childhood that are so essential to the building

951
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: up of the future. Man stunted and schooling, prematurely thrown

952
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: into the temptation of vice, walking, running, yelling monuments to

953
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: capitalist cannibalism. These waifs walked before Typographical Union number six

954
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: and asked for support, for the support of men, many

955
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: of whom were the fathers themselves, and who had they

956
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: struck with the boys, certainly would have insured them victory.

957
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Did they? Of course they wouldn't. They slobbered over the

958
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: boys their sympathies. They bestowed upon them all the sweet

959
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: words that butter no parsnips, and the boys went down

960
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: in defeat. This is like to pull out of it.

961
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: I actually think that this was a fairly successful strike

962
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: because of the thing that they won. But they did

963
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: lose their main demand, and so that's why it's being

964
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: referred to as a loss in this sense. To finish

965
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: the quote, because this is my favorite part of it quote,

966
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: it should be here added that when a year or

967
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: so later, the identical type of graphical union had strike

968
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: against the sun. Those bearded men went down upon their

969
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: knees before the identical boys, whom they had left ill

970
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: of a lurch, and implored their support. Let the fact

971
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: be recorded as all evidence of the inherent nobility of

972
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: the human hearts, and in honor of childhood the ever

973
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: renewing promise that human feeling and human instinct shall not

974
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: perish from the earth, that, when appealed to, the boys

975
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: returned evil with good and helped the printers fight their strike.

976
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think I realized.

977
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but no, I.

978
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, I know, that's that's how I feel about.

979
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, fuck yeah. Like and also, God, people

980
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: like knew how to fucking write their labor speeches back

981
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: in the day. It's a little heady, but uh. And

982
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: obviously I think the most important comparison here to draw

983
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: about the Newsies and their labor action is that, like

984
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: the writers of Rohan, who were abandoned by the armies

985
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: of Gondor at their hour of need and helms deep,

986
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: how they chose to ride forth and do the assemble

987
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: armies of Mordor, showing solidarity even with those who had

988
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: turned their back. The Newsies threw down next year when

989
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: when the typographers needed help, and uh.

990
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is though.

991
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: It's this thing where like, you know, I mean, yeah,

992
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: obviously right now everyone's short for instance, with DGA or whatever.

993
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: But like I think for me more it's like seeing

994
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: like the Teamsters contract is up, I believe next year

995
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 3: and now it's more clear than ever, like you know,

996
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 3: we'll be with them. The UTLA strike the teachers union

997
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: was a couple got months ago now as we're talking,

998
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was a writer's build support there, and

999
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: I think it's like a thing where like, yeah, everyone

1000
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: is like you know, wishing and aware, wishing they had

1001
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: done more of prior and aware of everything in the future.

1002
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you.

1003
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: All are the Rohrem ready to ride to the aid of.

1004
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, we'll see.

1005
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to put too much in

1006
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 3: the writer's skilled I don't know.

1007
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: I think that I think that solidarity is both a

1008
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: very natural thing for humans to do, but also something

1009
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: that like needs to be like practiced and developed as

1010
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: a skill as like a you know, cause like okay,

1011
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: like in like self defense training, they talk about like

1012
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: you do what you're trained to do in times of crisis.

1013
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: And so actually sometimes this is a problem. Right, Like

1014
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: in a fight, someone might like if someone's used to

1015
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: fighting like MMA, they might like try to destroy their opponent, right,

1016
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: whereas actually all they need to do is like hit

1017
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: them in then run away or whatever. Right, But no

1018
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: one's treat teaching self defense where you're like, oh, hit

1019
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: and then run away. Okay. So solidarity is like the

1020
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: more we practice it, the more people do it. And

1021
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: it's when because when there's crisis, you do what you

1022
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: have previously practiced and sort of like I've made certain

1023
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: decisions a kind of do Yeah. So I think that

1024
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a thing that we can encourage people to be,

1025
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: like be your best self, be someone who doesn't scab,

1026
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: be someone who is in solidarity outside your own struggles. Yeah,

1027
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: and and willing to sacrifice when it's not your fight.

1028
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean again, I've concain it a lot. But like

1029
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, we are able to do things.

1030
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 3: With this writer's gold strike because teamsters are personally sacrificing.

1031
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: They are taking, they're using paychecks, they are refusing to

1032
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: cross picket lines with real consequence to themselves for a

1033
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: fight that is not strictly speaking, theirs, so like right,

1034
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: you know, beyond appreciative and like seeing that thing. And

1035
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: I think it is also just teamsters because they have

1036
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: a stronger union culture, are just more aware.

1037
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: This is the ship you got to do. Yeah, and

1038
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: they're they're practiced at it, as you said.

1039
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: And that's how we that's how we win. It's like

1040
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: we are overall safer to live in a society where

1041
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: we take risks for one another. You know, even though

1042
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: if I choose to interfere in something that's happening around me,

1043
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: that makes me less safe, right because I could just

1044
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: walk away. But by living in a society where we

1045
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: do interfere and stop acts of bigotry or exploitation or whatever,

1046
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm then safer because I live in that society. I

1047
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: get really anyway, Okay, So.

1048
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talked about this last time, which

1049
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: is like my entry into doing sort of any mutual

1050
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: aid work was you know, even in a completely self

1051
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: interested like manner like it is because it is better

1052
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: for me personally Andrew only even to do.

1053
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: This stuff totally totally. I'm gonna I'm gonna speed run

1054
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: through some newsies, some more newsy strikes that came after,

1055
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: because this was not the end. Sure, it's near the

1056
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: end of the episode, but it's not near the end

1057
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: of the Newsy struggle. The Newsy Struggle is probably mostly

1058
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: over because newspapers have been destroyed. But in nineteen oh one,

1059
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: the Boston newsies formed the Boston Newsboys Protective Union, and

1060
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: they wanted the bare minimum. They were like mad that

1061
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: the newspapers were giving discounts early buyers, that thing that

1062
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: encourages kids to skip school, and they were like the

1063
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: union went as a paper. The union went to the

1064
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: paper and was like, can we have ten percent buybacks?

1065
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: And they were like no, your children fuck off and die.

1066
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: So then they went on strike and just like destroyed

1067
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: the paper circulation and the publisher gave him full fucking refunds,

1068
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: not just the ten percent they had asked for. And

1069
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: then later and they formally after this, they formally affiliated

1070
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: with the AFL the American Federation of Labor, which is

1071
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: now currently the AFL CIO. But in nineteen oh eight,

1072
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: the same union went on strike with a paper called

1073
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: The American, and the larger typographical union was like against them, right,

1074
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: and they were like no, And they ended up kind

1075
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: of even though there's like grown ass men going around

1076
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: beating up children strikers or whatever. Eventually they got the

1077
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: entire AFL to condemn the strike. It petered out due

1078
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Speaker 1: to lack of solidarity from adults. So not looking good.

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Speaker 1: AFL is going to get a win a little later

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Speaker 1: in this list, but not a win here. Who did

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Speaker 1: have their backs the Hebrew Bakers Union Local forty five,

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Speaker 1: they had their backs and they refused to take money

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Speaker 1: from the American and yeah, and then the other thing,

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Speaker 1: and part of this was that the way that they

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Speaker 1: used it in within the AFL is that they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: these are they're merchants. These these children, they're not employees,

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Speaker 1: they're merchants, so they don't deserve labor protections. Like fuck

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about this whole time. It's like whatever,

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Speaker 1: it's the same shit. That's also go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Oh d yeah, the tidy soapbox there is that, Like, God,

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Speaker 3: remember a time when that rhetoric at least would work,

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Speaker 3: Like who doesn't deserve union protection? Because my big gripe

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Speaker 3: really with the Southern California Federation of Labor is the

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Speaker 3: presence of the LA Police Protective League.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: No one is less deserving of in solidarity than the

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Speaker 3: goddamn cops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I yep. In Chicago, the Newsboys formed the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Newsboys Protective Association and they fought against a bosses union.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, this comes up time and time again

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Speaker 1: when I researched the show that like whenever there's like

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Speaker 1: a labor union doing some stuff, all the bosses get

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Speaker 1: together and form a conservative and anti union union, right,

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Speaker 1: and so the Daily Publishers Newspaper Daily Newspaper Publishers Association

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Speaker 1: had like set all of these standards and collaborated against

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Speaker 1: their against their children, the children who did their shit.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, yeah, that should be telling, by

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Speaker 3: the way, for anyone who's like anti union, I guess

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Speaker 3: very very improbable that anyone is listening this long to

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Speaker 3: this and remains anti union. But as far as rhetoric goes,

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Speaker 3: like you know, with your for instance, like my father

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Speaker 3: is like kind of an idiot anti union person, and

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Speaker 3: it is like sort of telling that like the second

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Speaker 3: rubber hits any kind of road, the bosses immediately unionized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like they know it's fucking.

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Speaker 3: Powerful, Yeah, and they want nothing more than to break

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Speaker 3: up the opposing union.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like they know it's.

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Speaker 1: Powerful, totally, Like we have to crew up and when

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Speaker 1: powerful people do it, it makes them exponentially. It's an association, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally yeah, but uh, Chamber of Commerce, fuck all that.

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Speaker 1: And so in Chicago they in nineteen oh nine they

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Speaker 1: affiliate with the AFL. They joined the Pressman's strike in

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Speaker 1: nineteen twelve, destroying papers in solidarity with lockdown union workers.

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Speaker 1: Newsy's being the writers of Rohem again. In nineteen oh

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Speaker 1: six in Goldfield, Nevada, a huge judge. A judge issued

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Speaker 1: an injunction against the Newsboys union, and I believe the IWW,

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Speaker 1: and I don't entirely know why. They must have been

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Speaker 1: doing something cool together during the nineteen ten Spokane free

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Speaker 1: speech fight, which I encourage everyone to go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to our episode about that we did with Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: Sometime last fall, the Newsboys were hanging out handing out

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Speaker 1: the IWW papers and getting arrested for it. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: fourteen in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Newsboys destroyed newspapers and response to

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Speaker 1: the rise of the price of the paper, and the

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Speaker 1: IWW organized street meetings on their behalf from my point

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Speaker 1: of view, basically, everything gets cooler once the IWW existed,

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Speaker 1: once there was like a union being like, what if

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Speaker 1: we all have each other's backs and aren't racists? New

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Speaker 1: York City had notable Newsy strikes in only a couple

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Speaker 1: of years eighteen eighty six, eighteen eighty nine, eighteen ninety

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Speaker 1: eighteen ninety three, eighteen ninety eight, eighteen ninety nine, nineteen

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Speaker 1: oh eight, nineteen eighteen, nineteen twenty two, nineteen forty one,

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Speaker 1: and nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Perpetual, perpetual.

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Speaker 1: And I want to close with I had never heard

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Speaker 1: of this strike, and I'm annoyed at myself. I'd never

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Speaker 1: heard of it. Have you ever heard of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineteen Seattle General Strike. No, it's one of the coolest

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Speaker 1: strikes that's ever happened in the US. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to do it at great length, but the newsboys were

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Speaker 1: in on it. That's the tie in here, and so

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Speaker 1: was the AFL in Seattle. Actually, the AFL and Seattle

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: was actually being cool, and they were actually deviating from

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01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: the party line of the larger AFL at the time.

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: They worked together with the IWW, which had a lot

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Speaker 1: of in the Pacific Northwest had a significant East Asian

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Speaker 1: membership as well as independent Japanese worker associations, and they

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Speaker 1: called for a general strike because the socialist former head

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: of the Seattle AFL had been arrested and tortured in

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Speaker 1: jail for oposing the draft in World War One. So

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01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: the Seattle longshoremen refused to load arms and manutions destined

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Speaker 1: to help the counter revolution in Russia. Union membership quadruple,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, you know what, let's show people

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Speaker 1: that the workers cannot just shut down a city by

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Speaker 1: withholding labor, but like run it on their own terms.

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Speaker 1: And so most of the cities shut down completely, but

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Speaker 1: the workers continued essential services. Firefighters stayed at work, laundry

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Speaker 1: workers kept one shop open to handle hospital laundry. Civil

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Speaker 1: order was controlled by the Labor War Veterans Guard. Who

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Speaker 1: their purpose was is the quote The purpose of this

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Speaker 1: organization is to preserve law and order without the use

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Speaker 1: of force. No volunteer will have any police power or

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Speaker 1: be allowed to carry weapons of any sort, but to

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Speaker 1: use persuasion. Only twelve fit kitchens fed everyone milk. Wagon

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Speaker 1: drivers supplied milk to babies, and it worked for a while.

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Speaker 1: The mayor said, quote the mare didn't like it. Quote

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Speaker 1: streetcar gong ceased their clamor newsboys cast their unsold papers

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Speaker 1: into the street. From the doors of mill and factory,

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Speaker 1: store and workshops streamed sixty five thousand workmen, school children,

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Speaker 1: with fear in their hearts, hurried homeward. The life stream

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Speaker 1: of a great city stopped. Major General Morrison completely contradicted

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Speaker 1: the children running away in fear thing. They clearly didn't

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Speaker 1: write their notes together because Major General Morrison said in

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Speaker 1: forty years of military service, he'd never seen a city

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Speaker 1: so quiet and orderly. And the strike lasted six days,

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: and it was brought down by the way that these

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01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: things are often brought down by the police and vigilantes

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Speaker 1: attacking everyone and arresting all the reds and storming labor

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Speaker 1: halls and such. But that's a story for another day.

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Speaker 1: Today's story is the story of you, Andrew, and how

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Speaker 1: people can support your strike and or your work.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, supporting the strike.

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Speaker 3: I think there's been very clear messaging from the WGA.

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Speaker 3: I know there is oh I don't have it handy,

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Speaker 3: but there was a strike fund. You can it's all

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: and search for a w GA strike fund but and

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Speaker 3: there's an Entertainment Strike Fund, not merely for writers who

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Speaker 3: need assistants in this time, but especially for.

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Speaker 2: Folks in other unions.

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Speaker 3: People for whom, you know, if production is shut down,

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Speaker 3: that is that is their income as well, and they

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Speaker 3: are not writers, They're not necessarily going to directly benefit

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Speaker 3: from any of our actions. So yeah, please look up

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Speaker 3: and donate to that. And you know, I'm just at

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Speaker 3: yos is racist. We do a premium podcast at suboptimalpods

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Speaker 3: dot com. You know, people have been supporting us and

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Speaker 3: that's been really wonderful as well, and really helpful in

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Speaker 3: this time for.

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Speaker 2: Me and my co host Tony. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: else I say.

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Speaker 1: That's it, that seems good. And yos is racist. I've

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Speaker 1: said this last time Andrew came on. But I was

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Speaker 1: like a little bit like, oh my god, I guess

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Speaker 1: have Andrew on my podcast, because you know, is this racist?

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Speaker 1: When it was on Tumblr was like all of our shit,

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Speaker 1: we all just fucking loved it and read it every

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Speaker 1: day and like it really I think pushed the conversation

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Speaker 1: in like useful ways and was just so just like

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Speaker 1: funny and not like not mean spirited or something but

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Speaker 1: still like not pulling punches. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. That's very nice of you to say. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was mean spirited but at the

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Speaker 2: right people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's kind of what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely petty and mean spirited, because that is

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Speaker 3: who I am. But yeah, I just feel like at

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Speaker 3: least that it was pointed in the right direction, which

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Speaker 3: it rarely is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's a better way to

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Speaker 1: put it.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry I'm a bad person.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know more about what I do.

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Speaker 1: is I'm kickstarting a tabletop role playing game called a

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Speaker 1: Number City, and it has passed all of its stretch golds,

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Speaker 1: so we had to make up new ones, which means

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Speaker 1: that if you back it at any level, not only

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Speaker 1: do you get the main book, but you get two

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Speaker 1: other books, one of which will be a novella that

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Speaker 1: I'm writing said in the world. You'll get digital versions

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Speaker 1: of it. We don't have enough money to suddenly mail

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Speaker 1: And then also so we made new stretch goals and

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Speaker 1: at fifty thousand dollars, everyone's going to get a map

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Speaker 1: of the city, and at one hundred thousand dollars, we're

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Speaker 1: going to like get this one sort of a joke one,

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Speaker 1: but we'll do it if we get there. We probably won't,

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Speaker 1: but we're all going to get in a hot tub

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Speaker 1: cost playing as characters from the game and have a

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Speaker 1: pizza party. I was writing this script about the pizza

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Speaker 1: party thing while I was also talking with the rest

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Speaker 1: of the collective about what stretch golds to come up with.

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Speaker 1: And that's why there's a pizza party.

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Speaker 2: Cool gotta do it.

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Speaker 1: But there's also a game and it's fun. Sophie, what

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