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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today's guest is a

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Speaker 1: white tail strategy expert. He's published more than six hundred

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Speaker 1: deer related articles, thirteen hundred videos, five books, and four

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Speaker 1: web classes. But surprisingly, Jeff Sturs just wasn't born into

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Speaker 1: a hunting family. He was born into a non hunting family,

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Speaker 1: so he had to figure it out all on his own.

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Speaker 1: He had learned how to squirrel hunt, rabbit hunt, and

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Speaker 1: then eventually deer hunt. He did most of this largely

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Speaker 1: on public land. He continues to hunt both public and

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Speaker 1: private land in several states each year on DIY hunts,

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Speaker 1: and he's used his experience as to design private hunting

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Speaker 1: parcels for close to fifteen hundred clients in twenty six

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Speaker 1: states since two thousand and five. So he founded white

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Speaker 1: Tail Habitat Solutions in two thousand and four after being

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Speaker 1: awarded qdma's Deer Manager of the Year, and at the

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Speaker 1: present time has a team of experienced habitat professionals that

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Speaker 1: combine to work on three hundred clients proper and dozens

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Speaker 1: of states each year. He continuously involves his family in

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Speaker 1: all of his outdoor endeavors when he's not busy creating

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Speaker 1: hundreds of videos each year for his social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: He loves to fish, and he's also one of the

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Speaker 1: driving forces behind his family run food plot seed company

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Speaker 1: Pure Wildlife Blends that they established in twenty twenty two. So,

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Speaker 1: as you can see, Jeff has quite the resume when

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Speaker 1: it comes to helping whitetail hunters, but he still places

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Speaker 1: a priority on spending time with his wife, jen Son

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Speaker 1: Jackson and the rest of their families.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Jeff, Yeah, thanks, Jason. Great to

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Speaker 2: be on with you.

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Speaker 1: So how was your season? You mentioned you guys just

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Speaker 1: kind of wrapped up your twenty three season or last week,

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Speaker 1: I believe, So how did it go for you?

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Speaker 2: It was a really good one. It was a nice shot,

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Speaker 2: a real nice bock couple targetbox one in Wisconsin, one

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota with a bowl, and that's really my priority.

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Speaker 2: But we also got to go out and hunt Public

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Speaker 2: Land in Pennsylvania. That's a place near and dear to

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Speaker 2: my heart. I've been I start hunting there in ninety three.

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Speaker 2: This is my twenty first gun season opener and that's

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Speaker 2: always a special place. So Jen got to go with

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Speaker 2: me Dylan and ended up shooting the buck on the

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Speaker 2: second day, got to pack it out and that was

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. And then Jen shot a beautiful

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Speaker 2: buck a couple of weeks ago in the blind with Jackson,

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Speaker 2: our twenty month old, and that's always that's always a chore.

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Speaker 2: We both hunted with him this year, kind of like

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Speaker 2: we take turns and she still has bow tags available,

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Speaker 2: so she'll be hunting and I'll be on Jackson duty too.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a really good season so far, and

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Speaker 2: we're not over with Jen hit in the woods too.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's almost depressing when it Sunday. I

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Speaker 2: counted down the days, the hours, minutes, and Sunday was

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Speaker 2: my last set.

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Speaker 1: So gotcha. And I'm sure you've created lots of good

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Speaker 1: friends through your your consulting work. You stay in touch

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Speaker 1: with your clients. How was their season? Was it good

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Speaker 1: for them? Was it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I get a lot of updates, and it's crazy

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Speaker 2: because we have so many clients or some that I've

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Speaker 2: talked to. Some are really close friends, clients that I

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Speaker 2: had back in eight nine, twenty ten they keep in

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Speaker 2: each year out of seventy eighty. Ben does many of

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Speaker 2: the one hundred and twenty five in one year that

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Speaker 2: you end up keeping in touch with long term, as

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Speaker 2: far as more of a friend where you actually see

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Speaker 2: them at other clients or I've had a few stop

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Speaker 2: we get a lot of really good feedback and we

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Speaker 2: just actually I used to collect client testimonials, feedback their

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Speaker 2: hunting experiences back in the day. This is going back

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Speaker 2: fifteen years, but we just started doing that in the

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Speaker 2: And it's been overwhelming as far as you get lots

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Speaker 2: of pictures, lots of stories, and that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned that, that's kind of the feel, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we started making calls, you know, it was it

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Speaker 1: was cooler to see I didn't I didn't care so

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Speaker 1: you know, So when you got the emails or the

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Speaker 1: I mean, you need the business to to for a livelihood,

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Speaker 1: but it's like that was that was what did it

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Speaker 1: with something that we designed and and well, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if you're not it's I talked to We put

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Speaker 2: a I put a hunting video out just a couple

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Speaker 2: But it's all about teaching on the YouTube channel social media.

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Speaker 2: And so for not teaching somebody something, if it's not

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Speaker 2: something someone can learn from, then we'll waste our time

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't hit. So other people are more entertaining.

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Speaker 2: I'm not an entertaining person. I need to actually offer

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Speaker 2: good information or it's going to be a dut And

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Speaker 2: so that's a fun process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you. When when they asked

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Speaker 1: me to take over cutting the distance, I said, as

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Speaker 1: long as you guys are in for a very technical

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Speaker 1: and tactical podcast, I can do that. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna sit and like make everybody light up with jokes

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Speaker 1: or be that entertainer. Sorry, I know where you're coming from. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that's great. So, like all Cutting the Distance episodes,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into some Q and A that we

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Speaker 1: either gather from social media, we have people email us.

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Speaker 1: If you have questions for me or my guests on

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Speaker 1: future episodes, please email us at CTD at Phelps game

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Speaker 1: Calls dot com. So the first one was one that's

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Speaker 1: just more of a generality I've got. You know, is

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Speaker 1: question that goes around out there. So as you're design

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Speaker 1: you taking habitat or genetics to start with?

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Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. Genetics you really can't change, especially in

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Speaker 2: of like I go to clients, said, I have one

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Speaker 2: client in southeast Ohio and they and their neighbor have

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Speaker 2: seen at least a two hundred inch animal every single

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Speaker 2: and obviously the genetics everything is coming together there. I

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Speaker 2: it's you know, that's all a matter of it's all relative,

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Speaker 1: Gotcha. And this kind of rolls right into the next

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Speaker 1: one when you get consulted, what are the majority of

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Speaker 1: they Are they always wanting top end bucks? Are they

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Speaker 1: just manage the best for the deer and then let

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Speaker 2: And I think that's more we look at is you

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Speaker 2: know what's interesting because I work with a lot of

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting is is that you're really trying to

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Speaker 2: So we're looking at One of the things I talk

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Speaker 2: what you need to for white tails, now strategy aside.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so much strategy. How it has to

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Speaker 2: and off the property that I was spooking deer. That's

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Speaker 2: then those are really important indicator species. If you get

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, I like that. And then the last question

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Speaker 1: of time when you'd recommend somebody, you know, come out

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one in our area, it'd be can

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Speaker 2: we ask what kind of buck they're hunting for? What

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Speaker 2: I mean by that, is it one that they feel

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Speaker 2: that's the case, I'd really like to hunt on the

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Speaker 2: last several days of October, first several days of November.

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Speaker 2: If it's one that they see years prior, that they

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Speaker 2: typically see in the middle of the night in October,

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Speaker 2: but they get daylight sometime in early November during the

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Speaker 2: rut November tenth, November fifth, whatever that might be. Then

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Speaker 2: I'd have them pick more of the first ten days

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Speaker 2: actually cruising and coming a long distance where you're not

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Speaker 2: going to see that necessarily in the pre rott last

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Speaker 2: local box, call them core box, and then the non cores.

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Speaker 2: So it depends on the property. But sometime around there,

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Speaker 2: I always like, I shot my bucks October twenty seventh

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Speaker 2: October thirtieth, so that's my favorite time to get in

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Speaker 2: on someone else's property on the seventh of November.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm a very inexperienced white til hunter, but

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Speaker 1: have absolutely fallen in love with it. But my first

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Speaker 1: and then this year we went out because it didn't

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Speaker 1: November fifteenth to the twenty second, and at least where

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Speaker 2: And then you look at public land, you're just instead

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Speaker 1: you can't put big like are you a big fan

432
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: of like the Heidi Hoole food plots, like something that's

433
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: back away from the bigger ag to get them through

434
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: there like in the daylight, or like what's your opinion

435
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: on that? Because not everybody's got you know, five hundred

436
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: or four hundred acres, some people are dealing with these

437
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: smaller ones. Like what would be a recommendation like on

438
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: these small food plots to get them to hit it

439
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: prior to AG or what's your opinion on that?

440
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, you got to look at it too. If if

441
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: the AG is no good, then you could have a

442
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: nice eighth of an acre quarter acre food plot. And

443
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 2: if the AG's no good, then there's not gonna be

444
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 2: any deer to go through that hunting plot. Anyways, so

445
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: that in itself, a small food plot isn't going to

446
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: put deer on your land or through that movement. So like,

447
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: for example, one of the property a hunt in Wisconsin,

448
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: I've hunted that since twenty fourteen. Then I hunted the

449
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: neighbors since two thousand and two. Some real familiar with

450
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: that area. But we have about thirty acres of woods

451
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: and we have about eight acres fields that we can

452
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: work with, and out of those eight acres, only about

453
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: three acres is flat enough to plant food plot, and

454
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: we do. And that three acres sets the tone and

455
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: structure for the movement on that parcel for the entire

456
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: hunting season. And so we have yet to hunt those

457
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: food plots with a bow since twenty fourteen because we

458
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: can't get into them without spooking deer. They're in a

459
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: big valley and that's like an arena of hillside all

460
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: around them. But what we do travel to is we

461
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: get around those points and we hunt deer on the

462
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: way to those food plots, or we hunt deer up

463
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: in the betting areas. So a lot of times we're

464
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: killing deer up in the bedding areas in mornings afternoons

465
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: when they're exiting a bedding area or on the way

466
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: to food, down close to the food, but not so

467
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: close that we spook the deer. So even on a

468
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: small parcel like that, the only exceptions are I've worked

469
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: on five eight acre parcels where they just they're not

470
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: going to have the room for food, and it has

471
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: to be more like a pass. And obviously if they're

472
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: personal is that small. Typically there's neighborhoods involved, subdivisions. It's

473
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: less rural, it's not out now. If you had ten

474
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: acres and it was surrounded by national force or a

475
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: remote area, you'd want to plant five or six acres

476
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: and food plots if you could. And then you'd draw

477
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: a deer from a mile and a half two miles

478
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: in any direction, and I'd probably go try to kill

479
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: them out on the public land and maybe sit on

480
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: that food in the afternoon evening during certain times. But

481
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: so those little heidi hole plots, we love them, but

482
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: they have to be supported by consistent food. And so

483
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,479
Speaker 2: we'll have a three quarter acre plot here and then

484
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: a tenth of an acre food plot off to the

485
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: side fifty eighty yards away. Will hunt those gears. They're

486
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: coming back and forth. So it really depends you have

487
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: to have those anchoring food plots to anchor that movement.

488
00:23:46,840 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: Yet, if you mentioned, you know, in certain situations having

489
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: to you know, kill them in their betting, how how

490
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: close are you willing to get now when you say

491
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: killing them like they're the X where they want to

492
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: bed or are you how close are you willing to

493
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: get to that point.

494
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: Just on the outside edge where I feel him safe

495
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: and so safe place to blow my scent, safe way

496
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: to get in and out without spooking him in that

497
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: betting area. And then what that allows you to do.

498
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. We have a ridge system

499
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: on the property Wisconsin on the one side, and you

500
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: can count on deer betting on that backside of the

501
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: ridge system in the hollow and valley between there and

502
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: the neighbors. And so we'll get up to the top

503
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: of that ridge system towards the crest. But you never

504
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: want to break that crest and go down on the

505
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: backside because you can spook out the whole hollow. So

506
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: the buck I can think of some of the buck

507
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: betting areas in that valley in there one hundred and

508
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred yards fromhere, we're sitting one hundred yards

509
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 2: fromhere we're sitting, and as long as those bucks are

510
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: there every day, then we have a chance to shoot

511
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: them because they'll come up to our ridge system on

512
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: the funnels, we're hunting, on a water hole, we're hunting,

513
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: while they're cruising for doughs on the way down to

514
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: our food. There's a lot of different reasons they could

515
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: go through there. And so what I find is you

516
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: just chip away at the outside of that betting area safely,

517
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: and as long as you maintain them in that location,

518
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: then you'll you'll kill them eventually. You know, eighty percent

519
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: of the time, over a long period of time, you'll

520
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: you'll shoot eighty percent of those target bucks by just

521
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: chipping away at that move and play a safe.

522
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: And one of the things where we're talking about betting

523
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: getting close to it. So I'm going to continue down that.

524
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things for me is like

525
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: how do you know that's a betting area? And this

526
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: might be a dumb question for you white tail experts

527
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: for people that have been there, like how do you

528
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: how are you for sure? Or do you do like

529
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: your best guess or you know, let's say you see

530
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: a buck on one of your food plots and you

531
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: come from this direction to that direction, Like, how are

532
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: you placing the X on the ground without maybe knowing

533
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: exactly where he's getting into or where he's actually betting?

534
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: Are you giving it?

535
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: Like they's just like that's a great question. You know. Obviously,

536
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: if they're coming in right around dark from a certain direction,

537
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: you can pinpoint where they're betting is because the majority

538
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: of the season on an average whitetail property, and when

539
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: we get into big wilderness parcels, they might travel three

540
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: quarters a mile during daylight to go from betting in

541
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: a swamp area to a food source, especially if it's

542
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: the bait pile or something I think at Upa, Michigan.

543
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: They get pushed off a long ways, but then they'll

544
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: hit that bait pile an hour after dark and they

545
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: probably came from three quarters a mile away at least

546
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: to get there. On a normal whitetail parcel, though, those

547
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: bucks are not going to move more than three hundred

548
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: yards during the daylight, especially the older they get, or

549
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: they'd be dead. And so it's pretty easy to say, Okay,

550
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: this buck is shown up right around dark hour, a

551
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: half hour after, you just go the direction he's coming from,

552
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: and you probably know the thick cover that he's at,

553
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: and then you back up a little bit. Dozen fawns

554
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: will typically bed right next to that major food source.

555
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: That buck's not going to bed there, and then you

556
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: might have younger bucks, and then you have that older buck.

557
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: And I call that depth of cover. If I've gone

558
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: to a property southern Michigan, I can think of as

559
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: four hundred acres near Jackson County, beautiful buck area. In

560
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: every hundred yards one hundred and twenty five yards, they

561
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: had another food plot twenty eight over twenty acres food plots.

562
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: In that case, that buck never had that depth of cover.

563
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: So they grow up and they year and a half,

564
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: two and a half, all of a sudden they're gone

565
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: at three and a half four and a half. Neighbor

566
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: shoots them two miles away as one hundred and eighty

567
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: inch five year old. And the point was that grew

568
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: out of its level of reclusiveness needs. It grew out

569
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: of the depth of cover requirement that it needs. It

570
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: didn't have a space where it could go back and

571
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: call its own, and so a lot of times you're

572
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: looking at a private parcel if there's major food here

573
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: and you have decent cover extending to the west, and

574
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: then you have some knowles or little swamp edge, some diversity,

575
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: like two hundred and fifty to three hundred and fifty

576
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: yards back. I can look at a client parcel and say, well,

577
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: there's the food. There's an unpressured neighbor. You have about

578
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: three hundred yards back. You can say, is that where

579
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: the buck's been? You know, is that where you're finding

580
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: all the sign Could you just look at it? Food,

581
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: layers of dough, betting young bucks, and then you have

582
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: those old bucks. And it's no different on public land.

583
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: You know, if you have major apple trees, white oaks

584
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: near the road, and then you can look at that

585
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: and say, well that's going to hold a lot of

586
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: dose fawns, young deer, and then you're going back a

587
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: mile and finding now where those mature bucks. Are no

588
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: different than I love hunting public land that's near privately

589
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: and big public land chunks where you can come in

590
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: from an opposite direction, walk back an hour and a half,

591
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: get about half mile three cores a mile from neighboring

592
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: golf courses, subdivisions, ag fields, food plots house and house

593
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: and house, because then you know those bucks are going

594
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: to be in that wheelhouse, those dozen funds will be

595
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: a lot closer. So I hope that makes sense. It's kind

596
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: of part of its distance, but you have to have

597
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: that depth form and then part of its timing. If

598
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: they're not getting to your food plots still two am,

599
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: they're literally a mile and a half away, probably two

600
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: miles away.

601
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, before I ask, but when one thing that I've

602
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: struggled with as a Western hunter, we're just always keeping

603
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the wind in our face, right, and we're either keeping track,

604
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: we can see the animal we're hunting, we're white till

605
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: you don't get to see it. And so you know

606
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: you've mentioned a couple of times, like your example of

607
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: coming in you know, an hour, hour and a half behind.

608
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: How do you decide because you're playing the wind maybe

609
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: ninety to one hundred and twenty degrees right, you're not

610
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: playing it perfect because you can't. But how do you

611
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: make sure when that deer passes your location he doesn't

612
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: get your wind or you know what I mean? Like

613
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: are you just hoping? Are you knowing what trail that

614
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: he's on, or you're guessing what trail because if he

615
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: if you don't do it right, like he can win

616
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: you on the backside or if you're just off the

617
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: trail by forty yards, Like there's a little bit of

618
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: a you know, stand placement. There's a science to all

619
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: of that, or or an art to it, maybe maybe

620
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: more so, like that's always been my thing. You know,

621
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: the property I hunt, the stands are somewhat established, right

622
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: they know the travel corridors. But say on a piece

623
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: of public, how would you go in and are you

624
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: going to use pinch points? Are you gonna use ri lines?

625
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Like what's your what's your strategy on going in there

626
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: and hanging a stand on on a piece of public

627
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: like that?

628
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: With the first off for for scent control, the number

629
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: one form of scent control is stand location. So you

630
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: you have to have a good stand location, meaning you

631
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: don't expect deer to be downwind of you. And so

632
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: in that case, like I love ridge systems because in

633
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: the hill country, that'll dictate or deer are not going

634
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: to be for example, on a really steep face, they

635
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: might not be there. But then at the same time

636
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: you can use that elevation change in the thermals, so

637
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: morning hunting up high, we can blow our scent right

638
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: over a deer trail down below us and know that

639
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: they're not going to get our wind. You know that

640
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: if you blow it down in this steep face for

641
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: the deer or not, they're not going to get your wind.

642
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: A lot of times when we're working with small properties

643
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: forty to eighty to one hundred acres, lakes, ponds, open,

644
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: mature woods, horse pasture, land, in a neighboring house, neighboring school, factory,

645
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. Road, then you're backing up to

646
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: that area where you can blow your sent into and

647
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: I call them scent blockers, where you know that you're

648
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: not going to spook a deer, but you're getting in

649
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: close to the movement where you it's set balance where

650
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: you're moving as close as you can to the movement

651
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: without getting so far that you get deer back behind you.

652
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: And then that's the way you have to hunt. And

653
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: so every time, that's what a lot of times we're

654
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: working with clients is assessing that balance. So if we

655
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: put a stand here, is that too close to your access?

656
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: Is it too close to the movement, is it far

657
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: enough way to not spook deer off the food plot

658
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: every time you get in and out of the stand.

659
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: And so it's all about if there's a question of

660
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: if I move in on the stand and deer might

661
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: get down wind to me behind me, then we just

662
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: to me it's black and white. You just don't hunt it.

663
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: You can't. You always have to have, always have to.

664
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: I had a big buck I was after it was

665
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: four seasons. We had videos of them, pictures, been hunting

666
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: in the last two years. He was a legitimate six

667
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: year old, beautiful buck, and that was my number one

668
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: target bock here in Minnesota. I went into an area

669
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: where we had actually had a picture of him in

670
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: the morning, going into a betting area, we had a

671
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 2: stand back there. Went into that stand, sat there for

672
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: ten minutes, couldn't wait to go sit in there. Gave

673
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: myself about a four and a half five hour set.

674
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: Get in there in fifteen minutes later the wind was

675
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: just iffy, and it was good two thirds three quarters

676
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: of the time, and then it wasn't and then I'd

677
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: do it again. So I gave myself fifteen twenty minutes

678
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: and I got out and moved to a stand about

679
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards away and ended up shooting

680
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: that buck, probably as he was coming from that betting area.

681
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: And you have to have that discipline to you can

682
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: never look at it like I sprayed this. I use

683
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: this machine and it's going to block your scent if

684
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: you do that. Then, for example, on that night, if

685
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: it was bad, and I've done that before where I've

686
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: gone out to sit and the winds just didn't feel

687
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: right from what I thought, maybe a calmer wind than

688
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: I thought, so the thermals were going down too soon

689
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: and being pulled down right. I wanted that steady wind,

690
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: So I get moved somewhere else, and then all of

691
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: a sudden check the trail cameras later and realized that

692
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: he came in that night, and if you were there,

693
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: you would have spooked him, and then you shoot him

694
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: four days later in that same spot, kind of like

695
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: I've had many opportunities like that. If you didn't, if

696
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: you weren't disciplined, you wouldn't. And once you spook them,

697
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: you're not getting them there two or three weeks from now.

698
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: It's maybe you had five six weeks from now if

699
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: he's still around, but you're in big trouble if you

700
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: spook them.

701
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where sometimes I think, you know that

702
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: place we hunt in Kansas, the perimeter s downs. I love,

703
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: like it all makes sense to me. Like we come in,

704
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: we've got a very clear direction, and you know a

705
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: lot of times those bigger bucks will run like the

706
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: edge of that property, which the wind's perfect in our face,

707
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Our approach was perfect. That buck's going to come by

708
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: because he's trying to win check that entire patch of

709
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: timber or food plot or whatever it may be. So

710
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: I love that. I've always just struggled when we go

711
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: to the interior, right, we don't get a great win.

712
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: We can't hunt the right perimeter stand. And I'm like,

713
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: well unless I either shoot this deer before he gets

714
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: behind me, like, and that means he's gotten within eighty

715
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: yards of this tree that we're in, and we I

716
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: just noted. Thankfully they weren't target deer. But even these

717
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: younger deer, they're fifty or sixty yards off, they get

718
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: past you, and they they wind you, and and I'm like,

719
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that's where we don't have that freedom of being local

720
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: or close where we just wouldn't hunt that day. Right,

721
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: We're like, well we're there we got to try to

722
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: hunt a stand that gives us a fifty percent chance.

723
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: And I've always just like, yeah, if you know out west,

724
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: we would just you know, or our thought process like

725
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work enough, or it's almost got to

726
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: be perfect, like we got to know that deer is

727
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: going to travel on this road and our tree is

728
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: set up for that travel path.

729
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: It's like, you just we have no interior stands. If

730
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to spook young deer there, then it it's

731
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: almost like if you're not spooking the red carpets rolled

732
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: out for deer activity for mature box, if you're spooking deer,

733
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: then they're not going to be there either. And so

734
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: we can't afford to have And you go to clients.

735
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: It's hard because and I'm pretty black and white with

736
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: that. I've been doing it enough where you go to a

737
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: client and they say, hey, what about this stand, And

738
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: I'll just say, you can never hunt it? Why even

739
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: have me here? Why have me designed the property? You

740
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: can't destroy your property. How long do you want to

741
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: destroy your property for? Do you want to destroy it

742
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: for two weeks, three weeks? You just can't do it.

743
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: And I'll say, you know, if you're going to do it,

744
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: at least wait till middle of November. Going there really early,

745
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: sit all day. But if you spook deer, and if

746
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: you can imagine, even on two hundred acres, a deer run,

747
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: these white tails run a half mile when they're spooked,

748
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: and so you can be in the middle of one

749
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty acres, spook them and they're gone. And

750
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: so our average clients about a hundred acres and you

751
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: just can't hear on our property here it's two hundred

752
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: and fifty five acres, So a big difference from Wisconsin.

753
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: But what area do I want to destroy in the property?

754
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: So we have seventy seven acres over here, thirty eight

755
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: over here, one hundred and ten over here, So which

756
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: area each one of those? If I it's all connected,

757
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: but it's weird shape, But which area do I want

758
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: to destroy? And which area that we worked on for

759
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: the entire year. And so that's kind of how you

760
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: have to look at it, like you just can't do it.

761
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: And that's where like I'll tell you we went Dylan

762
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: and I it was back in I think twenty eighteen,

763
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: we went on a guided hunt, and I've only been

764
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: on like three in my lifetime. And we went into

765
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: the stand and from where they said the deer were

766
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: coming from, and where you know, we thought they would

767
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: go where they said the deer would come from. It's

768
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: like these winds are horrible, and we just went to breakfast.

769
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: We never even told the guide. We just got out,

770
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: went to breakfast and came back. And it was like,

771
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: I just don't I don't want to, we answered. I

772
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: probably put out some Instagram reels or something that was

773
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: more like we we got stuff to do, you know,

774
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: like and that's what around here. I just it's different

775
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: when you live here and when you have the choice

776
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: of when you hunt, because I got other things to do,

777
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, I don't hunt. I might set twenty five

778
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: thirty times for an entire season forty times at the most,

779
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: but that's over three and a half months.

780
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Yep, yeap, no it. And most of the property like it's,

781
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, a four hundred. I get to hunt a

782
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: south four hundred that he owns a lot, and almost

783
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: all the all the stands are perimeter, but the one,

784
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: I guess there's two ones on like a very steep bluff.

785
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: So we can get away with the wind going up

786
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: and over and we don't get wind checked. But the

787
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: one in the bottom that I actually killed my deer

788
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: out of last year's always just made me nervous. Yeah,

789
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: we can hunt on this wind hoping that they're coming back.

790
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: This year was beans, you know, last year it was

791
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, but there's a lot

792
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: of feed out there, and they kind of come back

793
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: up that valley. But I'm like, dang, if I don't

794
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: kill them right here, I'm gonna get winded.

795
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: And it's just it's like the last day, last day hunt.

796
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it works. It's just one of those things

797
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: I think about, like all the perimeter stands are awesome,

798
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's just that one, like it's there and

799
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: it works. But it's like, yeah, even if even if

800
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: the wind's perfect for where you think the deer are

801
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: coming from, it's not perfect for you know, ninety degrees

802
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty degrees behind that and deer could

803
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: be in there, and.

804
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: It's never perfect. So you can only plan for it,

805
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, but it yeah, the deer or anything, but

806
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: you predictable.

807
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: So I've got to imagine, just like you know, elk

808
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: around here, they usually walk into the wind right and

809
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: these more mature animals they understand wind. Do you feel

810
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: your chance of killing a big buck on an absolute

811
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: perfect wind where that deer is walking with that wind

812
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: directly up as you know, at his tail? Or do

813
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: you got to give them a little bit of wind?

814
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Do you have to get them to make a mistake?

815
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Like what's your opinion on the wind hitting your right

816
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: cheek versus the wind hitting in the nose? Like do

817
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: you need to give them a little advantage? Or have

818
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: you found that that the bigger bucks, they'll slip up

819
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: either way, you know what I mean? Like are they

820
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: more comfortable moving when they think they got a little

821
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: bit of wind in a direction? Or will they move

822
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: in a direction with the wind that they're back?

823
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: So I find they, especially in smaller persons, when you're

824
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: talking a few hundred acres or less, they choose their

825
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: betting area, and they might have a few betting areas,

826
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: but they're not choosing. They're not moving typically four hundred

827
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: yards a day from this side to this side based

828
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: on the wind. They're choosing a betting area, and that's

829
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: very sacred to them. The older they get and then

830
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: their food sources stay very consistent, a lot more consistent.

831
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Now there might be a football movement where they start

832
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: in one spot they more cheat to the north and

833
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: then come into that food plot or another wind they

834
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: might cheat to the south, but they're starting and ending

835
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: in the same spots either way. And where dose are

836
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: more straight line movers, they just go from their betting

837
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: area to food betting area to food in that afternoon

838
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: without any care to the wind. When I see bucks

839
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: using the wind the most, or when they're sent checking

840
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: for dough. And so we're sitting on the outside of

841
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: a betting area, winds in my face or somewhat where

842
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: the betting area, winds are blowing towards us, and he's

843
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: on the outside of that betting area checking that dough

844
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: betting area, just looking for dose because he can check

845
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: in one hundred and fifty yards. So I always base

846
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: the hunts not on what I think the buck will

847
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: be using the wind by checking where he's coming, where

848
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: he's movie he's going to use this trail with this wind.

849
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm purely hunting because the wind is in my favor

850
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: in this stand, I expect this buck to be betted

851
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: in this location and going to this area, or he's

852
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: feeding here in the morning, I expect him to be

853
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: coming back to that betting area. And now I've seen

854
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: him circle the betting area to get into that betting area,

855
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: use the wind to get into the betting area. I've

856
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: seen him coming on the downwind sign of a food

857
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: source a lot of times when they're cruising and when

858
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: they're moving in between. I just choose to stand look

859
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: based on where I think I can kill him and

860
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: and have that wind advantage, and I find they move

861
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: and they'll move with the wind. The Bucky shot in

862
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: Wisconsin was moving with the wind because he comes from

863
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: the betting area to the right. He was going to

864
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: the water hole to the left, and he just came

865
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: with the wind right in My wind was blowing to

866
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: my left side and off the steep face, and so

867
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: he came win with the wind. I shot him at

868
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: like fifteen yards, and so you know that that kind

869
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: of thing happens all the time. I'm trying to think

870
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: of the buck Eye shot in Minnesota. The wind was

871
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: blown straight in my face, a little bit to my right,

872
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: and then he was coming in directly from my last left,

873
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: so he didn't have a wind advantage coming in either,

874
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: and he was a six year old. The other one

875
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: was a five year old. Yeah, so I don't really

876
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: go by that too much. Or how can I hunt safely?

877
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Is it a good weather day? You know it's not

878
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: terribly hot or windy?

879
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: And then last question, well maybe last question for a

880
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: second on betting areas. Do you believe in like letting

881
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: them be natural or early on on like a habitat

882
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: project or early on in a property when you're wanting

883
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: to manage it, do you believe to go in there

884
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: and create them, like you know, hinge cutting, you know,

885
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: burning like how or not burning the betting area making

886
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't get burnt? Like, do you believe you

887
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: can create the betting area or does it need to

888
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: be somewhat in the right spot, the same location or

889
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: the right location, right terrain, right tree species, whatever it

890
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: may be. What's your opinion on creating that versus does

891
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: it need to be somewhat natural?

892
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: That's good. I really like it to be somewhat natural possible.

893
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: But when you go to a client property, they'll have

894
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: traditional movement that's on and off the property, and those

895
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: are always going to be based on major funnels, major

896
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: movement areas, and so those are something you can't change.

897
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: But you can imagine if we put a food plot

898
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: in an area where they might have a quarter acre

899
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: food plot before, now we're carving that out to be

900
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: a two acre food plot. There's going to be cattle

901
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: paths coming from area that weren't The locations weren't there before.

902
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: If you put that food plot in there, that locates

903
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: doze next to it, and then you'll have that buck betting.

904
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: So let's say, okay, we're going to count on this

905
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: little knoll back two hundred and fifty yards at all

906
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: private buck betting. If it's wide open hardwoods, that's probably

907
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: going to be part of a timber harvest. That's the easiest.

908
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: And then to get into the backside of that betting area,

909
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: we might might want to leave the timber alone so

910
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: that we can actually walk through open timber and blow

911
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: our sent into it while we're waiting for that buck

912
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: to come back. Let's say that's a solid seedar pocket area,

913
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: then we'll probably remove fifty percent of those seeds in pockets.

914
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: Let's say it's a fifteen acre area, so we might

915
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: move remove six seven eight acres of ceedar and pockets

916
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: quarter acre acre and then try to get some herbaceous

917
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: growth in there, some hardred regions, some shrubs which will

918
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: help wildlife too. But now they have that daytime browse

919
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: and then they have the cover of this ceater switchgrass.

920
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: We do the same looking for diversity. Pockets pollinator blends

921
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: will put in the switchgrass so that critters have food

922
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: and soda deer, but then they have that solid structure

923
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: of the switchgrass to hold them in. So it really

924
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: depends on the property. We'll try to enhance it if needed.

925
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: But then I was, I remember those five properties. Last week,

926
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: we go into an area and it's where a lot

927
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: of bucks come from and go into a major food plot,

928
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: and he sees them coming in from this area. We

929
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: walk in there and he's it was beautiful. I had

930
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: vines hanging down. It had a lot of junk timber,

931
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: some box celled or some crappy cherry trees, occasional oak.

932
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: It had some shrubs in there, some little knolls and flats.

933
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: And he said, what would you do with this area?

934
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: And I said, absolutely nothing. This is a really low

935
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: priority on your property. They're already using it. But then

936
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: that out of his one hundred and twenty acres, he

937
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: had about forty eight as over to the east side

938
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: that was just all open timber, and that was a

939
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: big giant hole in his property where we need to

940
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: work on that area and remove timber, leave the edges alone.

941
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: And then on the other portion of his property, about

942
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: half of the forty on the west side he had it.

943
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: It was just nasty brier feel filled thicket, gray dog

944
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: wood mixed with white pine and it was hard to

945
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: imagine a big buck walking through there it was so thick.

946
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: So what they did is they went in with a

947
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: rotary cutter and they made an amazing pocket effect all throughout there,

948
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: so deer could actually use it. And then I was

949
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: back now about a year and a half later after

950
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: they did a lot of this, and it was amazing

951
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: how the deer take to those areas. So it's kind

952
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: of you know, some areas you're leaving alone. Some areas

953
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: you need to do something to fill holes, and then

954
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: you need to do it different ways.

955
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, yeah, no.

956
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: Hinge cutting is. Hinge cutting is a tool, but we

957
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: recommend hinge cutting on maybe you know, not more than

958
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: twenty percent of all properties more like fifteen. But the

959
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: habitat determines that maybe someone's not skilled with a saw,

960
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: then I don't want them cutting hingecuts, so we'll recommend

961
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: they don't cut. And then if you can have a

962
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: logger create your betting areas and stem count for you,

963
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: what an excellent time and a lot less risk to

964
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: do so. And then that's a time for diversification too.

965
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: We could add some conference to those hardwoods, especially in pockets,

966
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: start to diversify the landscape a little bit too. There's

967
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways to look at that, and

968
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: it might be we've had clients where the big bucks

969
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: are coming from the public land to the north, for example,

970
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: and so you don't want to try to reinvent it

971
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: and say, well, we're going to try to stick them

972
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: one hundred yards from a food plot. It's okay. If

973
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: they're four hundred yards back on that public land, no

974
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: one hunts it. It's really hard to access. And so

975
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: you're considering that within the management plan too.

976
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: Gotcha, that makes a lot of sense. And I'm always amazed,

977
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: at least when we're driving around in Kansas, it seems

978
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: like you drive by somebody's unmaintained like eighty or they're

979
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: unmaintained one sixty or three twenty, and it's it is

980
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: like you said, just gray gray hardwood trees that are,

981
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, and then they got some cedars mixing. It's

982
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: a brushy mess never maintained. And it's like, wow that

983
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: unless you had the piece next to it, you couldn't

984
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: necessarily hunt in that. But that thing will be loaded up.

985
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: That thing will just be loaded up with deer right there,

986
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: right and and and my buddy Randy's property has a

987
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: piece like that and some corners, and it's like you

988
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: sit in your stand and you're like all the deer

989
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: coming out of that junk.

990
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: You know.

991
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: So it's like it's weird. You know, he's got these

992
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: beautiful oak hardwoods. You know, he's one of those guys

993
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: if it can't produce an acorn or you know, if

994
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't produce something for the deer, like let's get

995
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: it out of there, let's cut it or get it out.

996
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: And so he's got these beautiful hardwoods, but yet hey,

997
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: all these deer are picking this just brushy, messy ceedar. Yeah,

998
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: and so it's like that's important, you know. Or the

999
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: CRP is important.

1000
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: What you have to always remember looking at deer property

1001
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: is and we talk about like land buying tips. Land

1002
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: buying fails to avoid the lower the timber value unless

1003
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: it's underwater giant rocks or something. But the lower the

1004
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: timber value, the higher the wildlife value. So if you

1005
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: have big oaks, maple cherry, worst kind of woods for deer,

1006
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: A huge oak woods worst kind of woods for deer.

1007
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: Acorns are not acorns are more like brows. They're hard

1008
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: to digest, and yeah we have acorns out here, but

1009
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: they're a part of the brows. The acorns alone are

1010
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: not going to hold deer on the property. So always

1011
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: remember that the lower the quality of the timber, the

1012
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: better the value for wildlife. That makes sense, and that's

1013
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: a really hard concept for you know, for people buying

1014
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: because they want to have these big, beautiful woods. But

1015
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: then and then the worst thing is, let's see at

1016
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: one hundred acres of hard woods, do you know much

1017
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: work and doze or time and land manipulation and diversification

1018
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: need to make that actually a good wildlife person a

1019
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: lot of.

1020
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Money versus just sending a brusher through or multip you

1021
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: know something that just mulches it up. You got to

1022
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: get out there the equipment and.

1023
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: Or buying, yeah, buying a property that and so that's

1024
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: where you try to keep people. Make sure it's got

1025
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: a lot of diversification. You want to look at it

1026
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: from an aerial photo, and this is even on public land.

1027
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: You look at an aerial photo, there's lots of different

1028
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: shapes and colors. Probably a good place to hunt.

1029
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. So now we're going to jump into weather.

1030
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: It kind of ties back in to what we talked

1031
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: about earlier. And you guys, you guys that live there,

1032
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: just like us out here. If we're hunting out west

1033
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: and the day doesn't present itself right, the wind's wrong,

1034
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: or we can sit it out. So whether introduces all

1035
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: of these variables into it. You know, you've got different

1036
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: temperature ranges, you've got different pre sip whether it's rain

1037
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: or snow. You've got different pressures highs or lows moving in.

1038
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: You've got you know, wind, which we've already covered on.

1039
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: But you know, it is such a huge thing. But

1040
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: then to complicated even more, you get all these things

1041
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: that work in unit. You know, they got all these

1042
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: variables that change with each other. They change against each other,

1043
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and then one thing, like my buddy Chris Parrish has said,

1044
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: like he's always a big fan of like he wants

1045
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: it to change, but then sit there for two or

1046
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: three days, like he doesn't want to be it's not

1047
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: as good like during the change sometimes right, he wants

1048
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: to be like on the backside of that cold front

1049
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: a little bit. So how do you look at all

1050
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: these things? Like I guess maybe a better way to

1051
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: pose the questions, like what's your perfect weather day? Like

1052
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Temperature wise, precip wise, you know,

1053
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: higher low pressure. You know obviously we want the wind, right,

1054
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: but but like what's a good day versus like what's

1055
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: a marginal day? Or does it come down the wind?

1056
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: And if you got the wind, are you gonna hunt

1057
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: regardless of those other factors of the weather.

1058
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: Explain a little bit. There's U and this is something

1059
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: that's near and near to my heart. My last book

1060
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: kind of ties in with that. But it's all weather,

1061
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: white tails and so. And then I worked I work

1062
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: with hunt Wise, and I helped to develop their algorithm.

1063
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: I developed an algorithm for outdoor Life back in twenty

1064
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: fifteen on how I hunt the weather, and so it's

1065
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: near and dear to my heart. And what I'm looking

1066
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: for is not a certain temperature for example, I'm looking

1067
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: for temperature change. And so temperature change to me is

1068
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: number one. And so let's say you have a time

1069
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: period where it's and it could be late October where

1070
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: it's unseasonably warm. It's seventy one, sixty nine, sixty eight,

1071
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: seventy seventy for several days in a row, and all

1072
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's a major cold front that goes

1073
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: through and it drops the temperatures down to fifty So

1074
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: even then it might be traditionally a little bit warm,

1075
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: but it just dropped twenty degrees. Well, there's if it

1076
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: dropped twenty degrees, there's major weather that took place to

1077
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: get it to drop, meaning you probably had extreme winds,

1078
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: probably some extreme moisture of some kind, and it was

1079
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: volatile for a longer period of time that the longer

1080
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: it's dropping. And so deer feed five times in a

1081
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: twenty four hour period. If they misfeedings, they're really hungry

1082
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: on the backside. So if they're not going out into

1083
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: the open agfield, it's because it's blizzard. Because it's windy

1084
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: because it's raining, thunder lightning storms, it's stressful to them.

1085
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: They're burning energy through stress because it's loud and it

1086
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: makes them nervous. They're creatures of stress. They're burning energy

1087
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: because they miss feedings, and they're burning energy because of

1088
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: the temperature drop. They're trying to stay warm. So you

1089
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: have three things that work for them. And then on

1090
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: the backside of that, what we see when that temperture

1091
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: drops when the wind modifies. No, it could have been

1092
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: forty miles an hours dropped into twenty, could have been

1093
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: thirty miles an hours dropped into ten. The bottom line,

1094
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: that's the modification of the wind then and it still

1095
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 2: could be really windy. Let's say it was fifty miles

1096
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: an hours drop into twenty five. They'll notice that change.

1097
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: So once that change takes place and it modifies, then

1098
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: that's when I want to be on the stand. They'll

1099
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: look at pressure. Let's say that that there's you know,

1100
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 2: five or six days of consistency, you have this big

1101
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: whammy of a cold front come through, and then all

1102
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, on the backside, it drops twenty degrees, winds,

1103
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: moderate weather, but the pressure is still low because there's

1104
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 2: another front coming, doesn't matter what the pressure is, you're

1105
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: going to move. They just missfeedings. The weather dropped, the

1106
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: temperature dropped, it's it's moderating right now. They're going to

1107
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: put the feedback on and they're going to move. So

1108
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: that's a great time to hunt. If it's higher pressure.

1109
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: Let's say that it comes true and there's a high pressure,

1110
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 2: great time to hunt. If the moon's bad or good,

1111
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: it's still a great time to hunt. So I look

1112
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: at it like they don't have a pressure meter in

1113
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: the heady. Everything that they do is tangible, and so

1114
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: you can even look at So you'll have a pre

1115
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: front coming through a big blizzard, and you'll probably see

1116
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: this in Elk too, where they know not to be

1117
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: caught out in the open. And I think they know

1118
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: that by wind speed, temperature, moisture, wind direction. They live

1119
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: out there at three sixty five, obviously they know not

1120
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: to get caught out there. But then you have a

1121
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: snow that's coming in. It's going to be three inches,

1122
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: it's wet snow, the winds are going to be moderate. Well,

1123
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: then you see them feeding like crazy out there in

1124
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: the fields. They know and I don't think it's and

1125
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: it could be the exact same pressure. They just know

1126
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: by tangibles. So there's times where like you'll have it

1127
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: come through, there's a high pressure right at the backside.

1128
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: Awesome day to hunt. Low pressure doesn't matter. All those

1129
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: changes is took place. There's times where the second or

1130
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: third day show a higher pressure day because it's slowly

1131
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: rising after that front take place. Took place. To me,

1132
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: that first day, after the front, part of that second

1133
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: day is when you need to be hunting. By the

1134
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: third day, it's just more of the same. So even

1135
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: if the pressure is higher, and I'll see some of

1136
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: the some of the formulas for looking at weather change

1137
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: and predicting deer movement, if you'll have those models showing

1138
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: that that second and third day is higher than that

1139
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: first day, and you just miss one of the best

1140
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: days of the year, just because the pressure is hired

1141
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: doesn't mean a thing you know on that second, third day.

1142
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: So look at in a deer's world, they just it's

1143
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 2: kind of like us being lost out in the wilderness.

1144
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: We get rescued, We're probably going to gorge ourselves on food,

1145
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: but do we do it the second day, the third day?

1146
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: And that's what I look with deer, when that change

1147
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: goes through, they're ready to replenish that energy. But two

1148
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 2: days after that they're not doing the same, and that's

1149
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: when you want to be there, right there, So I

1150
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: hope that makes sense. It's kind of based on feeding,

1151
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: based on temperature. Obviously we have right now just on

1152
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: those two properties. I'm talking about a total of three

1153
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: hundred acres. We have almost sixty cell cameras out in

1154
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: two states, and so we can see when the weather's windy,

1155
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: when it's super hot, when there's blizzard conditions. Deer don't move.

1156
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: It's pretty easy. It's pretty obviously they don't move. So

1157
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: weather does influence obviously, but it's fun to watch them

1158
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: and be able to predict it.

1159
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we watched them in Kansas is sut. We went

1160
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: from mid seventies when we first got there, in the

1161
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: middle of the day where it's like you couldn't stand

1162
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: to get in the Redneck in the afternoon without like

1163
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: just being insulate, you know, just being in an oven.

1164
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: And then and then we had this weird low pressure

1165
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: moving that brought a bunch of rain, which they needed.

1166
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: So I wasn't gonna complain cause everybody needed the rain

1167
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: there in Kansas. Yeah, but then it was like the heat,

1168
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of stifling their movement a little bit.

1169
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: And then you throw this this rain and wind on

1170
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: which you know, we're like, well, they maybe it'll change

1171
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: it didn't they still, And then we got a high

1172
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: pressure the last day we were there, high pressure, and

1173
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: the weather dropped from that mid forties with the rain

1174
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: down into the high twenties at night. And you know,

1175
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: my buddy Randy that owns it, he's like, get on

1176
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: the food. And sure enough, like that night was like

1177
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: somebody flipped the light switch on. It's like, oh, where

1178
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: have these deer been the entire hunt? You know, they

1179
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: all came out of the woodworks, and so we just

1180
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: needed that change. And it wasn't the change from hot

1181
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: to rain, which we thought may spark it. It was

1182
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: a change from hot to rain and then all that

1183
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: stress built up, like you were saying, and then the

1184
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: cold and the clear came and they were everywhere that night.

1185
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta look at some of the white research

1186
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: that's out there shows them not really moving that much

1187
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: different during better weather, but they're not looking at it.

1188
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: That deer can move the exact same, but he's doing

1189
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: it during daylight. They're sitting in their beds all day.

1190
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: They're ready to eat, and they want to go to

1191
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: their best food source afternoon food source, which sets up

1192
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: the reason for those food pots on private land because

1193
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: you want to have that great food source on there

1194
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: to anchor that movement. So it's really important to understand

1195
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: the weather and how it plays, and it's no surprise

1196
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: like in that situation where you see those deer move

1197
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: and if you look at it, you can see those

1198
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: major fronts usually ten days out, seven days out. You

1199
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: might not know if it's going to drop seventeen degrees

1200
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: or if it's going to drop seven, but you know

1201
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: there's going to be a change, and it's important to

1202
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: get out in the woods. And even during the front

1203
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: some of those fronts. We had one just a little

1204
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: bit ago, we had over forty mile an hour wind,

1205
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: We got a little precipitation with snow during that. You

1206
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: can find those days where there's super wind and the

1207
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: temperatures dropped already a lot. And when you have ridge systems,

1208
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: or you have them the backside of a big seedar,

1209
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: swamp or conifers, you get on the lease side of

1210
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: the cover or the lease side of the ridge, and

1211
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: you can take a disproportionate number of deer that are

1212
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: up on those ridges. They don't want to be in

1213
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: those forty mile hour winds, so they get down on

1214
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: the lease side. And you do that during the rut

1215
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 2: or something, and it's like throwing gasoline on the rock

1216
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: because you take a high percentage of deer, you put

1217
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: them all down on the lease side, and then you

1218
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 2: learn how to hunt those areas, and uh, it's pretty cool.

1219
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: So even in the wind, you can have some huge

1220
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: advantages by finding the column side of the cover and

1221
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: habit deep.

1222
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: And I want to make a correction there. I think

1223
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: I misquoted my buddy Chris. I think he won't. He

1224
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: actually wants to hunt during that change and then once

1225
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: things stabilize, it's not as it's not as good. So

1226
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: I know Chris knows what he's doing. You know, killed

1227
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: some great public lamb bucks And I think I actually

1228
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: quoted him there as we talked through that. I think

1229
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: he wants to hunt during those two or three changes

1230
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: or those big drastic temperature drops or big you know,

1231
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: pressure drops tonight and I.

1232
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: And I want to be on the I want to

1233
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: be on the back side because those winds will stifle

1234
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: movement even if the temperature is changing. So unless you

1235
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: get on the lee side, you get in the quiet.

1236
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: And and so wind is a huge thing even you know,

1237
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: and not saying that they won't move. It's not a

1238
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: certain mile per hour to change. So if it moves

1239
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: from fifty mile an hour down to twenty five, they're

1240
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: going to move.

1241
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: In Kansas, it's weird. You know, it always blows there.

1242
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: And these these guys that are hunting Kansas for a

1243
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: long time, and you know, it's just from a lot

1244
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: of time to sitting in the stands. Those deer seem

1245
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: to like a north wind better because that means that

1246
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: they're getting that cold wind, you know. And and they'll

1247
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: still move on the south. But they said they get

1248
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: better move on the north. And those deer they're like

1249
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 1: some wind. They don't want it to be two to three,

1250
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: they want it to be ten to fifteen.

1251
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: It's tough to around these hills. It's tough too because

1252
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: the thermals get thrown out of whack. You know, I'm

1253
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: you're counting down winds coming up from the hollow. But

1254
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: if it's nice time and it drops down to zero,

1255
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: and so you always have to look and see what

1256
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: the wind's gonna do two to three hours after dark

1257
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: because it's calming two to three hours. That means an

1258
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: hour before dark you're gonna get some calm wins in there,

1259
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 2: and the wind just goes right back downhill, even if it's.

1260
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: In your face, regardless of the prevailing Yep, right, Okay,

1261
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't let you go here without talking

1262
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: about calling deer a little bit, you know, running running calls.

1263
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: I love to be able to call them, but I

1264
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: also understand their situations or times when, if your stand

1265
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: placement is correct, you may not want them to even

1266
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: know you're on the on the landscape. What's your opinion

1267
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: and strategy for making any noise in the stand? You know, calls, grunts, bleets,

1268
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: weez you know, snort, wheezes, any of that. Like, are

1269
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: you a quiet hunter? Are there times when it works?

1270
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: What's your opinion on that?

1271
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 2: And they're I'm a I'm a pretty quiet hunter, only

1272
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: because I'll explain that that we're in a higher pressure area.

1273
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: So you look at Wisconsin had three hundred and fifty

1274
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: thousand bowl hunters at one time eight hundred thousand gun

1275
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: hunters going in the woods. Michigan, my home state, had

1276
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: over four hundred thousand bowl hunters. Minnesota is in that

1277
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: two seventy five at one time where you talk about

1278
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: Kansas the twenty five thousand, Iowa sixty five thousand bowl hunters.

1279
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: So when you have high pressure areas, people are calling

1280
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's a really bad thing. And

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Speaker 2: so we've even had a neighbor he was rattling, snort,

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Speaker 2: weazing and grunting and bleeding and we had all the

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Speaker 2: deer run from their property. He was probably four hundred

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Speaker 2: yards away. And at first I got excited, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what's going on over there? And then all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden the year run from that area. You realize it's

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Speaker 2: a neighbor and they were actually guiding on that property.

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Speaker 2: And this is down in southwest Wisconsin, and that's what

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Speaker 2: the guy was doing. Someone probably paid to hunt there

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Speaker 2: and he's just throwing all the stops. Now that being said,

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Speaker 2: I always have a grunt call in my handwarm or two.

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Speaker 2: That's something my carrying the woods all the time. I

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Speaker 2: like using a bleaqe can and those you can imagine

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Speaker 2: in my area, those are pretty low impact. You know,

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Speaker 2: if I have a mature buck that's going by and

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Speaker 2: I can't get a shot with a bow, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to try to grun them back or bleed them back.

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Speaker 2: And then also I'll use rattling antlers. There's some on

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Speaker 2: the wall right behind me right here, but I use

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Speaker 2: those rattling antlers more on public land, like for example,

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Speaker 2: where we went in Pennsylvania, we didn't see another hunter

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Speaker 2: for two days. So you can be in a really

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Speaker 2: remote area calling works awesome. Then, so I'll use combination

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Speaker 2: of rattling antlers and grunt calls, but more I'd be

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Speaker 2: more aggressive there even though it's public land, but it's

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Speaker 2: big and open, not a lot of hunters. And then

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Speaker 2: same with the southeast Southeast Ohio. I bring my rattling

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Speaker 2: antlers out there because we didn't see a lot of

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Speaker 2: hunters an hour and a half in and we're around here.

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Speaker 2: I'm using them to try to get them to come

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Speaker 2: back when I can't get a shot. And we rarely

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Speaker 2: blind call around here unless our downwind is completely secure,

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01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: because a lot of times they'll go right downwind of

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Speaker 2: you on circle around. So yeah, get especially the older bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, but no, no, make kind of

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Speaker 2: all over the chart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes a ton of sense. You let

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Speaker 1: the situation dictate whether you're gonna make noise out of

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: the standard, whether you're going to be quiet. And I

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Speaker 1: was gonna give a little example last time we used

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Speaker 1: a rattling bag on on the Kansas hunt last year

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Speaker 1: and the deer didn't know exactly where it came from.

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Speaker 1: And we had three bucks and it was my very

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01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: first morning ever like run past our blind and all

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: ended up winding us because they didn't know exactly where

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Speaker 1: it was they had ran past. And well that that

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: didn't work, Like you didn't get it to stop in

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Speaker 1: the right spo. It got him real close, real fast.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, well this this works, and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: last year we hit the timing right where I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 1: calling these deer in is maybe easier than calling Elkin

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Speaker 1: out west. And then this year, like very very I mean,

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Speaker 1: we grunted a couple in that weren't quite shooters, but

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Speaker 1: the big bucks that were were interested in dose there was.

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Speaker 1: It didn't didn't really work.

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Speaker 2: Like you said in the lockdown, that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: But they we As a side note, have you ever

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Speaker 2: I like, like with these rattling antlers, is a pretty

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01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: long rope on them, and have you ever done it

1340
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: where you've dropped it, dropped them down out of your

1341
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: stand with the rope and then it's on the ground

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: down there, and then all you have to do is

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01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: reach over and like hit it like this and around

1344
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: the ground, hitting each other right against the tree, like

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01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: I was just thinking. Made me think of that when

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 2: a rattle bag that works with a rattle bag too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it does. Yeah, and like just kind of tickling

1348
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: them down there and maybe giving a little bit better location.

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01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: We tried to put a longer lanyard on ours and

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Speaker 1: do it, and I'm just like I didn't And this

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: is where maybe my my not having enough time in

1352
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: the stand and just need to spend more. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: it's real quiet down there, like if something was close,

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Speaker 1: they might hear it. But real horns, I think make

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a clash when you're dropping

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: them together. But the rattling bags really need to be hammered. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need to be hammered and rolled around. But no,

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: a great idea, like all this stuff is going through

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Speaker 1: my head as I'm in the stand, like I'd like

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Speaker 1: to be able to do it down at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the tree or you know, out in my hands.

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Speaker 2: But that's where like these you get a nice set

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: of sheds or something. They they really bounce off each other,

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: are down there, and then that way if they come

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01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: in and you know a lot of times they're back

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: there at seventy yards making a rub, they're being aggressive

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: before they come in, posturing a little bit. And in

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Speaker 2: that case, to me, like you grunt, they are so

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Speaker 2: good at pinpointing exactly where that came. I'm not meaning

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Speaker 2: like that came from twenty two feet up in that

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Speaker 2: tree over there, if they know whereas if you can

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Speaker 2: tickle those antlers down there and there's some brush between

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Speaker 2: you and them, they that's that ground level. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's I think that's a great tactic that I didn't

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Speaker 2: come up with that, but that's something I heard long

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: time ago, and that's I really like that that tactic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a great idea. We'll have to we'll

1378
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Speaker 1: have to play with that more so if we can

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Speaker 1: get some volume out of like a rattle, would yep, yeap, yeap,

1380
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Speaker 1: figure that out, So no, I really appreciate having you

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Speaker 1: on Jeff and your busy schedule. I know you're a

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Speaker 1: busy guy, but how can our listeners find out a

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Speaker 1: little bit more about you, what you got going on

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Speaker 1: any of the other tips. I know this is just

1385
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Speaker 1: scratching the surface on all the videos and info you

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Speaker 1: put out there, but how can people find more more

1387
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Speaker 1: about you and what you got going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, we you know, mostly on YouTube. I try to

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Speaker 2: put out two hundred and eight videos a year. Last

1390
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Speaker 2: when he missed was summer of twenty nineteen, so that's

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Speaker 2: four week. It's all white tail strategy. Depending on what's

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Speaker 2: going on that week, everything is different. We're not talking

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Speaker 2: about building betting areas in August, for example, we're talking

1394
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Speaker 2: about that in December, January, February. No different than the rut.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about that in early October, you know, because

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Speaker 2: that's coming up two weeks, so we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: that in July. But it's white tail habitat solutions dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're very active on Instagram too and putting out reels

1399
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Speaker 2: and pictures that's a little bit more personal side. And

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Speaker 2: then also the books, the web classes. White tail habitats

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Speaker 2: Solutions dot Com. The website, there's over six hundred white

1402
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Speaker 2: tail articles on there. We have our food plot company,

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Speaker 2: which you can find on the website. Also Pure Wildlife

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Speaker 2: Plans WHS Wildlife Planging find that too. And most of all,

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Speaker 2: if you don't want to buy anything, and we go

1406
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: to client properties, we booked those. Like my client schedule

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Speaker 2: right now is book probably ninety five percent out through August,

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Speaker 2: and I might go to seventy clients this year. But

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Speaker 2: if you don't want to spend a dime with us,

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Speaker 2: to me, the whole business and what's been very rewarding

1411
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Speaker 2: is giving as much information as I know out as

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Speaker 2: much as possible, so whatever fits for the for that

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Speaker 2: time of the week or month. We try to help

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Speaker 2: people out whether they ever spend a dime with us.

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Speaker 2: And that's the most rewarding because we'll have people say

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Speaker 2: I bought some of your seed. I don't even really

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Speaker 2: know if I'm going to plan a food plot, but

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Speaker 2: I did it just as a way to say thanks

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Speaker 2: for all the videos and stuff like that. We bought

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Speaker 2: a book, you know that kind of thing, thank you,

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Speaker 2: And we sell hats and stuff in the books and

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Speaker 2: web classes but like I said, if you ever, it's

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Speaker 2: not not trying to push you to buy something, it's

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Speaker 2: we'll try to keep putting us out as much as

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Speaker 2: we can as much free content. So it's always to

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Speaker 2: have attached lollutions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well thanks, thanks for jumping on, have a

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Speaker 1: have a good winner, you know what you saying, get

1429
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: and getting property set up and uh this one will launch.

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Speaker 1: Uh I think it'll be, but if not, it might

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Speaker 1: be after a Christmas. But Merry Christmas do you and

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Speaker 1: your family, and thanks for thanks for being on here,

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Speaker 1: and we'll catch up the creator and Jeff.

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Speaker 2: That's a great chat, which Jason, that was great. H

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