WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 061822 The January 6th Insurrection Through a Racial Lens (Part 1) 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.120 Welcome to another episode of Civic Zacher. I'm your host 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.120 ramses Jah all right today, and we'll forever go by 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:11.200 the name Q Wore. This indeed got an interesting show 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.680 for you to stick around for a lot of stuff 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:20.360 going on in the media about the January sixth insurrection 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:28.040 and the trial and the January sixth Committee and their 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.680 plan to prove Trump's culpability is responsibility for the attack 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:38.960 on our nation's capital, and as a result, it's appropriate 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.000 and timely for us to weigh in with our take 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.960 because you know, you may not get a sense of 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.680 black people really having a dog in that fight, but 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.840 I can assure you with great certainty that black and 0:00:53.880 --> 0:01:01.080 brown and indigenous, native and everyone does have a place 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.240 in that conversation. And so we will take some time 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.920 to talk about that. A little bit later in the show, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.560 we're going to talk about reparations. This has been something 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.880 that has been a long time coming on this show. 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.800 We kind of allude to it here and there, but 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.959 we're going to kind of peel back some layers and 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.480 really break that down because usually when folks get to 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.959 talking about reparations, the conversation kind of begins and ends 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:34.039 in the same session, and there's hardly ever any real progress, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.440 So we wanted to take a moment to just kind 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.720 of start that conversation, at least in this forum. In 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.880 our way black history fact. We just passed June twelfth, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.400 which is loving day, the day when interracial marriage finally 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.560 became legal in the US. So we're going to talk 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.640 about that because that is a way black history fact indeed. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:01.120 But first and foremost, we are going to talk about 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.960 some ebony excellence. How does that sound cute? I think 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.320 that sounds incredible? Shall we we shall? So? Do you 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.520 know what an egot is? 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.079 I have heard that term before in relation to another 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.080 one of our favorite people, mister Jamie FOXX. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.800 Yeah, E goot For those that don't know, it's spelled 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.120 sort of weird. I think it should be g O 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.920 t E, which you could say phonetically goat right, and 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.280 goat is a term that we use, you know, in 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.040 popular renacturi. But they've they've organized it in this way. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.560 Egot stands for Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony right, and very 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.560 few people who work in that space actually get all 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:45.280 of those accolades. Well, besides Woopy Goldberg, another black woman 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.120 has earned her Egot status. This is among the greatest 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.040 of the greats. She goes by the name of Jennifer Hudson. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.840 This comes from Rolling Stone. The respect Star joined the 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.600 elite Egot Club on Sunday Night after she was awarded 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.760 for her work as a producer on Michael R. Jackson's 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.280 Best Musical, winning a Strange Loop in the twenty twenty 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.639 two Oscar Awards and Egott is an artist again who 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.480 has won an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and a Tony Award 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.920 in their career, winning her Oscar for her role in 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.840 two thousand and six is dream Girls. Hudson's Grammy Award 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.080 came in two thousand and nine, winning Best R and 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.600 B Album for her album title titled Jennifer Hudson, and 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.920 following with an additional Grammy win in twenty seventeen for 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.640 her work on the musical theater album The Color Purple. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.600 In twenty twenty one, Hudson gained a Daytime Emmy Award 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:39.560 for Babba Yaga, which won Outstanding Interactive Media for a 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.720 Daytime Program, and with this Latey's Tony Award, completing her 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.960 Egot punch card. Jennifer Hudson is the seventeenth person in 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:50.440 history to achieve that designation and officially the third black 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.040 e Goot winner, the fifth woman to achieve the acclaimed 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:59.280 award status and briefly she rose to fame. This from 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.400 Maggie b. Knowing. She rose to fame in two thousand 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.360 and four as the finalist season three of the American 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.640 Idol TV show and made her film debut as Fie 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.040 White and the musical dream Girls in two thousand and six. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.480 She's an excellent reminder that no matter who you are, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.599 where you're from, if you have a dream determination and 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.480 you put your hard work in, you can achieve it. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.599 So some have any excellence to start things off? Now, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:34.640 have you been que paying attention to these committee hearings? 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.800 They feel like a trial? But got any of that? 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.039 I have? I've when it was live, I followed it 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:41.640 by the minute. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:47.880 I've never refreshed my feed more feverishly, yeah. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:47.240 Than that night. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.920 And I was not even aware that it was going 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.920 to be live. So another shout to Maggie be Knowing 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.640 for sending me that link and letting me know that 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.680 that was live so that I could pay attention, so 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.040 that I could tune in. And I mean as you 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:02.919 could imagine, you know, me, I spent a lot of 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:03.920 that evening upset. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.640 You know, it was information that I already knew. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.520 Seeing it with such color and such context really painted 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.000 the picture that we all knew was true. But a 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.040 certain sector of our population needed to see that way, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.840 and some of them, of course, still deny it. So 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.240 this is kind of what I wanted to make sure 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.839 that we talk about. This is why I mentioned earlier 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:33.479 in the show that you know, minorities are definitely a 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.280 part of this conversation. Now, for those that know, and 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.320 I'm sure everyone knows. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.680 There was a mob that breeched the Capitol, all Trump 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:54.760 supporters at his instruction for the most part, and the 0:05:54.800 --> 0:06:00.000 group was largely white folks. They're broken and committed all 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.880 all kinds of crazy acts. We'll get into the story 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.479 in just a second, but just a brief overview, and 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.560 I want to frame this for you. At that time 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.919 in the country, we were still sort of reeling from 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.560 what we had to come to terms with in terms 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.240 of race relations from twenty twenty. You know, all the 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:26.400 protests about George Floyd, about Breonna Taylor, about you know, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.920 there was a slew of shootings just in that year 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:35.480 police shootings killing unarmed black man. I remember Rishard Brooks, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.760 I think his name is in Atlanta, Georgia. That one 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.599 troubled me deeply because he was shot in the back 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.920 and that happened before we were able to start this show. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.560 But that was one of the things that kind of 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.080 kept me up at night because it was like the 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.160 fifth one and I don't know how many weeks and 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.280 I'm like, yo, you know this, like we knew it happened, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.560 but you know, now the country's seeing it happen and 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.479 nobody's doing anything anyway. All these protests were happening in 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:09.039 twenty twenty and and for those that know, or for 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.040 those that don't know, rather, I should say this show 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.960 that you're listening to right now was born out of 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:23.200 a lack of representation for our political interests, our being 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:31.000 black people, specifically political interests in the spaces in which 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.200 you are hearing our voice now. So this could be 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.560 a hip hop station, you know, And you got to 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.400 think about that for a second, because there's lots of 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.080 hip hop stations around this country that are they may 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.200 not be black owned spaces. The ownership of these hip 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.920 hop stations may not have thought about what it would 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.200 be like to have a moment in time where there's 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.000 not rappers and singers and dancers on the radio that Okay, 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.720 these are people with a culture and they need to 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.840 protect themselves from distant information and misinformation and empower themselves 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.120 amongst themselves using their own voices and so forth. And 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.119 because of that lack of representation, this show was born. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.280 And can I add, not just our political voice, but 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.240 there was a lack of empathy for our's general livelihood. Yeah, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.040 it wasn't just about politics just I mean the phrase 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.720 is black lives matter? Of course that is a controversial 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.520 statement in this country. Sure, there is a lack of 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:34.080 empathy for us existing and just having basic decency in 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.079 human rights and just being able to exist. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.920 So very much. You'll notice, if you're alive in this 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.040 country right now, that the all Lives Matter cry has 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.000 died down significantly. The Black Lives Matter cry has died down, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.240 of course, because you know, that moment of racial reckoning 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:59.480 has dissipated a bit, but it's still very prominent. BLM 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.440 is still in a news black lives matter is still 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.160 a phrase that you hear. But the all lives matter 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.200 response to it. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:09.600 Has decreased dramatically, right, And we said on this show 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.280 we knew before and will know forever more that it 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.319 was just in response to us affirming that our lives 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:17.960 are valuable and that we should not be shot in 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:18.600 the back. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:25.160 For doing what comes natural, you know, running away from 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.880 something you're afraid of or whatever, you know, these sorts 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:34.720 of things. Anyway, it was a long road for us 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.680 to get on as many radio stations. There was a 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.520 lot of people, you know, whoever, whatever radio station you're 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.280 listening to us on right now, there was a person 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.240 they're more than likely a white man that we had 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:50.160 to talk to. And this white man more often than not, said, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.000 I recognize that this program needs to be on these 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.080 airwaves because this is something missing from my radio station. Right, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.719 but belong And the short of it is that there 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:09.080 was a time in this country where the media was 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.680 grossly misrepresenting those protests that we took part in in 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.840 twenty twenty. Right, They were saying that we were rioting 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.040 when we were not rioting. They were saying that we 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:28.440 were setting up, you know, like bricks on corners and 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.240 all kinds of outlandish things. Right when we found later 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.240 that it was in fact the police and far right 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.440 movements and things like that trying to sabotage peaceful protests. Right, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.480 So this show was born out of the fact that 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.040 there was so much misrepresentation for we'll call it our 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:53.400 moment of racial reckoning in this country. And then when 0:10:53.440 --> 0:11:00.360 you see this insurrection and you recognize that that how 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:05.040 they were trying to paint us, it feels like we 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.079 need to say something about that here on this show 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.080 that has been since been created to talk about that. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.600 So I want you all to imagine for a second 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:22.360 that those that group of protesters were largely black. Imagine 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.959 how it would have looked. Imagine the police response, the 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.920 National Guard response, the military response. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.600 Well, we don't really have to imagine it. We saw 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:35.400 the military and police response to peaceful Black Lives Matter protests. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:40.480 The presence of police in riot gear and gross numbers, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.960 ready and willing to cause as much harm as possible 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.760 to people who came with no aggressive intentions at all. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.160 These people set out loud what they were going to 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.360 do the win and the war. There was no such response. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:03.560 Wat these peoples. Reason I don't want to discount that. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.800 So in this hypothetical experiment. I want you to imagine 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:12.160 that mostly black and brown people went to Washington, d C. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.400 For what it was we were protesting, which was to 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:21.679 affirm our lives, lives beating heart consciousness, pretty much a 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.880 full stop right. Not because our guide didn't win, you know, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.839 we're lied and told to that our guid didn't win whatever. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:35.960 Not because of that, but because we see systematically that 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.680 we're being murdered and that there is no accountability, even 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.040 the potential for accountability for those murders. And then the 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.640 deaths of our children and our brothers, our and our 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.360 community members feel so hollow, how frustrating, and how hurtful 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.400 that would be. So imagine in this hypothetical experiment that 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.160 mostly black and brown people go to Washington, d C. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.200 Right for reasons that I believe to be far more 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:06.520 valid and based in logic and human motivation. You know 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.960 what I mean. It's not because our team didn't win, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.440 but it's because we are literally dying. We're literally having 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.200 to witness it, We're having to feel the pain. It's 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.280 to share trauma that echoes through our community. There's less 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.320 of us than there are of the majority. By definition, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:29.440 we're a minority, yes, so we're there, and then you know, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.080 we decide that you know what they're they're in there, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:39.400 not voting on or finalizing the ballot account on an election. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.080 But let's say we're there because they don't want to 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:47.440 pass the uh, the John Lewis Policing Reform Actor or 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.920 whatever whatever whatever piece of legislation that would address our 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.520 issues again, life and death issues. Not you know, we're 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.200 going to be sad for four years, but no, we're 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.000 literally dying and there's no account ability for it, not 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.960 even the potential. And let's say we started the capitol, right, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.080 how many of us would be dead? You know most? Yeah? Yeah, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.559 dead did like dead bodies, body bags, right, there was 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.440 and in their minds, justifiably right, they shouldn't have reached 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:18.600 you know. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:18.960 What I mean. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.080 So I want to read now because I want to 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.320 turn the tables just a bit. Now, let's talk about 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.360 what actually happened. Okay. The headline reads the January sixth 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.920 Committee's planned to prove Trump's culpability. This comes by Axios. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.360 The January sixth Community Committee hearing on Thursday promised to 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.040 prove former President Trump was responsible for the capital attack. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.480 On January sixth, President Trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.520 and lit the flame. Vice chair Liz Cheney, the Republican 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.280 from Wyoming, set before laying out a seven point plan 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.680 for how the panel will publicly show Trump tried to 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.400 overturn the twenty twenty election and prevent the t transition 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:05.440 of power to President elect Biden. The last hearing, likely 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.600 to be the most explosive, is going to center on 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:12.200 Trump's specific actions as the violence was underway. Okay, now 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.960 there's another note here. It's in intentional that Cheney delivered 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:21.080 the most damning evidence against former President Trump. The committee 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.200 wants Americans to see not only a Republican, but the 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.880 daughter of a former Republican vice president, detailing Trump's involvement 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:35.240 and directly connecting him to the capital attack. All right, now, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:42.560 They showed lots of video, okay, of what was happening. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.120 They had a timeline of the events, right, of course, 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:50.000 they had direct testimony from Trump's main people who was 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.000 around at the time, the people we saw in the news, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.560 including his daughter, including his daughter, right, and his daughter 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:00.920 didn't say much, but she did say something that was noteworthy. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.680 She said that she trusted the president's I believe Attorney 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.280 General Bill Barr or something like that, or attorney some 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:15.239 sort of attorney. I paid just enough attention to these 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:21.480 people anyway, So she said that she had accepted what 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:30.080 he had said. And it later came out that Rudy Giuliani, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.560 which was the president's lawyer and again one of his 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:38.240 close advisers at the time, suggested that Trump, out of 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:43.480 the blue, despite everyone else recognizing and Fox News recognizing, Okay, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:51.520 this election has chosen Joe Biden, Rudy Giuliani said to 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.040 Donald Trump, just say that the election was rigged and 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.640 stolen from you. And Trump kind of leaned into that 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.040 plan and went ahead. And then, you know, as some 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:07.480 months had passed, and they kept kind of saying that 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.640 the election was rigged and stolen and if you have evidence, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.600 you know, blah blah blah. When January January sixth came about, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.560 he had kind of a massed this group in DC 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.600 to speak to them and then of course directed them 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.840 to the capitol where they were about to do the 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.120 final count of the state's votes, and the Vice president 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.639 at the time, Mike Pence, was supposed to certify that election. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.080 This is a process that happens for every presidential election. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.960 Mike Pence, of course, famously decided that he was sane 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:45.720 and competent and uh going to do the right then. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.760 You know, So I don't necessarily want to pat him 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.880 on the back, but I kind of do because that's 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.560 a lot of pressure. I kind of want to pat 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.880 him on the back, and we don't typically. Yeah, that's 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.159 my extra credit for doing what you're supposed to do. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:03.400 However, circumstance when you're the only person, yeah, Dennis, when 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:04.680 it's very very. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.520 Unpopular to do so, then I got to give you 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.359 credit for that. And there's a mob outside with a 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.960 what is that thing where to hang people like a noose? Yeah, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:19.440 So so anyway, this frames all that. Now, again, these 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:26.719 are problems that exist in a different reality from a 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.159 lot of black and brown people in this country. This 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.280 is a separate problem. We got that guy out of 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.880 the office. Maybe we got the guy we wanted. Maybe 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.080 we didn't get the guy we wanted, but we got 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:37.040 that guy out right. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.960 I don't know that there was a person that we 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.760 wanted to steal, sure at that point, sure, but it 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.480 was very clear what we did not want there. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.680 That's that's what I'm trying to say, so those were 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.200 our problems. This January sixth thing was a bit beyond 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.480 most people's like day to day, It wasn't really that 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.040 big of it as big of a deal as some 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.240 of the other things that we had endured COVID. You know, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.879 the election, of course, and the distresses that come with that, 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.440 of course, the murders of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.640 And all the protesting and so forth, and the affirming 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:14.399 of our lives in twenty twenty. So again, let's flip 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.119 this on its head. One of our talking points. This 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.840 is what Maggie wanted us to ponder on this show, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.960 and so we're asking you to do the same thing. 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.679 Would the proper teaching of American history have made a 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.440 difference in that moment? In other words, if people really 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:43.680 knew more about American history, racial history, right, Because we 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.679 understand on this program, Q and I both that Donald 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.320 Trump's election this is our reality. It might not be yours, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.520 but this is our reality. Donald Trump's election was the 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.800 result of racism, a racist backlash to Barack Obama. He 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.760 got out there, he started singing white people's greatest hits. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.080 The reason that your life is bad is because of 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.440 people in Mexico. The reason that your life is bad 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.520 is because of immigrants, and you know, people from these 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.480 s whole countries and blah blah blah. I don't think 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.960 there's lots of people he started singing racist white people's 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.960 greatest hit, racist white people's great not white people. Sure, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.199 that's because thank you for heart, we know is not 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.720 thank you for correcting me there. And we also recognized 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.960 there was a huge response to Donald Trump. It wasn't 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.159 enough to make it happen, but you know, he did 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.240 lose the popular vote. Donald Trump did, so we do 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.399 recognize that there were a lot of folks that you know, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:44.000 felt that way. 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.480 But we also can I speak to the question that 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.120 you asked, sure, please, would the proper teaching of American 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.720 history had made a difference the proper teaching of American 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.240 history maybe twenty years ago. Absolutely, Okay, at that point, 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.200 probably not. And here's why, once upon a time, left 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.040 and right still had to agree on what facts were. Yeah, 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.399 that world no longer exists, right, So, even if the 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.399 proper history had been taught, when you have a voice 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.960 that loud, that can just stand up and literally say 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:22.280 as a child, would fake news and have fifty million 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.920 people agree with them, then you question, are we beyond 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.280 saving at this picture? Is there a world that exists 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.119 where proper history could be taught and accepted as fact 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.600 and not just partisan. 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.760 Propaganda if you will. So that's exactly where I was going, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:45.959 because I think that that makes for a good defense 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.960 of critical race theory, or more properly American history, right, 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:55.440 because critical race theory, again is more of an academic discipline. 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.959 It's not meant for grade school children, and not everyone 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:00.879 gets to the point where they're able to be in 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:05.480 an environment where critical race theory is taught. Right, But 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.840 American history and the attack on American history in schools 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:16.040 has led to sort of where we are now, and 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.880 I think continues to erode at our capacity to understand 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.600 and relate to each other and understand our predicament, and 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.320 we're susceptible as a society to Charlatan's like the former president. 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.719 I'll continue. Another interesting point for you to ponder is 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.400 whether or not President Obama would have nearly as much 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.399 leniency if he was the person in office and the 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.000 BLM mob in our hypothetical scenario had breached the Capitol 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:50.280 and done all these atrocious things. Even if there the 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.240 purpose of them breaching the capital was well founded, like 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.199 we're here to affirm our lives and get some legislation passed. 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.200 Would Obama have as nearly as much leniency. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:05.520 Even if he had not been as directly responsible for 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:11.280 the outcome as former President Idiot was. He definitely would 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.800 have been held accountable for. They would have absolutely made 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.320 it his fault and he'd likely be in prison now. 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.520 So that brings me to the next point. The right 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.320 wing pundits are minimizing the trial. So these are people 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:25.199 that you know in your communities. These are people that 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.920 never switched the channel from Fox News. Right. Fox News 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.640 didn't even show the first day of the trial, which 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.560 laid out everything right, and you know, this was a 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.200 prime time trial, so most Americans could listen. The ratings were, 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.760 you know, somebody who makes big dollar ratings, The ratings 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.920 were through the roof. And then, of course, I want 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:50.040 you to ponder that all of Trump's loyalists sought pardons 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:55.640 preemptively for their roles in this right now, I want 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:57.680 to read this because this was kind of included as 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.040 well from our producer. So the NAAC highlights the big 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:05.080 lie that fueled the insurrection was never about stopping voter fraud. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:09.000 It was a coordinated effort to disenfranchise millions of black 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.920 voters by overturning the results of an election in which 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:17.000 black communities had a record turnout. The NAACP's warning, well, 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.520 the insurrection may not have been successful, the blow to 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:24.080 black voters political power was huge. Since the January sixth attack, 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.960 dozens of states have legitimized the far rights big Lie 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.000 by enacting over forty laws restricting black voters access to 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:37.480 the ballot box. Now, this is why we need to 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:45.160 be concerned about this specific political issue in the country 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:50.679 and for everyone that is listening to our voices right now. Again, 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.159 is very important that you pay attention and that you 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.879 ponder these things, and it may help illustrate how, in 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.160 fact we do live in two different Americas.