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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling

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Speaker 2: railval No, no, sibling, rail don't do that with your mouth. Revelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good. Some love riff, it seems and oh those some.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Summer's over. Oh gosh, it's a time for reflection. It's

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Speaker 2: a time for pain. It's a time for nostalgia, and

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Speaker 2: for me, nostalgia equals pain thinking back on the summer

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Speaker 2: that I had and reminiscing trying to keep a smile

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Speaker 2: on my face when really it's a bit of a

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Speaker 2: frown because I wish I was still summering. But it

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Speaker 2: was a good summer. Honestly. I try to tell my kids, hey,

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Speaker 2: think positive. You know, my daughter was going to school

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Speaker 2: the other day and she's not happy about her class

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Speaker 2: necessarily you know who's in it, and she loves all

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Speaker 2: of her friends. But you know, when you get separated

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Speaker 2: from some of your besties and whatever, and I'm always

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Speaker 2: giving advice that I need to take myself. So with her,

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Speaker 2: it's like, look, there is you have no choice in

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Speaker 2: the matter. Okay, this is the hand you've been dealt.

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Speaker 2: You can either make you know, you can make lemonade

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Speaker 2: out of it, or you can just eat the sour lemons.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you, like, but being

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Speaker 2: negative is only gonna make you feel bad, So you

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Speaker 2: might as well look at the positive parts of these

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Speaker 2: things or try to, you know, make the best of it.

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Speaker 2: Ba ba bay, because you don't have another fucking choice.

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Speaker 2: And she's the only kid who actually listens to me,

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Speaker 2: because I can see her nodding and taking it in.

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Speaker 2: But I don't practice what I preach, you know, because

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Speaker 2: I kind of a class is half empty guy, Not

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Speaker 2: not really, I don't know. I just get I get upset,

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Speaker 2: like oh man. Anyway, but summer was amazing. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: be positive. Little recap started it off in Greece or

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Speaker 2: in the south of France. Actually incredible. Then we were

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Speaker 2: in Greece. We actually got this incredible Airbnb in Greece

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Speaker 2: out my own shit. But this one's in particular. It

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Speaker 2: was so inexpensive. It was like a huge piece of property.

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Speaker 2: It was three amazing little guesthouse right on the water.

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Speaker 2: The host was honestly like amazing. The guy had just

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Speaker 2: So I started off there and then we did that,

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Speaker 2: We did Grease was incredible, and then you know, Colorado

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Speaker 2: Seeing my in laws, I'm the most unluckiest man alive.

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Speaker 2: I have the greatest in laws ever. I challenge anyone,

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Speaker 2: anyone to have better in laws than I do. And

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Speaker 2: I will have a serious showdown. We'll get Brooks and

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Speaker 2: together and whatever fucking in laws you want to get

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Speaker 2: in there. We'll do a death match. Mine will win.

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Speaker 2: And now we're home, and I'm happy. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy. I'm a happy boy. You know. I love

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Speaker 2: being home. There's always something nice about getting home. You

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Speaker 2: I'm in my house. Time to start my life again,

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Speaker 2: Time to get back to work, time for structure to

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Speaker 2: there's my recap. But right now, we've got some dudes.

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Speaker 2: We've got some brothers in the waiting room who can

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Speaker 2: probably relate to a lot of my poker pain. There's

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Speaker 2: It's the Phinowal brothers. Bring them on. Okay, Well, first

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Speaker 1: I woke up and I was like when people like

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, same thing. My friend Mitch texted

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Speaker 1: I don't really get sad. I just don't feel like

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, it's still weird. It's still weird.

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Speaker 2: First of all, how old are you guys?

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Speaker 1: I'm twenty two, okay, now I'm about twenty nine now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, twenty nine, twenty two. Are are you the only

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Speaker 2: The other two boys don't or siblings don't play cards

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Speaker 1: Our one brother, the second oldest, came to Vegas this

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Speaker 1: like the Mystery Millions tournament. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: I remember, Yeah, dude, do do do doo? Hold on,

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Speaker 2: If you googled the beat that I took. I remember

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Speaker 2: I was obsessed. I played in a bunch of WPT events.

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Speaker 2: read all. I at Helmley's book, I read Brunston's books,

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Speaker 1: You couldn't just tell them like, can we just wait like.

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Speaker 2: A day, no, because when they're when you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: So now I'm playing on ESPN and I was like,

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a long ass day. Just

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Speaker 2: And then boom uh national anthem, shuffle up and deal

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Speaker 2: dealt pocket tens. And that was the fucking end of it.

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Speaker 2: That was, by the way, it's not random. Oh okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: That's that's it. Yeah, but you're going to be on

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Speaker 1: I do remember the hand. I just didn't. I didn't, like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then you know, after that,

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Speaker 2: Then I'm like yeah, and he goes that Queen came.

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Speaker 2: I was scared. I thought that mate, you know, And

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Speaker 2: you know. I loved, loved, love playing poker. Of course,

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Speaker 2: now three kids deep, and yeah, I can't play that

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe if they got online over there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I wanted to ask you about.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Let's go back. You know, when did

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Speaker 2: it's become for you? I'm assuming it's your living right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a couple other things, okay, in real

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Was it college? I mean, did that where it's

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, how do you is? Is there software that

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Speaker 2: So is it something that you use to put into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there's.

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Speaker 1: Just this has made the game just it's it's such

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's you know, wow, dude, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's getting really complicated.

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Speaker 2: Here's what could be enlightening to people listening to this

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Speaker 1: And there's people that are like in this camp that's

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Speaker 1: still our degenerates of course, of course, like smarter now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the game now has become math forward. There's

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Speaker 2: give me, give me like a day in the life

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Speaker 2: of you know, because it sounds like you play but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean when we're home, like we're back.

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Speaker 2: Now where are you guys living, By the way, We're

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Speaker 1: Now September, We'regatta has something that they just came back,

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Speaker 1: like we're kind of just like when we're on the road,

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Speaker 1: it's just playing these this live circuit and then home

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Speaker 1: it's basically you know, wake up in the morning, play golf.

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Speaker 1: Then maybe I don't golf in the morning.

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Speaker 2: But where do you play in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a member, like the Ottinger clubs. It's like Ballimore,

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Speaker 2: I'm on the way cool. I'm a scratch golfer. I

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Speaker 1: I seen your.

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Speaker 2: Swing eleven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Really good.

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Speaker 2: Left right lefty that's right, yeah, half I play with

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Speaker 2: but there's still it's still there's still not a lot

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Speaker 2: of us, but there's more. So you play golf, you

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Speaker 2: have your day, you get outside and then it's time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe study a little bit, frushing up and then

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Speaker 1: Sundays the big day and Tuesday is probably the second

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so how do you play online? Like, how does

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Speaker 1: We have like Michigan is not with us, not with us, and.

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Speaker 2: So you're allowed to play online in certain states. Is

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Speaker 1: It's so weird, Like I don't know if you ever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, back in the day, I mean back in

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Speaker 2: full tilt. We're playing all kinds of different sites, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So from my understanding, it was they're running in

433
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: it's like some Ponzi scheme types thing, and they didn't

434
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: have money to pay people out, and like the whole

435
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: thing fell apart and the government like really cracked down

436
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: on online and then now it's just been like coming

437
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: back slowly, but like state by state kind of like

438
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: the sports betting, yeah, much lower. They care about sports

439
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: betting a lot more though. Yeah yeah, yeah, so I

440
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: guess it like works like similarly, I.

441
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: Are you playing online with people who you know, meaning

442
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 2: there's a group that you can learn how they play

443
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: or is it all still pretty random?

444
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: No? I mean the same people were on every night

445
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: almost they are.

446
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 2: We're trying to take their their money exactly.

447
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: It's all competition constantly, and there's there's still like you know,

448
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: there's a lot of weaker players that play a lot too.

449
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: So it's you know, we're just trying to get better

450
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: every day.

451
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: And what what game is it's just no limit or

452
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: do you play other game?

453
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: It's just no limit. We just play in a limit.

454
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: There is a lot of in the live realm, like

455
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: the World Series and like Live there's a lot of

456
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: live like mixed games and stuffy.

457
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're just strict strictly and hold them. You're

458
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: strictly hold them.

459
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to learn if I win like

460
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: another bracelet, because they're like really small fields at the series. Yeah,

461
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: start racking them up. You got to play the next game.

462
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: So if I I think, if I get another one,

463
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: I might really start trying to learn.

464
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: And what are the stakes? Are you playing cash cash game?

465
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: He plays? I play some live if I can get

466
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: in like a big one, but online relatively small compared

467
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: to live.

468
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: And so are you just playing tournament style?

469
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: Just empty?

470
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, tournament got okay? Got it? And what are

471
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: some of the entry points like cash wise for some

472
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: of these bigger tournaments that you play.

473
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: In person, Like I've played all the way up to

474
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, right right, so, but most my ABI, like

475
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: on average, I think I BUYD for like seven thousand

476
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: on average. It's like the average tournament.

477
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: Buying I play is that online.

478
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: Online is like two hundred or something.

479
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: Oh so it's just little.

480
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: They're way smaller. It's way smaller, but you get like

481
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: you play thousands a year.

482
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like a lot different.

483
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Live the stakes are like way higher, but like

484
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: the volumes like way less.

485
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: What do you prefer?

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: Probably online it's more consistent. I don't know, it's de

487
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: onely more consistent because the volume, like the swings are less.

488
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: It's just like you're going to hit the long run.

489
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: Like there's no luck when you play like tens of

490
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: thousands of games over a couple of years sample. But

491
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: like live, if you play like one hundred and fifty

492
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: or fifty two hundred tournaments a year, like you just

493
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: could have losing years like all the time. It's like

494
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: very Online is just very consistent. But on I mean

495
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: live is where all the money is. Like if you

496
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: start running good or like making some string and some

497
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: runs together, just a lot more you know, money on

498
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: the table, and there's a lot more glory with like

499
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: the bracelets and like the.

500
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: For sure idols and stuff, you know, for sure for sure.

501
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: I Mean the other thing is it's probably would you

502
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: agree that it's more it's a more of a pure

503
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: game live, you know, just because online, like you were

504
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 2: saying though, like you have programs that are feeding you

505
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: information that you can learn and then use, rather than

506
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: when you're playing live. I mean you are really at

507
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: a table of ten people. Like that's it.

508
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's still you're still playing like effectively the

509
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: same way, you just have access a different information.

510
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: Live.

511
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: It's like online you have thousands of hands of these people,

512
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: and there's also programs that track how they're playing. It's

513
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: called like a hud, so you'll know the percentage of

514
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: the time. This guy raises, the percentage of the time.

515
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: This guy's got the percentage of time, and you can

516
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: like you know, cross reference that with like the theory basedline, right,

517
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: and then you can really hammer them and punish them

518
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: for where they're they're off. What's that?

519
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

520
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: Live, you know you can kind of just sit there

521
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: with this, you know, say it's an older gentleman for

522
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: five hours, he hasn't played a hand, Like that's more

523
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: your information, Like Okay, this guy's probably got it.

524
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah you know where yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

525
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of the difference.

526
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: How do you enjoyed the camaraderie though, you know, like

527
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: being at the social parts is being in the being

528
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: in the room, like there's a feeling.

529
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of a lot of fun, Like

530
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing like a final table or like just traveling

531
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: like we go to i We're making Paris to stuff

532
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: every year like epts like you to Europe, play, just

533
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: play a couple of tournaments like Bahamas is December, like

534
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: two weeks you go to Vegas, like it's just a

535
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: good time.

536
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what are your best finishes live?

537
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: So he yeah for me her first year, but I

538
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: have a four hundred and twenty.

539
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: K score in Borgata damn Yeah, which was in January,

540
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: so pretty recent.

541
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: He won like one of his first biggest Yeah.

542
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: Besides that, it was like do you want it?

543
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: You want it? Yeah, I want it?

544
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: And the f first was for twenty yeah good number.

545
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. At online he's got like a lot of results,

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: but like the number here smaller.

547
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: Besides that, my next best ashes probably like twenty thousand.

548
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let me ask you a question, Nikki. You're

549
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: twenty two years old, you're twenty one at the time,

550
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 2: right right, what was your bank account looking like before

551
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 2: that four hundred thousand got put into it?

552
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was like, uh, like sixty sixty thousand something

553
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: around there.

554
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: So I had a decent roll.

555
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're like six x in your bank account, Like, yeah,

556
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: what does that feel like? I mean, is like, holy fuck, dude.

557
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: I mean I.

558
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: Remember I was at the poker table when it hit,

559
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: Like I kept looking at my at my bank.

560
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

561
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: So like when it hit, I was at the poker table.

562
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: I just honestly, I just couldn't stop smiling.

563
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: It was break It was Well, here's the thing too,

564
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: when he when he won, we had a big, big

565
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: family there and a lot of friends hanging out, like

566
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, and when after we threw a big party,

567
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: and then like fifty of us went to the bar

568
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: and he was he went he went to bed. He

569
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: just fell asleep right after he won. You just didn't

570
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: even to be fair, we were like a big party.

571
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: Was spent, dude, A little emotionally spent.

572
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: I was I was sick, and I was talking playing

573
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: like three or four days straight or whatever. Yeah, so

574
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: I would have definitely went out. I kind of regret

575
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: not going out, honestly, because I probably could have pushed it.

576
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't feeling I wasn't.

577
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: That's all right. And and so you were head up,

578
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: what was do you remember? What was the hand that

579
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: that took took it down?

580
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: It was so he was like he was really short.

581
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: He was like five big blondes or something. So okay,

582
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: and I had pocket kings. I like limp the I

583
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: limped the button. Yeah, and he jammed like king three

584
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: off or something.

585
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, done, he actually did.

586
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: He turned an open endo.

587
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: Actually, oh geez.

588
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a chance from the win.

589
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, dude, that fucking feels good. Holy shit. Wow.

590
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: And what about you? What's it? What about you cash?

591
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: What's your big win?

592
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: So? I have two bracelets, yeah, but just one one

593
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: in July for six fifteen. My biggest score. I got

594
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: a fifth in the win the first WPT World Championship

595
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: for like one point three something.

596
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, So yeah, a.

597
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Little over one point three and I have a smaller

598
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: bracelet online also the second in an online high roller

599
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: a bracelet like Chopped the Money heads Up. Maybe I

600
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't say.

601
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: That it is with Joe McKeon, but you know Joe

602
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: mckiann No, he won the twenty fifteen man.

603
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah we we.

604
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: We split were I got second in that one. It

605
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: was a lot too.

606
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, damn dude, we're doing well. Yeah, we'll go

607
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: back to the degenerate side of gambling. You know. You

608
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: you look at these guys like the phil Ivs, who

609
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: would you know, make millions playing poker and then just go,

610
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, give it all back at Craps and Bakra

611
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: and all that. Right, So he did have.

612
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: Those lawsuits with Bakra, I don't know if it was

613
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Monte Carlo and then where he He's definitely a sharp guy.

614
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: You just like the game. I think I played a

615
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: lot with the summer. I actually play a full day with

616
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: them in a fifty.

617
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: K you did.

618
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did knock me out.

619
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: He's he's there's something about him when I was playing,

620
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: just watching him, like, dude, this guy's a shark. This

621
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: guy's tough, like all around. You know, he was considered

622
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: the best. Yeah, you know, but do you guys play

623
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: casino games or no? No, not really good mess around?

624
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: We mess around, like mess around, but you know you're

625
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: making a living not just as degenerate poker players, but

626
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: as articulate, you know, smart people who know how to

627
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, understand the game and not crack it but

628
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: give yourself an advantage. And you still want to piss

629
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: it all away, you.

630
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, we don't. I mean, like we're like we're

631
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, like having some drinks, like a couple

632
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: hundred bucks ultimate hold them or something like stuff like that.

633
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know.

634
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: People that are really sick. Oh yeah, and it's so easy,

635
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: like you're just always around it too, so they're just

636
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: like it's maybe not the best space for them in general.

637
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you guys have a pretty damn

638
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: good head on your shoulders, right, Like is this you're

639
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: so young? You know, is this your future? I mean?

640
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: Or is this something you want to do and then

641
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: move out of? Or you know what I'm saying, especially

642
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: you Nikki, Like you're twenty two and you're twenty nine, right,

643
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: so I had my first fucking kid at twenty nine.

644
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, where are you at

645
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: with the longevity of poker moving into your thirties and

646
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: forties and beyond.

647
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm honestly just trying to take

648
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: it like like we like even year by year, I'm

649
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 3: just trying to push it as hard as like end

650
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: year by year basically. And then I mean long term,

651
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm kind of just trying to get to the you know,

652
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: the next level. It's it like, that's just my goal

653
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: right now, just be as best I can honestly.

654
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Year by year. So long term, I really don't. I'm

655
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: not sure. I mean, poker definitely will be involved like

656
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: my whole life.

657
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'll play the main probably you know,

658
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: as long as I can.

659
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, because it's fun.

660
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm I'm just trying to get to the

661
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: you know, like the high roller level basically.

662
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm similar to that.

663
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: There's other stuff I'm interested in.

664
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got real estate, you got some stuff going on.

665
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: It's like poker is like a kind of a capped,

666
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: like more niche like situation. It's it's you could do well,

667
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: but there's definitely, like I think more opportunities in some

668
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: other spaces. You know, I love it though, I still

669
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: love it.

670
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's good about real estate is you're making

671
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: that kind of money. It's there's no better place to invest,

672
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean if you

673
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: are sort of making millions of dollars as a poker

674
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: play and using some of that dough to buy houses,

675
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: to rent houses, to air bab ship, I mean, then

676
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: you're building something with that dough, you know what I mean.

677
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm mainly in commercial right now, but I'm starting to, like,

678
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, move around.

679
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.

680
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm always excited to try and get in the new,

681
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: let's say, new spaces.

682
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: What about girls? You know, is this even a focus

683
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: of yours? Do you even have time?

684
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: I have a long term girlfriend, you do, yeah, about

685
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: four years now. Okay, I'm like, we're really serious and

686
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: she's very supportive too. She's a nurse. Yeah, Nikki is

687
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: still single though. Yeah, I'm not really thinking right now.

688
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm very very you're young.

689
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going out with my boys like every

690
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks or whatever time.

691
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to worry about that.

692
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: I kind of don't really want a girlfriend to be honest, Yeah,

693
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: because it's just like it's just going to distract me

694
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: from you know what.

695
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do.

696
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: Good good. Oh.

697
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I also had something to bring up too about that.

698
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: So we're talking about like the family the home games.

699
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: They used to have my mom's side, a couple, like

700
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: a couple like times over the year we had like

701
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: a family home tournament. We were just like drink and

702
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: hang out and have fun. My girlfriend, who's never played,

703
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: actually won the last one. I had like fifty people

704
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: in it. She beat him heads up.

705
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I have a funny story actually like that

706
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: as well. I was in we were in Vegas. My

707
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: wife was doing a job at the time. She was

708
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: a model back then, but she was doing a job

709
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: and there was just like a little tournament. You know,

710
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: it's like a two hundred dollars buy in or whatever,

711
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: but you know it's like, you know, five tables, six

712
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: tables something like that. She has an idea how to

713
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: play poker, meaning like knows what beats what, but she

714
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: has no fucking clue really about much of anything, and

715
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: she ends up just you know, stacking chips. I end

716
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: up stacking chips. We end up at the final table

717
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: together and she's knocking people out. I knock a couple

718
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: of people out. We end up head up and I'm

719
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: playing against my she's my girlfriend at the time. A

720
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: little no, it was a real. It was just a

721
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: I forget what hotel we were are, but this is

722
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: a real It was like it was like a forty

723
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: to fifty person tournament, was like a four or five

724
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: table tournament. Wasn't anything big, you know, but it was

725
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: like one of those small midday deals, you know. And uh,

726
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not going to go easy on you,

727
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: but you fucking beat me. Yeah, I always have that

728
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: s funny, Yeah, one hundred, but I love it, dude.

729
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: I still I worked in Albuquerque for two years. I

730
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: was doing a TV show out there and they have

731
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: a casino and I kind of got back into poker there.

732
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: I got into an online game, which it's like these

733
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: private online line games, yeah, where you have to be invited,

734
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: but it's really.

735
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Careful with those.

736
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: You really be careful. Why they're not regulated.

737
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: Like there's like a lot of like I don't know,

738
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't know who's in there, but it depends if

739
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: you're like if you're friends with the guy I know, it's.

740
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: It's yeah, they seem cool. I don't. I don't know,

741
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: And it's all I don't play a ton of big money.

742
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of cheating.

743
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: How would they cheat? Like, how does that work? You know,

744
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: just you could in those games, I mean that was big,

745
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: it was a big game.

746
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: Some of them you probably could, like just it's probably

747
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: possible to like have a security breach and get control

748
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: of the whole cards, and it's also possible to to

749
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: just you could also just run the solvers on it too,

750
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: And there's not yea, you know, it's probably not those games.

751
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: It wouldn't apply as much because it's you're probably playing

752
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: more fun.

753
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: It's like it's super super loosey goosey fun. It's literally

754
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: just like see cards turn over. You're like, ah, yeah.

755
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: It's small.

756
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: It's like who cares, Yeah, cheating for a couple of Yeah, Okay,

757
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: well maybe I'll stop. I don't want I still here's

758
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: the reason why I stop playing poker. I didn't stop.

759
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: But if I won ten grand, I'd be like that's dope, awesome.

760
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: If I lost ten grand, I'm gonna fucking drive off

761
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: a bridge, you know what I mean, I didn't, and

762
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: I realized that. I was like, you know what, I

763
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: I don't have the right mind for it. It's a

764
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: whole different ballgame, you know when it comes to that stuff.

765
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: It's like we're talking about like Kobe, like you know,

766
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: competitiveness and whatever, like post you a little bit. Yeah,

767
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: you got to kind of be like detached, Yeah, execution thing,

768
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: Like you gotta just live and die with the results.

769
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: And it's like you're gonna lose and play good and

770
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna like they win sometimes and it's like you.

771
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a total detachment. I think

772
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: you're right. I think that's what makes you guys probably successful,

773
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: because if you care too much, you know, that's going

774
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: to affect the way you play.

775
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it definitely gets to you sometimes. I

776
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: mean literally in the main event, I I busted the

777
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: main event. I got like I got two out of

778
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: on the river, and I literally both a flight home

779
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: right after because I was just pissed.

780
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: I was just like I just booked a right after.

781
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he left me.

782
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it definitely gets you sometimes, but you know,

783
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: you just got to keep the good lad.

784
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: All right, So you got I told you I heard

785
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: some of your bigger wins? What what what are your

786
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: bigger what are some of your big losses?

787
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

788
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Do you have one in mind where we're like a fuck, dude,

789
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: that was.

790
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: A fifty thousand dollars tournament. I pieced out half of

791
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: it probably, so like twenty five thousand. There's probably the

792
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: most ever loss in a day.

793
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm crazy.

794
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't know the tournaments. It's tournaments because you when

795
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: you win, you win like seventy times one hundred time

796
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: you lose, you just lose one or like two of them.

797
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: So it's and you're selling pieces, is that what you're saying?

798
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bigger stuff A lot of It's like like

799
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: most people playing the super high stakes like sell pieces

800
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to have you know, one hundred two

801
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: hundred buyans like for these events, and like, hmm, most

802
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: people don't have five million, ten million to play poker. Yeah,

803
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: just cash to like play, so you got to piece off.

804
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: You know, it was fifty thousand, have five you have

805
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: like ten million to play?

806
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you don't have that.

807
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: It's better to like mitigate some risk and yeah, maybe

808
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: get a couple percent, you know, juice on the money. Yeah,

809
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people do.

810
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: Do you guys have pieces of each other?

811
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: I used to, and I was too rich, Like five,

812
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I give him, I give him pieces of the bigger stuff.

813
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, but you buy in or do you guys?

814
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Brother brother? Like fuck it, I'll give you ten you

815
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: give me ten percent?

816
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, swap that happens, like yeah, actually one

817
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: five percent sometimes yeah yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, I

818
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: mean I firm no matter what.

819
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course your brother's at the end of the day.

820
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Oh that was actually onety two, So I was into that.

821
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: I got destroyed in that tournament. I got knocked out

822
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: eighteen times. All money went to him. I didn't have

823
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: a piece of.

824
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's amazing. And then you took his money,

825
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: basically took eighteen buy ins.

826
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: My worst tournament like performance was the one you won.

827
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: That's amazing, dude. Well cool, I appreciate you guys coming on.

828
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: This is fun for me, you know us. I still

829
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: got the bug a little bit. I got to figure

830
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: out how to how to scratch the itch. It's just hard.

831
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 2: I can't go to the casinos anymore. It's just too late.

832
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: I was there all night. You know. That would be

833
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: fun exactly, That would be fun.

834
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best one.

835
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: It is, it is. Maybe I'll see you guys down

836
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: the road. I appreciate you boys. Thanks man, good luck, Okay,

837
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: all right, thank you. Poker boys. It's so interesting. They're young,

838
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: these young dudes. Now, it's it's not just like the

839
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: degenerate whiskey drinking cigarette smoking cigar chomping smoke poker player.

840
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure there. They're still out there. There's no doubt

841
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: about that. But there's a smart you know, that has

842
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: to happen. And now, I mean, but they were talking

843
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: about these systems and these programs and the software and

844
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: the fucking algorithms and the thing and the percentages about

845
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that is so far over my head. I'm like,

846
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: I look at you. I'm like, I think he's bluffing,

847
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: and then I lose. Anyway, that was fun. I'm out. Peace,