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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Jettie and no Hee Armstrong and Yetty. I want to

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Speaker 1: bring the schools.

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Speaker 2: I want to bring the schools back to the States.

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Speaker 2: And and I've said it a hundred times, we're ranked

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the list, and yet we spend more.

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Speaker 2: If you tell me about Indiana and some of these

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Speaker 2: great states that run really well Iowa. You tell me

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Speaker 2: about those states, and if they run their own education,

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Speaker 2: they're going to do a lot better than somebody sitting

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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC that couldn't care less about the pupils

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Speaker 2: out in the Midwest.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, places like New York and LA.

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Speaker 3: They should set the standards for the kind of education

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Speaker 3: your kid gets in stupid Iowa and stupid Indiana, and

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Speaker 3: then the federal government can force it on those people.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that is some excellent sarcasm there.

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate Trump's use of the term pupils, which

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Speaker 1: you don't hear that much anyway. Yeah, well, he's an

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Speaker 1: old man, he is that. So President Trump is sitting

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Speaker 1: on is still considering apparently an executive order that some

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Speaker 1: people thought might come out this week aimed at abolishing

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Speaker 1: the Education Department. By the way, some of them just

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Speaker 1: throwing it in there at Trump's age, he's damn near eighty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks. Who you me, anyone has worked

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Speaker 1: three weeks that much that hard at any age, let

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Speaker 1: alone eighty years old, I'd be in some sort of

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Speaker 1: rest facility, some sort of resk. God, anyway, back to you,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing anyway. A draft of the order directs Education

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Speaker 1: Secretary Linda McMahon to quote, take all necessary steps to

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Speaker 1: facilitate the closure of the Education Department based on the

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Speaker 1: maximum extent appropriate and permitted by law. And then and

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Speaker 1: that just refers to the fact that if Congress starts

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Speaker 1: a department and tasks it with specific things, really the

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Speaker 1: best you can do is pare it down to that

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Speaker 1: which is obviously undeniably what Congress said specifically. But agencies

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Speaker 1: tend to metastasize and take on a bigger and bigger

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Speaker 1: list of programs, a lodger remit. As they'd say in

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Speaker 1: the intellectual community, why can't you talk like regular people.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, to change the world in

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Speaker 1: the way they were never designed to do. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: some of the verbiage from the Draft report, the experiment

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Speaker 1: of controlling American education through federal programs and dollars and

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Speaker 1: the unaccountable bureaucrats those programs and dollars support has failed

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Speaker 1: our children, our teachers, and our families. The draft viewed

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Speaker 1: was labeled as predecisional.

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Speaker 4: I like that. I just like that term.

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Speaker 1: I live my life that way. Watch lots of issues.

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Speaker 1: I like that color for the drapes. But this is

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Speaker 1: a predecisional, you know, discussion.

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Speaker 3: I'm in my predecisional period on a number of things.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking to you the other day.

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Speaker 1: I want you to react to this from from your heart,

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Speaker 1: from your ticker, from your gut. Two hours spent looking

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Speaker 1: at granite and other counter surfaces for a kitchen remodel.

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Speaker 1: So did a new slip off your neck or how

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Speaker 1: did you end up in that situation? I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: This is how you tell us apart. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was fun. I perfectly embrace that. Other people are okay

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Speaker 3: I yes, dude, I don't understand that on any level whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I can almost convert you I'll convert you on one left.

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Speaker 1: The variety of colors and patterns that are produced by nature,

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Speaker 1: by God's creation, are astonishing and beautiful. I've awakened the

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Speaker 1: poet in your soul. Anyway, So I thought this was great.

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Speaker 1: Kim Strassel, who's a genius, quoting a lot of really

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Speaker 1: brilliant women on today's show, which which I think is great.

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Speaker 1: She's talking about the executive Order. She was writing about

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Speaker 1: it recently and is in favor of it, and I

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Speaker 1: love her description, you know, never mind her reasoning, which

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Speaker 1: is great. But never has a department been more deceptively titled.

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Speaker 1: To listen to this week's whaling, the Federal Education Department

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Speaker 1: is the beating heart of our nation's schools, and its

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Speaker 1: demise a straight line to an illiterate nation. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah, yeah, I gotta voice her articles because

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Speaker 4: Straight line to an illiterate nation.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta be scary, and as we practically

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Speaker 1: are now with de part of Education in charge. Well

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, yeah, the Education Department is more of

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Speaker 1: the straight line to an illiterate nation than its absence

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Speaker 1: would be the re our. Federal Education bureaucracy takes no

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Speaker 1: part in the daily, hard fought grind of teaching. Little

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Speaker 1: salute to the great teachers, That sentence goes out to

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Speaker 1: y'all because you're heroes.

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Speaker 3: I am stunned by the work a lot of my

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of teachers' unions are evil. Really hear themselves.

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Speaker 1: I love you, yeah, yeah. Anyway, So the Federal Education bureaucracy,

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Speaker 1: it takes no part in the daily, hard fought grind

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Speaker 1: of teaching. It does not step in classrooms, interview teachers,

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Speaker 1: or debate curriculum. It doesn't meet with parents, coach sports,

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Speaker 1: or set bus schedules. The department's only job is to

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Speaker 1: act as the keeper of the education treats. Every year,

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Speaker 1: these federal masters get some eighty billion dollars to dispense

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Speaker 1: on good behavior.

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Speaker 4: They hive off a dollop for their own salaries.

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Speaker 1: Well. The rest they dispense as if rewarding a pet.

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Speaker 1: Good state puppies, those that roll, fetch and fill out

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Speaker 1: paperwork and triplicate get grants from IDA funds.

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Speaker 4: Bad puppies lose their school lunch money.

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Speaker 1: Thus today's inane system in which kids from Taos to

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Speaker 1: Tallahassee are held hostage to a counterproductive mays of federal

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Speaker 1: rules that dictate dollars yet waste resources and stemy local innovation.

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Speaker 1: School stage Bingo nights when staff coach parents to minimize

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Speaker 1: their salaries on forms so that the school qualifies for

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Speaker 1: Title I Low Income funding. Wow. Parents and administrators fight

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Speaker 1: to get kids labeled special needs to score an individual

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Speaker 1: education plan and extract federal resources. And by the way, folks,

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Speaker 1: before you fire off an angry email that in no

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Speaker 1: way implies that any kid with special needs is trying

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Speaker 1: to do that, not at all. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: riddle in for ADHD. There are some cases that are

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Speaker 1: absolutely necessary. They're a hell of a lot that aren't.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, in recent years, the threat of losing

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Speaker 1: federal funds also sent district scurrying to comply with Joe

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Speaker 1: of specific examples of the specific grants and how they

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Speaker 1: they play the tune in the schools have to dance

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Speaker 1: to it. Whatever you know, whatever the cause, celeb is

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Speaker 1: restorative justice and transgender you know, boys playing girls' sports

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Speaker 3: You know, the thing Trump said there at the beginning

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Speaker 3: should be like the only part of the discussion, and

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Speaker 3: then go from there. We spend more than anybody else,

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Speaker 3: we get lower results. Even if you don't want to

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Speaker 3: compare to other countries, don't compare it to ourselves. We

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Speaker 3: out of it. What changed from you know, the year

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety or the new year nineteen seventy, that we

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Speaker 3: have to spend so much money per pupil and then

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Speaker 3: an obvious How would you get around it?

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Speaker 1: Sign that things are off the rails? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it's Washington thrives on this. But we need to return

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Speaker 1: to a plane spoken sentiment like this has been a failure.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to try now? As opposed to

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Speaker 1: the notion that, well, the Department of Education exists and

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Speaker 1: it does the things it does and we probably shouldn't

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Speaker 4: No, it's failed.

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Speaker 3: What are you try now? Or somebody just hit you

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Speaker 3: with teachers or heroes and right, you're supposed to just

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Speaker 1: You know anything else. And indeed Ms Strassel, much like

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Speaker 1: mister Armstrong and mister Trump, points out the formula afore

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Speaker 1: described sent one trillion dollars to schools since nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: producing a perfect inverse correlation of plummeting education scores. And

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Speaker 1: then she makes a point that I love, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is the end game of the discussion.

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Speaker 3: We're spending more and getting less need. Something's wrong. We

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Speaker 3: got to change, like massively change. But this is this

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Speaker 3: is how you get people to rally.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 4: We've established it needs to change.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to get them excited about it by

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Speaker 1: pissing them off. She writes, Yet what And she went

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Speaker 1: through gosh six or eight different ways the money flows

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Speaker 1: to schools for dancing to the tune being a good puppy.

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Speaker 1: Yet note what these federal funds have in common. The money,

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Speaker 1: ostensibly for the children, all goes to the adults to

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Speaker 1: hire more counselors and special ed teachers for those IEPs

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Speaker 1: sometimes great necessary, but more administrators to run various programs,

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Speaker 1: including perverse ones, legions of staff to input data, and

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Speaker 1: guess what. Most of those adults belong to a union

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Speaker 1: of Teachers, because the keeper of treats was, is and

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Speaker 1: always will be Jimmy Carter's thank you for Teachers Union endorsements.

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Speaker 1: Randy Weingarten controls the clicker, and then she's a little

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Speaker 1: annoyed that Trump has been a little passive on education

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Speaker 1: so far, but everything else has been so feverish it's

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Speaker 1: hard to it's easy to forget that. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is month number two. We'll get to it. It'll

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Speaker 1: be good. I hope you're Randy Winingarten.

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Speaker 3: Say hello to Hitler and Ojy when you get to Hell,

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Speaker 3: because that's where you're headed.

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Speaker 4: Amen to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she does say he didn't mention school choice in

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Speaker 1: his address as addressed to Congress this week, which would

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Speaker 1: have been good. But conservatives are already on the offence

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Speaker 1: and winning school choices exploding across the States. Those laboratories

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Speaker 1: and democracy innovating on scholarships, vouchers, savings, accounts, charters. New

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Speaker 1: generation and conservative leaders are embracing next steps accountability and standards, merit,

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Speaker 1: it in large measure. One one note, before we eliminate

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Speaker 1: the Department of Education, and although, honestly to answer myself

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Speaker 4: But we don't need a whold department for this.

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Speaker 1: But the still breathing Department of Education launched a public

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Speaker 1: portal last week for parents, students, teachers, and communities to

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Speaker 1: submit reports of sex and race based discrimination in public

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Speaker 1: K through twelve schools. The portal is called the nd

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Speaker 1: DEI Portal and allows the submission of an email address,

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Speaker 1: discrimination stuff is illegal, now my school is still doing

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's good because our friend Tim Sandifer, who works

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Speaker 3: for the Goldwater Institute. He tweeted out today win for Goldwater.

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Speaker 3: A Pennsylvania school district tried to hide its DEI from

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Speaker 3: a mom It claimed the materials were copyrighted so they

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Speaker 3: weren't subject to state's open records law, and Goldwater.

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Speaker 1: Change that in one Yeah, yeah, I could write a

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Speaker 1: book right now about ways colleges, especially and lower tiers

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Speaker 1: of education are getting around all the anti DEI stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'll give them points for creativity, but they are just

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Speaker 3: the Trump plan in Russia?

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Speaker 3: We might actually know now we might not armstrong and getty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Zelensky is playing ball a little more than

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen is Ukraine wants to make a

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Speaker 1: Also, what is that oh boy? Whether that's oh boy

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Speaker 3: I've got a button and it's right next to my

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Speaker 1: So let's get down to business. Yeah, wow, that's is

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Speaker 3: Think Trump has handled this beautifully and I'm all in

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Speaker 3: And they are a thing, the foreign policy what is

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Speaker 3: and that David Ignacius writes a little bit about in

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Speaker 1: To talk to you, right, yeah, and send the message, Hey,

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna be cool. Can you be cool?

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Speaker 3: Here's the paradox at the core of the negotiations, writes

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Speaker 3: the next six months. As for Russian President Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 3: In fact, to you, the diplomatic agenda was summed up

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Speaker 1: Yesterday Putin and I don't know if he's just waking

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Speaker 3: Puttn has been feasting on these carrots for months. But

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Speaker 1: So that's what we were talking about the other day.

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Speaker 3: lait a second, there are thirty thousand NATO troops here

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Speaker 4: Ah the hell did that happen?

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Speaker 3: Is that what Trump's secret strategy is? I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: it's a face saving thing too, of as you should

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Speaker 3: diplomacy is letting people walk away with their pride and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they call it legitimacy and political science. Sometimes it

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Speaker 4: Plus life's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: economic problems and social problems right now, I mean really

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Speaker 1: really serious. I wonder if the you know, Trump has

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Speaker 1: a hard time sitting unclassified information. There are a couple

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Speaker 1: of times through his tenure where, for instance, the Israelis

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Speaker 1: got crazy, pissed off or whatever, but he's obviously sitting

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Speaker 1: on something big.

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Speaker 3: If you don't see get information, you put it in

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Speaker 3: the back to mar a Lago, you pull the shower

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Speaker 3: curtains so nobody can see it.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fun.

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Speaker 4: Well right, yeah, I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so anyway, I wonder whether the classified stuff

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Speaker 1: he can barely keep to himself has to do with

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Speaker 1: ugh OLLI garks who are really really pissed off at Putin,

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Speaker 1: because remember they accumulated a large share of their wealth

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Speaker 1: by dealing with the West, doing business with Europe, for instance,

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Speaker 1: and Putin and his little warfs screwed all of that up.

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Speaker 4: I just I don't know what it could be, but

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Speaker 4: it's intriguing.

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Speaker 3: Well again, and I'm not trying to work too hard

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Speaker 3: to give Trump credit for this master plan. But for instance,

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Speaker 3: this week, Left Leaning TV was playing some of Russian

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Speaker 3: TV to say, see how this is playing back in

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Speaker 3: Russia where he got They're showing clips of Trump yelling

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Speaker 3: at Zelensky, at Jadvans yelling at Zelensky. They're playing that

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Speaker 3: on Russian TV. Well maybe that's so Putin can say, see,

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Speaker 3: we won, and when the settlement is done, I won.

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Speaker 3: I got twenty percent of the land. Zelensky's the punk.

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Speaker 3: Even according to the President of the United States. While

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day there are now thirty

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Speaker 3: thousand NATO troops there, we've established a business which is

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Speaker 3: practically the same as having troops there, and we're not

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Speaker 3: gonna let American material and business people be attacked by Russia.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, that's the that's the way.

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Speaker 3: Even uh Starmer British Prime Minister said that the other day.

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Speaker 1: He said it out loud.

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Speaker 3: He said, if the United States has a major business

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Speaker 3: interest in the Ukraine, that's our.

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Speaker 4: Backstop right right.

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Speaker 1: You know, Originally I thought you and David Ignatius were

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Speaker 1: hinting that Trump was trying to swell, as you said,

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Speaker 1: slip one past Putin, and I think that's that's fantasy.

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Speaker 4: He's just too calculating.

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Speaker 1: But the whole preserving his claim to legitimacy and victory thing.

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Speaker 1: Now that that that's got my attention. That is signific again,

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Speaker 1: even in a dictatorship. More on that and several other

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah, the one most confusing part to me

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Speaker 3: about Trump's strategy after this.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I don't understand about this is if

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Speaker 3: this is a strategy, is why wouldn't you let Zelensky

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Speaker 3: in on it behind the scenes. Hey, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 3: to yell at you and make it look like we're

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, what's you know

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Speaker 1: and explain to Zelensky.

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Speaker 3: And maybe Zelensky wouldn't agree with this because polling shows

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Speaker 3: Ukrainians still want to fight and he can't blame them

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Speaker 3: at all. But if the President said to him, look,

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Speaker 3: you're not getting that land back, and Zelensky's even said

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Speaker 3: we might not get all the land back. But if

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Speaker 3: Trump said to him, look, you're not getting to let

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Speaker 3: the land back. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: here's what's going to happen. We're going to have a

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Speaker 3: vested business interest, which is same as a military interest,

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Speaker 3: and they are going to be thirty thousand NATO troops there.

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Speaker 1: So that is your protection, all right. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: say that behind the scenes of the Zolensky instead of

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Speaker 1: having him It certainly would seem like completely confused by

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I don't know what standards there are

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Speaker 1: for Ukrainian TV, but Zelensky is not only a performer,

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Speaker 1: an actor, a comedian, but like the most popular one

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Speaker 1: could be, he's in on it. He's playing his role

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Speaker 1: as the the butt hurt. I thought we were allies

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Speaker 1: guy to a t jack. He sucked you in. Now

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Speaker 1: that's nine dimensional chess with a time machine. That's just

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00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: one final perspective about Putin and and Kremlinology has always

539
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: been in exact science at best. But this bloke, Rod

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Speaker 1: Martin is that that's not his name, is it.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to give credit words too, But.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about how Putin's control of Russia pales in

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Speaker 1: comparison to the Soviet Union's control, because you know, under

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Speaker 1: Stalin especially, the Communist Party was the organ by which

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Speaker 1: the control took place, and they were in every village,

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Speaker 1: practically every cottage. In every village there were a pair

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Speaker 1: of Communist Party eyes keeping an eye on things. And

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Speaker 1: they got paid back through you know, patronage and money

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00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: and power and the rest of it. But it's really

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Speaker 1: now just the oligarchs, and the control of the Russian

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Speaker 1: countryside is much less direct. And so this guy thinks, well,

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Speaker 1: he asked questions, is Putin in control? And to what

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Speaker 1: extent are the oligarchs of one mind? And what happens

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Speaker 1: when the war ends? The oligarchs don't want the regime

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Speaker 1: to fall, but whether they want Putin at the top

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Speaker 1: is another matter. So he just thinks it's much less

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Speaker 1: stable in Russia than we might think in the West.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, you gotta think that the gazillionaires there in

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Speaker 1: Russia have been saying to each other, if not to

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Speaker 1: Putin's face, what are we getting out of this? Well,

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Speaker 1: they were as rich as any human beings have ever

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Speaker 1: been prior to the invasion of Ukraine. What do I

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Speaker 1: need this for so you can feel like Peter the Great?

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Speaker 1: What's it for me? Do you want to take a break?

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Speaker 1: George Friedman wrote the piece, Thank you very much, Mike,

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Speaker 1: we got to take a break. I was just gonna

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Speaker 1: say putin coming out of COVID with that megal maniacle

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Speaker 1: I want to be the next Czar and grow the

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Speaker 1: giant Russian empire across the world. If his concern really

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Speaker 1: was NATO getting too close and playing foots you with.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine, why wouldn't he just say that?

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Speaker 1: Why is he putting out long fantasy screens about being

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Speaker 1: the new czar people who believe it was the West's fault? Coincidence? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good point. Okay, more on the way, stay here, Friday, y'all.

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Speaker 1: In my oldest kid's birthday, which means I've been a

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Speaker 1: parent for fifteen years as of today. Am no wonder

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Speaker 1: I know soul?

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Speaker 4: Your oldness?

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Speaker 1: Is that the explanation the exhaustion of being a parent?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Oh yeah, that too. Yeah, and the flu doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: Now, we could bring you some exciting results from America's

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Speaker 1: track and Field Championships, where dudes have beat down girls

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Speaker 1: in girls' sportsmen not in the mood for that. There

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Speaker 1: are some notable ones, including a race where the two

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Speaker 1: top female contenders said, we're not participating in this farce.

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Speaker 1: I'm just shocked.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked that doesn't happen more often. I understand why

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Speaker 3: you've been training your whole life, but I'm amazed there

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Speaker 3: aren't more parents that just lose their minds.

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Speaker 1: I would lose my mind. They'd have to get the cops. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you heard when that boy triple jumper whooped up on

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Speaker 1: the girls and beat them by eight feet eight feet

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Speaker 1: in a California match. All the folks in the stands

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Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, can you believe this? They

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Speaker 1: were disgusted and talk to each other, but they made

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Speaker 1: no formal protest, whether out of conformity, not wanting to

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Speaker 1: embarrass their children, or not wanting to target the confused

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Speaker 1: child involved.

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Speaker 4: I get that it's not necessarily cowardice.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I could stop myself. I really don't

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Speaker 3: think I could. I think I would run in front

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Speaker 3: of the stands and say, who's with me? This is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Does anybody disagree?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but we're talking about what I said. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to be talking about which we do all

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Speaker 1: the time because it's a great topic. But you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the themes has been picking and choosing what

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Speaker 1: the modern world presents to you, because taking the whole package,

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Speaker 1: I don't think is a very good idea.

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Speaker 4: And the theme might be better stated as.

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Speaker 1: The people trying to sell you the modern world do

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Speaker 1: not have your best interests at heart. There's another example

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Speaker 1: of it, and this is not old man shaking fisted clouds,

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Speaker 1: because it's not just the amount of changes. The pace

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Speaker 1: of change that I think is so dizzying to people

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Speaker 1: right now and they don't have time to slowly take

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Speaker 1: it in and decide whether, all right, do we want

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Speaker 1: a television set in our house? How much can the

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Speaker 1: kids watch? What shows can the kids watch? It's just

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Speaker 1: it all comes on like a tsunami. Anyway, This headline

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Speaker 1: caught my eye because I've kind of been on this

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Speaker 1: kick lately. No granola eye. But ultra processed foods make

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Speaker 1: up over half of American diets, even at home. Oh

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Speaker 1: according to a recent study, it's fifty four percent of

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Speaker 1: the diet at home and almost sixty one percent away

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Speaker 1: from home, challenging the assumption that home cooking is automatically

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Speaker 1: healthier because a lot of home cooking as you take

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Speaker 1: some convenience food out of the freezer and heat it

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Speaker 1: up and eat it, but it's ultra processed, lots of chemicals,

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Speaker 1: you know, lots of weird industrial inputs, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: minimally processed foods like fruits, vegetables and unaltered meats. That's

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Speaker 1: declined significantly, drop from just thirty percent of at home

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Speaker 1: calories and twenty four percent of away from home calories

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Speaker 1: by twenty eighteen. That's weird and weirdly worded anyway, And

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Speaker 1: these trends were consistent across almost all demographic groups, suggesting

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Speaker 1: widespread structural factors rather than individual choices or driving the

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Speaker 1: shift toward more processed diets. I'm not sure i'd phrase

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Speaker 1: that the same way either. I would just say, much

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Speaker 1: like you know, the wonders of the Internet and social

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Speaker 1: media and all sorts of things, appeared to be all

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Speaker 1: good and it took us while to recognize the bad.

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Speaker 1: Having incredibly delicious, ridiculously convenient food at our fingertips all

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Speaker 1: the time seemed to be a dream come true. He

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Speaker 1: left out cheap, Yeah, no kidding, but with everybody obese

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Speaker 1: and young people developing cancer at rates that they never

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Speaker 1: have before, and all sorts of stuff. I think it's

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Speaker 1: yet another example of yeah, the people who are profiting

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Speaker 1: from this stuff or I absolutely love it. Is this

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Speaker 1: something you would choose if you sat down and thought

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