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Speaker 3: that Brian is really sick as he sits there in
Speaker 3: Hawaii right now, and you know he kept during the
Speaker 3: breaks of the show yesterday. He kept looking back behind
Speaker 3: him at the window or the sliding door that was
Speaker 3: right behind him. He kept looking out there as if
Speaker 3: he was truly missing something, and he was. He was
Speaker 3: missing Hawaii. Do you believe that he's actually sick today?
Speaker 4: I think that Son of the Beach is trying to
Speaker 4: pull a fast one on us. And if he's not,
Speaker 4: I hope he feels better imminently.
Speaker 3: Were you a big fan of that show, Son of
Speaker 3: the Beach? Because I was, And this this is a
Speaker 3: nineties throwback for people from back in the day, but
Speaker 3: I was a proponent of that show, the Howard Stern
Speaker 3: produced Son of a Beach.
Speaker 4: Mike, I have the perfect segue for you. Oh yeah, huh,
Speaker 4: because speaking of deplorable things that include Howard Stern making
Speaker 4: the news today was one interview with Howard Stern by
Speaker 4: none other than the man that's probably gonna hope we
Speaker 4: can't see him at all, but he's in the eye
Speaker 4: of rustling fans right now, and that's John Cena.
Speaker 3: You'd think knowing that you're gonna be asked about something
Speaker 3: like this. I mean, I know he's got the Argyle
Speaker 3: movie out, but that's been out for a while now right,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was because I haven't heard
Speaker 3: the show yet that what the reasoning was that John
Speaker 3: Zena was on Howard Stern today, but you know, he's
Speaker 3: been on Howard Stern a lot and what's been terrible
Speaker 3: and we'll get to what he said on the show today,
Speaker 3: but people are pointing out that one of the times
Speaker 3: he was on Howard Stern, he was talking about Canyon
Speaker 3: after Canyon had went on Howard Stern and talked about
Speaker 3: his life in WWE and how he was treated and
Speaker 3: how he was scripted after Vince McMahon found out that
Speaker 3: he was talking about coming out of the closet and
Speaker 3: the situation with the Undertaker where they had a closet
Speaker 3: in the middle of the ring that he came out
Speaker 3: and sang boy George too before the Undertaker pretty much
Speaker 3: murdered this man with chair shots, including one to the
Speaker 3: head that was disgusting by no matter how you cut it,
Speaker 3: just a terrible headshot. And John Cena came on not
Speaker 3: long after that and said Kenyon's lying. He was never
Speaker 3: that good to begin with and he was just complaining.
Speaker 3: He came out afterwards, and you know, people are bringing
Speaker 3: this up now, now, why are they doing that? Well,
Speaker 3: Kenyon committed suicide at the age of forty, you know,
Speaker 3: a New York guy, and Ashley Massarrow committed suicide at
Speaker 3: the age of thirty nine, and she had her claims,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of you know, they're out there right now.
Speaker 3: And obviously NewsNation we talked about it yesterday, people looking
Speaker 3: into her claims about being sexually assaulted while on a
Speaker 3: WWE tour. But John Cena appeared on Howard Stern today
Speaker 3: and once again while not saying anything about Ashley Massarrow
Speaker 3: or anything specifically, at least from what's up on the
Speaker 3: web page right now over at Wrestling observer dot com.
Speaker 3: This was posted up by Ian Carey not long ago
Speaker 3: John Cena opening up about his relationship with Vince McMahon.
Speaker 3: He says, quote, I can say this. I'm a big
Speaker 3: advocate of love and friendship and honesty and communication. But
Speaker 3: in the same breath, I'm also a big advocate of accountability.
Speaker 3: I think if you explained it well, Howard, if someone's
Speaker 3: behavior lies so far outside your value system that the
Speaker 3: balance shifts of like I can't operate in a world
Speaker 3: where this works, then that's the end result of being accountable.
Speaker 3: Stern then asks in about how he plans to handle
Speaker 3: the situation as it relates to Vince McMahon and their
Speaker 3: friendship and relationship, and Scena answered, right now, what I'm
Speaker 3: going to do is love the person I love, be
Speaker 3: their friend, and by that it means, hey, I love you.
Speaker 3: You have a hill to climb. There's the saying of
Speaker 3: you don't know who your friends are until the s
Speaker 3: hits the fan or your backs against the wall. That
Speaker 3: doesn't make any of what's going on any easier to swallow.
Speaker 3: But just telling somebody like, hey, I love you, man,
Speaker 3: this is going to be a hill to climb. We're
Speaker 3: going to see what happens. And that's that. It sounds
Speaker 3: so cliche, but it has to be one day at
Speaker 3: a time. But at the same token, I've openly said
Speaker 3: I love the guy. I have a great relationship with
Speaker 3: the guy. So that's that. Did he really have to
Speaker 3: go on Howard Stern and really take questions about Vince McMahon,
Speaker 3: And if you are going to take questions about Vince McMahon,
Speaker 3: that's the best that you can come up with for
Speaker 3: the allegations and the situation. That's been put upon Vince
Speaker 3: McMahon with all of the things that we now know
Speaker 3: about Vince McMahon, after all of the NBA's settling with
Speaker 3: Rita Chatterton, who for years said that he raped her,
Speaker 3: is this really? You know? I guess everybody's got their
Speaker 3: view and they're entitled to come out and come out
Speaker 3: and say it. But I don't know, dude, John Cena,
Speaker 3: the man or you know, the public figure and entertainer
Speaker 3: any like, did it help him at all? Here? Did
Speaker 3: it help Vince McMahon and what his images.
Speaker 4: World life? I think John Cena would have been better
Speaker 4: off having the trademark ghost write a statement for him
Speaker 4: on Howard's Stone than what he said, because even if
Speaker 4: we look at it from the standpoint of John Cena,
Speaker 4: John Cena I'm sure feels indebted to Vince McMahon. How
Speaker 4: could he not. He's been the face of a company.
Speaker 4: Probably his dream was given to him because of the
Speaker 4: business acumen and the business dealings of Vince wick Mann,
Speaker 4: so I'm sure he feels indebted to him. However, vincick
Speaker 4: Mann has put out a statement maintaining his innocence in
Speaker 4: the face of these claims, So you know, perhaps you
Speaker 4: can give John Cena the benefit of the doubt and
Speaker 4: say he's basing his feelings about Vince on the fact
Speaker 4: that he believes Vince to be innocent when it comes
Speaker 4: to this situation. But in the face of everything social media, society,
Speaker 4: what's right and wrong on this planet, I think John
Speaker 4: Cena should have, you know, thought about his choice of
Speaker 4: words a little bit better, much like actually another top
Speaker 4: WWEE superstar did, because Randy Orton was talked about They're
Speaker 4: asked about this very subject in a few interviews with
Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated, the New York Post, and I think he
Speaker 4: handled it, yeah, a little bit better.
Speaker 3: I believe he did as well. Orton said, quote, I've
Speaker 3: got to say this, I wouldn't be where I am
Speaker 3: without Vince McMahon taking a chance on me a handful
Speaker 3: of times. I would not be where I am today
Speaker 3: without Vince McMahon. But f I'm reading this, ass what
Speaker 3: you've seen in read, I've seen in read. As far
Speaker 3: as commenting on it, it efan hurts my heart. It
Speaker 3: hurts my heart. Randy Orton, Brian Danielson, Kevin Owens. There
Speaker 3: have been a lot of people who have said, you know,
Speaker 3: over years. You know, people that a lot of people
Speaker 3: who don't like Vincent have never liked WWE. It always
Speaker 3: kills them to hear people that they like say respectful
Speaker 3: things about Vince McMahon. We're say father figure type things
Speaker 3: when it comes to Vince McMahon. But there were obviously
Speaker 3: two distinct sides to this man that you know, at
Speaker 3: his core. I mean, as we're finding out, is is
Speaker 3: pretty evil. Is pretty evil when you stack up everything
Speaker 3: that he's been accused of from over the years and
Speaker 3: and everything that we're we're finding out. But this obviously
Speaker 3: is going to be a story that continues to play
Speaker 3: itself out, and I guess as time goes on, everybody's
Speaker 3: going to be asked about this, you know, working in
Speaker 3: the business, certainly working for WWE at some point or another.
Speaker 3: But there's got to be a better way to do
Speaker 3: it than the way John Cena did. At least in
Speaker 3: my opinion, the story seems ever alive.
Speaker 2: Meantime, you are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 2: Alvarez and Mike Semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show, Mike semper vv Filthy Tom
Speaker 3: Lawler here with you. It's a Filthy Wednesday on the program.
Speaker 3: Brian Alvarez indisposed right now in Hawaii. Hopefully he's feeling better.
Speaker 3: Hopefully he'll be back with Dave Meltzer tonight for Wrestling
Speaker 3: Observer Radio after AEW Dynamite is all wrapped up and
Speaker 3: over with. If not, I'm sure Garret Gonzalez will step
Speaker 3: in and then we will hope that Brian is okay
Speaker 3: for the Brian and Vinie Show, the next one of
Speaker 3: those that takes place, so we can hear him talk
Speaker 3: all about NX in his love of the acting of
Speaker 3: Lyra Valkyria and Tatum Pasley. Filthy if we have time,
Speaker 3: We're going to get to that show later on, but
Speaker 3: there's still a lot to get into today. There's thespianism
Speaker 3: possibly on the front when it comes to Rick Flair.
Speaker 3: This was posted up to the front page of the
Speaker 3: site by our own Josh Nason this afternoon. It says
Speaker 3: The Rap reported on Wednesday that Dwayne the Rock Johnson's
Speaker 3: seven Bucks Productions. Hey, did you hear back in the
Speaker 3: day when he was struggling, he only had seven bucks
Speaker 3: in his pocket and he parlayed that into where he's
Speaker 3: at today. I don't know if you heard that story
Speaker 3: or not. He said it a lot. Anyway, He's developing
Speaker 3: a project on the life of Rick Flair. It's Johnson,
Speaker 3: his ex wife, Danny Garcia, and here I'm Garcia will
Speaker 3: they'll all produce it alongside Kevin Mischer of Michler Films.
Speaker 3: The team previously teamed up on twenty nineteens Fighting with
Speaker 3: My Family, which was a good movie, a film based
Speaker 3: on the life of aw Sorea then Paige in WWE.
Speaker 3: Flair was not named as being directly involved, and as
Speaker 3: of this writing, he has yet to publicly comment on it.
Speaker 3: Johnson gave the following statement to The Rap about the project,
Speaker 3: which had no timeline, included I'm not going to read
Speaker 3: all this. He just says he idolized Ric Flair and
Speaker 3: he can't wait to tell his unbelievable story and that
Speaker 3: he changed the game and thank you for the house Rick.
Speaker 3: While Flair has been the focus of several documentaries hold
Speaker 3: On Filthy, this will be the first time he will
Speaker 3: be depicted in a feature film, if that's what the
Speaker 3: project turns out to be. Grayson Waller actually portrayed Rick
Speaker 3: Flair on the now canceled Young Rock TV show, which
Speaker 3: was awful, as was the guy that played Rick Flair
Speaker 3: in The Iron Claw. But hey, did you ever hear
Speaker 3: that story about the Rock when we haven't seven Bucks?
Speaker 3: Did you ever hear that one before? Tom?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have heard that one. But what he fails
Speaker 4: to mention is that he also hit the genetic lottery
Speaker 4: by being the son of one of the most famous
Speaker 4: wrestling families of all time. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like he was gonna get opportunities.
Speaker 3: It was possible, you know, not everybody you know? It's
Speaker 3: there was a free trip to Miami, Right University Miami.
Speaker 3: You got a scholarship there. Not too bad, not too bad.
Speaker 4: But enough talks. Enough talk about the Rock. I want
Speaker 4: to talk about you and I, Mike. We should set
Speaker 4: up a time where we can go to the theater,
Speaker 4: kick our feed up, bring in some whoo energy, maybe
Speaker 4: snack on some wings, and watch this Rick Flair biopic.
Speaker 4: Do you think Buddy Landell is going to get in there?
Speaker 4: The real nature my generation? I hope. So maybe some
Speaker 4: Scoot Andrews. I'd like to see a cameo in. They're
Speaker 4: the Black Nature Boy, Black Nature Boy, like Scoot Andrews.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, you know Buddy Rogers obviously, you know I
Speaker 3: have to have them crossing paths at some point, you
Speaker 3: know where he had a short feud with Flair in
Speaker 3: the Carolinas in the seventies. They battle over the nature
Speaker 3: boy name and all that stuff. But yeah, you know
Speaker 3: him and that goofy Woo energy drink. You know, if
Speaker 3: Flair if they give him the microphone tonight. You know,
Speaker 3: people complain last week about Darby Allen and that, you know,
Speaker 3: really Rickety asked promo that he had, you know, against
Speaker 3: the Young Bucks. I can imagine if he gave Rick
Speaker 3: Flair the mic tonight, all he would do would be
Speaker 3: praised the rock and praise WWE. So if he's going
Speaker 3: to be on the show, Tony, do not give him
Speaker 3: the microphone or he will think rock profusely tonight about
Speaker 3: whatever this possible movie is going to be. But you
Speaker 3: know we just talked about in the first segment about
Speaker 3: Vince and all that stuff. The story of Rick Flair
Speaker 3: can easily be told because he's lived such a long
Speaker 3: and interesting life and he is so revered publicly by
Speaker 3: people that never really look past the surface. And if
Speaker 3: they have much like Mike Tyson, they kind of turn
Speaker 3: their other their heads the other way when it comes
Speaker 3: to any allegations or anything about Rick Flair's personal life
Speaker 3: and any shortcomings he may have.
Speaker 4: That way.
Speaker 3: Can you see this movie again, it's being made by
Speaker 3: the rock and everything. I mean, how much, if at all,
Speaker 3: do you think they get into any of that, because again,
Speaker 3: you probably only have an hour and a half hour,
Speaker 3: forty five minutes for a movie like this. I mean,
Speaker 3: what do you think this thing was? It would be
Speaker 3: about brother?
Speaker 4: You think they're gonna have Rick Flair flashing his wiener
Speaker 4: on the airplane in this.
Speaker 3: I look, here's I don't think he could. Look if
Speaker 3: you're telling the story about Rick Flair seventies Lothario, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you could have there's a possibility you could
Speaker 3: have him helicopter in around. I guess I don't. You
Speaker 3: might Brassers might have to come on board to produce
Speaker 3: the movie, But like you know, look, I don't want
Speaker 3: to I don't want to look at that movie. I say,
Speaker 3: you barely have time to tell the good things in
Speaker 3: this movie. I mean, I'm wonder how much of the
Speaker 3: bad they're really gonna tell and how again, would this
Speaker 3: is just gonna be a goofy movie. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I just can't see. As time continues to
Speaker 3: move on, do we really need a Rick Flair biopech
Speaker 3: Is that something you're that interested in?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind seeing, you know, some replays of his
Speaker 4: early times training up in Minnesota, you know, or maybe
Speaker 4: the time surrounding the fatal plane crash that he was
Speaker 4: in evolved in and has come back from that. There's
Speaker 4: plenty of people like me who, even Mike, even in
Speaker 4: their advanced age of forty, missed out on the heyday
Speaker 4: of Rick Flair. His best times were before I can
Speaker 4: even remember. So while I've seen forty years of this
Speaker 4: guy wrestling, I still missed out on the previous twenty,
Speaker 4: which apparently was his best work. So for someone like me,
Speaker 4: I would much rather see this than the page movie.
Speaker 4: H I don't know if we need to necessarily glorify
Speaker 4: a man who's been I guess. Oh, he was almost canceled,
Speaker 4: I guess in some ways, but he made his way back,
Speaker 4: much like Mike Tyson did. As you mentioned, I don't
Speaker 4: know if we need to be glorifying, you know, people
Speaker 4: like that but in the grand scheme of things, when
Speaker 4: you look at it in the vast world of professor wrestling,
Speaker 4: sadly well, he's done almost ends up on the low scale.
Speaker 3: I can't remember who said it, but somebody said, if
Speaker 3: you don't care about getting canceled, you can't get canceled.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the case for Rick Flair. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was kind of the case for Dana White after
Speaker 3: what he did. You know, obviously, you know Vince McMahon,
Speaker 3: you know it's taken. Look, he he didn't either, considering
Speaker 3: that he you know, powered himself back to helping, you know,
Speaker 3: negotiate that sale. He thought he was untouchable too, and apparently,
Speaker 3: you know, there was a line for him. But you know,
Speaker 3: with Rick Flair, he just seems to be unsinkable. And
Speaker 3: there are always going to be people that again, never
Speaker 3: going to end up looking past the surface when it
Speaker 3: comes to Flair and any of this stuff. But you
Speaker 3: do make a really good point, because I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of things that could be in the movie that
Speaker 3: would be interesting to both you know, people who have
Speaker 3: been fans for years and know everything about him, and
Speaker 3: people that you are trying to dragon the people that
Speaker 3: like on the fringes of wrestling, or you know, who
Speaker 3: have no clue whatsoever, the type of people that would
Speaker 3: come in and saw the Von Erics movie and I think,
Speaker 3: I guess the plane crash would be one big thing,
Speaker 3: but I think even bigger than that. We know he's adopted.
Speaker 3: We know he's born in Memphis, Tennessee, and he ends up,
Speaker 3: you know, being adopted by this doctor and his wife
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, and the only thing we know is, yeah,
Speaker 3: he goes to the University of Minnesota, but we don't
Speaker 3: People really don't know what his upbringing was like and
Speaker 3: what molded this kid to end up becoming the type
Speaker 3: of person that he was and the type of personality
Speaker 3: that he is. You know, to me, that's probably the
Speaker 3: most interesting stuff, you know, that you could probably put
Speaker 3: out there, you know, as far as a human interesting
Speaker 3: that we drag people in.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, you also have the death of Red Flair, which
Speaker 4: is a tragic story in and of itself. So there's
Speaker 4: plenty in the world of wrestling. Obviously, there's plenty outside
Speaker 4: the world of wrestling as well. When it comes to
Speaker 4: Rick Flair, a larger than life personality, a larger than
Speaker 4: wrestling personality for sure.
Speaker 3: AW Dynamites tonight, we should probably bring that up the
Speaker 3: BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Bank of Oklahoma Center AW
Speaker 3: World Champion Samoa Joe, because unless they've added something here
Speaker 3: very recently, I think we're still at the same amount
Speaker 3: of stuff that we were talking about yesterday. Tom. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you had a chance to hear that
Speaker 3: show or not. Brian a huge proponent on getting some
Speaker 3: things announced for these shows out there, so the attendance
Speaker 3: will be a lot higher. I think we were talking
Speaker 3: about twenty six hundred for this show in a twenty
Speaker 3: thousand seed building there in Tulsa. But the card right now, Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I can interject real quick, guess one of the
Speaker 4: things that we've seen over the past year or two
Speaker 4: in the WWE is a big upticket attendance, right, it's
Speaker 4: a hotter product. One thing we've also seen in that
Speaker 4: time period is kind of a movement to advertising matches
Speaker 4: and then actually delivering those matches, which is a start
Speaker 4: contrast to what would happen previous to that. So it's
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling of Observer Live with Brian
Speaker 2: Alvarez and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Back on Wrestling Observer Live. Mike simper Viv here with
Speaker 3: you alongside Filthy Tom Lawler, just fill in time on
Speaker 3: a Wednesday. I don't know if that's been obvious or not,
Speaker 3: but that's what we've been doing, aw Phil's time every
Speaker 3: Wednesday night on TVs. And they are at the Box
Speaker 3: Center b Oka Center in tuls Oklahoma. And as it
Speaker 3: was going through the card here, Tom cut me off
Speaker 3: there at the end, so I will read it out
Speaker 3: to you now. It is the exact same thing as
Speaker 3: yesterday Samoa, Joe Swerve, Strickland and Brian Cage against Hangman,
Speaker 3: Page Hook and Rob Van Dam. There's got to be
Speaker 3: some sort of dynamic change that takes place with like
Speaker 3: Brian Cage and Total Leona and uh Cohn at some point,
Speaker 3: I mean, at some point Nana has got to turn
Speaker 3: on Swerve or something thing. We have to have Swerve
Speaker 3: firmly in the babyface category and the rest of that
Speaker 3: crew on the heel side of things. I could be
Speaker 3: wrong about that, Filthy, I don't know. Do you think
Speaker 3: that that needs to be established more firmly because you
Speaker 3: got a Hangman Page hanging out with Hook and RVD tonight,
Speaker 3: and you know people want to boo Hangman Page if
Speaker 3: he's in there with Swerve. Do we need to get
Speaker 3: those guys situated and firmly in different camps here soon
Speaker 3: or am I just being too old school?
Speaker 4: I think you could keep Swerve and prints Nanna together.
Speaker 4: The fans absolutely love doing the dance, so I think
Speaker 4: that can you do that dance together? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Have you practiced doing that dance?
Speaker 4: No, nor will I thank you. However, I do think
Speaker 4: you should split off Brian Cage and the Gates of Agony,
Speaker 4: which are clearly a heel group, and maybe have them
Speaker 4: do the bidding for someone else. Maybe Hangman puts a
Speaker 4: bounty up, Maybe Brian Keith could try to take that
Speaker 4: bounty and fail, and then maybe Brian Cage and they
Speaker 4: gets to Agony try to pick up that money. Who knows,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I agree with you, Mike Swerve. Definitely on
Speaker 4: the baby face side. Everybody wants this guy to be
Speaker 4: their big hero, despite being a home invader, deplorable actions
Speaker 4: by Swerve, but the fans love him, so give them
Speaker 4: what they.
Speaker 3: Want exactly and look. I you know, it's I like
Speaker 3: Hangman Page, he is not exactly king of the promo.
Speaker 3: You know, they've kind of even poked some fun at
Speaker 3: that he's got this new persona, he's got this new look.
Speaker 3: He's got justification. He's got justification with all look now,
Speaker 3: granted he's never beaten Swerve, but that actually is some
Speaker 3: justification on why he hates this guy. But he should
Speaker 3: be upset with the fans for churning on him. The
Speaker 3: guy busted into his house and cut a promo over
Speaker 3: his baby's crib and left him some merch. Like you know,
Speaker 3: the fact that the fans are cheering Swerve right now,
Speaker 3: Hangman should be pissed off about and he needs to
Speaker 3: use that energy and fuel and direct it into his
Speaker 3: promos because he's kind of got the look now. But like,
Speaker 3: you know, are you just gonna be a Virginia Silas
Speaker 3: Young with with the look here and try to be
Speaker 3: badass or are you actually going to be able to
Speaker 3: pull off you know, Hangman Adam Page bad guy, which
Speaker 3: you know, it's like Roxanne Perez. You know, they're flipping
Speaker 3: her on NXT. They want her to have an edge,
Speaker 3: they want her to be crazy NBC. You know she's
Speaker 3: going about it in that NXT way as it happens.
Speaker 3: I'd like to see that happen more with Hangman Page.
Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see. I wasn't sure if you're
Speaker 3: gonna jump in there.
Speaker 4: Now I've said my piece fair enough that.
Speaker 3: On Moxley and Claudio against FTR. Hard for me to
Speaker 3: believe that that won't be awesome. We're at least, you know,
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 4: It's gotta be. I don't think you can put all
Speaker 4: those elements into one match and have it not come
Speaker 4: out very good.
Speaker 3: No, and you know what, just in this I'm not
Speaker 3: making fun of ftr's height or anything like that, but
Speaker 3: a lot of times people and because it's come up
Speaker 3: on the show where people, you know, Brian will say,
Speaker 3: like people forget that John Moxley. It's like he's not
Speaker 3: a small guy. And you saw them, like those two
Speaker 3: guys facing off and Claudio's obviously a big dude too,
Speaker 3: when they had their face off last week and they
Speaker 3: were going at it. It's like it is you know,
Speaker 3: you do remember how big John Moxley is when he's
Speaker 3: throwing blows with Dax there, But you know that match
Speaker 3: is probably, as you mentioned, going to be awesome here.
Speaker 3: Women's World Champion Tony Storm is in action, as is
Speaker 3: Diana Parrazzo. That's all we know right now. We have
Speaker 3: no idea who their opponents are going to be. It
Speaker 3: could it be possible, since we've given her victory now
Speaker 3: that they trot out Queen Amanada to get beaten again
Speaker 3: by one of those two women.
Speaker 4: Actually, my guess is that Queen Amanada Go is pretty
Speaker 4: far in this roh woman's TV title.
Speaker 3: I would hope she wins it.
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're gonna get. Tony Storm said
Speaker 4: that it's gonna be a showcase of her grappling expertise
Speaker 4: to show Deanna Parazzo what she can do. So I'm
Speaker 4: not quite sure what we're gonna get Tony Storm. Her
Speaker 4: character obviously is made her career over the past six months,
Speaker 4: and I know that she did some work on the
Speaker 4: upcoming Mildred Burke film Queen of the Ring, Yeah, which
Speaker 4: will be coming out I believe, I believe this year,
Speaker 4: so we'll see maybe she picked up some tricks from
Speaker 4: that movie, and we're gonna see him tonight in the Ring.
Speaker 3: I mean, did you know who else went out for
Speaker 3: that part, or at least actually who had that part
Speaker 3: before Tony Storm did and then had to pull out.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, you've got the story wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh really, the the Charlotte Flair story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlotte Flair was replaced in the movie, but not
Speaker 4: by Tony Storm. It was by Camille.
Speaker 10: Oh oh god that that. Yeah, that had to be
Speaker 10: a little bit awkward. Not for me, well, you know,
Speaker 10: there was, I guess, you know, for those who do
Speaker 10: not know. Charlotte had a quite the tumultuous relationship with Brahm.
Speaker 10: I believe his name was at the time. I forget
Speaker 10: his name right now.
Speaker 4: Thomas Latimer.
Speaker 3: Thomas Latimer, thank you very much, who's wrestled in the
Speaker 3: NWA and and been around for for quite some time.
Speaker 3: There had a WWE developmental deal.
Speaker 4: With TNA for record amount of times.
Speaker 3: Yes he did, he did that be cats right end
Speaker 3: that that deal. COVID not for a while with that
Speaker 3: gift being reported. But he had a rough relationship with
Speaker 3: Charlotte Flair where there was accusations and the police being called, uh,
Speaker 3: with some fighting and all that stuff going on, and
Speaker 3: there was talk about Canille possibly getting a look by
Speaker 3: WWEE and coming on board there. But then again that
Speaker 3: ended up not happening, and it probably was the best
Speaker 3: case scenario considering I'm sure there would be an issue
Speaker 3: possibly maybe still between those groups. So that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: And that's got nothing to do with aw Dynamite tonight,
Speaker 3: which will happen at eight pm Eastern time.
Speaker 4: Bring it up on air if they give him a mic.
Speaker 3: That's if possible. But didn't he get into a fight?
Speaker 3: You know what? Now we're getting too deep into things,
Speaker 3: uh with all of that, so we'll just back out
Speaker 3: slowly from all of that sort of stuff. Maybe that'll
Speaker 3: be in the Seven Bucks Productions movie. We'll get to
Speaker 3: see what happened with any Father's Day wishes from Brahm
Speaker 3: and Rick Blair back in the day. I could have
Speaker 3: sworn and it's been made official. I guess I could
Speaker 3: have sworn this was made official months ago. Apparently it
Speaker 3: was not. We've just been talking about it and the
Speaker 3: shows have just been airing on the app anyway. But
Speaker 3: Billy Corgan has announced today that his National Wrestling Alliance
Speaker 3: will be available for streaming on the CW app and
Speaker 3: there will be a reality show that follows him around
Speaker 3: in both his public and private life. He hopes NWA's
Speaker 3: deal with the CW App helps his promotion quote show
Speaker 3: that there are other voices in professional wrestling end quote. Oh,
Speaker 3: there's going to be more quotes here in a moment,
Speaker 3: and you'll love it. NWA programming has been available on
Speaker 3: the streaming service February sixth, but an official announcement regarding
Speaker 3: the deal was made today. The NWA and CW also
Speaker 3: revealed on Wednesday that a reality show starring Corgan will
Speaker 3: debut on the app later this year. The unscripted show
Speaker 3: will focus on Qurrigan's life, family, role as NWA president,
Speaker 3: and his day job. New episodes of NWA Power are
Speaker 3: released every Tuesday on the app they've already been playing.
Speaker 3: Past seasons of the show are available as well. This
Speaker 3: time came from the press release okay quote democratizing access
Speaker 3: to action packed wrestling from some of the sport's biggest, boldest,
Speaker 3: and brightest personalities. All programming is notably available free of
Speaker 3: charge and without a subscription via the Cwapp. It represents
Speaker 3: a monumental power move for the NWA. The partnership not
Speaker 3: only amplifies the brand's presence throughout popular culture and the zeitgeist,
Speaker 3: but also sets a precedent for wrestling at large, democratizing
Speaker 3: access and a zeitgeist. What do you think about that, filthy.
Speaker 4: I think they're trying to get their SRO up or
Speaker 4: what is SEO Search Engine optimization up through the roof
Speaker 4: those terms.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they have any SROs when it
Speaker 3: comes to NWA events recently here, but I so I
Speaker 3: look again, these shows have already been airing up on
Speaker 3: the CW app and I guess it has been now
Speaker 3: we know it's been made official here and look, any
Speaker 3: I don't know how much this is going to help them,
Speaker 3: you know, but maybe they can end up with a
Speaker 3: spot because they're gonna have time to fill on the weekends.
Speaker 3: And again, I don't know how it's going to work
Speaker 3: with like NASCAR, but they are. They're picking up whatever
Speaker 3: it's called now whatever the Bush Series races are, the
Speaker 3: EXPENDEDE Series, whatever the series right under the main NASCAR
Speaker 3: series is called. Now, they're gonna have stuff that gets
Speaker 3: rained out right or you're gonna have rain delays. This
Speaker 3: seems like something that if everything goes right and the
Speaker 3: Sinister Minister is not snort and coke anymore. You know,
Speaker 3: like if they can keep literally their noses clean, like
Speaker 3: maybe the show can end up on CW proper, you know, nowhere,
Speaker 3: and maybe it doesn't get promoted that much because WWE's
Speaker 3: NXT is going to be on there. But maybe this
Speaker 3: can actually end up being a good thing for them
Speaker 3: in the long run. I mean it's possible, right, Maybe
Speaker 3: it's possible.
Speaker 4: I would think if I were a CW executive, I'd
Speaker 4: probably look towards, you know, some sort of fringe NXT programming,
Speaker 4: if I was gonna throw it into that slode, just
Speaker 4: based on prestige of the companies. You know, maybe the
Speaker 4: NXC combine you're throwing a few action packed spurts from that,
Speaker 4: maybe something a few matches from Speed. Maybe they could
Speaker 4: work out a deal there.
Speaker 3: Oh, you can't do that. That's exclusive. That is that
Speaker 3: is X only your speedy matches.
Speaker 4: Oh, I apologize then, but you know, I mean it
Speaker 4: can't hurt. That's the biggest thing when it comes to
Speaker 4: the NWA getting access to the CW app. I'm good.
Speaker 4: I think I'm good with watching Billy Corgan's private life,
Speaker 4: but you know, maybe a show about his public persona
Speaker 4: would be a little bit more appetizing.
Speaker 3: Were you ever Smashing Pumpkins fan back in the nineties?
Speaker 3: Was the world a vampire for you?
Speaker 4: I recognize his skills as a musician. I don't really
Speaker 4: know what he's doing out there, but I respect it.
Speaker 3: I think the only times I've seen him Lollapalooza. He
Speaker 3: was there at that one where Pavement opened up and
Speaker 3: we went through the one in West Virginia and somebody
Speaker 3: threw a big mudpie and knocked Pavement off stage, which
Speaker 3: I'm sure Bailey Corgan must have been thrilled about. But
Speaker 3: there was that one, and then actually saw Garbage and
Speaker 3: Smashing Pumpkins right before who was it the keyboardist or
Speaker 3: the bassist odeed or whatever back And this was like
Speaker 3: ninety eight, ninety se whatever it was. But man, Garbage
Speaker 3: was awesome. Sureley Manson was tremendous. That damn it was
Speaker 3: a good group. That was a good show. Could have
Speaker 3: left after Garbage. You know, no offense, Billy this. I
Speaker 3: wasn't not a big Smashing Pumpkins fan, so we don't
Speaker 3: use it as bumper music. We got Midnight Rider, and
Speaker 3: hearing Midnight Rider means we got to take a ride
Speaker 3: to break Resting Observe alive.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper Vb on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3: Back I'm showing much simper Vb. Filthy, Tom Waller here
Speaker 3: with you, filthy. Let me. I just got to ask you,
Speaker 3: where do you come down on a gas station performance
Speaker 3: enhancing supplements.
Speaker 4: I don't come down on him. I'm up and go
Speaker 4: for the whole time.
Speaker 3: Hour, yeah, hours, It just it's a.
Speaker 4: I can go for hours, but what I can't do
Speaker 4: is watch NXT for hours.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 4: Luckily, Luckily I do it in one hour. Can we
Speaker 4: get through it in one minute?
Speaker 3: Well? You we absolutely can, because I'll ask you, is
Speaker 3: there anything that stood out to you last night besides
Speaker 3: the immaculate acting of Lyra Valkyrira and Tatum Pasley?
Speaker 4: You know what, I was very impressed by the fact
Speaker 4: that lash Legend and Lyra Valcarria went out there and
Speaker 4: had what I believe was essentially a call it on
Speaker 4: the fly shoot contest, and especially for someone of lash
Speaker 4: Legend's experience. Brian said it a few weeks ago and
Speaker 4: I've got to agree with him after this. She has
Speaker 4: really turned the corner and improved, and there was a
Speaker 4: time where he thought she wasn't gonna get it. I
Speaker 4: wasn't impressed, but lash Legend has won me over.
Speaker 3: She is absolutely again coming along very very well about
Speaker 3: Kiria ultimately hit a flying body press to win the match.
Speaker 3: We saw where unfortunately Shatzi, who announced on her social
Speaker 3: media she's gonna be out like Piking around nine months
Speaker 3: out with a torn acl she was delivering a DDT
Speaker 3: through the ropes to the apron where she jumped down
Speaker 3: to the floor. As she did that, her left knee
Speaker 3: gave out, So tough situation there. Lash Legend had the
Speaker 3: match with Klanne Jordan right before that, which meant she
Speaker 3: was still in her year. When Roxanne Perez found out
Speaker 3: about this as the match was going on, boy was
Speaker 3: she pissed off. And this is all leading to her
Speaker 3: still going after the women's title. Tony DiAngelo sounds like
Speaker 3: we'll be going after the main title as twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four rolls on as well. Filthy A professional job you did.
Speaker 4: Sir, Thank you, as did you, Mike, and let's close
Speaker 4: it off with one more professional move take us home.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again after a while.
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