WEBVTT - Ep. 12 — We've got a problem with travel hackers

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<v Speaker 1>Are we live?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, and we're back episode twelve with Brown Ambition.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get started some buzz.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do some fun. Something fun at first.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh Starbucks, Yes, let's talk about Starbucks. There's some nonsense

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<v Speaker 3>happening every so, this happens every holiday season. The Fox

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<v Speaker 3>News is of the world, like the Christian sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like the right wing conservatives come out with something.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll find anything to prove there's like a war.

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<v Speaker 3>On Christmas, Christians and Christmas, like there's a war on

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<v Speaker 3>the holidays. Usually it's when everyone says happy Holidays, like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to say Merry Christmas and screw you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And this year they decided to go in

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<v Speaker 3>on Starbucks. Yes, Starbucks has a new Every year they

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<v Speaker 3>have a new cup, I guess, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's usually like some some sort of holiday Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>theme cup, and passing years it's been like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like ice skates and snowflake snowflakes and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're totally key. You can google it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this year the cup is red and green and

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<v Speaker 1>it's devoid of like snowflakes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no patterns. It's like an ombre yes and it's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know, it's like whatever, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>freaking cup, Like who thinks about that exactly? But now

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<v Speaker 3>people are saying that because there's no festive accoutrement, that

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<v Speaker 3>they think it's Starbucks's a way of ignoring Christmas and

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<v Speaker 3>of course there's a war on Christmas now, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think is such utter bullshit. I actually went to weather

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<v Speaker 3>dot com and looked up the weather in Bethlehem.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is a real place where Jesus was born.

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<v Speaker 2>This was born there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they travel from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 3>in December it is a smooth sixty degrees in Bethlehem.

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<v Speaker 2>You means to tell me there's no snowflakes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no snowflakes in Bethlehem.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, so Jesus was not born on a wintry night.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no snowflakes from nobody was ice skating in

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<v Speaker 3>Bethlehem the night that Jesus was born. Like, it is

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with snowflakes. You guys need to calm down, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>please do. And so I read that. I read that

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<v Speaker 3>there were six passengers on the Spirit Airlines. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>Spirit Airline is like the toilet bowl of all airlines.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is just the worst. It's so bad I've

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<v Speaker 3>had I feel like everyone has a like a Spirit

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<v Speaker 3>Airline horror story. If you travel, because you get lured

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<v Speaker 3>in by that, like you know, one hundred dollars round

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<v Speaker 3>trip ticket and then you're like, oh, and it's thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five dollars for a carry on and oh like ten

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<v Speaker 3>dollars for booking online and not.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't pronoun your ticket ahead of time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Frontier some bullshit.

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<v Speaker 5>Yea.

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<v Speaker 3>So they apparently like so they constantly overbook and they

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<v Speaker 3>have so few flights, so like if you get bumped

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<v Speaker 3>from a flight, you have to basically stay over in

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<v Speaker 3>that city because they have so few.

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<v Speaker 1>Flights for people.

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<v Speaker 3>So they overbooked, and they had these to this this

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<v Speaker 3>African American couple. They wanted to change seats, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they asked them, and the couple was like, no, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to change seats.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 3>We paid money, like why do we have to change seats?

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess things got a little out of out

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<v Speaker 3>of hand, and then other passengers kind of like piped

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<v Speaker 3>in and stood up. I guess four other passengers who

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<v Speaker 3>were African American like started arguing with Spirit with the

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<v Speaker 3>flight attendant, and then she called the cops, and the

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<v Speaker 3>cops came and everybody like, all these six people had

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<v Speaker 3>to get off.

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<v Speaker 2>The flight got kicked off, and so now spirits in

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<v Speaker 2>a world of bad press.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet again, Yes, and yeah, you know, and obviously like

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard when you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>There to see what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to see what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, there is that whole thing like would

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<v Speaker 3>this have escalated so much if they weren't black? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>like are they going to be so quick to call

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<v Speaker 3>the cops if it was like a little old white

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<v Speaker 3>lady or you know, just anybody else. Besides that, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like people are it's always like when you are,

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<v Speaker 3>when you were outspoken and black, what the feedback is like,

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<v Speaker 3>why are you so angry?

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<v Speaker 2>Calm down?

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<v Speaker 1>Like because the threat, the threat is always that violence

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<v Speaker 1>is coming next.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like someone's gonna pull them niight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like if you went.

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<v Speaker 3>Through security, exactly, nobody has sharp botches. We're using our

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<v Speaker 3>voices exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a a gentleman that told me that he always

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<v Speaker 1>asked for a second employee. He said that way before

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<v Speaker 1>if he feels like, you know, he started to get angry,

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<v Speaker 1>he starts to escalate, he said, because we would need

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<v Speaker 1>to have more than just two stories here, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to there's this really funny rant by

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<v Speaker 1>this woman, young woman named c dot c CS in

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<v Speaker 1>the letter C like cat EE dot C e E TV,

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<v Speaker 1>so C dot cd TV on YouTube, or you can

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<v Speaker 1>just google a Spirit Airlines rant. It is hud.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to play a little clip. She has a

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<v Speaker 2>story hilarious. Yes, thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 6>So online checking the bag and they're like forty dollars

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<v Speaker 6>for check that, forty five dollars for carry on. What

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't think I was reading it right because normally

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<v Speaker 6>carry on free. I'm doing all the work myself. Why

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<v Speaker 6>why am I paying you to carry my own bag?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't I was very turned off in the first

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<v Speaker 6>five minutes of Spirit Airlines at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So I paid eighty dollars forever check my bag going

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<v Speaker 1>to and coming from. So the flight was tours except stops.

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<v Speaker 6>So then if you can tackle on another eighty somebody

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<v Speaker 6>do the math wire kicking your.

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<v Speaker 1>Head somewhere three hundred and fifty six. Now, Spirit, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to stop bamboozling people. You need to stop. It's

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<v Speaker 1>what got me there, they got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever is thee That was hilarious? Yes, it's so true. God,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you need to look out for those hidden fees.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they actually add on fees for the holidays too,

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<v Speaker 3>just for traveling during a high traffic season.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh spirit, you stole her spirit? Any other buzz worthy

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<v Speaker 1>but body? Yeah, a couple, Well this could be a win. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll save this one, but I want to talk about Serena.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the clip? Yes? I didn't actually, but

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Serena Williams tennis star Extraordinary, was at dinner at

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant and she posted this thing on Instagram about

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<v Speaker 3>how she noticed some guy like creeping behind her, but

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't want to like, you know, assume.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst, but she kept her eye on him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she like had her cellphone on the chair

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<v Speaker 3>next to her, and he just like walks by, casually

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<v Speaker 3>picks it up, and then walks out of the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she chases him down in her in her

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram post. You know, of course she's she says she's

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<v Speaker 3>chases him down and she's like he didn't realize I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be so fast, you know, and like she came back

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone cheered for her and whatever, and like the

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<v Speaker 3>picture on Instagram was of a superwoman, like her dress

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<v Speaker 3>like superwoman.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that picture.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Women like don't feel like just because you're a woman,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't stand up for yourself. This is an example

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, just like girl power or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 3>part of me is like yay, part of me is

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<v Speaker 3>also like.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't chase down a crook.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like maybe they have a gun, Yeah, perhaps they

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<v Speaker 3>have a knife. Like that's not you know, but good

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<v Speaker 3>for her. And then they actually have security footage from

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<v Speaker 3>the from the incident, so she's telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>You see the.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy behind Harry picks up the phone. She doesn't chase

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<v Speaker 3>him down the street. She's not running like, he's really

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<v Speaker 3>just strolling, and she just also strolls after him and stops,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sounds like they have like a polite exchange.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, did you take my phone?

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<v Speaker 5>Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, yeah, here you go and hands it

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<v Speaker 2>to her.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's no like like creaky chase she's doing on

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<v Speaker 1>the You know how fishermen have like those fishermen stories

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<v Speaker 1>like then I.

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<v Speaker 3>Pulled the big not just fishermen, Like apparently presidential candidates

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<v Speaker 3>have been a little a little bit embellishing some of

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<v Speaker 3>their stories do tell. So Ben Carson, who was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be my brown break, Actually eventually he probably won't be,

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<v Speaker 3>but I have something else today. But Ben Carson obviously

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<v Speaker 3>is gaining in the polls, and that's just put a

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<v Speaker 3>huge bulls line on his back and people that are

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<v Speaker 3>really digging into his past. He's obviously over now and

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<v Speaker 3>we're a neurosurgeon. He wrote a book in the early

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<v Speaker 3>nineties called Gifted Hands. Gifted Hands. He's like, was it

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<v Speaker 3>an autobiography? You're gonna have a memoir thing? Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>several news reports this week have come out saying so

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<v Speaker 3>one of like three different things he's sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>fudged details about. So one that CN ended was all

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<v Speaker 3>about how he claims to have had all these anger issues,

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<v Speaker 3>and he claims to have pulled a knife on a

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<v Speaker 3>friend one time and like beat up people and been

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<v Speaker 3>really violent, and apparently he had some kind to Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>moment where he was in the bathroom and he had

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<v Speaker 3>just like almost killed or just wanted to kill one

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<v Speaker 3>of his friends, and he was in the bathroom and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, and then I reached in the drawer and

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<v Speaker 3>pulled out the Bible, and then I like I my

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<v Speaker 3>second coming or whatever, like Jesus helped him and then

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<v Speaker 3>he became this new life of like you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>kindness and Christianity or whatever. Okay, So CNN went back

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<v Speaker 3>and talked to like a bunch of his classmates from

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<v Speaker 3>this time in his life, and none of them were

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<v Speaker 3>like they're like ben like violent.

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<v Speaker 2>He was kind of nerdy. I wouldn't remember him like

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<v Speaker 2>pulling punch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, like as he was talking to talk like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I used to be out thug out in

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<v Speaker 1>these streets.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so random, Like why and especially in a book

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<v Speaker 3>that supposed to be like, you know, talking about yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>why would you say something negative about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I guess it's it's the build up to

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<v Speaker 1>like and you know, everyone has to have like the arc,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and their story, like I was so terrible

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<v Speaker 1>and then Jesus saves me and then I'm better. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying Jesus can't save you. Yeah, but let

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<v Speaker 1>it be authentic. You don't need to give extra you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lies to I don't know. That just seems really crazy

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<v Speaker 1>and not just that.

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<v Speaker 3>So he also said that he was offered a scholarship

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<v Speaker 3>to West Point, which is this like highly competitive military academy,

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<v Speaker 3>and turns out there are no scholarships to West Point

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<v Speaker 3>because people who go there don't pay, and the only

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<v Speaker 3>way to get in is you have to be you

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<v Speaker 3>have to have a reference from like basically someone in

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<v Speaker 3>Congress or someone in political power or from the military

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<v Speaker 3>has to refer you, and nobody, like he nobody referred him,

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<v Speaker 3>and he didn't actually get admitted at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the way he explains it is that he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>actually I had a conversation with someone who said I

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<v Speaker 3>should apply, but he only had ten dollars and back

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<v Speaker 3>then it cost ten dollars to apply to college. He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I only had ten dollars, so the one place I

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<v Speaker 3>applied to was he was a Yale and he got

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<v Speaker 3>into Yale and went on And I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 2>You have an amazing career. The story is amazing. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to add in these lies.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I mean exactly like you went to Yale. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this happens, like you always hear these stories about people,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like, oh, like the people who lie on

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<v Speaker 3>their resume and they become like executives at these major companies.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you find that later you're like, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the the news anchor.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy Brian Williams. That wasn't a resume, that was like

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<v Speaker 3>an Embellas story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I always see like the memes on him, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like the time I was hanging out Beyonce and jay Z.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, it's sad because you know, I think we've

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<v Speaker 3>all done. I'm guilty of it too, Like you retell

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<v Speaker 3>a story and it just gets a little bit more dramatic.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you are on that.

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<v Speaker 3>When you get to this public stage and you are

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<v Speaker 3>in front of a camera and you're talking to people

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<v Speaker 3>like you cannot be lying, especially in the day, in

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<v Speaker 3>the age of Google.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that everyone can find out.

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<v Speaker 3>I can imagine Ben Carson in the nineties being like,

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<v Speaker 3>how they gonna know? You know, like there's not even

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<v Speaker 3>computers yet. So yeah, it's just and you. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>cautionary tale, like do not do not lie. Your story

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<v Speaker 3>is enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, are enough, Ben, You're enough whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I mean, yes, you said you have

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<v Speaker 1>something funny about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, oh Trump, Yeah, so real quick. Today is Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>Last night, Donald Trump was on SNL and I obviously

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<v Speaker 3>did not watch because I had better things to do

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<v Speaker 3>with my life. And it's a hot mess. He was

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<v Speaker 3>even on there in the first place, and he you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I was really worried that because of his because of

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<v Speaker 3>his like his media savvy or like just people being

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<v Speaker 3>really fascinated by him and loved watching him for entertainment purposes,

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<v Speaker 3>I was worried they were going to get high ratings.

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<v Speaker 2>And the ratings haven't come out yet, but.

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<v Speaker 3>All the reviews of the show said he was terrible

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<v Speaker 3>good that he just like totally bombed. He wasn't funny,

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<v Speaker 3>and he watered down, Like he said no to several

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<v Speaker 3>sketches because he was worried about how they play in

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<v Speaker 3>the polls, and so he ended up just doing like

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<v Speaker 3>a really weak cameo and a couple of skits, and

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<v Speaker 3>the whole show is kind of awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>So yay SNL that NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was all those protests.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that famous Latino actor John Luguizamo, he was

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<v Speaker 3>actually interviewed on Yahoo. I got to see the back

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<v Speaker 3>of his head. Yeah, he's like, he's an amazing actor.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not really vocal politically, he's not. But he came

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<v Speaker 3>out on Yahoo and said that he was boycotting. He

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm never gonna watch SNL again because they

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<v Speaker 3>had this joker on there, and I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope it was worth it, NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it was worth whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Ratings you may or may not have gotten, exactly alienate

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<v Speaker 3>such a huge base. They also got called out because

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<v Speaker 3>one of the sketches apparently they had another and this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't this isn't Like. SNL is notorious for having white

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<v Speaker 3>actors play Latinos and they had yet again. I think

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<v Speaker 3>a white one of the white show people people on

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<v Speaker 3>the show played am a Latino personality, politician or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. So they need to diversify their cast and

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<v Speaker 3>they need to stop having these racist xenophobes.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly as host. You see, it didn't work out for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, but we all have to learn

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<v Speaker 1>Lama's a bitch and she bites, and that's it for buzzworthy.

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<v Speaker 4>Brown break, Brown break, what you're gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the break?

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing a lot of like voiceovers and like you know, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna get like sued for copyright infringement.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if we well no, I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's our own voices and clearly we're off tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a remix. Yes, so cops, sorry about that

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<v Speaker 2>brown break this week? Yes, you want to go first, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine's a little bit embarrassing. I don't care. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking a brown break from waist trainers. Yes, I said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of y'all are wearing it right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe I've got so I can hardly wear tights

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<v Speaker 3>without feeling like I'm gonna die.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not to do that, And honestly, I'm not judging

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<v Speaker 1>because I totally bought two different waist trainers.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, Like what are they supposed to do? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you train your waist?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you wear them, are you're supposed to wear

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<v Speaker 1>them for a number of hours a day and it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to like basically like remold your body.

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<v Speaker 2>But these are what the Kardashians wear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's not what I was using it for.

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<v Speaker 1>I was using my waist trainer because I was like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 1>when I had a dress on that was like slim fitted,

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<v Speaker 1>and now that I'm thirty six, I had a little

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<v Speaker 1>pudge in my belly. I wanted something like the next

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<v Speaker 1>level up from spanks, right. I wanted something I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kind of like hold me and then I could

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<v Speaker 1>just eat all night.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like metal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so tis have like a little bit of metal boning,

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<v Speaker 1>but like so like it really cause spank's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like it spank smooths where you already are. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I felt. That it pulls you in. Of course some

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<v Speaker 1>but the waist trainer actually like shapes your waists. But

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<v Speaker 1>I found that first of all, it was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it didn't do anything, but I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>it made me look like I had a bigger belly

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<v Speaker 1>in clothes. Really yeah, I had like pictures. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this stuffach No, because I've got like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>bucks on it. Maybe that's why people were like, well

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<v Speaker 1>there you go to him and then too, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, you know what, how about I just get

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<v Speaker 1>a personal trainer? And I did. Yeah, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>last week I lost two pounds, sooo, I know, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's come for my belly and so like I was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a dress that we can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Always just you can't always choose where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, but you know what she really I

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<v Speaker 1>told her one of my areas I really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>work on and so I want a meal plan. And

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<v Speaker 1>the meal plan's not anything crazy. It's just like literally

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<v Speaker 1>just just better eating, you know. Like she's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of chicken thighs, have chicken breasts, salad, more greens,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So it's nothing like crazy. She's just given

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<v Speaker 1>it to me. And honestly, I know how to cook

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<v Speaker 1>fairly well, so just using these ingredients in better ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So that's been great. Even Superman he was like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on a diet. I was like, hush, she

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<v Speaker 1>eat this food. He's like, I made salmon baked salmon

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, and I found this recipe on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>with like basil and this and that and lemon, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was so good. And he was like, are we

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<v Speaker 1>eating healthy again? But I made it. He was like, babes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so good.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Samon's delicious. Yeah, I just need some

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<v Speaker 3>lemon juice and some olive oil.

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<v Speaker 2>And just pop that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was just so good. And so that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's really on lifestyle shift and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>going to gym and I feel great. I can already

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<v Speaker 1>tell the difference. Like I wore dress the other day

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<v Speaker 1>that I would normally whip out my waist training for

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't, and I was like, I looked, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost back to my normal self. So where's

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<v Speaker 1>your brown break?

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<v Speaker 2>My brown break this week?

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<v Speaker 3>So being in like, I mean, I read a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of financial bloggers. Obviously I read, well, you don't really

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<v Speaker 3>blog that much, but I read a lot of I

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<v Speaker 3>read your stuff. I read everyone's sort of like little

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<v Speaker 3>blog posts and stuff. But one of the most popular

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<v Speaker 3>types of financial blogging these days is these travel hackers.

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<v Speaker 3>And I need a brown break from these travel hackers

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<v Speaker 3>because they get under my skin for a specific reason.

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<v Speaker 3>They call themselves mile runners, card churning, card churners, travel hacking. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>what it is is they they say they're getting free travel,

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<v Speaker 3>like oh, I got my flight to Hawaii paid for

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, didn't pay for my hotel. And how

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<v Speaker 3>they do it is they take out a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>rewards credit cards, and these credit cards, you know, where

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<v Speaker 3>you spend three thousand dollars in the first two months,

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<v Speaker 3>and they'll give you fifty thousand miles, which is like

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred dollars, which you can put toward airfare or

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<v Speaker 3>you can you know, trade those miles for like a

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<v Speaker 3>hotel stay or if you have like a oh we're

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<v Speaker 3>getting a called again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, collar colors are there?

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<v Speaker 2>Why they always calling?

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny, Let's keep it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the points guy calling me is like I

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<v Speaker 3>heard you were dis an travel hackers. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not calling out anyone specifically on this, but my problem,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not just travel hackers, but it's with the

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<v Speaker 3>entire rewards card frenzy. They're amazing, Like I love my

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<v Speaker 3>AMX Blue cash card, give me six percent back on groceries.

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<v Speaker 3>But the reason you should get like, you should never

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<v Speaker 3>open a credit card to get bonuses exactly because first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, it's a hard inquiry on your credit report.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll ding your credit score.

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<v Speaker 2>Second of all, you have to spend money to get money, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't like how they make it seem like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a free trip, but you spent three thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to get to there. And it's one thing. If you

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<v Speaker 3>spend three thousand dollars anyway within two months on a

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<v Speaker 3>normal basis, if that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Normal for you, exactly, I don't think that's normal for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for most people, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be like spending.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I feel like it would just encourage you

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<v Speaker 3>to whip out that card and spend more. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money to spend in a two month period.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have three thousand dollars to pay it off immediately?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Because some of these cards don't all have zero percent

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<v Speaker 2>interest rates.

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<v Speaker 1>And see if they do. Honestly, I always suggest, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I'm the budgetiest to full time. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when people ask me, like, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get a card because I want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>save on this flight or whatever, I'm like, well, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, the purpose of getting your credit card

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<v Speaker 1>should not be, like you said, for the bonuses. It

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<v Speaker 1>should be for the specific thing you might say, because

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<v Speaker 1>I suggest that people have at least one card, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an adult, you're going to have to rent

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<v Speaker 1>a card sometime. It's a great way to build your

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<v Speaker 1>credit if you use it responsibly, you know, And.

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<v Speaker 3>So say further, you have more protections from fraud and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I buy certain things, I definitely will use

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<v Speaker 1>my card because I know, like, Okay, if this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out, I know I can call the credit card

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<v Speaker 1>company and they will reverse the charges. And then after

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<v Speaker 1>I've decide that I need a card for a specific

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<v Speaker 1>financial purpose, then I look for a card that matches

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of rewards that I want. So that's secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, do I use gas a lot? I

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<v Speaker 1>look for a gas card. If do I use you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I travel a lot, So I have a travel card,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But that wasn't the intention of me getting it.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my card because I wanted a credit card,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But then if it's working, I mean, I definitely feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to get a credit card, it should

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<v Speaker 3>be a rewards card because there's just so many out

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<v Speaker 3>there are. But these what these guys don't always say too,

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<v Speaker 3>is that there's a lot of fees. Like some of

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<v Speaker 3>these cards have ninety five dollars and up annual fees.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye you know, I actually have a I have a

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<v Speaker 3>rewards card with the airline that I travel with the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, my parents live in two different states,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm always you know, flying to see them, and

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<v Speaker 3>this card gives me a free check bag, which I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like if I take four flights, which is easy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Christmas travel for me. You know, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>ninety five dollars annual fee. But if I fly four times,

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<v Speaker 3>then you go, it pays it off. And and I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I do get a big bonus if I

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<v Speaker 3>spend a certain amount of money in the first two months,

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<v Speaker 3>but I made sure it wasn't too much. And I

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<v Speaker 3>would just say, be weary and shop around and be

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<v Speaker 3>careful with these travel hacker blogs too, because a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of them are recommending cards and they're getting kicked backs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, they're getting paid money from you clicking on affiliate.

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<v Speaker 1>Liketh Sometimes it's much as one hundred and fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars if you sign up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like laying into you like it's so amazing good.

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<v Speaker 1>They see you as a payday, you know, which, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if you are already in a hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>a card. That's why I love about that. Nick's website

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<v Speaker 1>Magnify Money.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, magnified money dot com. It's a personal finance

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like education site. Yes, and they do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of card do they do travel reward card comparisons.

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<v Speaker 1>They do everything. But what I love is that you

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<v Speaker 1>could just go in and be like, hey, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>for this, and he will compare and he makes it easy.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll say, this card has a A here's why. This card

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<v Speaker 1>has a C. Here's why, and a clear, plainly spoken language.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you look. When I'm looking for a financial

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<v Speaker 1>product or service, I usually go there first and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, like, you know, let me see why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I'm looking for a secured card or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is. But yeah, so that's a great place to

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<v Speaker 1>start if you're already looking for a credit card. Not

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<v Speaker 1>for a credit card so you can get travel points,

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<v Speaker 1>but just a credit card in general.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. And what's so Magnified money is a good site.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean a lot of these sites do good affiliates.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the reason they don't charge you. Like for example,

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<v Speaker 3>credit Karma, which I like because you give Credit Karma

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<v Speaker 3>is one of those sites where you can get an

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<v Speaker 3>estimate of your credit score, which is nice to keep

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<v Speaker 3>track and you can get if you from it, an estimate. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not your FIGHTO score. It's actually based on just

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<v Speaker 3>one of your credit reports, but it gives you a

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<v Speaker 3>good benchmark to tell you where you are. It won't

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<v Speaker 3>be exactly like your fighto score and it's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>nice way too to monitor your credit on your own

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<v Speaker 3>because they do have all your you can see, like

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<v Speaker 3>if someone takes out a credit card that's not that

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<v Speaker 3>you didn't take out, you can go on credit Karma

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<v Speaker 3>and it'll show up there and you can go dispute

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<v Speaker 3>it and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>They're actually launching pretty soon. This actually might be under embargo.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I should whatever, who cares. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Credit Carmer. They'll love it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're starting a new thing where you can dispute errors

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<v Speaker 3>on your credit report from credit CARDMA. Yeah, before you

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<v Speaker 3>credit Carmer was nice because you could see your credit report,

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<v Speaker 3>but you couldn't actually do anything about it. You had

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Annual Creditreport dot com and dispute stuff

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<v Speaker 3>through the different channels.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they're adding on that feature.

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<v Speaker 3>But so they obviously when whenever I long go onto

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<v Speaker 3>Credit Karma, i'd see my score, I see my stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like great, and then it has a million oh like,

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<v Speaker 3>while you're here, here's some recommendations for credit cards. You

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<v Speaker 3>should and honestly, that's that's where I got my AMEX from,

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<v Speaker 3>through them and change then yeah, exactly, So I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you have to keep that in mind. To you are

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<v Speaker 3>they showing you all the best options for you? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>so don't just go to one site. I would say

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<v Speaker 3>magnified Money is a good site. Credit Karma, well maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not credit Karma for credit cards, but nerd wallet I

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot, although I'm pretty sure they get kickbacks too,

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<v Speaker 3>nerd Wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>We're honestly. What I like about Magnified Money is that

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<v Speaker 1>like they well they weren't getting paid before, but now

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<v Speaker 1>for those credit cards that are kind of up there,

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<v Speaker 1>it clearly says on top sponsored, so you can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like choose, you know, so it's not but their

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<v Speaker 1>a's are not for free. So if you like Nick

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<v Speaker 1>has told me that people have said it, well how

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<v Speaker 1>much for an A?

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<v Speaker 3>Those are not so the credit card company ask because

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<v Speaker 3>they can pay to be listed on other sites.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now I know I'm not going to mention some

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<v Speaker 1>of the sites. I used to actually recommend the one

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<v Speaker 1>site in particular that I loved br but I found

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<v Speaker 1>out that people could like pay do you mean bankr

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about, And so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what you could pay? No, because how do

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<v Speaker 1>I know what's real?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, right, So it's just like

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<v Speaker 3>shopping around different sites and just being aware that maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they're showing you what they want to show.

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<v Speaker 1>You because they get kickbacks exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And just because it works for one guy to turn

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<v Speaker 3>and get a bunch of open up a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>credit cards in one year just to get a free trip,

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<v Speaker 3>is it worth the amount of debt you will put

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<v Speaker 3>yourself in to get that free trip.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so that's my.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown break, brown break, what you're gonna do?

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<v Speaker 7>We done broke on you, you know, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's we always forget. If you're gonna tweet us, please do.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd love to hear from you. I love when people

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<v Speaker 1>tweet us.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's our Twitter handles.

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<v Speaker 1>Our tweetle handle is the BA podcast at the BA podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Good and so, but also I love when people tweet

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<v Speaker 1>us at the BA podcast. And they also hit you

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<v Speaker 1>up Mandy Mandy with an I woodruff that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>are on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Right at Mandy woodruf.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I and I'm at the Budget Nisa, like

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<v Speaker 1>fashion Nissa, but the budget Nissa. So if you tweet us,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear from you. I love those tweets

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<v Speaker 1>when they're like I listen to you guys, or you

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<v Speaker 1>guys say something that we said back, but you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us like this is your brown break.

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<v Speaker 2>We love those.

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<v Speaker 3>I know somebody said they had a brown break against

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<v Speaker 3>windy millennials. Oh oh, and I was like, hmm, you

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<v Speaker 3>sound like my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that one. See you're a millennium. I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>one year past millennial age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, different gen X.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, I wanted to take so this week, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to do something special we have we don't always

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<v Speaker 3>have guests on. Yeah, but I had a really great

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with someone I admire a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a writer. Her name is Mira Jacob.

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<v Speaker 3>And the way I thought I came on to her

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<v Speaker 3>work is she writes sometimes for BuzzFeed. She's Indian American

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<v Speaker 3>and her husband's Jewish and they have a six year

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<v Speaker 3>old son. He might be a little bit older now,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's around six years old, and he's obviously biracial,

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<v Speaker 3>multicultural and not just that, but interfaith. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>she was raised obviously, Mirror wasn't Jewish growing up. And

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<v Speaker 3>she did this like amazing BuzzFeed article. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>a graphic novel almost of taking the questions her son

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<v Speaker 3>asks her about race through the This Is to Stay

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<v Speaker 3>with Me. He's asking her about race, but with Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson as the theme. So he's apparently a big Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson fan and his parents had like all Michael's like albums.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they have like forty five's or

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<v Speaker 3>vinyls or whatnot, but anyway, he can see the progression

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<v Speaker 3>of Michael from like black Michael to like different shades

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<v Speaker 3>of Michael throughout the years, and that's sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>how he started looking at rape. And she, on top

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<v Speaker 3>of that, has written about what it's like to be

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<v Speaker 3>an Indian American writer in the publishing world. So I

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<v Speaker 3>had a really great conversation with Mira about raising a

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<v Speaker 3>biracial multicultural child and then also what it's like to

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<v Speaker 3>be an Indian American in the publishing world, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just wanted to share that with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's real Tate, Miya.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob, thank you so much for being on Brown Ambition.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 5>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're a very successful fiction writer.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously that goes without saying, but I got to say

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<v Speaker 3>that I found your work through your nonfiction writing. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the first pieces I read by you, and probably

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people out there have read, was on

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<v Speaker 3>BuzzFeed and it was about It was actually a cartoon essay,

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<v Speaker 3>which was excellent, by the way, on how you handle

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<v Speaker 3>your son's awkward questions about race. And I could really

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<v Speaker 3>identify this, identify with this because like your son, I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up and I'm bi racial and I have a

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<v Speaker 3>younger brother who used to ask me a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>awkward questions about our race as kids, like why is

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 3>my hair curly? And why is it not flat? Like

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<v Speaker 3>you know the Backstreet Boys. Yeah, written right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>just love to talk to you about you know where

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<v Speaker 3>this how this story came about, and what inspired you

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<v Speaker 3>to write it in this way?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, well so the story, you know it really it

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<v Speaker 5>came about pretty naturally and intensely because my son is

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<v Speaker 5>he's six now, he's about to be seven, and he

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<v Speaker 5>is really obsessed with Michael Jackson. He watches Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 5>videos all the time, and he tries to emulate Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 5>You knows a bunch of different ways to dance, like

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Jackson's pretty good actually, And all of this is

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he's sort of had this burgeoning obsession. And

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things that I did so he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>become part of the generation that just keeps skipping between

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<v Speaker 5>songs the way you do when you have an iPod

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<v Speaker 5>or something else, is I got him a record player

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<v Speaker 5>with albums, so that came with. I got him these

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<v Speaker 5>very big Michael Jackson albums, and he has been studying

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<v Speaker 5>those for a long time and looking at them. And

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<v Speaker 5>what happens when you look at Michael Jackson albums at

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<v Speaker 5>that scale is that you realize pretty quickly that early

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Jackson looks nothing like later Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, I'd like to do that myself. Let's just get

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<v Speaker 3>all them together and look at the color palette changing.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really it's pretty shocking when you see it, and

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<v Speaker 5>when you're a little kid and you.

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<v Speaker 9>See it, you have a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 5>So obviously one of his first questions for me, which

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize was going to open this whole can

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<v Speaker 5>of worms, is what color is Michael Jackson? And so

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<v Speaker 5>I said, well, you know, he's a great question. He

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<v Speaker 5>sort of started brown and he turned white because he

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 5>turned white and I said yeah, and then he just

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 5>looked at me and.

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<v Speaker 9>He goes, are you going to turn white? I was like, no, no,

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 9>turn white.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 8>And he goes, am I, And I said no, you're

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 8>not going to turn white?

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 9>And he said is daddy? And I said, well, Daddy's

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 9>already white?

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, but was he always It's just.

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 9>Like he was.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was, oh, God, what have I done? And

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<v Speaker 5>then but what was interesting about that is so I

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 5>messed my kid up for life pretty instantly right then,

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 5>and it was it was both funny and weird, and

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 5>I realized I'd kind of blown it and that I

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 5>had been taken off guard by this really simple question.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 5>So I thought to myself, the next time he asks

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 5>a question about race, I'm really going to be on it.

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 5>I'm really going to have some better answers for him.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 5>And as you can see in that segment, I never

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 5>had better answers for him. I'm continually baffled. And my

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 5>main goal in trying to talk to him was just

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 5>to try to be truthful without being scary, which is

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 5>really hard in a world where you know, that was

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 5>last year and most of the stuff at Ferguson was

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 5>breaking and when he's asking questions about who is Michael Brown?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, when he's asking these kinds of questions, and

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 9>he keeps.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Seeing things on the television that tell him that brown

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 5>kids and black kids are you know, are targeted by.

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 9>White police, and he.

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<v Speaker 5>Has a lot of questions about that in the six

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<v Speaker 5>and it's you know, it's really.

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 9>Hard to to kind of thread.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 5>That properly and say this is the real Yes, this

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 5>is a real problem.

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 9>This is something that we are all working to change,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's.

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 5>Why we go to those protests, and that's why we

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 5>go to those marches, and but also keep his world

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.479
<v Speaker 5>somewhat safe for him. And frankly, it's easier to do

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 5>for him.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm well aware of that.

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 5>It's easier for it to do for him because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>East Indian and my husband is Jewish, and he's facing

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 5>a different set of circumstances than a lot of kids.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 5>But he's aware also that his skin comes with a

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 5>story behind it, and he's unsure of what that story is.

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<v Speaker 3>It was interesting to me that you said, you know,

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 3>you knew, you knew, you didn't do the greatest job explaining,

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 3>but you wanted to wait until he came to you again,

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 3>that's hard that I feel like that'd be hard to

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<v Speaker 3>do for you know, I'm kind of I'm a nerdy

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 3>finance nerd, and I tend to be like, wait, you

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 3>don't understand this, let me explain it to you right now.

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I have all my power points ready. I'm going to

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 3>like drill us into you. And what do you think

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 3>is important about waiting for your son to come to you?

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>For that?

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>For those questions before you you know, kind of laid

0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 3>on them all at once.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a great question, you know. And I'll be honest

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 5>with you. It's not that I'm always so good at that.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 5>There are times when I've definitely over explained things. But

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<v Speaker 5>the other thing is is that when I when I find,

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 5>when I do, when I do wait, usually the questions

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 5>he asks me are quite different than the ones that

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 5>I want to give him answers to.

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 8>So I will want.

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 5>To tell him, you know, you're great, you're fine being brown,

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 5>and you're gonna be okay.

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 9>And those aren't even the questions he has. That's that's

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 9>not what he's asking me.

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.479
<v Speaker 5>And he's asking me other questions which are which are

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 5>harder to answer.

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 8>Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there was a section in that when he

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<v Speaker 5>asked me if white people were afraid of brown people,

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 5>And I was so devastated after he asked me that.

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, at the time, I sort of answered it

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 5>very as straightforwardly as I could. But that night, and

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 5>part of the reason I started drawing this whole piece

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 5>is because I just the idea that he was asking

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 5>me these questions and that the answers were so complicated

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 5>and occasionally unforgiving was it was really hard to kind

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 5>of live with all of that at once.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure your husband's I mean, I know he

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>wasn't included in the cartoon, but he can't be off

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 3>the hook altogether. I'm sure your son is also sort

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 3>of asking him, And how do you guys sort of

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 3>approach those questions together?

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you talk about it?

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 3>You know on the side, how are we going to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, address race and kind of come to an agreement?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, there's a there was a part of

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 5>that strip that I didn't include, which is when my

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 5>son asked me because he asked me, a poite people

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 5>are afraid of brown people? And then shortly after that he said,

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 5>is daddy afraid of us? And I said no, and

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 5>he was just quiet, and he was doing that thing

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 5>that kids do when they're just thinking, thinking, thinking, and

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 5>I said, again emphatically, no.

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 8>No, he's not.

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 5>And then and then what I said to him was,

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.239
<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, you can ask Daddy that. And

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Daddy would love it if you if you did ask

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 5>him that, because he would be happy to answer that.

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 5>For you can always ask Daddy these same questions you

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 5>asked me, because I know on some level that he

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 5>comes to me with this stuff because I look like

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 5>him and I'm brown, and so I'm in I'm dealing

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 5>with some of the same things that he sort of feels.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 5>But also he is half his father, and his father

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 5>certainly thinks about all this plenty.

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 8>So I said that to him, and he said, oh,

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to do that. And I said, you know, sweetie,

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 8>you know, don't be afraid.

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 5>Dad is not going to get angry with you. You know,

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 5>this is a totally worthwhile question. He said, no, it's

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 5>not that. I just what if we hurt his feelings?

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 5>And I just felt so wrecked when he said that.

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:36.439
<v Speaker 5>I mean, at the time, I said, yeah, okay, yep,

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 5>I understand. I said, you know, I don't think we're

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 5>going to I don't think you saying that to him

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 5>would hurt his feelings at all. That I understand that,

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 5>and it also but it hit that part of my

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 5>heart that you know that you have growing up as

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 5>just a person of color in the States, where you

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 5>know so often that the kind of the worry you

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 5>feel about how people are going to react to you and.

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 8>Is so often subsumed by your need to want.

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 9>Them to be okay with you.

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 5>And it was really heartbreaking for me that he would

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 5>feel that with his dad, you know, like I want

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 5>him to be okay. He was sort of saying that,

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 5>like I want him to be okay more than I

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 5>want to answer this question for myself. And it was

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 5>really hard. You know, that was really hard, and it

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 5>you also can't push someone to say something. And it

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 5>did go and talk to my husband about it because

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, because secure and I, my son

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 5>and I have so many talks about race.

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 9>And I said, by the way, he's probably going to

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 9>ask you.

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 8>I's probably going to ask you if you're afraid of him,

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 8>just get ready.

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 5>And my husband said what And I said yeah, And

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 5>it was you know, it was so funny because I

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 5>had been so deep in this conversation with ze Cure

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 5>about race, and I'd.

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 9>Been so kind of bogged down with it in a way.

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 5>We've been like in the deep water for you know,

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 5>weeks at this point, and I hadn't realized that he

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 5>just bringing all the race stuff only to me. And

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 5>then when I saw my husband's face, I realized, like, oh, yeah, no,

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:04.919
<v Speaker 5>it's all it's all.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.879
<v Speaker 8>Coming to me, because he looked so broken hearted.

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 5>By it and I and I, you know, I said, oh,

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 5>we need to just have a moment to be upset about.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 8>This, Like we need to just have a moment where you're.

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 5>Allowed to be just upset that we're in a world

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 5>where your son has to worry about whether or not

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 5>you're afraid of him because of everything he's seeing on TV,

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 5>and we can do that.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to bring up the most recent story I've

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 3>read of yours on BuzzFeed, which detailed something right on

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 3>this topic. Like you were just mentioning how you were

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 3>invited to speak at an event hosted by Publishers Weekly,

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>and the talk was supposed to be about your successful

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 3>year getting published your book all the great reviews, but

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 3>things didn't go exactly as planned, and you wanted an

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to sort of talk about your experience and some

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 3>of the microaggressions that you had gone through in the

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 3>publishing industry, and again things didn't quite.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Go as you expected.

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Can you talk about that and what you what message

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 3>you were trying to get out that night?

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 8>Sure? So Polloser's Weekly.

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 5>Actually they were lovely and they asked me to give

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 5>this keynote speech for them at a.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 8>Young Publishing Stars event, and in the course.

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 5>Of of kind of coming up with what I would

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 5>speak about, they said, oh, just talk about your last year.

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 5>And I thought, Oh, this is the perfect time to

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 5>talk about what that what my last year was, because

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 5>I think.

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 8>There is you know, far and might.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.720
<v Speaker 9>Have had a very nice year, very nice reviews.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 5>And generally a kind of lovely moment of coming out

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 5>with a debut novel, but what was happening behind the

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 5>scenes was often very different from what was what I

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 5>was kind of presenting, and so I wanted to talk

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 5>about that and it and what I started with in

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 5>the speech was a Boston radio producer who asked me

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 5>to to read a portion of my book on air,

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 5>and he said, you need to edit it, and I said, oh, sure,

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 5>of course, you need to edit it. And so he

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 5>sent the edits back and part of them were what

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 5>you'd expect. It was like, here are three hundred words

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 5>and I've now cut them to twenty five. I thought, yeah, sure,

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 5>But then I looked further in his notes and he

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 5>had circled the names of my characters and said, if

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 5>you're going to stick with the unusual names, maybe cut

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 5>down these three characters to two, because you're going to

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 5>confuse our audience.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Which I just thought they couldn't possibly understand these weird names,

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 5>And it was really funny, by the way, because these

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 5>were all two syllable Indian names.

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 9>I wasn't even going with like rama, you know what

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 9>I mean.

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it was like a kiel.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 9>I don't know that that's that confusing.

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I hate how he was underestimating his listener's intelligence at

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 3>the same time.

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 9>It was crazy.

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 5>So he said this, he said, you know, cut out

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 5>one of the characters. And I thought, this is this

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 5>book has been published, crazy person. I can't just change

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 5>a scene and cut out an entire character. But anyway,

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 5>I didn't say that. I just said I said you know,

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 5>we can't cut a character. But then further down, because

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 5>he had asked me to write a quick one sentence intro,

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 5>and I had said, these are three East Indian teenagers,

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 5>children of immigrants, are sitting on a roof talking and

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 5>he had crossed out East Indian and written Asian Indian.

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And I just.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 9>Remember, I know, I read that, and I thought, what.

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.240
<v Speaker 5>Because I have because I literally have never heard anyone

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 5>say Asian Indian unless they were saying no, not like

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 5>American Indian, like Asian Indian and so and I wrote

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<v Speaker 5>back and I said, yeah, I just you know, first

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<v Speaker 5>I just crossed that back out and wrote.

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<v Speaker 9>East Indian and just gave it back to him.

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<v Speaker 5>And then he crossed it out and again and he wrote,

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<v Speaker 5>he wrote this note to me on the bottom, and

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<v Speaker 5>he said, you know, alas here in this country, East

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<v Speaker 5>Indian is just not a term that we use, so

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<v Speaker 5>I want to be sure or that, you know, our

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<v Speaker 5>listeners are going to understand what you're talking about. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just, I mean, I read that and I just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of had this moment where I felt like my

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 5>brain was going to fall apart because I just thought,

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<v Speaker 5>are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's not even I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>direction and there's a country and it points to a region.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand what's so difficult about that.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole thing was baffling, but the part that was

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<v Speaker 5>most baffling to me was his assumption that I was

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<v Speaker 5>not every bit as American as he is.

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 8>Just an assumption, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm you know, I'm forty two, I have been born

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 5>and raised in this country. I have been waiting for

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 5>it to catch up with me for a long time.

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 5>And this is just to say that when this happened,

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to talk about that in the speech.

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 9>I wanted to say because I think that there.

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<v Speaker 5>I think sometimes when I'm in the book world, I

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.800
<v Speaker 5>feel like they are catering to that guy, that guy

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 5>who is so sheltered and so not a part of

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 5>the conversation that the rest of us are having, and

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 5>they're saying, well, let's make sure everything is understandable for

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.919
<v Speaker 5>that guy, And I feel like, what about the rest

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<v Speaker 5>of us.

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 8>There are so.

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 9>Many of us.

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 8>We can go so far beyond this conversation.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 5>East Indian is not confusing three kids without.

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 9>Names that are you know, with names that.

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:22.919
<v Speaker 8>Don't happen to be Mary Dick and Tom.

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<v Speaker 5>That is not confusing. People can handle this. We are

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<v Speaker 5>these people, you know. I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 5>that I have problem with with that narrative is that

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 5>it assumes that nobody like me exists or buy things or.

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<v Speaker 9>Is out in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>And meanwhile, there are so many of me. And I

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 5>don't mean East Indian women raised in New Mexico. I

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 5>mean people that come from a broad range of cultural

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 5>experience who expect to go into the world and not

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 5>have every question answered immediately about somebody, but are curious

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 5>enough to push through that and to.

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 9>Find out who someone is and where they come from.

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 5>Because we're a huge audience and you haven't found us

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 5>because you keep trying to make books for only white audiences,

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 5>because you're relying on your own experience, and you don't

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 5>need to. There's so much more here, And frankly, frankly,

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 5>I think in New York especially, there are plenty of

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 5>people that have a lot of experience outside of that.

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 5>So part of it was also just to like trust

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 5>your gut, here, go with this, go with what you

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 5>know in the world, Like get rid of those voices. Well,

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.800
<v Speaker 5>let's override these voices that tell us that it's all

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 5>too big to take on.

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 9>It is not too big to take on.

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<v Speaker 1>All I do is when, when, when, no matter what. So,

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<v Speaker 1>first I want to say thank you to Mirah for

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>being awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thanks Mirah. And again you can check her out

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 3>at Mira Jacob dot com. Her new book is Sleepwalker's

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Guide to Dancing.

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>So now it's time for whens.

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Ending on a high note.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>When what I love? What like my new my new favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>Like races like what w e T?

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 1>What is that?

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 2>A question?

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Like so it's like you're staying there? Yeah, No, just

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 1>like a question, just a sassy like what were you saying?

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes like I'll send it to like my best

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 1>friend Drina or Linda, like something will happen. I'm like, wait,

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>what did she say?

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 5>What?

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, when something else I really wanted to talk about

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>for a win is so the very first person Chicago

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 1>woman became the first patient to be cured of sickle

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>cell I know, which is huge because why is McDonald's on.

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they just I'm looking at my computer. Man,

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 1>it's looking on because sickle sau effects one and five

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 1>hundred African Americans. It's if you are African American, you

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 1>probably know someone who's suffering from sickle cell. Unfortunately, it's

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>like is it Tay Sacks set with the Jewish population,

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Like usually there's like every race kind of has like

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>some sort of like illness that like you know, it's

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>like really specific to that race anyway. So for us,

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>for African Americans, it's sickle cell. And so Lesha so

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Lesha Tom and she's thirty three. They cured her through

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>stem a stem cell transplant. And this is right here

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in Dwell. We're not in Chicago, but right in Chicago.

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>The physicians of the University of Illinois Hospital and Health

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Science System performed a procedure using medication to suppress hermune

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>system and a small dose of body radiation before during

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a stem cell transplant. And so that was just really dope.

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just like, wow, they can find a cure

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>for sickle cell. So many like a great friend of mine, Uh,

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>look me, a great friend. I can't remember her name, Eddieomi.

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>She has sickle cell. Her sister has sickle cell and

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>has had so many scares with death, and she started

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:55.240
<v Speaker 1>this great organization called well, she can't call it anymore

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>because Susan G. Cooman sold them. Yeah, I know, I

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.959
<v Speaker 1>don't know what he or they it's called now, but

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>just I remember that was like kind of like my

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 1>first kind of like just like knowledge about sickle cell

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>from somebody in person. Then knowing that you kind of

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>go through these bouts where you really can't get up,

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>where you're so sick. She said, she spent so much

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of her her childhood in the hospital, right, And I'm

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>just like wow, So if they can find a cure

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and do this again.

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<v Speaker 3>The cell, you know what, stem cell research. This is

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 3>just one example of how powerful it can be. And

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of controversy because embryonic stem cells are

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 3>used widely and they're the most powerful tools in stem

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 3>cell research. They're much better than adult stem cells. So

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 3>they get them from fetal tissue, you know, which can

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.400
<v Speaker 3>be you know, donated from women who have abortions and

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 3>other ways too. But this just goes into like the

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 3>other side of the debate about stem cell research and

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 3>just look how powerful it can be. So if you

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, feel like you're anti stem cells, then just

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 3>look at this example.

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Woman's life was saved exactly. So those those are some

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:51.320
<v Speaker 2>good ones.

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I came ready because you know, Mandy was beating me

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>up last week.

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>You weren't prepared. I keep this going.

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 3>You get a plus. This is a good one. So

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 3>I used to be a big fan of Project Runway.

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 3>This was like the antidote for me to like America's

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 3>next Top Model, Rest in Peace, which is ending after

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 3>like seventy five cycles.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was done with like I.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Needed a brown break from a A n TM like

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 3>years ago.

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.720
<v Speaker 3>So I love Project Runway and I love Tim Gunn

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.720
<v Speaker 3>And they just had the very first plus sized designer

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 3>wind the whole the whole kit in Kaboodle. Yes, her

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:25.799
<v Speaker 3>name is Ashley. What's her last name?

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 2>What her last name is? Oh my god, I love Ashley.

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 2>She's so cute. Ashley tipped in Yep.

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch this season, but I feel like I'm

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 3>gonna binge watch it now because she's so cute. She

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 3>has like this this cute little watermelon skirt. Yeah, I

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 3>love me some watermelon clothes and her little lavender hair,

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 3>and she just looks so so cute, and she looks

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 3>so like everyone else in America.

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, I want to I want to see like

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 1>her clothing. You know, usually like American and they'll have

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like I mean, Project Granway will show you like all

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of her looks.

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh the looks.

0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, gotta look. I gotta google her to watch.

0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>The season finale.

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 3>And speaking of Project Runway, they had this big when

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 3>plus sized designer winning. But then mister tim Gunn, who's like,

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 3>I love him. He just actually, if you want something,

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you want a Tim gun fix. He's he's doing the

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>rounds right now. I think he has a book coming

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 3>out or something or other. He was just on for

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 3>a new Staabbies podcast, so money. Yeah, it was a

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 3>pretty good interview. So he was on Huffing to Post

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Live and they asked him about his feelings about the Kardashians.

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I forget how they came up. Tim gun does not

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 3>strike me as the kind of person who just brings

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 3>up Kardashians in his everyday conversation because he hates them,

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.799
<v Speaker 3>like his his feelings toward them were so visceral in

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 3>this interview and he says that he basically says he

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 3>hates he he thinks it's disgusting and tasteless, like how

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 3>they have used their platform to influence fashion, and he's like,

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 3>if you want to know what not to wear. Just

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 3>look at whatever the Kardashians are wearing. And he doesn't

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.600
<v Speaker 3>like that the fashion. It seems like he's a bit

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 3>bitter about how the fashion industry is has, you know,

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 3>so supposedly embraced them. They're like at all the shows

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 3>now Balmain is like their official Kardashian fashion house, and

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 3>he even calls out Kendall Jenner. And I feel like,

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 3>if you're a model today and you work, like modeling

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 3>isn't easy and it takes a lot of hustle, and

0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I feel like if you look at a person if

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 3>you're modeling, you're trying to get your you know, your

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 3>career off the ground. You look at someone like Kendall Jenner,

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 3>like I'd feel like you can easily feel a little

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 3>bitter about how quickly her star rows and question whether

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 3>or not that would have happened if she didn't have

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 3>the Kardashian pr machine behind her.

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean definitely. I mean Kendall obviously has the

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>build and she's beautiful, so I don't I think that

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>she would still be a model. I don't know if

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>she'd be a top model, but I mean, I don't know.

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:32.399
<v Speaker 2>She certainly wouldn't have been like hanging out a car

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Lagerfeld house.

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, those things. Yeah, but definitely I think

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that she's got the building, the look to be a model.

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 8>Well.

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 3>I just loved Tim that he kept it so real

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like people for some reason have become

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 3>afraid of the Kardashian Like they're so powerful now that

0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 3>people are afraid to come out and talk against them.

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:51.400
<v Speaker 3>That one time Katie Kirk who works at Yahoo, but

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 3>apparently Katie Kirk when like Katie Kirk said something about

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 3>them that wasn't so nice about Kim or something like that,

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 3>right before Northwest was born. And then when Northwest was born,

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 3>she sent her like a little baby gift or a

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.759
<v Speaker 3>card or something congratulating her, and Kim send it back

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and like and like posts on Instagram about it. So

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 3>I remember, the people are afraid to talk about them,

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. I just loved him gun for

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.359
<v Speaker 3>calling them out for the crazy, insane machine that they

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 3>are and calculating they call them entrepreneurs.

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Now that's just like just yeah, any other wins, I

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 2>think those were my two wins.

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>And with that we say it.

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Do another episode of Brown break in the can no

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Brown break another Brown mission.

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 1>If you have a Brown break you want to share,

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>If you have a win, we'd love to get some

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>more wins that.

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 2>You want to share or questions.

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, November is not just Thanksgiving and Black Friday season,

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 3>which we'll probably talk about in future episodes, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>also the time when everyone who graduated from college in May.

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<v Speaker 3>It's when your student loans come to six month grace

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<v Speaker 3>per it's over. My little brother included, it's a wrap,

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<v Speaker 3>it is. They're coming for you. Please do not forget.

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<v Speaker 3>I made the mistake of forgetting about the grace period

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<v Speaker 3>ending and I was like two months behind right out

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<v Speaker 3>the gate. Yeah, awesome for my credit score. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>just a public service announcement about that. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>Gets just everything. That's where you can find this though.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and we're out by