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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, and we're back episode twelve with Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 2: Twelve Real Like Seniors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes it is. That's how we open. Did you

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Speaker 3: of the week. Yes, because it just shows everyone that

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started some buzz.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some fun. Something fun at first.

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Speaker 3: Uh Starbucks, Yes, let's talk about Starbucks. There's some nonsense

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Speaker 3: happening every so, this happens every holiday season. The Fox

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Speaker 3: News is of the world, like the Christian sort of

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Speaker 3: like the right wing conservatives come out with something.

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Speaker 2: They'll find anything to prove there's like a war.

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Speaker 3: On Christmas, Christians and Christmas, like there's a war on

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Speaker 3: the holidays. Usually it's when everyone says happy Holidays, like

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to say Merry Christmas and screw you guys,

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Speaker 3: you know. And this year they decided to go in

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Speaker 3: on Starbucks. Yes, Starbucks has a new Every year they

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Speaker 3: have a new cup, I guess, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like it's usually like some some sort of holiday Christmas

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Speaker 1: theme cup, and passing years it's been like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like ice skates and snowflake snowflakes and

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Speaker 1: you know, they're totally key. You can google it. And

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Speaker 1: so this year the cup is red and green and

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Speaker 1: it's devoid of like snowflakes.

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Speaker 2: There's no patterns. It's like an ombre yes and it's nice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, it's like whatever, it's a

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Speaker 3: freaking cup, Like who thinks about that exactly? But now

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Speaker 3: people are saying that because there's no festive accoutrement, that

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Speaker 3: they think it's Starbucks's a way of ignoring Christmas and

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Speaker 3: of course there's a war on Christmas now, which I

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Speaker 3: think is such utter bullshit. I actually went to weather

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Speaker 3: dot com and looked up the weather in Bethlehem.

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Speaker 1: Which is a real place where Jesus was born.

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Speaker 2: This was born there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they travel from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 3: in December it is a smooth sixty degrees in Bethlehem.

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Speaker 2: You means to tell me there's no snowflakes.

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Speaker 1: There's no snowflakes in Bethlehem.

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Speaker 3: Now, so Jesus was not born on a wintry night.

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Speaker 3: There was no snowflakes from nobody was ice skating in

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Speaker 3: Bethlehem the night that Jesus was born. Like, it is

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with snowflakes. You guys need to calm down, yes,

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Speaker 3: please do. And so I read that. I read that

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Speaker 3: there were six passengers on the Spirit Airlines. First of all,

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Speaker 3: Spirit Airline is like the toilet bowl of all airlines.

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Speaker 3: Like it is just the worst. It's so bad I've

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Speaker 3: Airline horror story. If you travel, because you get lured

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Speaker 1: If you don't pronoun your ticket ahead of time. It's

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Speaker 1: like Frontier some bullshit.

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Speaker 3: So they apparently like so they constantly overbook and they

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Speaker 3: So they overbooked, and they had these to this this

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Speaker 3: We paid money, like why do we have to change seats?

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Speaker 2: The flight got kicked off, and so now spirits in

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Speaker 3: Yet again, Yes, and yeah, you know, and obviously like

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Speaker 3: it's hard when you're not.

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Speaker 1: There to see what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to see what happened.

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Speaker 3: But you know, there is that whole thing like would

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Speaker 3: when you were outspoken and black, what the feedback is like,

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Speaker 3: why are you so angry?

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Speaker 2: Calm down?

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Speaker 1: Like because the threat, the threat is always that violence

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Speaker 1: is coming next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like someone's gonna pull them niight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you went.

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Speaker 3: Through security, exactly, nobody has sharp botches. We're using our

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Speaker 3: voices exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's a a gentleman that told me that he always

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Speaker 1: asked for a second employee. He said that way before

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Speaker 1: if he feels like, you know, he started to get angry,

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Speaker 1: he starts to escalate, he said, because we would need

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Speaker 1: to have more than just two stories here, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you want to there's this really funny rant by

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Speaker 1: this woman, young woman named c dot c CS in

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Speaker 1: the letter C like cat EE dot C e E TV,

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Speaker 1: so C dot cd TV on YouTube, or you can

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Speaker 1: just google a Spirit Airlines rant. It is hud.

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Speaker 2: I want to play a little clip. She has a

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Speaker 2: story hilarious. Yes, thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: So online checking the bag and they're like forty dollars

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Speaker 6: for check that, forty five dollars for carry on. What

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Speaker 6: I didn't think I was reading it right because normally

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Speaker 6: why am I paying you to carry my own bag?

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Speaker 6: I don't I was very turned off in the first

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Speaker 1: So I paid eighty dollars forever check my bag going

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Speaker 1: to and coming from. So the flight was tours except stops.

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Speaker 6: So then if you can tackle on another eighty somebody

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Speaker 6: do the math wire kicking your.

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Speaker 1: Head somewhere three hundred and fifty six. Now, Spirit, you

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Speaker 1: need to stop bamboozling people. You need to stop. It's

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Speaker 1: what got me there, they got me.

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Speaker 2: Whatever is thee That was hilarious? Yes, it's so true. God,

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Speaker 2: just like you need to look out for those hidden fees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually add on fees for the holidays too,

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Speaker 3: just for traveling during a high traffic season.

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Speaker 1: Oh spirit, you stole her spirit? Any other buzz worthy

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Speaker 1: but body? Yeah, a couple, Well this could be a win. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll save this one, but I want to talk about Serena.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the clip? Yes? I didn't actually, but

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Speaker 3: So Serena Williams tennis star Extraordinary, was at dinner at

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Speaker 2: The worst, but she kept her eye on him.

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Speaker 3: And then she like had her cellphone on the chair

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Speaker 3: and then she chases him down in her in her

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Speaker 2: And then she's like.

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Speaker 3: Women like don't feel like just because you're a woman,

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Speaker 2: Don't chase down a crook.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like maybe they have a gun, Yeah, perhaps they

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Speaker 3: Guy behind Harry picks up the phone. She doesn't chase

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, yeah, here you go and hands it

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Speaker 1: So there's no like like creaky chase she's doing on

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Speaker 3: really digging into his past. He's obviously over now and

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Speaker 3: and he claims to have pulled a knife on a

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Speaker 3: he became this new life of like you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: kindness and Christianity or whatever. Okay, So CNN went back

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Speaker 2: He was kind of nerdy. I wouldn't remember him like

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Speaker 2: pulling punch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like as he was talking to talk like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I used to be out thug out in

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Speaker 3: That's so random, Like why and especially in a book

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Speaker 4: Brown break, Brown break, what you're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: That was the break?

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Speaker 1: Mine's a little bit embarrassing. I don't care. So I'm

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Speaker 1: Some of y'all are wearing it right now.

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Speaker 3: I believe I've got so I can hardly wear tights

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Speaker 1: I'm not to do that, And honestly, I'm not judging

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Speaker 1: Because if you wear them, are you're supposed to wear

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Speaker 3: They call themselves mile runners, card churning, card churners, travel hacking. Basically,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, collar colors are there?

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Speaker 3: But the reason you should get like, you should never

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Speaker 2: You'd be like spending.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it would just encourage you

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Speaker 3: to whip out that card and spend more. And that's

443
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Speaker 3: a lot of money to spend in a two month period.

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Speaker 3: Do you have three thousand dollars to pay it off immediately?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: Because some of these cards don't all have zero percent

447
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Speaker 2: interest rates.

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Speaker 1: And see if they do. Honestly, I always suggest, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I'm the budgetiest to full time. And

450
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Speaker 1: so when people ask me, like, you know, I want

451
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Speaker 1: to get a card because I want to, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: save on this flight or whatever, I'm like, well, to me,

453
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Speaker 1: first and foremost, the purpose of getting your credit card

454
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Speaker 1: should not be, like you said, for the bonuses. It

455
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Speaker 1: should be for the specific thing you might say, because

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Speaker 1: I suggest that people have at least one card, especially

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Speaker 1: if you're an adult, you're going to have to rent

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Speaker 1: a card sometime. It's a great way to build your

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Speaker 1: credit if you use it responsibly, you know, And.

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Speaker 3: So say further, you have more protections from fraud and

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Speaker 3: things like that.

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Speaker 1: So when I buy certain things, I definitely will use

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Speaker 1: my card because I know, like, Okay, if this doesn't

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Speaker 1: work out, I know I can call the credit card

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Speaker 1: company and they will reverse the charges. And then after

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Speaker 1: I've decide that I need a card for a specific

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Speaker 1: financial purpose, then I look for a card that matches

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Speaker 1: the kind of rewards that I want. So that's secondary.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, do I use gas a lot? I

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Speaker 1: look for a gas card. If do I use you know,

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Speaker 1: if I travel a lot, So I have a travel card,

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Speaker 1: you know. But that wasn't the intention of me getting it.

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Speaker 1: I got my card because I wanted a credit card,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: But then if it's working, I mean, I definitely feel like,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to get a credit card, it should

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Speaker 3: be a rewards card because there's just so many out

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Speaker 3: there are. But these what these guys don't always say too,

479
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Speaker 3: is that there's a lot of fees. Like some of

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Speaker 3: these cards have ninety five dollars and up annual fees.

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Speaker 3: Ye you know, I actually have a I have a

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Speaker 3: rewards card with the airline that I travel with the most.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, my parents live in two different states,

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Speaker 3: so I'm always you know, flying to see them, and

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Speaker 3: this card gives me a free check bag, which I

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Speaker 3: feel like if I take four flights, which is easy.

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Speaker 3: It's like Christmas travel for me. You know, it's a

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Speaker 3: ninety five dollars annual fee. But if I fly four times,

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Speaker 3: then you go, it pays it off. And and I,

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Speaker 3: you know, I do get a big bonus if I

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Speaker 3: spend a certain amount of money in the first two months,

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Speaker 3: but I made sure it wasn't too much. And I

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Speaker 3: would just say, be weary and shop around and be

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Speaker 3: careful with these travel hacker blogs too, because a lot

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Speaker 3: of them are recommending cards and they're getting kicked backs.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they're getting paid money from you clicking on affiliate.

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Speaker 1: Liketh Sometimes it's much as one hundred and fifty to

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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars if you sign up.

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Speaker 2: You're kidding.

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Speaker 1: So they're like laying into you like it's so amazing good.

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Speaker 1: They see you as a payday, you know, which, like

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Speaker 1: I said, if you are already in a hunt for

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Speaker 1: a card. That's why I love about that. Nick's website

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Speaker 1: Magnify Money.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, magnified money dot com. It's a personal finance

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Speaker 3: kind of like education site. Yes, and they do a

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Speaker 3: lot of card do they do travel reward card comparisons.

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Speaker 1: They do everything. But what I love is that you

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Speaker 1: could just go in and be like, hey, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for this, and he will compare and he makes it easy.

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Speaker 1: He'll say, this card has a A here's why. This card

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Speaker 1: has a C. Here's why, and a clear, plainly spoken language.

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Speaker 1: So when you look. When I'm looking for a financial

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Speaker 1: product or service, I usually go there first and then

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Speaker 1: I'll say, like, you know, let me see why, you know,

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Speaker 1: like if I'm looking for a secured card or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. But yeah, so that's a great place to

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Speaker 1: start if you're already looking for a credit card. Not

519
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Speaker 1: for a credit card so you can get travel points,

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Speaker 1: but just a credit card in general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And what's so Magnified money is a good site.

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Speaker 3: And I mean a lot of these sites do good affiliates.

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Speaker 3: It's the reason they don't charge you. Like for example,

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Speaker 3: credit Karma, which I like because you give Credit Karma

525
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Speaker 3: is one of those sites where you can get an

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Speaker 3: estimate of your credit score, which is nice to keep

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Speaker 3: track and you can get if you from it, an estimate. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's not your FIGHTO score. It's actually based on just

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Speaker 3: one of your credit reports, but it gives you a

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Speaker 3: good benchmark to tell you where you are. It won't

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Speaker 3: be exactly like your fighto score and it's it's a

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Speaker 3: nice way too to monitor your credit on your own

533
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Speaker 3: because they do have all your you can see, like

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Speaker 3: if someone takes out a credit card that's not that

535
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Speaker 3: you didn't take out, you can go on credit Karma

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Speaker 3: and it'll show up there and you can go dispute

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Speaker 3: it and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: They're actually launching pretty soon. This actually might be under embargo.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I should whatever, who cares. It's

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Speaker 2: Credit Carmer. They'll love it.

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Speaker 3: They're starting a new thing where you can dispute errors

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Speaker 3: on your credit report from credit CARDMA. Yeah, before you

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Speaker 3: credit Carmer was nice because you could see your credit report,

544
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Speaker 3: but you couldn't actually do anything about it. You had

545
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Speaker 3: to go to Annual Creditreport dot com and dispute stuff

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Speaker 3: through the different channels.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they're adding on that feature.

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Speaker 3: But so they obviously when whenever I long go onto

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Speaker 3: Credit Karma, i'd see my score, I see my stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm like great, and then it has a million oh like,

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Speaker 3: while you're here, here's some recommendations for credit cards. You

552
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Speaker 3: should and honestly, that's that's where I got my AMEX from,

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Speaker 3: through them and change then yeah, exactly, So I mean

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Speaker 3: you have to keep that in mind. To you are

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Speaker 3: they showing you all the best options for you? Like,

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Speaker 3: so don't just go to one site. I would say

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Speaker 3: magnified Money is a good site. Credit Karma, well maybe

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Speaker 3: not credit Karma for credit cards, but nerd wallet I

559
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Speaker 3: like a lot, although I'm pretty sure they get kickbacks too,

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Speaker 3: nerd Wallet.

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Speaker 1: We're honestly. What I like about Magnified Money is that

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Speaker 1: like they well they weren't getting paid before, but now

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Speaker 1: for those credit cards that are kind of up there,

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Speaker 1: it clearly says on top sponsored, so you can kind

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Speaker 1: of like choose, you know, so it's not but their

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Speaker 1: a's are not for free. So if you like Nick

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Speaker 1: has told me that people have said it, well how

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Speaker 1: much for an A?

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Speaker 3: Those are not so the credit card company ask because

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Speaker 3: they can pay to be listed on other sites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I know I'm not going to mention some

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Speaker 1: of the sites. I used to actually recommend the one

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Speaker 1: site in particular that I loved br but I found

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Speaker 1: out that people could like pay do you mean bankr

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, And so I

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Speaker 1: was like, what you could pay? No, because how do

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Speaker 1: I know what's real?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, right, So it's just like

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Speaker 3: shopping around different sites and just being aware that maybe

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Speaker 3: they're showing you what they want to show.

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Speaker 1: You because they get kickbacks exactly.

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Speaker 3: And just because it works for one guy to turn

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Speaker 3: and get a bunch of open up a ton of

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Speaker 3: credit cards in one year just to get a free trip,

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Speaker 3: is it worth the amount of debt you will put

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Speaker 3: yourself in to get that free trip.

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Speaker 2: It's just so that's my.

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Speaker 1: Brown break, brown break, what you're gonna do?

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Speaker 7: We done broke on you, you know, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's we always forget. If you're gonna tweet us, please do.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. I love when people

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Speaker 1: tweet us.

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Speaker 2: So it's our Twitter handles.

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Speaker 1: Our tweetle handle is the BA podcast at the BA podcast.

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Speaker 1: Good and so, but also I love when people tweet

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Speaker 1: us at the BA podcast. And they also hit you

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Speaker 1: up Mandy Mandy with an I woodruff that's what you

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Speaker 1: are on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Right at Mandy woodruf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I'm at the Budget Nisa, like

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Speaker 1: fashion Nissa, but the budget Nissa. So if you tweet us,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you. I love those tweets

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Speaker 1: when they're like I listen to you guys, or you

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Speaker 1: guys say something that we said back, but you tell

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Speaker 1: us like this is your brown break.

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Speaker 2: We love those.

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Speaker 3: I know somebody said they had a brown break against

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Speaker 3: windy millennials. Oh oh, and I was like, hmm, you

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Speaker 3: sound like my dad.

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Speaker 1: I like that one. See you're a millennium. I'm like

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Speaker 1: one year past millennial age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, different gen X.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I wanted to take so this week, I

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Speaker 3: want to do something special we have we don't always

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Speaker 3: have guests on. Yeah, but I had a really great

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Speaker 3: conversation with someone I admire a lot.

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Speaker 2: She's a writer. Her name is Mira Jacob.

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Speaker 3: And the way I thought I came on to her

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Speaker 3: work is she writes sometimes for BuzzFeed. She's Indian American

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Speaker 3: and her husband's Jewish and they have a six year

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Speaker 3: old son. He might be a little bit older now,

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Speaker 3: but he's around six years old, and he's obviously biracial,

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Speaker 3: multicultural and not just that, but interfaith. I don't think

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Speaker 3: she was raised obviously, Mirror wasn't Jewish growing up. And

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Speaker 3: she did this like amazing BuzzFeed article. It was like

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Speaker 3: a graphic novel almost of taking the questions her son

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Speaker 3: asks her about race through the This Is to Stay

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Speaker 3: with Me. He's asking her about race, but with Michael

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Speaker 3: Jackson as the theme. So he's apparently a big Michael

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Speaker 3: Jackson fan and his parents had like all Michael's like albums.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they have like forty five's or

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Speaker 3: vinyls or whatnot, but anyway, he can see the progression

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Speaker 3: of Michael from like black Michael to like different shades

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Speaker 3: of Michael throughout the years, and that's sort of like

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Speaker 3: how he started looking at rape. And she, on top

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Speaker 3: of that, has written about what it's like to be

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Speaker 3: an Indian American writer in the publishing world. So I

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Speaker 3: had a really great conversation with Mira about raising a

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Speaker 3: biracial multicultural child and then also what it's like to

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Speaker 3: be an Indian American in the publishing world, and I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to share that with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's real Tate, Miya.

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Speaker 2: Jacob, thank you so much for being on Brown Ambition.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a very successful fiction writer.

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Speaker 3: Obviously that goes without saying, but I got to say

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Speaker 3: that I found your work through your nonfiction writing. One

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Speaker 3: of the first pieces I read by you, and probably

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Speaker 3: a lot of people out there have read, was on

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Speaker 3: BuzzFeed and it was about It was actually a cartoon essay,

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Speaker 3: which was excellent, by the way, on how you handle

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Speaker 3: your son's awkward questions about race. And I could really

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Speaker 3: identify this, identify with this because like your son, I

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Speaker 3: grew up and I'm bi racial and I have a

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Speaker 3: younger brother who used to ask me a lot of

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Speaker 3: awkward questions about our race as kids, like why is

659
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: my hair curly? And why is it not flat? Like

660
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: you know the Backstreet Boys. Yeah, written right, And I

661
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: just love to talk to you about you know where

662
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 3: this how this story came about, and what inspired you

663
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: to write it in this way?

664
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

665
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: Sure, well so the story, you know it really it

666
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 5: came about pretty naturally and intensely because my son is

667
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 5: he's six now, he's about to be seven, and he

668
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 5: is really obsessed with Michael Jackson. He watches Michael Jackson

669
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 5: videos all the time, and he tries to emulate Michael Jackson.

670
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 5: You knows a bunch of different ways to dance, like

671
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson's pretty good actually, And all of this is

672
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: you know, he's sort of had this burgeoning obsession. And

673
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 5: one of the things that I did so he wouldn't

674
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: become part of the generation that just keeps skipping between

675
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 5: songs the way you do when you have an iPod

676
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 5: or something else, is I got him a record player

677
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 5: with albums, so that came with. I got him these

678
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: very big Michael Jackson albums, and he has been studying

679
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 5: those for a long time and looking at them. And

680
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 5: what happens when you look at Michael Jackson albums at

681
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 5: that scale is that you realize pretty quickly that early

682
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson looks nothing like later Michael Jackson.

683
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: Actually, I'd like to do that myself. Let's just get

684
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: all them together and look at the color palette changing.

685
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

686
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 5: It's really it's pretty shocking when you see it, and

687
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: when you're a little kid and you.

688
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 9: See it, you have a lot of questions.

689
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: So obviously one of his first questions for me, which

690
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 5: I didn't realize was going to open this whole can

691
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: of worms, is what color is Michael Jackson? And so

692
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: I said, well, you know, he's a great question. He

693
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: sort of started brown and he turned white because he

694
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 5: turned white and I said yeah, and then he just

695
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 5: looked at me and.

696
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 9: He goes, are you going to turn white? I was like, no, no,

697
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 9: turn white.

698
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 8: And he goes, am I, And I said no, you're

699
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 8: not going to turn white?

700
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 9: And he said is daddy? And I said, well, Daddy's

701
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 9: already white?

702
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: And he goes, but was he always It's just.

703
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 9: Like he was.

704
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 5: So I was, oh, God, what have I done? And

705
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: then but what was interesting about that is so I

706
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: messed my kid up for life pretty instantly right then,

707
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 5: and it was it was both funny and weird, and

708
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: I realized I'd kind of blown it and that I

709
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 5: had been taken off guard by this really simple question.

710
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: So I thought to myself, the next time he asks

711
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 5: a question about race, I'm really going to be on it.

712
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 5: I'm really going to have some better answers for him.

713
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: And as you can see in that segment, I never

714
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: had better answers for him. I'm continually baffled. And my

715
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: main goal in trying to talk to him was just

716
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 5: to try to be truthful without being scary, which is

717
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: really hard in a world where you know, that was

718
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 5: last year and most of the stuff at Ferguson was

719
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: breaking and when he's asking questions about who is Michael Brown?

720
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Speaker 9: You know, when he's asking these kinds of questions, and

721
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 9: he keeps.

722
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: Seeing things on the television that tell him that brown

723
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: kids and black kids are you know, are targeted by.

724
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 9: White police, and he.

725
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: Has a lot of questions about that in the six

726
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 5: and it's you know, it's really.

727
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 9: Hard to to kind of thread.

728
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 5: That properly and say this is the real Yes, this

729
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 5: is a real problem.

730
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Speaker 9: This is something that we are all working to change,

731
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 9: and that's.

732
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Speaker 5: Why we go to those protests, and that's why we

733
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: go to those marches, and but also keep his world

734
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 5: somewhat safe for him. And frankly, it's easier to do

735
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: for him.

736
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 9: I'm well aware of that.

737
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 5: It's easier for it to do for him because I'm

738
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: East Indian and my husband is Jewish, and he's facing

739
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: a different set of circumstances than a lot of kids.

740
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 5: But he's aware also that his skin comes with a

741
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 5: story behind it, and he's unsure of what that story is.

742
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: It was interesting to me that you said, you know,

743
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: you knew, you knew, you didn't do the greatest job explaining,

744
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: but you wanted to wait until he came to you again,

745
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: that's hard that I feel like that'd be hard to

746
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: do for you know, I'm kind of I'm a nerdy

747
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: finance nerd, and I tend to be like, wait, you

748
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: don't understand this, let me explain it to you right now.

749
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: I have all my power points ready. I'm going to

750
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: like drill us into you. And what do you think

751
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: is important about waiting for your son to come to you?

752
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: For that?

753
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: For those questions before you you know, kind of laid

754
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: on them all at once.

755
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: It's a great question, you know. And I'll be honest

756
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: with you. It's not that I'm always so good at that.

757
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: There are times when I've definitely over explained things. But

758
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: the other thing is is that when I when I find,

759
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: when I do, when I do wait, usually the questions

760
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 5: he asks me are quite different than the ones that

761
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Speaker 5: I want to give him answers to.

762
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 8: So I will want.

763
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: To tell him, you know, you're great, you're fine being brown,

764
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: and you're gonna be okay.

765
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 9: And those aren't even the questions he has. That's that's

766
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 9: not what he's asking me.

767
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 5: And he's asking me other questions which are which are

768
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: harder to answer.

769
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 8: Sometimes.

770
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Speaker 5: I mean there was a section in that when he

771
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: asked me if white people were afraid of brown people,

772
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Speaker 5: And I was so devastated after he asked me that.

773
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 5: I mean, at the time, I sort of answered it

774
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 5: very as straightforwardly as I could. But that night, and

775
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 5: part of the reason I started drawing this whole piece

776
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: is because I just the idea that he was asking

777
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 5: me these questions and that the answers were so complicated

778
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 5: and occasionally unforgiving was it was really hard to kind

779
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 5: of live with all of that at once.

780
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: And I'm sure your husband's I mean, I know he

781
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: wasn't included in the cartoon, but he can't be off

782
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: the hook altogether. I'm sure your son is also sort

783
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: of asking him, And how do you guys sort of

784
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: approach those questions together?

785
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: Do you talk about it?

786
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: You know on the side, how are we going to

787
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, address race and kind of come to an agreement?

788
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's a there was a part of

789
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: that strip that I didn't include, which is when my

790
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: son asked me because he asked me, a poite people

791
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: are afraid of brown people? And then shortly after that he said,

792
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: is daddy afraid of us? And I said no, and

793
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 5: he was just quiet, and he was doing that thing

794
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: that kids do when they're just thinking, thinking, thinking, and

795
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 5: I said, again emphatically, no.

796
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 8: No, he's not.

797
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: And then and then what I said to him was,

798
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 5: I said, you know, you can ask Daddy that. And

799
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: Daddy would love it if you if you did ask

800
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: him that, because he would be happy to answer that.

801
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 5: For you can always ask Daddy these same questions you

802
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: asked me, because I know on some level that he

803
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: comes to me with this stuff because I look like

804
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: him and I'm brown, and so I'm in I'm dealing

805
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: with some of the same things that he sort of feels.

806
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: But also he is half his father, and his father

807
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 5: certainly thinks about all this plenty.

808
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 8: So I said that to him, and he said, oh,

809
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 8: I don't want to do that. And I said, you know, sweetie,

810
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 8: you know, don't be afraid.

811
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 5: Dad is not going to get angry with you. You know,

812
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 5: this is a totally worthwhile question. He said, no, it's

813
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: not that. I just what if we hurt his feelings?

814
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: And I just felt so wrecked when he said that.

815
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 5: I mean, at the time, I said, yeah, okay, yep,

816
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: I understand. I said, you know, I don't think we're

817
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 5: going to I don't think you saying that to him

818
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 5: would hurt his feelings at all. That I understand that,

819
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 5: and it also but it hit that part of my

820
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 5: heart that you know that you have growing up as

821
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: just a person of color in the States, where you

822
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 5: know so often that the kind of the worry you

823
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: feel about how people are going to react to you and.

824
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 8: Is so often subsumed by your need to want.

825
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 9: Them to be okay with you.

826
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 5: And it was really heartbreaking for me that he would

827
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 5: feel that with his dad, you know, like I want

828
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: him to be okay. He was sort of saying that,

829
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: like I want him to be okay more than I

830
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: want to answer this question for myself. And it was

831
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 5: really hard. You know, that was really hard, and it

832
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: you also can't push someone to say something. And it

833
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: did go and talk to my husband about it because

834
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 5: I said, you know, because secure and I, my son

835
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: and I have so many talks about race.

836
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 9: And I said, by the way, he's probably going to

837
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 9: ask you.

838
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 8: I's probably going to ask you if you're afraid of him,

839
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 8: just get ready.

840
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 5: And my husband said what And I said yeah, And

841
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: it was you know, it was so funny because I

842
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: had been so deep in this conversation with ze Cure

843
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 5: about race, and I'd.

844
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 9: Been so kind of bogged down with it in a way.

845
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 5: We've been like in the deep water for you know,

846
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 5: weeks at this point, and I hadn't realized that he

847
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 5: just bringing all the race stuff only to me. And

848
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 5: then when I saw my husband's face, I realized, like, oh, yeah, no,

849
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 5: it's all it's all.

850
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 8: Coming to me, because he looked so broken hearted.

851
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: By it and I and I, you know, I said, oh,

852
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: we need to just have a moment to be upset about.

853
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 8: This, Like we need to just have a moment where you're.

854
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 5: Allowed to be just upset that we're in a world

855
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 5: where your son has to worry about whether or not

856
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: you're afraid of him because of everything he's seeing on TV,

857
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: and we can do that.

858
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up the most recent story I've

859
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: read of yours on BuzzFeed, which detailed something right on

860
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: this topic. Like you were just mentioning how you were

861
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: invited to speak at an event hosted by Publishers Weekly,

862
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: and the talk was supposed to be about your successful

863
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: year getting published your book all the great reviews, but

864
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: things didn't go exactly as planned, and you wanted an

865
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: opportunity to sort of talk about your experience and some

866
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: of the microaggressions that you had gone through in the

867
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: publishing industry, and again things didn't quite.

868
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: Go as you expected.

869
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that and what you what message

870
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: you were trying to get out that night?

871
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 8: Sure? So Polloser's Weekly.

872
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: Actually they were lovely and they asked me to give

873
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: this keynote speech for them at a.

874
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 8: Young Publishing Stars event, and in the course.

875
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 5: Of of kind of coming up with what I would

876
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: speak about, they said, oh, just talk about your last year.

877
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: And I thought, Oh, this is the perfect time to

878
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: talk about what that what my last year was, because

879
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: I think.

880
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 8: There is you know, far and might.

881
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 9: Have had a very nice year, very nice reviews.

882
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 5: And generally a kind of lovely moment of coming out

883
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 5: with a debut novel, but what was happening behind the

884
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: scenes was often very different from what was what I

885
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: was kind of presenting, and so I wanted to talk

886
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 5: about that and it and what I started with in

887
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: the speech was a Boston radio producer who asked me

888
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 5: to to read a portion of my book on air,

889
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: and he said, you need to edit it, and I said, oh, sure,

890
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: of course, you need to edit it. And so he

891
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: sent the edits back and part of them were what

892
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 5: you'd expect. It was like, here are three hundred words

893
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: and I've now cut them to twenty five. I thought, yeah, sure,

894
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: But then I looked further in his notes and he

895
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 5: had circled the names of my characters and said, if

896
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 5: you're going to stick with the unusual names, maybe cut

897
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: down these three characters to two, because you're going to

898
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 5: confuse our audience.

899
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: Which I just thought they couldn't possibly understand these weird names,

900
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: I know.

901
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: And it was really funny, by the way, because these

902
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: were all two syllable Indian names.

903
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 9: I wasn't even going with like rama, you know what

904
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 9: I mean.

905
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like a kiel.

906
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 5: You know.

907
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 9: I don't know that that's that confusing.

908
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: I hate how he was underestimating his listener's intelligence at

909
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: the same time.

910
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: You know.

911
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 9: It was crazy.

912
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 5: So he said this, he said, you know, cut out

913
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: one of the characters. And I thought, this is this

914
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: book has been published, crazy person. I can't just change

915
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: a scene and cut out an entire character. But anyway,

916
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 5: I didn't say that. I just said I said you know,

917
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: we can't cut a character. But then further down, because

918
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: he had asked me to write a quick one sentence intro,

919
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: and I had said, these are three East Indian teenagers,

920
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: children of immigrants, are sitting on a roof talking and

921
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: he had crossed out East Indian and written Asian Indian.

922
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: And I just.

923
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 9: Remember, I know, I read that, and I thought, what.

924
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 5: Because I have because I literally have never heard anyone

925
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: say Asian Indian unless they were saying no, not like

926
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: American Indian, like Asian Indian and so and I wrote

927
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 5: back and I said, yeah, I just you know, first

928
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 5: I just crossed that back out and wrote.

929
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 9: East Indian and just gave it back to him.

930
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: And then he crossed it out and again and he wrote,

931
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 5: he wrote this note to me on the bottom, and

932
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 5: he said, you know, alas here in this country, East

933
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 5: Indian is just not a term that we use, so

934
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: I want to be sure or that, you know, our

935
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: listeners are going to understand what you're talking about. And

936
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: I just, I mean, I read that and I just

937
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 5: kind of had this moment where I felt like my

938
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 5: brain was going to fall apart because I just thought,

939
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: are you kidding?

940
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not even I mean, it's a

941
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 3: direction and there's a country and it points to a region.

942
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: I don't understand what's so difficult about that.

943
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: The whole thing was baffling, but the part that was

944
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 5: most baffling to me was his assumption that I was

945
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: not every bit as American as he is.

946
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 8: Just an assumption, and.

947
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm forty two, I have been born

948
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: and raised in this country. I have been waiting for

949
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: it to catch up with me for a long time.

950
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 5: And this is just to say that when this happened,

951
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about that in the speech.

952
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 9: I wanted to say because I think that there.

953
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 5: I think sometimes when I'm in the book world, I

954
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 5: feel like they are catering to that guy, that guy

955
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 5: who is so sheltered and so not a part of

956
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: the conversation that the rest of us are having, and

957
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 5: they're saying, well, let's make sure everything is understandable for

958
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 5: that guy, And I feel like, what about the rest

959
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 5: of us.

960
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 8: There are so.

961
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 9: Many of us.

962
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 8: We can go so far beyond this conversation.

963
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: East Indian is not confusing three kids without.

964
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 9: Names that are you know, with names that.

965
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 8: Don't happen to be Mary Dick and Tom.

966
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 5: That is not confusing. People can handle this. We are

967
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: these people, you know. I think one of the things

968
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: that I have problem with with that narrative is that

969
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 5: it assumes that nobody like me exists or buy things or.

970
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 9: Is out in the world.

971
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: And meanwhile, there are so many of me. And I

972
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: don't mean East Indian women raised in New Mexico. I

973
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: mean people that come from a broad range of cultural

974
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: experience who expect to go into the world and not

975
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: have every question answered immediately about somebody, but are curious

976
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: enough to push through that and to.

977
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 9: Find out who someone is and where they come from.

978
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 5: Because we're a huge audience and you haven't found us

979
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: because you keep trying to make books for only white audiences,

980
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 5: because you're relying on your own experience, and you don't

981
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 5: need to. There's so much more here, And frankly, frankly,

982
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: I think in New York especially, there are plenty of

983
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 5: people that have a lot of experience outside of that.

984
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 5: So part of it was also just to like trust

985
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: your gut, here, go with this, go with what you

986
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: know in the world, Like get rid of those voices. Well,

987
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 5: let's override these voices that tell us that it's all

988
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: too big to take on.

989
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 9: It is not too big to take on.

990
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: All I do is when, when, when, no matter what. So,

991
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: first I want to say thank you to Mirah for

992
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: being awesome.

993
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: Yes, thanks Mirah. And again you can check her out

994
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: at Mira Jacob dot com. Her new book is Sleepwalker's

995
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: Guide to Dancing.

996
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: So now it's time for whens.

997
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: Ending on a high note.

998
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: When what I love? What like my new my new favorite?

999
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Like races like what w e T?

1000
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: What?

1001
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: What is that?

1002
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: A question?

1003
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1004
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Like so it's like you're staying there? Yeah, No, just

1005
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: like a question, just a sassy like what were you saying?

1006
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes like I'll send it to like my best

1007
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: friend Drina or Linda, like something will happen. I'm like, wait,

1008
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: what did she say?

1009
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 5: What?

1010
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Anyway, when something else I really wanted to talk about

1011
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: for a win is so the very first person Chicago

1012
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: woman became the first patient to be cured of sickle

1013
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: cell I know, which is huge because why is McDonald's on.

1014
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just I'm looking at my computer. Man,

1015
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: it's looking on because sickle sau effects one and five

1016
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: hundred African Americans. It's if you are African American, you

1017
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: probably know someone who's suffering from sickle cell. Unfortunately, it's

1018
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: like is it Tay Sacks set with the Jewish population,

1019
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: Like usually there's like every race kind of has like

1020
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: some sort of like illness that like you know, it's

1021
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: like really specific to that race anyway. So for us,

1022
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: for African Americans, it's sickle cell. And so Lesha so

1023
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: Lesha Tom and she's thirty three. They cured her through

1024
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: stem a stem cell transplant. And this is right here

1025
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: in Dwell. We're not in Chicago, but right in Chicago.

1026
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: The physicians of the University of Illinois Hospital and Health

1027
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: Science System performed a procedure using medication to suppress hermune

1028
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: system and a small dose of body radiation before during

1029
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: a stem cell transplant. And so that was just really dope.

1030
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: But I'm just like, wow, they can find a cure

1031
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: for sickle cell. So many like a great friend of mine, Uh,

1032
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: look me, a great friend. I can't remember her name, Eddieomi.

1033
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: She has sickle cell. Her sister has sickle cell and

1034
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: has had so many scares with death, and she started

1035
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: this great organization called well, she can't call it anymore

1036
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: because Susan G. Cooman sold them. Yeah, I know, I

1037
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: don't know what he or they it's called now, but

1038
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: just I remember that was like kind of like my

1039
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: first kind of like just like knowledge about sickle cell

1040
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: from somebody in person. Then knowing that you kind of

1041
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: go through these bouts where you really can't get up,

1042
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: where you're so sick. She said, she spent so much

1043
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: of her her childhood in the hospital, right, And I'm

1044
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: just like wow, So if they can find a cure

1045
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: and do this again.

1046
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: The cell, you know what, stem cell research. This is

1047
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: just one example of how powerful it can be. And

1048
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: there's a lot of controversy because embryonic stem cells are

1049
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: used widely and they're the most powerful tools in stem

1050
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: cell research. They're much better than adult stem cells. So

1051
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: they get them from fetal tissue, you know, which can

1052
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: be you know, donated from women who have abortions and

1053
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: other ways too. But this just goes into like the

1054
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: other side of the debate about stem cell research and

1055
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: just look how powerful it can be. So if you

1056
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, feel like you're anti stem cells, then just

1057
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: look at this example.

1058
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: Woman's life was saved exactly. So those those are some

1059
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: good ones.

1060
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I came ready because you know, Mandy was beating me

1061
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: up last week.

1062
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: You weren't prepared. I keep this going.

1063
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: You get a plus. This is a good one. So

1064
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: I used to be a big fan of Project Runway.

1065
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: This was like the antidote for me to like America's

1066
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: next Top Model, Rest in Peace, which is ending after

1067
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: like seventy five cycles.

1068
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I was done with like I.

1069
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: Needed a brown break from a A n TM like

1070
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: years ago.

1071
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1072
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: So I love Project Runway and I love Tim Gunn

1073
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: And they just had the very first plus sized designer

1074
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: wind the whole the whole kit in Kaboodle. Yes, her

1075
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: name is Ashley. What's her last name?

1076
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: What her last name is? Oh my god, I love Ashley.

1077
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: She's so cute. Ashley tipped in Yep.

1078
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: I didn't watch this season, but I feel like I'm

1079
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: gonna binge watch it now because she's so cute. She

1080
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: has like this this cute little watermelon skirt. Yeah, I

1081
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: love me some watermelon clothes and her little lavender hair,

1082
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: and she just looks so so cute, and she looks

1083
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: so like everyone else in America.

1084
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: You know, I want to I want to see like

1085
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: her clothing. You know, usually like American and they'll have

1086
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: like I mean, Project Granway will show you like all

1087
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: of her looks.

1088
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 2: Oh the looks.

1089
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gotta look. I gotta google her to watch.

1090
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: The season finale.

1091
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: And speaking of Project Runway, they had this big when

1092
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: plus sized designer winning. But then mister tim Gunn, who's like,

1093
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: I love him. He just actually, if you want something,

1094
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: you want a Tim gun fix. He's he's doing the

1095
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: rounds right now. I think he has a book coming

1096
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: out or something or other. He was just on for

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Speaker 3: a new Staabbies podcast, so money. Yeah, it was a

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Speaker 3: pretty good interview. So he was on Huffing to Post

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Speaker 3: Live and they asked him about his feelings about the Kardashians.

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Speaker 3: I forget how they came up. Tim gun does not

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Speaker 3: strike me as the kind of person who just brings

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Speaker 3: up Kardashians in his everyday conversation because he hates them,

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00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: like his his feelings toward them were so visceral in

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00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: this interview and he says that he basically says he

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00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: hates he he thinks it's disgusting and tasteless, like how

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00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: they have used their platform to influence fashion, and he's like,

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00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: if you want to know what not to wear. Just

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00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: look at whatever the Kardashians are wearing. And he doesn't

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00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: like that the fashion. It seems like he's a bit

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00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: bitter about how the fashion industry is has, you know,

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00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: so supposedly embraced them. They're like at all the shows

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00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: now Balmain is like their official Kardashian fashion house, and

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00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: he even calls out Kendall Jenner. And I feel like,

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Speaker 3: if you're a model today and you work, like modeling

1115
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: isn't easy and it takes a lot of hustle, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like if you look at a person if

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00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: you're modeling, you're trying to get your you know, your

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00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 3: career off the ground. You look at someone like Kendall Jenner,

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00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 3: like I'd feel like you can easily feel a little

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00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: bitter about how quickly her star rows and question whether

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00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: or not that would have happened if she didn't have

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Speaker 3: the Kardashian pr machine behind her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean definitely. I mean Kendall obviously has the

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Speaker 1: build and she's beautiful, so I don't I think that

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Speaker 1: she would still be a model. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: she'd be a top model, but I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: She certainly wouldn't have been like hanging out a car

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Speaker 2: Lagerfeld house.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those things. Yeah, but definitely I think

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Speaker 1: that she's got the building, the look to be a model.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 3: I just loved Tim that he kept it so real

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00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: because I feel like people for some reason have become

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Speaker 3: afraid of the Kardashian Like they're so powerful now that

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Speaker 3: people are afraid to come out and talk against them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That one time Katie Kirk who works at Yahoo, but

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00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: apparently Katie Kirk when like Katie Kirk said something about

1139
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: them that wasn't so nice about Kim or something like that,

1140
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: right before Northwest was born. And then when Northwest was born,

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00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: she sent her like a little baby gift or a

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00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: card or something congratulating her, and Kim send it back

1143
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: and like and like posts on Instagram about it. So

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00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: I remember, the people are afraid to talk about them,

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00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I just loved him gun for

1146
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: calling them out for the crazy, insane machine that they

1147
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: are and calculating they call them entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 2: Now that's just like just yeah, any other wins, I

1149
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: think those were my two wins.

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Speaker 1: And with that we say it.

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Speaker 3: Do another episode of Brown break in the can no

1152
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: Brown break another Brown mission.

1153
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: If you have a Brown break you want to share,

1154
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: If you have a win, we'd love to get some

1155
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Speaker 1: more wins that.

1156
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: You want to share or questions.

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00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, November is not just Thanksgiving and Black Friday season,

1158
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: which we'll probably talk about in future episodes, but it's

1159
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: also the time when everyone who graduated from college in May.

1160
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: It's when your student loans come to six month grace

1161
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: per it's over. My little brother included, it's a wrap,

1162
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: it is. They're coming for you. Please do not forget.

1163
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: I made the mistake of forgetting about the grace period

1164
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: ending and I was like two months behind right out

1165
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: the gate. Yeah, awesome for my credit score. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: just a public service announcement about that. And if you

1167
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Speaker 3: have any questions about student debt, salary negotiation, something happened

1168
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Speaker 3: at work story to share, email us at Brown Ambition

1169
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,680
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1172
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: Everyone's really like involved and really support him on there.

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00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,280
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1174
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Speaker 1: And then just everything all in general can be find.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lot. Just go to Brown

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Speaker 1: ambition dot com. Everything is literally the Brown Ambition Podcast

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Speaker 1: dot com, Brand Ambition Podcast dot com.

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Speaker 3: Someone said brown ambition dot com years ago. Currently Brown

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Speaker 3: Ambition podcast dot com. All of our information, they're all

1180
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 3: the social all the different places you can find us

1181
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: on iTunes, Google, Sure, SoundCloud, all that.

1182
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: Gets just everything. That's where you can find this though.

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Speaker 1: All right, and we're out by