Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Bobby Brown. This season of Beyond the
Speaker 1: Beauty has been talking to founders of beauty companies about
Speaker 1: how they started, why they started, what they're struggling with.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do this season based on these
Speaker 1: amazing founders because I was about to launch my new
Speaker 1: brand and not only do I give them advice, they
Speaker 1: have given me a ton of advice and have been
Speaker 1: mentors to me. So I love talking to people that
Speaker 1: have done it differently than I know, and I also
Speaker 1: love sharing what I know. And it's been a really
Speaker 1: interesting season talking to all these different you know, founders
Speaker 1: of beauty brands, you know, some women, some guys, some
Speaker 1: natural companies, some not and even you know pioneers who
Speaker 1: have been in the space before me. And I love
Speaker 1: mostly being able to understand how people do things, how
Speaker 1: they do it differently. And I just think it's really
Speaker 1: important for people out there that want to start their
Speaker 1: own businesses just to hear other stories so a you
Speaker 1: could relate or maybe you can get inspired. I'm someone
Speaker 1: that likes to not only talk about being an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: but I really love to talk when it means to
Speaker 1: be a woman, what it means to be a mother,
Speaker 1: what it means to be a friend, you know how
Speaker 1: that defines you. And I'm constantly working on myself and
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the next season, which is
Speaker 1: why I want to talk to my next guest, a Julie,
Speaker 1: who is a a friend who I actually met when
Speaker 1: I was doing a speech and she was running the
Speaker 1: event at Google. Was it a women's group? What was it? So?
Speaker 1: I don't remember who, um who had formally extended the
Speaker 1: invitation to you, but it was probably women at Google,
Speaker 1: which I was on the steering committee of UM. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was. It was a while ago, so
Speaker 1: I did it, but I got, you know, much more
Speaker 1: than I thought, which was this long friendship where you
Speaker 1: came up to me afterwards and you were such a
Speaker 1: cool like you were the you know, the head of
Speaker 1: legal at Google, like you were just not some kids
Speaker 1: sitting in the audience, and then and then we became friends.
Speaker 1: And then when my son was looking for work after college,
Speaker 1: you mentored him. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful that I went to that talk and uh
Speaker 1: and got to meet you there, and I had always
Speaker 1: been a long adviirer of your brand and what you
Speaker 1: had built, and you know, certainly as a girl of
Speaker 1: color at a certain time, UM, you were the O G.
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was what introduced me to
Speaker 1: make up, was your line and feeling like I could
Speaker 1: feel beautiful at a time when everything else that I
Speaker 1: was seeing in media, I was telling you that I
Speaker 1: was not the standard of beauty and being able to
Speaker 1: find things that worked for me was huge. And then
Speaker 1: hearing your story, I was like, she is the coolest,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to know her. And I was
Speaker 1: really embarrassed that afterwards that I did that to you,
Speaker 1: because I never just like bum rush somebody like that
Speaker 1: that I just felt this immediate connection to you, to
Speaker 1: your story, how you talked about your family. We're both
Speaker 1: from Chicago, so I think there were just so many
Speaker 1: synergies and I really felt compelled to do that, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever done that, Like I was
Speaker 1: really kind of mortified later, but I'm glad it worked out.
Speaker 1: But but that is that is in your nature to
Speaker 1: do that, because you are you know, you say you're
Speaker 1: these things, but you're all also very fearless and incredibly
Speaker 1: inspirational and interesting. So you know, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: spend a second. I'm like, I can't even like remember
Speaker 1: every little thing you've done, But what did you do
Speaker 1: before Google? Okay, so my career is a bit of
Speaker 1: a windy groad. So I started. I'm a lawyer by training,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned. Um, So I started my career post
Speaker 1: law school living in London at a big New York
Speaker 1: law firm called Sherman and Sterling. I spent a few
Speaker 1: years there, and I went there and spent two years
Speaker 1: in the London office, traveling over Europe, came back to
Speaker 1: the New York office, and then about a year into
Speaker 1: my time in New York, um that Not eleven happened.
Speaker 1: And when I came back to New York, I always
Speaker 1: knew that I didn't want to stay at a big
Speaker 1: firm forever. I sort of tripped into that job. But
Speaker 1: Not eleven was a big wake up call. And I
Speaker 1: always had a very strong bleeding heart, you know, I
Speaker 1: was a very I had a strong impetus to do
Speaker 1: good in the world, and so that was kind of
Speaker 1: the kick in the pants I needed to go do it.
Speaker 1: So I left Sherman and Sterling and went to the
Speaker 1: Robin Hood Foundation, so that Bright and me up, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, So I and three years of
Speaker 1: robin Foundation doing sort of consulting work essentially for the
Speaker 1: grand recipients of Robin Hood. And it was an extraordinary time, UM,
Speaker 1: really important work. It was really part of the fabric
Speaker 1: of the city and the rebuild of the city. So
Speaker 1: it was really humbling to be a part of that
Speaker 1: very on the ground. But I wasn't practicing law there
Speaker 1: and then I kind of realized I missed the law,
Speaker 1: which I never thought would be wars that would come
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. And so I ended up at
Speaker 1: a recently started nonprofit called Acumen Fund, which is not
Speaker 1: called Acumen. I went there as a general council and
Speaker 1: so helped us set up our offices in India and
Speaker 1: focus on and you know, just figuring out how to
Speaker 1: do these grounds and equity investments in different companies and
Speaker 1: nonprofits around the world. Um. And then after a few
Speaker 1: years there, I was recruited to Google. So Acumen was
Speaker 1: a big grand recipient Google when Google dot org first started,
Speaker 1: and I honestly had no idea what I was doing
Speaker 1: there when I walked in there. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand how the interne at works. I don't understand
Speaker 1: how Google makes money. I was really clueless walking into
Speaker 1: that job, but it worked out great and I ended
Speaker 1: up loving it. I stayed there for many years, and
Speaker 1: then you went to Warby Parker and then I went
Speaker 1: to Eary Parker. Yeah. So funny enough, one of the
Speaker 1: founders of Warby Parker knew me from my time and acumen,
Speaker 1: and so when I was at GC there he was
Speaker 1: running one of the nonprofits right out of college that
Speaker 1: we funded, and we ran into each other at a
Speaker 1: conference um and he came up to me and was like,
Speaker 1: you know, do you remember me. I'm doing this thing now.
Speaker 1: It's like, good for you. I didn't wear glasses. I
Speaker 1: really didn't understand the pain point. I didn't understand what
Speaker 1: you're building. But then he reached out to me when
Speaker 1: I was at Google for about six years and he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, would you would you talk to me
Speaker 1: about this position. We're thinking about hiring a general counsel
Speaker 1: and we'd like that to be you. But the pattern
Speaker 1: is that you don't know what you're doing when you
Speaker 1: take these jobs, and you just go in and you
Speaker 1: figure it out. Yeah, that's very much a pattern. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because, especially as a lawyer, I think that's
Speaker 1: not typical because usually you're as a lawyer, paid for
Speaker 1: what you already know, and then you do that again
Speaker 1: and again, and you sort of double down on the
Speaker 1: expertise and just get to charge more and more for
Speaker 1: that expertise. And what I found is a that's not
Speaker 1: fun for me. So I'm happy to do it to
Speaker 1: a point, but I get bored really easily doing that. Um,
Speaker 1: And I think there's way better lawyers than me. Frankly.
Speaker 1: I think there's like people who are so good at
Speaker 1: what they do with the legal stuff, and they really
Speaker 1: love the nuances and the weeds of the law. But
Speaker 1: I like, you know, figuring it out, untangling the spaghetti,
Speaker 1: and then passing off to somebody else who can do
Speaker 1: it again and again and then moving on to the
Speaker 1: next thing, because how long will you or be I
Speaker 1: was there three years, three years, and then you went
Speaker 1: to well, then I left because I got a book deal.
Speaker 1: So I ended up writing a book which had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with any of this stuff. And the name,
Speaker 1: the name of the book the book is called Stocking
Speaker 1: God my unorthodox search for something to believe in. And
Speaker 1: it is funny. It is, it is honestly, it's a
Speaker 1: comedy as you are hysterical, you're you're one of those
Speaker 1: like bright, bright brains, but super funny. No, I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's the goal. Yeah, it was a really
Speaker 1: fun project. I had come up with this idea with
Speaker 1: my daughter, who just turned eleven, if you can believe it. Um,
Speaker 1: I think she was like three when you and I
Speaker 1: got home. Yeah, um, so she just turned eleven. But
Speaker 1: when she was born, I realized that I didn't really
Speaker 1: know what I believed about religion and spirituality and sort
Speaker 1: of the big questions in life that you couldn't google
Speaker 1: and answer to. But I realized that Zia is my name,
Speaker 1: that she would one day soon be asking me all
Speaker 1: kinds of things I didn't know, and so maybe I
Speaker 1: would try to figure it out. So it started as
Speaker 1: just a little project. I would go and meet like
Speaker 1: a cookie healer, or I would go to like some
Speaker 1: spiritual thing and do little things around the city. And
Speaker 1: then it sort of took on a life of its
Speaker 1: own and turned into this project. Um, and it's sort
Speaker 1: of before everybody was meditating. You know, It's like that
Speaker 1: stuff was super mainstream, um, at least in my circles,
Speaker 1: and so I still felt like I was a little
Speaker 1: out there doing this, but I was willing to try.
Speaker 1: And I think what people responded to is like I
Speaker 1: told the stories that like cock told parties and never funny,
Speaker 1: and my friends would laugh. And then people are just like,
Speaker 1: you have to write the stuff down, like there's something here.
Speaker 1: And then it turned into a book and then you've
Speaker 1: had one more job before we go into your new life, right,
Speaker 1: you had one more gig, which is at Chat. Yes. Correct.
Speaker 1: So once as my book was coming out, I think
Speaker 1: when I finished the book, I literally turned in the
Speaker 1: final draft and an old colleague from Google who had
Speaker 1: started Chatter transponed board. He reached out to me and
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we're building this thing. It was
Speaker 1: sort of the same things that we're building this thing, um,
Speaker 1: would you come talk to us and we think we
Speaker 1: need a chief people officer. That's how the conversation started.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know that stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I have nothing that knew. I'm happy to chat. And
Speaker 1: when he was telling me what they were doing, I
Speaker 1: was like I was it's pretty interesting, and I know
Speaker 1: nothing about the news world or media in that way.
Speaker 1: A part of my time working on YouTube stuff, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm curious. Sure, I'm happy
Speaker 1: to do this. And I love culture. I think that
Speaker 1: stuff is really important. How you treat employees, what how
Speaker 1: to get the best from people, Diversity, inclusion, all those
Speaker 1: issues were things that I was super interested in. UM
Speaker 1: so I took the job. And then this also became
Speaker 1: a pattern where they kind of through in the second job, like, oh,
Speaker 1: can you also be our general counsel? Was like yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so I was doing sort of that very womanly way
Speaker 1: too for the price of one. And and do you
Speaker 1: have people that you call and discuss this with? Is
Speaker 1: it your husband? Is it you want to say, Well,
Speaker 1: we've never had the financial discussion. You know, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's a really good point. The financial discussions
Speaker 1: are hard for me. It's so interesting. I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to work that muscle and get better at it. Um
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know. I was definitely raised with that
Speaker 1: generation where it's just not polite to talk about money.
Speaker 1: You just you don't ask those questions. I don't know like,
Speaker 1: it's all this stuff that I know is wrong, and
Speaker 1: I would advise anybody else not to take that advice.
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a hard thing, and I know
Speaker 1: it's hard for women. It's definitely hard, and I wish
Speaker 1: it weren't true. And I'm really trying to get better
Speaker 1: because the only way it gets better for all of
Speaker 1: us is if we all are sharing the math and
Speaker 1: really understanding, like, hey, but I've gotten better about certain things,
Speaker 1: Like I will when friends are telling you, like for
Speaker 1: speaking engagements and that kind of thing, and like they're
Speaker 1: paying you what you need to be asking for four
Speaker 1: times that, and I'm like, well, and then I will
Speaker 1: tell them this is what I got paid when I
Speaker 1: do a keno. When you are way way more popular
Speaker 1: than you have way more expertise on issue acts like
Speaker 1: you're the Michael Jordan, I'll blank, you should be paid accordingly.
Speaker 1: And um, I think that's helped all of us be
Speaker 1: more transparent. So much of what you do, it's like
Speaker 1: a snowball. You know, you do one thing and that
Speaker 1: takes on and it just keeps growing. So your book
Speaker 1: is also the gift that keeps on giving. Is it
Speaker 1: true that your ted talk. You've got four million? How
Speaker 1: many people I haven't looked? Well, I have to go.
Speaker 1: It's over for me, and I thing over four million
Speaker 1: people have senior type Yeah, that's unbelievable. Isn't that crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So so what was it like doing a
Speaker 1: Ted Talk? It was incredible. It was an out of
Speaker 1: body experience. I mean, I was so humble to be
Speaker 1: asked to do it. And then I got really in
Speaker 1: my head about what should I talk about. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I have to, you know, talk about saving the world,
Speaker 1: and I have to talk about business and social good
Speaker 1: through business and like all these things that I care about.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I didn't occur to me
Speaker 1: right off the bat, just to talk about this journey
Speaker 1: that I went on for this book that was coming out.
Speaker 1: And finally I was like, oh, you know what I
Speaker 1: have to do is just tell a really great story.
Speaker 1: That's what I have to do because I'm not an
Speaker 1: expert at blank. I didn't discover a cure for cancer,
Speaker 1: like I don't have that guy, which is a lot
Speaker 1: of what Ted talks are um. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell something that I am uniquely qualified
Speaker 1: to talk about, which is my journey on this particular topic.
Speaker 1: Um So that's what I did. So I just told
Speaker 1: the story of my attempts to sort of find religion
Speaker 1: and spirituality and the answers to the big questions in life.
Speaker 1: Um and that I failed at it miserably. But then
Speaker 1: the you know, kind of cut away at the end
Speaker 1: was that, but here's what I found instead, which was
Speaker 1: that everybody, regardless of their religious affiliation, of their socio
Speaker 1: economic background, if anything, we're all looking for the same
Speaker 1: three things which in my research, my my qualitative research
Speaker 1: um or health, happiness, and love. And so I kind
Speaker 1: of take people through that journey health, happiness, and love.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly though, that's like the essence of probably
Speaker 1: why we connected, Like those are those are three things
Speaker 1: that are very important to me, you know, and the
Speaker 1: reason you know, the next season of my podcast, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about where I want to take
Speaker 1: it and what I want to do, and for the
Speaker 1: third season, I realized that my my passion right now
Speaker 1: is helping people. I mean, it always has been. It's
Speaker 1: it's empowering, encouraging, making people, allowing people to learn how
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable in their skin, which that's confident and
Speaker 1: just the whole empowerment thing, you know. Being Look, I
Speaker 1: was a working mother, you know, I was a commuting mother,
Speaker 1: and I just really think that we need to build
Speaker 1: our community. And I just thought who better to have
Speaker 1: these conversations than you. You're the only person I thought
Speaker 1: of than you know, and you also have this amazing
Speaker 1: network of cool women that you know, have stories to
Speaker 1: tell and have ways to inspire other people. So well,
Speaker 1: I'm excited and I feel like you and me and
Speaker 1: a roll, a dux and a telephone, we could we
Speaker 1: could solve any problems. I think the two of us,
Speaker 1: we will, you know, will turn it into something else.
Speaker 1: So let's do you know, I do believe that you're
Speaker 1: stronger together than you are alone. I love a collaboration.
Speaker 1: I think, you know. It's um It's funny when you
Speaker 1: when I go through all the things that I've done,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it's just because I've done things
Speaker 1: for shorter amounts of time, Like I didn't run a
Speaker 1: company like you did for twenty five years. That was
Speaker 1: my own brand that I felt, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: different thing. I've been mostly an operator working for somebody
Speaker 1: else's vision UM. But my favorite times at any of
Speaker 1: those places, or side projects or any of it is
Speaker 1: always in a collaboration because I love the give and
Speaker 1: take of that. I love the exchange of ideas. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be the smartest person in the room.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a very middle of the pack
Speaker 1: and learned from everyone around me. And so UM, that's
Speaker 1: so fun to get that advice from people and people
Speaker 1: like you. But you are working on a couple of
Speaker 1: things now. I have been advising companies, so I started
Speaker 1: my own advisory company that I'm calling Slightly Reserved. There's
Speaker 1: a back story there that I won't for you with,
Speaker 1: but it's I just advise about twenty startups and mostly
Speaker 1: it's the founders that I'm really advising UM and the
Speaker 1: kind of industry agnostic it's all over the map, everything
Speaker 1: from fintech companies to beauty and wellness companies like Natural Beauty, UM,
Speaker 1: some supplement companies, and then you know kind of everything
Speaker 1: in between. It's like a nice mix of companies, subtext
Speaker 1: and non tech, mostly women and people of color founders,
Speaker 1: which I love. UM. When then I have a handful
Speaker 1: of legal clients just because they are incredible people, and
Speaker 1: so I can't help myself, and I want to help
Speaker 1: some of those books. And then I have some media
Speaker 1: projects that I'm kicking around, which has been a really
Speaker 1: fun you know kind of second chapter or whatever chapter
Speaker 1: I'm in at this point through chapter UM, that I'm
Speaker 1: super excited about. And I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: came from doing the Toxic Google, doing you know, the
Speaker 1: Ted talks certainly in the book UM, and doing some
Speaker 1: public speaking around the book, and just around my time
Speaker 1: at warby Parker, I started getting out there more and
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, kind of having a bit
Speaker 1: more of a public profile as much as you can
Speaker 1: have a public profile doing the nerdy things that I do.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so these things are now coming in.
Speaker 1: So we're developing my book into a limited series or
Speaker 1: a comedy series, which is super super are exciting. It's
Speaker 1: very early stages, but uh, you know from which cross
Speaker 1: I think there's so much room for content, as we've
Speaker 1: seen in the past year. So this podcast is all
Speaker 1: about what people could learn from the people that inspire me.
Speaker 1: And you are here because you inspire me, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you think that our listeners could learn from you?
Speaker 1: And where you've been to where they are, well, I
Speaker 1: hope they can learn that not knowing what you're doing
Speaker 1: is actually a strength, not a weakness. Like going into things,
Speaker 1: um with a bit of a beginner's mindset and staying
Speaker 1: open two things I think can really put you in
Speaker 1: a position of strength. I think we have a culture
Speaker 1: that really overvalues expertise and a way that um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's great obviously you want to be an expert at stuff,
Speaker 1: but a fresh perspective without carrying a lot of um
Speaker 1: kind of preconsilt notions about what's possible and what's not possible,
Speaker 1: can make you do things really really differently. And so
Speaker 1: I think you can do that sort of as a company,
Speaker 1: but even as a person and the way you approach
Speaker 1: your work. I think it's really important. And what kind
Speaker 1: of fearful things have you overcome in your career. I
Speaker 1: think I'm getting better at advocating for myself. So it
Speaker 1: sort of what we were talking about earlier, just you know,
Speaker 1: setting up what I need to be successful, making sure
Speaker 1: I asked about things that I'm concerned about before taking
Speaker 1: a position or before working with somebody, are taking on
Speaker 1: a client, and that's not something I was always so
Speaker 1: good at Like, so I think even when I left Google,
Speaker 1: initially I my daughter was about three and I was
Speaker 1: going to Warby Parker and the team, you know, the
Speaker 1: senior team I thought was all single, no kids. That
Speaker 1: didn't end up being the case, but I would never
Speaker 1: have asked them about how they think about, you know,
Speaker 1: working parents and what sort of flexibility they offer an
Speaker 1: a that kind of thing, had you not pushed me
Speaker 1: to frankly so, because I remember we had a conversation
Speaker 1: right before I was deciding, and You're like, is there
Speaker 1: anything left unset is or anything that you're still concerned about?
Speaker 1: And I raised this issue with you and I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, my daughter is only three. Um, I think
Speaker 1: this is it. You first encouraged me to have more kids,
Speaker 1: and I was like, did my mom call you? And
Speaker 1: was like I gave that just um. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm concerned about this one piece because
Speaker 1: I have incredible flexibility at Google. I've earned a lot
Speaker 1: of goodwill and trust there and so I can do
Speaker 1: you know, I can kind of do what I need
Speaker 1: to do and be there for my child and then
Speaker 1: also be really effective at work. And so I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about going into this senior position at a small, you know,
Speaker 1: a fast growing startup, and what does that look like
Speaker 1: if my daughter is only three And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: you have to ask a question. You said to me,
Speaker 1: you have to ask a question. I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do what I can't you know, wait after I've
Speaker 1: been there a couple of year, then I'll ask you, like,
Speaker 1: you have to ask the question. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stuck it up and ask the question.
Speaker 1: And so what happened? What always the old women? To
Speaker 1: all one of the founders, and he was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so glad you asked. Of course, whatever
Speaker 1: you need, you know, you should talk to Lan or cto.
Speaker 1: He's got kids and you know, whatever you need and
Speaker 1: whatever flexibility you need, of course will be supportive of
Speaker 1: all that. We love family, you know, we we all
Speaker 1: want kids. Like he was really so gracious about it,
Speaker 1: and he said all the right things, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god I asked, because I would have been so
Speaker 1: nervous going in and I think it would have taken
Speaker 1: me a really long time to build up the nerve
Speaker 1: to um to have that flexibility to ask for it.
Speaker 1: So things like that I think we're really important, Like
Speaker 1: ask for what you need before you go into something,
Speaker 1: and then if they say no, you have to go
Speaker 1: home and decide exactly. At least you haven't answered, You're
Speaker 1: not like wondering what the answer is. Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: usially could have been like nope, for her eight a m.
Speaker 1: Until ten pm. We expect you on seven and that's
Speaker 1: the deal. And then that's a different answer and that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay too, and that could be the expectation, but um,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been right for me. So what would
Speaker 1: you say to someone that's having issues in their career
Speaker 1: right now where they're stuck at at a job they're
Speaker 1: not happy with, or they're trying to get their business
Speaker 1: off the ground. What kind of encouragement and advice would
Speaker 1: you give people? So these are these are pretty unusual times,
Speaker 1: which I think makes my answer a little bit different
Speaker 1: because I do recognize that obviously, the security of a job,
Speaker 1: the challenges of the current job market, working from home,
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things make it really difficult to
Speaker 1: make a big job switch in this time or to
Speaker 1: launch a new idea. Um But that said, I think,
Speaker 1: if anything, or if nothing else, this past year has
Speaker 1: really taught us that life is super super short, and
Speaker 1: you really want to spend your time doing things that
Speaker 1: you love with people that you respect and that respect you.
Speaker 1: So I would encourage you to start thinking about what
Speaker 1: that really looks like for you and telling people and
Speaker 1: asking around and finding the right environment. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: what I've found is that it almost doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: you're working on if you're doing it with people that
Speaker 1: you really enjoy working with. And so I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest, biggest lesson that I've had just over the
Speaker 1: course of my career, and certainly the past years proven
Speaker 1: that time and time again. So I would stay focus
Speaker 1: on the people first. And I would also say make
Speaker 1: sure you have a posse totally, make sure you have
Speaker 1: people you could talk to you're not by yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's right. Like a tribe of people. I've
Speaker 1: heard friends referred to them for referred to their posse
Speaker 1: as like their board of advisors or personal board of advisors,
Speaker 1: And I think there is something to that of having
Speaker 1: people around you. I actually do this for my daughter
Speaker 1: um every year on her birthday, I gift her what
Speaker 1: we call a wise woman, and so it's somebody from
Speaker 1: our lives some time she knows them really well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there's somebody from my life that I think would be
Speaker 1: an incredible mentor and person for her to know and
Speaker 1: to be close to and just to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with in some way because of whatever she's into that year,
Speaker 1: or whatever she's really excited about, or just shortcomings that
Speaker 1: I find in myself, frankly, because I know that I
Speaker 1: can't be everything for her, and I know that there
Speaker 1: will be times that she does not want to come
Speaker 1: to me for advice, and so I want her to
Speaker 1: feel like she's got a lot of trusted women in
Speaker 1: particular around her that she has access to and that
Speaker 1: she has an independent relationship with from me. So I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of like creating that for her now
Speaker 1: at age eleven, um, so that she has that. But
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to figure out that
Speaker 1: I needed that for myself too, So I think it's
Speaker 1: because I was doing it for myself that I started
Speaker 1: doing it for her. That's a that's a very cool thing.
Speaker 1: So would you also tell everyone where they can get
Speaker 1: more of you, where they could find you? Sure? I'm
Speaker 1: on social at Julie Kumar or you can go to
Speaker 1: my website adeliumar dot com and my book is called
Speaker 1: Stocking God my unworth box. Search for something to believe in.
Speaker 1: Please support independent booksellers, so trying to find it there
Speaker 1: and otherwise. Amazon always has coffees I suspect And you
Speaker 1: can go into my I G t V on Just
Speaker 1: Bobby dot com and see a virtual makeup lesson I
Speaker 1: did before we launched Jones Road and uh got it
Speaker 1: got a lot of people saying that they wanted to
Speaker 1: do it. So I hope it's going well for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course. And you can find me on
Speaker 1: I G t V. I do a series called Teach
Speaker 1: Me Anything, and literally Friends of Mine Bobby was my
Speaker 1: first episode Teach Me Anything, so that you know, we
Speaker 1: do episodes very hap pastorally, but they're really fun. All right.
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