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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Returning from some

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Speaker 1: ghost projects just like James Gordon Meek shout out to you, James, Uh, Ben,

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Speaker 1: are we gonna do? We get to figure out what

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Speaker 1: the secret project was? Now? We all will get to

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Speaker 1: figure it out at some point. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: A black bagged well well well well, uh this is cool.

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Speaker 1: The listener Mail weekly segments one of our favorite things.

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Speaker 1: We always make, uh see keep the fog Horn and duck.

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Speaker 1: We always make new episodes and we always want to

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Speaker 1: take time. You know, Matt Noll are very very busy

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Speaker 1: people in charge of a million things that you may

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Speaker 1: or may not be aware of, fellow conspiracy realists, but

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Speaker 1: we all take the time to hang out with our

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Speaker 1: favorite part of the show, the best part, which is you.

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Speaker 1: In this week's listener mail segment, we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about We're gonna talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: crime in the real world, and uh, what better way

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Speaker 1: our favorite hobby horses, space junk, you know, Matt, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about in the past. Of course, if extraterrestrials happened by, uh,

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Speaker 1: why can't humans just clean it up? Well, this is

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Speaker 1: why we can't have nice things. Um. This email comes

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Speaker 1: to us from regular contributor The Baron near Eaton Upon, Lancashire,

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Speaker 1: with a small little garden that grows periwinkle. Baron Eaton

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Speaker 1: is fine as always. Thank you again for the Silurian hypothesis.

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Speaker 1: Episode filled with many tendril horrors that poked did my

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Speaker 1: squishy human wet wear and made me believe that Looper

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Speaker 1: and another email, I am sure, since this one rambles

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Speaker 1: a bit. I always thought the trope of star Metal

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Speaker 1: was not about meteors falling from the heavens, but of

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Speaker 1: ancient civilization space debris after their orbit decayed too much. Well,

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Speaker 1: and there's a link here for two TV tropes article

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Speaker 1: I'll look into it later on my own time. While

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Speaker 1: metals Baron goes on from meteors have been forged into

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Speaker 1: love this guy. Who is to say that the Excalibur

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Speaker 1: my ancient history. Plausible accurate, Oh, Heaven's no, merely plausible.

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Speaker 1: so that happened. He doesn't realize what's happening, but he

426
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: realized that there's an alarm and he's like, oh boy,

427
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: what's about to happen. These guys roll up, like he said,

428
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: in this like all black military style garb Um. Did

429
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: they identify themselves when they approached. No. What they did

430
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: say after they took all of Chen's identifying information was

431
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: where would the U. S. Government? That's all. It's fine,

432
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Then it's fine. Oh good, Yeah, it's right. Okay. They also,

433
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: by the way, are heavily armed. They're not rolling up

434
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: with some nines or on the back. Black doesn't mean

435
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: all black dress. Yeah, yes, um. And they said before

436
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: you could continue working, they had to run his name

437
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: through their office. He had he had to just sit

438
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: there for a while while they ran that check on him.

439
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: They just watched him. Then he got to do his

440
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: work and you know, check the line. And it's this

441
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: cool thing where um, look, I don't understand it everybody

442
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: out there working in the utility space, but they've got

443
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: a device that essentially sends a frequency through whatever type

444
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: of line it is, and they send that frequency through.

445
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: Then they go down to the other end, like if there's, um,

446
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: if there's gonna be some digging or something nearby, they

447
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: go down to the other end of where that digging

448
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: will be and they check to see if the line

449
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: is are or not in a particular place, right, like,

450
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: where are these lines and are they working properly? That's

451
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: what he's doing. So he does his work. Then, Uh,

452
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: the agents whoever they were, suggests that they go to

453
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: a secondary location. And what have we learned about secondary locations?

454
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Don't go? Don't go? Yeah, yeah, number one rule. Uh,

455
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: this is it and it's not us joking, folks, just

456
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: in general. And also note again, h Chen is doing

457
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: everything correct as far as we know. And Matt, you

458
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: spoke with Chen directly and everything seemed above board in

459
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: terms of this individual's behavior. But still refusal to identify

460
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: in a specific way is dangerous, right, And had had

461
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: you demanded clarification, Chen, then that may have been considered

462
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: an escalation or assistance something that would be non compliance.

463
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: So you were very briefly, as you know, very deep water.

464
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: My friend. Yes, thankfully, he was on the telephone like

465
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: as this is all happening with his supervisor, and his

466
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: supervisor basically stated, no, you cannot take him. You you

467
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: cannot take him, and he will not go with you.

468
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: There's another question just this. This is a question that

469
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of a lot of people who

470
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: work in similar related industries will have. Why is there

471
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: not some sort of mechanism or procedure or policy to

472
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: give a heads up when this sort of work needs

473
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: to be done? You know what I mean? Like, if,

474
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: for instance, if someone is for some reason delivering pizza

475
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: to the White House, there's probably this thing, right, There's

476
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: probably some sort of process in place such that folks

477
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: working at say, seen Hunter will know this is the

478
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: actual pizza delivery person. Why did that not happen? Also,

479
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: there's a domino effect. This is Chen's job, so now

480
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: we're losing all the other stuff he could have been

481
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: doing that day because he's getting the integree, which again

482
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I understand it's necessary. It is correct, they are moving correctly.

483
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: This is not a thing on anyone involved. But I

484
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: feel like posing that question is reasonable. Matt. Also, I

485
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 1: feel like the answer is you want as few people

486
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: as possible to know about this thing, and having a

487
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 1: policy puts more ears and eyes and brains on it.

488
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Would you say that's correct? You're talking about a manhole

489
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: that's just on the street. It's just they're like all

490
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: the other manholes you see, and the trip trap of all,

491
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: a little trip trap, no camera just happ well. See,

492
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it was under surveillance camera something, right, and

493
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: that's why they got there as quickly. It probably wasn't

494
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: even the alarm. The alarm is like the oh, somebody's

495
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: going in. Can we also please, let's just read, let's

496
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: go ahead and get it said away. Let's call them

497
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: person holes if we could. Uh, I feel like man

498
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: hole is outdated, did you guys? See? Mr Rogers? I did,

499
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and I and it made me. I didn't like it.

500
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: It really didn't age well. So he was so aggressive

501
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: about it. He's like, it's not a woman hole. It's

502
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: not like when I saw that, you know. But well, yeah,

503
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: they've got the staples you have to climb down that

504
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: are kind of like you know, they're like staples. Yeah,

505
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: that's what they call them. Actually they call them staples.

506
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: It's part of urban exploration. But you've gotta be careful. Also, Uh,

507
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: legal department requires us to tell you you are not

508
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: supposed to go down there. Correct, don't do that, don't

509
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: don't even do that. So okay, this is all happening.

510
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: He has a stumble upon some kind of protected federal wire,

511
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: right there are I've got three possibilities for what that

512
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: wire could be going to. Okay, because it was pretty small,

513
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: so it probably had one specific purpose and was going

514
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: to one place. First of all, guys, I posted in

515
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: there some Google Maps references you can look at if

516
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: you want to. The first one is the David Skaggs

517
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Research Center. It's in Boulder, and it's kind of it's

518
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a strange place. It houses several tenants,

519
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: including Noah, the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration Earth System Research Laboratory.

520
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Oh it is their Earth System Research Laboratory, the National

521
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: Geophysical Data Center, the Space Environment Center, and the National

522
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Weather Service Forecast Office. Maybe it's a federal it's a

523
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: government facility, right and it's pretty close by, but it

524
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like there would be that much interest in

525
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: protecting the data that they have. Maybe you would still

526
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: want to protect it, but maybe not to that degree. Segent,

527
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean number one here, So Segan first

528
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: would be maybe there is a way of acquiring some

529
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: of that global meteorological data, and uh, you don't want

530
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: to expose how or where that's collected. Maybe maybe fitballing

531
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: and spitballing, unless there's other stuff going on at the

532
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: SKAG Center. Come on, maybe maybe the other option was

533
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: mentioned by Chen and it is the Denver Federal Bureau

534
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation office that is in downtown Denver, and

535
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: it is kind of in central downtown Denver, which is

536
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: a bit far oh of, like far away from the

537
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: area where Chen is operating. But maybe maybe it's leading

538
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: all the way down there. And if dude, if somebody

539
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: was trying to just tap into the FBI office, that

540
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: could be a big deal. I'm gonna game show this

541
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: is that. Okay, when uh Matt contestant number one here,

542
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm holding all the bags of badgers for option number three.

543
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: That's that's why I want to go with option number three.

544
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: Double down. While you're with me, yes, yes, all right,

545
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with number two for now, Okay. Number

546
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: three is this place called the Table Mountain Field Site,

547
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: which is also very close to Boulder in the area

548
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: where our friend is operating. This place, guys, I didn't

549
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: know this. There's another radio quiet zone. I didn't know

550
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: there was another radio quiet zone and it's right outside Denver.

551
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Just north of Boulder on this on this thing called

552
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Table Mountain, and it's a research center and facility and uh,

553
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: kind of cool stuff going on up there. Guys. It

554
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: makes me wonder just what are they doing? What are

555
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: they doing over there in that quiet zone because you

556
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: can do whatever they're doing, they're doing it quietly. They are,

557
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: according to their official stuff, they support fundamental research into

558
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: the nature, interaction and evaluation of telecommunication devices, systems, and services.

559
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like much fun. Yeah, there's there's a

560
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: lot of earth science happening over there. And let me

561
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: go to the facilities on their website, I T S

562
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: dot n T i A dot gov. So exciting, such

563
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: a good u r L. There is a Spectrum Research

564
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Laboratory which is just just looking at radio spectrum usage

565
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and occupancy. And that's what one of the main reasons

566
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: they've got a radio quiet zone. They also have an

567
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: open field radio test site which studies outdoor radiation patterns. Uh.

568
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: They've got a large turntable that does stuff not for

569
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, like really huge fin the biggest final you've

570
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: ever seen, like ten and two big robotic hands. The

571
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: good people of Boulder tremble in the nights, the brake

572
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: hits and then the space needle just bends down a

573
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: little bit. And you know they have to use the

574
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: space dev for the for the giant turntable. That's it

575
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: bends down. Yeah, okay, I was from from real far away.

576
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: Uh So then um, they also have two eighteen point

577
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: three meter or sixty foot parabolic antennas and there they

578
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: are steerable in both asimus and elevation. What's up? What's

579
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: the difference to satellite dish and a parabolic antenna. They're

580
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, right roughly because because you know,

581
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: at the Radio quiet Zone. At the Radio Quiet Zone

582
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: and Ben and I went to, they had a giant

583
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: motorized what we would call maybe in our parlance, a

584
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: satellite dish, but I think a parabolic antenna is just

585
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: an antenna with a parabolic dish around it to like,

586
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: you know, focus it. Yeah, it looks like a satellite dish. Well.

587
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: They are based at frequencies ranging from a four hundred

588
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: megahurts to six giga hurts. Jeez, this is like the

589
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: SNL sketch from Bill hayd and uh John Mulaney I

590
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: think wrote it. Writers deserved more credit. But he's like

591
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: the Stephan sketch. You know what I'm talking about. It's

592
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: got everything. Uh. So with everything you're describing, Matt. That's

593
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: why in this fake game show we're making up, I'm

594
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: putting my money on three. Uh primarily to be completely honest.

595
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: Primarily because of the nature of radio research there. You

596
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: would need to have if it's a quiet zone, right,

597
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: you would need to have wired connections. But still given

598
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: the distance that is actually they boast about that, they

599
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: boast about how everything is buried that goes in comes

600
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: out of there, but still not I mean, I think

601
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: you chose the top three best possible explanations. I have

602
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: no clue. I don't know if if you do or

603
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: chen does, or if you do know or document not

604
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: characteristically silent? What do you know? No, the he's with

605
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: Big Vinyl. Okay, so no, no, not all right, guys.

606
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Well that's it from Chenn. Thanks so much again for

607
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: sending us that voicemail. If you've got any information, give

608
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: us a call, send us an email. We're going to

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00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: be right back after a word from our sponsor with

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Speaker 1: some disturbing stuff. We have returned one more piece of

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Speaker 1: listener mail. It was hit up on Instagram by someone

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00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: who wants to remain anonymous. We will understand why just

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00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna read this will stop at any time for new questions.

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00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: Loved episode on shot spot or it was so well done.

615
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: I work at a really large software consulting firm Parentheses.

616
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: You know the name, but would probably have no idea

617
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: we do this type of work in Parentheses. I'm a

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00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: criminal analyst in the pre crime and Predictive Policing department.

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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people know that. We

620
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: currently utilize minority reports style analytics and provide them to

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Speaker 1: police departments and governments with a goal of proactively reducing

622
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: crime before it happens. This is a real person, it's

623
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: a real job. How do you reduce it before it happens? Though? Right?

624
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: It's an unknown unknown and you know, and so what

625
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: was that joke from earlier in the show, all these

626
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: people talk lazily talked about traveling back in time and

627
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: killing Hitler. You're not going to be the guy who

628
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: saved Hitler. You're going to be the guy who killed

629
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Speaker 1: a baby. That's how history will remember you. So yeah,

630
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: So this source goes on and says your episode made

631
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: me think of this because we utilize shot spot or

632
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: data in combination with a lot of other data points

633
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: self own calls, license plate info, real time arrest booking data,

634
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: ton more. My work is definitely more on the controversial

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00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: side of things, and I think there are pros and

636
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: cons with it. So you know, one of the responses

637
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: we have a conversation full disclosure, and one of the

638
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: initial things to message out in these sorts of conversations

639
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: is hey, please stay safe and don't feel like you

640
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: need to engage with us if it compromises your safety

641
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: or your families. So I got the green light on that. Again,

642
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: if you're listening to your safety and your anonymity are

643
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: important to us, you are the best part of this show.

644
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: Anonymous replies and says, I'm a boring civilian. I just

645
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: happened to work in this field, and uh I'll follow

646
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: up with some info. I had asked whether there was

647
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: anything this person wanted us to share with you, fellow

648
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: listener about how to maintain your cloud hygiene. If that's

649
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: less of a militaristic scary term, then op sack operational security.

650
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: So cloud hygiene going with that just a branding thing.

651
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Uh So source response, I think it's difficult for me

652
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: to provide observations about this personal opsec or cloud hygiene

653
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: just because it's not coming from the angle of here's

654
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: some tips to protect yourself for when this technology advances

655
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: end quote. It's more so that this technology is here

656
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: already and is being utilized. This is the scary part.

657
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: This is why we're talking about this on air. For example,

658
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: when I trained on the predictive policing software that we

659
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: build and use, I typed in my own name. I

660
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: have no criminal background, and it returned a ton of

661
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: info on me. It even had a map bullet pointed

662
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: with where I had been in the past several days

663
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: based on credit card purchases and shots of my license

664
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: plate from various cameras, as well as a prediction of

665
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: where I currently was. I don't know if any of

666
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: this was helpful at all. Um. This source goes on

667
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: to recommend you all collectively learn a little bit more

668
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: about something called flock Safety. Flock safety dot com a

669
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: company that this individual's company uses data from. It's similar

670
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: to shot Spotter, but think of more active visual component,

671
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: more cameras on there. So imagine you're there. Thank you Anonymous.

672
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Imagine you're there, right you. This is your job, and

673
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: just to take this system around the block. You know,

674
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: you type in uh max powers Astronaut with a Secret

675
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: or whatever your name is, and then it starts showing you,

676
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, Lord of the Ring style, some things that

677
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: have come to pass, some things that have yet to

678
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: be Uh. That's kind of spooky when it's your day

679
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: to day life and it's already happening. Anonymous is saying

680
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: that rubicon has been crossed? Is that surprising to you, guys? Yeah,

681
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: this is very surprising to me because I don't know

682
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: how you would effectively use it to actually prevent crime.

683
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm looking at Flox Safety's website right now, Ben,

684
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: and it's uh. I mean, you tell me if I'm wrong.

685
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: I think they just set up a bunch of cameras

686
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: and microphones in like a neighborhood or something, or a

687
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: small area. Whoever signs up, right, and they monitor everything

688
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: that happens, and they it's analytics forward, So if the

689
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: same Dodge charger comes through an area, they can verify

690
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: with their technology that it is the same Dodge charger

691
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: that keeps coming by. Is this scanning license plates or

692
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: like everything everything if it looks if it looks like

693
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: it has maybe a distinctive feature like a custom job,

694
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: a dent or you know the classic Atlanta window pane

695
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: which is or duct taper cards. I'd be impressed with

696
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: the tech if it wasn't so terrifying sounding, you know.

697
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: They also, oh, speaking of sounds, they're also monitoring for

698
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: how the vehicle sounds. Does that have any hiccups or chirrups?

699
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: More particularly, is it associated with screeching tires? Now, the

700
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: website seems very family friendly. What you're gonna see is

701
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: to grade school kids holding hands behind a headline that

702
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: says reduced crime in your community by up to seventy

703
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: and it goes on it talks about it. It's good.

704
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: It's a good website. Uh. It's also cloud connected. And

705
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: like you said, man's I have saw on Style twenty

706
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: four seven, this is not the company that employs anonymous

707
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: But as they said, they gathered data from a lot

708
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: of places. You may have noticed when you picked up

709
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and if you picked up an EFFE in the past

710
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: few years and you just operated out of the box,

711
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: you might have gotten some weirdly prescient alerts or little

712
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: notes from Apple from your pals in the Apple sandbox.

713
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: They would just say, hey, it's time to go to

714
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: the gym, And you don't know if they're being weirdly,

715
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: if they're weirdly negging you, or if they're just noticing

716
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: that you tend to go to the gym at seven

717
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: thirty pm X amount of times a week and which

718
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: days it's happening. There's also something they're just trying to

719
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: help you with. I was about to say, little little

720
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: metals that are like like, boy, you hit your you

721
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: hit your mark for the week. Wait a minute, where's

722
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: this coming from? Wow? Are you watching me? I love it?

723
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: This is also it's like that old meme. I think

724
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot more people would be okay with the surveillance

725
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: state in which the modern American lives. Uh, if they

726
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: got nicer messages occasionally, you know what I mean? If

727
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: you get something like you have a bad breakup and

728
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: get something just says an essay, It's like, hey, bro,

729
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: got this? Are they sending you like a bouquet of

730
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: flowers on your birthday or something? You know? Yeah, I

731
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: mean the budgetary costs they get a little weird. Maybe

732
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: they send you an n f T of flowers, so

733
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: you know they're your flowers. You guys, I want to

734
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: mention something really quickly. I'm still on that flock Safety website.

735
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: It's just kind of the corner of my eye. Here.

736
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: We last episode, on our Strange News episode that we

737
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: just recorded before this, we mentioned the Delphi murders in

738
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: the update with that. On this flock Safety website, there's

739
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: a picture of two elementary school age girls, young girls

740
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: on the front of their website and it says reduced

741
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: crime in your community buy up to sevent um. When

742
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: if you think about it, in the situation with those

743
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Delphi murders, if something like flock Safety was there, the

744
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: murderer or even the abductor would have probably been seen,

745
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: that vehicle would have been tracked or traced, and you

746
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: could then find whoever did that pretty easily. Probably, But

747
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: it's way more in my mind, and after a crime

748
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: has occurred, this is a much more effective way to

749
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: get those early leads rather than figure out who's going

750
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: to do the crime. If it sticks around in its

751
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: current form, this brings us to something else and you

752
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: get anonymous grateful for this inside perspective, l A. P

753
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: D got into the predictive crime or pre crime game

754
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: a while back through something called Operation Laser. And again,

755
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: the rubicon has passed. This bridge has already been burned.

756
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: You can't screw the lid back on Pandora's jar here,

757
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: and yes it's a jar. It's just it's a less

758
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: sexy story, but it's more accurate. Uh. In two thousand eleven,

759
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: l A p D factions are deployed Operation Laser, and

760
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: it would take information about past defenders over a two

761
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: year period. UH using tech developed buy a returning guest

762
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: of the show, the sketchy data analysis firm Palenteer bonus

763
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: points for anybody remembers that one and Uh. It would

764
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: score individuals based on their jacket, based on the rap sheet.

765
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: Been in a gang five points, you're on parole, you're

766
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: on probation, five points. Every time you get there's a

767
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: feedback loop. It's dangerous. Every time you get stopped by police,

768
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: whether or not that results in detainment or a conviction. Conviction,

769
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: that's some more points. Every time they just come knocking

770
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: on your door, who's there? Five more points. That kind

771
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh. And then when you look at the

772
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: aggregate of these points. You also see their overlaid geographically

773
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: where do you live? Right? And a lot of people

774
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: thought this could do a great job solving the saving

775
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: human lives, right. Uh. And then a lot of other

776
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: people said, Hey, this is kind of creating a feedback loop.

777
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: This is guilty before proven innocent, especially considering that a

778
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of folks in a probation or po situation do

779
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: have to interact with law enforcement. And if that system

780
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: automatically adds points right every time that interaction occurs, and

781
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: that interaction is mandated, are you not setting these folks

782
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: up to fail, right, especially considering that financially they're not

783
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: going to be in the best position. They are required

784
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: to live in certain locations in some cases, right, whether

785
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: it's a due to the circumstances or copyat surrounding their release,

786
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: or whether it's due just to the fact that they

787
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: can't afford to live in a nice area of Los Angeles.

788
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: The average US resident, by the way, cannot afford to

789
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: live in a nice part of Los Angeles. Nope, right,

790
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: we know we we traveled Los Angeles pretty frequently for work. Uh,

791
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: and I love it, love the town. So this I

792
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: was not too familiar with Operation Laser. I was interested

793
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: to learn almost a year ago exactly now. L A

794
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: p D ended Operation Laser because a massive public outcry.

795
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: They also had something called pred poll, like predator policing.

796
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: And this feels like it's just the future though surveillance

797
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: is already here. That's what Anonymous is saying. You know,

798
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: these nonprofits are doing good work from their perspective, they're

799
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: being good faith actors, whether or not you agree with them.

800
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: And then you could say the businesses that are doing

801
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: this stuff, they're trying to be good faith actors too.

802
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: They just want to make a little money on the

803
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: way because their for profit. But what's the answer. Can

804
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: we solve this in like the three minutes this show

805
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: has left? Wait, oh I'm going on that. Yeah, we've

806
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: got several jokes, that's the set up. Yeah, yeah, seriously though,

807
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: let us know your opinions on things like this. Again,

808
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, we did our best to represent UH in

809
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: the shots by ourself. We did our best represent their

810
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: take on the criticisms right, and we always tried. We

811
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you what to think, of course,

812
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: we want to tell you what other people are saying

813
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: and what can be factually proven, So let us know

814
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: your ideas, respond to anonymous, tell us what's on your mind.

815
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: But before you do that, before you get to the

816
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: various ways to contact us. As Matt said, we wanted

817
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to end on a good note. So we have not one,

818
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: but several jokes for you. So here a few from

819
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: returning jokester Humorous Harry, Humorous Harry. Remember the card is

820
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: a real card. It's real card rights joke books as well.

821
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna do a couple of these real quick,

822
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: and then we'll go to a voicemail joke. So, hey, guys,

823
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: why don't vampires eat beef because they're all the beef

824
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: is stolen because steak is bad for their hearts? All right, Okay,

825
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: we'll just do one more from Harry. Then we'll go

826
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: to the we'll go to the voicemailing. Here, let us

827
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: save these. I want to save these. Uh and Harry,

828
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: Harry is putting in the work here. All right, another

829
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: vampire joke. What do you call a vampire drummer? Oh?

830
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, hang on? Uh nope, nope, I

831
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: thought I could get it a dead beat. Uh. And

832
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: on that note we've got there would be a zombie

833
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: drummer Harry No, no, no, I mean vampires are technically

834
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: dead as well, Matt. They're just more suave and good

835
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: looking than vampires. Well, Harry said us this great list

836
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: of Halloween jokes. Let us know if you want to

837
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: hear more. But we want, uh want to treat this

838
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: last part like it opened, Mike, So we're making space

839
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: for all our performers. Um, Matt, you went to the

840
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: phone lines. You found one that I think I've made

841
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: my day. I love, I love a good uh sound

842
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: based joke. Noll of you heard this one, I'm not.

843
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hearing. It's cold where I hype

844
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: it up? But there we go. Here we go, Okap,

845
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: you did it. It's not our fault. This is KP.

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Speaker 1: use my voice. You ask for jokes, and so here's

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Speaker 1: that the creator, like new water slides are gonna be

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Speaker 1: And that's how the animals got off the boat. Right.

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Speaker 1: It was like it's like one of those airplane inflatable

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Speaker 1: evacuations are also strange. Uh, you know, as we needed

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Speaker 1: for evacuations. Yeah, okay, we're on the same page. Horizontal evacuation. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is very strange. Well what better? What better way

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